Thread 713217737

How can you make racing video games more exciting?

>>713217737 (OP)
online only
ai opponents are pretty much impossible to make both exciting and fun, and single player racing games are poorly structured where you're expected to finish first in every race
online racing is much more fun when you are absolutely outclassed by first place and faster than last. actually battling for every position in the pack is the real joy of racing

>>713217972
fpbp

>>713217737 (OP)
>>713217972
>>713218120
permadeath

>>713217737 (OP)
are racing games not exciting enough for you? what do you want? exploding cars or something?

>>713217737 (OP)
did the mcdonalds guy get suspended for the year because of this? that's blatant wrecking

>>713218412
I should be able to shoot other players
but only me only I get to do that so I can win

>>713217737 (OP)
>How can you make racing video games more exciting?
By actually learning to drive. Also get a job, buy a decent car maybe mod it and then taking it to the tracks on the weekend.

>>713217737 (OP)
Rivals, allies, and dynamic, evolving personalities during and between races

>>713217737 (OP)
machine guns strapped to them

>>713218745
>Most Wanted with the Shadow of Mordor system

What the fuck are those techs doing just standing around and not helping that black king beat the white driver into a pulp for daring to get crashed into? Only in Burgerland s-m-h

just make this

>>713217737 (OP)
Arcade like with good physics and high skill ceiling.

Or something like Mario Kart World

The only way to make it more exciting is to have actual organized leagues like in real life organized motorsports, where points are accumulated over a series of races as opposed to single circuit racing where every place behind 1st might as well not exist as >>713217972 pointed out, but that demands a lot of time and coordination from everyone involved.

>>713217737 (OP)
Add some kind of gacha mechanic and big titty drivers, mechanics, cheerleaders, etc to the game and watch it make money.
You know I'm right.

>>713219035
That race was so fucking great. Pour oil on the track at the end of every race.

>>713219207
How about we add big anime titties without the gacha cancer?

>>713217737 (OP)
>>713217972
Honestly the closest I feel we've gotten to a racing event type of feeling without needing full on driving sims (so as in: a game and not a sim) is F-Zero 99. You can find organized play out there where volunteers rank your progress in private lobbies for events.
Past that, just check out iRacing.

>>713219337
You wouldn't make any money, the people who play gacha do it because they're mentally ill.

>>713218547
other car cut him off earlier in the race so the mcdonalds driver wrecked him later, he got suspended for one race, nascar knows the people love revenge wrecks

>>713217737 (OP)
Make them kart racers.

>>713219337
racing fans won't buy it because big anime titties
big anime titty fans will only buy it once instead of paying for thousands of gacha rolls
not financially sustainable

>>713217737 (OP)
buy a $6000 rig

>>713217737 (OP)
start cutting off people in traffic irl

>>713217737 (OP)
add zombie cars that try to eat you and the other racers

>>713217737 (OP)
wtf is mcdonald's problem

>>713217737 (OP)
why are latinx so into this?

>>713217737 (OP)
burnout already had the best racing, but you can thank EA for killing it

>>713219690
revenge for an incident that happened earlier in the race

>>713217737 (OP)
Add a jump button.

>>713218371
kek

>>713217737 (OP)
strong female lead

>>713217737 (OP)
PRESENTATION

>>713217737 (OP)
add a career mode where inbetween races you play minigames to do stuff like audition for parts in movies or fuck your girlfriend

>>713217737 (OP)
Make more games like NFSMW

>>713219493
Can you just push people like that? That's kinda gay

>>713217737 (OP)
>How can you make NASCAR more exciting?
Try shapes other than a circle.

>>713219690
Watch again and pay attention to the color of his skin.

>>713217737 (OP)
CAM SOMEONE EXPLAIN WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH GRAN TURISMO WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK IS THIS I REMEMBER BUYING A PHYSICAL COPY FOR 30/40~ YEAAAARS AGO


NOW IT'S 69 BUCKS FOR THE BASE VERSION ON OLD PS4 IN THE STORE

AND IT GOES EVEN HIGHER FOR PAYPIG VERSIONS
WHAT IS THIS SHIIIIIIIIIT

>>713219771
not even wrong (this game sucks thoughbeit)

>>713219978
it really depends on how angry you make the nascar officials

>>713217737 (OP)
Do Americans really watch this shit?

>>713217737 (OP)
add blue shells and let viewers throw banana peels onto the track

>>713220131
Capitalism happened

>>713219940
You got carbon and then you said it sucked, fuck off.

