>>713095495 (OP)
>only 3.5 million install base at the moment
>overpriced third party ports of existing games
>many are digital only
>console isn't even a fortnight old

I mean, what were their expectations?

>rererelease a game
>wtf why is nobody buying
A mystery for the ages.

>>713095495 (OP)
>Turd parties sell key cards
>Surprised Pikachu face when they don't sell
Nigger

>Paying $50 for Yakuza 0 Retcon Cut
>No upgrade available if you already have Sonic on the Switch
They deserve it.

>>713095495 (OP)
The Jewiest one pictured there is the Sonic game. Instead of a cheaper upgrade patch to the Switch 1 version they are selling you the whole game over again (a game which I will remind you is 50% comprised of a game from fucking 2011) for an up charge.

The movies have made Sonic Team cocky.

>>713095495 (OP)
Nobody wants game key card trash
People who want physical only want the real deal
People who want digital love the convenience
Key cards are an abomination that have none of the upsides (except resale) and all of the downsides

>>713095495 (OP)
Have the full game on the cart or fuck off, stop crying when YOU were the one that cheaped out and made the most unappealing version of physical media possible, if you can even call it that at this point. All these games are gonna be landfill the second Switch 2 servers get shut off, and no one wants them.

>>713095495 (OP)
>cyberpunk has the full game on cart
>other 3rd party games are keycards
hmm I wonder why one is selling well...

Why the fuck would I buy your game when it's not even an actual game, just physical DRM for a download?

Nintendo consoles are just for Zelda and Metroid and Mario and Animal Crossing and Fire Emblem type stuff. Nobody gives a fuck about 3rd party games on Nintendo hardware as they are just worse versions of the playstation and xbox versions.

>>713096076
Key cards have a value for indie games but they are selling deluxe editions of games with key cards. If you are going to pay $100 dollars for that crap at least put the entire game what the fuck. It's no surprise that nobody is buying.

>buying games you already played
are you retarded OP?
>but muh special edition with 3 extra
no worth it for anyone with common sense

>"what are you, poor?" - bankrupt tendie after buying a switch 2 + mario kart

well it's old games that people most likely already played and most people buy nintendo to play nintendo games

>>713095906
Konami is doing that as well
Suikuden HD on the S2 is a game key and there's no upgrade path.

Like this is one time they could've copied sony as crossgen versions of PS4 games grants you a license to download the PS5 version of the game as long as you have the disc in.

>>713096409
The tendies are the ones smart enough to not buy goy cards snoy negro.

>meanwhile cyberpunk is doing well because they put their game on the cart

Gee I wonder why

>>713096517
Each third party are doing their own thing. No man sky I think was a free upgrade. Fantasy life is like 3 dollars upgrade or something cheap like that and Sega is going full retard for you to pay for the same game again

>port 2-10 year old games
>run at ps4 levels
>they don't sell
puzzling

>tendies will buy up anything with nintendo's logo on it
>ermmm actually they don't buy games
vegans are so mindbroken they can't even maintain a consistent shitpost narrative

>>713096824
>run at ps4 levels
you can leave this part out. that doesn't bother most general buyers.

>>713096538
But....... tendies were the only ones defending that cancer in the first place stating how much better it was than steam since you could resell the games?

>>713095495 (OP)
It’s all fucking ports, what the hell is there to get excited about?

>>713095495 (OP)
We are reaching a boiling point where third party companies can’t sell copies of games on consoles. PC is another issue because steam has too many games and has a visibility issue. I wouldn’t be surprised if third parties end up making subscription services for their own games, since Japan copies the USA 10 years late for everything.

>>713097080
Maybe in your head.

we should never take their opinions seriously again when the only games they have consumed are bing bing wahoo and increasingly worse pokeslop. It's no wonde they are easily impressed when nintendo implements features other series have done for decades

>>713096206
Cyberpunk makes use of mouse mode, it'd probably sell even on a key card because it's the only game other than Civ 7 making good use of a new feature and Civ 7 is REALLY bad and the rooty tooty point and shooty game is an easier sell than a game like Civ anyway.

>>713096517
What the fuck would a game like Suikoden HD need to upgrade? Can't you just buy the switch 1 version? I refuse to believe there's ANTHING worth upgrade to considering it's a ps1 game in HD.

>>713095495 (OP)
good. fuck game key cards.

>>713095643
hey, if you haven't played it then it's new to you.

Makes sense. What are you going to spend your money on when buying a Nintendi console? First party games you bought the console for? Or a over priced third party game you can just get on PC for 1/4 of the price during the next sale?

>>713095495 (OP)
Why the fuck would pay full price for an inferior version of a game that came out years ago? You only buy the underpowered tablet to play nintendo first party games.

>>713097348
While I completely agree, the asking price is ridiculous. I believe CP is mostly a novelty thing, like other impossible ports on switch 1 (which this one is surprisingly playable compared to those), but come on man who's paying full price for those other games? That's like asking 60 dollars for hollow knight.

>>713097237
It's more like in the sense of what you can expect from the publisher in the future, like an eventual Metal Gear Solid Master Collection port where you have to pay 50 again to unlock 60 fps

>>713097103
No one wants their games.

I was shocked at how the kids didn't even want to try Street Fighter or Survival Kids: They were having too much fun playing Mario Kart.

Third parties simply aren't bringing their A game to the console.

>>713097513
Yakuza 0 goes on sale for $4 regularly, the $50 price tag is actually insane even if you ignore the new content actively making the game worse.

>>713097816
There's probably a little bit of everything. Some games probably only need a single line of code to get upgraded, while others have probably been so trimmed down for Switch 1 that don't even have the original assets in it. Like, Switch 1 Doom Eternal at 1080p/60 would still not look like actual Doom Eternal, so at that point you're probably making the game again, essentially making it a port. I want to give Sega the benefit of the doubt and say that's what happened. Suikoden HD? lmao

>>713095495 (OP)
Were they fucking expecting everyone to buy 30 different games on launch? This is why your launch lineup can’t be TOO big because then some games just won’t get bought.

Nintendo has godlike games.

If you don't have a godlike game don't even bother publishing your garbage on the switch 2

>overpriced console
>overpriced old games
>dude why aren't they selling lmao

>>713095495 (OP)
third party lineup is pretty shit and most are on key cards.
wtf were you expecting

I bet 99% of the people who bought the switch are going to play exclusively Mario Kart until the next big tendie game shows up.

Yeah why would I play these 3rd party titles that I already have better versions of on PS5? My Switch 2 is used for Nintendo titles (which are the best games overall objectively speaking). My PS5 is for hype indulgence and disappointment.

>>713098446
this. I had a Switch 1 and the only games I ever bought in the entire life of the machine were Zelda botw, Zelda totk, Metroid dread, Mario odyssey, Mario Kart, Smash ultimate and animal crossing. I never bought a single 3rd party game.

If this continues it could unironically spell a death knell for third party support on Switch 2.

The same thing happened on Wii U, lots of enthusiastic third party support early on but then when they didn't sell developers jumped ship. By the end in 2017 it was pretty much steered entirely by first party and months could go by without any notable releases.

>>713098446
I'm replaying TOTK in its best form and having an even better time the second time.

>>713095495 (OP)
>shit farter 6

>people don't want to play 7 yo games in 365p and 36fps

>>713095495 (OP)
Switch 2 launch
>06./00. [NS2] Rune Factory: Guardians of Azuma - Nintendo Switch 2 Edition <SLG> (Marvelous) {2025.06.05} (¥7.980) - 10.877 / NEW
>09./00. [NS2] Yakuza 0: Director's Cut <ADV> (Sega) {2025.06.05} (¥5.400) - 7.486 / NEW
>15./00. [NS2] Street Fighter 6: Years 1-2 Fighters Edition <FTG> (Capcom) {2025.06.05} (¥7.990) - 5.350 / NEW
>16./00. [NS2] Bravely Default: Flying Fairy HD Remaster <RPG> (Square Enix) {2025.06.05} (¥4.500) - 4.963 / NEW
>17./00. [NS2] Cyberpunk 2077: Ultimate Edition <Cyberpunk 2077 \ Cyberpunk 2077: Phantom Liberty> <RPG> (Spike Chunsoft) {2025.06.05} (¥8.480) - 4.070 / NEW
>18./00. [NS2] Shine Post: Be Your Idol! <SLG> (Konami) {2025.06.05} (¥8.000) - 3.727 / NEW
>20./00. [NS2] Puyo Puyo Tetris 2S <PZL> (Sega) {2025.06.05} (¥4.990) - 3.485 / NEW
Total: 39.968

PS5 launch
>19./00. [PS5] Call of Duty: Black Ops - Cold War <ACT> (Sony Interactive Entertainment) {2020.11.13} (¥8.800) - 6.045 / NEW
>21./00. [PS5] Godfall # <RPG> (Playism) {2020.11.12} (¥7.900) - 5.342 / NEW
>25./00. [PS5] Assassin's Creed: Valhalla # <ACT> (Ubisoft) {2020.11.12} (¥8.400) - 4.227 / NEW
Total: 15.614

>>713098624
but look at the good art cover!
its the only good thing in that shit game
fucking crapcum false advertisement

>>713098595
This. These third parties must've been expected guaranteed good sales since Switch 1 sold so well and games tended to sell better on it no matter what it was. This was a rude awakening for them

>>713095495 (OP)
Most people own a Switch / Switch 2 and one other console. These games are typically on the other one as well.

Why would you buy the shitty gimped version of a multiplat game?

>>713098824
How many art styles does that clusterfuck game has? Even if half the artwork look decent, the grotesque and realistic look of the ingame models makes me want to vomit.

>port a game to a new console, something most likely didn't cost them shit because they are multiplatform games
>IT ISN'T SELLING ENOUGH
they'll make a profit even by selling a single game

>>713098812
Disingenuous comparison, nobody could fucking buy a PS5 when it first launched, it was essentially impossible to buy one for months.

Whereas Nintendo has spent the better part of a year stockpiling units to cuck scalpers, hence the big launch numbers because everyone who wanted one has been able to get one.

>>713095495 (OP)
Why would i buy games for a console i don't have?

the ps6 and nextbox will probably be out in 2027 so switch 2 3rd party games at that point are going to be be non existent

>>713098812
The games are individually selling for about the same amount other than Rune Factory. Maybe people are content with playing upgrade patches instead of buying games but the Switch 2 sold a lot more than the PS5 did at launch so those Switch 2 game sales are probably an even smaller % of the install base overall. Nearly 1 million consoles sold and the best 3rd party game sold 10k. That's really bad.

>>713095495 (OP)
People only bought 3rd party cause it was physical media they could keep for the future now it's just digital better stores exist.

