Thread 713211127

I've been replaying FFX. It's kinda amazing how well written that game is (other than Seymour, this character was just ridiculous) taking into account it came out in 2001 and was developed in only two years. I have no idea how Square was able to deliver one FF per year.

i'm going to play it soon for the first time since 01/02. wisht here wasn't a 30fps cap though

>>713211316
I’m waiting for the inevitable UE5 remaster

>>713211316
There must be fixes of the PC ports and perhaps modified ISOs of the PS2 version.

>>713211316
how come i can play 60-120fps then go back to 30 and not care

>>713211829
Depends on the game. FFX always felt pretty responsive to me menu wise.

>>713211598
i only looked into the Steam version but apparently there's no way to, i could've swore i read that you can't emulated either because the gamespeed is tied to fps, but it's been a while since i looked into it
>>713211829
i wish i could, 60fps is already annoying but i can deal with it, 30fps makes me not even bother with the game
but this game doesn't deserve to be treated to said standard

It's a good game.
Very goofy at times, though.

>>713211829
It's frame pacing combined with the fact that the game doesn't have super precise inputs, 30fps feels fine in this game but horrible in other games. I'm a graphics dev and I consider 60fps with decent frame pacing to be the minimum for anything coming out these days.

>>713212086
>Very goofy at times, though
It's good that way. I don't know how japanese managed to find the right tone. It's a serious story, yet it's goofy, but it's never cynical like a modern marvel movie.

turn-BASED

>>713211829
I can do this even if it takes me a few minutes, but I hate doing it with the same game. Metal Gear Solid 2 and 3 are 30 fps on PS2 and I just hate it there after playing them in 60 everywhere else.

>>713212523
Wait, I think MGS2 was 60 on PS2. Forgot, but I know MGS3 was 30.

Whenever I see this guy, I just wanna punch this motherfucker. This sissy shorts wearing, fucking bat-faced, Leonardo DiCaprio looking, jackoff, fuck this guy. Fuck him and his leather lederhosen. I hate his fucking faggy Meg Ryan hair. I hate his smug fucking hideous Arch Hall Jr. face. I hate his stupid, girly, banana colored half-vest. I hate his stupid, squeaky, nasal fucking voice. And every fucking time he opens his big fucking mouth I just wanna stab him in the throat with an ice pick just to watch him die! I HATE HIM! I HATE YOU! I HATE THIS GAME AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>713211127 (OP)
FF8 9 10 11 10-2

5 years.

>>713212698
Why are so many JRPG protagonists like this? Utterly unlikeable faggots and the complete opposite of inspiring heroes.

>>713213126
>how can I relate to the main character if he's not an whiny, emo pathetic loser like me?!

>>713213059
I took it for granted at the time.
>>713212698
I never understood people bitching about Tidus. Even when the game came out, it felt completely unfair, as if they didn't even understand basic plot elements.

>>713211127 (OP)


Game cycles were faster back in the day. Got a new game every 2-3 years at the latest. Now we are lucky to get an elite game every 7 years

>>713213256
>I never understood people bitching about Tidus

>Told by Rikku not to mention he's from Zanarkand
>Five minutes later, starts telling everyone he's from Zanarkand

>>713211829
Normal brain, you also have a soul.

was spoony right[/spoiler[

>>713213126
Cynicism spike from the "lost generation" that followed the Japanese economic bubble burst. It's not just JRPGs but all kinds of things from the 90s and 2000s. From then, it became a staple of YA literature or movies, shonen and seinen manga, and games ofc.

>>713211316
If you’re on PC, Lossless Scaling Frame Generation fixes that problem.

>>713213517
He was whining even more than Tidus ever did in the entire game during his review.

>>713213729
Good morning sir

>>713213729
won't it look like shit with a 30fps source? i've tried it on 60fps games and it was ok but that was last year and i've heard it's improved a lot
>>713213829
post specs

>>713213231
That isn't what I was saying. So many JRPG protags are total bitches.

