when did pokemon lose its soul? I think it started with gen IV, despite platinum being a great game.

>>713245829 (OP)
either gen 6, gen 8, or whenever you stopped enjoying the games

>>713245829 (OP)
>still talking about pokemon to this day
please grow the fuck up already

>>713245829 (OP)
Gen 7, literally felt like games made by a fucking AI algorithm.

>>713245829 (OP)
>>713245878
>>713245931
>>713245981
>>>/vp/

>>713246071
YWNBAJ

right when they course corrected from gen 2 to 3 and went back to the standard rpg formula rather than build on immersive world building with he real world clock and so on

gens 3-5 are still good, you can say gen 6 is where the real soul drop happened, but the obsession with adding battle mechanics rather than building the world that came with gen 3 is where I draw the line personally

Gen 3 is when it lost its soul, although as you say Emerald and Platinum are very good. I think 5 and onwards is when it really starts to deteriorate.

>>713246125
Didn't Gen 3 invent berry farming and secret bases and shit? Or did Gen 2 already do that

Gen 3 when it decided cutting features and pokemon was the way to go forward.

>>713246456
gen 2 did, though it was your room instead

>>713245829 (OP)
Gained soul with gen 3, lost with gen 6, and regained with gen 9.

>>713246486
gen 3 has all the Pokemon in it, just like gen 2

Gen 5. Awful designs, awful region, a whiny faggot is the main antagonist, gimmick shit battles, went back to gay colour naming system instead of cool gemstone naming system.

>>713245829 (OP)
when romhacks released during the same period became 200x better than the official games being released, so probably gen 6 or 7

>>713245829 (OP)
shortly after gen 1, basically before gen 2, which was peak of the soulless
there was so much fumbling over the sudden success of pokemon, there was all the weird spinoff shit like pinball and those other shovelware things, and they were selling but not doing great, then someone had the idea "what if we strike while the iron is hot and release this uninspired half baked 'sequel' which contains extra mechandisey cutesy designs for the pokemon being added" and so gen 2 got slopped out

>>713246486
This is the correct answer.
They intended to do a full dex reset but ran out of steam around Dewford so had to lean on old reliables like Geodude, Zubat, Magikarp, and Abra.
No day/night system was also just pure laziness.
>>713246627 is a disenginuous faggot who understands that the Pokedex was trickled in over like 7 games instead of having a complete dex between the two versions, but is pretending to be cute about it because Pokefags can never stop smoking cock.

tl;dr
>>713246456 factually correct
>>713246627 cocksmoker

>>713245829 (OP)
when it stopped being blatantly set in japan and being made for japanese people and started being made for The Global Audience because pokemon was such a phenomenon, so sometime during gen 3

>>713245829 (OP)
Your words are as empty as your soul

>>713246125
You're right.

>>713246125
Retard take. Gen 2 had minor features that were cut due to mechanical flaws (day/night were a mess that actually broke if the game was a few years old) and instead replaced it with weather, making secret bases, growing berries and mysterious kino like the mirage island and deep sea routes. Gen 2 was far less immersive than Gen 3, and being able to play a radio and have days of the week was not as impressive as everything gen 3 did for immersion.

>>713246928
I mean, you can't tell me having every region being japanese based wouldn't have gotten boring after a while...

>>713246628
Saying this in the nicest way possible: People like you still exist?

>>713245829 (OP)
>I think it started with gen IV
You think correctly. 4 is tolerable but the cracks start to show.

>>713245829 (OP)
Gen 8 was when it fully died.
>Let's Go
>Sword/Shield being unfinished dogshit
>Bottom of the barrel Pokemon designs
>Gigantimax is extremely uninspired

Gen 6 was pretty bad but it wasn't "soulless." And 7 is extremely soulful despite everything else.

>>713245829 (OP)
A fair bit lost in gen 3 as the franchise had already exploded in popularity and now had to continue producing new games, movies, and other content to maintain relevance. Sugimori was out.
A little more in gen 4 as it was another barely iterative release, but held in moderation by HGSS.
A significant amount in gen 5 as they used entirely new Pokemon and setting disconnected from the past, enjoyable as it was.
Everything remaining was completely lost in 6 and especially 7 as they stopped trying and just became regular slop cycles.

>>713245829 (OP)
Gen 2 was literally just more of the same, but worse. It doesn't get any more soulless than that. And the series just continued on like that forever, by the look of things. The only good Pokémon generation was Gen 1.

>>713245829 (OP)
For me I think it was after Ruby/Sapphire.

>>713246628
Jewelry is for women though

>>713246125
>but the obsession with adding battle mechanics rather than building the world that came with gen 3 is where I draw the line personally
Same. Felt like they were trying to give it enough juice for a competitive scene, which is always a deathknell for previously casual games.

>>713249284
Ah yes, Gen 1. The generation of countless glitches, none of the quality-of-life improvements later games added, the terrible movesets, the shit trainer AI. The generally boring region. Truly the most flawless of generations, definitely.

>>713246627
Ok,n now go play ruby and Sapphire and get yourself a full dex with only those games and the previous ones.

>>713245829 (OP)
gen 3 was when they gave up. Gen 2 was the last gen that was pure improvement on the previous gen.

Gen 3 was when they decided not to bother making each game strictly bigger and better than the previous ones, and settled with having a smaller world with fewer pokemon and less to do. That was basically when they decided it was okay to phone it in

>>713250238
Gold/Silver was a straight downgrade, though. All the worst problems with the original game were made much worse.

when it became the biggest multimedia franchise, it died, poketards killed it consuming slop, they are complaining now they growp up lol it's too late

>>713245829 (OP)
Started losing it in Gen 3. Was completely gone by Gen 6.

>>713248136
Part of what made Pokemon stand out was the game-link cable shit. The way it was presented in-game was genius, you really felt like your friend was a pokemon trainer in the world of the game itself when you battled/traded. The experience of trading pokemon or battling with a friend was the hypest shit ever. Aconnection to the real world, back then, in a tiny video game was amazing. Having Gold/Silver mirror the time of day IRL was fitting for that. It wasn't until Pokemon Go that the concept got pushed again and, unsurprisingly, it worked insanely well for them. Weather was good but it should've been your actual real local weather.

>>713250387
name one

>>713245829 (OP)
*points at the sign*

>>713245829 (OP)
After Gen 2 ended Gen 3 didn't let you trade

>>713245829 (OP)
It plateaued in Gen II then it started going downhill since.

>>713245829 (OP)
Gen 3 is the decline

>>713252574
do NOT diss my goat Gholdengo

>>713252574
Everyone saying gen 3 ('sing' included) is unhinged and detached from reality. Pokemania didn't even start to slow down until gen 4, like that is just factually true.

For me it's gen 6, X and Y are really just tech demos, and 3d has been ridden with issues in every game. IT's also when you can plainly see the
>morden children a retards so everything must be targeted at retards and have foam edges
Design mentality.

When they removed secret base in gen 5

>>713245829 (OP)
Beta Age (completely outdated and the franchise was still figuring out itself)
>Gen 1
>Gen 2
Golden Age (Everything is perfect. main games, remakes, spin-offs,...etc)
>Gen 3
>Gen 4
>Gen 5
Transitional period (Mostly great just like what came before, but the cracks have begun to show)
>Gen 6
Dark Age (Everything is dogshit)
>Gen 7
>Gen 8
>Gen 9

Gen 5 it became pandering to brownoids trannoids

>>713253805
PLEASE go outside

>>713252574
That apple lizard thing actually looks pretty cool

>>713253805
what the fuck are you saying

>>713245829 (OP)
>when did pokemon lose its soul?
It didn't, you just need to play more than just pokemon

>>713246456
Gen 2 had berries but gen 3 fleshed it out.

>>713246125
I remember being really disappointed Gen 3 didn't have the day and night system. Added a lot of flavor to the world even if it wasn't a big thing in Gen 2. Time based events are cool.

>>713253805
Bro, I seriously don't know how you can pass this off as good. The only version of Gen 5 that is serviceable at best is Blaze Black 2 because he gifts you Charmander in the 2nd town

Gen five started everything wrong with this series

>>713254291
Gen 5 has several based designs thoughever.

>>713245829 (OP)
After Gen 4

>>713245829 (OP)
I didn't care for gen 5 so I think that DPP + HGSS were the last good games

>>713254221
...and that was the one thing that Gen 3 lacked. Kinda nitpicky.

>>713254230
Look! I can cherrypick Pokemon from generations too!

>>713252574
>Design flaw in Mt. Coronet
What?

>>713246316
>>713246628
>>713254230
>>713254291
You people are the reason why Pokemon is so dogshit and full of KANTOOOO pandering now.

>>713253805
She's married to a white man, IIRC

>>713254291
This is correct, Platinum was a great game with a number of evolutions for prior gen Pokémon, the physical/special split, and plenty of decent to goPokémon. new Pokemon. Gen 5's only contribution was hidden abilities (so no actually new mechanics) and a rehash dex of Gen 1. And after 5 we just got stupid one generation gimmick bullshit like mega, Z moves, gigantomax, etc.

id say after the gen2 remakes - they perfected the formula and instead of just expanding on it and making QoL improvements and adding more content they reinvented it and made it gay

the directions pokemon could have gone after:
>new games in HGSS style with competitive multiplayer features
>a real pokemmo with all regions
>[pick any locale] and make a huge game in that format
>add cool shit like fully-realized world maps when using fly, more interactive HMs, 3d battles and world while maintaining the core design philosophy
but instead we got sun and moon and just total faggot dogshit

alternatively woulda liked to see them make a whole series in the colosseum / XD timeline that are just traditional RPGs with pokemon involved with tight stories and worlds. they could have gotten really crazy with that philosophy and appeased the graphicsfags.

>>713254291
What's even teh argument here
>regional shitmons (rat, bird, bugs, etc)
have been a thing since gen II.

