Thread 713119292

>destroys the steam deck making it obsolete
>play at 7" 900p with better quality than the steam dick's 800p
>VRR so games feel buttery smooth unlike the steam dick
>80WH battery so no copes about muh efficiency or duh steam deck battery life

It's going to kill it, I'm sorry. Its going to be the best handheld.

>b-b-buh muh price
Just wait until it goes down to $600 on the refurb market and wallah its better than the deck oled in every way

>>713119292 (OP)
Microsoft is not someone who I will ever buy a console or handheld from in my life.

you know what, sure, believe all that.

with all the massive Ls xbox has had lately you need a glimmer of hope

hope it works out for you, but probably won't because windows is shit

>>713119292 (OP)
>refurb market

>new hardware makes old hardware obsolete
>anon just uncovered this marvelous concept for the first time
Console gamer, huh?

>windows
Eww

>>713119583
The steam deck costs $600 right now for a decent screen, and it can't even play elden ring at 800p30fps high settings. It has to be all low and then it just barely gets 35-40fps.

Imagine actually defending that shit.

Even the z1 extreme on the rog ally which is available for $380 on ebay, Even it can play at 900p low/medium mixed settings 55-65 FPS with VRR with a MUCH better full gamut 100% SRGB screen VS the LCD deck's pathetic 55% SRGB screen. That's if we want to talk about price comparisons.

>>713119292 (OP)
>no trackpads
no thanks

>>713119292 (OP)
>No trackpads
>Dogshit xbox stick layout
Pass

>>713119292 (OP)
Big if true specifically if it has to handle the OS on top of all that.

>>713119819
>>713119831
>no trackpads
Most games support controllers luddite.

Also it has gyro for aiming if you really need to be precise.

You do know that you can setup trigger gyro activation, right?

>>713119547
>>713119758
>>713119982
is reddit down?

>>713119982
I like options. If I want to play shit not in stores like starsector or roguelikes that have keyboard heavy input I can do that ez on deck. This might be a good hand held if I can at least plug steamos instead of microsoft dogshit

>>713119982
how do I play OSRS with thumbsticks or click on youtube videyas
get real

>>713119292 (OP)
>Installs SteamOS on it

>>713119292 (OP)
>wallah
Voilà, moron.

>>713119292 (OP)
That's cool.

Still using my steam deck though.

>>713119292 (OP)
>destroys the steam deck making it obsolete
this is a bad thing
a standardized steam deck enviroment forces developers' hand into optimizing their games for lower-end hardware
this thing will instead give devs expectation that hardware will just keep rapidly advancing so it's fine if they can't play it now, in 10 years rog bog xbox dog 64000 will easily crunch boobies of light 5 at 720p 24fps so no need to bother
and that is exactly what microsoft is doing with this one, they are pissing in steam's cereal
and they also very deliberately didn't include any touchpads or gyro, to further consolify the pc space

>>713119292 (OP)
>wallah
opinion discarded

If people start threads about their new thingy (from Nintendo, Xbox, Sony) being better than Steam Deck, guess who the winner is? It is literally living rent free in your and your fav's companies heads.

>>713120428
>and they also very deliberately didn't include any touchpads or gyro, to further consolify the pc space
LET'S HERE IT AGAIN FOR THE CLOWNS FOLKS

>>713119292 (OP)
>windows
>no track pads

>>713119292 (OP)
Yes but its microjew so its just as bad as ninpedo
(Gotta love the buzzwords)

>>713120621
By the way YES, I am saying that we could have had Gyro standard in controllers in fucking 2005.

>>713120428
you think devs optimize their junk for steam deck?
lol?

>>713120621
>putting the touchpad somewhere useless for most games
this pisses me off so much
they had it figured out with the vita and its back touchpad, quite a few games used it and in every one of them it was comfortable and intuitive, much more so than poking the screen with a pair of fingers that you already use for a dozen buttons and two sticks
but no, let's keep putting it on the front and make it useless

>>713120826
Nip devs do, and it's annoying.
Sometimes you have to set a -SteamDeck (CASE FUCKING SENSITIVE SOMETIMES, TOO BY THE WAY) and games will run way way better on Linux.

>>713120826
They do. Stellar Blade developers specifically named the Steam Deck when announcing their PC port. I asked a Japanese game developer on Twitter if he know it will be able to be played on Steam Deck, he answred with a video if his game being played on Steam Deck.

