It absolutely nails this unique, I dunno, utilitarian atmosphere. Big Shell has this effortless industrial charm to it, the kind you can’t quite put into words. They probably didn't even think about it, but there's a particular allure in that industrial aesthetic: the exposed beams, steel frameworks, weathered surfaces, the vast expanses between them. The muted grey-blue and rusty orange tones give everything a sense of melancholy. The whole place feels very grand and quiet as you're running up above the world, surrounded by wind, open skies, and the hum of machinery. The great soundscape amplifies the feeling of solitude, too.
So basically I really like it, it's been 75 years and nothing else has quite captured this vibe again for me.

true

>>713185834 (OP)
Based.
Big Shell is easily the most underrated setting in the series. Aesthetically it is absolutely fantastic.

>>713185834 (OP)
100%

Snek? SNEEEEEEK

>>713187264
the only good part of the game

>>713188860
based retard

>>713185834 (OP)
>They probably didn't even think about it
Do you really believe this? Artist spend their entire waking lives sweating over that shit and the consumer thinks it happens on accident

>>713185834 (OP)
you have a cooler vibe bro

>>713189045
This is not a modern slop made in an indian sweatshop. Back then people just effortlessly made kino.

Like fourth time I've played MGS2 in my life, first time I tried going for dogtags blind and got 40/78. Really not sure how I missed so many. In-game playtime was far lower cause I kept reloading cause of killing people by accident or just fucking around.

Forgot how quick the game ends after Shell 1 and its struts. Really wish there was more emphasis on Shell 2 and its struts. You kinda just go there after the harrier battle, get Emma and beat Vamp and come back.

>>713189301
>the shitty HD demaster
you didn't play the game

>>713189162
It wasn't effortless the problem is the shit today IS effortless.
You think this shit is an accident? Kojima is obsessed with offshore platforms and it'a obvious. FOBs would have been even better than big shell if you got to utilize more interiors, but I get why the limitations are what they are.

>>713189007
>being a faggot
we accept you as a faggot dont worry fag

>>713185834 (OP)
Is it worth buying this shit on PC yet? I'm willing to mod but I'm down to emulate if needed.

>>713185834 (OP)
i unironically felt the same way when i got into the game dev backroom in stanley parable, the one which was like a giant warehouse with the orange dev texture on the walls. something about old envine rendering and these kind of settings hit a sweet spot in my brain

>>713189595
audio is fucked

>>713189419
what's bad about it

>>713189419
I've played it on PS2 twice, emulated PS2 once and now this version. If anything I prefer the new control scheme, after taking awhile to use triggers as pressure sensitive buttons on MGS2/3 years ago on emulator. Only other changes I think are they swapped out some posters

>>713189301
Some guards don't show up until after certain story points, namely after boss battles. But you definitely missed a few anyway. You can see what ones you missed in the Dog Tag viewer somewhere in the title screen menus.

>>713189824
Sad

megastructures are cool, we need more blame-like vidya

>>713190028
>If anything I prefer the new control scheme
stopped reading
>Only other changes I think are they swapped out some posters
mega retard...

>>713189162
This is what the consumer monkey believes when he sees anything done with competence

It's not only the setting and atmosphere, I'd also like to point out just how cool it is that the game happens over the course of a day and you go around the Big Shell from early morning to late night

>>713187264
>"So this required 9 months of development time and caused the game to be delayed"

You can tell there is a lot of samefagging going on not because this is a bad game but because I refuse to believe this thread would get this many replies about a game this old. OP is probably drunk and dumping images of the game

>>713189419
>>713190529
Explain yourself or just shut the fuck up for the love of god. Yeah, wow, Snake's beard doesn't get shaved in the HD/Master versions if you found the razor, and some graphical effects are wonk though modders are fixing it. People are having a good time when a stupid cunt like you comes in trying to flip a bitch for bait.

>>713191165
>the game happens over the course of a day

I fucking love when vidya does this, though it seems that Western games hardly ever uses this trope.

>>713185834 (OP)
>grand

GRAND DAD?

I didn't really like it and kept hoping we would go to a different location. It all looks the same and gets really old once they make you backtrack.

>>713191269
Damn it's summer already, huh?

>>713193656
Nice I was right above the target

>>713185834 (OP)
It just looks like that because ps2 was too weak to have anything in the background

>>713193891
dumb zoomer

>>713193891
100% i would place big shell at somewhere like the Upper Bay, otherwise it would seem a little too far to crash Arsenal into Manhattan. If Kojima could do it properly you would be able to see Manhattan, Brooklyn, and Jersey City skylines surrounding it.

>>713185834 (OP)
Same as mother base from Phantom Pain

>>713185834 (OP)
Agreed. i think Kojimbo is aware since Mother Base is clearly trying to recapture it.

