Thread 713130162

Toastersisters...

>>713130162 (OP)
consoles themselves can hardly run games at 60 fps STILL

>>713130162 (OP)
>>713130284
Runs on my machine. :^)

>>713130162 (OP)
good thing more than half of steam doesn't give a fuck about 4k eh

Make games that look better than launch PS4 titles (2013) or die. I'm not replacing hardware and running a 1000W setup for worse games.

>>713130162 (OP)
i get to choose between running on ultra and running at 140+fps
console are forced to play both on medium settings and with sub-60fps (with dips)

>>713130162 (OP)
they only filter out third worlders who have cheap as fuck regional pricing anyway, so publishers don't give a fuck

>paraphrasing a reddit comment
What has journalism come to. Granted, it's a blog for gaming, but still.

>>713130162 (OP)
>$130 for full game
>Steam + Epic launcher + Denuvo + Symbiote + SHIFT required to run in background
>UE5

>>713130162 (OP)
It's funny because they are still making this for the old ass PS5 and Series consoles. It will also run on the Series S but for some reason the PC version demands are 5 times higher while looking almost the same.

Consoles held back the POTENTIAL of gaming because PCs upgraded more frequently and were stronger than mass produced consoles. We've reached the point of diminishing returns where they're throwing a ton of unnecessary bullshit into games to give them higher requirements to pretend we're still experiencing console generations on the same scale as in the past. In this case, PC gaming is holding back the industry by telling them no, this shit is not necessary and your games don't look any better, they just run worse.

>>713130460
This.

There's no fucking way this game actually uses 8 CPU cores. No modern game engine is optimized (or scaled) to that extent; you'd be hard-pressed to find top-shelf modeling & simulation software (think MIC/DoD stuff) that uses that much CPU power.

Minimum system requirements are always just the weakest computer the devs tested on anyway.
The MGS games are a good example, they can all run on hardware way weaker than the listed minimum, doubly the Master Collection.

>>713130162 (OP)
>recommended specs
>32gb of ram
this is crazy desu, I've never seen a game use 32 fucking gigs of ram before

>>713130162 (OP)
Let's be honest, few of those people were gonna buy it anyway lol. I hope they use this as an actual excuse when it sells less than a million copies.

>>713130162 (OP)
why won't you just buy 500gb games with day 1 dlc and 150gb patches for $80 you morons? the finest outsourced indians worked very hard on those 700000 poly shipping crates.

>>713131848
You can abuse fireworks in Planet Coaster & Planet Zoo to hit the upper 50's before they crash.

>Minimum specs
>Processor: Intel Core i7-9700 / AMD Ryzen 7 2700X
>Memory: 16 GB RAM
>Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 / AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT
>Storage: 100 GB available space
Oh those were recommended specs a couple years ago, time sure flies.

There's nothing wrong with high system requirements, but if your game looks like shit and still demands a $2000+ rig to play you can suck my nuts.

>>713131994
And game looks the same but run worse

>>713131841
I wonder if they lost any sales from people believing you needed a 970 to play fucking MGS3.

>>713131994
They stopped making PS4 games and now make PS5 games.

Bro if they can make this shit run on the Xbox S, they can make it run on lower spec pcs. They just don't care.

graphics whores and the piss poor optimized studios that pay people to shill that kind of thinking deserve to be in poverty. They have been a net negative for the past 20 years of gaming.
unreal is such a fucking crutch

>>713130162 (OP)
>my windows shit rig regularly uses up to 25% CPU on a Ryzen 9 for "Searching" because Zisters make up more than half of all programmers now.
>the software for cooling is also trooned and doesn't turn on the fan I don't manually
>a decent PC costs more than three grand now
>I earn about the same kind of money I did when PCs cost less than two thousand
>the same programmers who mess up my hardware with the OS also programm (script) the 450GB games that come out
>the average ram is still only getting close to being 32gb and average space for boot drive is not more than 2tb
no wonder...

>>713132101
I remember back when the PS5 released people said it was about on par with a 2070 or 2070 Super so here are. It took 5 years but the minimum requirements are finally PS5 level. (Which is retarded when the Series S is getting a port but oh well).

>>713131547
you know that shit isn't reaching 20fps on anything short of a -- I dunno whatever the new Titan, top card is... 5090?

>>713131848
To be fair it's likely 32 because that's the next increment. If any game uses 19 gigs of ram they'll probably just label it as 32 gigs.
Of course you can have 3 sticks of 8 GB ram but then you're running one in single channel which would make it not recommended.

>>713131994
And it will look and run worse than 2

>>713130162 (OP)
Good, make games with low requirements or don't sell games. The graphics race jewery is over.

>>713132476
they make 6 and 12 gig sticks too, you know

>>713130162 (OP)
I wonder how that breaks down by country

>>713130162 (OP)
How? It barely looks different than BL3

>>713130162 (OP)
What visual advantages does Boringlands 4 provide that it needs stronger hardware compared to 3? Just the open world shit and them leaving models at ten million triangles? I couldn't care less if it still looked like Borderlands 1.
>>713131841
That's a combination of FOX Engine magic and Kojipro being forced to make it work on the weak ass PS3. They needed to optimize (and cut down) the shit out of it.

>>713130284
Consoles will never run new games at 60fps, devs will always prioritize graphical fidelity over framerate

>>713130162 (OP)
>game graphics have not significantly advanced in the past 10 years
>being optimized like shit
>devs relying on shit like RTX as a crutch while making games run worse because they don't want to spend half a decade developing games anymore
>this problem could be avoided if everything wasn't hyperrealism trash where even with slightly stylized games you have to see every individual pore and scrotum hair on a character's model

>>713131841
This, another example is Expedition 33, my laptop is below the minimun requirements and the game runs fine 90% of the time, only a few bosses makes the framerate tank

>>713130460
Saar the Indian programmers are doing their best saar please understand that they just random flip settings off and on in UE5 saar...

>>713130162 (OP)

I wish Gaben would reveal how that bottom 50% of steam users only spend like 5% of the total revenue so we could all agree to ignore them forever

>>713132789
Anon, games were better optimized when dev cycles were only a year or two. Games became less optimized with more dev time available.