>>713098812
>See Switch 2 3rd party is flopping just like the PS5 in Japan
this is not a good look tendie

>>713099010
If more power is a selling point of switch 2 then why is it still playing those games gimped?

>>713099252
because they aren't exclusives? do you have a brain?

We're in the Nintendo greed cycle again where they make poor decisions and fail
A few million consoles sold is nothing if people will actively check which game cart has a key or not
And we know most devs are also greedy as fuck and will opt for keys
Software sales (which drive a console) will be bad
People will sell their overpriced tablet
The only good thing that comes out of this is that Nintendo will be forced to make good games again

>>713099318
Why would I buy a new console only for exclusive games

>>713099391
why wouldn't you?
thats the only reason to buy a fucking console
which fucking retard would buy a switch 2 to play shit fighter 6 when you can play it on any system you already own

>>713099318
PCbeggars don't know what exclusives are because they haven't had a game in decades

>>713099391
Isn't that the only reason to buy a console?

just gonna ask here
is the switch 2 worth it just for performance upgrades on switch 1 games (not the paid ones, mind you) and future indie game releases?
I refuse to pay $80 for a new game or $20 for essentially an overclocking/phone app DLC but I know I'm likely to buy one somewhere down the line anyway for bigger releases that will actually go on sale instead of being $70 forever like first party titles, so I'm just wondering if the performance boost that every game allegedly gets is a good enough trade off until then

>>713099516
i'm a pc player
i just borrow consoles because no one is worth buying anymore for 1 or 2 exclusives. specially when they lie about being exclusive and they get release for something else

>>713095495 (OP)
only exclusives are worth playing
the other games don't matter

>>713095495 (OP)
>Sonic shadow is on other platforms, anyone who wanted it got it
>Y0 already own on PC, where it looks and plays better. Also on gay pass
>SF 6 anyone who plays this with any sincerity uses a fight stick and has PS or PC

>>713099391
>do i buy a switch 2 for whatever price and street fighter for 80€
>or use my shitbox whatever name is the current one, or my ps5 . or my pc . and pay 27€ for it?
you sound really smart

>>713095495 (OP)
Isn't it obvious? The Weekly Famitsu's thread is now in its third iteration just today.
Of course they don't play games, they prefer to waste time jerking off to numbers.

>>713095495 (OP)
>no games = no sales
Simple as

>>713095764
The average nintendo buyer is a 60iq mouthbreather who doesn't know the difference between a real physical game and a game key card. For them it's just a big day 1 patch to play the game.

>>713097230
There's so many fucking amazing mouse and keyboard games that would SHINE on the Switch 2, I can't fucking wait
>Ixion
>Forstpunk
>Halo Wars 1 & 2
>Fuck it, all of fucking Halo games
>Fallout for fuck sake
>Minecraft???
Post mouse and keyboard games you want to play on the TV, I have very a very retarded and sloppy taste

>>713095495 (OP)
No one wants key card dogshit. If its not a real physical copy I'm not buying, simple as.

>>713095495 (OP)
I told you bros! Switch 2 will end up as WII U. The third parties will see that no one wants their digital key slop and they will leave Nintendo Switch 2 just like they did for Wii U.

>>713095495 (OP)
The majority of Switch players don't want game key cards.

Third party devs better wake up to that fact.

>>713100297
its not like they will release exclusives so good riddance

>>713100010
What the fuck are you even talking about you schizophrenic retard? That has nothing to do with what I said.

>>713100493
Because the person you're replying to is a 20iq mouthbreather who can't read.

>>713095495 (OP)
I bought a Switch 2 but I don't care about buying any of the big third party ports because I played all the ones I cared about years ago.

>>713095495 (OP)
>all those based games failed while cp2077 did well
snitch players truly are a buncha of FAGGOTS

>>713100763
Because Cyber Punk was complete on cartridge.

>Y0
>almost 10 years old, runs in any toaster and costs 5$
crazy stuff

Sales might pickup over time for those games. Most people don't have the money for the entire console and a bunch of other games. Most are happy with Switch 2 & Mario Kart for a few months at least.

>>713100493
It has everything to do with what you said. Key cards are not the reason games aren't selling.

>>713100763
>Only game on the cartridge sells well
A real fucking mystery!

>>713099872
You mean the thread that wouldn't have to be remade multiple times if it wasn't for the efforts of one deranged schizo who's upset that nintendo titles happen to be topping the charts?

>>713096248
How do you usually buy games? Do you buy games on Steam? That you can't buy and sell and trade?

>>713101090
Your made up things in your schizo head has nothing to do with what I said you brown retard.

>>713095495 (OP)
That's probably SEGA, because Switch 2 Sonic X Shadow was a full price game and not an upgrade pack, and Puyo Tetris 2 S was being sold as an entirely new game and you couldn't even carry over your save.

That's what they get for being scumbags.

>>713101194
>made up things
Lmao @ the illiterate retard. The numbers are in this very thread.

>>713101090
explain >>713101103 then instead of "it failed because i want it to fail!"

lol get rekt you subhuman bluesky key card shill trannies

>>713101230
I bet you that if you did the upgrade path, then Nintendo takes a cut. They decided they wanted to benefit from a full priced game on top of denying Nintendo any extra money, screwing over everyone in the process.

>>713095906
Sonic x Shadow not showing up on the Switch 2 charts on the eshop at all is very telling. That means it was outsold digitally by both full price BOTW and TOTK. Switch 2 Upgrade Packs show up on the charts as well, so if Sonic had an upgrade pack it wouldn't be denied an appearance on the charts.

>>713101179
I reiterate, why the fuck would I buy your game when it's not even an actual game, just physical DRM for a download?

>>713101289
Are the numbers in the room with us? Are they talking with you?

>>713101324
see >>713098812

>>713101421
Another non-Nintendo game that did an upgrade pack is Fantasy Life i, and their upgrade pack is just $2. I wonder if the reason it's not just free might be because, like you said, of Nintendo taking a cut.

>>713096308
>indie games
>CAPCOM
>SEGA
>SQUARE ENIX
Meds
Tranny
Take
Em

>>713100386
Here are the options for third parties
>release on a more expensive cartridge and lose money on every physical switch 2 sale that could have been sold digitally or on another platform for more profit
>use game key cards
>do digital only releases
>abandon the system entirely
They will never sell at a loss compared to every other ecosystem, shareholders would have a melty. Game Key Carts and Digital only releases might result in no sales anyway so they legitimately might ditch the Switch if the current trends continue and they can't move games on it and it takes too much effort to port games to it.

>>713097230
Cope hader tranny

>>713101541
I still wonder how the upgrade for FLi is on S2.
I haven't seen much outside of the official post, which doesn't look like much of an upgrade outside of resolution.

>>713101576
Illiteracy really is a problem in this board

>>713101694
Name the indie games you subhuman

>>713101448
So you don't buy ANY digital only games off of ANY platforms online store?

>>713096824
The Switch 2 is ps4 level, delusional fan boy.

>>713095495 (OP)
>years old games are not selling like they are new
What shocker.!

>>713101643
and why do you care? why are seething? just put the game on card, shill

>>713101643
Then they should fuck off.
Put the game on a cart or eat my taint.

>>713095495 (OP)
But I have all three of those games on PC...

>>713101897
BASED
A
S
E
D

>>713101810
I'm telling you why it realistically won't happen. The entire Switch 2 ecosystem is weird as fuck right now, they're charging $10 for the Switch 2 Raidou upgrade while it's free on Playstation and Xbox if you buy the PS4 or Xbox One versions for your PS5/XSX.

>>713100010
Obviously not, retard.

>>713095495 (OP)
They blew all their monthly allowance on bing bing wahoo

>>713101958
WHY DO YOU CARE? I don‘t card just put the game on card or fuck off

>>713101736
I was saying that indie games could use key cards but companies have no reason to sell them in deluxe editions for example. Disgaea is selling a deluxe edition and is a key card.

>>713102129
Disgaea is not an indie game you subuman moron

>>713102186
I never said it was you fuckin retard

>>713101084
It'll pick up when these games are 5-20 bucks like on other storefronts. It's 20 bucks for Yakuza 0 on Steam and 50 fucking dollars for the Director's Cut, which isn't even a meaningful upgrade. Not to mention the article is counting UNITS and not even revenue so even if these late ports sold half as well, they made the same amount of money for third-parties. Just another nothingburger article from Chris Dring. These articles don't matter anyway, it'll be forgotten in 3 days like every other article that gets posted.

>>713102265
>Name the indie games you subhuman
>Disgaea is selling a deluxe edition
Just kys already tranny

>>713102045
I'm letting you know how bad things really are. Physical is already dead.

I want to say that it's 'because' of the game key card bullshit, but nah. Tendies only buy Nintendo games and indies.

>>713101975
lol I didn't consider that. Mario Kart World so expensive that people can't buy anything else even if they wanted to

>>713102365
Why should I name an indie game if I was just talking about all of them and not being specific? Mother fucker you have serious problems.

>>713102374
You‘re not telling me anything, tranny. Take your meds and go shill your propaganda back on bluesky you subhuman waste

>>713102507
Because there are no indie games on Switch2 that use game key cards you subuman tranny

>>713102606
Oh sorry I didn't know that I didn't look in all physical releases to see if they were indie games. You fucking dense mother fucker!

>>713095495 (OP)
>people aren't buying Key Cards
Good, fuck these companies, if Cyberpunk can be on cart then every game smaller than it can be to.

>>713102521
>give anon facts
>he has a meltdown
Sad.

>>713102742
>Key cards have a value for indie games
So why are you lying? Just stfu and take your meds! Game key cards are for greedy comapines like Capcom, Sega and Square just to make more profit and nothing else

>>713095495 (OP)
Nobody will read this because this wasn't posted within the first two posts, but I'll post it anyway.
https://www.thegamebusiness.com/p/it-was-the-biggest-console-launch
Anyway, yes, it's because too many of them are both ports of old games and the physical versions require the faggy download. It wasn't popular on Switch 1 and it won't be popular on Switch 2. Cyberpunk did well because the full game is on the card.

>>713102929
>facts
>made up bluesky tranny lies
>no source
>just eat it up goym
Take your meds you subhuman tranny

>>713102947
Lying about what you fucking stupid nigger? I just said that key cards only make sense for indies. Everything else is you have a turbo autism episode.

>>713103103
He's just defending Nintendo like a good goy, ignore him.

>>713096262
The switch was a great indie machine since those usually run without any or with hardly any compromises, hell, I even bought more indie games than nintendo games, and since graphics kinda plateaud with the PS4 the switch 2 COULD have been a good third party machine, if not for this bullshit.