I cannot play these games with modern controllers.

I've finished them multiple times back on the ps2 using the pressure sensitive buttons which modern controllers don't have and it's just so shitty, not being able to hold your gun up without firing or using some weird button combos.

It really feels so bad to play with the subpar controls.
It's a shame those poor gaming companies can't afford to keep making pressure sensitive buttons, at least we get analog sticks that drift after half a year.

GW was right, humans need to be controlled by someone wiser than them.

>>713185834 (OP)
MGS2 has the worst aesthetic in the franchise
This is a classic case of "i like this game so i must overhype even the mediocre aspects of it"

>>713185834 (OP)
True. Too bad every 10 seconds is interrupted by a 10 minute cutscene.

>>713192946
Arkham games

I honestly think MGS2 is better than 3.

>>713196183
pseuds tend to lean in that direction anon

>>713196183
MGS2 has truth behind it, while MGS3 has pure Boss-driven sovl.

>>713188860
I sincerely believe if the rest of the game maintained the Tanker chapter’s quality, it would be so obviously the GOAT video game that nobody would be debating what title they put at the top of Mount Olympus. Like, it would be the Michael Jordan or Tom Brady of vidya.

>>713194909
lolno

>>713196183
Agreed, while 3 is enjoyable it's beneath 1,2, & 4
Way too much menuing and annoying mechanics that alow down the game. Still an amazing game though

>>713195805
dumb retard

>>713185834 (OP)
Too bad the protagonist is garbage is that makes the game garbage.

>>713196646
>Agreed, while 3 is enjoyable it's beneath 4

>>713191843
didn't the master collection actually fixed some visuals and glitches so that the experience is closer to the original?

>>713194909
I want to live with big boss in mother base

>Comfy af
>Has infinite money
>You can do anything you want
>Incredible technology and it's always improving
>There's a naked woman walking around

>>713196731
4 plays better imo

>>713196851
That naked woman? Me (after HRT).

>>713191843
Reddit said it's bad so its bad

>>713196868
Yes, and if that's your reason for preferring 4 then you should also prefer 3 to 1 and 2

>>713196851
And then you get the parasite infection which both destroy your body and your mind, and if you didn't, you are forced to be sterile for life as the only cure to the virus is this

>>713196646
Patrician taste
>>713196731
Pleb taste

>>713196868
4 has like 5 minutes of gameplay each act

>>713197031
I explained why I don't
Too much menuing, and the added mechanics like stamina bar, hunger, backpack, weight I find annoying

>>713196646
at least the remake now gives you the option to change camo without going to the menu
still need to do to heal yourself though

>>713197180
tbf half of the team of MGS4 wanted more gameplay time, but Kojima and the other side wanted to focus on cutscenes

>>713197283
Even if there were less cutscenes the story would've still fucking sucked.

>>713196704
dumb retard

>>713185834 (OP)
it still filters zoomers and retards

>>713197283
Didn't Kojima originally wanted to kill of snake in mgs4? He really wanted it to be a fucking movie badly

>>713197431
MGS2 is literally zoomers favorite MGS game

>>713197465
MGS4 got a lot of rewrites and changes fairly late, perhaps more than any other games.

>>713197465
Why would Snake die?

>Well Naomi injected him with FOXDIE designed to kill him
It's been a fucking decade and he isn't dead, while other intended targets died almost immediately. Maybe Snake was never a target of hers after al-
>And then Naomi told Snake his FOXDIE was going to mutate and kill the entire planet
Why the fuck would Snake believe anything this cunt says at this poin-
>And then Big Boss tells Snake that his FOXDIE won't kill the planet after all
WHY WOULD SNAKE BELIEVE ANY OF THAT BULLSHIT EITHER

WHY WOULD BIG BOSS KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT SNAKE'S FOXDIE

MGS4 WAS SO BAD HOLY SHIT

>>713197542
Metal Gear as a whole filters zoomers. They just watch youtube playthroughs of MGSV

>>713197743
I like watching videos showing the story of MGS2/3 while falling asleep. It's like a bedtime story.

>>713197713
He originally wanted the government to execute Snake and Otacon

>>713197713
him and Otacon were going to be killed by the US government
Seriously, this was the ending, the team rebelled against it, so Kojima changed this

Ok maybe anons in this thread can assist me

I want to play the MGS games 1-4. Never played any before aside from Rising
I'd prefer to get physical copies of the games for the ones I can and avoid emulators because my experience with them is mostly bad for games newer than like the year 2000 in spite of what people say.
I have a PS3, a fat one with 2 ports.
Based on what research I've already done, that means it's only backward compatible with PS1, but not PS2.
I have a DS4 controller
I also had a DS3 but it's fucked.

