They're both masterpieces.

should i have played DeS before ds1?

>DeS thread
Oh i'm sure there's going to be some really "fun" webms showcasing what exactly is actually fun about this game and not just muh atmosphere talk that isn't fucking gameplay

>>713059805 (OP)
I playes both on release and preferred DS at the time. Having played more Fromsoft games and going back to them through the years I've come to appreciate DeS more, it has it's own ambiance and feels more unique in retrospect give that DeS is the design philosophy they carried forward into their later games.

>>713059891
Not really you’re fine playing it after but definitely play both.

Demons has a functional second half so that one. Dark also doesn't have Tower of Latria so still Demons either way.

>>713060219
>Demons has a functional second half so that one.
it's also twice as short though

>>713060219
>muh second half
Holy fuck shut up already. No one cares that you pissed your pants in Tomb of Giants.

>>713059970
the game predates the existence of webms, it's already been played to death by everyone

>>713060336
so the second half is perfect?

>>713059891
Not necessarily, but it is recommended to play the games in release order. Demon's Souls is slightly easier in most ways.

>>713059805 (OP)
Eldenring made them obsolete

>>713060373
No, everyone knows Demon Ruins / Lost Izalith is trash but that’s not half the fucking game now is it?

>>713059891
Demon's souls is better because it doesn't fall apart and turn to shit like dark souls does after anal rodeo

If demons souls had the same areas just mapped around to be an interconnect world (You) 'd be praising the shit out of interconnected worlds desu

>>713060634
Whats wrong with demons ruins?

>>713060516
did you play either one?
>>713060336
>>713060769
i personally hate the opening of the game

I love most fromsoft but demons souls felt like a prototype in a bad way. I dropped it 3 levels in with how much of a mess the tower of latrine was

>>713059805 (OP)
Both are shit actually

>>713060929
Too many Jews in there.

Dark Souls 1 is the only king of Fromsoft games. The rest of games before and after it look like lazy rehashes or tech demos. Lightning in a bottle since the elements that came together made more sense here.

>>713061275
Just like your parents.

>>713060929
too many dragon butts

>>713061058
Every chump has his retarded tier list ready to go. I put you in Faggot tier btw.

>>713061417
i made this for the sake of the post

>>713060634
2/3?

>>713059805 (OP)
Dark Souls 1 is one of the best games ever made.

>>713061058
why is ash lake so high and kiln so low? theyre both more atmospheric than actual levels, right? and Undead Parish AND Undead Burg all the way on the bottom?

>>713060342
Not only is this not true but very few people around now if at all played it when it was first released in the states or relevant in conversation. Its like claiming to be a fan of Led Zeppelin and you're a Gen Z troglodyte, you missed everything relevant and all the older fans won't even see you as one of them.

>>713061058
No point on playing a inferior game when you can replay beat game ever made

>>713061843
I wouldn't go tht fr especially when other RPG and action games mog it.

>>713062152
Like what?

>>713060410
>slightly easier
Demon's Souls is one of the easiest games i've ever played. It's literal baby tutorial tier.

>>713061991
because kiln is boring and lake is really beautiful to me
>and Undead Parish AND Undead Burg all the way on the bottom?
i hate how there's 50 billion enemies everywhere
maybe if you play zweihander you can just AOE the shit out of them but i really hated it and i thought it was because i was bad at the game since i only started out when i was at those locations but nope, i fucking loathe both of them
boring, annoying, ugly

>>713062273
Can tell someone wasn't alive in 2010 then lel

>>713062152
Literally nothing mogs Dark Souls.

>zero dark souls webms
so about the gameplay..

>>713061327
Lmaoooooo, DS1 wishes it was as good as Kingsfield 4

>>713059805 (OP)
Ninja Gaiden

>>713062064
So true I bought it on release and never played it LOL

>>713062205
DMC series
Skyrim
Oblivion
Fallout series
Witcher series
Biowre before Mass Effect 3
Nioh series
Lies of P
Cyberpunk 2077
BG3
E33
FF before XVII and Rebirth

>>713059805 (OP)
Dark Souls > Demon's Souls

At one point I preferred DeS but that was relatively early on in both games life cycles when DaS was still fairly new. This would have been pre-patch DaS which was quite a busted game. However after enough playing of both games its an easy choice for me with DaS being superior. Had they actually finished and polished DaS like they should have been allowed to it would be quite a huge powergap better than DeS.

