Thread 713116757

What made it so unique that other devs can't capture it's magic to this day?

Reapers.

>>713116757 (OP)
It’s actually Sci-fi.
Shame about the sequels.

Mass Effect is mid in nearly every regard desu. Really fun though.

>>713116757 (OP)
The sense of exploration, the codex, the music, the elevators, the many new alien species, the theatre styled dialogue system fully voiced but not shit, the planet and nova exploration, how real and believable it felt, and the fact that video gaming was extremely nice back then, before the fall

Why do autists love ME1 so much? It's drab, boring, sterile, dialogue is stilted and artifical, everything involving the Mako sucks ass. Sequels were much more fun.

First game was maybe not "groundbreaking" for 2007 but it was still better than any competition. It was kind of like Tolkien for sci-fi opera video games, the world building was a lot better than the actual gameplay

>>713117423
The gameplay is great actually. Not the dumbed down LE version though.

>>713116757 (OP)
Being a wholly original sci-fi world instead of being a Star Wars/Star Trek game. ME has good world building but otherwise is a pretty average RPG.

>>713117476
>here's gun +1 that looks and sounds exactly the same like the previous gun
gunplay was weak and boring, bad sounds too

>>713117476
The first game? What was good about that absolute garbage of broken "RPG" points mechanic with a shitty 3rd person shooter?

It's Reddit, another commie sci fi slop with athiest cosmology and multiculturalist propaganda. Even the first game is subversive and dogshit, with forced gameplay over cinematic slop about how humanity are the real monsters or some dogshit.

>>713117601
>>713117649
Extremely low IQ replies. Apply yourself.

>>713117981
So, what makes ME1 superior to the sequels?

>>713117817
You’ve literally never played it.

>>713118175
Yeah I'm a Christian I don't buy spaceslop space is fake.

>>713118210
God created space.

>>713118373
Not according to the Bible. Did death come before sin according to your secular söyentific protestant unitarian branch?

>>713117981
What did you like about the first mass effect that could not be replicated by the other games

>>713116757 (OP)
Rapers

>>713118462
Read Genesis, noob.

>>713117337
I feel like it's more that they're being disingenuous and making Mass Effect seem more than what it is usually as a means to put down ME2 in particular. 2 does a lot of things wrong, and I say this as someone who loves 2 despite it's flaws, but they willingly overlook issues in ME1 like gay inventory management, the constant copy pasting of unexplored worlds, and driving the mako on any steep hill or try and recontextualize them to be evidence of SOVL.

>>713118462
freemasonry rewriting history

all of those ideas are from the 80s

>>713118719
As opposed to ME2 that has no inventory, no exploration, and no vehicles, on top of terrible GoW-clone gameplay.

Mass Effect 1 was kusoge with the clone enemies in copy pasted environments saying the same line over and over. Mass Effect 2 is top-tier though.

>>713116757 (OP)
Made by sci fi autists for sci fi autists. Normalfags and EA ruined the series, and coincidentally sci fi games are nonexistent or gay now.

>>713116757 (OP)
Vast, alive and sexo.

>>713118719
Mass effect 1 just felt like really shit gameplay attached to very good worldbuilding, and then unfortunately the pendulum shifted the other way and we got overtly simplified RPG mechanics with a gears of war- esque gameplay

>>713119162
Mass Effect 2 has uncharted worlds missions too and they’re even worse.

>>713119510
At least they weren't the same 4 rooms copypasted over and over

>>713116757 (OP)
Nothing, it's a creatively bankrupt fusion of Star Wars and Star Trek.

ME1 main campaign was nice, but everything outside of that was boring and lame

>>713119565
Neck yourself. What a shit tier take. I am actually triggered.

>>713119565
This nigga has not watched Babylon 5

>>713119647
>Star Trek tech with Star Wars shit like biotics aka not-The Force and a lovecraftian enemy that seemingly returns periodically to destroy the current order of the galaxy, which Star Wars also did
And then you have shit like Asari which are just twi'leks with shorter tentacles.

>>713119852
Your mom is an Asari with shorter tentacles. Did ShitTrek invent the octopus too?