I plan to buy physical MGS 1 and 4 second hand and play them on my PS3 and 2 and 3 probably just the steam versions because frankly I don't really want to bother with emulators and I'm not buying a whole second hand PS2 just for the two games.

Now here's the part i don't really get - did I understand correctly that you can't properly control the games unless you have an original DS1/DS2/DS3 controller? Because they have some pressure sensitive shit called sixaxis that apparently doesn't exist in any third party or newer controller like my DS4, and the games will not properly work without it?
How crippling is this to the experience exactly if I attempt to just use my DS4? Unplayable or just might miss out on some optional stuff or something?

Do I need to also try to find a DS2/DS3 controller online in addition to the games themselves to try to get something closer to an authentic experience?

If I do get my hands on physical disks for MGS1, MGS4 and the steam versions for MGS2 and MGS3 plus somehow find an old ass out of production controller for sale, is my plan overall sound?

>>713198113
Shut up.

>>713198113
I’ve only played the HD versions, I think they control fine. Essentially they mapped one pressure sensitive button press to a click of the left stick (for controllers that don’t have pressure sensitive buttons), otherwise there’s no discernible difference, any suggestion otherwise is hysteria.

>>713198113
It's unplayable without the proper controller, just play the re-releases. Only redditor fucking retards complain about them, while other companies release the same shit and they basedface over it

>port, Konami
basedjak angry
>port, FATLUS
basedjak happy

>>713196868
It does. Shame it was the last true MGS game.

>>713198113
for the ps3 versions of mgs 2 and 3 you need a ds3 controller

>>713196183
mgs ends with 2. Everything after that is (high quality) fanservice.

>>713199458
It did always feel like that

>>713199458
this but mgs1

>>713197713
Bringing Big Boss back from the dead to deliver a Power Point presentation was a gutsy move. The game also more or less ruins Ocelot.

>>713196389
cope

>>713189886
it lacks a couple minigames and has a few bugs, that's it. Download the mod patches that fix most of the issues with the Master Collection versions.

The only ones that truly suffer are the MSX2 Metal Gear games and Metal Gear Solid 1. Absolutely shameful garbage ports that are slow, inconsistent fps, lots of bugs from the original inferior ports, no widescreen or high resolution despite what they advertise, but it's also not even a purist experience because of all the jank added by the pc ports.

Emulate the actual MSX2 versions of MG 1 and 2 with the fan translation patches if needed for the best experience and the full script (the revised English script in the HD versions is cut down)

Emulate MGS 1 in Duckstation where you can either play MGS 1 exactly as it was on the ps1 minus the load times, or you can get an actual truly high-res, widescreen experience where everything is sharp, and crisp, and stable.

>>713199814
this but Metal Gear (msx)

>>713185834 (OP)

>>713200830
soulless

>>713199458
this but policenauts

>>713197713
Big Boss says he knew because Naomi told him. Naomi knew where the real Big Boss was the whole time along with Eva and Ocelot and left him a recording explaining the plot at some point. Yes, Naomi was in on the conspiracy the whole time... somehow.
She wanted what Ocelot and Eva wanted because Gray Fox adopted her and Big Boss bankrolled them both until Hard Boner killed them. Raiden and Eva were the ones that initially recovered Big Boss and Sunny off screen.

Snake doesn't die from Foxdie's programming because Naomi formulates a vaccine she gives him in quid pro quo, off screen, this was a minigame in the Integral version of the VR missions. They had an idea for a game that never got made between MGS 1 and 2 where Snake and Hal break Naomi out of prison in exchange for the vaccine.

Officially they're both terrorists and what they're doing is terrorism. They are assassinating the chief officer of a global US defense conglomerate under the table. Originally destroying sop had secondary effects that would have upended global society, throwing the world into chaos and destroying the financial system. They were going to be convicted and executed by firing squad on grounds of insurrection and High Treason for doing the needful. According to MGR it basically happened anyways.

>>713198113
Get a PS2 and play MGS1, 2 and 3 there. The PS3 HD versions of MGS2 and 3 are okay, Peace Walker is kinda preferable there if you don't want portability but play MGS1 on an actual PS1 or PS2 console because the in-game music is a little better there than on PS3 or any emulation.