>>713096308
I'm trying to make an indie game and no way in hell I'm going for a key card, I actually have respect for my product

>>713103168
There was a thread that died earlier today where two people were talking about how death stranding 2 and GTA 6 can be ported to the Switch 2 and they were 100% serious.

>>713102129
Putting regular carts in collectors/deluxe editions would be extra scummy. Like this but even worse because you're then forced to pay a premium for all the extra garbage they include.

>>713095906
Yakuza 0 is pretty jewy as well, that game has been $5 or $10 on PC/PS4/Xbox for ages but a few new cutscenes and a multiplayer mode makes it worth $50 all of a sudden.

>>713095614
that people would buy games like they did on the Wii

>>713101643
The report in the op is just about physical game sales.

>>713101643
Then they don't have to get my money. I enjoy pirating, and I enjoy buying physical. Often, I will buy physical copies of games that I pirated and enjoyed. If they refuse to put a game on a real, non-key cart, I will simply steal the game on a different platform and play it for free.

>They will never sell at a loss compared to every other ecosystem, shareholders would have a melty.

Shareholders will also have a melty if a company they are invested in purposely ignore a fuckhuge segment of the gaming population, especially targeted to YOUNGER CONSUMERS who will grow into demographics who will eventually consooom. Can you really imagine any company trying to explain "sorry we didn't actually put out any of our games onto the fastest selling platform with the most children and secure brand recognition and lifetime goodwill because we would make slightly less money".

So if they won't abandon the platform, and if your supposed scenario happens and they aren't going to sell tons of keycards, you probably will see companies pressuring nintendo to make a 32 gig card to go with the 16 and 64 gig cards, and then everyone wins.

>>713095495 (OP)
This is why Sony was not scared of Nintendo. Tendies only buy first party.

>>713103745
The difference with the Wii is that it was also offering a new way to play video games at the time. So of course you'd want to see how certain games would play on it even if the visuals are last gen. Switch 2 is literally the exact same thing as the Switch 1 but better graphics and a bit bigger. If you want to play 3rd party games at their best, your going to play them on PlayStation, Xbox or your PC.

>>713101692
I have it, it's nothing tremendous, it just looks and loads a bit better. (the Switch 1 version probably loads faster on Switch 2 as well) It's worth 2$ if you're still playing the game.

>>713095495 (OP)
Nintendo Switch 2 has games..................I think

>>713095495 (OP)
Moral of the story: If you want to dump some quick ass ports and expect high returns like in the Switch 1 gen, then return your devkits. Nintendo Switch owners seem to have graduated from the lazy "For Nintendo Switch" full-priced ports

>>713095495 (OP)
I don't buy games I already have muchless "physical" copies from cheap ass publishers. Maybe if we got some new games that are on cart then yeah I could bite, but I don't recall many 3rd party devs that aren't indie that are giving the Switch 2 new games any time soon.

>>713104331
>Shareholders will also have a melty if a company they are invested in purposely ignore a fuckhuge segment of the gaming population
The install base isn't large enough to justify that yet however and that happened with the Switch 1 because the ports took too much effort so you had companies leaving 150~ million potential customers on the table because it wasn't feasible to spend all that money on what might amount to 1 million sales if they're extremely lucky.

> you probably will see companies pressuring nintendo to make a 32 gig card to go with the 16 and 64 gig cards, and then everyone wins.
That's the best case outcome for sure but Macronix, the company Nintendo was partnering with to make cartridges, is already moving away from NAND cards so it seems unlikely.
https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20250213PD231/3d-inventory-macronix-international-rom-2026.html

Don't worry, Switch Bros.

>>713097080
>But....... tendies were the only ones defending that cancer in the first place s
Nobody's defending game Jerry cards, retard.

>>713104961
would it really be worth it for shift up?

>>713105273
They've already made a bunch of money off the PC launch so they probably have noting really to lose since launching on S2 will already shit all over the PS5 release if it happened.

>>713097862
Doesn't help that survival kids looks like complete shit

>>713095495 (OP)
however cyberpunk has sold well
what a gay article

>>713095495 (OP)
Glad to see people are at least pushing back against the Game Key Card shit

>>713105774
>game sells better than a key to a game
waow

>>713103347
Well then what? Are you gonna price your game at 60 and use a regular 64GB card?

>>713104961
nintendo won't allow it

>people get angry at third publishers for game key card shit
>not for Nintendo making 32gb and 64b twice to three times the amount of what it costs to buy it from the manufacturer without the Nintendo branding
We wouldn’t be in this position if Nintendo didn’t get high off its own farts. This is the N64 all over again but rather than the carts being expensive due to manufacturing costs, it’s the carts being expensive for Nintendo to pocket the difference. This is not right and it does strain their relationship and image third parties have with their customers.

>>713095495 (OP)
Release a new game and people will buy it. Most people who are interested in these games have already played them elsewhere.

>>713106202
This is the correct assessment. Whether or not it'll be as much of an issue as it was on N64 remains to be seen even though I don't think it will, but the blame is ultimately on Nintendo for this. It's incredible how so many people don't get that.

>>713104952
I'm surprised there aren't more companies trying to get in early while there aren't a lot of games to compete against. The first Mario Rabbids dropped on the switch early in its life and it worked out very well for them. I would expect corporate greed to steer these companies into going after untapped customers, but I guess that didn't happen. Due to the power increase in the switch 2 vs 1, we should see more lazy ports since it potentially far less effort. Just lock everything at medium/low PC settings and hit the "make port" button in unreal and call it a day. But if game key cards sell worse than expected it's going to result in quick digital only ports instead of abandoning the platform entirely.


>Macronix, the company Nintendo was partnering with to make cartridges, is already moving away from NAND cards so it seems unlikely.
So I guess we all have to suffer for Macronix's poor business decisions. Thanks for the article by the way, I wasn't aware of who was making the chips that go into switch games. I'm a bit of a retard when it comes to hardware, is it really that difficult to shove two 16G chips into a switch cartridge?

>>713098579
You say that but pretty much all the shovelware available at launch on the switch 1 like snipperclips and has been heroes was massively boosted due to there being fuck all to play other than BotW, funny to think shovelware was more enticing to consumers than AAA ports on key carts

>>713095643
Hey now Tendies never got to play these games before

I wonder how much backwards compatibility is fucking over these quick switch 2 ports. Why play "new" games when I can play my entire library of games that now run and look better?

>>713098824
I liked world tour...

>>713106628
Sure but when you have tards like (You) shouting over and over again that these games are X years old, what did you expect them to think?

>>713099365
>new good zelda, star fox, smash and paper mario
das it mane

32GB Switch cart cost 60% more than a 50GB PS4 disc. So it was coming out as something bonkers like 22 dollars of a 60 dollar game was going to Nintendo, as opposed to the like 13-14ish that would go to Sony or Microsoft for an equivalent version. With the switch 2, costs of said cart has risen between 80%-100%, more than a 20% increase. Yeah, fuck that shit

>>713106984
>32GB Switch cart cost 60% more than a 50GB PS4 disc
Damn.

>>713106475
>This is the correct assessment. Whether or not it'll be as much of an issue as it was on N64 remains to be seen even though I don't think it will,
We both know it won’t, the new guard in charge are banking on the name to carry them and it is for better or worse
>but the blame is ultimately on Nintendo for this. It's incredible how so many people don't get that.
I hate to say this as I’m no better but the bulk of people here are uneducated neets or poorly educated ones in fields that won’t grasp manufacturing and licensing costs of technology because they aren’t in it. It’s easy to shift blame to developers because they hate what they don’t understand and praise what they grew up with.

>>713095495 (OP)
Game key cards are killers.
Teddies collect games they don't play them, if there's no data on the card there's no reason to buy the games

>>713101576
maybe you should have paid better attention in school, or have you not finished yet?

>>713106984
the key cards are prolly a way to ween people off physical because if nintendo has to release 128gb carts for the switch 3 then they'll raise the price of games to $100+. at a certain point cartridges become a detriment because they're too expensive, we saw that w/ the n64 where devs jumped ship to systems that used cds instead. for the switch line of systems, digital only sadly makes the most sense for the future and good news for nintendo, the sony and microsoft handhelds will almost assuredly be digital only to get consumers used to it.

>>713099594
No

>>713095614
>Retard doesn't understand what a lowest estimation is.

>>713095643
At full price, too. I don't know why developers think we don't know when a game released over a year ago.

>>713095495 (OP)
uh oh, another wii situation... when will third parties learn?

i didn't really follow switch third party sales though, i just assumed they were bad as always with nintendo

>>713095495 (OP)
All on PC for cheaper and runs better.
Also most switch 2 owners got the console just to play its exclusive

>>713105946
That depends on LRG, fangamer or whoever picks it up, the carts are sub 20 dollars so that's 20 at the absolute minimum for a physical release, 30 if we're being realistic, and indies already went for 30-40 on switch 1 physically already. I'd gladly pay 60 for a proper silksong physical, not that my shitty game can compare to silksong, mind you, but the point still stands, and by the time it's out the price of carts might have gone down or smaller sizes might have been made available.

>>713106202
>"without the Nintendo branding"
Didn't some LRG games have some issues being recognized by the original switch due to being some knockoff brand or something?

>>713101443
BotW and TotK also have genuine physical releases, which further encourages their sales if someone wants to truly own the Switch 2 version.

SEGA's greedy practices is catching up with them, nobody's gonna buy their Switch 2 re-releases until they go on sale.

>>713099594
It's not quite universal, at least from what I've heard. Games like Arkham Knight that ran like utter dogshit on Switch 1 can run stably now, as to most games that could benefit from a stronger GPU, but it the game was more CPU bound then the benefits aren't as substantial. Also, there might be resolution issues depending on the game.
You might want to hold off until you see something you know that you'll care to play on Switch 2 specifically.

>>713107713
>the real reason why mario kart world is 80 dollars is because nintendo is passing off the cost of the carts to the consumers
Damn

>>713109436
>SEGA's greedy practices is catching up with them, nobody's gonna buy their Switch 2 re-releases until they go on sale.
tbf that's probably why sega is using the carts to begin with, sega's whole strategy is to slash prices of their new games by 50% like 2 to 3 months after release. with an expensive cartridge they can't really do that. a lot of third party publishers do that, only certain companies like nintendo can have their games remain evergreen enough to not lower the price substantially and still have it sell like crazy.

>>713110630
There's a reason they pushed those $50 bundles to get people to buy it digitally instead. If you haven't been playing attention there's 2 MKW bundles that have different boxes. 1 comes with a code in the box and the other doesn't, the e-shop recognizes it's a MKW bundle and downloads MKW automatically when you start it up. They were forced to make those code in a box bundles after the fact and there's a good chance that's because of the cartridge costs.