>>713119565
The only thing that they took from these franchises are sexy aliens and even then they turned the most popular alien race (asari) into lovecraftian horror that uses disguise to look appealing to other races

>>713116757 (OP)
Nothing
It is a dogshit 7th gen tps pretending to be rpg

>>713116757 (OP)
It was truly B5 in spirit, and B5 is pure soul.

ME games are one of those games were all the elements sorta work when put together but are mid or boring when looked at individually. I mean jsut loo kthe at eh story
>le ancient evil awakens
nothing to call home about, just like all the other elements, but put together they're fun

>>713120048
Mass Effect didn't have a single original idea, if it came out as a movie it would have flopped from how generic it is.

>>713117247
Mid what?

>>713119852
>lovecraftian enemy that seemingly returns periodically to destroy the current order of the galaxy, which Star Wars also did
Are you talking about Abeloth from EU? Or Star Wars has other similar entities?

>>713120123
But enough about Mass Effect 2.

>>713116757 (OP)
The writer who fleshed out the setting and lore wasn't a tourist.

why do people have such a hard time saying what makes ME1 better, more soulful, intelligent etc than it's sequels, whenever you want to know what exactly makes ME1 better, more soulful, intelligent etc you get vague passive aggressive replies and cricket noises

>>713120274
That one, there's other lovecraftian shit but Abeloth was literally what if the Reapers were one individual.

>>713120290
>me1 thread
>enough about me2
Are you retarded

>>713120527
Why are you so butthurt about it?

>>713120965
I just want to know what makes ME1 better than the sequels

>>713121034
Atmosphere and the only good villain in whole series (Illusive Man was decent in ME2 but ME3 completely fucked him) and that's kinda it

>>713121034
Listen, dumbfuck. If you ain't catching the vibe maybe it's just not for you. Time to move on.

>>713121034
Just play it? Or read any of the forum posts made in the last 18 years about it?
Here’s a hint: it wasn’t made by EA

>>713121275
I played it and liked ME2 and 3 better. In fact I play it every tiem I replay the trilogy for completeness sake but find it to be the most boring and incomplete feeling of the games.

>>713121558
Sorry I’m not a doctor so I can’t help with your brain damage.

>>713120843
Is this the new strategy when getting btfo'd, pretending not to understand? Kinda weak ngl.

>>713121247
>only good villain
Saren was so steretypically evil he just lacked a top hat and monocle, he kinda reminded me of General Grievous from the prequels. Sure there was the plot twist about him being indoctrinated, but the presentation of the character couldn't have been more stereotypical.

>>713118719
Reminder that /v/ calls jank "LUDOKINO PEAK SOVL." Everything bad about ME1 was good, because it was bad. Therefore, any corrections they made with ME2 were bad, since they bastardized peak gaming. ME3 is the best by virtue of it ruining all the progress made with ME2, angering the actual Mass Effect fanbase.
That's the core of the mentality: I'm miserable, so when someone else is miserable, I win.

>>713121874
>when getting *headcanon*
My laughter is cacophonous

>>713116757 (OP)
You were a kid with an undeveloped prefrontal cortex and reacted more easily to external stimuli. It's the same reason you probably ate at shitty fast food restaurants and thought they tasted good.
That's not to say that some video games were not actually better back then, but for the most part it's just you being nostalgic for a time when you were more easily entertained.
If you're ever interested in replicating this feeling, you cab try drinking alcohol while gaming, because what a surprise, alcohol suppresses your neurological activity and makes you dumber and more easily impressed.

>>713122675
TRVTH NVKE

>>713122675
AAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>713122675
this.
people will say the same things about fortnite in a decade

>>713122675
wtf based

>>713122675
Yeah that doesn’t hold up because I can play old games today and still enjoy them. Also embarrassing samefaggotry.

>>713122675
>I am too cerebral to enjoy things
That's epic man. Congrats on the big brain.

>>713120274
>Or Star Wars has other similar entities?
Yeah, her mom.

>>713122675
Holy mother of projection.

lmao red button
sorry Legion

How do I become as COOL as Kai Leng?

>>713116757 (OP)
>>713117423
You know now that I think about it, most vidya sci-fi settings after the 2000s are overly generic to the point of blandness. Star Citizen and Starfield, Outer Wilds, No Man's Sky, Titanfall - which, tries to be original with the mechs only to shy away from them by Apex Legends.
>>713120214
Everything about it is taken in part from either Babylon 5 or Star Trek (the devs even admitting the aesthetic is based on TMP era of 'Trek) but it presents them in a way that is refreshingly novel, especially in the medium of vidya. You're not going to confuse ME for any of its inspirations.