>>713120826
yes, actually
if the game is optimized for deck, it'll be marked as such, so games that got it will be more likely to be bought by those who bought steam deck- or one of many portables on the same chipset

>>713119292 (OP)
>80WH battery
imagine the weight.
Macbook 16 despite pushing the slim meme, weight 2.2 KG for simply putting 99.9 Wh battery

>>713119292 (OP)
I already have an OLED ‘eck. I’m just gonna stick to it since it works perfectly and plays almost everything
But I hope you enjoy your purchase

>>713121018
>Stellar Blade developers specifically named the Steam Deck when announcing their PC port.
OH NONONONONNONO

>>713119292 (OP)
>no trackpads
Ummm yikes sweaty

here is your optimized and Verfied game on steam deck LMAO
and this is on ue4 not 5 lel

>>713120826
AC Shadows has a specific optimization set made for it.

>>713121095
The entire steam deck verification system is a scam.

Elden ring is "verified" yet drops below 30fps regularly at 800p low settings LMAO. Yea it can reach up to 40fps but not in boss battles.

It's a scam for $600. Just buy the new xbox rog ally X

>>713119292 (OP)
no trackpads no buy. How am i supposed to rim world without trackpads

>>713121481
>specific optimization
and what's that?
hyper low settings? lol

>>713119292 (OP)
>Rog Xbox Ally uses the same fucking chip as the Steam Deck's custom one but made to be off-the-shelf
>cost $700 or $800 vs the Steam Deck's $400
>Rog Xbox Ally X will cost over $1000 with the Z2 Extreme
>Xbot shills believe people will buy this trash with shitty Windows over the Steam Deck with SteamOS which is still sold out, btw
Xbots are becoming worse than Snoys, at this point.

>>713121562
Whatever it takes to maintain 30 FPS.

>>713121369
Good enough, I've seen worse on PSP.

>>713119292 (OP)
>windows
>asus
>no trackpads
>big and heavy
>xbox stick layout
>costs as much as a deck and a switch 2 combined
>zog ally

>>713121514
>Just buy the new xbox rog ally X
The one that literally has the Deck OLED's CPU?

>>713121603
Steam deck can't even play big games like elden ring at 800p60fps.

It can only play doom 2016 which every PC runs doom 2016 well because its well optimized. For those games that need extra power the deck just cant even handle 30fps in a lot of cases. It's a scam

>>713120826
Yes, and if you think that's it, wait until the Steam Deck 2, the level of optimization that will get will be insane due to it being able to handle ray tracing and ai upscaling while having enough performance to pull 60FPS.

>>713119292 (OP)
>Asus
No thanks. I refuse to deal with a company that has virtually no customer support.

>>713119292 (OP)
>900p
Do poors really settle for this?

>>713121745
But you are trying to sell a console that has the Deck's CPU

>>713119292 (OP)
it's obsolete before it even releases because it doesn't have an oled screen. I lost all interest in getting it when I saw that

>>713119292 (OP)
>just buy a dicked sally with no trackpads
>who cares about power efficiency just dump battery on it lol
>it'll cost half the retail price in two weeks, trust the plan
Does it hurt being a stupid nigger, stupid nigger?

>>713121745
You do know that when Microsoft starts optimizing that shit on the Rog Xbox Ally with the Z2A, that will lead to optimization on the Steam Deck, right since it's the same chip? Microsoft is literally helping Valve fuck them over, again.

does anyone have the legion go? ive heard their support is garbage. i wanna get a legion go 2, but if their drivers are bad and they don't have good product support then there's no point. unless steamos works well on it?

>>713121930
oled on release would cost way too much for sure

>>713119292 (OP)
>higher res than the Deck while having the same processing power
>and running windows which eats RAM like nothing
>no trackpads
No thanks.

>>713121745
>Doom "16 looks better than most AAA titles from the last decade
>runs on Deck
>so does RDR2
No excuse. Name and shame shitty devs, don't say "oh it's a big game, it's fine that it can't run on hardware that easily runs bigger better games". It's a shit game by shit devs.

>>713120905
The worst part about sony controllers is they removed select too, and because it's in such a fucked useless place, most of the time the touchpad is just a bigass select button.