>>713254291
Funny how most of the Gen 5 ones are way more interesting design wise

>>713245829 (OP)
Gen 4 is where it starts to feel less like you're a kid on an adventure and more like you're an adult role-playing a kid on an adventure.

Gen 1: The first game, an incredible new concept
Gen 2: A great refinement of that concept
Gen 3: A huge graphical leap and further refinement
Gen 4: Gen 3 again
Gen 5: Gen 3 again
Gen 6: Gen 3 again
Gen 7: Gen 3 again
Gen 8: Gen 3 again
Gen 9: Dogshit

Gee I wonder

I have no idea why so many people seem to have so much love for gen 5. It really added nothing of value over gen 4, and all the Pokemon designs fucking sucked because it was trying to "remake" gen 1 designs and in order to make them different they often had to be made worse.

It feels like one of those hivemind internet circlejerks like people pretending they care about Half life 3 or a new F-Zero.

>>713254828
Gen 3 doesn't refine at all, though: it extends

This right here is when pokemon lost its SOVL and it's only been downhill ever since.

>>713254921
People only like gen 5 is because the human characters designs lol muh skyla Rosa coomer design muh edgy N cool bishonen faggot they call the gen 5 most weeb gen

>>713245829 (OP)
gen 5 when they blatantly ripped off gen 1 in an effort to win back genwunners that didn't exist.
gen 5 was the lowest selling mainline games in the entire series history,

I was playing Pokemon Puzzle League yesterday and couldn't help wonder why out of all the gym leaders, this one got so little porn
Can you answer me /v/?

>>713255000
Care to explain why? Abilities too much for you or something?

>>713254921
People only like Gen 5 on the Internet. I pretty much confirmed this when Pokemon Go was at peak popularity and I asked randoms on the street

>>713254921
it's the most accessible pre-3d game by far so it's natural that it has the most apologists
also because it was the first pokemon game with a strong online presence

>>713255072
I've never see gen 5 "fans" discuss about the monster or gameplay only the humanflop characters that's why gf stopped there

>>713255101
Gen 3 is where they permanently changed what pokemon was into its modern incarnation.

>>713254221
And it only enhances the gameplay when certain pokemon are to be found at certain times.

>>713255175
>It's good because a caveman said I HAVE AN OPINION!!

>>713255186
And that's... bad?

>>713245829 (OP)
If lost it with SoulSilver ironically

Who knows

>>713254921
Gen 5 for pokémon is kinda like Diamond Is Unbreakable or Golden Wind is for JoJo. A loud minority of retards proclaim it as their favorite and best thing ever, while the silent majority knows for a fact that JoJo stopped being good or worth reading after Stardust Crusaders.

>>713255274
It's not fair that popular pokemon are good and unpopular pokemon are bad. I hate popular things.

>>713255274
have you ever tried voicing an opinion rather than hide behind sarcasm?

>>713255274
Modern pokemon is bad yes.

>>713255274
Yes. Peak pokemon was gen 1 & 2: everything since has just been trying to recapture the magic of those few years, an endless peter pan moment

I blame Japan they treat like Pokemon like hello kitty and they don't like changes, they are using Pokemon for tourism and other shit

>>713255373
SBR is objectively good, even if your contrarian faggot brain can't comprehend that because it's popular.

>>713255408
Christ, it's not that serious

>>713255323
Pokemon's massive profit nowadays mainly comes from the card game and merchandise, not the video games. The video games have been kind of stagnating. Despite the massive success of the switch sales haven't grown that much. Sun and Moon to Sword and Shield was 16->26 million sales. Looks impressive but of course there's a much higher budget and the sales of the console doubled. I'm sure gamefreak would like to see more growth than they're seeing, especially when you look at things like Zelda. Skyward sword to Breath of the Wild went from 4.1m to 35m.

Or even look at fucking Mario Party. 8 to Super went from 8.8m to 22m. Mario Party is almost as big as Pokemon now, that's insane. And if Pokemon doesn't step it up, we could even see Mario Party surpass Pokemon on the switch 2.

>>713255524
I wouldn't know, I gave up on the series halfway through stone ocean.

Fucking posers get the fuck out, Gen 3 was the peak of the series, games were fully 60fps and colosseum was such a beautiful game you played with bros.
Ds games were shit 30fps slops and PBR lacked story mode after previous gen being great.

>>713255445
I'd argue they don't give a shit (and why would they) about recapturing the magic considering >>713255323

III.
>only add bare minimum
>one island
>can’t get half the Pokémon with one game anymore
>story devolved into Barney shit for censors

Remember when Pokémon was about telling your mom to stay in the kitchen while you go fuck misty behind a rock and demand needler to pin a fucking metaphor to a wall? Fuck this baby shit. It was about growing up. Going outside without your fucking mom. How awesome would it be if instead of pandering to blithering children they decided hey, our audience is getting laid now, why don’t we trick misty out a little? Give her some puberty tits and a swimsuit or something and let you romance her.

No instead they might as well have AI generated a bunch of Pokémon and the story as well. I bet the new games are 90% generated.

>>713249389
this nigga's never played a pnp-style rpg

>>713255646
>fps fagging sprite based games with 2/3 frames of animation

When you become a manchildren lol you are not the target audience anymore but you insist

>>713255772
>Anime poster
>Dumb as a rock
Every single time

>>713255101
We didn't even have regional pokemon in gen 2. Johto pokemon weren't specific to the region, they were just newly discovered mons. It was gen 3 that started the trend of every new game being a brand new region that has its own pokemon, because pokemon aren't magical creatures anymore, just replacements of real life animals. Of course the designs got worse, because you can't make 150 new monster designs every couple of years and expect the same level of creativity every single time.

>>713255698
Firstly, Holy word salad

Secondly, I don 't think each game not having every Pokemon is necessarily a bad thing? It makes each game unique because you always have varying options on what you can use on a team. Or if you argument is that you have to trade between each version to get the national dex, yes I agree thats a little stupid but lets not pretend Gen 1 and 2 didn't have that issue too.

Diamond and pearl was just a huge disappointment. It added absolutely nothing, the graphics weren't any better because they went for "3d" when the console and developers had no ability to do that. And the story was almost identical to gen 3, after the first 3 games had all had very original stories.

What killed Pokemon was the introduction of online play. It let them focus on """"competitive"""" Pokemon and neglect the single player/local multiplayer experience that had defined the series. Competitive Pokemon is fucking stupid. It's an RNG game. Might as well play competitive rock paper scissors. The only skill is grinding a team to have perfect stats, and that's either extremely tedious or you just cheat and inject the Pokemon in which case you're not even engaging with that.

>>713255916
Not to mention the art style change. The original watercolor art was so fucking good. From gen3 onwards it was sterile and soulless.

>>713255916
>We didn't even have regional pokemon in gen 2
This is a problem. It just means a majority of the region feels like Kanto 1.5. Doesn't help that most of the newly added Pokemon had really bad stats.

>>713255000
As a kid, it came down to these "legendary" Pokemon on the boxes looking nowhere near as mythical as Ho-Oh or Lugia or Mewtwo. The feeling of mystery and intrigue was basically completely absent in the marketing. That was the first thing. Then it was the look of the games themselves - too saturated, too green. The subdued tones of Gold/Silver gave a lot more mood to the world and it made the darker moments in those games work quite well. From the outset, Sapphire/Ruby didn't even look capable of having dark moments like the Slowpoke tail thing or the Lavender City. So I just never cared.

I think one thing that really hurt the series was the removal of evolution as a game mechanic. Yes evolution is technically still in the games, but you can just catch evolved Pokemon randomly so there's no reason to bother. Especially in the most recent games you can easily find fully evolved Pokemon hanging around. It takes away the incentive to level up which takes away the incentive to battle. The older games made catching fully evolved Pokemon outside of weak shit like bugs very rare. I'm not sure when this started because I didn't play a few generations but it's been in every switch game.

>>713255954
>It added absolutely nothing
Physical/Special split, nigger

>>713256040
>This is a problem
No, it's what pokemon is. The whole point is that they're always discovering new monsters. It wasn't a problem to be solved, it was a defining characteristic. They changed pokemon from something it was into something it wasn't.

>>713254921
I played the shit out of Pokemon white and it was a great time.
Hydreigon is one of my all time favorites

>>713256067
>The feeling of mystery and intrigue was basically completely absent in the marketing.
In the games too. What drew me in originally was the sense of adventure and the world. Modern Pokémon is just going through themeparks, modern cities, and schools.

when the male and female choices started to visually become indistinguishable from each other

>>713256171
I have no clue what you're trying to say. Is it so bad for each new region to have its own unique identity and prominent lineup of new mons?

>>713256157
>Physical/Special split, nigger
What did this add if you don't play competitively which 99% of players don't? I feel like most people who play these games don't even realize there was a change there, because it makes so little difference.

>>713253521
why did secret bases have a limit to the number of items that was so low? let me fill the fucker up

>>713256282
It made several Pokemon (namely most Dark Types) actually usable? Hello???

>>713256264
You're being facetious.

>>713252464
Kanto doesn't give you any good pokemon until you reach Celadon city. Johto Doesn't give you any until after you beat the game. RS is the first good game because it fixes this.

when coomertrash like cynthia appeared

>>713246928
>Kyushu isn't REAL Japan!
u wot m8

pokemon is being held back by corporate. corporate mandates have sterilized and strangled every last bit of charm fun out of the series. it used to be a series that sold merch. now it's merely merch with a tv and video game advertisements

>>713256264
I know what he's saying. It's the idea that there were Pokemon hiding in Kanto all along that weren't known until Gold/Silver. Such as finding a mysterious egg, it hatching into a new species, or discovering that you can actually breed Pikachus to create Pichus and it's a whole new discovery we didn't know last gen. It's more exciting than just "in this region, there's different Pokemon".

>>713256404
Okay.