>>713110650
Framed that way, yeah, makes sense.
I wonder if they'll consider doing multi-title releases again, as a way to make meaningful use of the 64GB cards.

They previously bundled titles like Puyo Puyo Tetris, Sonic Mania, Sonic Forces, Team Sonic Racing, and Super Monkey Ball Banana Mania.

The other option is they go through LRG to do genuine physical releases for the small market that cares strongly enough.

>>713098446
Yep.

Played Mario Kart for 5 seconds, have spent the last couple of weeks on and off shiny hunting in 60fps in Scarlet and finished off Bowser's Fury. Basically is just gonna sit there until Donkey Kong comes out.

>>713095495 (OP)
What the hell did you expect with the game key card announcement lmao? Plus we all know no third party is optimizing for the switch so why buy on Nintendo?

>>713095495 (OP)
That white bar at the bottom is an instant no-buy, just like it was with Switch games that do it

Why are Switch 2 cards so expensive to produce anyway? Isn't technology supposed to get cheaper and faster with time? Is it just that Moore's law is dead? Or does physical media as a whole dying have something to do with it due to economics of scale?

>>713099391
I would only buy a Nintendo console for Nintendo games and nothing else.

>>713099391
because you can't get them anywhere else unless the console is able to be emulated otherwise just buy/pirate on PC

>>713098812
>Japan sales
There is quite literally not one single country that is more worthless for judging Nintendo sales than Japan.

Nintendo fans: “See guys we always sell the best”
Nintendo game developers: “Literally mathematically impossibly small sales.”

>>713100038
Why?

>>713111213
Producing a cart has always been expensive because of it's unique design to create. This is why CDs took over back int he day because of uniformity and everyone can produce it easily.

>>713111213
It's because the Switch 2 game cards are using a new kind of flash memory, same as microSD express cards.
The NAND flash inside is capable of PCIe / NVME access speeds and uses a new interface (Express cards have additional contact pins).

The NAND flash itself is more performant and therefore more expensive to produce, and apparently the minimum possible size may be 64GB. The smallest microSD express cards I've found online are 128GB.

MicroSD to Express is the equivalent of upgrading from USB 2.0 to 3.0, or from an HDD to an SSD. MicroSD express will also get more affordable over time, and Nintendo Switch 2 being the first major adopter of the format is what will help push the format forward.

>>713095495 (OP)
>key cards
>full priced games that can be bought on sale on other platforms

>>713110930
lrg is probably more likely, the rumors are saying that it costs $14 more to release physically on switch 2 than on other consoles right now and when sega likes slashing their games down to $30-$35 3 months after release, that extra $14 really REALLY adds up. nintendo eats a 30% cut regardless like all platform holders do and then there's distribution costs so it really wouldn't make sense logically for a company like sega to ever release on a 64gb cartridge.

>>713111526
They're not real cartrdiges. They use flash memory. The last Nintendo console to use cartridges was the GBA. Ds, 3ds, and Switch cards were nowhere near as expensive to produce as old school cartridges. I'm looking for answers as to why that changed.

>>713095495 (OP)
>ports of 10 year old games for 70 dollars and you dont even own the games btw

>>713097230
>it'd probably sell even on a key card because
retard alert

>>713111213
Here is an excerpt from a PCMag article from 2017 which talked about Switch cartridge prices compared to blu-ray


>The reason, as highlighted by Eurogamer, is one of manufacturing cost. Optical media, even Blu-ray discs, are very cheap to mass produce. Cartridges are relatively-speaking much more expensive. They also aren't a set cost.

>Regardless of whether you burn 5GB or 40GB to a Blu-ray disc the media costs the same. Switch cartridges on the other hand, escalate in price depending on whether you need 1GB, 2GB, 4GB, 8GB, 16GB or 32GB of storage. They also get more expensive per cartridge the smaller the batch ordered

https://www.pcmag.com/explainers/nintendo-switch-2-game-cards-vs-game-key-cards-vs-downloads-whats-the-difference

I don't know if Nintendo still has all those options for Switch 2 game cards anymore, but you can be assured that 64GB cards are stupid expensive.

I cant wait for the tears when fromsofts new switch 2 exclusive comes out.

>>713095495 (OP)
This is ultimately just a symptom of higher game prices and game key cards. Higher prices means people buy less games. They're only buying the "essentials" because otherwise they're spending too much on games now. Especially for games that aren't even on the damn cart

>>713095495 (OP)
It just came out. I bought one with Mario Kart and a Pro Controller and got some cheap download games. I figure most people spent less money than I did at launch. The sales will be better over time

>>713095495 (OP)
everyone owns a pc so buying non exclusives for switch is retarded

>>713112028
64GB is the ONLY option available

nintendo saw some success and got greedy as fuck again and now theyre ruining their business with greed again

>>713112028
IIRC there's nothing below 64gb yet. As in it doesn't even exist.

>>713112230
How is that greedy? Nintendo is raising their own expenses by doing that

>oh nooooo the ports of years old games on a new supply constrained console arent selling well!!!
Meanwhile MKW has outsold most PS5 exclusives to date btw

>>713112028
The Switch 2 carts use newer tech that literally doesn't have anything below 64gb right now. Publishers either shell out of 64gb which cuts into their profits, use a much cheaper keycard to at least give the option of having a "physical" version or make their game a code in the box/download only.

Is this a surprise?
Nintendo retards only wants to play another bing bang wahoo mario or zelda rehash in a pathetic attempt to relive their childood while being a 30yo adult loser

>>713112028
None of this was not also true for past Nintendo systems. The file sizes were smaller, but ds and 3ds cards also had varying amounts of storage, and they were always custom made. These problems with digital only releases and $80 games didn't exist before. So why is it this time specifically it's so expensive?

>>713112407
You mean the game bundle with the console at $30 discount and the only new game available for the system had a high numbers??

gee I can't imagine why these game key-cards aren't selling

>>713112569
Only about half the units are the bundles, but the console is selling out and MKW has a 90% attach rate
The game outsold Killzone Shadowfall and Demons Souls Remake (the PS4 and PS5 launch exclusives) lifetime sales combined in a single day btw

>>713112279
I heard that there were only 16 and 64 gig options available, but I can't source it anywhere so you may be right

>>713112365
refusing to make multiple SKUs, refusing to sell game key cards in various sizes. ther should be 2gb, 4gb, 8gb, 16gb, 32gb, 64gb, 128gb

but no they offer 1 single option because theyre cheap greedy fucks. that gay ass game bravely default or whatever would fit on a 2gb cart. why the fuck should they be forced to buy a 64gb cart from nintendo? this is why all 34d party games are on keycarts

>>713112230
Please stop commenting 3rd world. The Switch 2's physical solution is MicroSD Express which is much faster than MicroSD READ/WRITE. Do you see anyone still selling 8GB USB sticks? No? Why do you think that is? They moved to a new baseline, just like we don't see 120GB hard drives for SSDs anymore. The 64GB MicroSD Express is the cheapest Nintendo could haggle with the factories who make them. Nintendo is selling Mario Kart World which is 24GB on a 64GB cart, they would go cheaper if they could.

>>713112746
Were those games bundled or are you trying to sell me a Horizon situation? Like you don't think people went out and bought Wii sports on its own right?

>>713112746
SHUT THE FUCK UP

>>713112792
Man it's almost like the minimum for the format these days is 64gb or something and they'd have to outright develop a new format for something less which would add significant costs

>>713112230
>>713112279
These cards are basically mini SSDs, the publishers wanting a 4gb or even a 16gb mini SSD is just silly and a waste. But with all games being optimized for SSDs now, Nintendo basically had no choice but to swap to these new SSD like cartridges if they wanted to keep physical alive. It's honestly pretty fucking gay when you realize the price of games was increased to $80 to offset the costs but almost no third party is going to use these cartridges in the first place. Nintendo could have just used game key cartridges too and every consumer would have saved $10 on every new game they buy over the course of the generation. Even people that buy on sale will end up spending $5 more but no, then Nintendo would have to get lower margins on selling their system because they'd need to have a larger hard drive in it instead of the pathetically small 256gb one. Every gamer is going to pay extra because of Nintendo choosing to use cartridges that the industry is going to ignore, it's fucking bonkers.

>>713112564
>So why is it this time specifically it's so expensive?
See >>713112475 and >>713111682

>>713112869
Cool, remove all the bundled sales from MKW and MKW has still outsold either of them, and will reach that combined sale number in a couple of weeks.

>>713095495 (OP)
Because its mostly game-kike-key shit. The fact that Cyberfuck and first party games, the stuff not doing that shit, is the best selling releases thus far, shows that the most people are not getting tricked into buying those retarded keys.

I am exactly the kinda tendie fag that would have bought a bunch of these re-releases with all the DLC included, but the key fuckery completely removed any and all interest I had. I might as well pirate them down the line if they want to push digital only either through the eShop or these keys.

>>713113047
I mean yeah, there's nothing else to buy on the thing

>>713098446
Where can I bet against you? I'd love to make that bet against you, please respond

>>713113137
There wasn't on PS4 or PS5 either and yet those launch titles didnt sell anything lmao.
MKW is probably about to outsell the best selling PS5 console exclusive, Spiderman 2, by this time next year.

>>713095495 (OP)
I already own them besides the shitty sonicslop so why would I buy them again?

>>713112978
>the publishers wanting a 4gb or even a 16gb mini SSD is just silly and a waste.
The fuck are you talking about? The smaller sized games were selling like crazy on the Switch 1 and is why it has a fuck-huge library. Nintendo is screwing themselves out of the cash from all the smaller publishers that were paying for physical versions of these smaller indie type games which were selling great.

>>713113275
Pretty sure people bought the third party games. The thing people are not doing on the switch 2

>>713113361
Imagine making a 4GB NVME SSD. That's literally not worth the cost of production, the margins will be laughable and it's legitimately a waste of material.

>>713097237
Game is blurry as fuck because it's rendering on gamepad at 720p then stretched to 1080p.

Seriously, it's fucking ridiculous.

>>713113130
but they said you'd own nothing and you'd be happy so why aren't you smiling?

>>713113361
>Nintendo is screwing themselves out of the cash from all the smaller publishers that were paying for physical versions of these smaller indie type games
Marvelous is literally paying for actual carts despite being niche as fuck. The big publishers are just being cunts.

>>713113370
Holy copium lmfao

>>713098446
Yeah pretty much.
People buy Nintendo consoles to exclusively play Nintendo games, that's been a certified fact for years now.