Honestly, it's the consumer-friendliness that is really endearing me to the Deck
>be wondering about installing Windows on my Deck, think it's gonna be a nightmare requiring some workarounds for locked hardware or basically "jailbreaking"
>fricking Valve has a "So here's how you install Windows on your Deck" webpage
But yeah, if it could run games a little better and be able to connect 8 controllers at once for EVERY couch coop that supports that many players, that would be cool

>>713121018
no one is optimizing games for the deck
AT BEST they'll just name one of the low graphic presets "steam deck" and call it a day, but none of them is actually going to tweak the game beyond what you can already do by just changing the graphic settings, it's not optimization

>>713122193
Dunno about your setup, but as long as I don't have a hard drive plugged into the dock, I don't really have a problem connecting 4 controllers at once.
The one time I did was because I lowered the default TDP to 4w or something since KH1 played fine with it like that which made the bluetooth adapted kinda shit itself

>>713122047
You can use 900P retard its the exact same screen size as the deck at 7"

It's 16:9 so no black bars

>>713119292 (OP)
We'll see what it cam do when it drops but as it stands now...
>Have a steam deck for normal handheld gaming and starting to warm up to Linux.
>For any windows stuff that proton couldn't run I go a Lenovo Legion Go which had detachable switch like controllers 2 USB C ports and a trackpad.
Unless this thing can do all the Raytracing bells and whistles, seems kinda like a shittier Legion Go.

>>713119292 (OP)
>AMD video chip
>Windows

>>713122531
False, AC Shadows for example on minimum doesn't run as well as the preset it uses by default.

>>713122553
adapter
I'm missing a lot of blood

>>713122193
Controllers are wireless these days.

>>713119292 (OP)
>Just sell your soul to M$
no thanks. I'll wait for steam deck 2. Deck 1 will last me for at least 2 more years no problem.

>>713122564
Now tell me why I would buy this when it has the exact same CPU as the Deck.

>>713121634
>Good enough
you subhumans are much worse than console players

>>713122620
that's just a preset that goes even lower than minimum graphics because they'd be too embarrassed to sell that to real pc gamers as a "playable" setting

>>713122843
And it maintains 30 FPS at any moment, sounds like it's optimized

does steamOS work well on any handheld pc now?

>>713119292 (OP)
none of that matters because it doesn't sport the built in Steam Controller the Deck
>but no one uses them-
I do faggot

>>713122975
First party support for Legion Go and that's it

>>713122553
8 controllers. I can get 4 but I want more for Gang Beasts.

>>713119758
Playing latest AAA games on a handheld is retarded.

>>713122907
funny how 30fps has been a joke for decades, and in 2025 decktroons are defending it with sub 800p and less than potato graphics

>>713123256
Oh I more meant taht like yuo could try mre controller with dcok

>>713119292 (OP)
>Windows 11
lmao, sure thing bud

>>713122708
It doesnt the Z2 extreme AI or whatever the fuck its called is way faster than the deck OLED lmao. It has 8 cores instead of the shitty 4 core on the deck oled.

Even the Z1 extreme plays at near 60fps 900p

Cope retard

>>713119292 (OP)
I'm pretty hyped for it as someone who has the original ROG Ally. There's really no reason to own a Switch 2 this gen

>>713121369
looks good on a small screen

>>713122735
If I can experience gameplay at full speed, I don't mind polygonal titties.

>>713124339
the problem is that deck screen isn't small lol
small was psp screen

>>713119292 (OP)
Is this OLED?
No?
Then no, thanks.

>>713121018
So steam deck is holding back gaming

>>713124556
this
idk why anyone would get an lcd handheld
looks like fucking shit
phone screens are better for fucks sake

>>713124635
was obviously meant for >>713124548

>>713124491
>psp screen was 4.3 inches in an era when even the biggest phones had 2.8 inch screens
>dick's screen is 7.4 in an era when you'll be hard-pressed to find a phone with a screen smaller than 6 inches

>>713124635
And more powerful, iPhone 15 plays death stranding better than deck

>>713120621
>Preventing the standardization of gyro for 20 years
Thank fucking Christ. Gyro fucking sucks.

>>713124556
when was the last time MORE GRAPHICS was of benefit to gameplay? 2008?

