It's officially been a year since release, have you beaten him yet, /v/?

>>713233918 (OP)
Quit playing after the hippo
>filtered
yes but you should know that it was after beating the hippo in 6-8 tries I think. I just wasn't having fun even when I beat the boss, realized I'm just not the target audience anymore so I just gave up on it
The black castle around the hippo was also ugly as sin iirc, like just completely empty plain hallways. Am i misremembering or is that actually how it is

>>713233918 (OP)

>>713233918 (OP)
NOPE I just coop everything else and never go towards the ending of SotE. I hear it's fun. I'll never find out to busy fighting midra again.

>>713233918 (OP)
yeah, he’s actually kinda boring
Flashy, but boring. Malenia’s waterfowl is much more entertaining BS than anything he does

>>713233918 (OP)
He's not that bad. Even as the toughest From boss you could fight any KH3 data boss and struggle more. I don't know if my respect for From difficulty went down or KH difficulty went up but him and Malenia don't deserve their reputation after I fought Yozora.

I got fatigued after fire snake-arm man, I already forgot his name. Marty or whatever

>>713233918 (OP)
>have you beaten him yet
no, I used shield poke

>>713234125
Be glad you didn’t get to the library portion. Tedious and it feels like a never ending fucking climb to nowhere to reach Mesmer the Impaler who is admittedly a decent enough boss. I miss the days where from weren’t difficulty wanking off the charts too but we are clearly never gonna go back to that. A pity

>>713233918 (OP)
Yeah i beat it pre nerf. Get on your knees and suck my cock now.

>>713233918 (OP)
Why did From's games get so anime?

>>713234760
They were always anime considering how aggressively Miyazaki “borrowed” from Berserk

Yes pre-nerf and with no scadutree blessings

>>713233918 (OP)
yes, I beat him on release
>noooo you used a shield that doesn't count you didn't beat him!!!!!!!
yes, I beat him. He died.

>>713233918 (OP)
hes admittedly pretty easy once you know him
i did it before the patch, no scatree blessings and did it hitless

I've never beaten Mogh(or Malenia for that matter) so I've never been to the DLC zone
10/10 best game of all time

>>713234986
While that is true there's been a noticeable increase in how flashy the games have gotten. You'd never see the crap Friede pulls in Demon's Souls or Dark Souls 1.

>>713233918 (OP)
No, I quit when I got to the area with lots of plants and shit. It was so empty I got bored.

>>713233918 (OP)
I had the worst build. It was the morning star and whip. Cool build, but hard as shit for some enemies.
I went dragon breath to compensate. I wanted to do frenzy but those suck for single player.

Ice Breath BTFO Melania HOLY SHIT. All this time and that did her in easily.

For Radahqueilla, I just gave up and did thorns on phase 1. Perfect dodge.
Then in phase 2 I summoned max Dung Eater, and did death blight dragon breath and got him to 1/4 health.
Then I did thorns and he basically killed me immediately as always, but THIS ONE time it RNG'd a crit and that one thorns before I died took him out and "GOD KILLED" and "I'll fucking take it".

Whip and flail build is fun as shit though. Just doesn't work against certain "challenge" bosses. Dragon breath is a cheese to cover the gap, but it is what it is.

My role play was the Confessor. The idea was I'd embrace all heresy to defeat heresy. Like a dark inquisitor. But frenzy sucks. Still I did do the frenzy win with Miquella's needle. So I redeemed but saved Melina in theory.

Fun time.

>>713233918 (OP)
I beat with pre nerf by poking him to death behind Fingerprint Shield. Does that count?

>>713233918 (OP)
Yes, pre nerf as well. I was already playing a guard counter build so the only weapon upgrade I made was the jump from Lance to Sword Lance. Kinda funny how the game throws so much magical shit your way and I ignored all of it to act like some knight at a jousting tournament, and ended up killing a demigod

>>713235492
no

>>713235492
Yes

I enjoy Elden Ring with no forty dollar DLC, maybe if it ever goes to twenty dollarydoos…

>>713235492
Maybe

>>713235204
I blame rolling as the problem. had to get faster and faster, which meant flashier and flashier

>>713233918 (OP)
>shit fight
>shit lore
>shit rewards
I never bothered desu

yes, i used pre-nerf lightning perfume.
if the boss is going to be unfair, so will i.

>>713233918 (OP)
Yes I have. Hardest fromsoft boss so far but the feeling I got when finally beating him was amazing. I can do phase 1 hitless now.

>>713233918 (OP)
Yes.

Pre-nerf
Full scaduce blessings
Mimic Tear with Wall shield.

>>713236321
>Excellent fight
>Good lore except that you can't reject the fight for no reason
>Fantastic loot

Yes, prenerf, no shield either, but I did use rot

>>713233918 (OP)
No I admitted defeat at Bayle

>>713233918 (OP)
Yes, pre-nerf (of the lightning bottle).
Even with the broken ash of war, it took me a few tries. Still, a win is a win.

>>713234135
jesus christ elden ring bosses are like an actual parody of souls bosses
so fucking stupid

>>713233918 (OP)
Yeah, I jumped him with Tiche, Anbasch and the Trinna obsessed fag, pelted him with poison and scarlet rot arrows and then spam jump attacked with frostbite + bleed dual swords.

>>713237457
f-filtered
lmao am i right guys?? he doesnt like how the series turned out, so he must be bad, right guys?

You did beat all the fromsoft final bosses right? Rank em.


Demon's Souls - King Allant

Dark Souls 1 - Gwyn, Lord of Cinder

Dark Souls 2 - Nashandra
DLC - Burnt Ivory King
DLC - Sir Alonne
DLC - Fume Knight

Dark Souls 3 - Soul of Cinder
DLC - Sister Friede
DLC - Slave Knight Gael

Bloodborne - Gehrman, the First Hunter
DLC - Orphan of Kos

Sekiro - Isshin, The Sword Saint

Elden Ring - Elden Beast
DLC - Consort Radahn


You can only answer if you beat all of them. Otherwise you are just showing your uninformed bias.

>>713237457
>>713237637
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/text/parody%20souls/
Shitter tranny samefag

>>713233918 (OP)
Beat him at release, pre-nerf. Shit DLC desu. First phase of that boss was the only good fight in the DLC.

>>713237514
I don't think you did any of that, because anyone who knew what they were talking about would know that summoning ansbach and thollier only make the fight way harder

>>713237719
>only makes the fight way harder
So what?
They were my homies and helped me make it to the end. I'm not ditching them just for slightly more health on the boss.
I only got a pic of pre-win and post win but here.

>>713237663
>S Tier
SS-Ishina Ashina, Old King Allant
>A Tier
Manus, Slave Knight Gael, Girlyman
>B Tier
Gwyn, Alonne, FUGS Knight, Orphan, Soul of Cinder
>C Tier
Burnt Ivory King
>D Tier
Freddy, Elden Beast, Gaylord Radahn

>>713237663
>Fails to mention the final boss of the sunken king which is Sinh the slumbering dragon
Someone needs to go finish the sunken king…

>>713238271
I forgot to mention Manus as well. Oh well.

>>713233918 (OP)
No, he was the one boss I had to use a tear for. Now that he is patched ill never get the chance again.

>>713234125
It's a different game. It went from a "dance" to trading blows. The rollslop insult got to them. You did mess up as the next boss after the hippo was the only fun one in the game.

>>713234629
Nothing will ever be worse than the first 1/3rd of Sekiro. They toned down the bullshit after it under performed do there is hope.

>>713238418
>The rollslop insult got to them
schizo

>>713237663
I did them all but 1. I was stuck on Ishin when BG3 came out, went and played that. Now I can't go back as I've forgotten the controls for the end boss :(

>>713233918 (OP)
i burned out and stopped playing right at the beginning of the final dungeon of the dlc, maybe its time to go wrap this up

>>713233918 (OP)
Whacked him with me zweihander as is tradition

>>713238623
It was a joke about the fact rolling isn't as useful in the DLC as the main game. This is a Mongolian Basket weaving forum and most things here are fiction my poltarded ESL.

>>713237678
schizo

>its been a whole year since this shitty DLC released
God where does the time go?

Technically no, I got tired and used lightning bottles to finish up

>>713233918 (OP)
No.

Fuck him, fuck the lore, fuck everything about it. Not fun, not cool, not worth my energy.

>>713233918 (OP)
I enjoyed it for the fact that I get to make the joke that to beat him I had to nuke him twice, well that and that he was legitimately so hard that for a while people just released all their restrictions to beat him. Feels good to see everyone let loose

>>713239006
What part of a gender fluid child raising a mid tier character from the dead to have a homo-necro-incestios relationship is bad lore to you?
Now you'll never see the end video where the he/she sits in a room.
CAPTCHA for cats ppsps

>>713239087
It's not letting loose. It's that he's badly designed and you're punished for approaching him flexibly so people just give up and use overpowered shit they don't enjoy so they can say they got the dub.

>>713239147
Exactly. I have literally no incentive to do it.

>>713233918 (OP)
>Hey remember that dude you fought earlier
>Well he's back, also he's gay now and in a gay marriage to a local crossdresser
>This made him giga strong actually
I cannot perceive this boss in any other way than a shitpost from devs. Whoever came up with the idea of making this was definitely drunk or high.
Problem is, why would i fucking bother with "challenge" at something that i can't possibly take seriously. This is one of the most immersion-destroying things i've seen in my life. I dropped dlc halfway through because I felt no motivation to reach THIS.

>>713237663
>All Fromsoft final bosses
>It's just soulshit
Anyway
>Fake Allant
A good climax thematically, dogshit in terms of actual gameplay, I miss soulsucc though, it was a nice gimmick
>Gwyn
See above, but he has no soulsucc so he's worse than Allant
>Nashandra and the rest of the DS2 literal whos
All trash, Ivory King had a nice narrative gimmick with the gates at least, but it's still bad in actual gameplay terms
>Soul of Cinder
Again, thematically fine but still bad mechanically as it's way too dumb to live, a bit better than the rest of the previous Souls final bosses though since his attacks are tighter
>Friede
Surprisingly okay, if it weren't for the fact that it's still DS3 and she completely ignores projectiles, meaning she melts against any spellcaster
>Gael
Again, fine thematically, absolute dogshit in terms of gameplay as it has a moveset meant for an actual arena but is stuck in a bigass empty field, which unlike Friede means he will never, ever pose any threat to you, also still facetanks projectiles
>Gehrman
Kino in terms of narrative, mediocre outside of that because BB is a mess mechanically
>Orphan of Kos
An ugly boss in all possible ways, at least he's sorta proactive though which automatically puts it above anything before DS3 gameplay wise
>Isshin
Simon says gameplay isn't interesting, old Isshin is better Sword Saint though, Sword Saint is too weak and nothing he does is a threat, at least Old Isshin has a "ground is lava" attack which forces you to mind your positioning for a bit
>Elden Beast
Kind of a mess, now that you can use Torrent in the fight it's also pretty much a glorified victory lap after Radagon, which is actually a decent fight
>Gaydahn
Suffers from the same issue as old FROM bosses like Zinaida where on one hand it pushes the systems to their limit and on the other it highlights system issues and unbalance even harder,

>>713239173
I'm sure a good chunk of people were desperate enough to reach for the strong shit but I still saw a lot more people sticking to their guns and optimizing it to get the win their way. For my part I just needed to fix up my talismans and swap in scarlet aeonia so that my light rolling fth caster could score the win and then a week later (which to be fair was after the scadu buff patch) I scored another win with frost wing stance and a medium shield again on a light rolling character. No sekiro deflect, no super heavy stuff or any of the super meta guide stuff, just doing things my way. And I'm an average /v/ player at best, so if someone as trash as me could do it I'm sure others rose up as well.

That said I will admit he's not a boss I would consider re-fighting. Messmer is fun to fight and I would gladly re-fight, Radahn is a test and I can only enjoy my time with that after I've already beaten him.

>>713239623
>BB
>A mess mechanically

>>713239683
>Oh man I didn't have to reach for strong shit I just *literaldescriptionoftiptierbosslayingsetup*

Every time.

>>713234125
You say this, but you still wont touch Shadow tower

>>713239696
BB is an absolute mess in terms of gameplay, not only it's incredibly simplistic but none of the mechanics work well, the enemy design is especially bad.
The only good thing I can say about it it's that DS2 still exists so it will still be above the absolute dogshit line, but it's not a good game, you can see a lot of similar systemic issues in Sekiro curiously enough, both are rushed games with a lot of stuff crammed in with zero regards for mechanical consistency or depth, they're games you play for the aesthetics first and foremost because mechanically they absolutely fucking blow.

>>713239889
I didn't ask for your dogshit retarded oral diarrhea. You're incredibly comically wrong, BB is widely recognized as a masterpiece of ludonarrative harmonics and enjoyable action combat.

Souls fatigue hit me just before the release date. I platinumed all the games, Elden Ring included, but I was genuinely uninterested when Shadow of the Erdtree came out. I also rolled my eyes when I found out the most popular boss was yet again Radahn.

>>713239758
My man you'll have to point out whats op about my setups in the DLC where people were complaining about not being able to cast without getting punished(an absolute lie by the way) and where a lot of people were leaning towards blocking for defense instead of rolling. Unless for some reason light rolling is considered OP now. Neither of my wins were quick nuke fests but steady grinds instead

>>713239889
What's even the point in trying to discuss something when one person can only deal in extremes?

>>713239987
>BB is widely recognized as a masterpiece of ludonarrative harmonics and enjoyable action combat.
By who? And why should I care about blatantly bad opinions? The game is unironically musou tier.

>>713240093
Frost and Rot are both SSS tier tools that literally bust bosses better than a large variety of other things. Frost is literally better bleed that leaves the enemy with a dmg res debuff and rot is scaled based on HP so it always does good damage and allows you to.play more passively.

>>713239567
>>713239147
You've not played the DLC. In fact you probably have not played the base game

>>713240113
Having standards =/= dealing in extremes.
BB is a poorly designed game and a betatest for DS3, its only merit and legacy is going back to the faster combat of DeS and standardizing that speed for the following games.
Sekiro's the same, it's a horribly rushed side project with zero regards for internal consistency to the point most of your prosthetics have a single enemy in game that is actually designed around their gimmicks, and there's a dedicated bunch of them that is so poorly designed it completely breaks the rest of the game.
Again, they're very casual games you play for the aesthetics first and foremost, none of this is dealing in extremes, it's simply acknowledging the problems these games have instead of being a mindless drone.

