I don't even give a shit about the woke stuff, it's the completely dogshit writing and incredible injustice to Joel's character that makes it a strong contender for one of the worst games of all time.

>>713145687 (OP)
writing is pretty bad but the gameplay is a pretty big step up over the original

>be a murdering psycho who knowingly doomed humanity and has zero regrets
>gets rightfully murdered

oh no the injustice!

>>713145924
I don't see how writing is bad. It's fine, the story is interesting too, though too long in my opinion. The gameplay is exactly the same as in the first game, don't know why people keep parroting this.

>>713148531
>The gameplay is exactly the same as in the first game, don't know why people keep parroting this.
Really making me question if you even played the game

>>713145687 (OP)
Gameplay is more important than story and the gameplay is good

>>713145924
I only tried the first one, it reminded me of Manhunt. Not bad but nothing new and it didn't really appeal to me. How is the 2nd one better?

>>713148852
Gameplay is basically last of us 1, though. Yeah, there is more blood now, it looks better, but that's it. It's the same game mechanically.
Meanwhile, the story is a HUGE downgrade. The first game was simple with its story and message, the second went for these multiple philosophy lessons, which would be fine if Druckmann actually knew how to do it, but he fucked up. He is a bad writer, no wonder he got reject as a filmmaker.

>>713149196
>It's the same game mechanically.
You didn't play the game nigga. The literal first part of 2 is throwing you into melee, which is different and VASTLY improved over the first game.

>>713149407
Well, I only played PC versions of both games. I don't know how PS3 tlou worked. I should have said "mechanically" since mechanics were improved, but the gameplay itself stayed the same. It's a journey through some corridors mixed with some shooting, some easy puzzles and some stealth. Okay tlou2 has ONE open area, which kinda sucked

What I hate about the story the most are not its ideas. Ideas are actually interesting and would have worked well if the scenario was good, but it was fucking horrible. It's full of lucky encounters. Like Abby going for the boat and randomly getting in a fight with Tommy and fucking Manny is there, because they didn't know how to write Manny off.
The game was full of this bullshit. And it killed it for me entirely.

>>713145687 (OP)
Gameplay is great though so I don't care. One of the best games of 2020s so far, boring HBO story aside.

>>713150008
I wish there was a better TPS with these crazy, violent gunfights. Tlou2 had too little gunfights and too little ammo to fuck shit up.

>>713150298
Intergalactic may be the one. I know nobody likes the protagonist but I'm still hopeful for gameplay.

>>713145687 (OP)
The writing is just ass. Joel dying was a good call but absolutley mangled by the rest of the story.

>>713145687 (OP)
I don't think it's that bad.
First half was quite solid, it only getting bad after the second half and especially how it ended itself.
>incredible injustice to Joel's character
I disagree on this and I don't really understand this take, I think killing Joel is one of the most interesting decision and worst game of all time? far from it. gameplay wise, it's fun and decent.
>>713150365
>Intergalactic may be the one
I doubt so to be honest. the writing is probably going to be a reference to the Palestine vs Israel from a zionist stand point, so naw, it's going to be so shit.

>>713145687 (OP)
I uninstalled the first game a few hours in because after it happening 10 times in 30 minutes I literally went "if this shit takes control from me again this is going to be wiped from my hd".

Bros, Ellie is so hot...what a wasted opportunity for the tv show
I want to be her dad+lover so bad.

>>713148531
>be a murdering psycho who knowingly doomed humanity
OK Neil.
>>713145924
>>713148852
>>713149407
>>713150008
Imagine being so easily impressed by generic console shooting and generic console stealth. You don't play videogames.

>>713145687 (OP)
>muh Joel!
Seethe and dilate

>>713149553
>How PS3 tlou worked
Both PS3 and PS4 ver of TLOU were ok for their time but aged like milk.
PS5 Part I & II Remastered is the way to go.

>>713153608
TLOU is for troons.

>>713145687 (OP)
revenge is le bad
Ellie is gay btw.

>>713153594
It's actually the level design that makes it great. There's a lot of ways to solve every encounter which makes it very creative

>>713153647
>PS5 Part I & II Remastered is the way to go.

>>713145687 (OP)
What was bad about the writing?