>>713132789
astro bot is legitimately one of the best looking ps5 games and it looks cartoony as hell. the push for realism is so dumb.

>>713130378
fucking this holy shit.

>>713130162 (OP)
>want to get 32 more GB of ram and upgrade from the 12th series cpu
> remember how much of a pain in the ass it was to put in my 4090.

>be randy
>outsource your game on ue5
>no one can run it
>no one buys it
WOOOOOW

>>713130162 (OP)
>Make game for customer who literally doesn't even exist
>Sales plummet
>HOW COULD ECONOMIC TERRORIST CHUDS DO THIS TO US!?

OP can you teach me how to make bait like this with guaranteed 200 replies?

>>713130162 (OP)
If it can run on a swtich 2, it can run on a toaster.
These rage bait articles suck dick just like the op does

>>713133000
that's part of what I meant but didn't actually make that clear because of the "spend half a decade" bit sorry
but yes game optimization was far better done when they didn't have a fuckload of time to waste on adding a bunch of shit nobody cares about after 5 seconds looking at it

>>713132789
>devs finally get the opportunity to make a game of their dreams or at least get paid to make a game
>just replicates real life and adds obnoxious blur effects everywhere
>make a shitty movie game

Did they really turn the big guy into an albino because of racism backlash? He looked better brown. They should’ve white washed the skinny dude.

>>713132506
>The graphics race jewery is over.
lol how else are they going to sell new consoles/computer hardware

>>713131841
>rdr2 recommends a 1060
>rdr1 recommends a 2070
fucking lmao

>>713132506
lol you really think so huh
they'll keep making more """advanced""" parts and cards just to keep up sales, why do you think the tech industry pushes so hard for AI?

>>713130162 (OP)
I wonder if steam doesn't offer a tool for devs that shows them how many user they target with the requirements. The surveys are public, they even could check themselves, but it should be obvious

>>713134102
Can confirm RDR1 runs perfectly on my laptop from 2014 that runs RDR2 at 30FPS low settings.
I think they just made it up.

>>713130162 (OP)
Toaster PC's tend to run things as poorly as consoles, console users are just happy to wallow in it while the toaster users have a nerd melty.

>>713131795
AI War 2

Ashes of The Singularity has been around since 2016 you doofus

>>713134253
The tech-niggas can push all they want but that doesn't matter for the games industry, PCs are getting too expensive. If they make triple-A games exclusively for richfags then they won't sell enough games to keep their businesses afloat.
The indie scene is replacing Triple-A, Nintendo is doing really well with their underpowered tablets. The technology race is all a sham and not relevant to video games at all.

>>713130162 (OP)
Sucks for the brazilians I guess.

>>713130162 (OP)
B A D
A S S

>>713136438
i have a 7800x3d and a 4080, what are you talking about
i'm still not buying randylands

>>713132789
>Sir! I have this great idea for this game's visual identity, and--
"Shut the fuck up Mike. That blue-haired crossdresser at HR says you're underperforming. I don't look at the numbers or anything like that, i just see the big picture.
>B-But sir i--
"Can it, Mikey. Look, I don't give a crap what you "want" to make the game look like, because that's not what the markets say. the markets say that RTX is the future! And if the graphics don't sell them, the in-game cash shop and dlc season passes certainly will!
>RTX is incredibly computationally expensive, you'll alienate most of the pc users who don't want to, or can't upgrade! it's--
"Michael, zip it. If they can't afford the newest, bestest graphics, they're not going to give a second glance to the endless microtransactions we shove in thier faces! In fact, artificially make the system requirements higher right now. Make all our models look better, add more... shadeys or whatever you call them. Just make the game look too pretty for poor people. Can you do that for me M
>...Yes sir.

>...my name isnt even mike. it's dave.

>>713130162 (OP)
funny, the main complain from people who played it on gearbox own prepeared hardware was that it ran like absolute shit

>>713130162 (OP)
borderlands is so fucking gay lmfao

I genuinely thought this IP was dead and that's why they let that awful movie hit production, like Castlevania and the horrible Netflix cartoon.

>>713130162 (OP)
woke AAA videogames alienate over half of steam users

>Game looks worse than Armored Core 6 which my computer runs flawlessly
>Minimum specs are somehow higher

Ok, I'll buy BL4 even if it has Ava but NOT for $130.

why does a celshaded game need good graphics anyway lol

>>713138972
im ok with this honestly

>>713130162 (OP)
Retarded journo opinion (just like every journo opinion).
There is no game on earth worth anything bigger than a 4080. Graphics plateaued 10 years ago and fuck-all of note or worth has happened since, just forced fake game generation and devs becoming dumber and more incapable of basic coding every year to the point where the think a 1TB game of uncompressed textures, sound and DLSS should unironically be the norm.

>>713130162 (OP)
It's funny to think that it won't only be a massive flop due to being a dull entry in a franchise long past it's prime that very few actually care for, but also due to being an unoptimized piece of shit as well.
Randy sure knows how to make 'em!

>>713130162 (OP)
Why aren't people rushing to buy stupidly overpriced new hardware to run badly optimized slop?

Just need a quick glance at bluesky to know it's not worth bothering to ever upgrade until the industry has a generational replacement over time.

>>713130162 (OP)
good money saved. were still playing the same fucking games every year anyway. over the shoulder action game shooters, racing, fps, Unreal engine slop. more development should be put into the actual gameplay or story than selling GPUS for Jewvidia.

>>713130284
90% of steam users' hardware is weaker than a ps5

>>713130460
Also buying high-end SSDs because any 4 hour long AAAA game now takes 2TB of disk space

>>713139523
never even played the original for more than an HOUR. it shoudve been named to BoreUrAssLands.

>>713130162 (OP)
They're just making excuses for when B4 inevitably doesn't do so hot

>>713139672
And they were also more powerful than a PS5 when they were built 7 years ago.

>>713139767
Whose fault will it be this time? The bigots, the Nazis, GamerGate or just "entitled gamer pissbabies" again?

>>713139898
erm actually nobody bought it because WW3 is about to start chuddy

>>713140383
God I hope Iran detonates nukes under Israel and the entire middle east and India are completely glassed with NO survivors.

