.

>gets the ability to use magic
>immediately becomes a serial killer by proxy

you're right adachi you are a fucking loser

Adachi is a retarded incel
Thankfully, he realized how retarded he was

>>713230485 (OP)
#firstworldproblems

the thing is though, if oyu listen to his backstory he HAD talent but somehow fucked up his own shit.

nepotism > talent

>>713230802
Actually, you could consider the entire dichotomy of the first world vs the rest as a greater elaboration on the issue of superior people (Whites) doing well, while inferiors suffer because they have no "talent".
Or in other words, if you do actually believe in what you just said, then the people who have "suffered" at the hands of Whites have no leg to stand on.

>>713230951
Also this, but it's more an issue of the importance of networking and social ability as compared to ability in the skills in question.

Did nothing wrong, and would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those meddling kids

>>713230485 (OP)
Not really, we've solved this issue a long time ago

>talent and hardwork>hardwork but no talent>talent but no hardwork>no talent and no hardwork

Sure you will never be 1st place if you dont have the talent for what you aim for, but you can always be successful and surpass the lazy talented which there are many, just not "top of the leaderboards" successful. Adachi is just lazy and petty.

>>713230951
Nepotism > Talent > Hard Work
This is unironically why nepobabies hate stuff like socialism because it creates an equalizer system where hard work is rewarded.
It's also why it's been vilanized so much as well, can't have the those starting at the bottom with no ticket figure out how to climb up the ladder.

>>713230485 (OP)
THE WORLD IS ABOUT TO CHANGE

Why is misanthropy just synonymous with inceldom now in the interwebz?

Meritocracy is how aristocracies are formed. What people see as nepotism is the invisible web of connections that eventually snowball into an elite class.

>>713230485 (OP)
What people see as "talent" is just some cultivated skill that falls in line more with the personhood of an individual. Like an artist being born into an artistic family in an artistic community. The kind of talent what Adachi is indirectly saying is more like savant syndrome and sometimes you're not even born with it, you just get it after some traumatic brain injury.

>>713230485 (OP)
Stop posting pictures of me

>>713231521
>hardwork but no talent>talent but no hardwork
I strongly disagree, people with talent can just casually do what you do effortlessly, it's not even a contest. And even then, what you would call "hard work" is just a chore to them, not anything strenuous.

>>713232104
Wrong, some people are just naturally more skilled at certain tasks than others, without reference to upbringing (although you could make an argument for hereditary).
Savant syndrome is just the most extreme example of talent.
>You can get it after traumatic brain injury
Because you're physically altering your brain structure.

>>713231526
>socialism because it creates an equalizer system where hard work is rewarded.
Holy fuck you're a goddamn idiot.
Anon, all socialism is in practice is appealing to the bottom 80% of society against the top 20%. Now sure, MAYBE some of those people are underutilized talents, but if we're talking broad strokes, it rewards the worst performers in a society with status. Now, if your system is unfairly biased against people, then it may actually be beneficial, but unfortunately for you, the entirety of the managerial rule has been about pushing those perceived to be successful up the ladder, regardless of other personal characteristics.
Do you want to know what your "equalization" results in? DEI.
>That's not a bad thing
Then I suggest you kill yourself.

>>713231092
Are you going to argue white success was a result of luck and nothing else?

>>713232373
> And even then, what you would call "hard work" is just a chore to them, not anything strenuous.
Gee maybe it's beause they've built muscle/gradually get used to the things they exceed at, you incompetent retard.
Roflmao you sound like the fattest fucking loser and like you actually idolize Adachi of all anime villains
touch grass my guy and get a therapist and a psychiatrist in the process before you unleash your inner Elliot Rodger

>>713232689
>t. Neopbaby seething at the idea that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

>>713232373
>I strongly disagree
Then you havent heard enough stories of people who waste their talent by doing jackshit to help it growth, its a constant occurrance that talented never learn how to hard work and get stunted later and literally cant figure it out how to hardwork if they wont outright refuse to work a little because "im talented, i dont need this!"

The almost perfect example is fighting game tier lists, only in the top0.1% of competition does it become a hardwall and toptiers (aka the "talented" characters) will always win, but outside of that you can win locals, small tourneys and even place high in big tourneys with a bottom tier if you hardwork enough.