>>713192946
Half Life 2

>>713200830
kek I opened OP image in IrfanView and hit "auto adjust colors" and got this

>>713199814
No it's mgs 2 because it's critical of the mg formula and basically brings it to conclusion in the most mindfucking way possible, as to say "you can't top this", and indeed no mgs game after this one has had a twist as grandiose as 2's. And that's because it was designed that way, it's a goodbye to mgs (while 4 was a goodbye to the fans)

>>713185834 (OP)
i just want a mgs2 remake that doesn't improve the graphics beyond maybe some sharpness to textures, but actually lets you go over and under every strut
rewrite the story a little bit so the start of the game lasts longer and you have to visit every strut too
always hated how half of the big shell was missing
very nice game, my favourite in the franchise actually
always considered this game the last real metal gear solid game
3 is just a run north simulator with 10 different versions of stealth camo you have to switch between for "engagement"
i really miss games from the ps2 era

>>713203319
mgs2 is quite literally just a rehash of mgs1, it was never necessary but you can keep coping about it

>>713203446
>Mgs2 is a rehash of mgs1
That's the point
The game literally addresses this

>>713203319
nta but this is about accurate. MGS2 is basically where Kojima wanted to end things, and it's fine overall. I had more fun with 3 but nothing after 2 should exist except portable ops fuck year

>>713203640
>if i do some retarded shit intentionally that makes it not bad

>>713203704
Kojima never wanted things to be finished in MGS2, What he wanted instead was for the franchise to be continued to other and perhaps, younger developers and directors.

>>713203772
It's not about mgs2 being good or bad, it could be the most dogshit game of the series it wouldn't change the fact it concludes the metal gear formula.
I'm talking about the game's spirit and what it tried to accomplish

>>713203912
Where'd he say that? Kojima's fatigue seemingly oozed through the screen in the mainline games after 2.

>>713198398
I have played mgs 1-4 with only an xbox controller

>>713204481
if you played on RPCS3 or PCSX2 you wouldn't be able to use most of the CQC shit on MGS3
MGS 1, 2, and 4 work mostly fine though

>>713203704
>portable ops
PO is genuinely terrible and PW is a major improvement in almost every way.

>>713204656
>you wouldn't be able to use most of the CQC shit on MGS3
All you have to do is set up a button combo to alter the pressure. I forget the exact layout I used, but it wasn't an issue at all. The real pressure sensitive shenanigans stems from weapons, but it's still not that hard to work around.

>>713203446
>mgs2 is quite literally just a rehash of mgs1
It's not that much more of a rehash than most sequels, if at all. It's just self-aware and wants the audience to notice.

>>713204247
Many interviews, it's why all the side titles were handled by other directors too.
But it turned out a lot more complicated than expected for main Metal Gear entries, there was some attempts, but none of them were successful
But it might end up happening in the future, a new team for Metal Gear was made, and unless Kojima returns somehow, it's up to them to continue his old legacy. Perhaps they will succeed in what previous generations failed, or maybe the struggle will continue.

>>713204727
To be fair, I played PO and not PW.
>PO is genuinely terrible
That's not true. You're a homosexual, and lies like that just make it easier to prove in court.

>>713185834 (OP)
I always hated the aesthetics of mgs2. Loved everything else

>>713204727
Both were based on a very similar concept, but PO was a lot more cumbersome about it.
Both games were well rated by reviews though, and maybe PW would have being different if not for PO's first clumsy attempt.

>>713205402
Because it's grating to look at and everything looks the same
OP is drunk

>>713205215
>But it might end up happening in the future
I doubt we'll see anything worth a damn with the Metal Gear name in the future. "Here's your pachislot game, slave."
It's fuckin' owari da without kojimbo.

>>713185834 (OP)
I really like the engine they used. It's also the same engine in ZOE and that looks good too.

>>713205262
>That's not true
It is. The story is fucking atrocious (PW's isn't great either, mind) and the level design feels like a bunch of randomized PVP maps because that's clearly what they are.

>>713205627
Portable Ops is actually the only MGS game I haven't played
Is it even worth going through at all?

>>713205594
The performance of the upcoming remake probably will be the main factor. Many developers at Konami have expressed their interest on continuing the franchise, but if there's no one to buy, they probably won't try to go big.

>>713185834 (OP)
I NEED more games that go "check out how great our water looks"

>>713205712
Maybe. It's not that long. It has its moments, just not many. "Calling to the Night" is a gem.

If you've never played Ghost Babel or the MSX games do yourself a favor and play those instead.

>>713185834 (OP)
peak early-00's/late-90's futurism

>>713205627
It's important to note that the gameplay was fun.

>>713205789
I dislike that they went with a remake, but Snake Eater seems like the easiest to do without pissing people off.

>>713206075
I wish. It does some things I wish PW managed to do, though. I understand why PW got rid of it but if I had to choose between crouch walking and crawling I'd go with crawling every time. It has a more discrete gameplay function.

>>713205402
>>713205513
retarded zoomers

>>713206367
the real issue with PO is that it was trying to control itself like it was a PS2 game, but the lack of the two joysticks screwed things up, you can't just take the gameplay of MGS3 on another system with much less buttons. I applaud them trying but the end result was clumsier than a clown in a circus.

>>713206367
It's a fine game, but I don't hold it above any other Metal Gear really except MGS4.

For me it's the urinating guard