>>713154773
Is there a mod to change Ellie into that ugly autistic non-binary goblin that plays her in the TV show?

>>713154870
characters acting retarded.
characters acting woke.
whores being stronk

>>713154973
>characters acting retarded.
They’re just normal people making mistakes and being emotional
>woke
Wont even comment on this
>whores being stronk
Who? Elllie is likely a virgin. And she’s only atrong because its a video game. Not real life

>>713155076
>established character acts like a full on retard
>this makes sense because uhhhh emotions!!!

>>713148650
Just beat the two games back to back. Please, tell me how the mechanics are different.

>>713155146
>humans do irrational things
yes. but what instance in particular are you referring to?

>>713154773
So? She looks better on the right.

>>713155208
factually false
you sound like a chatbot btw.

>>713155151
Nta. The verticality and level designs were the big ones. More enemy types (dogs, more infected types, human types).More crafting items to be used for specific instances. Going prone also added an extra layer because of tall crazy and things of that nature. It was the first game but a lot kore robust. Certainly not fundamentally different though.

>>713155272
I end up sounding like a chatbot when giving low effort responses to anons who clearly have nothing of value to say yet for some retarded reason i keep replying anyway

>>713155415
what instance in particular are you referring to?

>>713155151
Did you notice that the first game is just corridors while the maps in 2 are open

>>713155460
when da character in last us 2 act out of da character anon wut instance you talking bout

>>713155596
what instance are you talking about? be more specific.

I hate that some of the best fucking gameplay is locked into this dogshit story.
Is it worth pirating for the roguelike mode? Is there fucking cutscenes in that too?

>>713155619
im asking u cuz u da 1 say it habbens

>>713154910
i hope not because they'll get DMCA'd since ND will probably release a TV series version of the same game on PS6.

>>713156175
why did druckmann have to kill naughty dog for his jewish hollywood dreams?

I'm watching a no-HUD/No Damage/Grounded gameplay and I honestly think if they had tried to copy the game 1:1 the TV show would be much better. I'm not even one of the retards seething about Bella, despite seeing her acting badass is kind of sad.

https://youtu.be/HrxDmyS77RE?t=2739

>>713156252
probably a necessary casualty because money was promised to him 3000 years ago

>>713156252
Naughty Dog has always been overrated trash.
The only semi good game was Jak&Daxter.

>>713154773
>Soitendo that never played PS3 Tlou, PS4 Tlou Remastered nor PS5 Tlou Part I thinks og is better because some reddit jpeg
Stay on that ugly tablet of yours.

>>713156437
Grounded is impossible for me. Maybe I’m just trash.

>>713153474
Imagine sex with Ellie

>>713156678
Ellie seggs

>>713150365
Aside from being bald the character in Intergalactic looks fine. Knowing Naughty Dog there will be plenty of skins so that won’t even be an issue when

>>713156543
Eliie was supposed to be a cunny.
now she's a woke uggo.
a gay woke uggo
disgusting

also revenge is le bad.

>>713157047
>also revenge is le bad.
revenge is bad only when done against the chosen people. goy's taking revenge is bad, CHOSEN ONES taking revenge is good.

>>713148531
>>be a murdering psycho who knowingly doomed humanity
>infected are almost a complete non issue in the sequel
>all the problems come from humans fighting humans
>some infected are mutating to be stronger but a cure would have no impact on this and it would have happened regardless.
Cuckmann is so fucking retarded

>>713148531
humanity has done nothing but try to murder you and if you'd sell out your daughter for a small chance to save what doesn't deserve saving you aren't human

>>713157216
>>infected are almost a complete non issue in the sequel
You are so dumb, most of the earth is uninhabitable due to them

>>713157238
>stupid feminist cunny whore <3
>everyone else :(

>>713157430
Joel didn’t have any faith that the fireflies would save the world. And even if he did, he would still save his daughter. Because fuck it. World is over. May as well save the “last of us”

>>713156678
what made ellie turn gay?

its usually some sort of trauma that makes chicks turn gay right?

>>713154745
>a snoy is mindblown by a game not being a corridor
lol.
>>713155076
Reddit is that way.