>>713213929
>didn't deny the poojeet accusation
What a surprise. REDEEM THE BLOODY AI

>>713211127 (OP)
Seymour was a doomer before his time, I’m surprised more people don’t relate to his mindset now than back then

>>713214008
i'm not the one you called a jeet, faggot. post specs.

>>713214260
>n-no I'm just getting angry on behalf of somebody else
Okay saar. No more (you)s for your shilling of slop

>>713211127 (OP)
Agreed, I'm about 80% through FF12 now and it is insane how little story and characterization there is compared to 10. I could tell you the story up until now of 12 in 1 paragraph without missing any important details, but the story and characters in 10 are on a whole other level.

>>713211127 (OP)
>taking into account it came out in 2001
>It's kinda amazing how well written that game is
how do these corelate at all?

>the entirety of the guado help Seymour pretty much lie to everyone
>they (led by Tromell) purposely get rid of any evidence showcasing his wrongdoing
>they actively murder anyone in their way, even if they're innocent and they know it (killing the Al bhed and trying to steal their home, killing the ronso, killing the party)
>I'm supposed to feel sympathy for these mutated assholes when the sequel rightfully has them being genocided

I refuse to consider this game well written because it's the same bleeding heart bullshit that so many other JRPGs try to push. "omg they didn't le know better, please le go easy on them".

How about no? Kill them all and send them to the farplane.

>>713212698
You didn't play the game. Because that was my exact opinion seeing the preview material before FFX released and then I played it when it launched the intention of it just being a fact gathering hate-play. Anyway, ends up Tidus is one of the best protags of any jrpg.

>>713213929
Earlier today I was using the latest version (3.0) to scale Gex Trilogy which is locked to 30, scaling it all the way to 165 fps. Couldn’t really notice artifacts, and if I did the overall smoothness of the game is a fair trade off imo.

>>713214346
>too scared to post specs
you're probably a 1080p60fps subhuman crying about DLSS and FG in every hardware thread.

>>713214457
That's a X-2 problem tho

>>713211127 (OP)
>other than Seymour, this character was just ridiculous
He has some cool lines tho

>>713211127 (OP)
Seymour had good ideas. It's just that he's a very esoteric character that wasn't communicated very well

>>713214386
12 is quite very funny thing because someone, somewhere wrote a fuck load of history and story... and then forgot to put it in the actual game

I thought the hd remaster for pc had 60 fps patch? Anyway, I've played through it multiple times on ps2 and I never once felt like it was slow, compared to ff9 and it's god-awful battle opening.

It's like 20 seconds.

>>713214051
It's kind of funny how the Church of Yevon has the least amount of faith while the Al Bhed have the most

>>713211127 (OP)
>I have no idea how Square was able to deliver one FF per year
a large amount of dev time nowadays is spent on making shit look pretty

>>713214747
he delivers them well too
his sharpness and acerbic delivery, along with the modulation, makes 'and your meaningless existence with it' a strong reason why rewatching the cutscene over and over isnt more insufferable

great line and gud delivery on 'you should thank me, your death means your fathers life' later on too

>>713214995
nice lore for ants

>>713214995
>m

>FFX was always goofed on but now it's almost constantly top three rated of all final fantasies.
I KNEW it was good... I fucking knew it.

>>713214747
YOUR HOPE ENDS HERE AND YOUR MEANINGLESS EXISTENCE WITH IT

>>713215225
>>713215232
>>713215324
Disregard, suck cocks, etc

>>713215375
I feel weird because I always had to rail against everyone that FFX was good actually. Except now people agree with me when I expect an argument and I don't know what to do with that

>>713215181
>Wakka: But, using machina…That’s bad, isn’t it?
>Seymour: Pretend you didn’t see them.
>[All gasp]
>Wakka: Beg your pardon, but that’s not something a maester should say!
>Seymour: Then, pretend I didn’t say it.
>Wakka: You’re kidding!
>Seymour: (Walks away)

>>713215560
Hating FFX is an opinion I've only ever encountered online.

