Thread 713245313

We cannot be so creatively bankrupt, right?

Oh sweet another demoralization thread

>>713245349
even thoughbeit it is a trvke thread

>>713245362
ha ha the west has fallen fellow doomer

>>713245362
truth is irrelevant unless it serves a useful purpose

>>713245313 (OP)
It's very simple, anon - existing IPs are less risky than making new ones.

>>713245313 (OP)
Doomscrolling thread trying to make you depressed.
Please ignore and post random /an/imals instead.

>>713245417
toxotranny begone

>>713245313 (OP)
i jerk off to fingernails, creativity is not dead yet

>>713245349
>>713245362
>>713245379
>>713245417
Yeah, my dudes. Just run away from problems.

It has nothing to do with creativity retard
Budgets have ballooned, investors like safe choices, remakes are safe
And when budget isn't an issue you faggots never buy it anyways, look at capcom with path of the goddess which I bet none of you even remember came out

Many of the movies considered masterpieces from the 70s 80s 90s are remakes of classics from an earlier era, this is normal, we iterate through similar things many times and a few gems pop out occasionally.

>>713245313 (OP)
it's because people with creativity are held down and gatekept by the corpo drones that value efficiency and output over creativity

>>713245313 (OP)
old games were inspired by real life experiences
new games were inspired by old games

>>713245313 (OP)
New entertainment is just so shit people don't want to watch it. This has happened because entertainment makes the people watching it stupider than the people who created it.

What's up with people putting these fake deep quotes over games?

>>713245313 (OP)
unironically true
people want what they already know or what they're already comfortable with
that's why remakes sell millions every time and every game uses the same slop mechanics like parrying and rolling

>>713245486
Exactly
money money money
It's all about the money

Trust me bros, we're all gonna make it.

>>713245486
Uh no sweaty it's because we are a doomed generation it is le heckin over

>>713245486
kunitsu-gami was great but retards will still complain trying to find an excuse
>uh crapcom
>uh tower defense

>dude we're like...amusing ourselves to death bro...
>if you do anything other than work and sleep then you're simply a zombie slave sheep
>engaging with art (except my book of course please buy and read my book it doesn't count) is futile

>show old game to younger person
>OMG THE CLUNKINESS
>wonder why there's remakes

>>713245313 (OP)
>glowies ITT trying to fight doomer sentiment
draft and deployment to iran soon?

The one that really makes me so fucking mad is when people say the Abes Oddysee remake is good
Not only is the art, tone and gameplay fucking horrible, it's actively worse, but people say the original is LE CLUNKY with zero explanation
Abe controls on a grid system and single button presses can be combined, held and released to perform complex maneuvers

>>713245626
>show old game to younger person
You've lost me there I have no idea why I'd do something that retarded to begin with

The industry should be remaking bad forgotten games instead of good popular games.

>>713245497
scarface is literally remake slop and yet it's still remembered to this day
the same old shit happening over and over again and the same tired discussion
fuck this gay earth

>>713245313 (OP)
It's not a creativity or nostalgia issue. The series has an established identity and people have grown attached to it. Since X, Square thought they could violate this golden rule and the franchise has been paying the price ever since. When people ask for remakes they are indirectly asking Square to drop the action combat bullshit and get back to doing turn-based again. What they didn't expect was Mr. KH reading it as him being given greenlight for more action combat and KH story telling. It also doesn't help that FF7 suffers from compilation cancer.

>>713245653
>The jews are demoralizing us!
>Modern culture is meant to break you down
>Wait actually nevermind it's the opposite now

>>713245313 (OP)
not everyone but medias absolutely are for multiple reasons, first is they keep hiring people with nepotism rather than hiring with their experience or skills then there's the issue with money.
new franchises cost more money than older franchises simply because you need to spend more in marketing to get people aware of it and on top of that there's a greater risk that people won't buy it, older franchise require less marketing and even if it turn out shit people would still buy it just because of the name itself.

newest franchises put a company at greater risks than remakes and since everyone is running after money these days you'll have more companies doing remakes rather than making new games

>>713245708
Same thing happened with MH World yet you retarded faggots ate it up and now we've got World Rise and Wilds, absolute garbage

>>713245313 (OP)
Thankfully the indie games will save us.
Right?

