Thread 713197092

Remove input delay and input buffering and this game becomes 200% easier

>>713197092 (OP)
Git gud

A good smelling turd is still a turd.

>>713197092 (OP)
>Remove input delay
There's no input delay
>input buffering
Quit button mashing, DMCtard

im not the biggest fan of elden ring by any means, but just making up shit like there being input delay is pathetic

>>713197970
It's because they don't understand actions on button press versus button release and input buffering. Typical retard shit.

>>713197724
>don't mash
>input stolen
even souls addicts and speedrunners constantly complain that inputs are getting eaten left and right, and I'm talking about people with dozens of thousands of hours into the series including me. that shit steals wins like no other.

>>713198103
Never happened, learn to play

>>713197092 (OP)
Imagine that you woke in a world where everyone is batshit crazy and you're the only last sane person alive. This is what it feels like trying to explain to souls-shitters that their favorite game genre sucks balls.

>>713198332
You’re brown.

>letting me just mindlessly spam buttons and animation cancel into endless attacks makes this game 200% easier
You're fucking retarded for implying input buffering and anti-retard spam mechanics are bad.

>>713197092 (OP)
You're just bad at the game.

>>713197724
>There's no input delay
In fromshit games, your main defense mechanic consistently comes out on button release and not button press. Which effectively adds an inconsistent input lag and moves your defense aptitude from reaction test to Pavlov's dog style brainless memorization test.
Perhaps it was barely relevant in their early games, however, now they think that they are designing dedicated 100% action games, and for action games this shit is a crime against game design and whoever is responsible for it needs to be blacklisted from game development for life. Fromshit drones having no issues with that proves that they have zero self-respect.

>>713198332
It's ironic because myriad people, included lobotomite full-retard streamers, can beat all of these bosses for "content", but for your own entertainment, without a soul watching or judging you, at your own pace, you refuse to learn how to interface with mechanics in a manner befitting a human above 70IQ and instead get mad at the game. This is why fans of the games routinely insult you and you cannot comprehend why.

>>713198554
>its inconsistent
if you know how it works it isn’t inconsistent and you stop thinking about it after gargoyles/pursuer/vordt/margit/whatever

>>713198554
There's no input delay, git gud

>>713198673
It's not how a human would design a button for the main defense mechanic around which the entire combat system revolves.
It is possible to live with it, but why would you subject yourself to playing a game that works this way, when your life is finite and there are hundreds of other games? This shit is terrible and has no reason to exist other than a game designer's complete retardation.
Don't tell me you actually defending it as something which is better than effect on button press.

>>713198726
The lest brainrotten fromshit drone subhuman.

>>713198554
you can hold the button preemptively and then release it on reaction which adds more skill to the game

>>713199062
There's no input delay, git gud

choosing to believe OP was referring to the difference between singleplayer and multiplayer

>>713198332
(You) could just not do it

>>713199109
>Ackshully you can perform this tEcHnIqUe to mitigate game designer's utter, obscene retardation to some degree, so it doesn't matter
>It's even better than if this was made in a normal way ackshully, because wrestling against deliberately bad controls proves your sKilL
At this point I am convinced that fromshit drones are simply not human. The thought about defending something like this shouldn't even be possible for a mentally healthy person who respects themselves.

>>713199645
This is how people talk about old monster hunter games too yeah no fucking shit everything is easier if you cheese it

>>713199645
wow that's some pure autism I didn't read, who the fuck are you quoting there, tardio?

Okay I see this thread is obviously about high quality discussion but it's important everyone knows Recluse is my wife thank you

>>713199645
There's no input delay, git gud

>>713199786
You, because this is exactly what you said subhuman.

>>713198673
NTA but if your IQ was above room temperature we wouldn't be needing to argue over how the human body operates as a machine to know how flawed your argument is. This dumb fuck design was fine in earlier entries where the games were centered around being immersive action RPGs rather than full action games and featured slower combat as a result, but design creep over a decade of designing faster and more aggressive bosses and attack patterns while keeping the state machine of the player near identical to how it's been since fucking Demon Souls as pushed the design past it's functional limit. Gay Radahn has an attack string that is *literally* impossible to even avoid damage from purely through dodge rolling and requires the player to either accept the chip damage, or make a concession between making a hyper focused blocking build or pull out the parry juice in order to block the 2nd hit that comes too fast for the player to dodge after rolling through the initial string.

I'm sorry that you have to experience a growing contingent of players who have been finally turning around and realizing the ever growing diminished of quality and lack of genuine innovation on Fromsoft to tangibly improve their bread and butter game franchise that you for whatever reason decided to substitute as your personality to even feel compelled to argue so disingenuously.

>>713197092 (OP)
Wait this is actually a thing? Not surprised Fromshitters actually defend this shit

>>713199932
My IQ is above average because I can adapt easily and accept a game for what it is.
Git Gud.

>>713200091
>My IQ is above average because I can adapt easily and eat shit full of terrible design decisions while claiming that it's chocolate
The absolute state of fromshit cultists.

>>713200091
That was not the argument being made. Thank you for proving my point on the low IQ though by failing to realize that. Best of luck to you.

