What the fuck is happening? PC was supposed to be the future, but the exact opposite is happening.

>>713186014 (OP)
based on a survey of german people....

AI drove up GPU/PC prices up too much.
You can still get a cheap prebuilt or mini-PC that plays 1080p30-60fps but normalfags demand 4k60. A PC spec'd to hit that is way too expensive now, so they'll buy a PS5 that claims to hit that over a cheaper PC that can't.

cryptoniggers and ai fucked over the chances of that happening

>>713186468
PS5 price per spec is like half that of PC. You need $1200+ PC to compete with PS5

>>713186101
FPBP

>>713186014 (OP)
Our economy is fucked since Corona and Ukraine war, everything costs 1/3 more now, nobody here is throwing money out the window for a new GPU

also: eat shit falseflagging bait thread

>>713186783
*maker

>>713186101
>>713186783
Nice cope but its global, PC gaming marketshare has been going down since 2018

>>713186904
>mobile growing
>console and PC both shrinking

PC faggots are vegans

>g*rman
absolut ekelhaft

>>713186904
2 MORE WEEKS!!!
https://www.techspot.com/news/107201-pc-gaming-market-comprises-around-908-million-players.html

>>713186101
and
/thread

>giving a fuck about sales
also no dev have focused on pc in nearly 20 years

>>713187510
>>713187720
You don't care about sales because you know they make you look bad.

>>713187720
>no dev have focused on pc in nearly 20 years
Stop posting retard

>GPU prices have been in the shitter since 2019, rendered completely unobtainable to thirdworlders (where the market has the most room to grow) and children('s parents)
>consoles have only gone up slightly in comparison, plus new generation launched in that timeframe
>phones still cheap as shit globally
>durr why less people buying PC now????
truly a mystery for the ages

Doesn’t it cost ten times as much as it did in the 90’s?

>>713187762
i dont care because i dont work for any shitty gaming company so whatever sony sells trillions or nintendo does, it doesn't affect me at all

>>713187510
>players

pc gaming in 2025 is genuinely the worst thing ever. in 2000 you opened the game and played. in 2025 you have to revert and/or update drivers or else you get shit performance, you have to tinker around with tweaks and configs, you have to wait half an hr for shaders to build or suffer through stutters while playing, you have constant crashes due to dei programmers. it's a fucking joke. consoles are so much more superior.

>>713187973
Don't forget you have to sit through 5 minutes of logos when you start the game up

>>713187762
Deck wasn't sold at retail stores

>>713187956
>>713187973
>>713188023
2 MORE WEEKS!!!

>>713187973
the insane uptick in cheaters too.
>b-but you have to pay every month to play on console
get a job

>>713186101
>PC gaming is shrinking because the prices keep going up
>Uh it only affects Germany OP!
>It will go down! (hasn't gone done in price, RTX 5090 costs way more than RTX 4090)
>8GB VRAM cards sold which is certifiable theft of your cash
Concession accepted /r/GCJ Vegan

PC's modern golden age was gen 8 when consoles were still heavily bottlenecked by jaguar CPUs so PC ports were easy to brute force, no longer the case with xbox/ps5's more modern zen cpus. Dogshit PC ports were the norm for a long time and are becoming the case again, gen 8 was an outlier.

This isn't even considering how overpriced PC parts are now. I can't justify upgrading my 2019 PC when I could get a ps5 pro instead

>>713188117
>graphics software

>>713188152
>PC's modern golden age was gen 8

>>713186014 (OP)
I'm sorry, I don't speak Japanese.

>>713188221
2 MORE WEEKS!!!

>>713188152
There are many take away from this, let's go for the nuance. For starters you have a generation of Gen Z who grew up with the PS4/Xbox One era when PC gaming didn't cost a lot. Not only that, GPU upgrade weren't mandated past DX11 (2011 IIRC). So you could get a lot of bang for buck the entire past decade+. This time your GPUs are squeezed out if they're 8GB VRAM and the prices for 16GB keeps going up, 600 dollars. The CPU side isn't much better and there was a category 10 nuke when Intel CPUs were undergoing oxidization due to poor factory standards, this affected more generations of Intel chips they're willing to admit.

The PS5 and Series X can do 4K 30FPS or variable 1080-1440p 60FPS. The average PC on Steam can't do either. The 1% that does have console killer PCs aren't the norm. It's actually quite fascinating how Sony basically lucked out this generation, despite having turd IQ Jim Ryan at the driver wheel they were able to ride out Concord and other disasters because the PC gaming line destroyed itself thanks to NVIDIA and AMD greed.

Both of these companies can and would rather produce AI wafer to sell to corporations at a nice juicy profit or they could try to make very bargain chips to sell at a so-so average. But one day someone woke up and said, what if we do BOTH? Let's make 75% AI chips and 25% higher end chips, this way our profit margins go up. And who's gonna complain? Just say "don't be poor". And that's how the PC GPU market got where it is today. CPU is also a little fucked up too.