Why do people hate driving in the Mako? It's so fun to jump and bounce around.

>>713117247
Mid 9? Sure

>>713116757 (OP)
Nothing. Like every space sci-fi medium ever, it sucks and the setting was sterile and boring. Space Sci-fi media all sucks as a setting.

>>713124336
Because of those stupid planets with needle-like mountains.

>>713116757 (OP)
no other game made one cancer infected autist write 500.000 words analysing it concluding that not the ending of 3 made it bad, but actually Mass Effect 2 was everything that ruined it in the long run

>>713125116
>but actually Mass Effect 2 was everything that ruined it in the long run
That was obvious to anyone who just played it though.
It completely butchered not only the writing from the first game, but also core gameplay mechanics. ME2 didn't even have any reason to exist in the trilogy. It doesn't further the overall story arc in any meaningful way. It's just trash some executives pushed out to try to copy the popularity of Gears of War.

>>713125296
No.
Mass Effect is mediocre, both as a game and as a setting.
Patently provable by the fact that simply taking the races and force powers, and putting them wherever, failed remarkably, and nobody cared.
Mass Effect 2 is the only good and important game in the franchise. It actually is the game that turned Mass Effect into a franchise, rather than just a sequel to a mediocre starting point.

>>713125510
>the collectors are actually the important ones in the story
lol, lmao

>>713125296
I agree

>>713123876
kek, hitting that ol' Renegade interrupt as if it's gonna fix how they did Legion dirty. Dude deserved better than being turned into space Alexa with a martyr complex.

>>713120427
It's this above all else. There was a well read hard scifi fan on the team. There are very few of those both involved in video game writing and senior enough to run the show on a project.

>>713125296
I was hoping ME3 would be better and conclude the trilogy on a strong note. Haha.

Everything went to shit in my life after ME3, it can't be a coincidence.

>>713121247
>Illusive Man was decent in ME2
My problem with this character was that his power to control Shepard felt unearned. In ME1 the game gives you the choice to all powers that be to fuck off, you proceed as you please. Then instantly in ME2 you're saddled with this character who apparently can order around Shepard to the point that there is no option to even try to resist him in the game. It felt all wrong to me. The entire death/resurrection thing at the beginning of the game was poorly timed and poorly executed.

Can we talk about how ME3 has been engoodened? I mean this was basically the most hated thing in gaming when it came out but Redditors love it now and it's their favorite in the trilogy. What the fuck even changed?

>>713127006
The end color filters got a little animation going to explain what the fuck they actually mean. It changes everything.

>>713122675
I was 24 when ME1 released. It remains my favorite game in the series.

>>713127006
>but Redditors love it now
Industry is so shit rn that even stuff like ME3, Fallout 3/4, Mafia 3 and other bad games look good in comparison.

>>713125510
>Mass Effect 2 is the only good and important game in the franchise
the real problem with mass effect is it's been out so long that people are desperate enough for contrarian takes that they say ridiculous shit like this.

>>713116757 (OP)
People may criticise ME2 all they want but you can't deny that it's the most epic game in franchise (with best ending as well)

>>713127434
The collectors suck ass. Cool visual at the end tho.

>>713127434
Virmire-Ilos-Citadel is vastly superior to Suicide Mission.

>>713127526
>Virmire-Ilos-Citadel is vastly superior to Suicide Mission.
In terms of spectacle, direction and choices Suicide Mission is way better

>>713127434
the ending was one of the worst aspects of mass effect 2. people criticize it for being irrelevant to the main plot (which it is) but this could be forgiven. most of the squad had decent arcs and their stories and missions were fine in their own right. good filler is okay for a series like mass effect. that's what the people who like 2 like about it. the ending is where they wrote themselves into a corner with the repear advent and the retarded human larvae thing, stifling any creativity that could have been had in 3. Shepard and crew being surprised when the reapers are making human juice from the colony abductions was easily the biggest eyeroll in the entire series

>>713127526
Suicide Mission™ was another unearned story beat. They kept calling it a suicide mission. It's never adequately built up in such a way that demonstrates why it's supposed to be so dangerous in comparison to other missions or why it must be approached in this specific way that makes it a suicide mission. Then you play it and find all that build up was bullshit anyway. Very unsatisfactory. Very cheap.