Hebes

>>713246928
>sometime during gen 3
Gen 5 you mean? Because Gen 1 to 4 was all set in Japan

>>713256417
You're completely missing the point trying to look at this like an RPG optimization thing.

I feel that the first few Pokemon gens were more "everyone" games while the newer ones are explicitly kids games. You had some darker themes and more challenge. It's really bizarre that this happened because it was entirely kids playing it back then while now it's mainly adults. I noticed this phenomenon with a lot of Nintendo franchises, although outside of Pokemon they seem to be fixing this. For example, the newest Zelda game, echoes of wisdom, had a hard mode.

>>713245829 (OP)
Keychain pokemon generation is when pokemon fully died but it was on life support before that

>>713245829 (OP)
it started with gen 3

the pokémon world as it was depicted both in the original manga and the gen 1/2 games has ceased to exist entirely after that.

you could argue it started with the anime which really pushed this infantilised version of the pokémon world that it now has fully become in every way.

They should have abandoned the Gen 1/2 turn-based battle system in gen 3. That was always just a means to an end - it was the best option they had for the Gameboy. With GBA, they should have upgraded to something more exciting, more visual. It should not have been just another battle screen with Mon 1, Mon 2, health bars and attack choices. That shit should've been left in the past.

>>713257113
im personally not a huge fan of turn based battle systems, but how would you have changed it back then?

When they moved away from based watercolor.

>>713257113
>they should have upgraded to something more exciting, more visual.
lol never happening with gamefreak

>>713257335
They kind of have with the new Legends game. It's still technically turn based, but you can get multiple turns in a row and now you can dodge and aim abilities. It is barely turn based at this point. I wouldn't be surprised if the next legends games drops the turn based entirely, opting for cooldowns instead.

>>713257213
The whole game needed to be redesigned. No more just randomly launching into battles from walking around in grass sprites. That shit should've also been left in Gen 1/2. Seeing the same old grass and routes in gen 3 in a shittier artstyle instantly killed it for me. They needed to have the pokemon all visible in the world. Gen 1/2 already had a couple roaming Pokemon towns and houses, they should've made that the standard for everything. That would've been the first thing. That's how you make exploring the world better. It's not like the Pokemon sprites in the world had to do anything fancy, just walk around. I would personally create a grid-based, turn-based battle system that uses the surroundings as an arena so that there'd be no separation from the world and the battling.

It wasn't a particular game or generation...it was when the internet became readily accessible to everyone. It was much more fun battling with friends for the casual player before IV/EVs were datamined. Additionally swapping tips or "secrets" on the schoolyard made the games feel much bigger than they were.

when they realized that they could make more money just by selling merchandise

>>713257675
Think of it like this - actually: Imagine you're co-ordinating your Pokemon across a grid arena. That arena can contain obstacles that can be traversed if you have the moves for them - trees to cut, water to surf, etc, just like in the overworld - your HMs/TMs could come into play in battle this way as not just attacks but optional tools to gain spatial advantages in combat.

>>713256749
All I want is to build a team of six pokemon I like. Optimization would be sweeping the game with an overleveled starter/legendary like how the Johto games railroad you into doing.

>when did pokemon lose its soul?
I get you're asking about quality, but pokemans soul is about catching every pokemon. And that's still in the games I believe

>>713257998
pokemon go is, still the best pokemon game to date

>>713252574
/thread, perfect summation of Pokemon's rise and fall
1996-2002 vidya will never be topped

>>713257981
I don't know what your tastes are but I always liked the normal pokemon at the beginning of Gen 1. There's charm in catching a bird, a mouse, a caterpillar and making something of it.

>>713245829 (OP)
XY, but I also don't like the first half of Gen V very much. BW was more story focused, more linear, had less replayable side elements (musicals are garbage with no reward, not even ribbons), cut a bunch of features past gens had, and in my opinions, had the worst designs at that point. .

>>713256669
seems about right, the gen 5 soft reboot really polarized people and they never recovered. gen 3 and 4 have some of the best titles.

>>713258104
And this is because it wasn't an RPG stuck in the mid-90s. Everything that was actually good and timeless about Pokemon came back for the modern age of the time. Like how using the gamelink cable with my cousin once felt magic, playing around with maps and finding Pokemon in your home block felt magic. Who knows if it'll ever come again.

>>713258243
Shame really, Gen 5 has some of my favourite Pokemon overall and I really like the regions vibe

the true answer is gen 7, gen 6 wa mediocre but i liked it, the first 3d game and still felt like a pokemon game, but gen 7 started replicate the yokai watch success, they were so pathetic

>>713252574
As someone who dropped the franchise after gen 4 it's wild to see the monster designs on the right. They look like parody designs you'd see in like south park or something. I genuinely believe you have to be suffering from a mental illness to still like this series.

>>713246837
>They intended to do a full dex reset but ran out of steam around Dewford so had to lean on old reliables like Geodude, Zubat, Magikarp, and Abra.
These are contradictory statements especially when taking into account that the games had full movesets, abilities, learnsets etc for the pokemon of the two generations.
>No day/night system was also just pure laziness
It was necessary to remove it, the day and night mechanics added absolutely nothing to the game beyond making finding and catching certain pokemon extremely tedious, it's why it never returned fully after gen 5.
>the Pokedex was trickled in over like 7 games
Which is also false. At the very most you only needed the gba games to complete the dex excluding events.

>>713257113
I'd rather not have them go to archaic action rpg mechanics.

>>713256067
Now you know how we felt with gen 2.

>>713258171
>d less replayable side elements (musicals are garbage with no reward, not even ribbons), cut a bunch of features past gens had
You can thank the dream world for that. bw would probably have had secret bases and berry growing in the base game if it wasn't for this shit

>>713258371
>gen 6 wa mediocre but i liked it
>how to tell someone was born after the year 2000

>>713258557
And that matters why? Stop gatekeeping

>>713245829 (OP)
it was actually with gen 3 which was one of the earliest examples of a "soft reboot" I can think of

After Gen II. No other answer. Gen 3 forward was a mistake and when pokemon lost all its heart.

>>713255943
>not having Pokémon is fine

More corporate jargon

>>713254489
I like them all better than the ice creams

>>713245829 (OP)
It was seven. Even up to gen six, as flawed as it was, they were trying new things and experimenting within the limited structure of the series. After that it seems like they don't even try because they know people will buy it anyway.

The most common answer in here is Gen 3. I think we can accept that as the correct answer.

>>713258824
Missing the point. Boiling Gen 5 down to "It's bad because theres an ice cream pokemon" was a bad argument 15 years ago.

>>713258886
I actually like mega evolutions as an idea, but that was just about the only decent thing about gen 6. And even then the implementation was terrible with giving a bunch of already OP meta Pokemon even higher power, it should have near exclusively been given to shitmons and overshadowed Pokémon (yes I'm still mad Flygon got shafted while that faggot Garchomp got even more shit).

>>713259056
Nah, people are only saying gen 3 to band wagon.

>>713259173
Nah fuck shitmons

Soulless

>>713245829 (OP)
gen 6.
for some reason the 3ds seemed to bring soullessness into quite a few nintendo series and they never really recovered.

>>713245829 (OP)
technically Gen 2 cause this was the point where they wanted designs for easier merchandise and anime production. Gen 3 then included the cover legendary into the story removing a lot of charm from them on top of them being way overdone with the world land and sea creator thing. Gen 4 went then full retard with the legendaries.
In terms of quality the games peaked in gen 2 I'd say. In gen 3 they started to remove features of Gen 2. I think the games were OK to play up to the point they went full 3D.

>>713258886
> They were trying new things and experimenting within the limited structure of the series
That's just it anon, it never had to have a limited structure to begin with. The time for changing the structure was gen 3, and they didn't.

>>713258732
>>713259056
based and trvke pilled

>>713259427
>The time for changing the structure was gen 3
Which they did. The problem is that you want it to change genre.

>>713259358
Saying this when Gen 3 has objectively the best starter trio to date is insane

>>713258394
they make them shit because they can milk old designs and kanto forever

>>713259358
>best starter trio to ever be made
>solid Pokémon designs throughout the entire dex
>introduced abilities
>good level curve after the abomination that was Johto
>great music (trumpets are top tier)
The only downsides were no day/night and too many water routes.

>>713259390
>I think the games were OK to play up to the point they went full 3D
That's how I feel. While I see gen 3 as the beginning of the end, they were still alright to play all the way to gen 6 when it totally died.

>>713259548
>least schizophrenic genwun hater

>>713259427
>muh change
yeah why it worked for digimon or any other monster cllection game in the past

>>713245829 (OP)
when you grew up so half way through the golden age.

It never did, and part of why /v/ermin are so angry all the time at Nintendo and their companies - they never changed but the rest did.

Still massively looking forward to Legenda: Z-A. Still looking as SOVLful as ever. Mad?

>>713245829 (OP)
Pokemon lost its soul between Gen VI and Gen VII because this is when they started appealing to people who are casual Pokemon fans and Pokemon anime normies. These games just screamed "we want the Pokemon anime audience" and this was the moment Pokemon games lost their identity. It doesn't help that Gen VI was complete low effort slop. Gen VII was much higher quality and I wouldn't call it slop but it barely felt like a Pokemon game.
Pokemon on GB(A) and NDS always had this mysterious aura around them. Mew, Unowns, fucking Braille puzzle in RSE, Arceus and the creation duo in DPPt etc. The emphasis was more so on the lore than the plot and despite being games for kids, they weren't patronising and treat the players like idiots. You could see the Pokemon identity being squeezed out of the franchise in real time with shit like Mystery Gifts. These games used to have a hidden endgame areas you could only unlock by going to an IRL event (or cheating). They were replaced by a free DLC that unceremoniously gave you a mythical Pokemon in the Pokemon Center. Gone was the wonder of talking with friends about a secret Mythical Pokemon or reading about how to get the Azure Flute on obsure pages on the Internet.
And while the games were never difficult for a regular gamer, kids and newbies who played them fondly remember how difficult battles like Whitney and Cynthia were. Especially since how obscure information about game mechanics were at the time.
Playing Gens I to V during their heyday felt like playing Dark Souls 1 for the first time and how fun discovering the lore, the mechanics and the world was.