>>713188613
>declining after 2021
oof

>>713188684
>PS5 and Series X can do 4K 30FPS or variable 1080-1440p 60FPS
All the post processing like TAA and motion blur, and AI makes it as blurry as 720P.

>>713188783
>consolenigger can't read a chart
lol, a expected

>>713188859
The average PC on Steam Hardware Survey can't play 4K 60FPS native games or native 1080p 60FPS modern games.

>>713188996
>or native 1080p 60FPS modern games
Wrong, plus settings on consoles are medium at best with 300 pounds of post processing makeup like TAA making it the image as blurry as a consolefags bathwater.

>>713186014 (OP)
Jeets and Shitvidia happened.
They continuously destroyed PC gayming in the past decade.
I was a PC mustard race for most of my love, but nowadays I wouldn't exactly recommend it because the hardware bloat became too crazy.
I wouldn't recommend some modern console either, though. The industry deserves to crash and burn.

>including mobile
Every fucking time

>>713189241
As shit as the hardware side of PC Gayman is, it's still 9000 times better than being a consolefag, that's true pain.

>>713189238
>headcanon PC vegan schizo babble
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam 'k. Tell me when you finish reading this. Oh and upcoming Borderlands 4 requires 8 CPU cores, the Steam Survey has 6 cores as the majority on your PC master race /r/GCJ platform

>>713189368
It's also still cheaper if you pirate. My guess this is just a generational shift.

>>713188249
Yes? In the modern age, PC gaming was in a dogshit state in the 2000s and has become bad recently as well. Or maybe you're an ESL who doesn't know what modern means

>>713187921
Fuck no. PC gaming is still cheap as shit compared to the 90s or even 00s. GPU prices are out of control but everything else is way down from how it used to be, and hardware longevity is way better across the board. $2000 for a high-end system has pretty much remained a constant for as long as it's been possible to build your own PC. The 10s was the only time that all components were pretty cheap and you could get some of the best stuff on the market without breaking $1500.

PC gaming is now an Asian domain.
Whites and browns will have to stick to consoles and phones.

>>713189807
>everything else is way down from how it used to be
Motherboards.

>>713187032
Because that's "market value" and phone games are the biggest pushers of microtransaction shit.
Yeah, no shit phones are gonna make the most money when almost every single game is stuffed with MTX and designed to entice you into buying it.

>>713189513
The average is an RTX4060 that can run pretty much all games at native 1080 60 FPS at medium settings.
Most games on consoles are still stuck at 30 FPS in 2000 fucking 25, including the newest Digimon game.

>>713189624
Cheaper and better overall, I get all the extra peripheral inputs I want for cheap, can play any game from the 70s to now, can modify all of those and I get to multitask.
Consolefags are stuck with modern slop or have to buy remasters.

>>713189630
> PC gaming was in a dogshit state in the 2000s
Sure thing bud! You totally weren't born in 2001!

PC got too expensive, income is stagnant and going down, people are falling back to a 'cheaper' option

>>713186014 (OP)
>Nvidia grows
>market implodes
Yeah, I wonder what happened.

>>713186751
yeah if your a retard and dont know where to shop

>>713186014 (OP)
>>713186904
yet all major gaming company finacial reports say their PC sales are the majority sales for their flagship titles which is why everyone is putting their games on PC now.
eat shit disingenuous faggot

>>713191475
>Muh used parts
You might as well buy a used PS5 for $300 if that's your standard.

>>713191475
cope

>>713191956
>>713192054
>console cucks are retarded
news at 11

>>713191614
>Sony and Microsoft porting all their games to PC
NNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOO PC GAMING IS DEAD!!!

>>713188121
>give up 160+ of your waking hours a month so you can give money to Bill Gates to buy more farmland
Uhh, no thanks.

>>713192336
>no argument just cope

>>713192528
lol consolecucks
https://www.dsogaming.com/news/digimon-story-time-stranger-coming-to-pc-on-october-3rd-will-only-support-60fps-on-pc/

>>713192528
enjoy your 30 fps lil bro

>>713191614
>yet all major gaming company finacial reports say their PC sales
Nice lie lil bro

>>713192763
>digimon

>>713186904
-4% YoY. Hmmm

>>713193102
>consoles

>>713186014 (OP)
Console went up due to Switch being cheap and portable and PC went down due to prices. The cost of PC parts are stupid in European countries.

>>713186468
It's not PS5/SX selling well in Germany, it's Switch cause it's cheap.
PS5 is like 550 Euro's. Only in USA is PS5 cheap, everywhere else Sony raised the price.

>>713186014 (OP)
>PC was supposed to be the future
Nobody ever claimed that, retard.

>>713192528
You're argument is based upon no facts. The claim was that it takes $1200+ to build a computer as powerful as a base PS5 yet no proof was posted.
Choke on a dick.

>>713193278
seethe

>German
Who gives a fuck what muslims buy?

>>713193663
I wasn't that anon but the other anon claimed you could do it if you knew where to look and still hasn't provided anything. Choke on a dick retard

>>713193760
dilate

>>713193247
>errrmmm youre larger but it went down a tiny percentage that doesn't change anything

>>713188023
That's consoles though, PC you can delete the intro videos.