>>713220331
Unironically this. We could launch a new sport to rival nascar

>>713218554
I think that's exactly what that Vin Diesel racing game (Wheelman?) had.

>>713218745
there is a game like this from 2004 or 2006 with a manufacturer name that makes it look like shovelware, can't remember which one though.
iirc your driver has stats that level up and other racers will remember how offensively/defensively you drive

>>713220421
It did. No one asked for the crew crap. They even managed to make the wanted system pointless.

>>713217737 (OP)
By demanding pod racer 2.

>>713220636
>I just want them to copy paste MW all over again

>>713217737 (OP)
Speed correlates to breast size. If you want the biggest tits, you have to drive like a maniac and barely brake.

>>713217737 (OP)
A good story and a banging soundtrack.

>>713220694
Would be better than anything they managed to shit out since then, yes.

>>713220857
nah kys, good thing it died with your hopes and dreams.

>>713219035
nascar is way better on real race tracks instead of ovals

>>713220896
nu-NFS will never be this good, just cope

more exotic backdrops, no one wants nothing but boring scans of real race tracks

>>713217737 (OP)
Only blue shells

>>713220854
yeah i love to commit a 2 ms mistake and then have to replay the whole race over and over

>>713220857
>>713220981
based MW chad

>>713217737 (OP)
Fear of speed, that's what keeps sim racing alive. You don’t just press the up button and go weeee without consequences. ProStreet was already heading in the right direction without going full sim, but somehow they just keep going backwards with these dumbed down games

>>713217737 (OP)
I remember being a little kid and my siblings and I would just go backwards on the Nascar games and see how many cars we could wreck
Then I played another Nascar game years later and its all like
>No you can't turn around that's illegal!
lame ass shit

>>713220981
You cope, I'll enjoy carbon.

cops and robbers gametype

personally I think Carbon is an improvement over MW in every aspect. the narrow windy tracks are great, the boss battles are fun and unique, and the shorter playtime makes it more repayable/less tedious
don't miss the cop chases either

>>713217972
>single player racing games are poorly structured where you're expected to finish first in every race
There was a brief period in the late 00s-early 10s when that wasn't necessarily the case. Games like GRID and Pro Street were just fine with you coming not in first, and let you through if you showed consistent enough results. Games prior were still riding the arcade inertia of "everything must be perfect", later games switched to "you deserve to win everything, sweetie!" model, but games from that period had the balance just right where they could afford AI that is neither overbearing nor piss easy.

>>713219493
>suspended for one race
Why the fuck wasn't he charged with assault/battery? It's not a fucking boxing match.>>713219493

>>713221079
>Fear of speed, that's what keeps sim racing alive.
>ProStreet was already heading in the right direc-

>>713221178
or the copter chases
I think every faggot that says "bring back MW" hasn't touched it in years.

>>713217737 (OP)
>How can you make racing video games more exciting?
Go back in time and live from 1996 to about 2006. Arcade racers are dead and everything now is simcade or simautism.

>>713221105
Some people are into scat, enjoy it

There never was a better racing game than this

>>713221259
nah he's right
As long as people play racing games by always holding down the accelerator and never using their brakes then the genre will continue being shit

>>713221285
it's the one I played most as a kid but returning to it I hated how wide everything is and how repetitive the structure is

>>713221318
kys

>>713221178
This is the based and redpilled take. The artificial padding with the mandatory chases where you have to do the same 5 challenges 25 times, except the number gets bigger. It gets really bad around blacklist #5. I'm 100% okay with Carbon relegating the pursuits to Challenge Card unlocks for optional cars and upgrades.

>>713221259
Pro Street's Speed races unironically have some of the best sense of "oh fuck I'm going too fast" in all of racing. And you don't even have to be going super fast like on Nevada or Autobahn, the chopped up Wangan track that's more of a circuit still puts fear into you at sub-200 speeds (unless you're a wallriding cunt who thinks finishing every race damaged is not a cheatcode).

>>713220981
This got replaced by shit like Forza

>>713221462
no u

>>713217737 (OP)
Drive to Survive already figured out how to make F1 exciting to watch so all we need is to turn it into video game form

>>713221520
stop replying to me. you can't normally make darius crash so it is clear you cheated for that webm.

>>713221194
you don't get it, this is nascar, the point is to get drink 20 beers and watch cars wreck each other at 180 mph

>>713221557
You can do exactly what I did when I replayed that crap. Don't cope that hard, it's not good for your health.

>>713221520
Muscles are kinda overpowered in this game desu.