>>713259856
I find it odd that people can't comprehend that people stick with pokemon for the gameplay.

it's the fate of being the biggest multimedia franchise most of these franchises lost their soul cauze money
go woke go broke

>>713249125
Let's Go was Gen7. Might be more accurate to say the Switch era in general.

Johto-toddlers seething about their nostalgic game getting brutally mogged by RSE is so funny.

>>713245829 (OP)
the switch to 3d models for pokemon battles

>>713245829 (OP)
By gen IV, Pokemon was already so old that I was mainly interested in recapturing my nostalgia for gens I-III. I have not completed a mainline game since Emerald. I have only played remakes like Soul Silver. I played a small amount of Omega Ruby before uninstalling it from my 3DS.

Maybe this is a problem with me and not with Pokemon as a franchise.

>>713260238
Give Omega Ruby another shot! You may end up liking it.

>>713245829 (OP)
After Gen4, when they started dumbing everything down because everybody complained that Mt. Coronet was too confusing to navigate around.

>original soul
emerald was the last really good one. anything sinnoh related was super boring

>new soul
the 3ds games were all very good pokemon games on their own. not as good as original soul but it was a good reincarnated life. pokemon died here and has not yet been reincarnated

>fake replacement soul
switch games. the new one coming out doesnt look like its going to be any better. please stop gamefreak

>>713259935
Reading a post that is this pantshittingly retarded makes me wonder if it's some sort of agitprop chatbot.

>>713245829 (OP)
Honestly? I feel like it never truly had much soul in it, even in the older gens.
Sure the older gens had more details and stuff in but pokemon always felt a bit soulless to me.

>>713245829 (OP)
It all started with Ohmori, so when ORAS released.

>>713259501
They didn't change shit anon. You realise that they could have had wild pokemon sprites roaming in the overworld at that point? Just that alone would have been such an upgrade that they never even implemented until recently. You realise they could have used a different JRPG battle system? The story didn't have to be about battling 8 gym leaders again either. There's a million things they could've done to bring the series forward whilst keeping it a JRPG. I could leave it there, but it's still not thinking big enough. Pokemon was always meant to be more than an RPG. The real secret to Pokemon's success is the "esoteric" shit where real life and the game combine in a novel way. As long as this element is in place, you have a Pokemon game that literally everyone plays, and the genre is just a service to that function.

>>713260917
They changed the gym leader structure in gen 7 though and you all hated it

>>713260107
It's wild how much entertainment is dominated by American and Japanese IPs. No other country comes close.

>>713261012
Because nothing really changed. The plot is still ultimately dictated by defeating major Trainers (the Kahunas) for badges to prove yourself ready for the Elites.

>>713260074
I do comprehend it anon. But it's a niche - a large niche, but still just a bubble compared to what it was, and could've been. If Pokemon didn't go off-track, it would be competing with GTA6 right now. Don't you see?

>>713259089
yeah but
that's not why it's bad

>>713260917
Thank you for proving my point, you want it to become an entirely different game on a fundamental level.
>Pokemon was always meant to be more than an RPG
No, not at all. Monster tamers only work as rpgs. Others have tried other genres but ultimately it results in gameplay that invalidates having monsters.

>>713254921
I enjoyed BW2 a lot but BW1 was just awful
i don't know what happened

>>713261158
Pokemon Go proves you wrong. Pokemon literally did not return to its former glory until it adapted to the times. And they learned nothing from it and fail to innovate once again.

>>713260917
>They didn't change shit anon
>rehauled every single system in the game
>added abilities
>added natures
>added berry farming
>changed the story structure
>changed the setting completely
>added double battles

>>713245829 (OP)
Character design changed radically between 2 and 3 to the point where the new mons didn’t even look like Pokémon at the time. Cutting out the real time clock, ending the connection with previous games, not having a way to move Pokémon from Gen1/2 to 3, then making the plot about absurd ideologies using legendary Pokémon to destroy the world were all steps in the wrong direction. IMO they should have kept the formula of expanding the world and revisiting old areas instead of trying to make a shitty standalone region every generation.

>>713245829 (OP)
Gen 5 is when the games stopped feeling like "good 'ol Pokemon" even if the games themselves were objectively good.

>>713261310
>Cutting out the real time clock
It never left. It just got heavily downgraded to only really affect what Eevee evolves to and some daily events like swarms and berries.

>>713261230
Pokemon go IS an rpg, anon

>>713261310
The "They don't look like Pokemon anymore" argument never made sense to me. Yeah no shit the artstyle changes overtime and they don't look how they did before

>>713245829 (OP)
>when did pokemon lose its soul?

>>713261548
That's a penis. That cave is literally a penis. Why did they do this.

>>713245829 (OP)
gen 2 doesn't have soul
cant get hourdoom till kanto
misdreavus trash
dark trash
pokemon sucked till gen 3 got better
gen 4 everything was set but games slow as shit
gen 5 perfect

>>713261496
Digimon still looks the exact same and still has the exact same artist all these years, with people paid to imitate his art style.

>>713261496
It's a poser argument.
They want to fit in with the people who started with gen 1 and 2 and they think that renouncing what came after is the way to do it. You see the same argument in the Digimon fanbase when they complain about how humanoid megas are or the amount of waifumon

gen 5 objectively. the whole dex was just rehashes of old pokemon

>>713261310
2 doent even look like gen 1 at all

>>713245829 (OP)
Pokemon never lost it's soul despite becoming a very corporate product or the quality of its games becoming lower than what it already was back in gen 3.
Except for gen 8 what the fuck happened there? How did this absolute dump sell as much as it did despite how much they shat on the average pokemon player?
>dexcut
>Kanto pandering EVERYWHERE
>reused lazy animations
>the same models as the 3DS ones
>the boring paid DLC content
>the empty as fuck game with nothing to do
>a complete mixed bag of either really good pokemon and trainer designs or absolute bottom of the barrel garbage with no inbetween
I had never boxed a starter ever in a generation but this one I couldn't even look at them, struggled to make a team out of the newest mons because they were mostly repulsive designs, and I don't mean as in they were ugly I mean, look at Mr Rhyme for example that is so fucking bad it pains me it's real.

>>713261305
This is exactly what I mean. This is when Pokemon stops being a worldwide phenomenon that brings all the children in the schoolyard together and starts becoming a niche product for people who are into them as RPGs specifically. This shit you've listed matters about as much as the rules of the Pokemon Playing Card Game that nobody cares about when they just want to buy the Pokemon Cards themselves because they're cool.

>>713261310
>using legendary Pokémon to destroy the world were all steps in the wrong direction.
Region anon, region.
Before gen 6 they weren't any more stronger than the previous legends.
>IMO they should have kept the formula of expanding the world and revisiting old areas instead of trying to make a shitty standalone region every generation.
No, that would have hit critical mass by gen 4 and they already couldn't manage more than one region by how absolutely shit gen 2 was

>>713261987
So basically they improved and innovate but you didn't like it because it stayed as a pokemon game instead of some shovelware action adventure title

>>713261834
So was Gen 3's dex literally, they tried to reboot the series twice now. That's a bad faith argument and you know it.

>>713256067
Rayquaza was pretty good
Groudon and Kyogre were shit

im genwuner and gen 2 is trash killed the soul baby shit designs i hate designs like corsola and sudowoodo and wobbufet lol and babymon were a mistake

>>713245829 (OP)
When was Dawn last seen? then.
All generations without Dawn are soulless

>>713261632
It's gay they ditched the Gen V engine so fast because of the 3ds, emerald and platinum remakes on it would be kino

>>713245829 (OP)
Yeah it started in Gen IV. HG/SS were great but D/P were shit. Sinnoh is the most soulless region of all pre-Switch games. Even Unova and Kalos are better.

>>713261310
Gen 5's legends were just a sign of ideology rather than pokemon capable of destroying the world. They were powerful, but not all powerful.
Gen 3 and 4 shat the bed there with world ending and universe ending mons so when Gen 5 brought down the powerlevels some people weren't too keen on that. Gen 6 also doesn't have world ending legends, they are just fuel for a weapon. Gen 7 legends Necrozma aside are also pretty tame. Gen 8 all the same. Gen 9 all the same, though Terapagos probably could?

>>713262189
Really? What was gen 3 rehashing from Gen 1 or 2?

>>713246928
this
what were they thinking

>>713262441
sinnoh's more soulful than johto and platinum mogs the fuck out of hgss, shit ass region dedicated entirely to fighting waves of level 5 pidgeys and ekans because they didn't fuck the dogshit levels from gen 2 lmao

>>713255101
a good number of pokemon designs got kinda shat on from the transition to full color
the high contrast made them look cooler

>>713262665
Adding the Rock Climb HM alone ruined HG/SS. Can't even climb Mt. Silver without losing a valuable movespace for it.

Pokoemn always been sovless slop

>>713262672
Gen 2's sprites are really really good, but if they continued to look like this on the GBA and DS, I can't help but feel they'd just begin to look outdated

>>713262493
>Only other generation with two starting area birds
>Only other gen with two starting area bug shitters
>Decoys retreading the DNA theme of Mewtwo
>repurposed a lot of scrapped designs from gen 1 and 2 (the Eel became Huntail and Gorebyss, the haunted doll became Banette, the anchor shark became Sharpedo, etc)
>most of the region follows the same formula as Kanto down to it's format on land on a different path
Gen 3 was meant to be a reboot, but they backed down on it, probably felt they didn't have enough water variety to carry it with just Hoenn mons.

>>713263164
>Decoys
Deoxys.

>>713262672
High contrast made them look cool and unique.
Most pokemon now are a hodge-podge of a bunch of different palettes and designs and it looks like ass.