>>713124548
I'd say VRR is more important for underpowered devices. It makes a nights and days difference when you can't hit 60fps (like the 'eck).

>>713124848
Pc gamers have claimed consoles hold back gaming for years. Now they are too

>>713124851
I can set the Deck framerate to 45 or lower, but I can't make a LCD screen look good

>>713124556
Yeah, holding it back from being $1000+ with no alternatives.

>>713124956
>45 fps
Disgusting. Also most modern games can't even hit 45 on the 'eck. More realistically you are looking at dips to 30.

>>713124901
Consoles were holding back gaming by having inferior controls. Graphics hit the level where they can't be a detriment to gameplay during PS360 era, past that it's all because of games having to be dumbed down for console babies.

>>713124556
Gaymen should be held back, violently so. Every game today looks worse than early PS4 movieshit, CPUs and GPUs on the brick of starting housefires for fucking nothing.

>>713123723
Not him but the Rog Xbox Ally X is the Z2 Extreme version, the Rog Xbox Ally, the one without the X, uses the same chip as the Steam Deck, called the Z2A, but it's not customized like the Deck version of it.

>>713119292 (OP)
Whats the correct joysticks version of this???

>>713125174
This, I used to agree with the whole holding gaming back but now games are worse and unoptimized while costing too much money. To say something is holding gaming back when this shit needs to be held back is just retarded now.

>>713125115
As opposed to VRR dropping the framerate to 360?
lel

I mean if I can put steam on the new xbox ally it could be good for me. I have a series x for the living room so I've got some games on my account. And gamepass. So if I was gonna pick I'd go ally but these devices are all memes

>>713125610
>Grown man at a park with a game system
>First assumption is it's this guy

>>713125421
?

>>713125895
oh, so now you're gonna play dumb, ok

you fagotes really have no arguments do you

>>713121462
This picture is useless without the whole image.

>>713124839
No you are just a stagnant individual

>>713124839
>more options bad
>less slow autoaim cover shooters bad

>>713119292 (OP)
>>destroys the steam deck making it obsolete
At double the price one would hope so.

>>713121369
You haven't seen nothing, someone post the pic of XC2 running in portable mode.

>>713125610
Do people seriously do this? The deck's portable as in couch to bed to desk, you aren't actually supposed to bring it with you in public. Embarrassing.

>>713125610
Nobody snickers at shit like this. Made up bullshit.

The Deck is far and away my favorite handheld.that I've ever owned. I don't know if this particular model is enough to get me interested in jumping ship but the proliferation of open source and PC handhelds is absolutely a net benefit to the medium, especially at a time when console manufacturers are clamping down tighter and tighter.

>>713127034
>you aren't actually supposed to bring it with you in public
Maybe not to the park to idly game in your free time, but on a subway, or waiting in line to a doctor? Look around, everyone's on their phone, might as well get a superior experience.

>>713127172
sure you're free to play on your kids console in public and I'm free to phone the police about a suspected pedophile. We are all free

>>713124556
>all the pcbro mental gymnastic responses to this post
Kek.

>>713128860
>police shows up
>you point at me
>he thinks I'm 12
>he takes you to the police for wasting his time

the steam deck really cries "millenial dad who is cucked by his wife & having a midlife crisis", that's why i can't get one. It has a big image problem of course /v/ will deny this

>>713126094
I'm genuinely confused as to what you're talking about. The z2e can hit 60 fps on most games and as I said the lower fps you go the more VRR matters.

>>713119292 (OP)
>wallah

>>713119292 (OP)
Gosh, new hardware is more powerful and expensive than old hardware?

>>713129596
>caring what others think
This is a forum for autists, go back to Facebook you normalfag.

>>713130112
but you guys do care what others think. You care a LOT about what others think. that's part of your mental problems

>>713119292 (OP)
>Wallah

>>713129776
You're trying to claim that anything below 60 is unplayable, but you're praising VRR, contradicting yourself

>>713119292 (OP)
I'm more interested in their future Xbox PC that they just announced with AMD.
>backward compatibility with all previous Xbox consoles
>have access to your steam library
>gamepass
>games with be optimized for it
If they actually deliver their promises, there's no reason to build budget or midrange gaming PC.

>>713119292 (OP)
>wallah

>>713130805
They won't be able to deliver on even half of this shit plus they'll get in trouble with publishers on emulation of third-party games without permission.