>>713221692
They make the meme "touges" a joke, game's all fucked.

>>713221178
I only ever played carbon on the psp and MW on the ps2
Enjoyed MW much more, my favourite missions were the speed camera ones

>>713221557
>he doesn't the Corvette and the Viper are the two most overpowered cars in the game

>>713217737 (OP)
Why are brown people like this?

>>713221960
Corvette is OP in MW also, dumb fuck.
>it is ok when the game i like does it, but not when the game you like does it!

>>713218858
Special Police Task Force Rivals.and no rubberbanding cops

>>713221960
corvette in undercover was insanely retarded fun

complaining about balance in NFS is silly. you can beat em all with your starter car, you're meant to pick what looks cool

>>713221178
The narrow tracks are a joke if you have a decent car, the boss battles aren't even as memorable as NFSMW's (I literally can't remember a single boss despite beating that game at least 4x, but I'm sure anyone can remember half of MW's black list). The shorter play time is just due to the fact it has no fucking content, if you prefer replaying worse games just because they are shorter, that's on you.

>>713222107
so you want midnight club 3 cops?

>>713222343
And don't get me started on the "drift" challenges that consist in basically pressing the throttle button lmao

>>713222067
I actually like Most Wanted. I'm not other anon. But you can easily do that if you tune the car right.
https://www.speedrun.com/nfsc/guides/re8ts
>>713222274
Based 240sx strat knower.

>>713222426
I guess, I sadly have never played Midnight Club 3 cops.
I want cops to have a set speed. Special Task Force Cops should have high end or soup up cars.

>>713217737 (OP)
rockstar needs to stop remastering shit and just make a new midnight club game

>>713220981
for me it's the bus station

>>713222690
lol never happening
Not a prestige game like RDR nor makes big bucks like GTA

>>713222264
>undercover
Never played that one for whatever reason. Might give it a go, for the hell of it.

>>713218371
Would have been soooo fucking cool had he jumped that

>>713222668
In MC3 cops always reach you and are closeto you in the races they show up. they push you to the walls, make you crash and generally are very annoying, and i don't think they are rubber banded, they are just a general pest. they don't arrest you, though or it would be super shitty.

>>713217737 (OP)
2005 or so...Need for speed games were exciting

>the single nigger in the entire sport nogs out
this shit writes itself

>>713220985
for real, the great part of gran turismo was all the custom tracks they made

>>713217737 (OP)
Why hasn't anyone tried to copy Initial D arcade's driving style for a game?

>>713219893
Take me back to when games looked like this. Fuck fidelity, they peaked here.

>>713223164
shit sucks without a wheel

>>713223164
Initial D Arcade
God I haven't heard about those things in years. I used have the card that saved your data when ever you returned.

>be black box
>casually hide the best attempt at ridge racer physics deep inside nfs carbon
>never let us actually race with those physics
>make events using those physics laughably easy
>never do anything with these physics ever again
>proceed to make the best simcade the next year instead
>before sonic 06-ing themselves into the battlefield mines with undercover

>>713222905
happens often in nascar but sure take this moment to talk about niggers

>>713223372
I hated these drift events, no nuances like NFSU2. You don't even lose the multiplier if you hit the wall, unless you lose a ton of speed.

>>713217737 (OP)
YOU NEVER LIFT THATS HOW

>>713223372
Pretty much.

>>713217737 (OP)
drop whatever the industry is doing and go back to 2005

>>713223631
>>713223372
I-I like Shift 1 and 2.

>>713217737 (OP)
Cars with tits
tell me it won't sell

>>713223837
Same. Dare I say it, the shift games were better than Gran Turismo and Forza Motorsport 7th gen.

>>713223837
All three "legal" NFS-es got panned in their day, but they are all good. PS is more arcadey, Shifts are more sim but still very much arcade, those three and the orignial GRID made for a good time to be a simcade enthusiast in late 00s-early 10s.

>>713223948
nobody wants to fuck a car

>>713223837
lol

>>713219893
My dream racing game is Ridge Racer Type 4's presentation on Ridge Racer V's gameplay and graphical fidelity

>>713217737 (OP)
Shitskin moment

>>713220361
Communists get all the best racing games

>>713223837
shift is fantastic until you get to the faster stuff then the physics falls apart, but driving the lower classes is great stuff

>>713221503
Maximum Tune captures this.

>>713224335
except the numbers(speedo) is fake

>>713218371
Around Bikes, Never relax.