I personally think it lost it during Gen 6, but this from SM is the single best example. I fucking hate XY and ORAS, but nothing I can pull from those games is on this level. We finally get riding pokemon, and it makes you put on safety clothes and a helmet, while the Pokemon you get also have bright yellow harnesses and such. It's just so lame.

>>713263327
What gen did they also start forcing you to wear a helmet to ride a bike

>>713263327
I'd let a Machoke carry me like that

>>713263327
>Ash didn't need a helmet riding Ponyta
>You need full helmet, pads, kneepads to be carried by a buff dude

The anime knew what kids wanted.

>>713263736
the anime the first two seasons >>>the garbage games

>>713245829 (OP)
And speaking of the anime, when the games stopped giving kids what they wanted, then it lost its soul. For some reason companies think appealing to kids means appealing to ~5 year olds and nobody in the 12-14 range even though those are the people that can appreciate an RPG like pokemon while the 5 year old would struggle to read anything.

This is true for all pokemon media, btw. It started to suck when it started assuming its playerbase were exclusively dumb toddlers who completed every game by mashing A.

Pokemon was always soulless garbage:
-Forced you to buy 2 versions of the same game to have the complete pokedex
-Combat system barely being better then dq1 in terms of complexity
-Dungeons somehow less complex than atari 2600 games
-One of the slowest animations for anything in any single video game
Pokemon was the soulless choice, smt and dqm were the real chad choices.

>>713245829 (OP)
Gen 2 killed pokemania

Buying Pokemon games at the time is the objective best Pokemon experience
>Enjoy the games at the time
>Sell them for high value now
Win win

the average pokemonmanchildren

>>713264301
pokemon autists have high paying jobs hence why the franchise is the highest grossing one

>>713264083
>-Forced you to buy 2 versions of the same game to have the complete pokedex
This was actually a sovlful concept: forcing you to go out and make friends if you wanted them all, and the games were plenty cheap. $20 in 1998 is about $40 today. Pokemon was priced the same as a budget indie title today.

>>713264246
this gen 2 was a mistake and ruined my fav pkmn
>gets a gay evolution that overshadows him forever, said evolution is super lame looking in comparison

>>713261945
>Except for gen 8 what the fuck happened there? How did this absolute dump sell as much as it did despite how much they shat on the average pokemon player?
Because COVID happened and people suddenly had a lot of time on their hands, so they bought whatever games they could.

>>713264384
>IT SOLD WELL IT MEANS ITS CUSTOMERS ARE RICH!
It means its customers are exclusively children sponging off their parents

>>713263282
(why is this the only fucking image of all the gen 9 mons)
nah the problem these days is most of the pokemon now just look outright stupid which is partly from how fucked up the proportions are and partly because the very concept is retarded

>>713264483
>t. poorfag digitard thirdie
Seethe + cope

>>713264549
I'm richer than you, Tendie. Get a job.

>>713264483
and women nip women keep buying merch you see the pokemon center online jp most merch is for girls

>>713264410
If you were playing Pokemon, odds are you had no friends.

>>713264384
>>713264483
>>713264549
>>713264587
>>713264594
can we all just get along

Top 3 best selling pokemon games
Red and blue
Scarlet and violet
Sword and shield
Top 3 worst selling pokemon games
Sun and moon
Ruby and sapphire
Black and white

>>713264587
>I-I'm richer than you
You're a fat amerimutt tranny living off neetbux seething at poketards having more money than you.
>g-get a job
I already have one, do you want me to hire you so you can stop being a failure?

>>713264654
All the kids who were playing Pokemon on the playground were the coolest kids. Everyone loved Pokemon. I know you weren't around then but you underestimate how big Pokemania is.

The games are only popular because of that craze.

>>713264483
poorfag detected

>>713263327
SM had a lot of soul but also was just not a very fun game.

>>713264083
>Combat system barely being better then dq1 in terms of complexity
You've clearly never played a pokemon or DQ game if you believe that.

>>713264654
If you weren't playing pokemon you had no friends

>>713264759
>You're a fat amerimutt
You just said I was a thirdie before. You can't even make up your mind at what kind of mental delusion to seethe about. Get a job, your parents won't pamper you forever.

>>713246125
completely agree, though I think gen 3 and 4 kept a bunch of decent world building like adding more unown stuff with arceus and the braille puzzles. The battle changes/updates were 100% a good change but I really liked the more immersive stuff from gen 2

>>713264809
the only good thing was lillie and lusamine
the music fucking sucked
actually all the music past gen 6 was atrocious

>>713264534
I love most of this dex and also its missing the DLC ones

>>713264654
>world wide phenomenon
>everyone had it
>kids played morning, noon and night with friends
Odds are if you weren't playing pokemon you had no friends.

>>713264856
>amerimutt think xe isn't a thirdie
KEKEKEK

>>713264874
>actually all the music past gen 6 was atrocious
I thought the music was the thing most consistently great about Pokemon?

>>713264874
I like Necrozma's themes, team skull and Guzman's themes were great too

>>713264883
Nobody I ever knew growing up played Pokemon (maybe two or three at most). If they did, they never dared speak of it to others.

>>713264982
Then either you live in Zimbabwe or your "friends" hated you.

>>713264534
my fav pkmn in this fucking dex iz wo chien

>>713264875
>I love most of this dex
>Screamtail
>Palafin
>Farigiraf
>Toedscruel
>Klawf
>Wugtrio
>Varoom

>Gholdengo in all his 100 polygons of gold glory

Seriously?
I mean, fucking seriously?

Literally, every single person was calling this a hoax when it was leaked. Why wouldn't they? These look fucking stupid.

This is part of the reason why high-contrast was so important: it kept them from being able to just recolor Dugtrio and say "Uhhh, it's a wugtrio!" and add another to the dex.
Or just make a flamingo and drop the 'n'.

>>713264941
Pokemon music took a serious nosedive with gen 7 and 8, gen 9 also has a plenty forgettable tracks with also some really SOUL ones like the Ruined Quartet or Area Zero, but rather than being the norm they are nowadays the exception

>>713265096
Gholdengo is the goat. Do not diss.

>>713264656
Nope. Tendies are genuinely too stupid to get along with

>>713265158
its ok, they got renowned musician toby fox now to remix homestuck music for the 100000x time

>>713265071
I lived in a slummy neighborhood of Clearwater, Florida. Around there, the only thing anybody traded was drugs.

>>713264698
>Top 3 worst selling pokemon games
>Black and white
This is because of people waiting for the 3DS, stfu

>>713265096
Scream tail is cool
Palafin is goofy but the whole search for his evolution made me like it
Farigiraf is dogshit because to me it completely dogpiles on Girafarig's original concept
Toedscruel is very, very funny
Klawf is great
Wugtrio is meh compared to Wiglett
Varoom is pretty good
Gholdengo is a reddit tier pokemon I won't ever like it, but even then you only pointed out a very small portion of the dex that not everyone would agree with.

>>713265278
Oh really
well I live in Lakeland and literally everyone had Pokemon here

>>713265256
Toby did Area Zero's music so I'd say he's pretty good at his job

>>713264874
>lillie
No
>Lusamine
Could have been but they pussied out at the last second. I cannot believe she had this big intro with her fused form and then she threw out a pokeball.

The only soulful thing about SM was team skull being a bunch of misfits on an island they physically can't escape from and lashing out because nobody helps them, even making a shantytown for themselves, but even that's a double edged sword because they're doing absurdly dumb shit like lame rhymes.

>>713245829 (OP)
Gen 3.

>>713265504
I like all of SM's dialogue, the grunt that is willing to get paid to get hit with a hyper beam, the Magnemite that spells Alola in Morse code, the old man alien quest, man why did SM have to be such a terrible game with so much soul

>>713265330
also because the game was boring dogshit

>>713245829 (OP)
Stealth genwunner thread. Anyways, I haven't been all that excited for a Pokemon game since Gen 7. Don't get it twisted, I like the designs for Gen 8 Mons, but I can't get hyped for the games. The Marketing just ain't hitting. And I'm not too fond of the new gimmicks.

Generation 6.

Generation 5 was great. Had a lot of content, great setup, story, the whole nine yards. Backlash for the game was pretty high - a lot of people didn't like the effort they put in the game.

So they simplified everything Gen 6 and on. Stopped caring about the battle frontiers because kids want to do other things. Brought back the GEN 1 audience with a new 3D experience and megas for Gen1 .

Gen 6 and beyond is fucking trash.

>>713265504
>Ghetsis implied to abuse N: "N doesn't deserve that! Ghetsis needs to be punished for this."
>Lusamine implied to abuse Lillie: "NOOOOO! Women can't ever be abusive! Retcon this immediately!"
Fucking dumbasses for caving to mindless political correctness.

>>713245829 (OP)
gen3

>>713246125
I put it at 6 but you're right about what they prioritized.

>>713265959
Worth it because Lillie goes to Kanto over her mother needing treatment for Nihilego's poison and I can't handle not seeing Lillie again in SM

>>713265864
>Generation 5 was great
not really

>>713266119
Deserves respect just for adding re-useable TMs.

>>713265864
>Stopped caring about the battle frontiers
You mean the thing Gen 5 cut?

Gen 5 haters are seriously mentally ill

I’d say Gen 3, artistically. I don’t know where the gameplay fell off because I checked out after being disappointed by FRLG when I was 11.

>>713245829 (OP)
gen 3

>>713266119
It actually was. You didn't like playing as only new Pokemon, and that's OK.
>>713266203
???? Did you play B/W 2? It had a giant tree and building with an excessive amount of content where you could literally play all gym leaders/old protagonists.

How is that bad compared to something like the battle Masion.
Yeah, it's only one section of the BF, but it was worth something.