>>713130162 (OP)
Randy Prickford spouting shits again

Yes, I will hold back the entire industry. Death to graphix whores.

the switch 2 is a literal 1050gtx toaster which is like 3x less powerful than a 3080 ti with half the ddr
so no the game would run fine on a 1070 most likely

>>713130162 (OP)
90% of consoles can't play it, if you want to count old hardware.

>>713139523
And when it sells 8 million week 1?

>>713139672
Ps3*

>>713130162 (OP)
>Third worlders, poorfags, AMD and consoles holding back the industry now
Fixed

>>713130284
wrong
and they do it without stutters unlike PC

*raises paw*
why are you, as a man interested in making money, creating a product unusable by the majority of your target demographic

>>713132685
You can check previews from uploaders it looks just about the same as BL3. It's actually a fairly ugly game stylistically but they're doing fancier things with details like the grass now and it's actual open world IIRC. From a studio whose previous release had
>50% FPS losses when turning around in numerous locales
>minutes long freezing issues when changing graphic settings from the options
and other such problems it's not surprising that when they put a lot of work to get BL4 loading in seconds; now they don't even want to pretend to try with less than premium hardware. For how shitty rockstar game content is when you see the way studios like gearbox or capcom act about optimization it reeeally makes you appreciate the years they put in to make RDR2 run on consoles.

>>713130162 (OP)
>As highlighted by A RANDOM POSTER ON A FORUM-
This is the state of "journalism" now. They literally quote random people on the internet.

>>713130162 (OP)
>upgrade your PC with the newest expensive hardware to run mediocre, bloated, badly optimized games that look barely better than what we had 10 years ago RIGHT NOW, chud
I'm happy with my 'eck.

Why do journos still have a job?

>>713130162 (OP)
>Constantly increase hardware requirements
>games look the same and sometimes even worse than 10 years ago
what causes this?

>>713139756
I remember when I beat the original game I was like: "This is it?" and never touched the franchise again. Despite some friends egging me to buy the sequels. Looter shooters are fucking gay.

>>713131841
>here's an example with inflated system requirements
>Haswell i5 in a Skylake era
Uh huh.

Someone needs to stop Timmy
He's wrecking our community

>>713130162 (OP)
I always assumed that these surveys are a bit skewed because only retards participate in them. And retards are prime market for shit like "gaming" laptops or 1060 3gb tier cards.

>>713139672
>90% of steam users' hardware is weaker than a ps5

>fugly looter-shooter increasingly focused on their dogshit SJW writing provided by the Burches
yeah i'd rather play something else thanks though randy.

>>713152076
skylake was barely faster than haswell I'm talking 1%

>>713130162 (OP)
you mean the TSMC silicon monopoly right?

>>713130162 (OP)
Maybe they should consider not selling PC parts for ridiculous prices if they want us buying new games.

How long are you going to be poor?

>>713131994
A $20 cpu is a reasonable minimum requirement but the $100 gpu requirement is not in my opinion. it's likely overinflated like that hell is us ue5 game that ran way better than the requirements would make you expect

>>713152076
And even then, that Haswell i5 probably pulls equal or better performance than half the 8-core laptop garbage that bloated specs constantly reward these days. The irony is that games "requiring" a 3070 and Ryzen 7 still run like garbage because some intern forgot to cap shadow resolution or optimize occlusion culling. It’s not about performance anymore, it’s straight marketing fluff for GPU partners.

>>713130162 (OP)
>Will also be launched on Series S, which GPU is kinda equivalent to a 1660.
>While still looking like BL3
Inflated min req if anything.
Still, even if I got way enough to play it on Ultra, I still won't buy the game

>>713130162 (OP)
>may make you think
>heftier than you might expect
>as highlighted by Odd-Onion-6776
>this comes courtesy of.. [optional survey]
>but you'd imagine..

Therefore definitely and definitively they made a game that excludes HALF OF ALL STEAM USERS. In conclusion, this fact really makes you think.

..the state of writers and readers today

>>713130378
4k is and will always be a meme.

>>713130162 (OP)
Why does it run on a switch, that has essentially an underclocked rtx 2050, but require an rtx 2070 on pc? The rtx 2070 is like 4x-5x more powerful

>>713134102
They're fucking riddiculous.
Most probably they grabbed their lowest apecs PC they had in their office at the time they came up with it

>>713156113
Can't run their spyware on switch

>>713130162 (OP)
Oh no, My machine totally can't run the $80 pile of blazing unoptimised shit. Such a terrible tragedy. I'm so sorry, Randy. :(

>>713130162 (OP)
I think being snorederlands 4 is a bigger alienating factor

Tim sweeney (and amazon prime?) already gave me borderlands 1, 2, 3, pre-sequel, and tiny teena wonderlands, all for free. I had already played 1. Now i played halfway through 2 and felt like i got my fill. It will prlbably be 20 years (or never) before i feel like i need to purchase more borderlands

Does a good shooter looter even exist

>>713156628
Borderlands 1 and 2

>>713131795
It's not that it actually utilizes 8 cores, it's about CPUs with 8 cores have better single core performance than those with less

>>713156983
This.

Only the first Borderlands was good.

>>713138851
ahem, picrel proves the opposite

>>713146389
>unironic NoVidyajeet
good morning saar

>>713139672
So why do video game companies make games for only 10% of the players?

>>713157106
It's still a really bland game and yet the rest just fuck it all up somehow.

>>713157124
Because optimization became a forgotten art

>>713130162 (OP)
>game reqs tells me i can't run it past LOW on 30 fps because of RAM shortage and weak CPU
>game actually runs flawlessly on 60 fps ALL HIGH settings wit ZERO stutter
genuinely shocking this is the only game in this entire year, so far, that is this godly optimized and looks better than any game released too.

>>713157225
>REGGIN
huh

>>713157197
Agreed, was okay in co-op with a friend.

>>713157225
Reggie?

>>713130162 (OP)
>you want us to make a special drivers so you can easily optimize your game you need to use a featuresets from out new gpu's and exclude half of your potential market to create artificial need to upgrade so we can sell more gpu's.

>>713133101
>clip the card in
>secure it and the support bracket with a few screws

>>713130162 (OP)
It will run fine. I haven't looked at minimum specs in over decade and my PC is never top of the line. They just copy and paste minimum specs from something else no thought goes into it.