>>713062414
Just watch a gameplay video?

>bro this "gameplay" is straight fire

>>713061058
Odd list, if you ask me. Not knocking you or anything, but Ash Lake going that high? The atmosphere might be nice, but the level itself is pretty rough. Repeating the Hydra, long stretch of nothing, and the loot found within I don't think has anything of value. The convenant is down there, I guess, but I don't think it should pop it up high on the list, same as Seigmeyer's questline. Undead Burg/Parish is quintessential dark souls, so that makes little sense to me. Even if you got gangbanged by a bunch of hollows, it's solid level design. The others I can see where you're coming form. Kinda.

Again, not hating or anything. I just find it interesting.

webm spammers are subhuman

>>713059891
DeS is a lot shorter than most realise. I assume that's because it was cobbled together with assets from a failed Oblivion clone and had a budget of 800Y. But they got a lot into that short game. FWIW I prefer DeS to DS, but that's probably because I played DeS first and the most. I think the levels in DeS are superior even to those in DS, especially Latria and Boletaria, the latter of which might be my favourite "level" in any game ever.

I like demons more by a lot as an entire game because theres no point where I feel like I'm just forcing myself to get to the end trudging through boring areas like what happens after I beat anor londo & painted world. The game really peaks there thematically, every other main boss & area other than seath & the archives is just... there. The sense of progression & excitement just fizzles out after that but everything up to that I'd put on par with demons. Speaking of, demons build up to king allant was so much better than gwyn especially when you finally fight him, hes silent, they didn't even give him an intro & hes a total push over, probably the worst final boss in any souls game.

>"you're there...as an adventurer. Trying to decide how best overcome a difficulty situation
Wow, so true! Unlike that DS3 and ER roll again and agin...and again and again shieet. because we wouldn't want the games to actually be FUN

Objective ranking
Nioh 2>Nioh>Lies of P>DaS1>>>>>>Demon's>Sekiro>ER>DaS2=DaS3=BB

You couldn't make des or ds1 look fun if you tried

>>713061058
>burg and parish not in Good tier
I bet you'd count Oolacile Township below Amazing tier if you had the balls to include the DLC.

>>713062308
skill issue

>>713062942
>cobbled together with assets from a failed Oblivion clone
it was a spiritual successor to Kings Field, and it was abandoned until Miyazaki picked it up cause he saw potential
which is why hes a fucking hack, a one trick pony. fuckers been doing the same shit since the very beginning and i just know duskbloods is gonna have the same exact nonsense

>>713062875
You forgot to put Oolacile Township up there with Painted World, famicom.

>>713061058
anyone who doesnt like blighttown is a confirmed shitter, its so fun

>>713062375
see>>713062659

>>713063252
youre right, it'd be up there with Ariamis. also I forgot the Chasm of the Abyss as well, that would be in the 'Bad' tier.

>>713059891
I played DS1 before Des and it only made me appreciate Des even more.

>>713059805 (OP)
Dark Souls only real big weakness is the backstab mechanic. If it worked more like how DaS2 works it would be a lot better. Actually I also like Bloodborne's charged power attack and BS mechanic as well. Any of these two would improve DaS1's BS.

>>713062875
darkroot basin is based
i like lakes
simple as
>The atmosphere
i'm just ranking them on how they make me feel when i think of them
ash lake just has a feeling of grandeur
it looks nice visually, the idea is really distinct, it's hidden, the theme is good, it's empty in a good way, it's like the end of world

i like the theme of a world inside a painting, i like the theme of winter freezing a land that was once not frozen (it feels that way idk if lore reflects that), probably reminds me of narnia

firelink shrine is like an oasis and it's really just odd and very vertical which i like and there's a nice view from it and the theme is nice

anor londo also feels very important, i like the concept of like an empty palace that was once lively and now it's empty with only people who guarded it still devoted to their job, i like it, probably inspired by something i cant recall

sen's fortress is just very well made and just a cool castle, new londo is also a cool concept, flood is cool because it has this mythological/biblical tinge to it, it's like a new capital but turned into a graveyard, cool

i guess i shouldve put undead asylum in "uninteresting" since it's just boring, nice concept but i don't like it

i guess blighttown is neat and actually it's _good_ that it's annoying and it's kind of the whole point and it achieves that well but i really loathe it which kind of was the point of it so i guess blighttown is the most dark souls 1 in dark souls 1, without it the game wouldnt be the same but i still hate it