>>713245829 (OP)
as a kid i stopped after gen 4
came back for x/y, played sm, skipped sword, played violet. went back for black at some point, got bored and never finished it.
i'm 30 years old so i think the series peaked at gen 2

>>713258397
>No day/night system was also just pure laziness
>the day and night mechanics added absolutely nothing to the game beyond making finding and catching certain pokemon extremely tedious
You mean it was pure soul and the devs should have never catered to competitive faggots like you?

>>713266314
>You didn't like playing as only new Pokemon
no, I didn't like the shitty graphics, complete lack of exploration, garbage story, and lazily cut features, but sure, blame it on the Pokemon if it helps you cope

>>713266119
I played it recently as I physically own them, they are still some of the best games made for the DS

>>713266464
Ah you're Yawnie. I see you left your breachment again. Back to the asylum with you.

>>713266464
>yawnie downie
THREE BULLETS

>>713266314
>Did you play B/W 2? It had [these things drastically worse than the Battle Frontier built for retarded casuals who only care about nostalgia pandering]
It's funny how Unova schizos blame Gen 6 for everything their gen was guilty of.

>>713259358
This is peak SOVL and peak soulless at the same time. Forced SOVL? Fake SOVL? SOVLless?

>>713266789
Whatever it is, it's definitely not Penis nor Cock, even.

>>713266756
>disingenuous yawntard outside vp
Go back to your sharty discord fag.

>>713266861
Wrong

>>713266923
Holy shit.

>>713266301
FRLG was such a weird case. Artistically it felt too clean, like it lost the grit and atmosphere RBY had, especially with that weird-ass Sevii Islands filler. Gen 3 overall had real soul though — the spritework peaked, the music was god-tier, and the world actually had identity. Honestly, walking through Mt. Pyre or diving under the ocean with that haunting theme hit way harder than anything post-Gen 4 even attempted. You probably checked out right before things exploded in mechanical complexity with Gen 4 and 5. Shame, because then it just nosedived into baby's-first-JRPG territory after Gen 6.

>>713266991
>here's your mechanically complex gameplay bro

>>713263164
>>Only other generation with two starting area birds
Both are two stage and one is a water type as well. Also wingull isn't an early area bird in the same sense, it's an "everywhere" mon.
>>Only other gen with two starting area bug shitters
It has one bug with a split evolution tree. Beyond being a bug there's very little similarity to caterpie and weedle.
>>Decoys retreading the DNA theme of Mewtwo
Deoxys is a mutant alien virus, mewtwo is a mew that was genetically altered at birth.
They're thematically different and mewtwo itself didn't have DNA in its design.
>>repurposed a lot of scrapped designs from gen 1 and 2 (the Eel became Huntail and Gorebyss, the haunted doll became Banette, the anchor shark became Sharpedo, etc)
Scrapped designs don't belong to a generation.
>>most of the region follows the same formula as Kanto down to it's format on land on a different path
Which is a completely meaningless statement.

>>713266991
>gen 5
>mechanical complexity
AHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>713266314
For me, it was how Unova just didn't feel very interesting to explore as a region since most everything was laid out in plain sight. I missed digging through all the hidden nooks and crannies of Sinnoh, following paths that potentially led nowhere just for the chance at an extra Rare Candy.

>>713266408
>You mean it was pure soul
Soul is when they make a mechanic that adds to the game. Restricting what you can capture doesn't.

>>713255087
Jasmine is pure and not for lewding.

you know yawnie's asshurt when she replies to a post more than once

>>713245829 (OP)
Gen 8
>hurdur Gen 6
Mediocre, but still had
-Good Regional Dex with a lot of Pokémon available
-Mega Evolutions
-Optional Exp Share
-TMs were still infinite (thanks to Gen V introducing them)
-Hordes
-Character customization
-Fairy-type
-Pokerus was still in
-Online was free
-Can complete the Pokédex with Gen VI games
-Pokémon-Amie
-The maps didn't look like Garry's Mod trash like Arceus or SV
-The artstyle is just Gen 1~5 in full 3-D, decent
Definitely like it better than og versions of Gen 1 and 2.

>>713266203
You mean gen 4.
Gen 5 actually had battle facilities with a comparable amount of content.

>>713245829 (OP)
Gen 5 is the most SOUL pokemon ever had and it vanished entirely starting in Gen 6.

>>713246456
gen 2 had the prototypes for those but I wouldn't really count it as a real thing until gen 3

>>713267228
>can capture at night
>can't capture at day
it adds to the game

>>713267221
>it was how Unova just didn't feel very interesting to explore as a region since most everything was laid out in plain sight
That's the thing, unova was designed in a way where everything of interest was hidden off to the side being almost completely optional like mistralton cave or the abyssal ruins. It had a lot of those hidden nooks and crannies but the problem is that no one bothered to explore because of the circle meme.

>>713265959
its kinda funny that both of lillies parents are total fuckwits like the dad just fucks off to a random island

>>713267552
>actively restricting the player for no reason adds to the game by taking away from it
Sure.
You know what was "soulful"? Sleeping wild pokemon. Had they actually made use of that outside of headbutt trees instead of just making mon unavailable then there wouldn't have been a problem.

>>713245829 (OP)
>platinum being a great game
Nope. But the complete downward trend did start with Gen IV. Gen III gave us 60 fps and the last time Pokemon designs felt like Pokemon, but removed the day-night cycle and Crystal's animated sprites, making it a side-grade graphically actually. Gen 2 had ONLINE through the Mobile GB.

>>713255000
Precisely.

>>713267713
Yeah, but they're usually so obvious to spot. Nothing like finding hidden paths through trees or needing multiple HM moves to reach a single item you likely won't need or use.

>>713245829 (OP)
SwSh. The worst mainline pokmon games ever. At least Toxtricity is one of the best pokemon ever

>>713267316
gen 4 at least added them back in platinum and kept them for HGSS which only had a tower in crystal originally

focusing on battle mechanics and terrible fucking stories over having actual fun worlds to explore from gen 5 on killed it

>>713267876
you're not restricted, you can still capture them

>>713267989
SwSh had some really good mons but man the rest of the game is putrid dogshit story routes dungeons everything

>>713254603
>xhe gatekeeps for free in the name of xis multibillion yen fief lord company

>>713268076
>SwSh had some really good mons
yeah like centiscortch and corviknight and uhhh Runerigus and uhhhhhhhhhhhhh dreadnaw i guess

>>713256472
>Coomertrash
The fuck are you on about, Cynthia is a perfectly normal and safe design.
She barely shows any skin and she is not some kind of tittymonster either.

>>713268692
>Runerigus
Who's the retard that decided that the trigger for evolution should be walking under some random stone arch when Galar Yamask has almost no HP?

>>713245829 (OP)
Gen II was when it became more than just a passion project, so Gen II. Tajiri was the soul of pokemon, same as kaneko was for smt. They're gone now and behold, the franchises have gone to shit with none of the magic that made them good.

>>713256472
just because you jack off daily to the comic of her beating and raping lucas dosent mean shes coomertrash shes a pretty normal design in game

>>713268692
Raboot Corviknight Camorant Centiskorch Runerigus Alcremie Cursola Sirfetched Dragapult Zacian

>>713268918
Tajiri was already gone by Gen2 after his plan to make a sequel where you could explore all of Japan fell apart on logistics.

>>713266991
People tend to forget that visually, Emerald is inferior to Ruby and Sapphire because they changed the tilework as a whole

>>713268072
No, no you can't. The encounter rates for certain pokemon drop to zero depending on the time of day.

>>713267221
But everything about Unova requires you to go off your way to find. Especially with TMs beyond cut being unnecessary for progressing, and moreso tailored for exploration.

>>713254221
>Time based events are cool.
sure and then you miss the event and have to wait 24 hours. so fun
thank god you can just change the clock

>>713269337
Anon, it's like 90% the same other than a select few areas like meteor falls which isn't a blinding piss yellow anymore.

ORAS was the last game I actually cared about. I still occasionally give it a replay.
I wish gym leader rematches were included but other than that it's near perfect.

>>713254726
you forgot
>the GTA/Yakuza route. like that one fist of the north star yakuza game

>>713269495
I will always be mad at people excusing the lack of emerald content in ORAS because "its not an emerald remake" shit that carried over to future remakes

>>713269487
They reverted that in ORAS btw

>>713268076
It was kinda heavy on the furry bait end but most of the new mons are cool

>>713269608
It's not abhorrent in ORAS but it pretty much ruined BDSP

For me the answer is Gen 5, even though Gen 5 obviously had a lot of work on it and were solid games. But this is when the presentation just felt a lot less soulful to me. I still really like the presentation of Gen 4 and it still feels kind of classic. Diamond/Pearl despite being flawed games just look and sound really nice and charming.

I find it hard to articulate why Gen 5 felt like such a shift in presentation to me, despite being on the same system. I dont know, it just feels really different.

>>713269608
Other than the frontier and the legendaries, what did Emerald add?

>>713269703
PLA ruined BDSP

>>713269703
That's because Emerald didn't actually change much from Ruby and Sapphire.
Meanwhile Platinum made huge changes to Diamond and Pearl, and DP were dogshit games.

>>713269818
Exactly my point

>>713267316
The facilities in 5 are shit and literally none of them have replay value

>>713269180
>Dragapult
i fuckin hate dragapult hes so dumb how do you fuck up stealth bomber dragon
the baby missle thing is really goofy on what could have been a cool mon and the ghost tail feels like its there purely because of the typing

>>713264874
Nah Sun and Moon have soul and a lot of attention to detail put into them, but they are just slow and a slog to get through. Even the new Pokemon from Alola are slow due to shitty speed stats.

>>713269948
BW2 has a repeatable dungeon with trainers where you gain exp and the path is different each time, and the World Tournament where you face every single champion.

>>713245829 (OP)
5>2≥3>7>4≥1>9>6>8

>>713253446
It was already a done and over with fad before R/S released, only dedicated pokemon fans cared by that point.