>>713240505
>above the absolute dogshit line
>rushed games with a lot of stuff crammed in with zero regards
>mechanically they absolutely fucking blow

>>713240268
I fucking wish I didn't play this drivel.
No matter how many mental gymnastics you perform and how many random item description quptes cherrypicked with an extreme compilation bias you present, in the end when some slant was designing that drivel's story, he made it deliberately look like >>713239147 and deliberately picked words like "consort" knowing exactly what they mean.

>>713233918 (OP)
I haven't even played it yet

https://youtu.be/k5JgkdEuU30?feature=shared
I have.
Twice.

>>713233918 (OP)
Once on release with the shieldpoke cheese and a second time a few weeks ago spamming guard counters and summoning the dragon woman.

>>713237719
>summoning ansbach and thollier only make the fight way harder
So basically you didn't really beat him if you didn't summon the two guys.

>>713233918 (OP)
I beat him twice. Once with the old man and the other time in NG+ with both npcs just so I could get this outfit. I genuinely love this fight.

>>713241292
You don't need to summon NPCs to get their outfits, it's been like that since DS3.

>>713240194
I was gonna say rot wasn't a meta thing but then I remembered a lot of people jumping on antspur rapier with the shields, much easier than what I was doing (radahn had to get hit by both the blast and stay in the bloom for long enough to rot and you WILL get hit at least once casting it) so not gonna pretend it didn't make the fight easier, It's within my scope though to use all my tools as a fth caster so it wasn't much of a deviation from my normal build (was cast twice from my recollection, once at the start and the 2nd after his nuke, all else fought with my normal tools) which was my original point of people using more of the tools in their toolbox and not just defaulting to the "meta" or "cheese" builds(you know how long I've waited to scarlet aeonia a boss and it being an actual strategy?) but yeah I will admit it is a strong tool I still needed to not eat shit and do my own attacks so it wasn't a free win but yes rot helped a lot..From what I recall though frost was a less major effect for me. I think I procced it like twice at most and I spent most of the time just figuring out when I could block/dodge to wing stance heavy him. Still a tool still helped me beat him but that wasn't as fight defining as rot, shit nowhere near as close. Also wasn't the main difficulty in radahn people actually getting to use their offense? He's not a particularly tanky boss so a lot of the ways people cracked him open were finding better defensive options or finding out how to sneak damage through his blast zones

>>713240814
Except it's not like that at all, you fucking fag. Miquella isn't "gender fluid" and is neither capable of romantic love nor physical sex.

>>713241648
The thing about scarlet aeonia (and the dragon rot breath) is that they give a more potent version of rot than other sources

>>713236252
game is barely wortha pirate save your money

>>713242419
Samefag tranny

>>713238271
Sinh is just a poor man's Rathalos hunt. He's horrid.

>>713233918 (OP)
It did actually come out a year ago, what the fuck
I'm not sure I even bought it at some point. I had very little desire to revisit Elden Ring in general desu.
I guess I got filtered by the mostly empty open world and the last third of the game consisting of dodging le ebin fullscreen anime super attacks.

>>713237663
Gael and Isshin >>>>> the rest >>> Radahn.

>>713242317
Didn't read your mental gymnastics.
A slant artist depicted a female looking person wearing female dress, hairstyle and jewelry, and said that it' a man.
A slant writer chose to use a word "consort" knowing exactly what it means in English language.

>>713235073
I beat him post nerf with the *tips fedora* sword, bloodhound step, blackflame blade, and giant rot pots, and don't feel like I cheated anything either. That stupid x-attack, which I did throw myself against pre-nerf, was actually stupid and it's legitimately insane it got through the testing. They could've only changed that and it would've been fine, frankly.

I do appreciate the motivation to actually make use of a bunch of shit that you normally don't "need" against any Souls boss. But I still feel like Bullshit Consort should've been the optional super boss and we got to fight a Pet Cemetery Godwyn instead.

>>713243948
Man, that boss moveset feels like a shitpost.

>>713233918 (OP)
Yeah, I did it pre-nerf on NG+2. Quite an awful fight compared to most DLC bosses. Sad to see it end on this after absolute kino like Mesmer and Midra.

>>713242937
He has long hair and a robe, that's it

>>713243948
god damn I never actually seen this fight
he immediately fucking beyblades at the screen what in the fuck?? how do people take this fight seriously?

>>713244249
I would've much preferred consort to be the middle point, have anus ilum collapse, and have it revealed to have been built over the abyssal woods as a seal.

They should've gone full on with the frenzy flame entities and not just limited us to winter lantern knock offs.

>>713233918 (OP)
I brought my friend along for seamless coop because i was so done with souls game that i barely finished main game solo while being bored out of my mind. I used myriad to exploits and bug to beat DLC and actually had ton of fun this way. I dont care about fromsoft games anymore.

>>713244730
I was talking mostly from the gameplay point of view. But if you mean the story, I'm honestly baffled they even brought Radahn back. I mean, sure, the rotted version boss fight doesn't do justice to the supposed mightiest demigod. But the whole consort plotline really came out of nowhere. What the fuck happened to Miquella-Godwyn-eclipse sub plot? Where's the resolution? I'd much prefer Myrmidon Godwyn over Myrmidon Radahn, if there was a choice.

>>713239889
Disliking Sekiro and DS2 is a sign of autism and virginity

>>713240036
The most popular boss is Midra tho

>>713233918 (OP)
Yeah, with the stone shield and poison rapier, he jobbed pretty hard.

yes but it was modded

>>713233918 (OP)
Pre-nerf, NG+1, with all the Scadutree blessings I think.
I was a faith build and abused casting Heal From Afar at my feet for like 20 full health bars worth of healing.

>>713233918 (OP)
Yes and it was shit
The cutscene right after was a sla in the face
"Miquella the Kind spoke of the beginning" except he actually just speaks about wanting to fuck his half (3/4?) brother. Literally who gives a shit about the retarded yaoi, and then the DLC just fucking ends and you can't even climb up the magical God staircase because there's a chest high wall in the way. I'm still mad. Still not as bad as the ending to Sellen's quest THOUGH

>>713233918 (OP)
Yeah
Didn't feel a thing. It's just another spastic boss from an action game while you are stuck with soulslop protagonist

>>713233918 (OP)
yeah, i was pretty much done with that game well before that fight
cheesed the shit out of him so I did it first try. i dont even remember what happens afterward, I just got up to piss, get some food, then went to /v/ to shitpost

>>713233918 (OP)
I dropped the game literally at his boss door

>>713238418
Never heard of your pic before
Reminds me a lot of the Pegana stories by Lord Dunsany

I was a FTH caster so it was physically impossible for me to beat him. Summoned a dude with mohg spear and fingerprint and that did it
what a shit fucking dlc

I'll be eternally grateful they put in a blessed blue dew talisman so I could actually USE all the fun shit
Guess they should've done it in the base game but oh well

>>713233918 (OP)
Fuck that motherfucker

Is there something wrong with Miyazaki? Why the fuck does he put homosexual pederastic incest in the lore?

No, I can't be bothered.
By the time I got to Radahn I was already highly annoyed by 90% of the dlc, it just felt like From doubled down on all the shit that was bad about the base game. Once I got to his second phase where he's zipping around at mach fuck and shooting a billion lasers everywhere I lost all interest in trying again, even after they nerfed him.

>>713242317
>Miquella isn't "gender fluid"
he literally had a female form he discarded. Thats more literal "gender fluid" that what twitter freaks believe
anon miyazaki likes crossdressing boys get over it

>>713245850
blue dew is busted as hell, it totally obsoletes the base game FP recovery gear
if you have all of 12 faith for bestial vitality you can clear entire dungeons not drinking a single flask

>>713246064
Who cares? It's not like Dungeons are about attrition anymore. Nobody dies from running out of resources. You die because an enemy or gank-squad wombo combo you from 100 to 0, or some Tanimura special of being ambushed by an exploding retard or pushed off a cliff. You could already abuse HP recovery gear to slowly grind through dungeons anyway.

>>713246284
>Who cares? It's not like Dungeons are about attrition anymore. Nobody dies from running out of resources. You die because an enemy or gank-squad wombo combo you from 100 to 0, or some Tanimura special of being ambushed by an exploding retard or pushed off a cliff. You could already abuse HP recovery gear to slowly grind through dungeons anyway.

I started my third run of it today. I beat it in launch week with maxed weapons and as many blessings as I could find, post-nerf with +18 weapons and only going up to 10 blessings, this run has maxed weapons but it's a lower level than either previous playthrough. Completely demolished Dancing Lion and Rellana with zero blessings used so far. It's fucking comical how much you can get away with when you actually build around trading blows.

>>713233918 (OP)
I poked him with the guts sword. It was fun.

>>713246049
>he discarded
Yeah, so not genderfluid.

>>713245801
Skill issue tbqh, i beat him as a pure faith caster
>muh holy
he has equal absorptions to all elements

>>713248763
I can't help but wonder how people are even perceiving the game when they say they can't hurt bosses with a faith build. You have access to every damage type. Throw a lightning spear or black flame fireball for once in your life, or chuck rocks if nothing else will do. Magic is the only damage type that's not very convenient to a faith build but there's not a single boss or enemy in the game that's solely weak to magic.

>>713233918 (OP)
No, Shadow of the Erdtree was bad enough to make me realize I am done with Soulslop for good.

I really enjoyed the DLC, even if I think Miquella's writing feels like it needed to be fleshed out notably more.

>>713233918 (OP)
Non-canon DLC.
Neightreign is canon.

>>713237663
S TIER
Friede
Orphan

A TIER
Isshin
Gael

WHATEVER TIER
DS1 and DS2 bosses

SHIT
Consort

>>713233918 (OP)
beat him week 1 legit, didn't use thorn spell cheese or perfume cheese or greatshield cheese just beat his ass with a fire knight greatsword, cracked-ass weapon

boss still fucking sucks though and that ending is trash, it's like they wanted to try moving away from Soulsisms but Miyazaki is still stuck on a lot of them and the game ends up weaker for it, that and ever since they started actually giving more of a shit about multiplayer and balancing for it by making the system worse all the weapons and items and spells and arts have to be worse too, I'd gladly have had them add some of the shit in Nightreign as base stuff in the original game

>>713233918 (OP)
of course I have

>>713244923
>What the fuck happened to Miquella-Godwyn-eclipse sub plot?
This never existed, ever. It was always headcanoned by people that didn't understand neither Godwyn nor the Eclipse

>>713250530
>The buck broken BTFO fag is here

>>713236617
The issue with Consort Radahn is that it needed more delayed hits and dash attacks to really stand out and space out the player. He does some but since the player tends to stick to him he would rather do the standing charge or the sidestep. It would benefit massively from being more mobile, especially because the visual issue wouldn't be a problem in the first place.

>>713251228
didnt beat the game

>>713237663
peaks are Isshin and Gael

worst is Nashandra and nu-Radahn

>>713233918 (OP)
only once
but i did all of the DLC with all my characters and everytime i stopped at radahn because he's too bullshit

>>713233918 (OP)
not yet. ill post a video on jewtube once I do. still playing TwinkBorne atm.

>>713237663
I beat them all, not sure you did though
>>713251881
Radahn is top 4 at least

>>713233918 (OP)
He's such a majestic boss but the Vaatividya retard told everyone the DLC would be about.
When I was telling people Godwyn won't be there and neother will the GEQ because they are both in the base game (Eiglay is the GEQ) and solved, they would foam at their mouth and attack me

It's hilarious to look back at the lorelets who couldn't get past Elden Ring lore filter

>>713233918 (OP)
I did not beat him. I don't know how to avoid his left swing -> right swing -> uncross. That's the only thing that kills me at this point. I did 206 tries and quit. I know putting on a shield and heavy armor is a free kill, but I'd rather not kill him than cheat.

>>713233918 (OP)
I stopped playing when I realised I had apparently skipped over half the map and was about to get to the end. Despite it all, the main game was pretty good at pointing you to explore most places, so having this happen in the DLC was off-putting. Too much of a shitter to go into Radahn underpowered lacking Scooby Snacks so I preferred to resign instead of looking at a guide and going to places I absolutely would not have intended to on my own.
I'll go back to finish it later this summer, hopefully.

>>713233918 (OP)
Of course. He's challenging but kinda easy when you learn to parry. The most frustrating boss in dlc was the hog rider for me, such a cunt.

The real question is: did you do the NPC rumble in its full glory, or did you tell Moore to kill himself, leave Freyja to her illiteracy, and help Leda kill the Hornsent?

>>713233918 (OP)
shit game and shit dlc, open world fucking sucks.

>>713237663
>SS Tier:
Sword Saint - The ultimate test of Sekiro's mechanical systems. The beauty of the fight is that if you have sufficiently acquainted yourself with all the underlying gameplay mechanics of Sekiro without relying on the sparingly few cheesing options available, the fight becomes less so a monumental challenge, and more an incredibly satisfying rhythm-game like dance

A Tier:
Isshin Ashina - Not quite as good as Sword Saint, and arguably even more demanding, but an interesting and haunting diversion that presents one of the few major consequences of player choice in these games
Gael - The triumphant culmination of every Dark Souls boss
Radagon/Elden Beast - Radagon himself is pure kino, and the Elden Beast is glorious spectacle that's imo unjustly maligned
Orphan of Kos - Besides some wonky camera issues in phase 2, easily BB's best boss, a nightmare child born from an aborted dream
Consort Radahn - Outshone broadly by Messmer, Midra, and Bayle in the DLC, but still a satisfying and suitably 'epic' finale. I'm not a 'Godwyn should have been there' schizo, but the resurrection of Radahn does feel somewhat staid a choice
Sister Friede - A generally decent endurance fight with just a few irritating mechanics

>B Tier:
Gehrman - Visually on point, and mechanically engaging, but slightly too much of what is essentially a charged-up NPC hunter style feeling encounter
Soul of Cinder - Pontiff Sulyvahn should have been here. Regardless, SOC is clearly a decent fight, but everything from the attacks to the music feels woefully uninspired.

>C Tier:
Gwyn - Thematically and aesthetically perfect, mechanically too simple

>D Tier:
Allant - Much like Gwyn, suits as an anticlimactic moment to demonstrate the folly of ambition
Nashandra - A strange, and unusual boss that, like much of Dark Souls 2's base game, is clearly a result of a botched and strangled development

>Should have probably been left on the cutting room floor tier:
Aldia

>>713233918 (OP)
I haven't even fought Messmer. Every time I go into the DLC I lose interest about halfway in. It's so fucking boring.

>>713233918 (OP)
never bought it because it was much more expensive than I thought it should be and was just kinda done with ER
also nightreign is a better game

>>713233918 (OP)
yes, some faggot with a greatshield and rot rapier stabbed him to death while I was slashing at his ass with UGS. shit boss.