>>713063125
it was good, i didnt include dlc beause i dont have storng feelings about the locations since i was kind of bored with the game by that point

>>713063583
oh yeah and new londo kind of feels like it implies it was flooded because of a plague or something, plague is cool

>>713062772
>>713062882
>>713062989
Man, the way they did the lighting in DS1 is so amazing. The game still looks great even today.

>>713059805 (OP)
I haven't gotten around to DeS yet (I will before the end of the year), but DS1 is by no means a masterpiece. Fanboys never bring up how abysmal almost the entire 2nd half of the game is post Lord Vessel.

>copy-pasted enemies spammed about
>looping level design turns into linear hallways on top of the previously mentioned spam
>2nd half contains almost every gimmick boss in the game as well

You dickworshipping fucksticks would attract more people to being fans of the game if you just recognized its rather blatant flaws instead of pretending it's perfect. I've replayed DS2, 3, Sekiro, BB, and ER multiple times, and I assume I'll do the same when I get around to DeS, but every single I time I get to Lost Izalith & Tomb of the Giants I drop DS1 right there and consider my play through finished. It's so blatantly rushed and you nostalgiafags never admit it or talk about it.

>>713059919
Omni-directional rolling has been a godsend for these games.

>>713063583
Yeah, the feeling is something I don't get a lot nowadays. I don't know if I'm just jaded or it's because I dislike the games nowadays. I see where you're coming from, though.
>implies it was flooded
It was, yeah. the Red-dressed guy says him and his two butt buddies had to flood it to contain the darkwraiths. cool area, would be higher if it wasn't for the ghost ganks and shit parkour

>>713064240
i hit the red guy by accident and he didnt deaggro so i didnt know what he said
>I don't know if I'm just jaded or it's because I dislike the games nowadays
same for me but dark souls was a really different game to me and many people i imagine
like i don't enjoy watching anime or playing video games so much anymore but every once in a while i watch something that makes me feel like when i used to appreciate both of those

>>713061058
Anyone that would put Burg, Asylum and Parish that low is clearly baiting so I will not even entertain your bullshit any further. Anyone who played these games clearly knows they are among the strongest areas in the game and wisely so since they are the starting areas. You want your game to start off strong and give a good impression which these locations most certainly do. You are quite literally shitting on the shortcut back to Firelink shrine. The thing that gets so much praise to this day is how the shortcut loops you back to that location yet here you are fishing for (you)'s like a total faggot.

>>713061843
The ultimate game of all time actually anon

>>713064545
i literally run through the bridge where the dragon was and i didnt even know you were supposed to die from the fire i didnt even know there was a dragon since i wasnt looking up
the only thing i remember is the fucking annoying inside of the parish and that part where there's like literally 50 enemies that aggro you from the other side of the map and firebomb you
i played without bombs, bows and usables so it was fucking obnoxious to fight 5 enemies and get sniped by bombs from the other side of the map
i didnt even notice the lift to firelink

>>713060336
>Tomb of Giants
nta but Tomb of Giants is the smallest problem
>Lost Izalith
Yeah, that is the reason I never replay DS1.

I don't think the game is perfect but I don't think Lost Izalith for example is some completelly bad thing on the whole. But I also don't replay games. For me, I played Dark Souls more than 10 years ago. Near when it was still being hyped on /v/. And today I still remember Lost Izalith fondly, specifically its architecture, ambience, and general feeling. I don't remember the gameplay of that area. And that might be a bad sign, but at the same time, I remember the other parts of the area, which means there is still some value in what they presented, and it's not completely some shitty part of the game.