>>713245729
>>Wait actually nevermind it's the opposite now
it's the opposite now that israel wants more good goys defending it thoughbeit

The directors didn't make games they would play themselves, they made games they hoped others would play.

I cannot trust a company that wouldn't want to play their own dogshit game, because they know it's dogshit.

>>713245915
this
reminder that miyazaki doesn't play fomslop games

>>713245806
E33 certainly did.

>>713246013
>derivative ue5 slop
yawn

>>713245845
It's the opposite now because your ideology is inconsistent nonsense

>>713245957
I wouldn't call Elden Ring a goty game, it feels more like a rough draft with no revisions. It's fun sometimes, but it's got this weird open world and dungeon split that doesn't exactly compliment each other.

>>713245313 (OP)
Everything is too expensive to take risks now, it's all too complicated and long term to experiment.
They also fired all the people who were originally involved except for the inexplicable retards like nomura and kitase who seem to be allowed to oversee flop after flop.
Mostly it's yet another case of "the boomers never retire" and they keep making the decisions while they run everything into the ground.

Just watch marvel movies, buy the next COD, and consume thicc and you vill be happy

>>713245313 (OP)
>We cannot be so creatively bankrupt, right?
Yes and no. Yes in the sense that too many developers focus on creating open world sloppa that we yearn for a time of games that are now in short supply.

this is the worst time in human history to be alive.
>but-
yes, even worse than that.

>>713245313 (OP)
Remakes are as prevalent as they are because video games have become astronomically more expansive to develop. The only way to "just" break even is by being the best seller of the year. That makes the decision making money people at the top incredibly risk averse and hedge all of their bets on something that's already tried and true.

take the marxpill and go from doomer to bloomer

>>713245805
Problem is it's not that simple. People who like other games are not a united front, and neither are new players who are trying it out for the first time. Not to mention old players ARE being replaced by new ones. "Vote with your wallet" becomes meaningless when you're outnumbered by multiple orders of magnitude.

>>713245313 (OP)
I rolled my eyes so hard I nearly fell off my chair.

>>713245470
>everyone is a blackpilled doomer just like me!

>>713245313 (OP)
crazy how people will read posts like this in 2035 and go "they were discussing vidya during WW3 haha"

>>713246220
People have been saying the world is about to end since the collapse of the Roman empire.

But creative games that aren't your usual popular game in a franchise still top steam charts. Look at the recent game PEAK. It peaked at 51k players based off a simple premise.

>>713246250
No real human being buys chink games. They're buying their own slop.

>>713245805
Wouldn't know anything about that mate. I only played MH once via a PSP emulator and got filtered by a stunlocking bee in a tutorial. I recognized that the game series isn't for me and I haven't touched it ever since. I still refuse to touch it even if Capcom nerfed the game down to my level. Why? Because it feels wrong. Why should locals lose what is familiar to them just to appease a passer-by tourist like myself? If they turned their backs on their long term fans so easily then they will just as easily turn their back on me in the future.

>>713245313 (OP)
Explain in 5 words why you deserve to be happy

>>713246402
because the idea of creators is to always bring in fresh blood. old players will eventually diminish and with them so will the series. is that preferable to watering it down? maybe. but video games are still a business.

Oh fuck off with that shit, "people" including you don't care about creativity, all you want is the same exact milquetoast, unambitious trash you proclaim to hate, remakes exist purely to keep pumping new blood into long running franchises and have been a thing for decades by now.
Actually creative and experimental games do not sell and this place is THE place that loves to shit on anything that isn't normalfag approved and glorify dumbed down remakes as well, look at all the shilling for derivative, poorly made dumpster fires like E33, look at the ridiculous glazing of yesteryear dumpster fires like Chrono Trigger or your average millenial approved Final Fantasy, look at all the glazing that Larian or Owlcat's low effort trash gets in this place.
All you do is fucking whine about everything but at the end of the day you're the sheep who feeds the industry's recursive circlejerk, you're the ones who enable the things you supposedly hate, you're the ones who pogface at anything that looks vaguely AAA but recoil and squirm at everything else.