No though I really need to sometime

>>713251353
I am still right about it being non canon.
Your headcanon will not change anything.
Nightreign proved that the DLC's lore and story is an insult to the Elden Ring universe.

>>713255073
hahahaha /v/ is so cooked

tried for days got to like 5-10% a couple times but mostly died sometime in phase 2 since you never really get to attack
ended up beating it with some shield + rot/bleed build
fuck that shit worst boss in any game ever

>>713259601
filtered

>>713233918 (OP)
If they made this game linear it would have been 500 times better

>>713233918 (OP)
Beaten him in the first week. What's the problem? How difficult he is, or isn't, is up to you.

There's people who think specimen storehouse is a slog? It's 10/10 level design and I was grinning the whole time.

>>713261553
Most places were kino, once you got there. The thing that annoyed the fuck out of me is the map design where you constantly see cliffs with stuff down there and you have no idea how to get down
Idk maybe some people like that, I just found it frustrating

>>713261832
>complain that it's flat open fields
>complain that there's cliffs and actual level design even in the open world

I don’t play tranny nigger japslop

>>713258963
Lol retard, ask me where is Miquella's body

>>713262014
I never complained about flat open fields, just that that the flat open fields are too big since they are mostly empty in ER, they could and should be half the size. In Shadow it's still mostly empty but on top of that you have annoying cliffs.

>>713235204
Thatd more technical limitations than anything else

>>713236321
Filtered
Filtered
Filtered

Filtered retards are not welcome on this board

>>713234135
Based

>>713254723
>Soul of Cinder - Pontiff Sulyvahn should have been here.
This headcanon is even more retarded than Godwyn is Shadow of the Erdtree.

Pontiff Sulyavhn at some point was in Untended Graves (not the Klin of the First Flame, the Ubtebded Graves after Oceiros, as secret boss) because it's where Sulyvahn profanes the Firelink Shrine, and some troon youtubers made up sone headcanon about how he was the final boss all along

The irony is that Dark Souls 3 and Elden Ring are literally the only games where the plot didn't change one bit and the only cut content amounts to some stuff that was put in the DLC like Batwing Demon being the original Old King of the Chaos Demons and the Untended Graves having an underground pit area where Oceiros originally was

>>713251228
>probably used a summon
>got grabbed by the lil fag
>shield
You did NOT

>>713235204
It's the slow evolution towards a 3D shmup. Elden Ring and Nightreign have entire boss sequences where you cannot target or damage a boss while it spams projectiles and AOEs. I assume the next proper game after Elden Ring will combine that game and Armored Core 6 and feature full 3D mobility with like, airdashing or just straight up flying and it's all bossfights where you avoid shmup patterns and only need to QTE the boss once at the end to defeat them.

>>713233918 (OP)
yeah but I need to cheese him with deflect tear

>>713235204
>Dark Souls bosses never throw spells, make combos or cause explosions

> there is a guy who must come into elden ring threads and angrily reply to all posters who express how shit the game is

lollery

>>713235204
>You'd never see the crap Friede pulls in Demon's Souls or Dark Souls 1.
Not for lack of trying, those games had attempts at big cinematic boss fights like Storm King and Dragon God and reaction-demanding fights like Flamelurker, False King Allant, Gwyn, and Manus. They were still figuring out their core mechanics though so the gameplay was not all there yet.

>>713263041
How is that even cheese
Making yourself invisible and the boss simply dying (patched I believe) that's cheese

>>713233918 (OP)
Loved messmer, loved the wing stance attacks, but when I reached radahn, I was just done. I don't care about these games anymore, absolutely burnt out soulsfatigue++. Not a fan of the new games not being singleplayer, but even if they were, unless it's sekiro 2, I'll likely won't ever buy a fromsoft game again.
Souls did not benefit from going open world, and after playing 3 openworld games, I never want to play another.

>>713263172
What I don't get is why do the later games have dungeons or any kind of travel space at all since the non-boss game design has evolved backwards with mechanics and features constantly being removed.

lol no, didn't even try. I beat Rellana, rot lady, and I think hippo and maybe Dancing Lion. Was not fun

It's a trash DLC with horrible bosses.

>TFW no little brother to ride on my back.
Lorian and Radahn are so lucky.

>>713233918 (OP)
I'm close to finishing the DLC for the first time, from what I understand I just have to go throw the lake place to get to the shaded woods and then after that I just have to fight Bayle then Radahn and I pirated the game and apparently i'm on patch 1.12 pre-nerfs so i'm not expecting to have any fun.

Dogshit DLC. So much recycled content, a lot of the DLC is literally just empty fields sprinkled with shitter mobs. A lot of the bosses are fucking terrible dogshit. Rellana was fine, wasn't a bullshit boss for once but that also made it too easy. Messmer wasn't THAT bad but I think when I fought him I was getting one shot by his nukes despite wearing heavy armor and at like level 9 with the scadutree bullshit. If you bought this DLC at full price you are an actual cuck, can't believe they spent so much dev time on this. Does not even begin to hold up to the other games DLCs, unironically would've been a better experience if the world was smaller and all of the content could be seen and beaten in under 10 hours

>>713246708
>It's fucking comical how much you can get away with when you actually build around trading blows.
The light weapons in ER are basically dogshit, Especially in DLC. If you can't break stance you will suffer. And they balanced poise around jumping attacks lmao.

>>713233918 (OP)
I cant finish the DLC, it is so FUCKING SHIT that I just cant be assed to play
I dont even remember where I dropped it, I think after Messmer?

>>713263670
They are only shit if you don't use grease, buffs or status

>>713233918 (OP)
When does the game go on sale? I want to try it but I'm not paying full price since I already own DS3.

>>713263668
I am still convinced that the DLC that the DLC was going to be something completely different and just a huge linear dungeon, but then they went
>WAIT, what if we, between these dungeon rooms, put fuckass huge fuckass empty spaces that offer literally nothing?

>>713233918 (OP)
It filtered billions

>>713263946
>t.retard that pressed send
That way, they bumped up the price from 15-20 bucks to 40 or whatever the fucks this dogshit was

>>713263812
You can use grease, buffs or status or big weapons too. You will break stance you will deal more crit damage. It's not like you have opening to unleash full DPS potential of light weapons. Either two R1 or one heavy R1. Though dual daggers are much better than any other light weapon.

>>713263946
The map is fantastic, anon. Don't know what to tell you. I loved how vertical and layered out it was
>>713264098
>You can use grease, buffs or status or big weapons too.
But it's a flat application PER HIT

>>713263670
Light weapons are mechanically boring. You can buff them to have absurd dps for sure, but all you're doing is applying negative values to an enemy healthbar. Big weapons do hitstun, big weapons break posture, big weapons can hyperarmor through attacks. There's real interaction and feedback to using them.

>God I wish this was a boss rush they should've cut out all the empty space between bosses

>>713264241
>PER HIT
Two R1 or one heavy R1. Just try GS+ against any DLC bosses and see how easy it is.

>>713233918 (OP)
Yeah. Before that laughable nerf, too.

>>713233918 (OP)
week one
125
pure STR
no status
no summons
cant remember scadu probably 13-16

dogshit boss btw

>>713239889
You're incredibly wrong. I revisited BB recently and was GENUINELY surprised how good the mechanics are and how they're made with the enemy design in mind.

After playing DS3 and ER I was expecting to hate BB, assuming it would have all the flaws of those but no, it's amazing. So amazing that I have my schizo theory that part of what makes BB good is the people at Studio Japan helping out a lot, at least for ideas for mechanics and such because I don't believe miyazaki to be some genius designer and he got lucky with DeS and DaS1

>>713264508
I mean Japan Studio helped with both DeS and BB.

>>713264508
>BB
>Most bosses can't be parried all you do is R1 and dodge
>DS3
>Most bosses can't be parried all you do is R1 and dodge
>ER
>Many bosses can be parried, blocking is rewarding with guard counter, big weapons are good at blocking so you don't need a shield, deflect tear opens a whole new way to play, jumping and low attacks can be used to avoid damage while maintaining pressure, stance means moves other than R1 have a purpose

>>713264508
>Dps based stagger
>gun parry
>Blood gems
>Rally doesn't yield reasonable amount of HP on certain weapons
No

>>713264098
>You will break stance you will deal more crit damage
Small weapons actually crit about as hard as big ones, or at least a few classes of small weapons do. There's hardly a difference in crit damage between a straight sword and a giant crusher, nowhere near as much as the numbers on the stat screen might suggest. And if you're running Square Off on that straight sword, or using a decent shield with it for guard counters it can also break stance at a comparable rate.

>>713235204
But you would in base Bloodborne (specifically Martyr Logarius).

>>713264417
Works on my machine

>>713264821
>Square Off
Oh yeah this AoW is pretty OP. It's so op there is no reason to use straight sword R1. You can coulter with heavy weapons and shield too.

>>713237663
I think the surprise phase 3 on Friede was the peak of Souls games for me.

>>713264241
You are a fucking retard

I didn't hate the DLC but i barely remember playing it, it's just a haze of sloppy dungeons, filler material and radahn. I don't see myself replaying it any time soon whereas the new Lies of P DLC i definitely could

>>713264508
Not only Bloodborne is extremely inferior to Elden Ring.
Dark Souls 3, 1 year later, was a massive improvement and a total refinement of enemy design

>>713264789
>I am a fucking retard, and recognize so for everyone to see
Incredible very nice

>>713264910
Try this and feel the real power.

>>713265116
The Lies of PLC is excellent, it feels like they either listened to player feedback about the giant areas that took ages to explore
They didn't tone down the "le ambush as you pick up an item" memes though, that still happens on 80% of pickups

>>713262212
Why does Michel's body look like an adult in the cocoon?
Why does the promotion art look like a child michela on the horse?
Why does michello look like he does while riding radon, and where is his arm?

>>713244645
They don't. The fight leaked pre-release and the entire elden ring general was convinced it was a modded pontiff sulivan false flag.

>>713245694
It's a map of the Dreamlands from Lovecraft's works (mostly the Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath) illustrated by Jason Thompson (pen name: Mock Man), who also drew a graphic novel adaptation of the aforementioned novella.
Lovecraft was inspired by Dunsany a lot, and this story is particularly influenced by how writing.

>>713243948
Holy fucking kino. Is this level 600 plus or something?

>>713263946
>I am still convinced that Fromsoftware didn't have the backbone to committ to deliberate design choices
Mouthbreathing retards like you got BTFO so hard. Not only Shadow of the Erdtree refain the open world nature of Elden Ring, but massively improved its level design and how the map is layered and explored. It's hilarious how much butthurt From causes with every single game lol, cry more about it

>>713265341
>ESL retard is still at it
Lol

>>713264789
>Most bosses have arbitrarily extending combos with end points that might suddenly become a new attack chain the instant you attempt to do anything also 50/50 coin flip attacks where the boss randomly holds for a variable amount of time before executing an unreactable attack that segues into another endless combo so the only good option is to huddle up behind a shield, run away or roll spam for most of the fight. Oh yea and if you hit estus the boss instantly (like the same frame that the drinking animation starts) winds up their attack
Ah, great gameplay design.

>>713265595
>Inane bullshit
Git gud, retard

>>713246046
Giving all the bosses immediate attacks when you walk through the fog wall to dissuade mimic tear spammers was a bit much.
>>713244645
Almost the bosses do that in the DLC
Messmer - https://youtu.be/X8lPYwvHCv4?t=87
Tree Avatar - https://youtu.be/u5meR7KBOrY?t=2
Gaius - https://youtu.be/YxqP5-R2lDA?t=1
Bayle - https://youtu.be/RLetVZ4eDWw?t=1
Midra was one of the few that didn't descend into slop which is why he's so much more memorable than all the others
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTMOQgJiwuc

>>713265540
>Not only Shadow of the Erdtree refain the open world nature of Elden Ring, but massively improved its level design and how the map is layered and explored.
It's only improved level design and how the map is layered and explored. Actual content is barren wasteland with epic loot like never ending cookbooks, smithing stones(1), shitty gloveworts (you barely have any zones to summon shitashes too). And few caves.

>>713265595
Good, stop being a rollslopper and embrace parrying, blocking, deflect and jumping. Don't wait for your turn when you can make it your turn.
>Oh yea and if you hit estus the boss instantly (like the same frame that the drinking animation starts) winds up their attack
Happens since DeS. Laughable how many of you have goldfish memory.

>>713265341
>Why does Michel's body look like an adult in the cocoon?
Because it was given blood to grow as vessel
>Why does the promotion art look like a child michela on the horse?
Because he travels as a golden spirit in the land of shadow
>Why does michello look like he does while riding radon, and where is his arm?
Because the left arm represents St. Trina, who is missing and needs no body replacement when reborn

>>713265590
Nightreign is fucking SOTE in the ass in therms of lore and soul.
SOTE feels like a dried up turd that spent too much time in a contipated man's colon.
Nightreign feels like an intuitive movement with a pencil on a canvas.

>>713234760
Atorias was the moment they went anime.

>>713265857
>Because the left arm represents St. Trina, who is missing and needs no body replacement when reborn
Then why does st katrina doesn't miss an arm too?
Why is she a fucking flower?

>>713265738
Midra does a flying, spinning attack too anon, he just doesn't use it as his best long-range option, he shoots a sustained beam instead.

>>713244645
>take this fight seriously?
What's the issue?

>>713265826
See why I love Elden Ring. It regularly filters retarded tourists that can't play RPGs and never played Souls games with anything more than the most basic mechanic utilization.
The crafting system of Elden Ring is excellent and opens fantastic rewards, and the game rightfully kicks you in the balls for not using it. This is based and redpilled and Elden Ring making you mad is a sign of how great the game is.

Elden Ring open world is also excellent because unlike most open worlds, it's progression is driven by such rewards and you aim for tools and elements that can expand how you play. It's ARPG fan heaven

>>713266182

>>713264331
Light weapons used to be good in older souls games because you could get more attacks out in between a boss's attacks. Now you can hardly even do that shit regardless so you're expected to "create your own openings" (use a big weapon)

>>713265975
Yeah but he's got a unique opening which sets him apart. All the other bosses I linked open the fight in effectively the same way dressed up a little visually visually. Mimic Tear's activation time is around a second, so the boss rushes in a straight line to reach you in just under a second with a hitbox that will take 3/4 of your 60 vig health.

do delayed attacls work in real fights irl

>>713254723
>Sword Saint - The ultimate test of Sekiro's mechanical systems.
What a reddit fucking opinion. Owl is a 10x better fight and actually subverts expectations.

Isshin literally does not do anything special and his second phase is super abusable. 3rd phase is a victory lap.