Boobs

>>713223372
>>713223631
>left out the part where nfs carbon and every post mw nfs was shit on for not being most wanted 2
EA and most wanted fanboys killed the franchise and I won't pretend they didn't anymore

>>713224335
Eeeh, kinda, but not really. Wangan is more zen, it's more arcadey and a lot more forgiving. Pro Street is violent, it will actively push you to go too fast and then bite you for any fault.

>>713220979
Why was it oval to begin with? They using abandoned stadium?

>>713219893
>real racing roots '99
>final stretch of the final lap of the final race rings in the new year
absolute fucking kino

>>713222343
I remember the boss drives a prototype R8 for racing.
Yeah that would work

>>713217737 (OP)
car racing is inherently low skill and boring so even the lowest int individuals will get wise eventually, that's why nobody watched nascar any more, nascar fans, the most retarded people on earth after muslims and wrestling fans, became too intelligent for it with enough time

>>713219493
>other car cut him off earlier in the race
oh my god a race car got in front of another race car
that's illegal in racing

>>713224983
>>nfs carbon and every post mw nfs was shit on for not being most wanted 2
Except Carbon *is* MW2, they just shat the bed with it. To the point where people don't even see it as a sequel to Most Wanted.

>>713217737 (OP)
Bubba is a piece of shit

>>713220016
They do road races, not nearly as interesting
Go back to F1 where the guy with the most money always wins

>>713225430
nascar and most races in general are just soap operas fashioned for men

>>713217737 (OP)
Hero Racing game
you pick a racer/racecar
they have unique health, hitbox, abilities

>>713225838
>wacky races but anime
Man what a good fucking movie. And you're so right, how the fuck has no one thought to do that yet

>>713225474
carbon is only mw2 because of the protagonist and cross
literally the m3 wasn't even supposed to be in the start, it was supposed to be the supra in the prologue (although there's rumors that was also a placeholder)
if you get rid of those two the game has nothing to do with most wanted, which is why mw 2012 was going to be mw2 before that got scrapped as well

add combat

>>713226063
>carbon is only mw2 because of the protagonist and cross
and pretty much the entirety of gameplay

>>713221183
>>713224059
>ctrl+f
>GRID
Great taste. The first GRID was fun enough to stay in the middle of ground. Lots of contact with enemies, great car destruction and the revert button.
Also, no bullshit story,no jarring stuff in career, very chill music in menu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhNRweaZEkY

And then GRID2 happen. It was such a letdown. I am still mad. They had perfect formula just to reiterate.

>>713226063
> MW2012
Man that could have been one hell of a game.
I don't get the "car weapons" part though. Why is it important

>>713226324
not even close
>entirely different racing style (solo 1 on 1 vs crew based racing)
>police chases and involvement mandatory and encouraged vs non existent aside from the random straggler
>car classes and tiers vs none at all
>territory system vs bounty and rap sheet milestones
>drifting being a main feature vs practically none existent
>car customization prioritized like previous ug titles
carbon is more like spiritual successor to underground with a splash of tokyo drift than most wanted
>>713226691
critereon wanted to overhaul the weapons system they had in HP2010 but dropped it I guess

>>713224917
I love the rival bitch in this game. So feisty.

>>713226528
What was wrong with 2019/Legends?

>>713225838
Maybe hero racing might be the way to go for balance reasons, because if I was aping redline I'd want hyper levels of customization but I know it'd be a balancing nightmare leading to everyone just metaslaving the best loadout and killing the entertainment of variety.

Really aside from the deathrace itself, I've always thought that having an actual premier Yellowline race twice a day and during the 2~ hours leading up to it people with the best stats can participate in, leading up to a weekly/biweekly broadcasted Redline race that only people that placed well in the Yellowlines can join would be a sick setup.
Having that is the reason for my concern about metaslaving though, because if you try to hype up having a big premier exhibition race for all the best players in a highly customizable game and they all show up in the same rig it would be lame. That and I'm definitely not going to be the one in charge of figuring out what sort of rewards you'd want to give to the redline winners that makes them actually want to participate

>>713227018
Legends is bloated with some fictional story (disregarding DEI bullshit), it's just tiresome. Nobody asked for it. Then when I discovered there is other "mode" which reminds of "classic grid" I got tired.
Haven't tried Autosports and 2019

>>713227346
You can introduce some randomness into the stats so that you can't metaslave. They'll still be intuitive in what they do, say, the spoiler stabilizes your car and the missiles do missile things, but you won't know by how much until you test it, and the next week it'll all be completely different anyway. Find a way to kick dataminers in the balls (like Noita did, it's been a couple years and we still don't know what the secret of the cauldron is) and you'll eliminate the meta factor.