I'm just going to buy the Steam Deck 2. Hopefully its ARM.

>>713127094
You're right, they twix at it

>>713119292 (OP)
>wait until it goes down to $600
Thats still too much, especially if you already own a Steam Deck.

>>713131765
Nothing seems to be a generation stronger than the Steam Deck in performance and efficiency. Valve isn't working with Nvidia, and Intel and Qualcomm have nothing that can really compete. The only chip that seems to fit the bill seems to be AMD's upcoming Zen 6 CPU and UDNA GPU. I could be wrong and they do use ARM but it has to be stronger than the original Steam Deck, of course, it will be custom like the original Steam Deck.

Bros I don't give a fuck about console war shit or what other people play, why can't I stop shitposting in these threads. I know I need to stop

>>713132316
>Valve isn't working with Nvidia
Not to the level they are with AMD, but they do seem to be putting some resources into an AMD64 emulator for ARM, and there may be some Valve contributions to NVK.

I won't be too surprised if we start seeing Valve contributions to Linux gaming on that new $3000 Nvidia ARM AI workstation. Just don't expect that to lead to a Steam Deck 2 any time soon. It took about 10 years from the first Valve contributions to gaming with AI hardware to the Steam Deck.

>>713133221
I'm not even going to put Qualcomm or Intel on the list but are we more likely to see a Steam Deck 2 with a custom Zen 6 UDNA or some Nvidia chip? Which one would cost more? And would we see it in 2027 or 2028?

>>713121514
I don't play Elden Ring and I don't care what you buy, but come on now. It's a compatibility rating, not a performance rating. The game is "verified" because it's gamepad-compatible, doesn't require a large screen, and runs on SteamOS instead of crashing with an "oopsie you need Genuine Microsoft Windows 11 to run this game" error -- not because Valve is claiming that the hardware is powerful.

>>713119292 (OP)
Yeah but does it play PC games?

>>713119292 (OP)
Why are people suddenly interested in mobile gaming? Just buy a PC and play games normally

>>713131982
Aw, nobody lolled

>>713119292 (OP)
without access to actual xbox games this thing is doa for me. why buy another device when I already have a PC?

>>713132316
Even in PC gaming we haven't had a true generation leap with the 5xxx cards either. But the new windows handheld should be getting around 20-30% more performance and of course, they may boast 1.5x the battery life like the the ally x already does.

>>713130793
No? I'm saying VRR is more important the lower you dip and the steam deck can barely hit 30 on some new games. OLED means nothing when the frames are shit, which is why VRR is more important. You've never used VRR and it shows.

>>713136856
Knowing Valve, they will make some changes to have the lowest cost again. Does Valve just not Zen 5 or RDNA 3.5, or do they not want either for the Steam Deck? Do they want RDNA 4 for the Deck 2 or does AMD not want to bring that to handhelds at all?

>>713136927
both dip, OLED stays OLED, you still contradict yourself and lose the argument

>>713137262
*want

>a 2026 handheld is more powerful than a 2022 released handheld with a rejected SoC originally from 2019
>Valve BTFO

Uh. Okay. Cool thread.

>Rog Ally Re-release
>Still no touch pads

What's the point of this thread?

>>713119292 (OP)
No touchpads, no buy.

>>713133683
Like I said, don't expect it to be in a second-gen Deck. It is more of a long-term project than Microsoft's move to ARM.
Far more likely Microsoft's next-gen "Xbox" is an ARM system. AMD reportedly delivered them engineering samples of ARM+RDNA prototypes.

>>713137262
Deck uses custom SOCs, Aerith, Sephiroth, and now Aerith+. It is expensive to engineer new ones, but cheap to buy them in bulk. Volume is the real secret to why the Deck is cheaper. Well that and not having to pay Microsoft a large license fee.
Until FSR4 came out there wasn't much reason to move past RDNA 2. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a Sephiroth+ SOC that is still RDNA 2 but maybe with an NPU for post-processing.

>>713139325
>. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a Sephiroth+ SOC that is still RDNA 2 but maybe with an NPU for post-processing.
You are so fucking stupid its unreal. You also have no idea what these codenames area. There is one SoC used in the Deck and its called Van Gogh. External code names used by Valve mean nothing. Its one singular design and it didn't even have a true half node shrink.