>>713118210
>Yeah I'm a Christian
no, you're a larper

>>713127718
Nah. Suicide Mission is a completely solved gimmick level against a weak antagonist. It's all style, zero substance and only hits on a first playthrough.
In comparison, the choice between Ashley and Kaidan, the Saren conversations, the Sovereign dialogue, the Vigil reveals, the space battle at the Citadel, the actual good gameplay sections with actual combat instead of gimmick ventilation buttons and bubble shield shit, the zero G battle on the Citadel, Saren an heroing, all of it is 10x more iconic and impactful than the Suicide Mission and its human terminator reaper crap.

>>713122675
/thread

>>713117817
>athiest
Atheism doesn't contradict divine existences, and Christianity isn't all there is anyway.

Dr. Chocolates

>>713122675
You can't unironically enjoy things? So much for "development".

>>713117817
>knife ears
>imago dei
pick one larper

>>713123450
Yog's daughteru, eh?

stop talking bad things about ME2/3 all right? i'll never have something similar with the same characters so might as well love it despite its bad shit

>>713116757 (OP)
I really liked the Paragon/Renegade systems for the most part. I don't want to be some cartoonishly evil dickhead just murderhobo'ing the whole game, but a ruthless prick that gets shit done is right up my alley.

>>713127006
Reddit is a fucking cesspool and you'll literally get banned for saying anything negative about ME3 or MEA.

>>713125647
Story importance doesn't matter, because the Reaper plot is weak to begin with, and evidently a bad one to begin with.
ME2 could have been a standalone game with a plot and setting of its own, but with the same cast and it would have been great as well.
ME1 and ME3 are mediocre games.

>>713129139
I still love the trilogy as a whole. it's just the they never replicated the feeling of unraveling the mystery, chasing saren and learning about the protheans, the reapers, and the galaxy. even the uncharted planets, though they almost always ended with a cookie cutter dungeon, achieved that scifi wonder vibe that no man's sky and starfield would attempt years later

>>713129465
ME1's story and plot are great and BTFO 2.
What universe are you living in nigga, even 2 fans admit the main story in 2 is garbage.

>>713127374
Mass Effect isn't a franchise.
Mass Effect and Alpha Protocol are in the same tier.
Ambitious ideas, lacking in execution.
Mass Effect had the luck of releasing three years earlier.
Alpha Protocol had the misfortune of releasing after Mass Effect 2.
Mass Effect 2 is the only good game in the franchise.

>>713129609
alpha protocol is a noticeably buggy mess
mass effect is like butter

>>713129609
>Mass Effect and Alpha Protocol are in the same tier.

>>713127006
the dlc and extended cut fixed a lot with the story. to be clear it's still a bandaid but it's as good a bandaid as you could make within the disastrous confines of the original. usually overlooked but should also be credited was the great free multiplayer dlc they released over the first year. great maps, classes, weapons, even an additional enemy set. fixed mass effect 3 is the ng razor's edge of western games: remarkably good damage control that fixed a serious turd

>>713129609
>more unserious conjecture
what was the point of typing all that? are you happy with yourself

>>713116757 (OP)
Mass Effect is just a more actiony Star Trek TNG and I fucking love TNG.

>>713129465
>the Reaper plot is weak to begin with, and evidently a bad one to begin with

You are either a massive fucking dullard or a simpleton that does not fully comprehend the concept of the Reapers. Regardless, it sounds like you have a shallow interest in the games to the point its a wonder why you are even posting about it other than you can.

I didn't lose both my arms and legs on akuze to listen to you guys badmouth humans

>>713130654
Shepard?

>>713129139
Based

>>713130654
I don't blame anyone for the loss of my legs. Some chinaman took them from me in Korea.
Also, Mass Effect 2 was the peak of the series. Cope and seethe.

>>713116757 (OP)
OST and ATMOSPHERE
Mass Effect had a Cosmos (the og by Carl Sagan) bling to it that the other games in the franchise couldn't hold a candle to.
It had a legit sense of mistery that stemed from visuals, text and music.

