Including waiting time, this game is just not fun for like 75% of time. I don't have a clue why people play it.

>>713145570 (OP)
>this game is just not fun for like 75% of time

PVP games aren't for people who can't handle losing. You're meant to learn from your losses and think about what you could have done better next time. Multiplayer games are for people who want to prove they're better than others. If you don't mind being inferior, then play something else.

>>713145570 (OP)
>my opinions are facts

>>713145716
PvP games are for addicts, every game you enter (unless it's a 1v1, completely deterministic, game) is RNG where you have a little influence. It's essentially gambling. Just think you play a 5v5 match where you have agency over 10% of the match. Yes if you improve over a long enough timeline you will climb but these games are designed to get you addicted to the win. PvP games aren't fun when you are losing, it's not fun to lose if you are an improvement focused person as you feel you are not improving. ASSFAGGOT's are especially unfun when losing due to the nature of the economy in game and how playing from behind is miserable.

>>713145927
>every game you enter (unless it's a 1v1, completely deterministic, game) is RNG where you have a little influence

That's not true at all. You're one of five players on the team, and that means you have at least control of 20% of the win. Considering most people are stupid, it's higher than 20% if you're competent. You don't understand this because you're unintelligent. Feel free to reply after the filter and keep in mind I filtered the rest of the board. I'll take a screenshot to show you what it looks like.

>>713145570 (OP)
I play like a handful of games a week. It has faults, but it has soul. Plus the familiar loop reminds me of the golden years of Warcraft custom games/Dota 1. Plus there is alot of so

Sure you can get tilted, but that's part of online vidya. It's all about self introspection and your attitude. You really do learn alot about yourself.

Fuck climbing ladder though. I'm simply not that good at video games, and have no desire to push myself to my limit.

Also fuck sniper

This is how it looks. As you can see, your post isn't there. I suggest posting another image because I've been doing this longer than you've been on this website. My other thread has five new replies from the shitskin NPCs that I need to scroll past.

>>713146009
>get 4 retards or even 1 retard
>they lose ALL the advantage you have earned with 1 wrong move
>"you le control 20% you le had a chance"
16k matches here, it's pure RNG.

sex with hoodwink

>>713145570 (OP)
its not about having fun, you wouldn't get it.

>>713145570 (OP)
Stop trying to make LC the poster girl for Dota Valve, your DEI girlboss is nothing but a cheap knockoff

>>713146093
post mmr with timestamp, i can tell youre a dog shit bot. actually maybe don't do that, you'll ask me to post mine and claim i somehow got lucky with the gamba

>>713146009
I don't play ASSFAGGOT's anymore, I played LoL when it came out for a few years and played like 200 hours of DotA. Have played R6S, CS:GO, Rocket League. All of these games and their ranked systems obviously will get you to the rank you deserve to be in, but once you are there it's RNG + your skill, however if you are at the rank you are supposed to be at then you have to be playing at 100% of your ability to only have 10% (yes 10% because you are 1 of 10 people in the match) influence over the game. People don't have fun in these games unless winning, I've never had fun losing, I've never heard a friend have fun losing, never heard a teammate have fun losing. It isn't fun to lose. The best advice you can give someone who tilts easy is to tell them that the matchmaking is RNG and you only have agency over yourself. I'm GC in Rocket League and freeplay is more fun that games, games are just there to play for a few mins after grinding mechanics in freeplay since that's how you actually get better at the game.

Anyone who says you can have fun when losing is not a competitive person.

>>713146583
>Anyone who says you can have fun when losing is not a competitive person.
doesn't mean much from a competitive crossdresser having a woman moment

>>713146672
literally rent free

>>713146690
things women know best

>>713145570 (OP)
because its the greatest game of all time no game provides you with higher highs and lowers lows then dota 2

>>713146672
>no rebuttal
I accept your concession.

>>713146308
A lot of people have naturally high MMR because they are young and talented, but some of high MMR people are there because they try hard to beat the system. Also I suspect that Dota+ subscription can influence your MMR climb.
Okay it's not pure RNG, you can actually control it, but it's soul-crushing job. You need to remake accounts, you need to copy what other people do (be a metaslave), you need to play role that you might not like, you need to try hard every game, which is mentally taxing. You get there to high MMR, will still see dumb people and dumb shit done, but the effort made will be tremendous. I just play for fun and what I like. My MMR is 3500.

>>713147148
How can you have such a strong opinion on the subject of competition, when you end your talk with not wanting to play optimally and just doing le whacky for fun? Doing le whacky in a starcraft 1v1 isn't going to get you anywhere either.