>>713230485 (OP)
OR just inhale some bad stuff from some broken laptop once and be.. fucked for life. Does that sound fair, no? That's life baby! you fuck up once and you better kill yourself because you can't save scum irl.
Fuck it.

>>713230746
Anything outside of the first game isn't canon so he's still retarded, but there's nothing wrong with that

NIGGA I LIVED A GOOD LIFE I LIVED A GOOD FUCKING LIFE

>>713232891
>Gee maybe it's beause they've built muscle/gradually get used to the things they exceed at, you incompetent retard.
That's a completely different thing we're talking about, which would be experience rather than talent.
If we take your example, then it would be like someone building muscle 3 times harder with little effort, while a regular guy can barely get a standard gain with extreme effort, you nigger brained fuckwit.

>Roflmao you sound like the fattest fucking loser and like you actually idolize Adachi of all anime villains
>Believing in talent necessarily means you agree with adachi's actions
Retard tier take.
Now go dilate and cry to your therapist about how you're a real woman, try not to jump off any bridges now

>>713232935
>I'm trolling
Just say so, for a minute there I thought you were actually retarded.

>>713233019
>X happens
I am aware of that, have you never heard of people trying really, really hard and are incapable of measuring up to a guy who can "just do it"? Because I find that scenario farm more common than the "big fish small pond" you're describing.

>>713233421
>I'm trolling
Of course you're trolling, you're unironically bringing up DEI and are shitting yourself at the idea of creating equalizers to increase the quality of life for people at the expense of the affluent.

>>713230485 (OP)
People should stop being whiny fags that they didn't get a golden ticket in life and just kill themselves. I think that would be better.

>>713233495
>I'm not actually trolling
Fine, I'll take it at face value then.

>you're unironically bringing up DEI
Uh, yeah? It's a great example of forcing unskilled, untalented and unworthy people into positions they do not deserve under any conception of meritocracy, based on characteristics independent of their actual skillsets.
It's nepotism for the incompetent.

>are shitting yourself
I'm opposed to anti-meritocratic practices if that's what you mean, as I consider it fundamentally opposed to my core beliefs.

>creating equalizers
Equalizers for what? Certainly not merit.

>increase the quality of life for people at the expense of the affluent.
How does attacking the fundamental principles of what the system is built on (merit), delegitimizing it and causing it to decay into uselessness, result in better outcomes for anyone? Because that's what you're actually arguing for.

Talent vs Hard Work is the worst theme ever created. I will go as far as to say that it's worthless in our lives. Sports is the only career choice where it matters, and most people don't want to play sports professionally.

>>713230485 (OP)
>no mention of nepotism
adachi is a retard.

>>713234262
>Uh, yeah? It's a great example of forcing unskilled, untalented and unworthy people into positions they do not deserve under any conception of meritocracy, based on characteristics independent of their actual skillsets.
It's nepotism for the incompetent.
So exactly what the trump admin is even though they are the 'anti-DEI' but their only qualifiers for him are to be loyal rather than competent or engage in facts.

>I'm opposed to anti-meritocratic practices
You do realize you can have both socialism and a meritocracy in the same bucket, right? Socialism is a bulwark so 'meritocracy' doesn't to turn into an oligarchy like we currently have.

>Equalizers for what?
See >>713231940

>How does attacking the fundamental principles of what the system is built on (merit)
Neoptism is not built on merit, it's a system even worse than what Adachi is complaining about since you don't even need talent, you just need to be born into a family of wealth and you're set for life without needing to do any work. It's funny how you find that to be okay.

You're chasing after some idealized system that's instantly corrupted and hate the idea of any guardrails that helps a majority of the people. Either you're extremely naive, or a shill.

>>713230485 (OP)
>talent
Bullshit, luck is king. Talent vs hard work tards are fighting for scraps.
Just get a good dice roll at the start and you're set for life even with 0 talent and 0 work.

>>713233235
>Anything outside of the first game isn't canon
All the P4 spinoffs are canon

>>713235458
Nuh uh

>>713234472
>Talent vs Hard Work is the worst theme ever created.
the Naruto fanbase is still mindbroken by this.