>>713116757 (OP)
>unique
It wasn't unique. It was a bioware game, they made basically one game with minor iterations and updates.
Mass Effect was a big 360 exclusive, and they pumped a lot of money into hyping it up. It plays a little weird because it was still designed like a rtwp game like all of their other games, but when you have machine guns it has a little jank to it that gives it character.
Its also got some pretty solid semi-grounded sci-fi lore if you read the codex entries. They also always made the game with the idea of making a trilogy.
Then EA bought them out, and while 2 wasn't a bad game, and fixed some things, the writing was on the wall.

>>713116757 (OP)
Don’t really care about the setting I just really liked abusing enemies with biotic powers

>>713134124
>magic user

>>713134152
But magic is gay, biotics on the other side is cool and lets me shoot a guy in the dick multiple times before I biotic charge him out of the air while his other buddies are still floating awaiting the same fate

>>713134384
Just shoot him 5 times in a row in the head and keep moving.

>>713134452
That’s not as fun though

>>713121034
For me it was a few specific reasons. Mainly that it felt you were actually apart of the human military. Later titles it felt more like Shepard and his gang of misfits rather than him being a soldier. Paragon route in ME1 had Shepard feeling like Picard while the Renegade route was more Han Solo-esq. Later titles made Paragon more generic good guy and Renegade was comically an asshole.

The stakes were smaller at the beginning which made everything feel a little more relaxed. Plus the music and visuals made it feel surreal. It's by far my favourite entry. I also didn't mind ME3, I get the hate don't get me wrong but I liked it. I didn't feel like it was an insult to the fans as many claim.

>>713128798
*uncorks Serrice Ice Brandy*

>>713129789
>Babylon enjoyer
>Correct opinion
Like clockwork

>>713136105
She's worth it.

>>713129570
>ME1's story and plot are great
>Ancient evil awakens
>Great
Sure.
Whatever you say.

>>713129784
Irrelevant.

>>713129789
Yes, they are.

>>713130221
Extremely.
How are you doing today?
>>713130501
>You are either a massive fucking dullard or a simpleton that does not fully comprehend the concept of the Reapers.
I comprehend the concept of the Reapers, and it is why it is weak. I'm glad your lovecraftian eldritch horror shit, but kilometer long invulnerable space death squids are a terrible enemy to fight in a TPS/RPG, because you can't fight them, when you're just a gnat with a shotgun by comparison. We're not playing Shadow of the Colossus, and even that handled it better.

>>713137058
Just because you identified a trope doesn't mean the story is bad. It also doesn't mean you're smart.

>>713136398
Indeed.

>>713137246
Use more gun, duh.

>>713137246
Yeah that's crazy man, go play another Stealth + Chain shot run. Maybe kill Marburg in Rome this time to keep it fresh.

>>713116757 (OP)
Butt shots during dialogue

>>713137267
You haven't even said why the ME2 plot is bad, and I humored you. Now you're saying a played out trope, that been done a billion times, and a billion times better isn't even an issue, when it is the series biggest issue. The Reapers didn't work as villains. ME3 patently says so. Which is why you fight Cerberus for 90% of the game.

>>713137413
>>Use more gun, duh.
Add more dakka. Why didn't Hackett think of that?

>>713137489
>>713137267

>>713137551
They didn't have guns cool enough.

>>713137452
Yeah. Alpha Protocol is one of my top 10 games, because of the choices and replayability. But it is arguably outdated since before the day it came out. So is ME1.

>>713137489
The shit that happens after 1 has no bearing on 1.

>>713137565
Non argument, concession accepted.

>>713137626
What if we painted them red, and added flames to them? Do you know how fast those bullets would go? Even more FTL.

>>713137676
The shit that happens before and after ME2 have no bearing on ME2, then. I don't see what the point of this argument is.

>>713137780
I never said anything about other games affecting the quality of ME2's story, are you arguing with some imaginary person?

>>713134152
You know, this insult doesn't work when you take the word gay literally.
Magic really is joyful.
Just sayin'

>>713137850
No, I'm just trying to figure out the angle of your argument, because that specific argument is a non-argument. It proves nothing and doesn't forward the conversation.

>>713137709
It'd work, but wouldn't some other color work better. Red was speed, if I recall it correctly.