>>713246775
Interesting hypothesis, post your most played steam games

>>713245313 (OP)
Another retarded old fuck who has been ruining games for the last 20 years is miyamoto. Can't wait till his old ass is dead.

>>713246307
And what happened after the fall of the Roman empire exactly?

They were right.

>>713246775
this
/v/ has daily threads about how good goyslop is because of sales and playercount
there's literally one right now >>713207774

>>713246775
Maybe you just don't like RPGs?

>>713246775
>look at all the shilling for derivative, poorly made dumpster fires like E33
>derivative
I don't think you know what that word means, because if you did, you would have said knockoff instead (but a knockoff of what exactly).

A derivative is a representation of something. So basically a receipt of a video game is a derivative of that game. If E33 is the receipt, what does that E33 receipt represent?

>>713247205
I'd knock her off if you sniff my drift

>>713247205
lmao look at this pedantic retard

>>713247158
I have put thousands of hours in RPGs in nearly 40 years of my life
>>713247205
Open a dictionary before you make another post, retard, you don't know what derivative means.
Also, it's RECIPE, a RECEIPT is what you can't afford paying, like the english dictionary you so desperately need.

>>713247037
Those threads are so weird, shouldn't then Fortnite, cod Roblox etc be praised then? Yet mods even ban those threads so what's the point?

Since everyone already knows why we're in the remake land, post cool new games instead.
Been playing this thing called Vietnam War, already sunk 15 hours into it. So far it's janky as all shit in Heaven, but I keep returning to it. Not many games where a B52 bombardment feels like the end of the world happening nearby.

>>713246775
>We want jrpgs
>Western RPGs sell more now
>Schizos talk more about that ff14 boomer over all those jrpgs

>>713245313 (OP)
Haha, so right. Upvoted. This is the only time in human history that people have idealized the past and there weren't entire social and artistic movements dedicated to exactly that.

>>713245313 (OP)
Who is this ''we'' you are speaking of?

>>713247352
>Open a dictionary before you make another post, retard, you don't know what derivative means
See image

>Also, it's RECIPE, a RECEIPT is what you can't afford paying, like the english dictionary you so desperately need

Recipe is a record of ingredients for something like food or drink, dumbass. And it is spelt 'receipt' because of the saying "I before the E, except after C".

>>713246275
How can you solve a problem without acknowledging it exists first?

>>713246250
LMAO

>>713247613
>Doesn't even understand the difference between substantives and adjectives
Oh wait, I forgot it's summer so kids like you are allowed to shit up this place even more than you usually do

>>713247807
Why don't you tell me what M33 is a derivative of then?

>>713247859
Trash like Lost Odyssey, Legend of Dragoon or Final Fantasy

>>713247613
all i can read is jew jew jew or jew

>>713247925
Why didn't you just use knockoff instead?

WOW SO DEEP AND PROFOUND

>>713245497
Originals still dominated the box office in the 70s, 80s and 90s. All of last years top grossing movies were entirely sequels or remakes. Iteration is normal but never has nostalgia been so dominating in popular culture.

>>713245402
They seem to be becoming more risky as everyone gets fed up with them.

>>713249268
>meanwhile lilo & stitch makes 869 mil at the box office on a budget of 100 mil
for every person who is tired of remake slop that leaves 5 more people take their place
it's the cod and pokemon strat, a rotating door of pissed off people and newfags ready to slurp up whatever they put out

Any comfy games like FF7? For some reason never really got into any other Final Fantasies, IX is the other one I've played longest but it loses me on the second half.
They don't have to be RPGs, just the atmosphere or the characters

>>713248956
God you're insufferable, because a knockoff is something that mimics a very specific thing, whereas something that is derivative isn't necessarily focused on one specific thing but a shared set of common traits or qualities that can be traced to many other things.
e.g. Unicorn Overlord is a knockoff of Ogre Battle, it is specifically based on Ogre Battle much like something like Dragon's Crown is specifically based on Shadow over Mystara, but something like E33 isn't a knockoff of any of those particular games, it has elements from all of those, largely because none of those games are particularly unique either, they're run of the mill moviegames with focus on QTE gimmicks, hence it is DERIVATIVE in the same way something like your bi-yearly Asscreed is derivative, it's something based on things that have been around for decades and tons of people already did.