>>713269740
Expanded safari zone
Battle tents
Mirage tower
Desert underpass
New layout for mossdeep gym and they had more than two shitmon
The magma hideout and the encounter at mossdeep

>>713254603
gen 5 is the reason why pokemon is shit lol

>>713269287
My nigger, the OP asked when it lost its soul. I said Gen II. You are agreeing with me without even realizing.

>>713269948
That's how everyone feels about gen 4's frontier.
Meanwhile gen 5's actually had replayability and the black and white towers are the best grinding spot in the game.

>>713270453
No, that's how everyone feels about 5's. I see people do the Factory in 4 all the time. No one gives a fuck about a dungeon without level scaling, or the PWT lmao

>>713270362
>Expanded safari zone
It's still dogshit so it didn't fix any of its problems
>Battle tents
These are just demo battle frontier modes.
>Mirage Tower
It doesn't have anything but a fossil.
>Desert underpass
Fossil and ditto how riveting.
>New layout for mossdeep gym and they had more than two shitmon
I'll give you this one.
>The magma hideout and the encounter at mossdeep
I'll give you this one too albeit they cut Courtney entirely from Emerald.

>>713245829 (OP)
I am old enough to remember pokemon begining in my country.
people went mad with those 150 (+1) pokemon, their rock/paper/scissors fight system.
but then:
>oh wait, there are more pokimon!
>another island! more pokemon!
>and more pokemon!
do you still have money? well
>THERE ARE MORE (...)
fuck it

>>713270152
>and the World Tournament where you face every single champion.
Not only that but it also had some of the gimmick modes people look for in the frontier like rentals, type restricted and mix where you swap a mon with your opponent. Then you have the subway as the tower expy and the battle test and it just makes gen 4 look like a joke.

>>713269378
and some weren't even in the game and you had to trade with friends to get, which also added to the game

>>713270543
>nobody gives a fuck about the best post-game mode made
let's dial down the autism Yawnie you need a reality check.

>>713269420
It's not really "out of your way" if you're already seeing how to get there from a mile away. Meanwhile, Sinnoh had all kinds of obscure areas that don't immediately present themselves, like that rocky area south of the resort beach or the entire eastern route leading to the Shaymin event that you wouldn't even notice at first glance. Basically, there's no sense of blind exploration in Unova as you see most of everything immediately.

>>713270713
Correct, there's multiple people streaming the Factory in Emerald, Platinum, and HGSS right now. No one's replaying BW2's dogshit facilities

>>713270742
Dunno you have to go out of your way to find the Landorus shrine up in that secret ravaged village, navigating the waterfalls.

>>713270603
>It's still dogshit so it didn't fix any of its problems
One of the major issues at the time was the availability of gen 2 mon, the expansion fixed it so you don't have to get the GC games.
Also the entire safari zone was removed in ORAS meaning there's less content in general.
>These are just demo battle frontier modes
Yeah and they're also content separate from the frontier.
>It doesn't have anything but a fossil
That's the final reward for the dungeon, yes but it's an entire dungeon with a cracked floor puzzle and it's own encounter tables.
>Fossil and ditto how riveting.
Still an area and had it been in ORAS it could have been expanded.

>>713270543
>I see people do the Factory in 4 all the time.
Where in your head? No one plays gen 4 anymore unless they're some kind of poke tuber doing a challenge.

thoughts?

>>713271061
Lmao, literally right now you dumb faggot. I have never seen anyone play the PWT or Subway

>>713270941
That admittedly is one of Unova's very few moments where you get rewarded for traveling the path unseen.

>>713246125
This but from the artstyle and design choices imo.

>>713270742
>Sinnoh had all kinds of obscure areas that don't immediately present themselves,
It's pretty much only fuego everything else is out in the open. I mean, you literally pass by that entrance to the shaymin path on the way to the end of the game but it's blocked off

>>713270867
Checked to see if that was true and it's just a bunch of nerds shiny hunting and Pokemon TCG, thanks for wasting my time.

>>713269337
I don't get what people's issue with the Ruby/Sapphire text typeface was. I think the tall letters look cute and unique as far as low-res pixel typefaces go and are perfectly legible. Emerald's looks blander to me in comparison.

>>713271151
>literally right now you dumb faggot
So you are imagining them.

>>713271174
You wouldn't even know that single blocked cave leads to an entirely new route on your first blind pass.

Gen I was obviously great.
Gen II was ambitious, but failed at the execution. Going back to Kanto felt pointless.
Gen III was a soft reboot and mostly succeeded at it. Hoenn was a great region very different from Kanto and Johto. For better or worse it laid the blueprint/formula for all future games to follow. Pokemon design peaked here having almost all Pokemon look cool without making them jobmons. Also introduced remakes which were still good back then.
Gen IV is a mixed bag. The main games are bad. Platinum fixed most of their problems, but the Pokemon designs and Sinnoh as a whole still suck. The Gen II remakes help with making both Johto and Kanto feel less empty than they were in the original games.
Gen V is a weird one. Black and White are just fine, nothing more and nothing less, but their sequels are probably the best games in the franchise. Sadly the designs of the new Pokemon are mostly bad. Also great music.
Gen VI looks really great due to being on the 3DS and it brought some much needed innovation with Mega Evolutions, yet the games themselves are very bland and also too easy. The Gen III remakes focused on the wrong things. They added a lot of stuff, yet also removed important shit like Battle Frontier. Might be the first remakes where the original version (or Emerald in this case) are the superior choice.
Gen VII added even more innovation with Island Challenges and Z-Moves. But neither comes anywhere close to being as good of an addition as Mega Evolution. It is extremely slow and tedious to play through, but has a great region, with great lore and a great story. Just like Gen VI the original Sun and Moon are too easy, but the "improved" versions at least fix this problem and add a lot of extra stuff, while regrettably making the story worse, the pacing even more tedious and removing the fun Zygarde collecting aspect (no the sticker shit isn't even half as engaging).
Can't comment on the rest since I never finished a game after Ultra Sun and Moon.

>>713245829 (OP)
pokemon black and white two

>>713271064
Imo
Mudkip > Oshawoot > Squirtle > Froakie > Totodile > Piplup > Poplio > Sobble

>>713245829 (OP)
5 for me (and I assume most people my age (31)).
Not that it was bad, but it felt like a departure.
Objectively, probably 6, even though I quite liked gen 6. I really started disliking gens 7+

>>713245829 (OP)
The answer is gen 6. Up until gen 5 it felt like GF cared for each game, although the quality definitely wavered in gens 4-5. And Gen 5 was a fucking mess for sure, it was objectively a failure but I still give GF some credit for actually trying to shake things up.
That's more than I can say for every game since gen6 onwards, where it's just rehashing the same boring shit each generation with one gimmick tacked on.

>>713271064
3 > 2 > 6 > 7 > 5 > 4 > 1 > 8

>>713271296
Kind of a moot point because you know something exists there with enough importance to be locked off.
It's not like say, mistralton cave, the abyssal ruins or the abundant shrine where you would never even see it if you didn't go off the beaten path.
Hell I wonder how many people even found the rock outside pinwheel forest.

>>713265959
Male BAD
Female GOOD
Deal with it

>>713245829 (OP)
>when did pokemon lose its soul?
The first one was the only one with soul.

>>713245829 (OP)

When I saw the gen 3 covers where the art and framing of Kyogre and Groudon make them look like plastic toys rather than badass monsters.

>>713271247
I'm sorry you're retarded and unable to use a search engine.
>>713271194
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDnqjiC58Wg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBROSXgXCy0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeUVhCbTsyo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53I2zgsmP44
lol now show me one person doing the boring ass pwt in the last month, faggot

>>713245829 (OP)
gen 3. GS set a standard for me that was pretty much never repeated. At the time I had no idea Kanto was going to open up after Hoenn, it was magical. But then after that every game was self-contained even though the tech was better. It just felt off. As I grew older I didn't care much for the new starters.

for me, it's RB/GS/FRLG/HGSS/Evee

>>713271747
The soul in question being the Champion having a Rhydon with Leer on his team.

>>713271836
I love this bait image

>>713271061
diamond and pearl have more reason to play them than black and white better map, better glitches, and ribbons

>>713271960
>>>>YouTube videos
So not streams got it.

>>713245829 (OP)
Gen 5 felt like we have pokemon at home.

>>713272194
No, no they don't. Especially with BDSP existing.

>>713271397
I'm 32, and I saw gen 5 as a return to form and the basics. >150 new monsters that actually looked stylistically different from what came before in a refreshing way, a renewed focus on being a fucking JRPG with a story that perhaps bit off more than the Pokemon franchise with its kid-friendly image could realistically chew, and a game engine that wasn't slow as molasses and actually encouraged you to play rather than make you constantly wait.

>>713245829 (OP)
1994. Before Gen 1 was even made.
>BUT CHARIZARD IS THE BEST! KANTOOOOOO
Yeah, watered down Dragon Quest enemies with over 70% of them all having Akira Toriyama triangle eyes, cool. Get better taste in monsters. Play fucking Robopon or Capcom's Metal Walker.

>>713272438
>>150 new monsters that actually looked stylistically different
most of them are literally gen 1 mons re-imagined

>>713272274
Incredible cope

>>713272393
bdsp has missing ribbons and no bases
but that too, is better to replay than black and shite

>>713269287
>>713268918
>after his plan to make a sequel where you could explore all of Japan fell apart on logistics
Tahiri didn't even want to work on a sequel in the first place (he said after finishing the original games that he was done with pokemon) and was basically pressured to work into one, and then he left after the spaceworld beta (probably because he didn't really care as he had already finished his dream project) and then development started from scratch without him under Masuda.

>>713272598
Crazy how most of the Gen 5 pokemon are more interesting

>>713272194
Eh, nah
Worse map, worse music, worse pokemon and the awful poke god plot, being locked out of the post game and evos until you see every pokemon
It's awful.

>>713272718
>Crazy how most of the Gen 5 pokemon are more interesting
no I really don't think so.