>>713137961
You were saying that the reapers were bad and the proof is in ME3, but ME3 has nothing to do with ME1 and wasn't even written by the same people. Try to follow along better next time.

>>713137992
I mean, the entire point of ftl propelled grains of sand is that the faster the move, the greater the kinetic energy that needs to be dissipated, and therefore the greater the impact. So faster bullet would make more damage.

>>713116757 (OP)
>de-licensed star wars slop
it was never good. it was just your first WRPG

>>713138049
>You were saying that the reapers were bad and the proof is in ME3, but ME3 has nothing to do with ME1
I can see that point, I guess. ME3 is responsible for being a good game in itself, and it just isn't. You can't make a game about the Reaper War and have Shepard fight Kai Leng and Cerberus mooks for 70% of the time. That's patently not a Reaper War game. You fought more Reapers in ME2. You fought a hell of a lot more Reapers in ME1.

Are all the ME threads since 2012 exactly the same?
Waifufags and complaining.

>>713138109
True that.

>>713116757 (OP)
None of them are really trying to make a Bioware-like RPG though. They would have to do this first before we can judge how they compare.

>>713138374
That's current meaning, not the archaic one.
It was used in poetry in the past, you know.

>>713116757 (OP)
They launched in day when 3rd person cover based shooter is on the peak hype, also there are literally no RPG set is spessh with space travel element that can capture the feeling of star wars. Also the good blend between cinematic and fully voiced dialogue, and they're really setting a bar for good spessh rpg

>>713127318
Fallout 3 wasn't bad, unless you're a NMAfag

>>713138456
>the past
Ok, boomer.

>>713116757 (OP)
what's magic?

>>713138456
nta and you're right
The whole reason the word became associated with homosexuality was the idea that homos were spiritually free and happy enough to partake in that dionysian revelry
Maybe it's kind of a shame that it's only used to refer to homosexuality now. The word itself is light and easy on the tongue!

>>713116757 (OP)
microsoft saying "haha, don't fuck this up, no really i'm serious" to bioware

>>713116757 (OP)
https://voca.ro/1nAaBK36AWrw

>>713116757 (OP)
There are some attempts

>>713137489
>You haven't even said why the ME2 plot is bad, and I humored you
It's been explained thoroughly for literally years. If you can't understand at this point it's just an iq issue on your part. You could try explaining why you think 2 is good, but 3, which was forced to work in the confines 2 created, was bad. However considering this thread has gone on for this long and you haven't yet posted anything constituting an argument, I'm not going to stay and wait.

>>713138897
You good bro?

>>713138919
Hottake
I don't think The Expanse is a good video game setting, and neither is Exodus.

>>713137780
>The shit that happens before and after ME2 have no bearing on ME2, then
patently false

>>713138974
>It's been explained thoroughly for literally years
Do it again, then.

> If you can't understand
What if I disagree for my own reasons?

>>713117817
this

>>713138991
Owlcat is known to take liberties with their adapted content at least.

>>713116757 (OP)
okish but more interactive movie than actual rpg

>>713138897
>dude like you know dude like dude
My face is tired.

>>713139048
>patently false
You are not part of the argument, then.
Also, why does ME1 get a free pass, according to the previous statement to the one you're quoting, but not ME2 and ME3? If the foundation is exempted, why do the follows have to carry any blame, if the foundation is wrong? When an apartment building crumbles from an Earthquake, you don't put the blame on the third floor, but at the foundation. At the same time, each game has to carry its own weight, and ME2 does that better than any other game in the franchise, according to audiences and critics.

There's no talent in the video game industry anymore, it's all careerists, nepo babbies and DEI hires.

>>713139189
I'm not familiar with Owlcat games, wouldn't know, don't particularly care. The Expanse had some good books and three good seasons of television. Then it went to shit. It's potential is limited and has been exhausted, I believe. I don't see the games doing anything actually meaningful to the setting, or creative enough.
Not that ME can do better, let alone from this Bioware.

>>713137780
>The shit that happens before and after ME2 have no bearing on ME2

What happens before ME2 has bearing on it, retard, because it's a sequel. If it does a bad job dealing with the story it inherited then it's a shit sequel storywise.

>>713138989
>>713139225
https://voca.ro/1axSNQtyYcGJ

>>713138919
>Syfy original series
I sleep.