>>713235458
They are but they aren't. They happen in the velvet room and then they don't remember any of it

>>713230951
inheritance >>>>>> nepotism > talent > luck >>>>> hard work
Head starts are invaluable.

>>713234741
>So exactly what the trump admin is even though they are the 'anti-DEI' but their only qualifiers for him are to be loyal
Correct.
You seem to misunderstand the nature of politics if you have an issue with this, but if you want a TL;DR answer, loyalty is one of the most important qualifiers.
I wouldn't go so far as to say it IS merit, as you can have a really loyal guy, but if he's a gibbering tard then he's nothing but dead weight, but generally if you have a choice between someone merely average, but you can count on them, or someone highly skilled, but ultimately mercenary in their attitude, then you would go with the former.

>You do realize you can have both socialism and a meritocracy in the same bucket
They are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
Practically however, they are, and always will be when we discuss it in the context of Western nations.

>See
Which is why the circulation of elites is a necessary function, and occurs regularly.
When it doesn't, the apparent all powerful aristocratic like entities you describe decay from the inside out, do so, and will continue to do so.

>Neoptism is not built on merit
That directly contradicts the above. Which is it.

>it's a system even worse than what Adachi is complaining about since you don't even need talent
No, just competency. However, talent allows those to rise where in other systems they would be relegated to their current lot in life.

>you just need to be born into a family of wealth and you're set for life without needing to do any work
Yes, those people are very lucky to have had ancestors who either worked hard or were born with the talents that allowed them to secure such wealth. If they then squander it, that's on them.

>It's funny how you find that to be okay.
Why wouldn't I be? Inequality will always exist unless you artificially try to equalize people to the same level, regardless of the conditions.

>You're engaging in utopian thinking
Ironic.

Wasn't there a comment by Yosuke in Golden that alluded to Arena?
>Yosuke: Uhh, we heard you were coming, so we planned a little surprise. I mean...things got kind of nuts when you last visited in May. We thought instead of you coming to each of our houses, we'd spice things up this time.

>>713235814
>Correct.
So loyalty over qualifications, congrats you're a shill for nepotism and the rest of your post can be disregarded.

>They are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
And that's all that matters, the problem is you want them to be mutually exclusive because it dismantles your neopotism system.

>Which is why the circulation of elites is a necessary function
Except it's not, but you're a nepotism shill, so you're argue that.

>No, just competency.
Nepotism doesn't mean competency, trump's government proves that,

>Why wouldn't I be?
You've given the game away you're a nepotism shill and want to keep this corrupt system, so that's a given.

>Making up green text
Surrender accepted nepobaby.

>AI slop
Par for the course.

>>713230485 (OP)
Imagine being born without a SINGLE talent though. Not a single thing you are good at. At that point, all you will be able to do will be basic manual labour or mind numbing clerical work at best. And you won't even be good at it. Almost everyone else will be able to do more than you, or at least exactly as much as you.

>>713236116
>loyalty over qualifications
Loyalty is a qualification, especially for vital jobs though. You wouldn't hire a known foreign spy with a long record of confirmed high-profile assassinations to be your head of security, even if he was the most skilled person in the entire world.

Funny is Adachi does have a level of talent. Even though he became a cop to use a gun, he properly memorized the rules when that one cop is assaulting him in Ultimax, and he's actually turned to be a crack shot in too in Ultimax. He was mostly being a whiny bitch.

>>713236134
>Imagine being born without a SINGLE talent

>>713236408
The point of Adachi's talent is that his cynicism can never be content with it. He conflates talent with perfection and that if you have this mystical blessing of "talent" you will never meet hardships.

>>713236350
>Loyalty is a qualification
>Guy who was first trying to say defend meritocracy and was cornered into admitting it's actually nepotism, is now defending cronyism, which is the affront to meritocracy.

>>713230951
money/power>>>>>>>>>>>nepotism/knowing the right people>>>>>>>>>>>everything else
hard work is just bullshit

>>713235937
Golden isn't canon either, you can think of it like P3P

Adachi is not a good villain that did everything wrong.

>>713236559
I'm not the same guy.
In the end of the day, if you want to hire an assassin that works for your enemies as your personal bodyguard because he is more skilled than the other candidates, that's more power to you. After all, what could possibly go wrong?