Why do consolefags like to post sales numbers so much?
Is this how they compensate for their tiny dicks since they can't buy a truck like their boomer dad?

>>713188684
Yeah all the 4K games upscaled from 900p.

>>713188152
Problem with PS5 Pro is it misses out on Path tracing and PSSR is still in it's early days. You are spending 700-800 bucks for something still behind Nvidia.

>>713191475
Try and price out a PC that will get you better performance in games than a PS5 right now, I dare you.

>>713194480
Can run Half Life 1 flawlessly at 100 FPS
PS5 can't do that

Any hardware engineers ITT? Is it not possible to create a GPU that's good for games, but bad for ai? Seems like there would be a market in that space, but the big companies are too busy chasing AI money to care

>>713194480
you can do that for $1000. pricey but you dont need to pay an annual fee to use your own internet connection

>>713186751
>>713191956
>>713192054
You can build a computer that absolutely pulverizes a PS5 Pro for $1200:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NqtN4p
You can build one that is more powerful than a PS5 pro for $800:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2dRq8Q

Throw a 20 dollar oem windows 11 key in them and you are set.

I don't know why you fuckers lie like this. It is embarrassing.

>>713194736
That's not the problem. The problem is that the amount of gpus they can make is limited, and margins on AI stuff is so much higher that there's very little reason to make gaming gpus when datacenter gpus make so much more money.

>>713186014 (OP)
Around 2020 was the time where GPUs suddenly exploded in price so it's perfectly understandable

>>713186014 (OP)
Everyone just pirates on PC
PC hardware prices are retarded

>>713190465
>Most games on consoles are still stuck at 30 FPS
Blatantly untrue for series X/ps5s, 60fps has been the standard since the start of the gen with the exception of outliers like Digimon or that one capeshit game

>>713195441
Try 2018. Crypto bros boon. PC parts prices haven't recovered in 7 years.

>>713195583
*unstable 60 fps

>>713190465
>Sure thing bud! You totally weren't born in 2001!
"PC gaming is dead" was a common saying in the 2000s, for a good reason as well. PC devs were moving to console only or console focused development and PC ports were in a dire state. It wasn't too bad in, say, 2001 or 2 but after that things began to crack and PC wouldn't recover until the early 2010s

>>713195128
Post the build list then

>>713186014 (OP)
>based on data from YouGov Shopper
I'm German and I have no idea what that platform even is.

>>713195802
>>713195251

>>713186014 (OP)
>he thinks this means anything
Both console gaming and PC gaming will go down. The future of console gaming is the Switch 2, the future of PC gaming is the Steam Deck 2.

>>713187762
Different markets, Deck was marketed and sold differently

>>713195656
It wasn't that bad, I built a PC as a "stopgap measure" late 2018 thinking I'd replace a bunch of shit in 2-3 years. Then this whole garbage and COVID demand rises happened. I could watch every available 3070 go up in price daily from like €600 to €1100 at which point I just stopped caring.
At least a 5070Ti is at a very "reasonable" €900 now. Fun times.

Playstation and two year subscription is cheaper than a mid range PC.

>>713195736
>"PC gaming is dead" was a common saying in the 2000s
Mid 2000s, but the games coming out were still great until around 2007.

>>713195863
The future of console gaming is handhelds
The future of PC is still a desktop

>>713197086
I don't care about FIFA

>>713197225
I didn't ask for your opinion

>>713187032
Whales spend more money to microtransaction more than ever while chinks & nips are still obsessed to Gacha games. This kind of shit is cancer that need to cease.

>>713186014 (OP)
>buy console for $599 US dollars
or
>buy PC for $3500 US dollars

Which way poor man?

>>713197438
You're still going to get it!

>>713197148
GPUs are costing too much, the Switch and Steam Deck are the future, PlayStation and Xbox will stop making hardware, Microsoft will stop with the Xbox OEMs, and both will fully go third party. PC handhelds that aren't the Steam Deck will die off leaving only the Steam Deck. AAA industry will collapse leading to indies and AAs taking the mantle and bringing back a new age of creativity and innovation, Japanese will take back their title, wokeness and hyper-realism will go away along with wasteful spending. Gaming can't go anywhere else because of diminishing returns. After Zen 6 UDNA, anything else from AMD will just be increments, Nvidia's GPUs cost too much. Nintendo will stick with the Switch 2 longer than the original Switch and Valve will stick with the Steam Deck 2 for a long time because there won't be another generational leap for decades and that jump will be ARM64.

>>713197772
>Wishful Thinking: The Post
People were playing on desktop PCs when they were locked down 1500 dollar machines that could barely run games.
It's not going anywhere.

>>713190465
>Most games on consoles are still stuck at 30 FPS
I can't believe PChuds are still spewing this bullshit 5 years into the generation

>>713198201
PC can last with toasters, home console gaming is dead. This was built up for years to happen. Xbox and PlayStation gamers better be getting into Nintendo, getting a Steam Deck, or learn how to build PCs or use prebuilds.