Playing Sekiro after this shit DLC is such surreal experience.
>next two From games are multiplayer slop with FOMO mechanics
>next is multiplayer only slop
It's pretty much over right? VD was flop but it seems like Nightreign is making $$$.

>>713266612
It might make a person flinch but if someone's swinging during your delay you're just gunna get hit.
In Souls games the bosses get away with it because they don't react to anything until an arbitrary stagger meter is filled.

>>713265867
They are written by the same author you stupid retard, and you are so stupid and retarded that you can't actually understand either of them, because if you did, you would know Nightreign takes a fat shit on your Godwyn headcanons.

The cutting gifted tribe did exactly what Miquella did. Noklateo (the Eternal City), is where Godwyn is. In the base timeline Godwyn was assassinated to be reborn Lord of Night, because Gods only usher in the resurrection of a Lord

Like Miquella who created the Ring of Light, the cutting gifted tribe had created the original Primordial Rune, this is why they hold under the Castle sacrificial numen flesh bound with facsimile silver braids, which also causes silver tree barks to grow

I still hate what they did with Miquella's character, the fucking extension of Marika's lore sucks, they extended it by shedding light on boring elements while still occulting central elements like the original sin, the betrayal, who the fuck is Messmer?
Who is the father?
What is this fucking vagina looking thing?
What are those fucking golden strings?
How did michella learned about the fucking ritual in the first place?
This is so fucking shit it's fucking hurting.
And this fucking ansbargh faggot, while looking really cool, he is a fucking faggot, "hrugh become a lord for men not for gohdsws!!!" fucking faggot, have you seen what men are you retarded cunt?
I hate this shit so much, this DLC sucks.

>>713266740
>Like Miquella who created the Ring of Light in his Haligtree*

>>713266840
>Who is the father?
There's no father, retard. Messmer is born of grace
>What is this fucking vagina looking thing?
It's a funerary shroud
>What are those fucking golden strings?
Are you kidding me? How retarded are you? This game is really an IQ filter

>>713264241
>The map is fantastic, anon. Don't know what to tell you. I loved how vertical and layered out it was
Bet you love assassin's creed too

>>713267147
They are nothing alike, nigger.

>>713266612
It works more like stance like Square Off. As I remember in jap sword fighting there exist spear-like thrust that aims at your throat or eyes. And if you don't know what to do you will die because you can't judge the distance between your eyes and blade.

>>713267040
hughh "it's the Elden Ring!!!
This is not a fucking answer, what the fuck is it?
Messmer is not born from grace, this motherfucker is cursed, Marika got fucked by a demon snake or something, to give birth to such an abomination, he is rotten from the inside, primordial anger.
why was the thing inside the shroud was having these golden strings?
Who was it?
I hate this lore so much, I swear they chose to explore the worse aspects of the base game and extended them into a fucking shitty soulless mess.

>>713264789
>Complaining that you can't parry most bosse
This is both untrue and an insanely retarded take in the first place. You fags' entire existence is just to shitpost instead of provide actual arguments that make sense or hold any ground

>>713264808
>DPS based stagger
Either wrong or you're talking about something weird
>Gun parry
Not a great mechanic but it's not infinite
>Blood gems
What the fuck is wrong with blood gems other than RNG if you want to TRULY optimize your build (which only matters for PvP)
>Rally
Your healing is much quicker in BB so rally not being amazing for every weapon isn't some massive detriment.

>>713265180
>I am a shit eating retard
that's good for you but you should go back to sniffing glue rather than pretend your opinion matters

>>713267484
>Messmer is not born from grace
You are beyond retarded
>hughh "it's the Elden Ring!!!
Yes, its the Elden Ring taken from the aspiring Goddess, anyone who entered Enir-Ilim and doesn't have the IQ of a fly should figure that out
>Still believes people fuck to have kids in Elden Ring
>AFTER seeing the spirit graves
>AFTER seeing a boss literally birth babies
You are retarded and will literally never understad Souls lore, especially Elden Ring

>>713233918 (OP)
It's absurd how crazy retarded difficult he was pre-nerf, but then again, he IS the very last boss you're expected to play, DLC is meant to be played after Mohg (High Level Boss), so it'd be expected to play him at level 200-300 and max level Scadu, most people bitching and moaning about him played against him on NG+ with no spirits, barely at Scadu level 16
Gatekeeping how to play souls likes has go to be the most retarded shit ever

>>713267773
>Either wrong
Stopped reading, don't reply to me again before you actually understand game design

>>713267773
>What the fuck is wrong with blood gems other than RNG
Forced CD. Fucked up PVP. It's a half assed mechanic because you need gems only for NG+.

>>713266182
>The crafting system of Elden Ring is excellent
Holy fuck, how much miyazaki sperm does one have to consume to believe this?
>duhh look guys the game is really epic and awesome if you grind CRAFTING mats to abuse enemies weakness and play outside their range duhhhhh
No shit, every souls game can be abused if you used range abilities and exploit weaknesses. The crafting system does not add some new magical layer to the game.

Admitting that the game is way too hard unless you go out of your way to find and grind cookbooks/crafting mats to trivialize bosses really shows how much of a mouthbreather you are.

>>713267817
>AFTER seeing a boss literally birth babies
Who? Metyr?
It's a fucking alien beast, not a fucking human looking cunt who was a fucking villager girl (it's fucking retarded and gay)
How did the shaman "people" reproduced?
How did the hornsent digusting race reproduced?
Marika was a simple shit who ascended by using tricks is that it?
It's fucking gay as fuck.

>>713268302
>Who? Metyr?
Trust me, forget Elden Ring existed because you are literally too dumb to understand it

>>713268302
>Who? Metyr?
Yes, and Count Ymir, a normal ass human sorcerer

>>713265280
Because the ambushes where more of
>Nah fuck you that was on purpose

>>713268302
>Marika was a simple shit who ascended by using tricks is that it?
Marika being a usurper is the literal drive of the plot and the motive behind her actions in the base game, and why she too must die and be reborn with a Lord

>>713265540
You are completely fucking retarded
>refain
goodmorning sirs

>>713268093
>The RPG mechanics in an RPG are le bad
Instantly outed as a fake souls fan
No need to use your picture as signature, anon

>>713268497
This shit is specific to this cunt, not all.
You tell me muichella and radon were born in fucking amber eggs?
>>713268592
>and why she too must die and be reborn with a Lord
Well, did she die? and who was the lord that she as reborn with?
Radagon? isn't she radagon too?
Like Michelle and darannia are the same people too? that's fucking retarded and makes no sense.
The faggot who is writing this shit should get pulled by his hair violently and punched in the guts.

>>713266182
Nah this is bait
Even if you are a brown pajeet you cant be this retarded

>>713268093
>Making builds in a game about builds means you have no skill, you should rollspam inefficiently and get filtered and compain about anime bosses
Holy shit kill yourself at once

>>713268093
>I'm getting useless materials while exploring
>They're not useless, see how useful they are
>IF YOU GRIND FOR THEM AND USE THEM YOU ARE ABUSING THE GAME
>Wait weren't we talking about items found during exploration, not grinding?

>>713268815
>This shit is specific to this cunt
No, it's specific to the world of Elden Ring. That egg was taken from the Bonny village.
>Well, did she die?
>and who was the lord that she as reborn with?
>Radagon? isn't she radagon too?
No, Radagon is a larval tear she has made

>>713268497
Also, look at the fucking shit she is birthing, she is trying, but they look fucked, this shit look like an experiment, failed rebirth.

>>713268815
>fucking retarded and makes no sense. The faggot who is writing this shit should get pulled by his hair violently and punched in the guts.
Yes
>Isn't Marika Radagon?
No, they became one later but first they were both different people
"Loyal hound of the Golden Order, thou art yet to become me, thou art yet to become a God" Marika's own words according to Melina, Marika's daughter

>>713269136
Are you the writer of the lore?
You are pulling things out of your ass and calling it a day just like the main writer.

>just don't rollspam, sister SotE is gud
If SotE rollspam gameplay is 6/10 then
>shield
dogshit retard gameplay 2/10
>parry
dogshit retard gameplay 4/10
>crafting
dogshit retard gameplay 1/10
>jump spam
dogshit retard gameplay 2/10
>summon mimic ashes
dogshit retard gameplay 1/10
>overleveling
dogshit retard gameplay 1/10

>>713269143
Yes. She needs a larval tear, that are only mimicked by the Eternal Cities or found in the enclosed Realm of Shadow, where they form naturaly
>Where did ye flee, my sweetings?
>Come out, from whence ye hide. There are books and light aplenty.
>Dither not; come out say I!
>Or will ye be gravestones? To be better born anew?
Births don't happen under the Golden Order outside of souls reborn through the Erdtree. And before it death drifted in the land of shadow where spiritgraves naturally formed larval tears then used for births through the same egg

>>713269203
Wasn't it the same stuff as michelle and st katerine?
Did they fused together after birth or was michel born with katerine inside?
Why marika and radagon would be separeted people, where does Radagon come from?
What is he? where does he come from?
is he a shaman?
He certainly is the father of messmer? right?

>>713233918 (OP)
I beat the game and never looked back. I'm especially not interested in DLC from what I've seen. I'm thinking I should make a character in DS1 and put down signs to help people fight dumb and dumber, that'd be more wholesome

>>713233918 (OP)
I haven't beaten the main game yet. I took a break from it to play other games.

>>713233918 (OP)
I got to him last month and got him down to where there was basically no health bar left and it was just one last hit before he goes down and I accidentally press the sippy button while out of sips and he fucking kills me while my guy does the out of sip animation
I got so mad I just turned the whole shit off and I haven't played since

>>713268093
nta but the crafting system in elden ring really is good. many dont realize it because they dont bother interacting with it since like everything else in the game, its completely optional.
you can make damage pots which are really good
you can make all types of arrows which are really good
you can make perfumes which are…okay I guess lol, but the defensive ones are really good.
you can make boluses, wax and so on.
you faggots truly are casual secondaries who cant play a game without first looking up online “muh op build”
kys faggot. fr, do it. kill yourself.

>>713269560
I hate that they are not explaining this shit better.
I want to see the birth of Marika's children, I want to see something strange and cool.
How are the parents are adding their own part to this larval tear and the fucking egg stuff, how does that work.

>how dare u to not use shitty crafting u casual secondary

I wanto to brag that I beat Consort Radahn up to NG+7 but the game is somewhat easier when you are not being held back by lack of tools and levels.

>>713269594
>Wasn't it the same stuff as michelle and st katerine?
No
>Did they fused together after birth or was michel born with katerine inside?
Miquella harbored St. Trina from birth because he is Empyrean. Marika was not
>What is he? where does he come from?
He is a larval tear with Erdtree amber as grace, which is why he is "cursed" with giant hair color, the same color of the Erdtree sap
>He certainly is the father of messmer? right?
You still don't understand how births in Elden Ring work
Births are the result of grace and communion, Marika birthed Messmer and Melina herself in the same way she created the Erdtree. Millicent has no father either

There is something off about ER's boss design. Like what you character can do is not suited to handle what the bosses are doing. And before you saying this is a skill issue, I have beaten the true final boss of Nine Sols, completed Nioh 1/2, Sekiro, NGB on MN, etc. and never thought any of these games felt "wrong".

>>713270475
Skill issue, the player has a fuck ton of tools you never bothered to use. You can doubly fuck off if you've never blocked or parried when 9/10 starting classes come with a parry shield.

>>713270475
ER's bosses are regular souls bosses with animation delays and input reading, so it feels off and wrong. Not even DS3's bosses felt this off. But I think Nightreign gives me hope since these bosses are far less egregious in these regards than ER and SOTE bosses. It's also weirdly exciting to fight old bosses like Centipede Demon, Smelter Demon and Nameless King because they don't have the same problems as ER bosses, even though they're a cakewalk by today's standards.

>>713270572

See >>713269517

>>713268927
Who are you quoting, cuz it certainly isn't me. You've made up an argument entirely in your head.

>>713270660
>ER's bosses are regular souls bosses with animation delays and input reading
also tuned to the point where there is enough time for exactly ONE (1) hit between 15 hit combos with obnoxious particle effects across the screen

>>713270993
Stop being a rollslopper then.

>>713270475
Wow good job you figured out something anyone with half a fucking brain can figure out, granted most people who enjoy ER don't even have a quarter of a brain but still.

Yes, ER is dogshit. This is a completely brand new IP with a brand new world. Bloodborne had a similar start and it created a bunch of new mechanics and changed similar ones to fit it's new world and it ends up feeling great.
ER on the other hand re-uses the EXACT same setup as a normal souls game except....you have a jump button now. Meanwhile enemies are faster than ever, more mobile than ever, are more complex than ever, typically deal way more damage and the best you have now is a jump button and summons that don't require special NPCs/Co-Op.

They completely threw player-enemy balance out the window. ER bosses would've mad sense if they were put in a sekiro style game or even an actual action game like DMC or something but in ER with these crazy complex beefy fast enemies we're supposed to believe the one to beat them all is a guy who can roll really good

>>713270475
Because ER was made during covid/work from home days in Japan the entire game was made with the studio in total isolation from each other which is why nothing feels unified. Likely the animation team was making bosses while being told they would finalize the gameplay in post lol so they made sekiro bosses for what would ultimately become fat soulsman controls. Jumping, torrent, ashes are all tacked on last minute and make no sense.

I mostly have positive memories from the DLC, but the low enemy variety, clear unfinishedness of the south areas, boring boss weapons and a dogshit final boss have soured it quite a bit.
It was basically a Milady dlc for me.

God tier atmosphere tough.

>>713266706
>Nightreign
It's way better than SotE for me. Something about wrangling a couple retards through the bosses is just more fun than actual Elden Ring. I burned out on the dlc almost immediately. I stopped at two playthroughs of it even though I had five different characters dlc ready. It was just so shit.

>>713233918 (OP)
>Beat boss after 10 tries
>Here le tarnished 6 gorillion shekels
>"holy heckerino, I am going to level up!!!"
>endurance +1
>shekels = 0
>start shekel farming for 3 days
>doing the same thing over and over again as it produces the highest yield
>10 gorillion shekels
>"This time it will be different"
>Strength +1
>Realize every attribute has a 99 level
>Uninstall or...
>FLiNgTrAinEr
>200x shekels
>400 hour game reduced to 50 hours
>complete the garbage
>Spend time with wife and daughter after uninstalling the abomination
:D

>>713270046
The player is literally reborn through the same process
>How are the parents are adding their own part to this larval tear and the fucking egg stuff, how does that work.
Grace, or Blessing of Grace, is the life giving power that generates births or (or rebirths if given back). This process is seen in the intro. Even when Rya questions her birth, she is told she was born of a Lord's grace. This is only halftrue since Rykard is communing with the God devouring serpent, which is why they are man-serpents. Melina doesn't know what having an actual mother is and actual sex trascends the birth of the Erdtree and generates misbegotten and other Crucible touched creatures. Similarly the Hornsent are foreigners that lack the divine connection and spirits the numen flesh is harbouring, so they likely have sex, and regardless of that, due to the influence of the Crucible currents, they grow horns like other beasts. This is why consuming numen spirits makes them commune with the Crucible currents

It's so fucking sad how dogshit Consort was in basically every way aside from the OST. He looked like his animations were unfinished and generally had a weird lack of details compared to Gael and Orphan, his attack patterns were straight aped from pontiff and vengarl.
Then a korean souls copycat hits you with THIS sick ass motherfucker who had ten times the soul and fun factor of Consort.