>>713236116
>So loyalty over qualifications, congrats you're a shill for nepotism and the rest of your post can be disregarded.
That's the nature of politics. It's like saying I'm irredeemable for claiming everyone will die eventually. What was it that you said...
>You're chasing after some idealized system
There we go.

>And that's all that matters
No it doesn't, and the fact that you ostensibly believe that sincerely means you're, hmm, how do I phrase this...
>extremely naive, or a shill.
Yeah, that.

>Except it's not
...Okay, now I think you're just being a contrarian.

>Nepotism doesn't mean competency
What? Competency is a necessary component of an elite maintaining power. If they become incompetent, they get replaced in relatively short order.

>want to keep this corrupt system
Oh no, I want to reform the system, it's just that it would be in a direction you would apparently be opposed to, Marxoid trash.

And yeah, I know you're just baiting by now based on that post, but I said I would take it at face value.

>>713236745
>That's the nature of politics.
See >>713236559

>Rest of the post is just projecting and doubling down on the corrupt nepobaby system

It's not bait if it's true, but it's clear you actually believe the trash you're spewing and it's why you're so affronted at systems that serve the many and not the few and corrupt.

>>713236878
>See
You're simply thinking in black and white. Loyalty is a necessary quality in the example you pulled out, that being Trump and his appointees. You being snide and claiming that I'm arguing for an Ought, when I'm really just stating an Is, is retarded.

>If I ignore the rest of the post like the retarded Marxoid I am, I win!
Not how it works buddy, but thank you for the opportunity to see how the other side thinks, even if I do think it's a flanderized position meant only to bait out more (You)'s calling you a fuckwit.

>>713230485 (OP)
Adachi got his dream job and lost it after a major fuck up. The MC got a harem of waifus because he didn't hide at Junes all day.

>>713237197
>You're simply thinking in black and white.
That's you, trump considers loyalty to be the only factor, which is why your defense of meritocracy collapses into cronyism and undermines your whole argument.

>I'm going to double down on my strawman!
Not how it works buddy, but keep defending a corrupt system and whining about better alternatives like adding socialism to create guardrails against the corruption you advocate for.

>>713233421
>Now go dilate and cry to your therapist about how you're a real woman, try not to jump off any bridges now
You can always tell someone's mentally retarded on this site when they bring up transgenderism for no absolutely no reason even when it's completely irrelevant

Touch grass and get help, you are a parody even by 4chan standards

>>713237363
>That's you, trump considers loyalty to be the only factor
First of all, neither you or I knows that's the only factor.
Second, if I had to make a educated guess, he considers it a primary factor now, thanks to what happened in his first term.

> which is why your defense of meritocracy collapses into cronyism and undermines your whole argument.
And again, you're conflating an Is and Ought. We OUGHT to be more meritocratic.
It IS just a fact that loyalty is a necessary quality regarding political appointees.
Not to mention you pretending that a Socialist political mode would be any different is laughable.

>Strawman
You're arguing for Socialist society, calling you a marxoid may just be name-calling, but it's definitely not a strawman.

>You can only combat corruption with a Socialist government
pic

>>713237502
>it's completely irrelevant
Nah, it was first order association with the therapist/psychiatrist comment you(?) made.
Sounds more like you're just seething that you have no argument against anything else I said, and are just deflecting with the troon insult.

>>713230746
He’s still an incel and still thinks the world sucks. The only lesson he learned in Ultimax is that he shouldn’t make it everyone else's problem

>>713230485 (OP)
>worthless hideously ugly incel
>/v/irgins fall in love with him
Not beating the incel allegations, chuds.

>>713237910
>Using AI slop so my post auto hides you
Hilarious
>First of all, neither you or I knows that's the only factor.
Appeal to ignorance, not a good start, second he clearly wants yes men given he just threw his DNI under the bus over stating that iran doesn't have nuke even though she's a loyalist.

>And again, you're conflating an Is and Ought. We OUGHT to be more meritocratic.
Nah, we had a meritocratic system, but it got perverted into nepotism and an oligarchy, socialism would scale that back which is why you hate it so much.

>Doubling down on a strawman
Concession accepted