>>713154910
there is but why would you want that

>>713157216
if ellie is gay. and they used her dna or whatever to inject into people to make them immune, wouldnt that turn the people also gay? would you rather become immune, or become gay?

>>713157812
>his
it's a cunny.

>>713157921
>what made ellie turn gay?
the wh*te Jo-El raped her, obviously.

>>713158164
no, homosex comes from getting abused as a child and from chemical poisoning.

>>713145687 (OP)
>I don't even give a shit about the woke stuff
cuck

>>713158025
you’re retarded

>>713158289
if you got a mortal wound and the only person there who could give you blood transfusion is black, would you take it?

>>713157216
just because you don't encounter infected in the game doesn't mean they don't exist

>>713158597
Guess you fucked up then by telling the wrong story, you slimy jew.

>>713158539
why would i want aids and shieeettt

If you hate the story because Joel died, you are the cattle consumer you oh so love to beat on. You've exposed yourself as another slobber who don't wanna let devs and storytellers experiment and make bold decisions. You want safe Marvel shit.

>>713158729
>be Joel
>be non retarded
1 game later
>uhhhh I'm retarded now
>"HELLO, EVERY RANDOM UNKNOWN PEOPLE HERE, MY NAME IS JO-EL, YEAH WE KILLED DOCTORS AND SHIEIEETT BTW. JOEL, IT'S JO-EL"

>wow, this is bold storytelling!!!

>>713158859
he grew softer and let his guard down

>>713158859
It sounds retarded when you put it that way and ignore all the context, sure. You dishonest cuck dick up the anus fag

>>713158875
>hurrr, he just got old and senile

>>713158859
You should be transferred to a handicapped facility

>>713158947
>the context is that they arrived at a nice town full of murderers, and then tell everyone that they don't know at all, who their real names are
>this isn't retarded, it's trusting and beautiful

>>713158949
>old and senile
Like just what happens to... i dunno, real people?

people care way too much about Joel simply because he was the protagonist in the 1st game, but what he did was pretty fucked up (even though we agree with his decision)

>>713159026
>this just happens in the matter of a few months
>it makes sense, yes
>a spore got to him, which made him stupid
>weird that he didn't piss and shit himself

>>713158729
>>713158859
yeah it was the way he died that was gore porn from drukman. killed hordes of men in the first game but gets put down like a weak dumb animal. that makes no sense and is horrible story. he should have at least killed a good number of the squad and died in a shootout.

>>713159030
no, we don't.
fuck the feminist cunny.
i wanted to kiss the doctor and kill the feminist, but the "game" didn't let me.

also weird, I think the changed the skin color of the doctor too.
>be psycho
>see cunny
>grab cunny
>need to kill this doctor for no reason
>force "player" to kill doctor
1 game later
>WOW, YOU KILLED DA DOCTOR
contrived and stupid

>>713145687 (OP)
>muh deep zombie story
grow up

>>713159074
>gore porn
Wrong, you're just further proving me right phrasing how you view the event. His death was brutalized to illicit a reaction of hate in you going into the journey.

>>713155146
>established character acts like a full on retard

Elaborate on that. I already know your talking points and I am ready to prove they're completely wrong but I want you to participate in this. Unless, of course, you're satisfied with shitposting on /v/

>>713159132
>>713159058
you sound like an absolute mongoloid lol

>>713159242
Hes a retard who never played the game and is just using the same braindead flowchart arguments that have been destroyed for years

>>713159242
elaborate on your post. It's idiotic.

>>713159132
You are an absolutely mongrel.

>>713159319
>if you "played" the walking simulator, you would kill the doctor too!!!
No, fuck the feminist.

>>713159132
lol wut

>>713159380
lmfao yeah you’re either legitimately retarded or trolling

>>713159319

I know but I still take the time to remind those who care that TLoU shitposters haven't got a clue what they're talking about

>>713159337

What, so scared of being embarrassed on 4chan that you can't write a few sentences?

>>713159380

What are you talking about with those leaps of logic, you fucking schizo?

>>713159385

>>713159412
>lmao yeah
>you love the feminist cunny
no, she's a horrible human being, fuck her.
fucking parasite.
i would actually help killing that bitch.
she's a dead end anyway.