>>713271651
>and vengarl
This retarded lie again

>>713268947
>>713269909
Every souls game and I mean EVERY souls game has given players and item that lets them buff their weapon temporarily with any of the available element or statuses with no additional stat requirements or anything. Found in the world, these were usually finite, but you could usually grind souls to buy an abundance of them. This let you abuse enemies weaknesses to deal a fuck ton of damage.

ER crafting system is no different from this except with extra steps added and ERM BUT TECHNICALLY there's more items which typically just means some kind of throwable projectile which most of the other games had too but again, could just be bought from a merchant with the normal universal currency.

Pretending crafting is something special is nothing but retardation. You're trying to put icing on top of a pile of shit and tell me it's a delicious cake.

>>713233918 (OP)
>It's officially been a year since release, have you beaten him yet, /v/?
i stopped counting after 19 times. fun boss that can be cleared with a variety of builds & strategies

>>713233918 (OP)
No, never played the expansion because it sounded awful.

>>713271778
Yeah he's fun
I just wish he was less static and tended to space more. I wish he was a bit less Radahn and more Consort Radahn with more light anime dashing attacks

>>713244923
>What the fuck happened to Miquella-Godwyn-eclipse sub plot?
Probably scrapped when they merged two separate DLCs into one and the Miquella half got less focus. Or maybe it was just meant to be a Berserk and Dark Souls 3 reference.
Don't listen to the Ensha schizo/troll who makes all sorts of baseless and disprovable claims. There's many things affirming the eclipse was related to Godwyn, or rather him and all the soulless demigods of the golden lineage (which is why there's a wandering mausoleum right outside the castle).

>>713271950
>There's many things affirming the eclipse was related to Godwyn,
Nope, it was always headcanon

>>713271778
>clipping into you for 90% of fight

Yeah so fun. Much game.

Was this false advertising?

>>713269517
>Playing the game
Dogshit retard gameplay 0/10
>Sekiro parrying everything in NG+ with Deflecting Hard year
Holy peak 10/10

>>713265535
Nah, you just stack on the damage negation buffs, then hit him with a giant oil pot to make the fire damage of the dragon head do way more. The thing about the fight is it's "easily" doable if you just abuse Elden Ring's absurd amount of buffs and consumables, but this is largely unique in the entire series, as even other super DLC bosses have not required that level of cheesing.

>>713271714
https://youtu.be/G_-SQvuRWcI
LITERALLY the same combos ported to their modern version of the engine.

>>713271778
>fun boss that can be cleared with a variety of builds & strategies
Prove it and post fun gameplay that isn't abusing hardtear

>>713272060
>Deflecting Hard year
Having that shit on a 5-minute timer is an atrocity. I will just wait until someone ports executioner deflect to base ER and makes it universal.

Maliketh needs proper fighting instead of his ass first phase.

>>713272127
weeeeeeeeeeeee

>>713272060
>Sekiro parrying everything in NG+ with Deflecting Hard year
it feels wrong because it still not real deflection

>>713272121
>LITERALLY the same combos
LITERALLY not because the characters move nothing alike and have completely different poses
This retarded headcanon shows how stupid the criticism Consort Radahn gets actually is.
The funny thing is that the Cross Slash is a dual sword Banished Knight attack stage, but you brainrotted retards think 2 enemies in 2 different engines being both inspired by Nosferatu Zodd means they are the same boss

I played the DLC on my RL137 NG+ INT/FTH and didn't beat him, he was too hard. I cheated to see the end and uninstalled.

I never found the tree boss and I didn't finish the madness woods because I didn't care. ER socks, no solo invasions suck, dead game with no pvp(DS3 and even DS2 are unironically more active) and now the company is pure coopslop.

>>713272282
>Hyperarmor abuse
This is nu-fun not real fun
I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you weren't actually having fun

Can't wait for ER2!
>he's too fast
skill issue

>>713272427
The abyssal woods (at least the final area and the boss you fight there) are the best part about the DLC though.

>ER bosses would've mad sense if they were put in a sekiro style game or even an actual action game like DMC or something but in ER with these crazy complex beefy fast enemies we're supposed to believe the one to beat them all is a guy who can roll really good
>wait... you're using deflect tear!? doesn't count
>wait... you're using hyperarmor!? doesn't count
>wait... you're using guard counters!? doesn't count
>wait... you're using parries!? doesn't count
>wait... you're using consumables!? doesn't count

>>713271773
>ER crafting system is no different
Kill yourself disingenuous retard

>>713272387
>LITERALLY not because the characters move nothing alike and have completely different poses
What the fuck are you babbling about, faggot? It's literally the same combos. DS2 just used its own set of mocapped animations for enemy model skeleton which is the only difference between them

>>713272639
Midra's Manse was a pitiful 5 minute long straight corridor and one of the biggest disappointments in the game, especially after how insultinly easy abyssal woods were.

>>713272749
Yes.

>>713245694
You know Lord Dunsany but have never encountered Lovecraft's later Dream cycle? That's impressively localized classical fantasy/Irish folklorical familiarity.

>>713271773
Consumables so varied that they have dedicated stat boosting gear and cost FP and you can actually use them on game reliably by dumping exploration rewards into crafting specifically what you need is a new for the series and a much welcomed change
Bewitching branch would be a niche spell almost never slotted in Dark Souls (Rapport)

>>713272749
>Bandaids and bloat to fix busted mechanics
Okay anon

>>713272639
As soon as you realize there's nothing to actually be afraid of beyond the five-ish winter lanterns (and you can easily kill those anyway), the entire thing loses its sense of tension. And with out that, like the rest of the DLC, the area is too big, too empty, but also isn't as intricately layered or worth exploring as other places. It's just a giant, empty forest that you can't even ride your spirit horse through to save time.

I hate to call for more content/gimmick reuse, but there totally should've been some sort of brain of mensis to the area. Perhaps even a mobile one. A giant, floating, flaming eye patrolling the woods, forcing you to deviate from your path to hide from its gaze. Something, at least, beside absolutely nothing. The area is the definition of bark being worse than its bite. It looks cool and the atmosphere is great, don't get me wrong, but this only heightens the disappoint of what it actually is.

The actual best area is the Ancient Ruins of Rauh. It's genuinely a place you have to learn to navigate, and has the most varied content in terms of types of areas, items, and enemies in the DLC. It's the epitome of the idea of turning the over world into a "legacy dungeon." It's not perfect, but it's way, way less boring than the Woods.

>>713273414
Except for deflect tear they've all been in there day 1. Don't tell me your "build" is less capable than 9/10 starting classes because you threw away your shield.

It still feels like the right with Leda and co. was the real finale of the DLC.
They made a huge mistake not having Miquella appear until the end. It feels like the game is actively trying to avoid drawing attention to how much the protagonist (who really gets reduced to a murderhobo this time) is indebted to him.
The horse was once Miquella's.
The spirit ash bell was Miquella's.
The needle that lets you spare Melina, cheat fate, and become a lord without succumbing to the frenzy flame was Miquella's.
But none of this comes up at all.
On that subject, despite her ties to Miquella via Torrent and her brother Messmer being the real focus on the DLC we're still very lacking in information on Melina.

It all makes me think that SOTE should have just been the basis for a spinoff game, not an expansion pack. All the problems with the lack of integration with the base game would have been avoided.

>>713273609
SOTE is two unfinished DLC merged into one.
First DLC was supposed to be about Mesmer for sure

>>713272940
>It's literally the same combos.
No it's not
>DS2 just used its own set of mocapped animations for enemy model skeleton which is the only difference
Because they are not the same animations, faggot
At most they have a similar concept

>>713234135
This is how I beat him

>>713271950
>Don't listen to the Ensha schizo
Had no intention to.

>>713273609
None of this was given by Miquella to the Tarnished. The needle for example was for Malenia.
Miquella is certainly not a saint or portrayed as such

>>713273846
>No it's not
They literally are. Left right cross slash, double slam, cross slash,
>Because they are not the same animations
They are. Merely adapted their mainline engine.

>>713273770
Nonsense
>>713273442
It should have been Farron Keep 2 to fuck with normalfags, including the slow walk puddles

>>713274192
>They literally are.
No they aren't, retard.
Can't you see they literally don't move or pose the same way at any point in their animation. They are not the same animations, they are two animations of a dude swinging dual sword, animations that Radahn shares with the Banished Knights for lore reasons

>>713272052
Yes. Completely.
Same as the Marika appearence.

>>713274198
>half of the map is empty
>N-nonsense

>>713274301
>for lore reasons
What about the combo he shares with pontiff silliman you brain rotted, cocksucking faggot

>>713274192
You are a fucking retard
When does this animation ever happen with Radahn. This is supposed to be the finishing blow of the cross slash
It doesn't because they are not the same
Vengarl moves like a drunk ballarina wiggling the arms

>>713273442
>The actual best area is the Ancient Ruins of Rauh
Not only Rauh has basically nothing of value to reward you for exploration, almost the entire place can be skipped by hitting a spiritspring rock with a cannon.

>>713274505
>When does this animation ever happen with Radahn
The video literally shows you.
>Vengarl moves like a drunk ballarina wiggling the arms
Oh, so like Consort

>>713274356
The DLC purposefully chooses to focus content and makes part of its map a transition to 3 different quest areas, which is also visually stunning. The DLC wouldn't be as memorable if its scope was smaller or its size was spread evenly.
There's zero indication of content for another DLC

>>713273770
It certainly does feel unfinished in many aspects.

>>713273770
Assuming DLC 2 would have focused on Miquella, I'm thinking Metyr would have been in that one.
When you consider Ranni's storyline and everything she and her group went through, the absence of any mention of the Fingers in Miquella's DLC plot becomes noticeable.
Did he and Malenia even have shadowbound beasts like Blaidd and Maliketh?
Were they considered to be in-line with the Fingers' will, or were they considered rebels like Ranni?
What does it really mean to be an Empyrean? How do the Fingers go about selecting them?
The closest we got to it was Ymir talking about Miquella, but it's unclear if they actually met or Miquella came anywhere near Metyr or the Shaman Village.

>>713233918 (OP)
I parried that nigger to death pre-nerf after realizing it's 10x easier than rolling 5 fucking times for every attack. God Elden Ring is a joke.

>release game with bullshit difficulty
>barely 40% of players have beaten a certain boss
>publisher tells the devs to make a dlc
>they lock the dlc behind the boss not even half the players have beaten
>once in the dlc you will be underpowered until you collect 30 muffins
why are they like this?

>>713274746
Well, the emptyness of the map is an indication that this is rushed/unfinished.
Even the few objects that you find are fucking laughable.
Like you find an object almost hidden in the corner of an area and it is just an herb or a smithing stone +2 or some shit like that, it is terrible.

>>713274675
>The video literally shows you
No it doesn't because they are not the same
Radahn doesn't end his crossslash by bringing the swords to his back, and swings horizontally rather than at a 45 degrees angle
They are nothing alike you brainrotted retard
All the attacks are completely different and quite literally amount to both doing some slashes

Radahn fight be like,
>B, r1, B-B, B, r1, r1
Oh no his ultimate
>Hold B, move
Elden beast is better cause he at least gives you rings to jump over.

>>713274746
>and makes part of its map a transition to 3 different quest areas
Transition areas like the river are not the issue. The fact THE ENTIRE FUCKING SOUTH is empty is the issue. Stop dickriding a developer who fucked up.

>>713275098
>THE ENTIRE FUCKING SOUTH is empty
Wrong, there's several spells, bosses, weapons, ashes and books in both Charo and Cerulean
It's clearly a place you are meant to traverse but you will find interesting stuff when you stop. No need to be an hyperbolic fag. The areas take the amount of time they are warranted

>>713274198
>Nonsense
In an interview Miyazaki did allude to it when he mentioned how they decided to make one large DLC instead of two smaller ones.
I recall dataminers also found evidence that two DLCs was the early plan but dropped when the base game came out. Not sure though.
It's all pretty consistent with past things. The Old Hunters was originally meant to be two DLCs but got merged into one, and Dark Souls 3's two DLCs formed a set.

>>713272749
>Used trickster dash? doesn't count
>Jump cancelled? doesn't count
>Royal guard parry? doesn't count
>Used guns? doesn't count
>Doppelganger after image? doesn't count
>Doppelganger 2P with your trained rat Virgil? doesn't count

>>713275001
>taking my time to explore the madness forest
>the only thing of value there are the madness pots that are completely useless in pve and pvp alike at this level
>they only exist for twinks who won't even bother actually getting into DLC and will just cheat them up
>>713275456
>Wrong, there's several spells, bosses, weapons, ashes and books in both Charo and Cerulean
Woooohoooooo, a third ghostflame dragon? Base game dragons? Base game mariner? Another furnace golem? Like 3 dogshit weapons with vanilla movesets and shit WA?
You are a fucking joke. Those areas are empty as shit.
Why did you post some random pvp webm, autismo?

>>713275041
>Radahn doesn't end his crossslash by bringing the swords to his back
It doesn't matter. He HAS the same cross slash. He HAS the same triple combo. It's literally the same attacks.

>>713233918 (OP)
Beat it and made peace with the fact that I'm no longer Froms audience.
Elden Ring and the DLC sold so fucking well but all the complaints I had with the game were the things everyone liked.
I'm not saying that to be contrarian either. I got the sense with Bloodborne that From might be going somewhere I didn't really like, but Bloodborne was still really fun so I didn't care. DS3 was similar, but with more of that ominous feeling that the road they were on wasn't great.
And Elden Ring removed all doubt. I got the DLC out of principle, because yeah unfortunately DLCs did tend to be where From games really shined. And I really didn't have as much fun as I hoped.

>>713275705
>Base game mariner?
What base game mariner summons revenants? That was funny as shit. Lamenter's Gaol is down there too with one of the more thoughtful bosses in the entire DLC. Putrescent Knight doesn't deserve to be written off either.