>Board full of unemployed people cant into team based games
Kek

>>713145570 (OP)
Idk either but it sure is fun throwing in these kinds of games. The right kind of retard plays them and your options to completely ruin a game are nearly endless

>>713147267
Because it's how the game works. Imagine you need to climb MMR and like to play support heroes. About 10 years ago climbing as a support was really hard (it's hard still but if you know how to abuse the system, you can climb). Then you naturally switch to mid - and then get 5 smurfs in a row against you that stomp your ass. There is a way to counter it: play more games, on average you will always climb if you're good at the game. But do you really want to sit hours and hours on your ass playing same hero, doing same actions because mathematically they have higher % of win? It's fun to try new things that might work instead of playing Invoker mid all day every day.

>>713147148
young and talented > high mmr
beating the system > high mmr
using dota+ suggestions > high mmr
controlling the variables you can > high mmr
playing what works > high mmr
winning in a role thats not your main > high mmr
trying harder than your opponents > high mmr
also being mentally stronger and not throwing a hissy fit > high mmr


remaking accounts > not high mmr
having shit mental and crying > not high mmr
playing pa support for fun > not high mmr
losing everytime you have to fill for a role > not high mmr

its crazy how that works

>>713147745
You never have to play mid as a support because you can play infinite support role queue games, you have a different "hidden" mmr for all the roles you don't play (about 1-2 stars max ~300mmr), and you can literally just play sniper mid in your rank, literal 0 iq hero and if you have any resemblence of gamesense, gank a couple of times before the 10 minute mark with shrapnel and don't feed your ass you can win in 3.5k.

Ofc you can stay being a support cuck, nothing wrong with that, but picking le invoker for fun and being surprised simiarly skilled opponents who main that lane that you choose for le fun, not because you are forced to, and blaming it on the game is pretty retarded. Good luck with any of your irl endevaours with this mentality.

>>713145570 (OP)
It's fun

>>713148062
very fun

>>713145570 (OP)
It's fun for me 100% of the time since I only play with friends.

>>713151709
>It's fun for me 100% of the time since I only play with friends.

What's your play time? It shouldn't be fun 100% of the time because there should be times where you and your friends get stomped.

>>713146261
>Stop trying to make LC the poster girl for Dota Valve
They do? She barely appears in anything and is never meta, she's just the "I want to play pos 1 in the offlane" retard pick.

>>713151795
I've been playing on and off with them since DotA Allstars.

>>713152131
Hm... 1k hours should have been enough time to lose once, so I guess you just don't care if you lose. I wish everyone was like that, but I'll queue for Turbo and the other team is playing like it's Ti.
What role do you play?

>>713152131
1k hours thats nothing lol just casual play

>>713152365
>1k hours thats nothing lol

Why do you talk shit about other people's hours and not post your own? Are you a SEAnigger?

>>713152425
I'm ashamed to admit that I have 9000 hours in this fucking game and I never even broke out of 4K mmr

I unironically play Dark Willow for the gameplay

>>713152501
>I'm ashamed to admit that I have 9000 hours in this fucking game and I never even broke out of 4K mmr

What does 4k mmr even mean? I don't understand why people use the number and they don't name the bracket.

>>713152543
4k is divine I think

>>713147674
second this.
the only joy I've found in this deplorable game is making plays that I know will annoy my teammates that are taking it too seriously. conversating with them and trolling via voice chat is the most fun I've ever had in multiplayer games in general.
trolling is kind of an artform, too. I thank csgo and dota for letting me practice manipulating other people's emotions. they partially made me the man I am today.
don't play either one anymore because they are too unplayable now.

>>713152634
Thanks for that. Can you explain why people call it 4k? In-game, it's shown as a badge and stars, so why do people use a number?

>>713145570 (OP)
It's therapeutic, if done correctly. If done incorrectly, however, it's the opposite of therapeutic, and will cause severe mental damage.

>>713145570 (OP)
It's too league of legends like now.

>>713152680
it used to be numbers back then

>>713152680
because you can literally see the number bro

>>713152738
You're not my bro, and where do you see the number?

>>713146009
Which means the time you take to climb is fucking insane.
And the issue is that since it's a team based games, undeserved losses can be very tough to bear if you play multiple games a day, bringing your performance down in a game where you have a decent team.

The climbing in MOBA is just shit anyway, as it is in any game with sbmm
I stopped playing at around 4k MMR for 2k hours played and if the game allowed me to play with much more skilled players (even on unranked), I'd have reached that level in 800 hours. This is how I improved really quickly in fps games with community servers, I could easily join sweaty ones, get fucked and improve a lot in a very short time.

I play Turbo from time to time with my stack of 5, it's pretty fun, especially if you are playing a more important role (carry or mid).

>>713152761
Go to your profile and then go to history. It's in the upper right corner.

>>713152860
That's weird. Mine says Uncalibrated with 0% Rank Confidence. Oh well. I still don't understand why people use the number.