>>713112978
>>713113361
>>713113558
I'm not really sure why but can they not reuse switch 1 carts for these smaller games. I can't imagine smaller games need to be that faster in terms of read times.

>>713095495 (OP)
Is Nintendo finally starting to see some consequences for their greedy practices? Did tendies finally grow a brain and stop being mindless consoomers?

>>713095495 (OP)
tendies only play first party tendie games. this is no secret. it’s why they’re blown away by shit anyone else had already seen decades ago

>>713113696
You don't think people bought 3rd party games on home consoles?

>>713098812
>Fucking RUNE FACTORY is outselling real games
I think the average consumer is actually smart enough to see the key card thing and realize it sucks. What a time to be alive.

>>713113927
That's japan sales figures

I was thinking something like this might happen. With an $80 price point, only a few games are going to sell well. If you look at the PS5, when they increased prices to $70 you saw a lot of big games fail to sell well. The fact that a decent amount of third parties are going with the shitty key cards doesn't really help things. I'm thinking the successes on Switch 2 are mainly going to be Nintendo games like Pokemon and Mario with everyone else getting table scraps.

>>713095495 (OP)
problem is most of the third party games on switch 2 atm are rereleases that don't even give you a cheaper upgrade option and some don't even give you the ability to transfer your save file over (lookin at you, puyo puyo tetris 2s). Sega is ESPECIALLY guilty of this shit.
I can't think of a single original third party game we have on switch 2 yet. Shit's all still in the works. Sales will definitely pick up once the stuff that's made from the ground up for switch 2 comes out.
>>713099594
personally, I'm loving the performance upgrades, particularly for pokemon and some of the games on my backlog that i never finished. I'm actually playing those more than mario kart atm.
worth the purchase JUST for the upgrades and future indies? Prolly not. I would say it would be for future first party titles. If you want those for cheaper, just buy them used or sign up for gamefly. i use that service all the time to try out new games and then keep them for cheaper than actual price.

>>713113991
The sales figures they have for the eShop suggest it's been doing well overseas too.

>>713099594
It's worth it if you skipped Switch 1 for the games you can't easily emulate (Splatoon, Mario Kart, Astral Chain).

It's absolutely not worth it if you bought Switch 1.

>>713096538
Lmao how's that digital copy of mario kart world going retard?

>>713113794
If games are made for SSDs in mind, that means they can be designed differently because of how the assets are loaded in. A popular example of games having to disguise load time on regular hard drives are the long ass corridors of nothing that plagued PS4 games, those were fancy loading screens.

If games need to be made to run on Switch 1 cartridges then that either holds back creative freedom or impacts the playability of the game when the Switch 1 cart can't stream the assets fast enough because it was designed with a console that as a SSD as the main SKU. The SSD on the Switch 2 makes a huge difference for loading times, even the new cartridges load games slower than the internal ssd so the old ones would hold back everyone that bought games digitally when you play online:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUQnJaEh-bA

I just don't understand the Switch 2. It almost seems like a humiliation ritual
>Dated blue tinted LCD panel
>Still using the same drift prone sticks as the Switch 1
>Nvidia chip from 2019 (Probably because this entire console was just the rumored Switch Pro upgrade)
>Still can't do 60fps on hardly any games that aren't DS ports
>Fake 4k
>Can't actually do 120hz on any games
>Have to pay money to play p2p online games
>$80 for first party games
>Have to pay money to upgrade Switch games
>Download codes are actually physical carts as a fuck you to the consumer
>No second hand Switch 2 market will exist in 20 years after Nintendo shuts the servers down


Having to pay money to get better framerates on a console that is backwards compatible just blows my mind.

>>713114470
I sure they can mitigate this by giving the option to download parts of the game to the internal/SSD.

>>713099594
>is the switch 2 worth it just for performance upgrades on switch 1 games
No. You're better off buying the OLED version than the 2.

>>713095495 (OP)
>create a console that runs old games worse than they ran years ago when they came out on other systems
Nintendo has zero reason to actually make an effort

>>713114772
Then what's the point of having the cartridge to begin with? Just as an install disc? That's what the game key carts are already doing.

>>713114749
have you considered the fact that your confusion comes from your false suppositions and doesn't hold any basis in reality?

>>713114962
I thought the issue was that the game cart keys didn't have the full game on cart. This would still have the full game on cart no matter if servers or what what not didn't exist. Discs have done this already when they couldn't fit in one.

>>713095495 (OP)
Everyone’s blaming it on the game key card’s but that would really only impact you if you’re buying physical, whereas digitally that issue doesn’t exist which is how most people get their games nowadays
Not saying it’s not having an effect, but there’s gotta be more to it assuming they’re counting both digitally and physically. I’d be curious to see what percentage of these 3rd party sales are between physical and digital for answers on how the game key cards are affecting sales

>>713098446
Yup. This is why I buy nintendo consoles. MK world and DK. Then pokemon z-a and splatoon raiders. You only buy nintendo consoles for the exclusive games.

>>713115149
That's fair, that is a major difference. I guess cost is the still the thing holding that idea back because barely anyone used the 32gb Switch 1 cartridge because of the price. A 100gb game won't even fit on these new 64gb cartridges and those are a dime a dozen now.

It's just a shitty situation, cartridges are a much more expensive content delivery system in a world where everything is multiplat and game sizes are inflated. The new Call of Duty game was around 300gb, it's a joke.

>>713114749
They know their audience is retarded

Question. Assuming game key cards didn't exist for Switch 2 and all other factors remained the same, for games that are bigger than 64GB, what are 3rd party studios supposed to do if they don't want to not have their game on Switch 2 at all? Put them out as digital only? Use multiple game cards?

Even Nintendo's own ports aren't selling, if anyone wanted to play any of these games they already would have

>>713099391
If Nintendo had their games available on other platforms do you really think people would buy their dedicated hardware? Look what happened to Xbox once they ditched exclusives.

>>713115681
Something your image doesn't show is that nearly 1 million Switch 2 units were sold in Japan that first week and that's how much the third party games sold with an install base of 1 million.

>>713104961
Honestly, I would be surprised if it makes it considering Nintendo censorship.
If it actually does make it, is not a game key card and doesn't look like complete ass, I'd be willing to double dip.

>>713095495 (OP)
I have a ps5 and a pc too, as to many other switch 2 owners. why would I play 3rd party games on the switch, unless performance isn't impacted? I bought unicorn overlord on switch because the performance is the same as on ps5, but there's no reason to buy something like cyberpunk on switch over ps5 or pc, not that I'd ever buy it.

>>713116056
What the image shows is that Nintendo's own ports like BOTW and TOTK are in the same boat as these thirdy party releases.
People want new games not the same ones that have already been out for years

>>713116056
Wouldn't that show on the cumulative total?

>>713099216
sony in japan in covid

>>713116169
In the past I used to buy games on my Switch 1 instead of my PS5 to avoid the SSD storage cost. I'm gravitating back to the PS5 to avoid filling out my Switch 2 now, lol. I haven't filled my PC SSDs yet, thank God I don't play live service slop.

>>713116063
Stellar Blade is a 75GB game, so it'll probably be game key card at the absolute minimum if they do it. I really do believe if they somehow manage to get approval from Nintendo, they aren't going to spend even more time, money and resources trying to compress it down even 11 GB to fit on a game card when they know it wouldn't do that great of numbers there anyway.

>>713104961
buy a 3year old ps5 game a 2 year old pc for 80 dolla

>>713116425
Can't you buy an SD Card for storage expansion on Switch 2 though?

>>713114749
yeah you don't understand anything

>LCD
don't know about the screen, but everyone said its good
>stick
sticks existed before Switch and drifting somehow was never an issue in the past
>chip from 2019
the design might be based on an older chip but its not the same, the Switch 1 also used an older chip. This is standard procedure for Nintendo, because it allows them to get hardware much cheaper and in greater numbers.
>fake 4K
current consoles still struggle with 4K. The Switch 1 barely managed 1K. If you used true 4K there wouldn't be any resources left for a graphical upgrade.
>Can't actually 120hz
can your pc do 120hz 4k on a recent game?
>p2p
???
>$80, paid upgrades
finance told them people eat it up anyway. On the other side third party devs don't seem to update their game at all.
>download codes
so what everyone else is doing nowadays. My first download code PC game was 15 years ago.
>no second hand market
that's the intention. They don't make a penny from you selling your game. Why should the endorse this?

>>713098090
What is the new content?

>>713115550
I mean you’re entitled to waste your money like everyone else

>>713116446
The Switch 2 version wouldn't need 4K assets, because it can't handle them anyway, this could make it meet cartridge limitations. Still not convinced this is actually coming out until I see some random dude playing an uncensored version of it on the Switch 2.

>Games everyone already owns aren't selling well
No shit? Why is this news?

>>713116551
New cutscenes that retcon deaths.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlIHj9zdXFU

>>713095495 (OP)
will lock me sonic x shadow generations next month. This month was too much vidya spending.

>>713116446
The steam version on my disk is 58.2, I don't think they have to tinker that much to do it.

>>713116249
Should these two be counted in the first place? Everyone already has them so why would you buy it again at a premium without the DLC even included? On top of that, one of these two is a 8 years old Wii U game.

Because only people dumb enough to buy a Switch 2 are people who somehow still enjoy Mario Kart

>>713116819
Oh it is? Don't know why I thought it was 75 then. Well, if it somehow does end up on the Switch it'll give Bayonetta competition. Of course it's Nintendo so no chance of mods of any type. Have no idea how minimum requirement would work for it in the CPU department, but if the minimum requirement really is around a 1060, then Switch 2 at least has a chance.

>/v/ unable to go a single minute without seething about nintendo
kek

>>713095495 (OP)
If you aren't even selling a Disk/Card then I have every right to pirate and avoid your game.

>>713105708
Those were some great Gameboy games back in the day. No one cares about the IP and this is literal mobile gacha slop being sold at full price on a key card

>>713099391
That's the entire point of consoles?

>>713115481
The same article mentions that 80% of game sales on switch 2 have been physical so far. So game key cards are absolutely a factor here.

>>713101487
Kek

>>713116518
>but everyone said its good
"Everyone" is redditors that don't know even know what they're looking at. It's a low-mid tier LCD in 2025
>current consoles still struggle with 4K
>can your pc do 120hz 4k on a recent game?
I'm not advertising it multiple times
>p2p
Both the Switch and Switch 2 are still doing peer 2 peer online games, which is ridiculous when you're paying to use your own internet connection.
>Why should the endorse this?
It's not their business what I do with my games, especially if they're not even available to purchase in the future. They don't have to endorse shit, just not require me to download half the game from a server, even if I have a cart

You're right about most of the other things because most of my complaints about the Switch 2 have been my biggest complaints about console cucks for the past ten years

>>713095495 (OP)
>>tendies literally don't play games
It has always been the case

>>713103497
GTA 6 is going Xbox Series S so on a technicality level maybe it can.