>>713275482
>In an interview Miyazaki did allude to it when he mentioned how they decided to make one large DLC instead of two smaller ones.
No, he said the idea was instantly to make one big Miquella dlc because Elden Ring is a game about scope and Shadow of the Erdtree should follow that design choice
>I recall dataminers also found evidence that two DLCs was the early plan but dropped when the base game came out.
No, that was Lance McNigger with his fake leak about 1 year before the DLC was even out, being the typical drama queen he is. Nothing ever hinted anything of the sort

Shadow of the Erdtree has near zero cut content. Data miners actually confirmed it has no actual content cut unless you believe From went through the efforts to strip clean the build of any evidence of DLC 2

>>713233918 (OP)
I wish this had actually been fake. Wokeness ruined elden ring.

DLC threads made me hate From and fromsloppers.
Feeble King eceleb was right about DLC and Nightreign.
Friendship ended with From.

>>713233918 (OP)

Godwyn would have been a retarded final boss and only slop lovers would defend it.

But Radahn also doesn't make any sense and is fucking stupid, I get that Miquella would want the ultimate strength so he can enforece his age of peace and no one would ever be able to disrupt it, much like how Marika needed Godrfey to enforce the golden order and lead her armies.

But what the fuck was the vow even about? Vows in Elden Ring are a big deal, breaking a vow made in the church of vows is a terrible sin, so then... Radahn made a vow with Miquella, and it was about him becoming his lord in exchange of something probably, but what?

In the base game, Malenia battling Radahn was a mystery, Radahn seemed to want to be Elden lord so that's why he was trying to attack Leyndell but did Malenia really go all the way to Caelid just to nip that in the bud? And the DLC reveals that Malenia whispered to Radahn about being Miquella's consort, even though she went there to kill him.

So then, the vow involved Miquella and Malenia knowing Radahn was gonna be dead and then Mohg would also die so they could perform a rite to get back Radahn's soul on Mohg's body? We know from the DLC that Mohg used to be honorable and reasonable before Miquella's charm, so that must mean Mohg only stole Miquella out of the Haligtree because Miquella charmed him, but why would he do that when his objective was to use the Haligtree to grow up and in turn have the Haligtree grow too? He failed on purpose just so Mohg would die years later killed by a random Tarnished he couldn't even predict? Why is Malenia hanging out beside Miquella's Haligtree area if she was privy to the plan of having Mohg die? Did Miquella even know about the rites of revivial before entering the shadow realm??? HOW THE FUCK DOES MOHG RAPE EVEN SEND MIQUELLA TO THE LAND OF SHADOW IN THE FIRST PLACE ANYWAY????


I understand why Radahn haters hate him now, this is fucking retarded

>>713276062
>What base game mariner summons revenants
The base game mariner who summons a base game enemy with a base game summoning animation?
Were you trying to own someone with this argument? Because you only owned yourself.

>>713276132
>Shadow of the Erdtree has near zero cut content
Of course. It critically lacked content, not the other way around.

>>713276227
There is no mariner in the base game that summons revenants. It's a new scenario, even if the enemies are not individually new, putting them in the same encounter together is.

>>713276328
>It's a new scenario
It's a shameless rehash of base game assets only a professional dick rider can defend.

>>713276295
>But the vistas ARE the reward!
I've played walking sims where this was literally true (and comfy) but I 100% think this is a cope argument from anons who have tried to make it with ER.
Which is to say I agree with your point. The DLC has way too much empty space, as did the base game.

>>713275705
>There's content but that doesn't count
Nigger

>>713276490
It's a joke, anon. It's funny because you have no reason not to think it's just another regular-ass mariner and it's about to summon up some shitty skeletons and then you get a revenant dumped on your ass instead. Get some humor instead of crying that the DLC with a shitton of unique high-effort bosses didn't have one more.

>Radahn
Reminder, this is real.

>>713276608
The weird thing is that they removed four NPC bosses from the emptiest maps in the DLC and put them inside mausoleums for some reason. With careful DS2 dlc tier npc scripting this could bring at least some life to those areas but alas.

>>713276000
>It's literally the same attacks.
No it's not, retard

>>713273609
>>713276196

This shit is what makes me see Elden Ring as the only from game with lore that goes nowhere. It just feels so unfinished and unsatisfying and nothing makes sense or feels earned properly.

Melina appears at the start and just went nowhere, why does Melina have Torrent anyway? The spirit bell and Torrent were both property of Marika's in the past and then passed on to Miquella, but Melina has torrent and Ranni had the spirit calling bell, who the fuck knows how.

Melina just goes nowhere and fucking dies, there's no connection to be had with her, her only motivation is "oh, this tarnished seems a reasonable Elden Lord so I'll kill myself to let him enter the tree", why the fuck is Torrent attracted to us and sees us as worthy anyway?

And Miquella too, he got so shilled before the DLC but then we go to the land of shadow and he has 3 voicelines at the end and then dies.
Thematically I like the story behind Miquella in the DLC, about the sacrifices needed for a world without conflict, and how it's basically impossible unless everyone was completely brainwashed or an unfeeling uncaring ghost of a person, Miquella's kindness seems genuine yet an utopia he envisions could never have independent citizens, only drones he controls.

However, lore-wise, everything about what he's doing and everything about what's happening in the DLC makes no fucking... sense? Messmer was Radahn's friend??? When the fuck did the crusade happen, Miquella just went and abandoned Malenia and left her to literally rot in the haligtree? Everything in the shadow realm being so disconnect and not affecting anything in the base game is also a complete miss, it feels like the lore is built around having bosses to kill that want to kill you and how you get excuses for that to happen now.

>>713276765
Oh excuse me if i want a unique content in the area that only has a mariner (base game enemy), a death rite bird (base game enemy) and two rehashed DLC enemies. Get some standards.

>>713276820
They better add/fix alot of shit in this DLC, this little update is our last chance to make it good.

>>713276896
No, it's the IQ filter working as intended

>>713276820
lmao true, int eh OG trailer the black knight as found through the game world but instead they put him in a mausoleum and felt the need to add a healthbar and music and a copy pasted arena to try andmistify it more even though it's retarded.

Didn't Melina use Marika's DLC incarnation in the base game? The 70FTH healing tree? Without a Order.

>>713234135
If you used a shield you didn't beat the game

>>713276896
>I didn't understand the game so it's bad
Melina is a death priestess called kindling maiden, capable of channeling death. You see those in statues in the Roundtable Hold raising Death Rites, and is literally a Velka but more blatant (even though retards like you still don't get it).
This is why she can manipulate the sprite of the player and send him to Farum Azula (the vessel that goes to sleep is actually empty of spirit)

I like how you need to jump over AOE trash in his second phase but his AOE trash doesn't look jumpable to any sane ER player. Peak DLC design.

>>713271303
There's a lot of good content in the DLC but also a lot of retardedness and copy paste, it's basically like the more of the OG game save for a few differences.

I recognize the DLC was pretty fun but when I played it I was in a part of my life that was quite ass, so I have less fond memories and more negative memories tied to it, the things that were dissapointing dissapointed me more and then things that were good I was not that impressed by.

>>713275705
>Why did you post some random pvp webm, autismo?
That weapon is found in Charo, nigger

>>713277118
Yea well thats because shes messmers brother, and both her and mesmer (gloam eyed queens children) were hidden from the rest of the world, Messmer in the shadowrealm, and Melina in the prison tower

>>713276917
Lamenter's Gaol is right there. Unique boss. Puzzley little guy. Interesting twist on the Fool's Idol concept. Funny transformation item for beating him.

>>713276132
>No, he said the idea was instantly to make one big Miquella dlc because Elden Ring is a game about scope and Shadow of the Erdtree should follow that design choice
You don't have much reading comprehension, do you?
>Shadow of the Erdtree has near zero cut content
Why do you lie? We know there's a bunch of stuff like
>Jori and fat inquisitor remembrance
>Midra's severed head item
>Some waxy axe thing
>A line where Messmer mentions that Miquella told him about the player
>Intro lines for Radahn and some lines for Rellana and Romina
I've also seen claims that very rough map data was found for an underground area which the Stone Coffin Fissure, itself designated as one internally, would have been part of.
Or does this all count as "near zero" to you?
Going by concept art there's also a bunch of stuff that was scrapped. The Scadutree chalice was depicted with sap actually hitting it, Metyr's finger ruin had a difference entrance instead of just a ladder coming down, the Suppressing Pillar had a different top that looked incompatible with the elevator, and the first art for the Gates of Divinity depicts a smaller area and unbroken stairs leading to it (when you compare Enir-Ilim's art with the rendition in-game it becomes even more clear that top area probably wasn't originally meant to be the final battleground).

>>713277371
are you the sun realm and Marika didn't become a god yet guy?

I'll ignore whatever weird made up shit you said and I'll just talk about what I was concerned about.
Explain Radahn and Miquella's shenanigans then lil bro, I want it to make sense too, but I don't see it, wish i saw it but I don't.

>>713277531
Woooow, a base game katana moveset with a gutted, static aquamarine dagger WA against level 40 shitters on seamless?
I kneel

>>713277602
Lamenter's Gaol is a separate dungeon and the only unique content in that entire place is an NPC boss with a shit reward.

>>713277641
Why are you asking the loreschizo his lore opinions? He pretty much exists in his own autismo universe that is uninterpretable to normal people, if you ask him to post evidence of his claims he'll post some entirely unrelated item description that nobody else on the planet can draw a connection from

>>713277536
They weren't just hidden. They are animated by shadow instead of the grace of gold, similar to the Scadutree robbed of gold. Messmer and Melina have shadow and not grace that being apparent from their eyes.
Ironeye in Nightreign has the same murky spectral eye as Melina and he lives in Death while Messmer has abyssal eyes and both cover them.

>>713233918 (OP)
>mfw a DLC masoleum dungeon
Yeah, it’s time for some old school labyrinth dungeon kino

>>713278004
They are too linear to feel like an old school dungeon crawler. I expected them to be way deeper in terms of layout but they are worse than base game's leyndell sewers.

>>713277631
WOAH they cut two lines and turned a shitty boss from a remembrance to a normal boss
Unbelievable, where's my refund hackzaki
Schizo retard, kill yourself

>>713277858

Well if I can get an exaplanation out of the question concerning whatever the fuck Miquella and Radahn's plan even was then I'd be happy, if the answer is reasonable I will think "oh so it makes more sense than I thought and ER's lore is just too esoteric but makes sense in the end", if the answer is the product of chronic schizophrenia then I will have another confirmation that it indeed makes no sense and Miyazaki got too lost in the sauce with this game, even if I still love it, I always had a feeling that Elden Ring lore was "off" and while the individual pieces of it are cool by themselves I never thought it came together well in the full picture.

Loreschizo bros...explain me connection between Ranni (cute virgin tsundere wife) and Melina.

>>713277631
where can I see the DLC's concept art? I'd love to have good quality pics of it and I want to see the examples you mean.

one fucking job

>>713279604
At least we have dragon NTR in DLC

>>713267817
>People don't fuck
Wow that's why there are no genders but only body type options. Masterful progressive writing

>mindcontrols everyone
>still lost

>>713279860
I rolled through his mindcontrol

>>713277641
>Explain Radahn and Miquella's shenanigans then lil bro, I want it to make sense too, but I don't see it, wish i saw it but I don't.
He'll make some claims about Aeonia all being part of a master keikaku involving the crucible with claims like
>The whole battle was "staged" and Malenia rot nuking the place was part of the plan (contradicts various points, mainly Millicent making it clear that it was an act of desperation to beat Radahn, and as well as Radahn clearly not caring about any vow with Miquella at that point since he tried to take Leyndell, embodies the old order, and clung to life for as long as he could)
>Malenia used lifesteal on everyone in Caelid (She doesn't have this power. Her Great Rune states her recovery power is from her own spirit of resistance, which explains why it works even on blocked hits)
>This was done to send Miquella to the shadow realm and give him the energy needed for ascending to godhood. (Contradicts Miquella only resolving to become a god and discarding the emotions holding him back after he went there, and relies on them already knowing all about Enir-Ilim and the gates despite Marika doing her damnest to conceal everything related to them--the presence of the secret rite scroll in the Specimen Storehouse further indicates Miquella didn't actually come up with his plan with Mohg's body and Radahn's soul until he was exploring there and did research)

>>713233918 (OP)
I've played every single souls game including all DLCs since Demon Souls, +Sekiro, and didn't solo Radahn.

I gave him like 5-10 tries and realized what a horrible unfun, unbalanced experience it was. I realized I had already seen cooler/more interesting/actually fairly challenging bosses earlier in the DLC.
So I just summoned, beat him, and haven't touched ER since. Dogshit DLC overall.

>>713233918 (OP)
yeah with sword and board

>>713277641
>are you the sun realm and Marika didn't become a god yet guy?
Yes
>Explain Radahn and Miquella's
In order for Miquella to start his ascetic journey and ascend to Godhood, he must receive the life power of those sacrificed by Malenia through the Scarlet Aeonia, a ritual sacrifice brought by the power of Rebirth.
In order for Radahn's soul to find itself in Helphen, in the Realm of Shadow, he must meet his death in battle, as said by Helphen's Steeple which depicts the Shadow Keep towers.

The Battle of Aeonia was staged for those purposes, and both Miquella and Radahn sacrificed their armies in rituals no different than Volcano Manor or Marika.

Radahn bears the emblems of Stormveil, an ancient multiculture warrior society directly tied with the Ancient Dynasties and that created the Sun Gate and Enir-Ilim, but fell with the Eclipse. The Fortified Manor still carries the banners and architecture seen in Stormveil

Miquella wishes for an Order which binds all souls and spirits. A world cleansed from shadow and wholly embraced by his Order. To understand this concept you would need to understand how grace can control or better say influence people. The guidance of Grace is akin to the hallucinations and control the Fingers induce through worm-like mimic fingers.

This is seen in the Roundtable Hold where people with grace are compelled to be pacific and not to attack anyone while those that don't have grace and operate in darkness can attack the tarnished (like the confessors, specifically picked among the graceless ones).

Another example is how Vyke frees himself of the Frenzyflame by specifically removing his eye, infested by writhing worms, or how Messmer soldiers, without grace, can't control their troops and resort to facsimile Irises of Grace and Occultation to simulate the effects of grace, highlighting how they compel or even manipulate people.

The game is against that, stating through Ansbach that the Lands Between needs a Lord, not a despot.

>>713280404
Holy fucking kino.