>game looks identical to borderlands 3
>BL3 recommended specs in pic rel
unreal engine 5 truly is the worst thing that happened to the gaming industry, followed up hidetaka miyazaki

>miyazaki out of nowhere
kek truly mindbroken by chad

>>713130162 (OP)
toastsirs have no excuse to be this far behind

>>713158983
>out of nowhere
Both unreal engine and miyazaki only produces slop.
Both have caused irreparable damage to the gaming industry.
Because of both of them, we're never going to get anything better, only worse.
BL4 is just an example

>>713130162 (OP)
>Why yes we didn't waste a single minute to compress or optimize the game

>>713156983
So you are saying that 8-core FX-8350 will run this game better than 6-core 5600x?

>>713130162 (OP)
PC gaming is suffering from a severe poor fag epidemic. Every single time a modern game comes out the forums are full of poor fags crying that the game doesn't run properly on their 10 y/o toaster ovens. They also become deeply offended if you tell them to just get a PS5. kek

Giving poor fag countries Internet access was a huge mistake.

>half of steam is china
they don't want to play borderlands anyway

>>713159286
Sure and a 5ghz pentium is gonna run better than 2ghz ryzen

>>713132789
>We could use a Smooth mesh with a bump or displacement map--
NO EDIT THE MESH INSTEAD SO OUR RTXTHDTXTX SUPER LIGHTING CAN SPEND 190% OF THE GPU's TIME MAKING THE SHADOWS AND REFLECTIONS *Slightly* BETTER

>>713156131
that is exactly what they did. there is probably a rule on steam that you have to actually test on the hardware in order to claim the game runs on that.

>>713130162 (OP)
>a poorly coded game requires more graphic power to be played
shocking.

>>713130162 (OP)
If they're below BL4's minimum specs that means they last upgraded before 2018. Those people aren't interested in playing modern games.

>>713131742
smartest post itt

>>713131262
These are just AI generated, they slap some Reddit threads into a prompt and it spits out an article, they all follow the same formula.

>>713130162 (OP)
Hardly, at 30fps with ai shitsmear technology it'll run with quality on par or better than consoles

>>713146953
preach

>>713139820
>let me just switch this par…
You cheating bastard

>>713158927
i dunno man all the footage of BL4 that i've seen looks like shit, worse than BL3 even

The choice to upgrade is always available to PC users. If someone doesn't want to upgrade to play a game, then they don't have to.
Being able to choose your experience based on how much money you want to spend is always going to be better.
>but it's holding back the in-
No it isn't . No one actually takes optimisation seriously anymore and shove their game behind 3 layers of AI frames and fake frames nowadays on both PC and console.Devs have never had to cater to PC specs because the choice is the PC users, rather than console where the players must use specific hardware

>>713130162 (OP)
MINIMUM requirements?
People dont have a 9700? Nigga that was my old PC from 6 years ago
The recommended (12700) is 200 bucks
What the fuck are you poor?

>>713130162 (OP)
These numbers are horribly skewed because plenty of steam users install steam on various devices like laptops or work pc's to use the store and community functions without actually playing a single game on these devices. They still get counted in the hardware survey though. I myself have Steam running on 6 devices and I only use 3 of them to actually play vidya on. Every steam user I know has it running on multiple devices too. This whole thing is utterly ridiculous.

>>713156628
Cyberpunk

Are they buying me a new rig? No? Then fuck off
Not like I would even buy their overpriced unoptimized slop anyway

Real fans will make it work
Real fans will produce hardware that can run this shit

>>713160535
What is considered decent performance on console would be considered unplayable on PC.

>>713130162 (OP)
The insistence on mandatory console controllers will always be a vastly larger handicap for the industry than 10 year old PC hardware, especially since the bottleneck is really only limited to the GPU, given that console CPUs are usually the same bargain bin trash that would be running alongside a toaster GPU.
Dual analog is a massive limitation for basically any game to operate with.

>>713130162 (OP)
> pajeets alienate half of potential customers with their incompetence

>>713130162 (OP)
i don't really care. I didn't buy Borderlands 3 because they made it epic exclusive at launch. Soured everything else.
I have no desire to buy Borderlands 4 even if they made it Steam exclusive.

>third world making excuses for using 8 year old hardware
You used to be laughed at for demanding that new AAA games run on 8 year old gpus that were low-end when they were first released.

>>713163124
But whats the excuse to buy new hardware when new games don't look that much better than 10 year old games?

>>713163124
AAA games used to actually make progress by using the hardware and didn't use raytracing as an excuse to not pay the lighting guy to do his rounds

>>713163173
>>713163205
Games don't look the same as they did 10 years ago, that's a cope for people who can't afford a new gpu because the the average wage in their country is $800 a month. Improvements are smaller than previous generations due to diminishing returns but the graphics and technology are objectively better.

>>713163268
Harsh reminder than witcher 3 came out 10 years ago

>>713161356
Fuck off, Randy

>>713163343
The witcher 3 does not look better than cyberpunk or indiana jones or whatever the latest aaa game is.

>>713163268
>eternal
>runs on anything
>dark ages
>sponsored by nvidia(tm), completely atrocious framerates as raytracing was clearly used as a cost cutting measure so it doesn't even look that good

>>713163448
>so it doesn't even look that good
Once again another cope. It sucks that you live in a shithole where you get paid $2 an hour but this is how pc gaming has always worked.

>>713163541
The Shart Ages looks like Quake and not in the flattering sense.

>>713163446
Except it does and it doesn't require an overpriced gpu.

>>713163604
lol nope

>>713163596
>dude it looks like a 1996 game!!!
third worlder delusion

>>713130162 (OP)
>boringlands 4
*yawn*
By the way how fucking poor are you that you can't afford a decent rig?