>>713152968
You literally don't have MMR so no number for you lol

>>713152543
It's basically mid tier. MMR is between 0 and I think 8000. 4000 means you're competent, not completely shit but you're not great either

>>713153038
>You literally don't have MMR

Yeah, but I have a badge that says I'm a shitty Legend. I don't know why it says I'm uncalibrated.

>>713145570 (OP)
Is it possible that you hate yourself?

>>713153043
>It's basically mid tier

Why can't people just say their rank, though? 4k mmr doesn't mean anything. If someone says they're Archon or whatever then you'll know exactly what they are.

>>713152968
Back when you were still unborn, there were no label ranks, only numbers.

>>713145570 (OP)
Not playing until techies are brought back.

>>713153298
nta why are you acting like a retard? clearly you are new to the game and don't know what you're talking about.
you gain 25 mmr for a win and get taken away as much when you lose. that's where the number comes from.
a "rank" is simply a translated mmr number.

>>713153398
I played Warcraft 3 Dota, so I was alive back then. Nice try, though. I'm filtering this thread now. You replied to it because I have 99% of the board automatically filtered at all times. That means you sub-humans can camp this thread, check your other threads, or open new ones. It stays at 99%. Enjoy each other's company.

You always lose 50% of your matches in PvP games. Some people, like you, cant handle losing.
So yeah, if you cant have fun even when losing then dont play PvP games.

>>713153406
This
Dota lost all its soul over the course of the years

>>713152425
lol not sure where you got talking shit from 1k hours is nothing in dota 2

but im coming close to 5k hours

>>713152131
>I've been playing on and off with them since DotA Allstars.
That implies that you are playing Dota2 since 2011, while having 1200 hours.

I have around 4k hours and stopped playing around 2019 (6 years ago)

Even if you are playing on and off with friends, that means you are playing around 6.9h a month, or 1.6h a week (14min a day), so about lets say we are generous and not count queue time, 3 games max a week.

You are larping.
You didnt start with Allstars.
You are not playing on and off with friends.
You are a loner who started playing a couple of years ago with no friends

>>713153902
On and off meaning play a bit for a few weeks, 3 years stop playing, something like that.

>>713145570 (OP)
No one does play it, people play league.

>>713153902
a lot of people cap about playing dota in general idk why people claim they play a game they dont

>>713155119
>chinks and gooks and browns
>people

>>713155119
>loses 40% of their playerbase in 6 months in you are path

>>713155624
how'd that happen

>>713153406
>techies changed
>techies fans (singular) upset
>players of 125/126 heroes rejoice
Maybe a hero where NOBODY is having fun when picked, not even his own team, was the problem

>>713155119
>people

>>713145716
True for 1v1 or premade teams. 99.999% of the playerbase will only ever play with randoms.

>>713145570 (OP)
Really hope they make MMR how it use to be. MMR hasn't been impressive since Miracle- hit 8k.

this is the result of a game only being fun when you win, because the ACTIONS that you do DURING GAMEPLAY are not fun in themselves.

this is also the result of a game having a ranking system and stupid zoomers, and tryhard who think ranking means you must play your life, and dumb bitches who lose their mind over insults on the internet, who cares.

finally in MOBAs you farm MOBS. that s just fudamentally not very fun. also the games dont look good, you could draw dopamine from nice art direction, music, animations. wow vanilla had that these games dont have that. wow vanilla is superior in every way to these games. i didnt try dota back in the day but i know atleast it had better colours and art etc which maybe subconciously pushed people to have more fun also people used to be white now you have to deal with these screenching inbreds. also 5v5 isnt very fun, high number smeans you can shill becaus eless responsibility. its not as tryhardy when the playercount is higher. like 5v5 CS vs 12v12.

a good game is when people can not give a fuck about the objective and still have fun depsite losing like team fotress 2 WoW etc

>>713159178
>wow vanilla is superior in every way to these games

World of Warcraft isn't even a videogame since there is no challenge.

>>713159246
you know there is pvp and battlegrounds in wow right, capture the flag hold bases etc (sometimes ignored to straight up deathmatch)

>>713145570 (OP)
>I don't have a clue why people play it.
called addiction and being a braindead russian where your other option is dying in ukraine.

>>713145570 (OP)
It's addictive like crack
Crack is also shit for your body, but a lot of people use due to addiction

>>713145716
>PVP games aren't for people who can't handle losing.
PvP games are retarded, not even boxer have sparring fights every single day because it's retarded. Meanwhile addicted subhumans play these games +12 hours when you probably don't even learn anything after 3-4 hours a day because there's just so much information your brain can store per day.

>>713145570 (OP)
i think youre supposed to queue with a duo partner atleast, otherwise it feels like gambling for good teammates.

>>713145570 (OP)
like 90% of the fanfics i read are shit but i still keep doing it because i like nice stories about games i like. same principle
if you don't like nice things you like, then you can just fuck off