>>713280101
>Contradicts Miquella only resolving to become a god and discarding the emotions holding him back after he went there,
The brace of the Haligtree is literally a burial site, including having an Ulcerated Tree Spirit which is created wherever the graves of those bound to the Golden Crucible (not turned Scadutree) are.

Mini Ranni

>>713280404
This is bullshit but thanks for the free video script
t. Vaati

>>713278203
Im not the lorefaggot but from I personally gather, they are both one in the same. when melinas body was burned her spirit was as split into two. the melina we know who wishes to burn everything down and end the cycle as a whole and then theres ranni, the part which wishes to remain existing and beyond that, to create a reality of her own terms.

>>713280474
The "Fell God" who was felled by Marika is depicted like the Sun Saturn in alchemical receissance and medieval books.
Now we know that Marika has felled him not in a fight but by quite literally stealing the Grace of Gold from the Goddess through deception and causing the Seat of Sun to fade.
This is why the Scadutree Avatar is a sunflower and previously was the Golden Crucible. Ulcerated Tree Spirits raise from graves of those from this previous Order as consequence of the Golden Crusible being corrupted, which is why in the DLC they drop Thorn spells and why Stormveil and the soldiers insude are covered in thorns and have marred weapons (previously incorrectly thought to have been due to the seed of Godwyn's pustule)

>>713233918 (OP)
of course

Solo, no spirit ash. But of course you could probably tell that already.

>>713281178
>and previously was the Golden Crucible.
And the Scadutree previously was the Golden Crucible*

>>713280101
The problem with Fromsoftware making such extensive and detailed lore that originated from the writing of GRRM is, in my opinion, this:

-Miyazaki writes the lore of his games as if they were dark fairytales, and the worlds of Fromsoft's games reflect that, everything gives very specific vibes, the characters and the powers at work exist to embody concepts, to show a thematic throughline in the game. Their worlds are not populates by realistic people with realistic motivations, but rather with character who serve a specific purpose, represent something or standing by something.

Elden Ring's lore can't wrap together in fully rational and objective logical way, because Miyazaki doesn't care about having a soldi timescale, solid personal motives, solid systems that can be referred to, Miquella in the egg can send you to shadow realm because he just can, his plan with Radahn or whatever doesn't have to make physical sense or happen logically, they just made the game that way because it made sense thematically and whatever conflicts it creates when you think about it like a real world were not relevant to him when making the game.

Elden Ring's lore, with so many characters, so many godly divine forces, so many societies, old and new, it can never make logical sense, they just didn't plan well enough for that, they wanted the game to be about all these grand themes but we won't ever have a solid "oh here's what happened in the lands between and why it happened".

In older games the lore was built with this mind, Bloodborne, Sekiro, Dark Souls, there's nowhere near as many holes, though you can find some.

Elden Ring though is full of "wait hold but how does this makes sense" moments when you look deep enough, it feels brilliant when you can connect it to real life religioc and literature thematically, it feels retarded when you realize Miquella's plan makes no sense and the layout of the Haligtree is retarded and is like that just to be fun to play on.

for me? It's randomizer co-op

I'm literally George R. R. Martin and I have no idea what the guy in this thead is talking about. It's all wrong.

>>713281585
Lorebros...I don't understand

>>713281068
solo like an alter-ego like st. trina or radagon? no i don't think so - melina sacrifices herself at the endgame and is no more, but ranni still exists after that, unlike st. trina when you kill the dlc faggot

Beat him pre-nerf with these paired with the talismans that buff successive attacks. Took me a shit ton of tries but it was very satisfying

>>713281374
>Miquella in the egg can send you to shadow realm because he just can
Ansbach literally tells you why. The Cursed Blood and Mohg and his noble as well as every invader can teleport. Elden Ring lore is there for those that have the attention span and IQ to grasp it

>>713271423
>retard grinds and overlevels only to realize that levels don't mean shit
Many such cases.

>>713281585
Kek

>>713281374
Miquella uses Mohg's blood

>>713280665
>including having an Ulcerated Tree Spirit which is created wherever the graves of
Proof that you never played the game.

>>713237457
so true sister, I remember when in demon souls you'd give one hit to a boss that took 3 business days to attack and remove half of their health, we had it so good...

>>713281786
more like one becoming two entirely. once the body died the spirit split.
as where melina wandered the lands in between bodyless, ranni was reborn through the queen of the full moon.

>>713281853
where the fuck does Ansbach says red people can teleport however they please, cause I know that's true from PVP and invading but invading always felt to me like a gameplay contrivance since if it was legit real that red people exist it'd be fucking retarded.

>>713281374
>>713280404

I think both these posts sum it up, if you try to look at fromsoftware lore as real life history, as something that has to make sense physically and logically and has to come together like solving a mystery, you'll want to kill yourself, but they do put a lot of effort in the esoteric thematic references and shit, the way Elden Ring lore connects to christianity and many other cultures, Marika being essentially a corrupt version of Christ and Marika and Radagon are a corrupt version of the alchemical "perfect person", the theme of "for a god to ascend, for greatness to be achieved, the lives of many must be sacrificed", which is compelling because of real world paralels, because yeah, through time, people who have been "great" or have been leaders have only reached their postion because of the sacrifices of others and their roles is to continue leading the sacrifices of others lest their lose their power.

Meanwhile if you try to find an actual answer for why the fuck everyone is a zombie while there's normal people like Kenneth and Godrick's fanboy still existing as normal non tarnished humans you will want to kill yourself.

The thing I hate most about the loreschizo is his really obnoxious self created glossary he keeps using that nobody else understands

>>713282384
>ranni was reborn through the queen of the full moon.
No she wasn't? Holy shit have you played the game at all, this isn't even missable if you've done Ranni and Rogier's quest

>>713282217
I understand this game infinitely better than you.
There's only 2 places where Ulcerated Tree Spirits are
In Catacombs and mass graves
They have Scadutree thorns and drop Scadutree spells
The Exile soldiers, grow scadutree thorns due to Stormveil being main burial site for the Sun Realm.

>you lived long enough to see the todd howarding of fromsoft

feels bad man

>>713276739
Basic interactivity is not real gameplay. The open world boils down to steering Torrent on a two-dimensional axis and pressing a button whenever you pass over a glowing item marker. No defined objectives, no rules or conditions, no time pressure or obstacles, no penalties. It's not a game.

>muh enemies
You can ignore and walk around them, they're not required for anything. A (repeat) boss that drops 200k runes is twenty birds in Mogh's Palace that you cheese from the cliff grace, it literally doesn't matter even within the game's own context. The spells and weapons are minor variations of shit you can get elsewhere and probably already have duplicates of. SoTE's scadu fragments are shameless padding that tweak numbers but have no gameplay function. The open world fails to justify itself mechanically, it's an inconvenient level select menu designed to inflate playtime. And if you think this is a cynical way of looking at Elden Ring's design, you're genuinely a retarded shit-eater who might as well go "play" slot machines. Fromsoft was far more cynical when it made SoTE and dared to ask 40 dollars for it.

>>713282413
Literally everything in Miyazaki game is canon to a lore, every single time
>Yes, yes, I should have known. Even the truth was itself mere folly. As if using Lord Mohg to gain entrance to the land of shadow were not enough, he plans to use his corpse as the vessel of his king consort. He has forsaken Lord Mohg's soul. He desires only his empty shell. It beggars belief, but… I'm afraid Tender Miquella fails to grasp the humiliation implied by this act. One thing is certain. My dear lord deserved better.
The Bloody Fingers collected sacrifices for Miquella all along.

Miyazaki games have great lore and a complex narrative with a setting that reflects millennia of strata both geographically and lore wise. It's a bold choice to make the narration so fragmented and purposefully require connecting many dots, but you are correct that seeing it through the lend of irl history helps a lot because Miyazaki himself is massive history buff and puts a lot of it in the lore

>>713237663
You didn't mentioned the poison dragon from Dark Souls 2 and Manus from Dark Souls 1.

>>713282548
>There's only 2 places where Ulcerated Tree Spirits are
Did you even play the game, there's tree spirits outside of Leyndell, within Leyndell, in ashen Leyndell, in a sewer in Belurat, randomly in a river, in the lake of rot, and the Haligtree.

I'm starting to think you have never opened the game at all and just get everything from the wiki

>>713282863
>No defined objectives
That's exactly what makes it so good, retarded AssCreed pissbaby. It's there for people to find their loot and forge their own characters in a map with a deep and complex setting to explore.
It's akin to older open world games where instead of beelining through questgivers for laughable selfcontained islands of content you are setting up your own character story and progression.

>>713280665

How tf is the haligtree a massive burial site, I guess the ulcerates spirits is on a lake of rot where maybe you can put corpses, but crucible related people? At first I thought you were right about ulcerated tree spirits being only on mass grave sites but what's the crucible headcanon you're making anyway?

There are plenty of place in ER with massive amounts of dead people who aren't crucible related, and in Leyndell, home of the crucible haters, there's an ulcerate tree spirit near the small neighborhood full of burnt corpses.

To me it just seems like ulcerated tree spirits are just vengeful spirits of the dead that rise from the erdtrees, and they are a consequence of the shattering, since erdtree rebirth is no longer possible.

In fact, in mount Gelmir we can see the ulcerated tree spirit literally comes out of the burn mini erdtree, and the Gelmir battle has nothing to do with crucible fans at all.

>>713281889
>Don't level up
>Poke, dodge, dodge for 1 hour to beat boss
Lmao

>>713233918 (OP)
>still hasn't gone on sale
I'll wait

>>713282548
>There's only 2 places where Ulcerated Tree Spirits are
>In Catacombs and mass graves
Yeah you really didn't play the game. You just looked at the wiki page for the boss version of the enemy.

>>713282958
He's also said stuff like the face under Stormveil not being Godwyn "because there's no trace of deathblight", which shows he never even saw Rogier's bloodstain or condition.

>>713282874
the concept of Miquella gathering death by having the bloody fingers be tasked to kill people and be rewarded by Mohg in turn is very interesting but...

Ok so Mohg just has teleportation powers? He did come out of the fucked up Miquella egg using blood I guess.

Still, Miquella plotted all this shit and him embedding himself on the Haligtree was just... a ruse? He planned to get kidnapped and he didn't care about the haligtree failing? Haligtree was just a shitty excuse and the real plan to grow up and ascend was the lands of shadow? Radahn knew this? Malenia knew this?

Malenia seems depressed and driven almost mad by the fact her brother is gone, so it seems like Miquella getting kidnapped was not in the plan at all, did Miquella manipulate Mohg initially for the sake of growing the Haligtree and then it backfired because Mohg got too obsessed and wanted to make a dynasty with him? Why the fuck does Malenia attack us on sight anyway lmao I always thought that was retarded, we did nothing to her as far as I know.

Again, the themes are cool but the kinematics are very confusing

I generally enjoyed the DLC.
I wouldn't play it again even if my life depended on it.

>>713233918 (OP)
>It's officially been a year since release, have you beaten him yet, /v/?
I don't buy DLC.

>>713282958
>there's tree spirits outside of Leyndell, within Leyndell, in ashen Leyndell, in a sewer in Belurat, randomly in a river, in the lake of rot, and the Haligtree.
Yes, and they are all mass graves, every single one of them
Outside Leyndell, which was once a capital of the Sun Realm
Belurat, which was where the Sun Realm settled near the white tower of Enir-Ilim
Bodies dumped and that ended up at the bed of a river.
In the Hero's graves
Near a minor Erdtree which was seeded over graves
They are literally masses of corpses of the previous Order mended together

>>713283656
You are losing the best content of these games. The DLC is the best part of every single Souls game, and by a large margin.

>>713283085
>It's there for people to find their loot
Pre-open world design, finding loot meant having to make real progress past enemies, traps and hazards, bossfights into new areas and so on. The player EARNED power. Elden Ring rewards the player for doing nothing. Flask upgrades, the most critical and valuable open world loot, is completely free. Scarabs don't fight back. In a souls game the physik flask would've been a boss reward but in ER even half the physik tears are free pickups.

>for laughable selfcontained islands of content
That's what dungeons are in Elden Ring.

No GEQ = DLC was Shit.
Simple as.

>>713280395
based default knight man

>>713283554
Rogier gets Deathblight from touching the Cyst. The Cyst of Godwyn is taken from hsi face and planted both in Stormveil and in the DLC
>>713283440
Nope, every single place any kind of Ulcerated Tree Spirit is found is among common graves
Impaled bodies, wartorn areas, shallow ditches and catacombs. They are bodies mended together

>>713283564
Miquella nurtured his Unalloyed Ring of Light in the Haligtree, and that's the founding element of his Order. Something identical happens in Nightreign

Reminder that before the DLC came out there was not a single fanfiction or fanart in the entire whole internet shipping Miquella and Radahn in any way whatsoever. Not even fujos who ship everything under the sun and were going hard on so many other characters saw anything they could latch on between those two.
And niggas will still try to gaslight you in that they totally make sense and it was triple foreshadowed and was just 2deep4u.
lol
lmao even

>>713233918 (OP)
No by that point the gameplay loop of grinding a boss until I've rote memorized every single attack had gotten stale and I didn't care enough. Not to say I didnt like the DLC but I had climbed enough mountains by that point. PVP in Shadow Keep was actually the highlight, that zone was really fun despite ER PVP being a fucking mess.

>>713283774
>>713283989
Holy fucking schizo retardation. Stop ruining every lore thread you're in with your autism, have you ever stopped to think that maybe it's not logically sound to base your entire cosmological understanding of the setting on ONE (1) single item description about a realm that is only mentioned once and nowhere else?

For those unfamiliar this is the only mention of the sun realm in the entire game
>Much like the wear upon the shield, the Seat of the Sun is long faded away.

Keep posting, loreGOD.

What did ER do to earn its own loreschizo who spews his headcanons in each ER thread?

>>713234135
good shit

>>713284872
ER lore is so vague and schizo, that his gaslighting and headcanons sound legit.

>>713284478

Elden Ring has a bunch of obscure items descriptions showing concepts that are only talked about once and yet they're incredibly lore relevant for some reason, like the helphen only appearing in like... one or two item descriptions?

I'm not defending the loreschizo though, it's pretty retarded that Fromsoft bases their lore on having people read the descriptions for every fucking weapon and every fucking piece of pants in the lands between.

>>713265397
i personally believe that most of those people were part of a tranny discord raid attempting to forge a negative consensus because from games attract a rabid hatebase for some dumbass reason. i saw the webm and said to myself
>yup there's a fromsoft boss alright

>>713284872
It's all a tarnished archeologist fault. He was a magnet for mental illness for some reason.

>>713286262
Nah, Consort just legit looks cheap as fuck. I was convinced that it's a fan mod too purely because of how ugly his model and how cheap the lighting was. Even his movements were awkward unlike Gael's sick ass combos.