>>713159487
meds. now

Whoever assumes that a vet can't create a cure for a fungi infection he's truly delusional. All it takes is the brain of an immune girl who doesn't know she's going to be unalived after the procedure.

joel loses his beloved daughter. finds a girl who he grows close to and can become a father figure to for the daughter he lost. then finds out she was lesbo with a black. then sees her become lesbo with a jew. then shows father figure being put down like a farm animal. lol. this is a comedy. if drukman thinks he can impress us then with at least the gameplay theres better combat in milsims id rather play without this insane story.

>>713159541
>unalived

>>713159569
go with the times old man, "de*ad" is a trigger word. society has progressed

>>713159557
>she was lesbo with a black
>become lesbo with a jew
wow, kill that race mixing bitch.

>>713159601
>I'm mentally ill
I'm not.
KILLED
SUICIDE
SLIT YOUR THROAT
REMEMBER, USE THE KNIFE STRAIGHT, NOT VERTICALLY
DO IT NOW

>>713159659
touch grass old man.

What the fuck is this thread kek

>>713145687 (OP)
What happens if I play this on grounded?

>>713159857
When you die you have to restart the whole game

>>713159857
you will figure out that friendly npcs are invisible to the enemies

>>713145687 (OP)
>Incredible injustice to Joel's character
Grow up, Joel deserved it. You reap what you sow and Joel had killed more than 300 people in the last game.
It's the terrible pacing, bad story, focus on misery porn and contrivances all around that make it a bad game.

>>713159620
if i found out my dauther dated a black guy i would feel like i lost a daughter and probably wouldnt talk to her again. life would just be a meaningless nilhilism afterwards. who would want to play a game that forces this type of story on you.

I just think that supercilious moralization attempts in post apocalypse are fucking retarded and can easily ruin entire thing for me if done badly.
For example I don't understand the dev's and fandom's position on percieving Brad as a bad person in LISA.
It's a fucking apocalypse you idiots, stop treating it like your community college, people won't behave the same way, won't share the same principles and world outlook as you are and it's normal, it's the way it whould be.

>>713160090
>terrible pacing, bad story, focus on misery porn and contrivances
I agree and also that the gameplay isn't entertaining enough to excuse suffering throught all these...

>>713160150
Nigga humans can act morally even in difficult situations

>>713160243
That's not the point. The point is that safe spaces morals and expectations are imposed on people fighting for survival. That's like treating a war as a friendly sport competition between neighboring schools.

>>713148531
You have no right to take anyone's life and they don't have a right to give it.

>>713160421
You definitely have a right to give it and that's what Ellie wanted

>>713160324

What "safe space morals" are you talking about? Both games have plenty of people who are acting savagely, to put it mildly

>That's like treating a war as a friendly sport competition between neighboring schools

That's a hyperbole. Regardless, even in war there are rules - you can bend or even ignore them but there are consequences for doing so, some of which aren't felt until years/decades later

>>713160472
>wasn't asked
>that's what the feminist wanted
>to get killed for nothing

>>713160508
bigot

>>713160508
>What "safe space morals" are you talking about?
The ones that people use to judge Brad for example. How the fuck is he a bad person? Because he was overprotective and didn't allow Buddy to live her life to fullest which would be to become a breeding pig chained to a wall in some cave? Because he went against his "friends" who wanted her to become a breeding pig? Because during his childhood he didn't protect his sister from their father? Because he does drugs? He's just a damaged man in a world gone to hell.
>inb4 who says he's bad
The developer himself and huge chunk of community.

>>713160879

I don't think there's any supercilious moralizing taking place in TLoU. Both include people who believe themselves to be in the right. there's not a lot of judging going on. As for the world of LISA: that one is even more fucked up than TLoU as humanity is expected to die out within a generation or two even if the whole "post-apoc" setting is a lie. There are similarities between the actions of the two leads (Joel and Brad) but I wouldn't go that route as they ultimately live in different worlds and have had different reasons for their actions

ellie got BLAq'd and Jew'd

btw werent ellie and the jew raising a baby in the end? whose baby did they steal because lesbos cant create a baby.

its such a great thing when trannys tranny bottom surgery themselves because they remove themselves from the gene pool. is there anything more fagg0t then a male purposely shooting himself up with estrogen?