>>713247990
The final black pill is that the jews are right about goyim

>>713249607
>bi-yearly Asscreed is derivative
bi-yearly Asscreed is iterative*

>>713249092
>Originals still dominated the box office in the 70s, 80s and 90s.
All derivative slop that can be traced back to stealing ideas from Shakespeare and Homer. Not a single original thought.

>>713247625
How do I solve you being a loser?

>>713245313 (OP)
But enough about shonen protagonist killing god or fate... oh wait...

>>713249763
No, it's not iterative because Asscreed lost its identity ages ago and is now aping a ton of other games, it's no longer iterating on anything, are you a fucking bot?

>>713245313 (OP)
ff7 flop

>>713249885
Anon here who started this debate over the meaning of derivative. We're both right and wrong at the same time.

>>713245674
Some of us have kids and nephews anon.

>>713249823
Everything is a remix to some extent. Nothing new under the sun and all. But its reductive to say that just because there's never anything truly completely 100% new that the current wave of nostalgia overwhelming cultural production isn't indictative of anything.

>>713245313 (OP)
Sure, you could blame lack of creativity from nostalgiafagging, but
>Remake obsession
It's just easy marketing

>>713245313 (OP)
yes we can, it is but another symptom of our decadent system.
no way back

>>713245313 (OP)
there are unironically tons of good games out there and being made. i'm already eagerly following at least two games. one problem with /v/ is that most people only play literal slop and then complain about slop. the other problem is that the games don't really matter anyway. they are an excuse to talk about off topic stuff and complaining in itself is fun. i'm addicted to schadenfreude

>>713245395
Truth is an ontological good in and of itself, anon.

>>713245349
kys tranny

>>713245402
They really aren't. The use of existing IPs is not because of risk, it is because of "guaranteed" sales and growth from the existing audience and and good word of mouth. And it is more about the growth than it is the guaranteed sales. If it was true risk aversion they wouldn't allow as many changes to remakes and sequels as they do, for fear of alienation. That requires long term thinking and investment, which is not what they are in for.

>>713245349
Yeah, the absolute STATE of modern vidya is pretty fucking demoralizing.

>>713253249
>Yeah, the absolute STATE of modern vidya, software, music, cinema, motor, building, design... is pretty fucking demoralizing.
ftfy

>>713245805
That's slippery slope nonsense. I liked World and have no plans to buy the other two games. I don't find Rise interesting because of the over the top movesets, and Wilds looks so ugly and felt infinitely more diluted from the beta alone that I was immediately put off by it.

>>713245313 (OP)
Gacha and cooming games still make money without nostalgia. We don't need Tifa anymore

>>713245313 (OP)
It's true tho, the best shooter on Playstation right now is Call of Prypiat

>>713253854
Its more like
>the west has fallen
>this game needs a remake

>>713246775
E33 really broke you western devs, didn't it. Elden Ring all over again.

>>713253854
This but unironically. Learn how to make new shit.

>>713245512
now that's the truthnuke. creative people will always exist but it's safer to invest in already done things

>>713250476
And yet iran has all but folded, Russia has left them in the lurch, China told them to fuck off years ago, their allies/proxies in the region are either dead or diminished, and their AD has either been obliterated or never worked at all.

>>713245313 (OP)
the best games were all made by a generation that grew up in fear of the world being destroyed by nuclear weapons

>>713245313 (OP)
this is "I'm a philosopher" reddit-tier bullshit
it's really just that modern games are 90% trash and this is an easy way to make money

>>713253064
>The use of existing IPs is not because of risk, it is because of "guaranteed" sales and growth from the existing audience and and good word of mouth. And it is more about the growth than it is the guaranteed sales.
all of this translates to more sales. you're just using different words to describe the same thing.