>>713163541
i have a 9070xt, it ran better than a 5080 at launch
no, it runs like shit for a shooter and if you need to stare at things and step back to notice the supposed diminishing returns improvement in exchange for consistently lower fps then it's totally not fucking worth it

>>713163759
delusional

>>713130162 (OP)
>NOOOOOOO HOW DARE YOU NOT WASTE $2K ON THE LATEST RTX XX90 YOU'RE KILLING THE GAMING INDUSTRY
suffer and writhe in pain you kike sympathizer
stop pushing this graphics nonsense. graphics haven't mattered since the ps3 days, when in all its hubris the industry forsook 60 fps to a deliver a more (((cinematic))) experience at 30 fps with fake resolutions (upscaling from 720p or 900p) and constant dips

>>713132789
>relying on shit like RTX as a crutch while making games run worse because they don't want to spend half a decade developing games anymore
games take like 5~10 years to make all the same
it's just cost-cutting and you're enabling their lazy asses by continuing to buy the latest goyvidya card instead of taking them to task

>>713163541
the game runs and looks worse than eternal did relative to its time

>>713164372
>looks worse than eternal did
Right, and also it looks like quake from 1996? Yeah ok.

>>713164198
>graphics haven't mattered since the ps3 days, when in all its hubris the industry forsook 60 fps to a deliver a more (((cinematic))) experience at 30 fps with fake resolutions (upscaling from 720p or 900p) and constant dips
older games ran like shit on contemporary hardware tho, the only reason you think they were well optimized is because you're running them on hardware that came out over a decade later

>>713164518
looks worse than eternal did relative to its time mr i can't fucking read

>>713162031
the goal posts just disappeared over the horizon

>>713164531
>older games ran like shit on contemporary hardware tho
not true. people were playing just fine playing shit like DMC4 at way over 60 fps on their ati radeon hd 4750 (i.e. RTX 4050 equivalent). no need to dump $1500 on a top of the line card. not to mention the top end was ~$700. the one exception was crysis, which got to ~35 fps

>>713130162 (OP)
Millions of people use a shitty laptop with steam to play LOL or similar f2p trash.
They are not holding gaming back as they would never play borederlads in the first place.

>Redditlands 4

You fuckers care about the gayest shit

>>713164983
They would if they had an actual console, not an overpriced porn machine

>>713165043
Nah, they wouldn't. Borderlands games have always been mid.

>>713164935
>gtx 9800+ was ~$350
nevermind I'm retarded. even high-end cards were cheap as fuck

>>713165043
I am saying they are using a ''can run excel'' tier craptop to play their f2p cancer and they have not interest in playing AAA games.

>>713164996
Whether we want it or not, it is the fifth (dont forget about presequel) game in the series, theres going to be a sixth.
Just like with rollslops, the success of absolute trash will only generate more trash.

>>713164601
What does that even mean? What games are you talking about exactly?

>Borderlands 4 wants a 2070 minimum which is like the equivalent of GPU power that a base PS5 has.

Also: Steam stats are worth nothing without context. PC gaming is a global phenomenon unlike console gaming. Most countries do not even get a PS5, XBOX or Switch. Steam meanwhile can be installed on every poor third worlder PC and those users pull the average down quite harshly. But your friends in Brazil, Indonesia, Nicaragua and Botswana are not the target audience for those expensive AAA games anyway. Half the time they don't even bother doing regional pricing.

Is it 30 or 60 fps on consoles?

>>713165298
>/v/ is complaining about a game requiring console-tier hardware
grim

>>713130162 (OP)
PC's aren't holding back the gaming industry, the fucking prices are. Everything is too fucking expensive. We can absolutely get PC's that are more powerful than consoles, but parts are mega expensive, and games keep getting more expensive. Meanwhile groceries are expensive, rents are always getting higher, fucking everything is more expensive. Salaries are not being raised in the same pace as the cost of the things we purchase, and people simply can't afford as much as they used to.

So make things cheaper if you want to sell more products, otherwise you will have to sell less products because that's all people can afford.

>Helldivers 2 patch made AVX2 mandatory
>AVX2 became standard on all CPUs after 2012
>thousands of players hardlocked out of the game because their CPUs don't support AVX2
>massive swathe of the playerbase exposed for gaming on 15 year old used office PCs

>>713165268
eternal is running better on a much weaker hardware and you need to split hairs to argue about the visual improvements of the dark ages compared to it
the value of those visuals is much fucking lower

>>713165403
>/v/ is filled with third worlders who are angry they can't pirate games or run pirated games on their ancient hardware
Nothing new.
That said: Borderlands is trash anyway.

>>713165470
Do you not know what "diminishing returns" means?

>>713165526
do you not know why enforcing those diminishing returns onto everyone with the stupid lazy low effort raytracing is a fucking horrible bellwether for the industry?

>>713165298
>PC gaming is a global phenomenon unlike console gaming.
are consoles not popular in thirdie countries anymore? I remember hearing about all the bootleg game/modded console industries in third world countries during the psx and ps2 eras

>>713165709
Switch is popular in thirdie countries, thats why they are so cult like too.

>>713165636
It's only bad for people who use cheap outdated garbage, it's good for everyone else. I'd rather have small, incremental improvements than no improvements at all.

>>713165801
>than no improvements at all.
we've had no improvements for about a decade.

>Majority of PC players (casual retards as per any platform) dont have high enough specs to play the latest unoptimized slop
>This is holding back gaming
>Not the DRM boxes that literally hold the industry hostage by forcing devs to prioritize them because of absurd amounts of money poured into propaganda about how their the best way to play video games par none
OP, it doesnt matter if this is some pathetic attempt at bait or you are actually retarded enough to think this way, youll always be a faggot.

>>713165709
Back in the days the big console makers had distribution partners in those areas who made and released those consoles for them locally cause shipping everything there was way too expensive. But the hardware got more expensive and more complicated so producing them over there no longer remained an option. And nobody in South America is gonna buy a PS5 if it costs the equivalent to 1500 USD. Not only because shipping but also because a lot of countries over there tend to have ridiculous import fees.

Just look up PSN and how its not available in over half the world.

>>713165836
>this cope AGAIN

>>713165893
If you don't have a pc that's at least as powerful as a console then you should stick to emulation. There's no excuse other than living in some poor shithole.

>>713165801
>cheap outdated garbage
like 240hz oled monitors? i'd rather have the game fully saturate an oled than have a faggot light setting that cuts the framerate in half

>>713165957
>this delusion AGAIN

>consoles themselves can hardly run games at 60 fps STILL
Borderlands 4 also has 2 stacking DRM, look at the Steam warnings if your eyesight allows it, 55 year old PC Vegans fanboy warring baldies.