>>713139325
Going by Valve's history with this, their Steam Deck chip wasn't the latest when it launched and was a chip rejected by Microsoft, I think, so my expectations, my real one, is that they will use a custom low-powered AMD APU based on Zen 5 RDNA 4. They won't go up to Zen 6 UDNA because of cost and that alone should feel like a generational leap for them that's better than other handhelds until the PS handheld comes with a low-powered custom AMD APU based on Zen 6 UDNA but the advantage Valve will have is that it costs less. Only the Switch 2 will cost less than the Deck 2. Valve will not go beyond their performance and efficiency threshold and they don't care about power. These chips should be enough to play the bulk of AAA games for many years because I honestly don't believe crossgen is being dropped anytime soon by Sony or Microsoft.

>>713139681
RDNA4 will never, ever be in a mobile chip. Read literally any arch analysis of RDNA3 compared to 3.5

>>713139795
Even despite Valve's partnership with AMD? Would they mean they'll have to use a custom RDNA 3.5 with RDNA 4 backports?

>>713140018
*that

>>713119292 (OP)
regardless of the performance, this thing looks ugly as sin. why are valve and nintendo the only companies in the (mainstream) handheld market who actually hire competent industrial designers?

>>713140018
The xtor count is not worth the performance uplift. The current gen chips, Strix Point and Strix Halo, are being replaced by Medusa Point and Medusa Halo which still use RDNA3.5 based IGPs. RDNA4 was always intended to be a dead end stopgap arch which different teams merged to push consumer RDNA and CDNA enterprise lines together.

>>713140209
So, the only way up is Zen 6 UDNA or ARM64?

>>713119982
PC shooters on handhelds only feel good with trackpad + gyro. even nintendo understands gyro is the way to go if you're gonna make a console shooter, which is why splatoon is a million times better than most console shooters

>>713139508
Sorry anon. They are separate chips, and with Valve buying all the stock and making the kernel commits for support those are the code names that get used for the different revisions.

>>713139681
>was a chip rejected by Microsoft
I guess it wouldn't surprise me if they'd shopped it around to a couple different companies including Microsoft. I'd heard it was a different VR vendor.

New Xbox will only be 299$. Gotta buy one for Stellar Blade

>>713140279
ARM vs X86 is absolute youtube watcher drivel. The CPU's ISA is not ever going to be a significant factor in efficiency for an entire SoC under a real workload.
RDNA4 brought more RT hardware and a new instruction set, but these added transistors per CU are terrible for efficiency. This also harkens back to why mobile RDNA3/3.5 stayed 64 ALU per CU while the desktop cards were 128 ALU. The transistors just aren't worth it when battery constrained.

>>713140375
No, you gay retard. Its literally one design. 4 Zen 2 cores, 8 RDNA2 CU, same Cadence licensed memory PHY. It is the singular Van Gogh design. Valve calling the shrank die by a different internal name does not make it a different chip. Its literally the exact same lith masks.

>>713140279
Going to ARM64 Linux from AMD64 Linux doesn't really get you as much uplift, especially if all the software you're going to run is compiled for AMD64.
Which is why it makes more sense for Microsoft to jump to ARM with an Xbox because they can dictate all the games get re-compiled.

>>713140751
The highest performing non Apple ARM cores aren't even remotely close in competing with X86 in total performance or efficiency

>>713140676
>>713140751
I guess that means Valve would use UDNA, but would they use Zen 5 or Zen 6?

>>713140676
>Valve calling the shrank die by a different internal name does not make it a different chip.
They are literally different dies that go into different chips. This is why we have those code names because Valve made Linux kernel commits that reference them and the related IDs.
If they were all literally the exact same, there would be no reason for different code names to turn up in kernel commits.

You're not wrong that they're not fundamentally different designs, but that's why I'm arguing we're more likely to see another revision than a whole new chip. If I recall the die already includes an NPU that is disabled. So speculating that it might be enabled in a future revision isn't that big of a stretch.

>>713140948
Since UDNA is all AMD will be supporting in coming years thats a given. It would be extremely odd to use an older IP block with brand new GPU IP. Any new Deck would most probably use then current CPU cores along with newer GPU arch.
Zen6 and UDNA in late 2026, or N1.4 Zen7 and UDNA in late 2027

>>713119292 (OP)
>No trackpads
Hard pass

>>713119292 (OP)
>new thing has better specs than old thing
holy shit....