>>713095495 (OP)
>they thought the switch didn't flop

>>713095495 (OP)
Fake news.

>>713106628
this is the issue when you start taking consolewarring seriously, it skews your view of reality. there are not that many pure tendies, it is mostly a world of idorts. the people own many consoles and play many games. it is retarded for game studios to be surprised that re-releases sell badly

>>713117919
lieslieslieslieslies

>>713116498
When they're cheaper. Buying a 256GB card is fine but not worth it. I rather go 500GB minimum when it costs 20 dollars.

>>713117919
Just because this pile of shit is better than the other pile of shit doesn't mean it's not shit.

Daily reminder that

>>713117919
Switch 1 launched with like 5 games, anon. And the most notable third party was... Bomberman R.

daily REMINDER that __________

Finish the sentence

>>713118193
man, that was a killer first year tho

>>713116498
You have to buy express SD cards which are significantly more expensive than normal ones. They are even a lot more expensive than fucking M2 for the PS5 or PC.
It's basically just Nintendo cheaping out again and not wanting to redesign their shit so they went with the same as Switch 1 and it can't find a fucking M2.

>>713118098
>The Snoy sees a system with first party games
>it hurts itself in confusion.

It’s always those that cannot afford X that hate on said X

>>713116498
With the current prices of Express Micro SD cards you might as well just get a PS5 SSD instead.

>>713117862
Switch 2 is closer in line with a PS4 Pro than a Series S though. If they decided to make a Switch 2 port of GTA 6, they may as well go ahead and put it on the PS4 and Xbox One too.

>>713112792
I'm pretty sure bravely default is 11GB so it'd need a 16GB cart though, puyo puyo ok the other hand? Pretty sure that one is somewhere between 2GB and 4GB

>>713099032
Street Fighter needed to stay 2D.
The 3D games (by Capcom) don't work because Capcom keeps trying to blend realism in very obvious caricature models.

>>713119464
You just don't have taste and want tranime style instead.

>>713095495 (OP)
What kind of absolute retard do you have to be to buy 3rd party games on a nintendo console? Nintendo is exclusively for nintendo games and PC is for everything else. Other consoles are irrelevant.

>>713119710
yea

>>713115481
Well, Capcom is counting game key card sales as digital, so...

>>713115674
Split fiction is around 70GB meaning it doesn't fit in a 64GB cart and it's a code in a box release

>>713118880
I’m speculating with the wizardry of DLSS they can pull off some bullshit to run it on the tablet. Same way cyberpunk works. Either that or GTA V at the bare minimum

>>713095643
>Implying that tendies have played even one of those games

>>713117356
I'd know, I played the first one during the covid lockdowns, this shit is downright unrecognizable, another IP whose corpse is paraded around in a shoddy skinsuit

>>713095495 (OP)
Too expensive, too sanatized with corporate crap and too many strings attached and it's barely an upgraded to the og Switch.

>GIVE US FULL PRICE FOR OUR PORTS AND ALSO THERE ARE NO UPGRADE PATHS (SEGA) AND ALSO THE GAME ISNT EVEN ON THE CARTRIDGE
The fuck did they expect?

>>713115674
"cloud version"
people spreged the fuck out about switch 1 not being able to play "ps2 games" with kingdom hearts, without realizing the modren verison of that collection is around 80 gigs on just the first one alone when unpacked due to the amount of upscaling taking place. Cloud versions are the only alternative to game keys

>>713120598
>buying a cartridge
what am i, 40?

>>713120598
kek fuck SEGA

>>713095495 (OP)
Man I wish Yamauchi was still alive and ceo of Nintendo, he would have told all of these fuckers off for wasting dev kits and allocations that could have gone to serious devs who would have had brand-new games ready for launch day and not old ass ports of games that weren't anything to write home about in the first place

>>713119927
you know, they could just compress textures or just leave out all the variable res texture and models.
They could easily cut down a few gigabytes without sacrificing anything, because it won't run on native 4k anyway.

I already own Yakuza 0 and Sonic X Shadow Generations on Steam and I have a Deck. Why would I buy them again for Switch 2 at giga jew pricing. I'd consider Generations again at like $20.

>>713120656
Cloud version of digital download. Considering "cloud edition" is a death sentence for sales, the digital download code in a box would be the only real option. Without game key cards, there'll be a WHOLE lot more code-in-a-box Switch 2 games.

>>713095495 (OP)
No game on the cartridge, no buy. Simple as

>>713120656
>Muh filesize!
That's not why the collection was released a cloud game. The Switch 1 literally could not run KH1.5 + 2.5 had an acceptable level. It's not the hardware's fault that SE are incompetent but that collection, as it stands, cannot run the on the platform. Here's why: The NSW has 4GB (3GB are available for games) meanwhile KH requires 4GB to run at 720p30 and 8GB to run at 1080p60 (Thank you, PS3.) Unless you wanted literal 480p28fps in docked and 302p20fps in handheld, that shit simply wasn't feasible.

>>713121657

>>713095495 (OP)
Third party never does well on Nintendo consoles.

>>713095495 (OP)
There's a reason why tendies aren't getting ports for future games like RE9, Pragmat, Romeo is a Deadman, Silent Hill g and etc. Hell, not even a single Atlus jrpg port like Metaphor or Persona 3, even the future Persona 4 Remake doesn't have Switch 2 version announced.

>>713098446
I feel like I’m the only person who got a Switch to play low budget JRPGs like Atelier in bed. It’s the perfect system for that kind of thing. Never touched a Nintendo game.

>>713100010
you sound really upset

>>713120018
Cyberpunk is already struggling to the 20fps in dogtown alone and that's with DLSS.
I ain't gonna run GTA 6.

>>713111518
Why not? I mean, have you looked into making your PC work on your TV at 4K 60fps?
>Steam Deck has horrible latency for the controllers, try it
>Can't reach 4K60 on most titles
>Regular PCs can't be turned into a mobile device unless you use a laptop
>Laptop GPUs suck ass, you have to throw a lot of money for a decent one and even then it'd run very poorly
>Also forget about playing on battery lmao
There's too many compromises. Meanwhile the Switch 2's only compromise is that the mouse-con mode is a little uncofortable to use, but I think it's good enough

>>713100010
It only took downloading smash on the 3ds once to never want to use their download service ever again.
Battery almost ran out 3 times while it packed enough cubes into that box to fill. A couple islands

>>713123074
the switch 2 compromise is also the battery tbf. 2 hours ain't great.

>>713095495 (OP)
People already played these games on better systems/pc.

>>713123270
Yeah but it's 2 hours on reasonable performance, not 1 hour on crippled performance like laptops (with dedicated GPUs) are. Plus once you're running out of battery just dock it and there, problem solved, play on the TV while it charges? I know it's not perfect mind you, but I'd love to replay mouse centric games on the Switch 2

>>713095495 (OP)
people hate game key cards

>>713095906
Nah, Sega was always cocky. Back in the GameCube days any Sega game cost $10 more than games published by any other dev. And this is right on the heels of their exit from the console business, they still somehow thought they were worth more.

>>713095495 (OP)
lmao good way to summarize yakuza """fanbase"""
>le dame da ne XD
>play the game? what game? oh the dame dane game? lol I don't actually play video games :3

>>713101643
>think of the trillion dollar corporations and their 5 cents per 1000 units cost of using sd cards!!!!

>>713096517
Sony patented that so Nintendo can’t do it

>>713124003
you can "dock" the laptop too but that's not an option with either if you're not in your house. you can turn down the graphics on a laptop to eek out more battery life if that's what you want. it's a get what you pay for kind of situation. you're paying less than a laptop for a worse experience. except if you're willing to be a filthy pirate, the laptop is cheaper over time.

>>713122692
It's gonna be another generation of switchfags portbegging again

>>713124803
But we ran out of WiiU games...

>>713125021
There is... Another...

>>713124562
This is coming from the Asus Flow Z13, which can barely play at 60fps at 1080p. Portable computers like this are fine but they compromise a lot to reach the performance / battery life they promise. And yeah, a laptop is cheaper even if you're not a pirate because you can pay for GamePass and get tons of games, or buy only on steam sales, or get free epic drops or whatever, but it's not as nice an experience as a Switch 2 for gaming; you still need to carry around a mouse or a controller after all. Oh and by the way, the shit version of the Z13 Flow is 2300$, if you want the chad 128GB version which you NEED if you are a developer, you need to pay fuckyou$ amount

>game not actually in the box
>modern Sonic lol
>I (gamer) already have Yakuza and SF on Steam since they're several years old now
>small children who play Mario Kart aren't buying Yakuza or SF
>price hike
Gee, I wonder why

>>713095495 (OP)
I actually paid $30 for the physical version of GTA Trilogy, which still requires a 10GB download of Vice City.

It was "remastered" by Indians and/or women and everything looks like shit. But it was half price.

If SNOY wants to sell me an on-cart edition of Yakuza for $25, I'd buy it.

>>713095495 (OP)
Give it a few months and Sonic and Yakuza will get decent sales. SEGA games are never worth full price because they end up on sale quickly.

>>713125021
there is star fox zero

>>713125197
You need to wait until Miyamoto dies to get a new Starfox game, even if it's a port of the worst game in the series. I rather they remake Starfox Adventure, that game was fucking awesome

>>713125160
>modern Sonic lol
ok gramps, let's get you to bed

>>713122692
>Romeo is a Deadman

>Suda51: "Okay, after No More Heroes, I'm going to make more serious games with grittier narratives.
>watch the trailer for Deadman
Um, Suda? What did you mean by this?

>>713095495 (OP)
i got a Switch 2 as well because why not. long as you don't put a game on your card tho i aint buying it.

I'm just not going to buy a game key card, ever.

>>713124803
This faggot should just sell his Switch 2, why would you buy a Nintendo console when you care about third party games? So stupid.

>>713125316
You don't have to be a boomer to know that Sonic games have been irredeemable shit since Generations. Just fucking boot up a rom of 3&K and find out in 5 seconds

>>713125167
>If SNOY wants to sell me an on-cart edition of Yakuza for $25, I'd buy it.
wat, the game has been in the $20 range for YEARS at this point, even cheaper during digital sales.

>>713125295
isnt star fox command considered the worst game of the series?
i havent touched any handheld star fox games, so i am just depending on other anons opinions

>>713122196
Sega, Capcom, and Bamco games do, which is why they all have a close relationship with Big N in the first place.
It's just that Nintendofags don't care for 3rd parties when it's generic grunt shit.