>>713139509
Then you have to make an argument why making the final enemy of the franchise to be hundreds of thousands of invulnerable kilometer long death space squids, when you're one guy with a shotgun. This isn't R-Type. The foundation is rotten, it has always been rotten and it only works for one game, and if you don't think too much about the implications. The Reapers are the worst possible villains for such a game.

>>713139054
>burns down entire first games setup for a glorified side mission story with no overall effect on the plot
>almost the entire story between 1 and 3 can be ignored
>forces you to join a terrorist faction, makes the story ridiculous with nonsense resurrection technology, and turns almost everyone in the alliance (Anderson, etc) retarded all to service the dumb terrorist plotline

that's just scratching the surface

>>713139713
NTA
But Mass Effect 2 is amazing if you take it as a stand alone.
Honestly I don't think they had a plan for the trilogy beyond the first game.

>>713116757 (OP)
It wasn't unique. Everything it did was from Kotor

>>713139695
>Then you have to make an argument why making the final enemy of the franchise

That's a fine setup, retard, the actual problem was that ME2 spent no time dealing with the issue so the plot to ME3 had to be a bunch of asspulls.

ME2 could have set up something like the Catalyst, but it didn't, that's because ME2 is a glorified side mission not a proper sequel.
>>713139796
It's a good game but a shit sequel

If it had just been a tie in game to the series and cut out all the main missions and DLC it would have been great.

>>713139713
The side mission is better than the plot
Good
Everyone in the alliance and the council was retarded in ME1, too and Cerberus were the only semi-competent people, even at the expense of losing most of their staff at every attempt, because half their shit actually worked.
Everyone at Bioware have said that the Resurrection technology was so incredibly, ridiculously, stupidly expensive and had to be so tailor made that it would be basically impossible to recreate. Even in game, the facility, the data, and even the person behind it all die, making it lost technology. It is irrelevant to everything except the original shock value of Shepard dying. You can't even bring him back after failing the Suicide Mission, in spite of already having done that once. So they can't even do it again on the same person. It is irrelevant.
Why would you not want to work for Cerberus? I'd work for Cerberus. Your mom, too.

>>713139836
It's actually pretty funny
Kotor 1 was Bioware and Kotor 2 was Obsidian
But Kotor 2 has a space station called the Citadel and a couple other things that seemed to show up in ME1
To the point where I wonder if Kotor 2 was based on notes and plans Bioware had for a sequel, which they instead used for ME

>>713139985
Maybe ME3 just sucks, broseph.

>>713140026
Cerberus is so fucking cool

>>713139985
>That's a fine setup, retard,
No, it's not and you've not made an argument of why it is.

>ME2 could have set up something like the Catalyst, but it didn't,
The Catalyst was terrible. Why should ME2 do terrible things? Even if you set it up in ME2, that doesn't change how it was executed, and set up doesn't fix execution. The Reapers are set up in ME1 and they are executed terribly in ME3. So what good is to set up something that is terrible?

>>713140090
Better than the council, the alliance, Aria's thugs, the mercenaries and arguably the Reapers.
And I hate Cerberus. They're the best thing in Mass Effect.

Imagine you are a writer
How would you have tied up the plot with the Reapers?

>>713140280
I would have had Shepard go SSJ15 and punch Harbinger through the butt.

>>713140232
Genetically engineered perfect Aussie girlfriend technology

>>713140026
>Everyone in the alliance and the council was retarded in ME1, too

The alliance was on top of things, it was the council that was incompetent.

>Cerberus were the only semi-competent people,

Holy shit you never played ME1, they were retarded and accomplished nothing in ME1 aside from killing as many humans as possible with zero.

>>713140056
and so does ME2

>>713140341
The first thing I'd do as head of Cerberus, is Miranda.

>>713140373
>>The alliance was on top of things, it was the council that was incompetent.
We're just giving free passes now?

>>Holy shit you never played ME1, they were retarded and accomplished nothing in ME1 aside from killing as many humans as possible with zero.
Zero what? I think Cerberus is just really good at cleaning up after themselves.

>>713140457
please get better taste in art

>>713116757 (OP)
It was completely unremarkable and derivative, but there wasn't much in the specific niche of space adventure causing it to blow up.

>>713140605
Does art include video games?