>>713141097
>I have no idea what I'm talking about
It. Is. Literally. The. Same. Die.
Stop posting here. Valve's own internal naming schema does not mean anything. Van Gogh is Van Gogh. It is literally one singular design no matter what process variant it is implemented on. AMD is in charge of this. Valve is not.

>>713141179
I guess that pretty much settles it, it'll use Zen 6 UDNA, it won't use anything above because it'll feel like an increment. I don't expect a Deck 3 for many years if at all ever. There would be no point due to diminishing returns. Zen 6 UDNA is enough.

>>713120318

I’m actually going to install this new version of windows on my steam deck

>>713120621

It does have gyro though

>>713119292 (OP)
Steamdick is just cheaper

>>713141313
>It. Is. Literally. The. Same. Die.
It is not Literally The Same Die. If it was, there wouldn't have needed to be the kernel commits to enable the support that referenced the code names.
The die is physically different. They come out of separate production, and they go into different boards.
RadV identifies all the GPUs as VanGogh just like RadV ignores marketing labels and small revisions for other parts.

>>713141358
Windows isn't open source, and there's no reason to think Microsoft will offer this version for anyone to install themselves.

>>713141883
You really need to just google things instead of continually talking out of your ass. There are infinite pointless commits in the LKML. You literally know nothing about this. You are guessing, bluffing, and I know more than you. Van Gogh is Van Gogh. The die shrink is not a new design, its literally the same lith masks on "N6" Not even a true half node shrink. There are no physical FEOL, MOL, or BEOL changes.

Zen 6 UDNA Steam Deck, is this something we'll see in 2027 or 2028?

>>713120621
>Everybody thought the C button was going to be a cast button for dual screen games
>It's actually the lamest shit imaginable

>>713142040
>There are infinite pointless commits in the LKML.
Not when they are enabling support for different IDs needed to correctly identify different chips. Those are necessary.

The only thing that kept the PS4 working with Linux for instance, was the IDs not being referenced.
None of these semi-custom chips are all that custom.

>>713142539
>Not when they are enabling support for different IDs
Gay retard. Different steppings of the same chip have their own unique references. You need to stop posting. You don't even have a point. There isn't even an argument to be had.

>>713142161
Well, WILL WE?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>713119292 (OP)
>ROG
lmao
Anyone have that clip from the announcement when the crowd just died the moment the ROG logo appeared.

>>713142724
>Different steppings
>have their own unique references
Because, they are physically different. If they were 1:1 perfectly identical, they wouldn't be a stepping.
That was the whole reason to hunt down different steppings of chips. If they had been exactly the same there would have been no point.

>>713143923
Steppings are binnings. They are not physically different. Different chicken bits being flipped on the literal exact same design does not make it a new design. Stop. Poisting.

>>713120340
it’s from /ck/

>>713144258
You're the only one trying to equate physically different to different designs.
Aerith or whatever you want to call it is physically larger and has some bits, apparently for visual processing, that reportedly aren't there in Sephiroth or Aerith+.
Since there are at least 3 revisions, it isn't that big of a stretch to speculate there will be another one in the future.

>>713144539
A. Die. Shrink. Is. Not. A. New. Design.
Stop posting. Jesus.

>>713144635
Nobody said that it was a fundamentally different design. But it is a physically different chip. The dimensions are even different. More so than would happen just from the different process.

>>713142161
Please answer

>>713144853
>muh dimensions
Stop talking out of your ass. There is almost no change in die area, because its not even a true half node shrink. It is the exact same design with a different xtor library. Nothing on the FEOL, MOL, or BEOL was physically changed. You don't even know what any of these terms mean. Stop bluffing. Stop lying. Stop posting.

>>713146087
2028 would be way too late for Zen6

>>713146274
Will Valve reveal it next year like how they revealed the original Steam Deck in 2021 before they released it in 2022?

>>713146337
No one can know that except Gabe in his infinite bearded wisdom
The entire company is just whatever he wants

no touchpads no buy
it's mandatory for FPS

>>713119292 (OP)
>NEW PRODUCT DESTROYS 4 YEAR OLD PRODUCT

Thanks for your insight