>If it was true risk aversion they wouldn't allow as many changes to remakes and sequels as they do, for fear of alienation.
that's not about embracing risk, it's recalibrating risk for the current audience. why did capcom fundamentally change the gameplay of RE2 and 3 for the remakes? because zoomers don't play tank controls and capcom knows that. changing the gameplay was a smaller risk than releasing a tank control game in 2019. the changes they make are done for this purpose, to keep up with audience preferences because those don't remain static. and from a sales standpoint, capcom was clearly right to do so. an example of changing a sequel is how fromsoft turned souls into elden ring. casual open world slop was a complete betrayal of their old fanbase but guess what, the reddit audience was worth more and they knew that going into ER's design. it might seem innovative from the outside but they're actually just following trends set by the audience.
the only snafu is that nobody has perfect information. designers don't always understand the audience as well as they think they do. nor do the people in charge of the budget decisions understand design. all they can do when one guy fails is to push him aside and put someone else in the designer's seat, each time making what they think is the safest bet. changing things doesn't mean that they like risk. it just means that they think change is less risky than staying the same.

>>713254742
Why WHY are most modern games trash?

>>713254598
the 90s? fear of nuclear war had pretty much eroded by the time the soviet union collapsed

>>713245362
>thoughbeit
Why do I keep seeing people using this word so much since the site was hacked?

>>713245313 (OP)
My nigger, the difference between old devs and new devs is the utter lack of life experience of the latter.

Old devs have had lives and learned by doing. New devs have no lives and learn by wasting +10yrs of their lives in "academia", memorizing tools and regurgitating whatever formulaic garbage is FOTM at the time.

Imagination is a skill.

>>713245313 (OP)
I remember when sequels used to get shit on and devs and marketers had to try much harder to justify why they existed besides just money. There's not only no pushback now, current gamers eagerly lap up lazy remasters and remakes that remove features or fuck up simple things like color palette. Why try harder when your customers are easily amused?

>muh demoralization
>muh doomer
just a casual reminder that all these faggots bought Silent Hill 2 Remake or Oblivion Remastered for $70

>>713245313 (OP)
>We cannot be so creatively bankrupt, right?
We're not. But creatives are stuck trying to get a job so they can buy an apartment. Too many creatives don't have time to dedicate years of their life to a dream.

>>713255464
It's like a self-sustaining cycle of nostalgia. You have top-down repetition made by devs who need to appease investors and mitigate risk, and then you have customers who happily consume old IPs because nostalgia is a emotional reaction to uncertain times. The resulting sales from these remakes/sequels/remasters then shows studios that this where the demand is at, so they keep on doing it.

>>713254024
Nah, it's definitely the other way around.

>>713245470
>implying doomers confront problems in any meaningful way
lmao

>>713254412
>n-n-no, I didn't mean THAT war....i-it's some other, FUTURE war you braindead jew golem....f-f-fuck you...

>>713245541
dude i dont mean to sound like a redditor but I have been fucking laughing at this webm for like 10 minutes straight now cause of the fucking way he walks away it breaks me every time lmfao

Anyone who hates on FF7 remake is just jaded fag eho doesnt actually enjoy video games

>>713250476
>in the coming months
oh my, why would anyone crop the timestamp out

here's a real """blackpill""" to all /pol/fags, and one used by an actually established leftie agitator, and not the shadowy elder of zion
>Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have
for as long as you insist that the big jew controls LITERALLY EVERYTHING, and every action ultimately benefits israel, you will not be able to do or say anything out of sheer analysis paralysis
consider what actually benefits (you) and your in-group, before what benefits jews, and you'll find a path to victory regardless of whether israel gets nuked or not

>>713245313 (OP)
It's just that new games are very expensive to make and thus risky while remakes are a safe bet + ideological capture of the industry be DEI/woke/antifascism (you can't create anything genuinely new and interesting if it's all built on lies and fear)

>>713256689
I just don't like it because it feels really weeby. It's stupid because final fantasy was always weeby, but the remake just feels especially weeby. Like, the way the characters look and act are so much more weeby than they came off as in the original. And I hate the way they all look and shit.
Plus the design of the game is kind of dumb how they stretch the story out and add a bunch of backstory to people you don't care about and then made Jessie a super huge cahracter for no reason except to kill her off and try to make you feel something akin to a mini-aerith in the original FF7.
Also, all the dumbass corridors and extra areas they added to pad out the game

I could ramble about it for hours, but man I just don't like the game

No, it's because the cost of producing, developing and bringing fucking anything to market has ballooned an absurd degree due to various middleman services that the only thing that can get made is stuff they already know will succeed.