>>713165298
keep putting out shitty moviegames no one wants to play. I'm sure you'll make bank that way
>>713165893
>the DRM boxes that literally hold the industry hostage
OY VEY YOU FUCKING ANTI-SEMITE. DELETE THIS POST YOU INTOLERANT PIECE OF SHIT. I'LL HAVE YOU HANGED FOR THIS

Talking about thirdies. It is just funny how India despite having widespread internet access simply gets ignored by all gaming companies.
Sure - Steam is available in India but did you ever see indian Steam users? No because indian regulations cripple Steam over there and stop the platform from gaining marketshare. You can only buy things on Steam if you have an international credit card - which most indians don't have - or if you use a service like Novapay which is a problem in itself. The console market is just ignoring the country entirely. Want a PS5 over there? Get it through one of those import stores who will put you on a waiting list. You will overpay of course. And why bother its not like any of your indian friends got a PS5 as well so you would be all alone with yout God of War/TLOU playing white brick.

>>713166230
i do hope you're not mentally ill enough to call the paper thin steam protection as drm

>>713130162 (OP)
denuvo will make it run worse don't worry

>>713130162 (OP)
dogshit game with dogshit visuals has dogshit optimization
oh no

>>713134102
System requirements are shamelessly taken out of the ass on almost every newly published Steam game. It pisses me off

PC Vegan time

>>713166467
Like that other anon said. Minimum requirements simply means "shittiest hardware the devs had available for testing purposes"
There is shovelware on Steam which runs on 15 year old PCs but the store page will still say you need a 3060 cause that was the weakest GPU the dev had

>>713131841
This. Fox Engine is a masterpiece.
Game itself is trash, but it run smooth as fuck in my old R7m265 Laptop

>>713166457
>requiring a pc as powerful as a 5 year old console is bad

>>713146953
>and they do it without stutters unlike PC
Yeah, with resolution upscaling and even then it has regular fps drops.

>>713166524
consolecucks never ask questions, they don't have any sense of individuality or value
the perfect consumers

>>713148198
Some guy with an ancient gaming laptop in Sri Lanka is not your target audience.

>>713166684
Third worlders don't understand that the $5 they're willing to spend on a game is basically worthless to a billion dollar first world company. Going out of your way to cater to people who don't have money is a retarded idea.

>>713166548
Not always true. Remember the Helldivers 2 update that finally started using AVX2 and made the game nonfunctional on anything older than sandy bridge?

>>713130162 (OP)
Runs on my machine. :^)
Too bad i would never play borderlands slop LMAO.

>>713166684
Thats what people don't get. Sure, half the users on Steam run ancient shittops but those people would never buy your game even if it ran on their ancient hardware. Your average Sri Lanka gamer is playing Dota and Smite. You won't get this guy to spend even 10 bucks on Boredomlands.

>>713160535
Ocarina of time looking good there

>>713130162 (OP)
Works on my machine, I won't buy it thoughever.

>>713130162 (OP)
imagine caring about the industry lmao
maybe if they buy me a gaming pc i will consider testing their slop...if the game is free

>>713130162 (OP)
i piss and shit on modern game "developers" and their garbage games

>>713157281
>Minimum Low 30 FPS
>i5-8400
>16 GB RAM
>6 GB VRAM
Doom Eternal looked way better and you could run the game at high settins with these specs.

>>713130162 (OP)
Maybe if you wanted your game to succeed you'd fucking optimize it and have lower res/graphics options to actually reach a wider market instead of diversifying your entire cast to "reach a wider audience".

>>713168217
PC vegan /r/GCJ troon, you don't know?

>>713139672
Most steam users don't target 4K. Consoles do

>>713130284
Yeah but they get the job done as a dedicated gaming console. Not everyone has 5k to drop on a pc for 120 fps

>>713168274
Doom TDA runs with forced gay tracing and is yet another good example of bad optimization. It looks just like Eternal and the specs are a lot crazier.

>>713130162 (OP)
I checked this garbage article. It's only talking about CPU cores, which is ridiculous. They claim the game asks for 8 cores minimum which is retarded, I doubt you need 16 threads for a dumb shooter no matter how bad the optimization is. In fact if it's able to use that many threads at once then it's good optimization in a way and it should work just fine with 6 cores.

>>713132789
they somehow manage to spend half a decade on a game while putting in less work than games that were developed in like two years

>>713165465
Some older Intel cpus were so powerful even before 2012 once overclocked that they could still game just fine today, I'm not surprised.

Gearbox giving me another reason to save me money and free myself from this series. That's Badass!

>>713165465
/v/ is the third world PC mecca of the gaming industry

>>713130162 (OP)
>Every prediction about upscaling becoming mandatory and optimization going to shit were correct
Who would have thought?

>>713169315
But hey, at least I can see every individual blade of grass.

>>713131969
File size is half the reason I don't even bother buying new games from big studios anymore. Ship a separate version of the game without 4k textures, ffs.

There isn't a single good Borderlands game.

>>713130162 (OP)
lazy devs not knowing how to use UE5 is holding back the industry

>>713139756
2 is the only good BL game. The DLCs are also really good. Just delete the files for voice lines so it skips them and you don't have to wait around for 30 years while people talk.

>>713170604
>2 is the only good BL game
Wrong, there isn't a single good Borderlands game. The first one is the best but the bar is incredibly low.

>>713165465
>Console game ran fine on 15 year old hardware
>Update fucked thousands of paying customers out of their purchase
>This is the customers fault somehow
This industry is so stupid.

>>713165465
>AVX2
?

>>713168323
Kek upscaled 4k isn’t targeting 4k

>>713157124
they dont, they say they do put a nice coat on something a the dickheads that spent 2g go finally I can wank myself off

>>713131848
Tarkov needs 32gb

>>713163343
the witcher looks like shit and plays like it

>>713165298
all you faggots use is steam

>>713130162 (OP)
>Half of all steam users
Exclude 3rd world jeets and run the numbers again.