>>713158516
But I'm not a snoy?

>>713158729
TLOU is literally as "deep" as marvel. It's LITERAL normie cattle crap, are you fucking stupid? Next you'll talk about the deep and mature writing of Bethesda Fallout.

>all these fags screaming about how Joel did le bad and doomed le humanity
I take it that if some guy claming to be a "doctor" kicked down your door and put a gun to your head before saying "Give me the lives of your entire family and I will cure cancer for sure 100% legit real trust me bro wink wink" you actual normalfag subhumans would happily agree just to have the opportunity to preach on Reddit how heccin good and morally superior you are.

>>713162347
No it isn't, it's a lot more grounded and brutal.

>>713162732
PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT

>>713145687 (OP)
what should really piss people off is how naughty dog and drucky shamelessly and deliberately retconned the original to make way for this 'masterpiece'
druckmann needed something to attach his awful revenge plot that even george romero rejected
the monumental mishandling of tlou should be studied for years by game developers

Normalfags who gush over and defend TLOU are to me about on the same level as those who got mindblown when they watched Avengers Infinity War and got exposed to a story where the villain has a minimal level of depth & moral complexity and the good guys don't win

>>713162494
Joel actually brought her there of his own will. You cant just change your mind and kill everyone at the last second

>>713157921
>what made ellie turn gay?
nothing
it was just a genius druckmann stroke and done because reasons
he did it in the name of activism and taking a stance over writing a good narrative
the guy has little to no talent and just wanted to jump on the bandwagon with the new thing at the time which was the rise of loud sjws

>>713150298
Play no return on grounded. You will rage but the consistent enemy ai and gameplay makes it a constant challenge. It's the only single player tps that forces you to be cracked if you want to win.

Half of this thread is either pic rel sperging out or "people" like

>713163387
>713148531

who are arguing in bad faith, pretending to defend the game with stupid arguments. What causes such mental illness?

>>713156589

It's very harsh and you're lucky if you manage to take out 2 people without anyone noticing. The trick is to always relocate to another position after you've been discovered, ideally so that they switch from "combat" into "search", as it makes it easier to isolate and deal with them one by one

>>713145687 (OP)
>incredible injustice to Joel's character
you sound like a fucking baby. Joel dying made sense, his lived a very violent life and crossed a lot of people, him ending up dead is not surprising or an "injustice" (lol)

>>713145687 (OP)
I just don't play games that do the "hold forward while another character talks at you" bit.

Druckman basically sacrificed some worthy plotlines and characters to produce a bitter artistic ending. Where Ellie goes back home finally accepting that her revenge plot was pointless (because in the flashback she states to Joel she can't really forgive his actions). This doesn't really work because she goes on 2 revenge trips to kill Abby, and in between (in the theater) she already knows Joel was wrong stated explicitly to Abby.

Blame game of thrones for making hack directors think killing characters "quickly" is artistic and based.

>>713145687 (OP)
stop shilling this trash here faggot

>>713162347
but they are right.
Revenge is le bad, that's why the game should have never been released.

>>713164287
GOT didn't kill characters quickly. That's not even the gimmick in the story, it's "anyone can die"

TV shows belong to /tv/

>>713159857
Everything is cranked to 11. Enemies shoot much faster and more accurately, emphasizing the importance of cover and stealth. They push/flank harder with molotovs etc so you have to constantly reposition, or react insanely fast. You have to make every shot count, headshots or knee shots for a stun. You can only take 2/3 shots before dying at full health. Rifles/shotguns end you even quicker.

Ammo and resources are (finally) survivor horror tier. Most fights if you shoot leave you with a couple bullets, again forcing stealth and waiting for the right time to takedown enemies.

Basically one, maybe two wrong moves you die and it's back to checkpoint. If it sounds miserable it is, I died 200-300 times on my grounded run. But you do learn something each time, like better dodge timing against infected, or how soldiers are deadly accurate if you move while they're peeking from cover.

A single encounter might take you a dozen tries to clear but when you finally crack the puzzle, kill each enemy in succussion without error, (or by the skin of your teeth) it's extremely rewarding.
>>713160007
Fuck permadeath, only freaks could beat this game with that on +grounded.
>>713160012
Not grounded because HUD is showing, but still true.
Tbh AI getting you detected and ruining stealth would trash the gameplay experience, but it does mess with the realism ND was going for.