>>713062659
>>713063290
Bait used to be better. You should be ashamed of yourself.

>>713063495
>Des
You retards need to stop with that. DS is Demon's Souls, DS1 is Dark Souls.

>>713059805 (OP)
>two of the most important games ever
>one got a dogshit remake and one got a dogshit remaster

>>713063935
The shimmer on metallic armor/weapons and heavy bloom/contrast in the right places really makes the game look special.

>>713066223
shut up autist I'll even say Demon's if I have to

>>713064860
Lost Izalith takes like a whole of 10 minutes to go through, including BoC. Yes it sucks, but it's not enough of a time investment to quit a run over. You're being dramatic.

>>713065923
>But I also don't replay games
Based.

>>713066227
Both the remake and remaster are completely fine if you consider who the audience is. Those things are not for people that already played the game.

>>713065923
Lost Izalith should definitely have been better. The architecture does in fact look interesting visually. They should have used a lot more of that with the trees going all through the buildings and worked this into the level design with a lot less forcing the player to run through large lakes of lava and having to fight Dragon asses. The location certainly had the potential to be one of the most memorable for good reasons but as it stands they clearly had to think of something to rush the game out the door in a timely manner. This is why it is rightfully the most infamous area in the whole game besides maybe Blight town and that is only due to the fps drops.

>>713065923
I agree, I think some value in Lost Izalith, even if it’s kind of a drag and seems maybe a bit unfinished.

I think the idea of going into Lost Izalith is really cool at least, basically descending into the core of hell and fighting the origin of chaos. It could’ve used more solid architecture like just before BoC and less lava and it could’ve been great

>>713059805 (OP)
They're both shit.

>>713066315
FROM has such a great understanding of aesthetics. They are wizards of knowing how to make their games look fucking marvelous. DaS1 and Bloodborne are absolute masterpieces of grafix efficiency.

>>713062064
Who gives a fuck if you didn't experience something when it first came out? What do you want the zoomer to do? Travel back in time to experience led zeppelin the right way?

>>713067573
Delusional contrarianism.

>>713067683
I want them to not experience it at all. It's not for them. They don't deserve it.

>>713067578
Only in DaS1's case. BB looked incredibly ugly. No good aesthetics were found in DS2-3 either.

>>713067986
If a zoomer goes out of their way to experience an old game (to them), I mean give it a real and earnest shot, why wouldn't they deserve it?

>>713059805 (OP)
BB > DeS > DS2 > DS3 > DS1 > ER > Sekiro

>>713070630
weirdest take i've ever seen
gonna elaborate?

anons, should i buy dark souls remastered on steam or just pirate ptde?

DS1 where you take the elevator back to firelink and your brain just starts putting it all together, iots a magical one in a life time moment, just like pic related, you will forever be trying to relive that moment, but you'll never get it again

>>713070937
always pirate

>>713060336
for real how is this redditor faggot opinion regurgitated so often, the only shit area in the second half is lost izalith and even then its still kind of cool besides fighting BoC

>>713059805 (OP)
What debate? Most people haven't played Demon's Souls 1 and thus cannot form a proper opinion on it. I'm 28 and luckily grew up with Sony from PS1 to PS4 (Switched to PC in the PS4 Generation though), so I was able to play Demon's Souls before Dark Souls 1 came out in it's prime, but quite a lot of both PS and Xbox gamers were playing Call of Duty, Halo, and all kinds of other shit, and when Dark Souls 1 finally came it was babbies first souls game across both platforms, and frankly Dark Souls 1 was an unfinished piece of shit compared to Demon's Souls 1 even though it was harder and had...an iconic vibe to it.

So that's not to say Dark Souls 1 is bad, it's just bad compared to Demon's Souls 1, and before I get called an Ultra Old = Good Contrarian even beating out DS1 Troons to the depths of old = good, keep in mind, while I do think and can probably even objectively prove that Demon's Souls 1 is better than Dark Souls 1, Dark Souls, 2, 3, Bloodborne, and Elden Ring are all better than both Dark Souls 1 and Demon's Souls, so I fully rebuke all contrarian trannies.

>>713070937
buy to get invaded by dark orb twinks