Kitase: tits man
Ito: ass man

>>713215746
I wish I could encounter people who like JRPGs IRL

>>713211127 (OP)
>game makes absolutely no sense after the first couple of hours
>4chan calls it well written
lol

>>713211127 (OP)
other than Seymour, this character was just ridiculous
you are a chink esl

>>713215876
its true ffx doesnt make a ton of sense
but it prob has some of the best spiritual/mysticism world building in a game
and some very solid inter/intrapersonal dynamics with yuna and tidus specifically, but bit more yuna

>>713215876
What didn't you get?

>>713215868
Well, you still run into the problem that exists with all such things, the fact that even when you like the same thing as someone else the chances are high that you like it for a completely different aspect.

>>713215876
It's precisely because it does make sense that the worldbuilding is so good. The only thing that's never really explained is the farplane and exactly what the fuck it is.

>>713216201
Well I'd also say the method for creating the Fayth and whether or not summoning is still possible post Sin. Because X-2 acts like the age of summoners is forever over. And while that's understandable from a social angle, it's not like it's impossible. You just need a new Fayth.

>>713216447
>not knowing whats in the novella

>>713216589
Anon... we promised each other we'd never speak of that

>>713215994
You court death, young man

>>713215876
>filtered

>>713211127 (OP)
It's time to face the fact that FFVI is overrated tripe for millennials who played it in their childhood.

>>713216793
idk what VI has to with an X thread but it's still good, less ambitious story than X but still a very good game

>>713212698
He's one of the best FF protagonists. Play the game.

>>713213373
Come on, it's clearly to show his difficulty in acclimating to that. And after that one incident, he does manage to keep it under wraps. It's a sensible and realistic flaw.

>>713216793
I agree but I don't think shitflinging about it in a FFX thread is very nice, and if we start that trend we'll summon the XIV cult

>>713216447
Creating a Faith is akin to turning a person into a processing unit. We don't know how turning them into stone works but from then on they constantly generate information that somehow manifests in the real world through the pyreflies. I don't remember if memory storage spheres had something to do with pyreflies also. I remember fiends came from dead people's angst and hateful data lingering around again manifesting through pyreflies.
Basically FFX has the whole pyrefly Mcguffin.

Tidus>Bartz>Cecil>Zidane>Squall>Cloud (original)>Terra>Vaan>(HELL GAP)>Cloud (remake)>Clive>Lightning>Noctis

>>713217341
Based

>>713217341
Where would Ramza go?

>>713217341
>Vaan
Belongs at the end of every list. Total non-entity. Cloud I have a hard time placing because the way he acts fits with what he's been though, he was literally just a child during the nibelheim mission when he got fucked up.

>>713217689
I put the original cloud higher up for that reason, he's a pretty good depiction of a mentally ill kid who's forced into a position he's clearly not ready for but is utterly convinced he's capable - remake version loses a lot of the nuance and makes him into an autist. As for vaan I'm not really sure how to explain why I'd put him there, but I wouldn't call him a non entity, he's a pretty solid part of why the plot pivots around the halfway point.
>>713217449
Tough one, but definitely somewhere in the top 5. While I'm at it, Jack is easily the best, no question.

>>713212698
Agreed, X genuinely has some of Nomura's worst designs ever and I still believe the only reason it took off was pretty graphics and voice acting

>>713218626
>he's a pretty good depiction of a mentally ill kid who's forced into a position he's clearly not ready for but is utterly convinced he's capable
One of my favorite exchanges in all of FF7 because I relate to it

>Young Cloud
>Tifa always used to be with this three-some.

>Tifa
>...That's right.

>Young Cloud
>I used to think... they were all stupid.

>Tifa
>What!?

>Young Cloud
>You were all childish, laughing at every little stupid thing.

>Tifa
>But we were children, back then.

>Young Cloud
>...I know. I'm the one that was stupid.
>I really wanted to play with everyone, but I was never allowed into the group.
>Then later... I began to think I was different...
>That I was different from those immature kids.
>That then... maybe...
>Just maybe, they would invite me in.
>I thought that might happen, so I hung around...

>Young Cloud
>I was so prejudiced. And... weak.

>>713218626
>Jack is easily the best
Anon, stop, the based levels are off the charts already.