>>713125456
no, Zero still exists

>>713125316
>zoomy liked frontiers
grim, no wonder the games still suck, you guys keep telling sega that the bad games are good.

>>713125456
Maybe, I've downloaded and opened it like 4 times across 10 years and I've never had enough willpower to actually fucking play it, I'll try it out now and let you know I got my DSi XL right here

>>713125441
3rd party games have always been important to Nintendo, enough with this meme.

>>713125565
Not important enough to get "good enough" support for more than a year, ever. It's not a meme, third party support goes down to only indie games by year 2 of the console's life, the Switch 2 will be no different. I like my Switch 2, but only because I have a PC and Steam Deck to play third party games. I'd be pissed if I was trying to turn this thing into my main platform.

>>713124490
Why do these scumbag companies ALWAYS patent the best mechancis and ideas?

Imagine how Eternal Darkness's sanity mechanic could have evolved throughout the years if Nintendo weren't GREEDY FUCKS?!?! With all the advancements we've made in terms of (video game) technology. Sanity mechancis with AI?!?!

>>713095495 (OP)
key cards are dumb. cyberpunk has the full game on a cart. this is the way. not everyone wants to download 60 gigs and storage space, even with microsd, is not infinite.

>>713125148
that's probably 1080p native on medium, you can use fsr or dlss so that you can use a $1000~ laptop and get a lot better battery life and still having better performance than what the switch 2 offers by miles. obviously that's 2x as expensive as a switch 2 still. the switch 2 is plug and play though without having to need to potentially jump through a bunch of hoops so i can see some people valuing that more than a better catalog+running games better or just preferring the switch 2 form factor or cheaper initial price point.

personally, if i had to have 1 or the other as my only gaming device i would pick the laptop.

>>713124490
That's blatantly false on an absurd level, why do fanboys lie like this.

>>713095495 (OP)
>one publisher
holy cope lmao

>>713125565
>enough with this meme.
remember when the wiiu was supposed to become the nintendo console with killer 3rd party support
good times

>>713125706
I have lots of third party games on Switch. Last year I got more third party than first party games on Switch. What's not to understand?

>>713125529
Nah, Zero is better overall, because in the end, it still has SF64's DNA in it.
Command's only redeemable aspect are the insane endings to laugh at, and acknowledging Star Fox 2.

>>713125448
https://www.dekudeals.com/items/yakuza-0
$12 physical, $4 digital.

>>713126001
And they're all old, compromised ports that cost way too much. I just don't want to wait for the nintendo port, sometimes it takes years or sometimes it just never happens at all. I don't expect the Switch 2 third party support to be any better than the Wii U's. We can already see that nobody is buying the game key card games, despite the console apparently having the biggest launch ever.

key cards are stupid. I like the hardware but fuck a box with a download code. The cart slot is useless with a key card.

>>713125456
>>713125554
So the controls are okay, stylus flying is cool, I don't appreciate having to double tap the screen but ehh it's fine. This is already 100x better than Zero btw just on the controls alone

>>713098812
damn japan cannot stop buying street fighter 6

>>713095495 (OP)
The 2 in Switch 2 stands for Sloppy Seconds.

>>713125565
>3rd party games have always been important to Nintendo
yes, the problem is that 3rdies did their best to suck Sony's dick since the PS1 era to the point they only remember that Nintendo exist when it's doing extremely well. Pretty sure dozen of publishers also had shit sales at PS4 or 5 release yet nobody cried because it's okay when anything happen at Sony, even losing money.

>>713096076
Name one downside.

>>713125820
But which laptop anon? you claim better battery life but this Flow Z13 already has great battery life while gaming compared to pretty much anything else. Let's say for example a Razer Blade 2025 with a 5060 or 5070, yeah you'd get better graphics when "docked" but you'd also have to deal with Big Picture mode, launchers hell and general compatibility issues. I would go for the laptop too, but I'd do it knowing full well that it WOULD NOT be gaming without a battery unless it was some pixel shit game or something from < 2010 and at 60fps. Oddly enough, a fucking macbook would have better battery life while gaming, great screen and generally great performance elsewhere but apple is too retarded to force developers to support it. Even Baldur's Gate 3 plays great on a Macbook Pro M1. And every game on Apple Arcade has 0 microtransactions, it's free to download and play and has mandatory controller support. Yet if you go there you'll see nothing but slop like Hello Kitty's Island

Key cards are simply not worth the plastic they’re stored on, either put the game on the cart or I’m not buying physical

>>713123007
GTA V then it is

>>713095495 (OP)
NS2 has priced most people out of owning a large library of games so it should be obvious to anyone why third party games aren't selling well. On top of people getting a better price elsewhere on other platforms they may or may not have, they're on a Nintendo console people buy for Nintendo games. If the average Joe has $80 to spare to buy a game for his NS2, is his going to buy Yakuza 0 and Sonic or Mario Kart 9? It should be common sense.

>>713096076
i wonder when nintendo will embrace gamekey cards for their first party games too
it will kill the resale value over the long term
my paper mario ttyd is worth over 200$ and rising over 20 years after i bought it, i dont see that happening to gamekey cards

>>713125948
Man Xbox had a great launch lineup compared to this desu

>>713122692
can't wait to see your tears at the next direct lmao
>>713124803
>summer game fest
actual retard lol

>>713118880
do they release PS4 games that only run on the Pro? i thought the system devs had rules for things like that that required the games to run on the Base PS4 too.

>>713098812
iirc judge eyes remastered sold pretty well on PS5 in japan because it was piss cheap (1980 yen) and one of the only early titles. if zero for switch 2 was just as cheap they could've got everyone to buy it.

>>713123007
>he keeps forcing the same lies
try harder

>>713126865
real

>>713126925
>do they release PS4 games that only run on the Pro?
No, not even Snoy is jewish enough to do that.

>>713095495 (OP)
Rerelease Sonic X shadow generations when they could have done a upgrade like a normal company, why is Sega so dumb?

>>713099594
>is the switch 2 worth it just for performance upgrades on switch 1 games
no. i was hoping it would almost completely kill framerate drops like PS5 did for PS4 games, but it hasn't done that for most games i've tried, just reduced them a bit. the performance already leaves a lot to be desired, it's clearly underpowered.

>>713126467
If that was the case, 3rd party support would be non-existent on the Xbox given how poorly it has done yet outside of exclusives and some snafus, it can get nearly all the third party games the PS5 and PC gets. The continuing issue for third parties is the power disparity game Nintendo themselves have chosen not to chase and that is fine, it's their platform. But not every company has the money or resources to pour into the fact that because of this choice, you have to do a cost analysis on if the game can be reasonably ported for the platform with the increased costs. For some games that have low requirements, sure. But what about the budget AAA and AA games? Nintendo will never get to the no brainer for third party threshold with how they do things and that is the choice they made so their third party support will always be subpar when the reference machine for the generation is going to be by and large the PS5.

>>713127125
so then it does make sense to make switch 2 ports for games and not PS4 ports.

>>713099594
No, it's still best to play Switch 1 games on PC.

>>713095495 (OP)
It seems to me that game key cards are not selling.

>>713127228
I'm not that guy but what? PS4 ports still make more sense than Switch 2 ports for most companies.

>>713100894
>almost 10 years old
came out march 2015 in japan, it's past 10 years now.

>>713106628
This is when you realize those mythical tendies that you keep talking about, the ones that only own a Switch and nothing more, the ones that constantly shitpost every single multiplat game thread because they can't play it, don't really exist, you made them up.
The people who only own a Switch don't browse gaming websites.

>>713117931
The only people I've met who own literally only a Switch don't even play video games at all.

>>713120025
They clearly have because they're not buying them again, your explanations for our reality keep getting more convoluted because you're following your weird console war assumptions.

>>713105995
lol, they'll ask them to give Eve sexy Samus and Link costumes.

key cards are LITERALLY worthless, I could stay home and download digital.

>>713102790
Man fuck SquareEnix in particular.

>>713095495 (OP)
>Cyberpunk has enjoyed some success however
How curious, the only third party who actually did a physical release instead of the key card bullshit did well, surely that has nothing to do with it :)

>>713100010
This isn't Xbox or PlayStation, anon. All game boxes on Nintendo have warnings since Switch 1. People DO read them.

>>713100038
Age of Empires 1, 2, 3, Mythology collection.
Portal 1&2 (already on switch) with mouse support.
Quake/Doom with mouse support.

>>713106984
>60% more than a 50GB PS4 disc
And since a 50GB Blu-ray disc is like... $3 that means its a whopping $4.80 for the switch cart, yeah that will surely drive them bankrupt faster than their game not selling a single copy due to nobody wanting gaym key carts.

People on /v/ constantly advice to not buy rereleases at full price yet now you're all acting like that's what we should be doing.

They should use the Xbox Smart Delivery thing. Have the cart have Switch 1 data but if it's in a Switch 2 it'll download the Switch 2 version.

>>713097080
Snoys just live in a parallel world or some shit, I don't get it. They just say things and assume it's the truth.

>level-5 is one of the few third-party devs blessed with early devkits
>released tons of switch 1 games that run like dogshit (megaton musashi, yokai watch 4)
>haven't released upgrades for anything but fantasy life

>>713095643
You would think this was obvious.

Anyone who has the money to buy a Switch 2 at launch with Mario Kart already has another platform where he played all those multiplats before.

>>713114772
damn, that sounds kind of like some kind of key cart.

what is the point of a physical copy that requires a full digital download?

>>713113927
it's not people being smart, it's just the "nintendo bad" bandwagon accidentally doing something good for a change like shitting on Game Key Carts.

>>713127818
>Age of Empires 1, 2, 3, Mythology collection.
Oh we're definetly getting tons of Microsoft games like that, including Diablo, I'm assuming they're just waiting for the fall to showcase them coming to Switch, or after we get Call of Duty

>>713098446
why the fuck would I buy multiplats on the Switch 2 when I have a PC?

>>713115674
We had multiple discs as far back as the PS1, they can suck it up and eat the costs for that again, maybe that would motivate them to quit with the 300GB games full of doubled up assets and uncompressed audio.

>>713112028
i don't think 1GB cartridges were ever actually made, just 2GB.

>source is Christopher Dring
>same guy who said Mario Wonder was made by a "C Team"
Sure...

>>713095906
>>713103725
you guys know these are japanese games right?

>>713101897
Yeah this, I don't care either way because I own other platforms, make the game physical or I'm not buying, digital games on a console is retarded.

>>713127307
follow the conversation anon.
>Switch is PS4 Pro level, so porting to switch they might as well port to PS4
>But porting to PS4 requires porting to Base PS4, not just down to Pro
>therefore if a game could run on the PS4 Pro, but not the base PS4, then it would make sense to port to Switch 2 but not the PS4.