>>713130162 (OP)
>now

>>713171818
Indians don't even use Steam

This is how we arrived here:
>Horse Armor cosmetic DLC
>In app purchases
>Half finished games with DLC
>Collectors editions become shit (Fallout 76)
>Gacha lootboxes
>Battle Passes
>Offloads resource hogging processes onto end user rather than optimizing (to save time and costs)
>Increases prices (because fuck you)
>Makes a "collector's edition" not even include the game anymore

Up next:
NVIDIA is going to start selling users a GPU that functions more as an access card you pay a tiered subscription for that gives you access to the processing power of their data centers.

>>713166331
You don't need to say "over there". We all know you're Indian.

>>713172227
Nah, i am german. Just did research because i saw Steam language stats one day and realized that Hindi isn't even there despite a billion plus jeets existing. So i thought Steam was banned over there and started checking what people online say about it.

>>713172304
Normal people use computers in English not their local language. We don't dub The Simpsons either.

>>713172416
According to google only like 130 million jeets speak/write english. You would still see Hindi show up for the vast majority but even fucking bulgarian is more relevant making up 0.05% of users.

>>713172203
bah, thats just a slippery slope fallacy

>>713130162 (OP)
You're right. Smart devs should make fun, ambitious games with cool mechanics (not just hyperrealism shit) and they should target better hardware to not stifle their creativity. That's how things were in the golden age. It's only recently that every third worlder with an 8 year old gaming laptop got access to the internet and started complaining about how "good optimization" meant every game could run on their shit hardware, and anything that couldn't was a meme game not worth playing. It used to be people got excited by leaps in tech, not mad at them. And before the third worlders get angry, no, I'm not defending shit like Stalker 2 that's mechanically worse than the old games but runs terribly. I want devs to actually innovate mechanics.

>>713172910
stalker 2 ran fine on my barely mid range pc with 4 year old parts
people were just spoiled by the mega weak 8th gen consoles

>>713159346
PC gaming is suffering from a severe lack of optimization, too. I wish devs would spend more time on creating new mechanics and interactions rather than putting even more makeup on their creatively bankrupt games

>>713165465
>make an update
>product becomes worse in some capacity
That should never happen

>>713173229
press button to watch animation

>>713173145
Anon, I have a 14700k and a 5080 and Stalker 2 still runs pretty bad at 1440p. 60fps with drops and stutters and horrible temporal smearing on lighting effects isn't good.

>>713173592
my childhood pc ran vice city at 15 fps

>>713130162 (OP)
>Denuvo's holding back the industry now.
FTFY

>>713166575
That only costs $400, though. A Ryzen 8600G has an iGPU that performs the same as PS5's.

>see thread
>read thread
>decide to check out BL4s graphics
>youtube vid from some spastic faggot who got to play it early
>some floating head making stupid non-jokes about killing you real good till youre dead
>npc tells you to come talk to them
>its some giant brown retard dude whose le heckin epic wholesome chungus mommy-man
i hope this shit crashes and burns as much as it looks like it might
>people shitting on double DRM
>top seller on steam for all of 5 hours, and near bottom of list at best
>no hype
>not even jeet marketing(yet)

>>713173145
8th gen being weak is one thing, the more important PC parts were generally more affordable too.

>>713130162 (OP)
>graphics look 1% better
>system requirements doubled
and they wonder why we're enjoying watching the industry collapse.

>>713160535
>lightsabre clipping into body
ffs

>you need a 5080 to render this WoW raid tier looking shitty axe and one enemy
>also you need DLSS and upscaling from 720 or you cant get a stable cinematic 30 FPS

>Meanwhile, Satisfactory exists.

>>713163268
>Games don't look the same as they did 10 years ago
You're right, they look worse.
Same Dev Studio
Same Character
One of these games came out in 2015, the other came out in 2024.

>>713171606
Dumbfuck retard. They try to, that's the point.
Also good upscaling is better than native with TAA.

>>713173145
The problem is that Stalker 2 is fucking trash

>>713175505
>good upscaling is
redeem the AI saar

>>713175612
Luddite cope.

>>713176024
now show it in 60+ fps motion, not a heavily cropped zoomed in still fucking image
disingenuous faggot

Deckfaggots need to 41% themselves already

>>713176207
It's cropped to see the difference more easily you actual disingenuous HYPER TRANNY FAGGOT.
The quality difference in motion is even more obvious, retard
I don't even like it either, but modern devs are so fucked that they destroyed the concept of native resolution being best due to TAA being this bad, to the point where you in fact get better image quality out of upscaling with the 2 proprietary upscalers, DLSS and FSR4.
Just pretending that it's not happening helps no one.

Ignore the graphics debate for a moment, I just wish PC versions would get menus that aren't made for controllers but a mouse instead.

>I don't like it
>Shills and defends it zealously
yea ok kike

>>713130332
Yeah cp77 was fire on it!

>>713176905
you forgot to add #ad

>>713130162 (OP)
it's not just toasters even high-end can't beat the #stutterstruggle

i feel like people forget how fucking awful borderlands 3 ran before like 2-3 patches
i guess because most people ignored its whole fucking first year of being on little timbos store only

Hrm... mandatory gaytracing? You don't want to "bake" the lighting you say...? Then alas, I shall not buy the game. The great chuddah states one must worship the baked lighting of the ancients...

>>713130162 (OP)
Retarded zoomers when they find out the $900 gaming PC they bought in 2021 won't run the newest games

>>713177460
>thinks you can't have baked lighting and ray tracing

>>713166524
>PC Vegan
Stop trying to force this term

>>713130162 (OP)
Firstly, newell's ass steam != PC gaming
secondly, steamdick cretins are consoloids

saars why are you broke boys please redeem better job
>works for literal peas thrown on his desk
>helps code the AI that replaces him
>goes home to 'game' on an xbox 360 he found floating in the river

so where did all of the recent seething about pc gaming come from?

>>713165268
nta, genuine question, etc.
are you autistic? "relative to other games of the time" is a very low bar to reason out

>>713177978
maybe the fact that the industry is having a massive competency crisis, which is being "helped" by nvidia greasing everyones palms to push their new GPU gimmick in an effort to continue to sell increasingly expensive and increasingly unneeded cards?

>>713132948
Obsessed

>>713178095
that doesn't answer my question.