>>713163813
It's difficult to discuss TLOU in /v/ because you automatically get called a jewish rans and asked to take meds.
IMO saying TLOU2 is the best PS4 exclusive shoudln't even be a controversial statement but somehow it is in /v/

>>713164752

trans youth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXA4sVyPn98

Ellie is cute and for what I would term "child-making sex".

>>713145687 (OP)
It's insane how you guys can have threads about this shit game day-in-day-out. Otherchan was right about 4chan. That hack truly was a blessing in disguise.

>>713165070
She's just 18 bro

>>713145687 (OP)
>incredible injustice to Joel's character
he was a piece of shit bandit who turned over a new leaf due to Ellie, he was hardly a good man, Tommy even abandoned him initally because Joel got too dark for him to stay with

>>713164287
>Where Ellie goes back home finally accepting that her revenge plot was pointless (because in the flashback she states to Joel she can't really forgive his actions)

... but she would want to TRY to forgive him. She literally states that a second later, how did you miss that and why do you judge this game while missing that important bit? Ellie's maddened with grief not only because Joel was tortured and killed before her eyes, but also because the day before his death they had a small reconciliation. She feels guilty for treating Joel like shit for years, justified or not, and he was killed the day after they decided to try and mend their relationship.

>This doesn't really work because she goes on 2 revenge trips to kill Abby

See above, the premise of your argument is flawed. We're also treated to a very nice sequence of events showing the trauma is still with her (and others) so she goes after Abby for the second time with a complete disregard not just for others, but also for herself as if she expected not to survive that

>and in between (in the theater) she already knows Joel was wrong stated explicitly to Abby

No, she doesn't know that. She says what she says in the theatre because she: a) wants to divert Abby's attention from Tommy and, more importantly, b) misunderstands why Abby was after Joel. It's so ironic, there's so much talk (also in this very thread) about dooming humanity when that point is hardly, if at all, brought up in the second game. It's all about Joel taking the decision away from Ellie (who suffers from survivor's guilt) and killing Abby's father and friends. To a lesser extent it's also about destroying what the Fireflies were fighting for but in the game it's fairly clear having a noble purpose in a post-apoc world is more important than the purpose itself

>>713164914

It is what it is. For what it's worth, I had some decent discussions on /tv/ of all places. On that note, I am very disappointed with the decision to cut the story in half - the game relies massively on switching protagonists, by the time we get s3 people will already forget about most of the characters

>>713148531
>a flashback within a flashback is considered good writing

>>713145687 (OP)
They did it to make you feel that way, so I'd say they earned that merit.
Doesn't mean the writing is excellent, just that they effectively got OP and all his likeminded to react in the same way, and they expected that to happen in the way it's happening, so they joke is on you, not the authors.

>>713153474
>dad+lover

in case anyone missed it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gfOdQvY6Rw

>>713163387
I guess you never played TLOU to the end.
Also holy shit, Neil has a lot of alts. I thought he admitted that Joel did nothing wrong?

>>713166149
he just said that to appease the masses.
he's still butthurt that everyone hated the fireflies

>>713166295
For a good reason.

Has part 2 been on sale yet? I intend to buy it if itt goes on sale in a week

>>713163387
>You cant just change your mind and kill everyone at the last second
lol wut? why not? he didn't know they were gonna kill her for the cure, and neither did the fireflies themselves until last minute. And again, why not? Changing your mind is pretty common

>>713167617
>sale
oy vey enough with the anti-semitism... consume the slop at full price like a loyal goy

>>713167617
It was like 5 bucks withing a week of launch bro

>>713168403
doubt it

>>713168403
no it wasn't

I thought the writing was okay in part 2. I was a little surprised to see everyone sperg out over it when I finally played it myself. "this is the story that's got everyones panties in a bunch?" I've seen much better narratives than this shit

gameplay is another story entirely. I thought the game was a blast. I immediately replayed it on a higher difficulty once I finished it on normal. If they ever make a 3rd one I'll get it on launch just for that