>>713256741
/pol/fags are like communists. Communists constantly claim that capitalism will implode any day now and the workers of the world will strangle their masters.
Meanwhile, /pol/fags claim some shadowy war will happen any day now and the few remaining white, straight, heterosexual, non-christian (or christian, depending on who says it) men will die in it.
The trick is to claim what you claim every single day. If it happens, it means you're right. If it doesn't, it means it WILL happen.

>>713257016
>shadowy war will happen any day now
Missiles are literally obliterating Tel Aviv as I type this and your politicians are feeding lobster to USS Nimitz crew (sacrifice food).

>>713245486
I tried kunitsugami on gamepass. They put the fucking Dodge on the R3 button. Retarded.

>>713257104
>Missiles are literally obliterating Tel Aviv
you tried that angle in that previous thread you were in. it didn't work then and it won't work now, /pol/fag.

>>713256741
>In the coming months the system will 'start' backing down on a 'few' woke issues

Answer me this anon. Why can't people like you read properly?

>>713254910
it's been used longer than that thoughever

>>713249092
That’s because movies back then had low budgets and high returns.
Raiders of the Lost Arc: $20 million budget. $400 million box office. Billions in home media sales and syndication.
And the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s were full of success stories like this. Even if Raiders flopped, the studio could just try again and again with different movies until they got a hit. The successes more than made up for the failures. Now if a studio spends $300,000,000 on a movie and it underperforms, they go into panic mode.

>>713257339
he said as he intentionally omitted the "upcoming war" part

>>713257339
>in 2 more weeks
>some things may shift in some way
hear you loud and clear, my dude, shame you have literally no point except some vague masturbatory "pol was right again" sentiment
i suppose that time when israel turned a bunch of lefty anarchist types against itself because the "ivory devils dominating poor innocent browns" narrative backfired could be considered a "backdown" in a way
like if "the system" culled some "diversity mutts" or some contrived nonsense

>>713255750
>because nostalgia
is it really be nostalgia when remakes generally sell more, sometimes two or three times more than the real ones?

>>713245625
That's just about as deep as
>life is a disease that always ends in death

>>713246775
nah compare any retro console launch with the switch today. these two demographics are fundamentally at odds with one another

>>713257872
That's an awful lot of words explaining that you're full of shit.

>>713258271
but he isn't a /pol/fag

>>713245313 (OP)
>takes 40 years and 800 gorillian dollars to slop some shit out
>can sift through the back catalogue fucking up their previous works for a fraction of the cost while charging double the price of the original release
The absolute state

>>713245729
>we have conquered our enemies, it's time to slop the goyim to keep them down!
>oh shit, we need to get the goyim off the slop and war-ready, we still have enemies after all!
It's not rocket science.

>>713245313 (OP)
pika pika

>>713258532
>the jews are weak, feeble and on the brink of total destruction
>actually no the jews are all powerful and control every aspect of society

>>713245313 (OP)
Look at what comes out these days
>New games are slop designed to siphon away all of your money post-purchase
>If it's based on a legacy IP it's made by people who have fuck all to do with the series in the past who only want to "subvert" what's been established in order to push their own OC donut that takes over
>If it's a completely new IP it's either derivative of another existing IP or is so far up its own ass with pretentious bullshit that it's not worth bothering with at all
It's no wonder nostalgia has been in full swing since the mid 10's

>>713245313 (OP)
Do you spend all YOUR time playing OTHER people's creativity products?
Given the thousands of years of art, you must have a lot of free time!

>>713245349
>the seething bot replies just proves him right