>>713177430
More like 5-6 patches. Around the 2nd or 3rd, they reworked Mayhem mode, only to make it unplayable. That's one of the reasons why the Guardian Takedown was so shit other than it being shit and why Bounty of Blood was so good. When it released, GB actually fixed their mess and made the game playable, if not fun

>>713178205
then im afraid you're far too retarded to hold a conversation

Raytracing is part of the PS5 and Nintendo Switch 2 GPU feature set. It has been the GPU standard since 2018. 4K was introduced to consoles with the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X in the mid 2010s.

There are /v era vega/ /r/GCJ PC fanboys bragging about their 1080p PC builds without Raytracing capable GPUs. "Mandatory Raytracing", like DX11 required GPUs in 2010. Food for thought about who the mustard race is here and on Reddit.

whats symbiote do randy
randy why does the game need symbiote AND denuvo
randy why did you remove symbiotes listing from steam
randy what are you hiding

Real fans will find a way to upgrade their pcs.

Imagine feeling the need to upgrade for Borderlands of all games. You'd have to pay me to play this game.

>>713178867
uh oh sweetiepie does someone need a hug
are you ok, do you want to talk about it
i baked cookies do you want some of those?
are you sure youre staying hydrated hun, ive got plenty of water if you need it

>>713130162 (OP)
Hopefully it's sales exclude all steam users

>>713132292
I'll do you a solid anon: use void tools "everything" in place of windows search.

>>713130162 (OP)
my personal tinfoil hat theory is that any devs with enough expertise to make games run on shitty hardware all naturally joined mobile game companies. mobile games would naturally pay them a ton more since hardware constraints are much more important there. plus mobile games make a fuckton of money.
this means devs left on pc games are more incompetent which means hardware has to make up for shittier software.
the basis for this idea is that it came to me in a dream while I was taking a shit.

>>713178867
Why can't you afford to upgrade to 16GB VRAM GPUs and a 8 core CPU? Wasn't the PS4 an 8 core CPU/APU in 2013? The PS4 Pro and Xbox One X were 4K consoles in the mid 2010s. Why can't your PC play Borderlands 4 at 4K 60FPS?

>>713179370
>the good devs went elsewhere because they're good
lmao
no
the good devs dont get hired
because theyre not jeets that work for pennies
or blue haired MTFs that get the company goodboy kickbacks
short term greed-blindness is 100% why everythings in the state its in

>the only person I know that unironically is willing to play borderslop with me is still using a GTX 970 and a 4650k
It's so over, I'm sorry Randy but without friends I just can't play your game.

>>713173456
not what I call amazing

>>713178205
pc users cant act up like dicks and talk down to people so they're upset

>>713168274
>A 3-year old handheld not being able to run a brand-new AAA game is proof that PC sucks

>>713163268
Games used to look good, you're right. It's kind of retarded that games look bad now, though. The current generation hardware can run old games at insanely good graphics settings, so it's not like hardware has devolved.

It's always been like this. You just got meme'd into joining the PC master race.

>>713130162 (OP)
game will still run like ass on latest hardware and the story will be even worse than 3

>>713130162 (OP)
I have a 5090, I could very easily run Borderlands 4. I'm not going to though.

>i totes have a 5090 im pc mustard GOD
>i just ch..chose n-not to use it on one of the few games that justify its existence
>c-cause i just..d-dont wanna
>c-c-console p-plebs

>>713184080
You don't need to justify a 5090. poorfag. Playing spread sheet games on 5090 is justified. Also Borderlands is shit. I played 2 back in the day, awful game. 1 was better, but still not that great. I'd not play it again. Gearbox would have to pay me for me to play their games.

>>713130284
Performance mode for this gen of consoles reaches 60 fps on most titles (albeit at the cost of dogshit visual quality). Can’t say any other generations offered that option at least

>>713184325
>Playing spread sheet games on 5090 is justified
If all you’re playing on your 5090 is spread sheet games, then you absolutely wasted money like a retard.

>my 3090 is holding the industry back with it's 24 GBs of GDDR6x VRAM

Well, shit.

>>713185828
soul

>>713161021
dont forget they’re portraying the people who have opted-in to a hardware survey as “all of steam”

>>713130162 (OP)
few days ago I made a comment how AMD is fucking stupid for not pushing APUs as hard as possible so we could have at least ps5 tier performance for reasonable price. today I found out nvidia is doing just that with N1X which is on par with 9800X3D paired with rtx 5700. if nvidia gets the pricing right this will be huge for average user but somehow I doubt it, it will probably be priced north of $2000 in mini PC format.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkGtPC63i4M

>>713168217
bot post?

If consoles didn't exist buying a 4080+ would be mandatory because devs would optimize even less they already do now.

>>713187474
ofcourse, nvidia's market share would be even closer to 99% since AMD has the console market.
Nvidia has every incentive to make their last generation of GPUs obsolete as soon as possible.

>>713130162 (OP)
ChatGPT article. Why the fuck would they phrase it as 'alienate' rather than just 'exclude'?

>>713185039
My money, not your money. I can do whatever I want with it poorfag. If I want to spend it on a 5090 and then play spreadsheet games on it, that is something I'm allowed to do. Because it's my money, I earned it. You did not.

>>713130162 (OP)
raytracing is a meme just like 3D TVs and VR headsets. the sooner they drop forced garbage gimmicks like it the better

>>713130162 (OP)
Every piece of news I see about upcoming Blunderlands is some kind of a fuck up. Amazing.

>>713189519
The shit they refuse to report on is even worse.

Crysis came out in 2007 and still looks better then modern games because it gave zero fucks about console niggers

>>713189767
crysis as a series solidified my hate for console plebs holding back gaming
when crysis 2 came out it
>had a vastly simplified control scheme suitable for a controller
>linear boxed in maps
>generic as fuck multiplayer (with killstreaks literally copied from CoD 4

>>713189996
This, but for Deus Ex and Thief.

>>713176024
All three loos the same to me.

>>713172558
The jeets that don't even speak English are probably poor beyond belief.

>>713130162 (OP)
pclets will run it with modified .ini to remove shadows and all textures and will still claim consoles are the the bottleneck.

>>713195737
Consoles have $50 zen 2 cpus

>>713130162 (OP)
People still gives a shit about borderlands?
I thought TTW killed the series.

If your game needs more than a 2500k/1060 than it's unoptimized trash that I shan't be boughtening.