>>713221319
>wipe everyone off the track
>Death himself gives you a commission

>>713221319
Carmageddon?

>>713221178
Could've used some drags to coincide muscles being a separate class now.

>>713228297
Drag racing is lame and only ever worked in Pro Street where it's a money sink that will get you if you mismanage your budget (unlikely if you abuse repair markers but quite possible otherwise).

>>713220981
>>713221318
>>713221520
>>713222274
God, Why NFS felt so sluggish compared to Burnout?

>>713217972
>ai opponents are pretty much impossible to make both exciting and fun
Tell that to the Motorstorm devs where they intentionally make the AI be rambunctious and try to take either you or another opponent out while you're in range of them.

>>713217737 (OP)
>ba da boom crash sskkkrrrrrr da da he's loving it

>>713230078
because burnout gives you full control authority at any speed so the only thing that can screw you up is lacking reaction time

>>713219035
Does Nascar not issue time penalties for colliding or cutting corners?

>>713217737 (OP)
Take Kerbal and make it focus on racing instead of aerospace.

>>713221183
Didn't GRID introduce handicaps that lowered your score, but gave you a higher chance of reaching 1st? I specifically remember being able to rewind from crashes.

>>713230078
Burnout is the equivalent of slot car racing where you can swap tracks freely.

>>713230318
That is a thing. Fun bones, very unfinished. The devs recently held a kickstarter for a sequel but it failed to meet the goal.

>>713230453
The opposite. You started with rewinds, restarts and assists by default, but you could disable them for extra multipliers.

>>713230310
No because its not fucking gay like F1.

>>713217737 (OP)
actual customization. actual tuning where you have to go test your setup on qualifying laps. more classes than just A B C S etc. way better drag racing on tracks that are actually prepped. game is set in late 1960s

>>713230664
I don't even think you can regularly hit first place in Grid without assists on a controller. Wheel is pretty much mandatory.

>>713231249
...I did it on keyboard.

>>713217737 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGMoQAL-OfA

>>713219493
Blue guy should have used that helmet in his hand as a rock.
But...gotta protect the brand, I guess.

>>713225147
way back when, the only purpose-built racing tracks were all ovals. horse racing was also mainly done on ovals, so it made sense. pretty much all road racing was done on actual public roads. some of those original road courses were converted into purpose-built race tracks, like the hockenheimring or spa-francorchamps.

Is being rich mandatory to participating in Nascar or similar

Are you allowed to just PIT maneuver people in NASCAR? That's how I used to play NASCAR '98 (that, and driving backwards to crash into people), but I didn't know it was legal.

>>713217737 (OP)
$30,000 cars that we are forbidden to purchase
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byxvitfAdao

>>713236028
Pretty much. You can be middle-classish and run local series. Then get a 1 in a million chance of catching someone that matters attention.

literally just make papyrus nascar racing 2003
that's it
that's literally all you have to do

Honestly, I always thought NASCAR races were on ovals to encourage racers to ram each other, kind of like dirt track racing or demolition derbies. The audiences all seem the same, don’t they?

>>713220137
Street Racing Syndicate got strong independent women in racing game right, we need more representation like this.

>>713217737 (OP)
Is anything in America even genuine anymore?
Everything is done for theatrics, everything is fake and gay.

>>713236028
if you want to make money from prizes, yes. but nascar actually starts with local races and if you don't care about losing money to race then you can do that. in college i had a roommate who raced with some old junker, it was a 60s charger or something in beater condition. he owned a flatbed to transport that car around because it wasn't street legal.

>>713236443
I jerked off to the girls striptease videos
I lost so much cum splattered all over this game bros

>>713217737 (OP)
This is the same retard who got triggered over a garage door pull string and had the FBI investigate it because thought it was a noose.

>>713236443
reminder that namco paid more to buy out this project than ubisoft paid to buy the rights to homm

>>713230078
Because they are different games. Burnout is very arcade-y, Outrun/Daytona/Crazy Taxi derivative, while NFS went for realism, coming from stuff like Test Drive/Hot Pursuit with Fast and Furious on the mix. They were both pretty good on their own.

>>713217737 (OP)
>unrealistic sliding physics
>blue skies/orange sunsets
>jazz fusion inspired soundtrack
>an announcer that occasionally says how fucking rad you are or says WOAH when you hit something