>>713200192
>>713200246
You lost Eric

>>713199932
The commands work exactly like intended. Good players drop the button or hold it to choose at the last second wheter or not they want to run or dodge

>>713200376
I have no idea who that is, your butt buddy?
By the way you still failed to defend the atrocity that is fromshit controls. "Ackshully it's good that they are bad" is not a valid argument.

>>713200534
They’re not bad though. Sorry Eric, try again.

>>713200376
Incredible how quick the beast is to bare it's fangs at phantoms who do not exist the moment it senses danger.

>>713200619
Inspect element isn’t new Eric

>>713200505
>Good shiteaters are very proficient at eating shit, learn from them
It still doesn't explain why players are forced to jump through those retarded arbitrary hoops which have nothing to do with core gameplay in first place. Probably because it's objectively impossible to explain in any other way except whatever slant responsible for controls being a retard. I am willing to bet money a thought about your faggot "techniques" never crossed his mind, he was just thinking where to stuff the sprint and somehow it was his best idea.

>>713200091
you aggressively accepting everything is one thing but shitting on someone else for being significantly more articulate and attentive than you is the height of retardation

>>713198332
i don't think it sucks but they pretend like it isn't cheap to stroke their own egos which is really pathetic

>>713199645
they're the kind of people who don't really have anything else going on in their lives other than their """accomplishments""" in video games

>>713197092 (OP)
>Remove input delay and input buffering and this game becomes 200% easier
That's literally all Fromslop. The games aren't "hard", 99% of the time you are fighting the clunky ass gameplay from fucking Demon's Souls.

>>713201027
>stroke their own egos
This shit baffles me. It's an anonymous imageboard, there is literally no benefit to acting like a tough guy here.

>>713200037
they have to, Fromsoft has to make 100% perfect games with no flaws or room to improve or it would undermine their """accomplishments""" for beating the games

>>713201196
>they're the kind of people who don't really have anything else going on in their lives other than their """accomplishments""" in video games
Even lower than that actually, because multiplayer tryhards can at least brag about outplaying majority of their human opponents who learn and react just like them.
Fromshit faggots though, their e-peen effectively based on performing Pavlovian conditioning on themselves to properly react to the same AI enemies who always behave identically and can't change. This is embarrassing.

>>713201010
>they’re right because of big words

>>713201530
they're right because they have a point and explained it. You're wrong because you dismiss everything like an edgy teenager.

>>713197724
>There is no input delay
https://youtu.be/KL3t_3pWKY0

>>713200797
Could you please explain how "Eric" was able to get past the one minute timer between posts on /v/? The two posts you accused of samefagging were posted within less than a minute of each other.

>>713202854
>summer tourist doesn't know
not really surprising-

>>713202854
-considering how bad you zoomers are at logical thinking

>>713197092 (OP)
>input buffering
manage your stamina, retard

>>713203585
>>713203603
Oh no no no no no!
"Detective" got BTFO:d>>713202854

>>713197092 (OP)
>if I could cancel every move into evasion this game would be easy!
let me guess you also think you need more in your moveset instead of enemies being more complicated?
dmc spastics who think enemies who do nothing and you can just press evade against the super telegraphed attacks they occasionally do is good gameplay. no commitment on moves and trivial enemies doesn't make for good gameplay

>>713198237
>learn to [ignore bad design and praise my game]

>>713203585
>>713203603
...and you believe that "Eric" would actually care enough to go that far to win an anonymous internet argument with you?

>>713203839
>let me guess you also think you need more in your moveset instead of enemies being more complicated?
After some point le complicated enemies approach just makes a player feel like a cuck midget who just constantly rolls on a floor cowering from enemies who get to be cool and badass. Even if a player plays perfectly, he is never cool, he just becomes a very slippery midget. A cuck game. A powerlessness fantasy, if you will.
It takes some serious mental problems to design something like that. Although considering how the main dev seems to be a closeted(?) shitdigger fascinated with crossdressing androgynous males, he likely has even more deviation.

>>713204259
>A powerlessness fantasy, if you will.
makes sense, with all the feet worship these games gets.

>>713197724
>There's no input delay
Fromsoft games have around six frames (60fps) of end-to-end input delay. A responsive game has 2-3.
>Quit button mashing, DMCtard
best advice anyone will ever get for these games

>>713198554
Why are you even giving souls fans the time of day

>>713197092 (OP)
Are you telling me that you can't beat these bosses but vtubers can?

>>713204259
>powerlessness fantasy
I don't play games to have a power fantasy.
if you think that is the only purpose of games, I think the problem if you then.

seems like this is a uniquely you problem since everyone else understands it.

>>713197593
>A good smelling turd
This is not a Cyberpunk thread

>>713204234
>doubling down after getting btfo:d
K E K

>>713197092 (OP)
Remove these games entirely and the gaming industry becomes 300% better

>>713199109
That's the same ability the player would have if it activated on press but with an extra step for no good reason. It doesn't raise the skill ceiling. It simply raises the floor by being completely retarded.

>>713206250
It's their job to sit there and play games

>>713197092 (OP)
Glad this astroturfed paid mod is already dying