>>713123074
>Steam Deck has horrible latency for the controllers, try it
I think it depends on what type of TV you use, the dumb TV I've had for a decade gets massive input lag but the smart TV I got last year works fine.
External controllers on the Deck just suck ass though, you're usually trading more for less when you switch to one, you're better off using the Deck as a plug & play.

>>713104961
Those guys are so nice that I bet the game would be in the cartridge and no fucking gay key card shit.

>>713128379
I don't want to follow it, I'm not involved.

Tendies are the only ones who will actually fight against shit they don't like, there you go, key cards will probably won't be an issue for long, money speaks.

>>713099365
I'm still convinced that we're probably looking at a "red mirage" situation for the Switch 2, kinda like the PS5, where the opening hardware sales are ridiculous (thanks to status symbol FOMO and scalping), but software sales trend disproportionately low.

>>713096076
This, make it go away or no one will buy your shit, I don't buy stuff that will be worth nothing in 10 years.

>>713128523
We will retvrn to tradition

The virtual game keycard thing seems fucking stupid, a lot nintendo people want to collect but these carts will be useless when they kill the switch 2 eshop in the future. How dumb.

>>713128190
Asking modern devs to learn to optimize, Something generations of developers prior did, is asking too much.

Rollercoaster Tycoon meanwhile was built in assembly. It could run on anything.

>>713128014
>>713114962

>>713120656
or they could do their fucking job and optimize for the plateform they sell you the game on?

>>713108475
You understand that they had shitty estimations, though, don't you?

>>713128014
This reply isn't as clever as you think

>>713128401
Yeah I agree, I bought a Steam Deck Dock, connected my Xbox controller through bluetooth and it sucked, my PS5 controller and it sucked, my wireless Xbox 360 adapter and it sucked (????) you NEED to plug a cable otherwise the latency is just horrible, unplayably bad... Oddly enough, my fucking Apple TV with Moonlight had better latency using a shitty clone PS4 controller through bluetooth (I wasn't using moonlight on the SD, I was running the game natively, IT GOT BEATEN BY MOONLIGHT ON AN APPLE TV)

Now I feel bad about getting Bravely Default on the eshop, seems like everyone else is doing their part of avoiding game key card shit.

>>713129045
You should feel bad for giving Square money in the first place.

>>713128632
Ironic, because the NBA 2K games have always been top 10 sellers on the eshop around the 6 month 2K sale every year.

>>713128850
*farts*
Not that anon though

>>713128504
You involved yourself retard.

>>713129264
Not enough to read what's going on

>>713126925
they never formally made pro-only games, the closest they got was relisting cyberpunk 2077 with a written warning that you shouldn't play it on the original PS4.

>>713129045
yeah, you kind of did that to yourself, BD is free on the Hshop after all.

>>713095643
This is literally how all nintendo games work and those retards eat that shit up.

>>713122692
...and that reason is that almost all devs didn't get devkits until the console launched, and weren't going to announce ports they didn't start making yet. while some of those devs did put out switch 2 games already, they have several teams and definitely didn't get enough kits for all of them yet. nintendo allocated as much hardware for consumers as possible.
if you honestly think metaphor and P3R not having ports announced yet is atlus deliberately withholding them and not mere time constraints, you live on another planet.

>>713127743
it being the mouse showcase game helps more than anything i think. the joycon mouse is the big new meme feature.

>>713128523
>Tendies are the only ones who will actually fight against shit they don't like
>laughs in $70 controllers
>laughs in paid online (I will concede that the core Nintendo fans did fight back on this in 2017 and got it delayed, but when the fairweather fans and trendchasers started really pouring in in 2018, they completely drowned out the critical fans)
>laughs in Origami King being the fastest-selling Paper Mario game
>laughs in $70 for a glorified expansion pack
>laughs in $80 Mario Kart
>laughs in $100 (after sales taxes) controllers

>>713129897
>laughs in $70 for a glorified expansion pack
Are you talking about the game that was 6 years in the making? You can have good points without mixing it bullshit you know.

>>713130123
>the game that was 6 years in the making?
Yes. It started as a DLC, and in practice it still comes across as a glorified expansion rather than a wholly new game.

Kingdom Hearts is gonna be a streaming release again isn't it?

>>713095495 (OP)
>Rich people that can afford other platforms already bought those games
>Poor people that can only afford 1 console won't be able to afford all these overpriced 3rd party games
It's not rocket science you know?

>>713095495 (OP)
I won't buy your $90 10yo shitty port shipped in a empty card and you will be sad.

>>713095495 (OP)
>port of a re-release of a 15 year old game
>port of a re-release of a 10 year old game
>port of a 1 year old game
it's a wonder why nobody is buying this shit

>>713133549
i think the bigger problem is
>$70 port of a game that sells for $20 regularly
>$70 port of a game that sells for $4 regularly
>Shit fighter 6

>>713129705
While it sounds nice in theory this very well could backfire on nintendo since with all the devs only now getting their devkits, they also have front-row seats to how their games will preform on switch 2
>Intend on porting your games to switch 2
>Have to wait until launch before you can get to work
>Launch comes and you finally get your devkit
>Turns out that what 3rd party games are on there are all selling like shit, with some even outright flopping
>”Well if nobody is going to buy anything but nintendo, why even bother?”
It can easily be another switch situation, but instead of them not porting anything because off the wii u flopping, it’s because it looks like nintendo fans don’t buy 3rd party. If so then it would be years before they start bothering once the system starts selling gangbusters, and that’s assuming it even does

>>713098446
I skipped BotW and TotK the first time around so I'm having a blast playing those with the new version as my primary experience.

>>713095643
worked for the switch

>>713125448
>>713133956
>>713102270
>hurrrrrr durr why new version cost moe money? LOOK, I can find it right here in a clearance bin

>>713129705
Then how come P4 Remake didn't get a confirmed switch 2 port? All the other platforms got it, and the game doesn't even have release date yet.

Already have Shadow Gens on PS5

>>713121671
A PC with 4 GB of RAM has probably even less than 3GB available for the game. The PS3 is a system with 512MB of RAM, and it ran those games. Kingdom Hearts 1.5 + 2.5 could absolutely run on Switch, Square Enix are just lazy and/or retarded. Also, the minimum requirements for a game aren't absolute, it's most likely just the lowest power machine they had in the office to test it on that ran the game.

>>713106628
You literally only need like a mid tier PC, or a PS4(or PS3) in some cases.

>>713126869
>this nigga think he's actually get RE9 on the switch 2
Lol lmao

>>713099594
>I refuse to pay $80 for a new game or $20 for essentially an overclocking/phone app DLC
You just answered yourself
>but I know I'm likely to buy one somewhere down the line anyway for bigger releases
If you don't mind leaving a console gathering dust for months or years, there would be no problem
many will do so with PS5 and Xbox Series when GTA 6 launches

>>713127030
It's a 5 year old game lmao

>>713095495 (OP)
I'll buy these games when they're fully on cart. These key cards being glorified digital downloads are fucking shit. What's the point of buying physical if I still have to download the game?

>>713118193
>Xeno2 BotW, Disgaea 5
Assuming I never played those games on any other platform. that is a terrific launch year for my taste.

>>713095495 (OP)
GTA6 is gonna kill the Switch 2 Momentum so much when it releases.

>>713098624
Why they charge $40 for the amiibos of these literal who's is completely mind boggling.

>>713119464
SF Alpha3 still look pleasing to the eye for me. more than SF6.

>>713097348
If I haven't played it yet, it's because I'm not interested in playing it.

>>713129705
>most devs don't get devkits
>cartridges have limited space and are very expensive for devs to buy
GOSH WHERE HAVE I HEARD THIS BEFORE

>>713138908
You really get cucked with key cards. You don't get the convenience of all digital, but you also don't get the full ownership or future ownership of a physical game. If you're going to buy a Switch 2 and you don't plan to pirate, then going all digital is really your only choice. I guarantee you Nintendo won't let you download those key card games decades down the road. They could revoke those games within the next five if they wanted to (in the US because that's illegal in bong land)

>>713127439
Not him, but these are pretty bold words considering that Ultra Street Fighter 2 was a big ticket item for the Switch precisely because they did only own a Switch and nothing more.

>>713095495 (OP)
>That fucking game key card banner takes up most of the box
Fucking disgusting

>>713135382
Does Nintendo just not care about the revenue they get from third party games or are they just huffing their own shit so hard from the last five years that they just take it for granted that it will be there for the Switch 2?

>>713140519
If history is any indicator in regards to how Nintendo handles transitioning out of a successful generation: the latter, in spades.

>>713140580
They're going to have to actually try this time or they're going to end up with a Wii U again. They can't just re-port the entire Switch library with upgrades to the Switch 2 for the next ten years.

I haven't bought it yet, but I guarantee you that we won't even get a new Smash. It will be Ultimate with an upgrade and more DLC

>>713140519
Probably thought they’d be locked in. Doubt this’ll kill their relationship with them as people seem to think

>>713140000
>I guarantee you Nintendo won't let you download those key card games decades down the road.
Checked, and also, you'll have people going "B-B-But it's available to download now, why would you wait that long?!" without realizing that it's not about the people of NOW, it's for future gens not being able to access one version of a game.

>>713141171
The Japan market is going to prevent them from losing total support, but the Switch 2 WILL hurt them there and scrape away some gains they slowly made with the Switch 1.

>>713138275
no, retard. They duck taped 1.5 and 2.5 around the CELL cpu which is why it is so ram hungry. The Switch 1 cannot run the collection because of the duck taped mess and that's all there is to it. Were SE lazy for not redoing a proper KH collection on the Switch? Yes. Because that collection that is on PC, Xbox, PS4/PS5 cannot run on the NSW and that's all there is to it.

>>713141207
We'll be on the Switch 7 by then, stop pretending that some gen beta kid is going to give two fucks about the Switch 2 in 2050

>>713125448
test

>>713141945
I'm talking about the games anon.

>>713132390
>>713095495 (OP)
Wasn't nintendo switch 2 supposed to save Japanese game from peril in 2025 and destroy Chinese games? due to having kusoges only like MH wilds, Yumia, Nightreign, while in 2024, Japanese game was so strong according to metascore... but switch 2 nailed coffin on Japanese game.
I JUST KILLED JAPANESE GAME WITH MAH' FUCKIN PRICE and KEYCARD, WAHOO!
Is Japanese game dead since switch 2 nailed the coffin? I thought switch 2 will destroy Chinkslops.
Was nintendo no match for Chinese games?