>>713286262
>this is the most sane nu-Fromdrone
Nigger be honest with yourself. All this is a raid?

>>713286262
It wasn't. The animation glitching as it turned to grab mimic tear was extremely convincing and the low fidelity of the recording was suspect as well. I'm not too proud to admit that I was fooled.

>tranny discord raid
tranny discord raid could be here he thought

>>713286495
Oh, hey, I can see my post in there. That was a /v/ thread though, not /erg/.

>>713286495
why not? you only need a dozen people dedicated enough to shit up a thread.
>>713286604
some people might have been fooled, but the hundreds of "OH NONONO" posts just reaked of the typical thread ruining esl schizos imo. the webm might have been low fidelity, but the fight looked exactly like what youd expect from eldenring

>>713286886
You're just delusional at this point. It looked shit and the leak really got linked to a modder so people ran with the fake narrative.

>>713286262
>>713286397
>>713286604

Idk how the Radahn leaks looked but when I played the DLC the bossfight seemed completely fine, the moveset of the first phase is really fun and the only bad attacks Radahn has are the undodgeable double slash that was fixed and also his signature "if I roar I damage you and attract you to me instantly" move which is complete bs, but other than that Radahn 2nd phase is really good.


Radahn 2nd phase though is complete bullshit, I don't blame anyone for thinking that's a mod, specially if the recording is low fidelity, the moves in that phase are completely retarded and border on parody and sometimes they're literally just a bastardization of boss design, the whole screen turns into a lightshow with holy damage exploding the hole arena, and the attack where Radahn goes into the sky and then flies at you and slashes you 5 times in half a second is Garden of Eyes mod tier retarded looking, not as unpolished, but still complete fagotry.

>>713286886
It was the first leak we had of a DLC more hyped than most of that years AAA releases. Of course the thread was full of reactions and autists getting contentious.

The DLC should've ended here and it would be a far more satisfying finale

>>713286262
>>yup there's a fromsoft boss alright
Anon the rune reward came in two parts in the leaked fight.

>>713286958
Yes, it was a very different experience playing the first than what was shown in the webm. The webm looked like pontiff sullivan's moveset grafted onto a radahn model half-assed to make sure they didnt need to model him walking or moving his feet while turning.
It was an enormous step down from amazing stuff like the Dancing Lion or Messmer prior in the DLC or the Leda fight's story culmination of the few choices you were able to make. It's not even that Radahn's a bad fight imo, it's that it just doesn't measure up to everything else the DLC had to offer. Gael blew everything else in the Ringed City out of the water, Friede, the same. I just expected more and I was disappointed with what I got.

>>713287306
>The webm looked like pontiff sullivan's moveset grafted onto a radahn model half-assed
And it was lmao, he literally has a chunk of pontiff moveset bolted to him

>>713287072
Agreed. Miquella sitting out of reach throwing rings of light down or casting other support magics and environmental hazards to support the remains of his army would have been fantastic

>>713287402
>Miquella sitting out of reach throwing rings of light down or casting other support magics and environmental hazards to support the remains of his army would have been fantastic
And after the fight, you walk up to him and to this
https://youtu.be/5Up7129nvnk?t=108

>>713287306
Midir shits on Bayle too. Bayle phase 2 looks spectacular but it dogshit fight. Midir is both good and spectacular.

>>713278350
You can find the artbook on sadpanda.
Here's the original gates art.

>>713287550
I don't think Bayle is bad, but his animations do look... Cheaper than Midir's?
I have no idea why. Is this the lighting's fault? Is the model itself of the lower quality?

>>713286945
when i see screencap "proofs" i begin to think schizos. i assert that it didnt seem organic

>>713287306

I just think Radahn is confusing lore-wise (I insist that Miquella and Radahn secret plan makes no sense, but Godwyn wouldn't be a better alternative, it'd be even more slop tier if they did that), and also him coming back and being a drone without personality who doesn't speak at all is so boring, like c'mon Messmer, Godfrey, Godrick, Morgott, think of all the characters that are memorable because they have an actual personality, and then they bring back Radahn as a sentient person and he just has a poker face and then dies.

As for the fight design, first phase is good, second phase is cancer and is everything that's wrong and unfun about Elden Ring enemies and bosses, it's designed around being an unintuitive as possible, it's designed for having a smany "gotche, bet you didn't think I could do this" moments, the entire arena explodes in white lights for the whole fight, I can't see shit clearly, the boss is on coke, he can fly at you in half a second and attack you from across the arena, he's got like 3 attacks that make everything around him into a damage zone so you have to run away for a full ass 5 seconds before being safe to return again, shit's just... tedious, it's not hard in a way that's fun, like Messmer or Midra or Gael or anything, he's VERY hard in a way that's VERY annoying and very bullshit, it's beatable, doable, you can learn the patterns and figure it out, but the way it's built... it'ss not fun to learn, it's not fun to fight, not to me, it's gotten too annoying, too flashy, compare Radahn to Orphan of Kos, to Gwyn or to soul of cinder, to Gael or to Manus.

You'll be surprised how slow those bosses are, how many openings they have that are plain to see, how small their AoEs are in comparison, on the other hand, Radahn second phase goes ALL out and is strong in all these fronts.

>>713287673
It's definitely the lighting and colors not working well with the lighting. Midir disguises a lot of stuff to look more polished but doesn't reach as far as Bayle tries to imo.

Recently finished Lies of P's dlc, and it was hilarious how much better the story, delivery and the final boss was in comparison.

>>713287879
>surprised how slow those bosses are, how many openings they have that are plain to see
I agree, that became super apparent on my second playthrough of the dlc with Radan to contrast the bosses with. There's so much stuff that's handled with proper positioning but once I got to Radahn it's out the window the moment Miquella hops on his shoulder.

>>713233918 (OP)
I was using great katana and I had to cheese this boss with respeccing into great shield. He just doesn't give you much of a chance to actually attack

>>713287550
>>713287673

Bayle has cool moves and looks cool but I don't blame anyone who sees his second phase and inmediately gets annoyed and groans at the sight of it.

Again, like I say in >>713287879
When the 2nd phase for Bayle starts and then he roars and the whole arena gets covered in lightning and fire and he shoots 10 thunderbolts from the sky and then lands with an explosion and shit and everything is going down... it just looks tiring, it looks like fromsoft is screaming at you to say "wooooow this looks so epic!!!!", they expect you to react like a fucking basedboi when seeing it because it has so many spary effects and it's so loud and so difficult!!!

Fromsoft is getting too flashy, I don't think Bayle is too difficult, but this new aesthetic of making everything explode when a boss reaches second phase is an eyesore to me.

>>713287764
I big reason Radahn reduxe was met with such skepticism and disdain is because it's a bad homage to the Twin Princes fight.

>>713288212
>"wooooow this looks so epic!!!!", they expect you to react like a fucking basedboi when seeing it because it has so many spary effects and it's so loud and so difficult!!!
Funnily enough, I felt the same about Monster Hunter Wilds, FF16 etc. It's just big budget scenes that belong in movies and not video games. They also make you stand there for 10 seconds while the boss flies around the map and zero interaction. Huge waste of time

>>713288212
it's the equivalent of a woman moaning super loud when 2 inches of dick enter her for half a second, no subtlety at all, too much showmanship to try and look good, it's not genuine and subtle at all, it's stupid.

>>713288212
>Fromsoft is getting too flashy
I'd argue that the issue is that bosses get too flashy but the combat has barely changed in the last 15 years
Make me feel like a fucking Artorias who can physically go toe to toe with these foes and do anime shit too, or go back to the more subdued aesthetics of the early entries and leave flashy stuff to other developers like team ninja.

>>713288280
If he'd brought Malenia back and tied in more Rot Goddess lore we'd all have been screaming kino at the top of our lungs and lighting our money on fire collectively in worship of miyazaki

>>713288390

I don't think Monster Hunter Wilds has that much of a problem with this, or at least not in the same way, the thing about Wilds is that it has too many forced cutscenes and story sections and the cutscenes try to make the monsters look as cool as possible but then you fight them and they're a joke and they die in 5 seconds so you feel this weird dissonance between what the game is trying to sell you and what playing the game is actually like

>>713288462
They could, and get this, make two games. One that's all action and one that's mainly adventure.

>>713288583
Nightreign's really improved on Elden Ring. I'm 100% certain that within 5 years FromSoft will have stolen MonHun's lunch with some spinoff series.

>>713234317
Kh is the easier game but tis supebosses are jacked up cause yozora is made to make players cry.
Said by the devs

>>713288462

I see where you're coming from but I think they could have made bosses for ER equally as difficult but without looking so... like that.

Think Sekiro, Sekiro bosses are built for wolf's moveset, they're amazing, fair, fun, and they also look reasonsable, the only boss who gets very anime is the final final boss of the game and even then it's fair and engaging and not nearly as annoying, or even annoying at all, for the most part when you see a move in Sekiro, you know what you're seeing, it looks reaonsable, you know how to react, you're engaged and doing something fun all the time, there's nothing even close to waterfowl dance that makes fights super fucking annoying.

>>713288646
I wish MonHun monsters were as hard as Nightreign bosses...

I am much more of a high risk high reward guy I don't like having to kill a super easy boss 5 times to farm it, I'd rather just have to kill a hard boss like two times.

>>713288838
Elden Ring tried to be too many games at once.

I don't understand Nipponese so I won't even try to get into Souls lore because Jap > Eng translations are always terrible and a single mistranslated item description can change entire lore backgrounds kek

>>713288838
>Sekiro's guardian ape fight
>camera zooms out so you can actually see what's going on on the screen
>Elden Ring
>???
>Elden Ring DLC
>???
What's the fuck wrong with them? MH solved this camera issue too in Wilds (oof) and MHrise.

>>713289202
it was a matter of quality vs quantity, makign so much content and so many bosses and enemies, can't have time to make sure they're all perfectly designed and balanced, they prolly had to accept some level of bullshit they were fine with, and they lowered their standards too much with Radahn 2nd phase they had no time to finish it and said "eh, players will find a way probably... they like hard, right?"

>>713289301
Fighting the first DLC boss (the long snake thing that jumps into the air) is so fucking retarded. The camera spazzes out so many times

>>713288838
>>713289202
stop lying to yourselves.
you would be pissing and shitting your skirts in uncontrollable seething rage no matter what Fromsoft did.
you nigger faggots hate fromsoft as every tranny coomer brained faggot in this place does for some unknown reason since there is absolutely zero reasoning to hate on fromsoft, zero.

I think another deeply disappointing thing about Consort is that we literally had a better version of this fight with Twin Princes. They had far cooler moveset, actually interacted with each other and the fight had a far better tone and atmosphere to it.

>>713233918 (OP)
Please 30% off for the Summer Sale, please please fucking please! It's a fucking DLC ffs!

>>713289509
>since there is absolutely zero reasoning to hate on fromsoft, zero.
Not after the fucking 40 bucks metal gear survive tier asset flip they released not a long time ago
And not after SOTE being half-empty

>>713288212
> "wooooow this looks so epic!!!!",
I wish tarnished had Godfrey moveset to counter all this flashiness.

>>713289509
there's many reasons to shit on Fromsoft, I still love their games, I love Elden Ring, but I gotta call out the bullshit I don't like when I see it, also, notice how I praise Sekiro when I compare it to the things about ER I don't like nigga, clearly I know they have talent and I expect better out of them.

You're a blind fanboy if you think Fromsoft doesn't make some retarded design decisions on their games, Elden Ring is a big game, so it has many virtues but also many misses, the good parts make up for the bad by a long shot but the bad can still be quite grating, specially depending on your personal tastes.

>>713289270
Remember when they just redacted Meli from that item's description? lmao

No. I can do phase 1 just fine, I can't beat him in phase 2. Granted I took a very long break from souls games and stopped at Leda's fight until recently coming back. At some point I'll probably do another play through sometimes in the future.

>>713289820
Yeah, if you go all in on a high fantasy, make player character a fucking Heracles too.

>>713234135
Still funny how soulsfags called this a garbage mod when it leaked but then did a 180 after it released.

>>713290057
>I can do phase 1 just fine, I can't beat him in phase 2
That's pretty normal. It took me several days before I could break through phase 2. My brother meanwhile brought in a greatshield and poked him to death after a few tries because in his words "fuck the developers for making this."

>>713290101
Nightreign characters feel so satisfying because of this, playing Wylder or Recluse feels more leveled than being a normal ass knight in Elden Ring , or a normal ass wizard, whilst neightreign characters are more specialized and fleshed out since they're instance characters, no amount of heavy armor and poise items can make you feel like Raider does in Nightreign.

>>713284478
How of curiosity I checked the JP description and it only ever calls it a city, no realm or seat.
It also states that it no longer exists anywhere, not that it's just faded away.

>>713289270
Well english dub is native to souls games so I guess their translators are better

>>713233918 (OP)
>reddit ring
zanzibart... forgive me...

>>713270475
>There is something off about ER's boss design. Like what you character can do is not suited to handle what the bosses are doing.
I think it's weird that the demigods are consistently put on the same level as basic regular bosses. But I guess that was also a problem with DS3. In DeS-DS1, the major lore bosses were basically endgame bosses. In DS2 they were posers with the great souls, but anything associated with Vendrick and the Crowns were late game.

>>713272749
>Fundamentally misunderstanding the argument

>>713284478
he is correct though
recently even main lore channels picked up on the Sun Realm

>>713290472
>Le nippon
Miyazaki stated he writes these games in English and provides words by words NPC dialogue to fit the nuances of the lore

>>713285458
Helphen is clearly Shadow Keep
Steeple is the term for those church towers that are in Shadow Keep with the same shape and color as the weapon itself, and also have Tibia Mariner boats

>>713291809
It's all leftover from the cut Godwyn storyline.

>>713284478
Messmer Soldiers literally use the depiction of the sun which haunts the Hornsent, sun the Dung Eater has

>>713291942
No it isn't, It's clearly tied to Radahn
Only those who died in battle are lead there

>>713288212
skill issue
>>713288462
skill issue

>>713292140
That makes no sense in the boarder context of the shadow lands. Sorry.

>>713291640
No he does not which is why we have to deal with crap like the Miko Village/Shaman Village disparity.

>>713270993
People who say this can never actually show this being the case without outing themselves on all the openings they missed.

>>713292262
It does though. The Tibia Mariners called the souls of warriors and let them to drift to Helphen. The game literally states that Death drifted to the Realm of Shadow before it was the Realm of Shadow. Helphen acted as grace for warriors

>>713292348
dunno what you are talking about
he does
the japenese version is quite literally less explicative in most cases