>>713140635
Idk. It did have an interesting aesthetic.
Fiction-wise it was pretty derivative, but I can't really think of anything else that looks quite like Mass Effect.

>>713140797
Not even Mass Effect looks like Mass Effect, after Andromeda.

>>713140797
>interesting aesthetic.
it looked like halo honestly, but all those 06-07 vidya future cities looked like that.

>>713140984
What's Andromeda? Is this like a visual novel spinoff?

>>713141085
Some parody shit.

>bioware game, in space
sold

>>713141165
What the fuck is that omni-tool? Jesus, what a disgrace.

>>713141038
Sure looks like Halo in places, but all the tech, the folding guns, the omni-tool, the way the ships and everything is designed, is completely its own thing.
Comes more into its own in ME2.

>>713141165
>bioware actually tried to throw chuds a bone with the female turian
too little too late

the Geth are fucking cool
these games are COOL

>>713141747
oh yeah, the geth are cool
quarians arent

>>713141634
Race traitors deserves bullets, not bones.

>>713140605
She at least doesn't look like a goblin.

>>713141793
That's because Quarians are HOT

>>713142243
on quarian is hot, the rest are space gypsies

>>713142243
Mine was so hot, it spontaneously combusted.

>>713142370
>how it feels to bathe in your sacred river (it's full of viruses and you're a quarian)

>>713128461
To atheists space is heaven so youre not wrong but its entirely contradictory to christianity unless youre catholic and say certain books are 'mytholigical' as excuse to repurpose scripture.

>>713142370
Ew don't show gameplay of that horrid EA product

>>713142552
Morning War best day of my life.

>>713142892
Never happened.

>>713116757 (OP)
ME1>sci-fi with RPG
ME2>Sci-fi with squad based combat, and less RPG
ME3>Sci-fi Choose the Dew edition
this series came out during a crazy transition in gaming, I remember 2 and 3 being heavily combative with other big titles as it usually dropped around the holidays

>>713143973
Honestly, ME1 was dudebro tier as well.

>>713144632
Dudebro was just the time. It wathn't conthidered tokthik to be mathculine.

>>713144632
2000's was the era of dude bro stuff though, so many games took that approach you couldnt escape it. there were only 2 dudes to be bros with in the game until 2 tbf

>/v/ claims franchise is good
>it died in three games and has 0 cultural or industry relevance

>>713144719
>>713144870
I'm not complaining, I like Mass Effect, but the idea that it's some heady hard sci-fi series is a little silly.

>>713144987
not sure how many oldfags are here besides me but 2 and 3 were a majority of the threads on this board when it came out and for the months that followed cause of the choose your ending copout. it only died recently cause andromeda was such a dumpsterfire, i doubt anyone is anticipating ME4

>>713116757 (OP)
Creating a deep fictional universe that could realistically exist literally can't be made today as wokies will complain about people not ideologically aligning with them, when one of the things that make an intriguing universe is conflict between different ideologies.

>>713145109
Oh, I agree. It's not art, but it's fun and just good enough to work well.

More of a fan of the Jade Empire setting, but ME is cool to would love if someone tried to get a similar setting going.

>>713144632
dudebros were the ones whining incessantly about the inventory and the Mako. filtering normalfags is the truest mark of RPG.

>>713145136
I'll play 4 out of morbid (but slightly optimistic) curiosity. It may take long enough to finish that the winds will have shifted enough. Drew Karpyshyn is getting an interest in vidya writing again, so he might be called in to wrangle the story.

>>713119852
Reapers are literally just The Borg when they were first introduced before Star Trek turned them into a loser non-threat.

>>713144987
>no influence
>literally every single modern rpg uses their dialogue system
L
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>>713146101
describe the mechanics of the dialog system

>>713122018
He's not stereotypically evil. He thinks he's doing what it takes to save intelligent life in the face of a seemingly insurmountable threat. I guess you can say misguided villains who think they're doing the right thing is stereotypical but that's different.

>>713116757 (OP)
A very autistic attention to detail that was lost when they moved onto ME2 and made it an action-shooter first and an RPG second.

>>713117817
Posts like these are bots right?

>>713146504
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>>713145162
I'm not saying it's not art, I'm saying it's dudebro tier sci-fi

>>713137489
Because killing Shepard so you can reset and tell the story you want to tell is lazy sequel writing

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