>>713272598
>most of them are literally gen 1 mons re-imagined
There's less of those than there are in gen 4.

>>713272793
This. Also the fact that Diamond & Pearl are way too slow in both traversing the overworld and also the battles (This is fixed in Platinum)

>>713272793
eh yeah
better map, better side activities, better music, better pokemon, doesn't waste your time as much with 3 faggot rivals on every route
black and white are the worst pokemon games ever made

>>713272793
No way are the map or Pokemon better. Univa’s soulless city slop

>>713272605
>JP niggers
You should try better next time.

>>713272814
Respectfully, Zubat is just a blue bat with no eyes.

>>713272598
Most mog their gen 1 counterparts desu

>>713272551
dwm has always been superior purely because you can breed.

>>713272965
Sure it is, especially since you aren't lugging around half a team of HM slaves and crisscrossing through a mountain every five minutes.
Sinnoh's map was designed to be as unfun as possible to traverse.

>>713273008
>still coping
You lost

>>713272965
>city slop
this how do you have an "adventure" in a mutt shithole city you traverse in a straight line kek

>>713273134
crisscrossing is very good and in no point do you need an hm slave you must be shit at the games

>>713273165
Where do you guys bet every Sawk gets its clothes from?

>>713272918
>better map
BW's yeah. Visually it doesn't look like a gen 3 map either.
>better side activities
Again, something BW has over DP.
>better music
I know music is subjective but you're about 1 of the 5 people in the entire world who's say this.
>better pokemon
1/3rd of sinnoh if not more are cross evos and legendaries, lmao.
>doesn't waste your time as much with 3 faggot rivals on every route
BW only has two rivals, N is an antagonist. And this in part is why nobody really cares for Barry.

>>713273404
>nope, unova's map is galar tier
>nope, the music shit sucked ass and the DW is gone lmao
>nope, everyone agrees with me
>nope, 90% of unovamons look like ugly copy and pastes right down the the lucario clone they failed with
>nope, cheren/bianca/n are all gay niggers that deserve death

>>713272965
>Univa’s soulless city slop
It also has rivers, dense forests, deserts, electromagnetic caves, an entire traversable mountain, a chasm, several rural towns, beaches, oceans, bridges, towers, graveyard, it's pretty much what Pokemon Gen 3 and 4 offered but in bigger, more dense quantities.

>>713246928
Then that would be gen 5.

Gen 1 and Gen 2 are based in the IRL Kanto and Johto regions.

Gen 3 is based on the Kyushu region in the south

Gen 4 is based on Hokkaido in the north

I don't disagree with that assessment, but maybe you should actually research the shit you say before you come off as a retard

>Inb4 I'm being a know-it-all prick
Don't care. Don't say stupid shit so you won't get called out on it, fag.

>>713273646
>bro there's a desert straight outside jew york city
yeah that's when pokemon died

>>713245829 (OP)
Gen V.
The designs are D-tier

>>713272918
>better map,
Not with all of those hm requirements.
>better side activities,
It only really had contests and bases, both of which has their interesting parts cut out.
Meanwhile in black and white you had the entralink missions, the poke transfer minigame, musicals, quite a handful of endgame fights with characters like Cynthia and Morimoto
>better music,
Nah gen 4's music was synthy garbage.
The best comparison is Cynthia's theme since it exists in both but doesn't sound like shit in gen 5.
>better pokemon,
Its the generation that stands out the most with out of place and cluttered designs. There's a reason why people started calling them Digimon or saying that they're overdesigned with that gen.
>doesn't waste your time as much with 3 faggot rivals on every route
Instead you have an encounter every named npc every single route and town.

>>713273559
>nope, cheren/bianca/n are all gay niggers that deserve death
I'm sorry for your region not having any characters worth speaking of beyond Cynthia.

>>713245829 (OP)
>gen 2
Yeah the most soulless rehash is a great example

>>713273819
America unironically has a lot of deserted areas so it's oddly fitting they put in one. Also >>>Hoenn desert

I like how overly sensitive gen 4 fans are

>>713274037
>Also >>>Hoenn desert
Lol no, you only say that because the Desert is the o my good part in BW and still feels out of pace as fuck

>>713245878
Sw/Sh for me. The first few hours were absolutely insufferable, characters were awful, and the new pokemon looked awful. I like SuMo though, but I assumed it's shortcomings were just because it was a 3DS game. Then the switch games ended up being even more dumbed down, and that's where I stepped away from the series.

I might play Pokemon Champions though, as I do have a lot of Pokemon in home.

gen 4
t. zoomer
I like it, but that's where the decline started.

>>713274274
>you only say that because the Desert is the o my good part in BW
Hardly, it is great and memorable but I like Chargestone Cave more

>>713274347
I hated SM and SwSh just felt like more of that with missing pokedex

when palworld an indie game did a better and enjoyable game, pokeslop is the bottom of barrel trash hell even yw2 and 4 is better than any pkmn game

Gen 3 was the beginning of the end, Gamefreak's soul died after Heartgold and Soulsilver

5-8 are varying degrees of slop

>>713274934
Now if only that actually happened.

>>713274934
...and other pretty lies you keep telling yourself, survival crafting slop is even worse than the bottom of the barrel, sloppiest Pokemon game that is let's go Eevee and Pikachu.

>>713274934
TRVKE

>>713245829 (OP)
When you grew up

>>713273906
>Not with all of those hm requirements.
yeap even with those
>the entralink missions, the poke transfer minigame, musicals, quite a handful of endgame fights
man you're really scraping bottom of the barrel with the transfer minigame holy fuck
i'll take the better musicals, bases, slots, vs seeker, better transfers, under, lottery, pokeradar over uh....elite 4 rematches and extralink missions you cant do on your own lol
>The best comparison is Cynthia's theme
i know, its sad that song ended up mogging everything else in gen 5 because its ost was so bad
>Its the generation that stands out the most with out of place and cluttered designs
that would be 5 with every water, fighting flying, starter, ice, and legendary mon looking awful
>encounter every named npc every single route and town
you could count every forced named npc encounter and it would still be less than just the faggy rivals have doe

>>713271981
>Eevee
Nice try

pokefags never had standards

>>713277874
>vs seeker, better transfers, under, lottery, pokeradar over uh.
And you're saying he's scraping the bottom of the barrel? Look at what you listed here
>battles
>battles
>capture the flag
>text box
>battles

>>713277874
>better musicals, bases, slots
Can we talk about how all of these are worse in gen 4 compared to gen 3?

>>713278038
all better than a shitty slingshot game and local minigames yeah

>>713245829 (OP)
The problem is that Pokemon got too big. It's owned by Creatures Inc., Game Freak and Nintendo. It has to time its releases with an anime, cards and other merchandise so there's no delays allowed. The games are so far down their list of priorities that they're tertiary compared to the rest of the franchise.

>>713277874
>better transfers
Nigga what? It wasn't even a minigame. You just went around the Palpark catching pokemon like normal and god forbid if you had a legend because their encounter rate was abysmal. Not to mention it was just ONE transfer per day.
There's a reason why people hated it over the poketransfer minigame.

>>713278290
>don't need 2 consoles
>don't have to waste time with a mini game
>day limit is easly bypassed
yep, it's better

>be me
>play scarlet when it drips
>recognize and laugh at its bugs and flaws but actually have fun with it
>decide to replay it on switch 2
>all the charm is gone and its just an empty boring piece of shit for babies

>>713278262
>The games are so far down their list of priorities
Anon, the games are top priority. That's why everything has to work around them and not the other way around. Without the games the series can't stand on its own.

>>713278434
SV on the Switch 2 reminds me of an upscaled PS2 game with a homebrewed 60fps patch running through PSCX2

>>713278395
>>don't have to waste time with a mini game
Instead you have to spend more time because anything that isn't a first stage pokemon has a hideously low encounter rate.
>>day limit is easly bypassed
Yeah because
>do palpark
>turn off system
>change date
>start game
>do palpark
Is better and considerably less tedious than just being able to do it without having to restart he system.

>>713245829 (OP)
Gen 3 when they switched to the gay modern art style
There's a reason the gen 2 remakes were heart and soul

>>713278617
>dont need 2 consoles
>can mindlessly run around in grass instead of focusing on an awful shitty mini game
yep its better

>>713278262
>there's no delays allowed.
Of course they can delay games you fucking idiot. Also you know we're going on like 3 years without a new game, right?

>>713278754
>>can mindlessly run around in grass instead of focusing on an awful shitty mini game
Which you can't because each mon spawns in a specific place in the park, couple that with the low encounter rate and you're spending triple the same amount of time transferring 6 pokemon that it takes to transfer 24 in BW

>>713278964
>Which you can't
yes you can
sorry faggot dont need 2 consoles nor forced to play a terrible stylus game
you lost
also
>can't transfer hold items
fucking kek it's worse than i even remembered

>>713278712
This, also all the male trainers look like feminine faggots now, back in the old gens you could tell that they were a boy at a glance.

>>713279424
>Fagot

>>713249553
>Ah yes, Gen 1. The generation of sovl.
Heh...yep.

>>713279710
I agree with the overall sentiment of the image, but the wording is extremely reddit-esque, and this proves it.

>>713252574
>"muh Digimon boogeymon"
peak genwunner cope

>>713254291
>Audino
sex

>>713279407
>yes you can
No, no you can't. That's why you can't refute it and have to grasp straws with two systems and held items that you're already going to have in the new game.

>>713279897
This is the game they're gassing up?

>>713280390
>No, no you can
yeah, tes you can
grass>shitty stylus game, and that's on top of it have more functionality and not needing 2 consoles

>>713273906
>Its the generation that stands out the most with out of place and cluttered designs. There's a reason why people started calling them Digimon or saying that they're overdesigned with that gen.
Stop the bullshit. Gen 5 is well known for being the only dex that flopped, you 5fags are still mindbroken over muh Genwunners to this day.

>>713278130
Can we talk about how you find EV reducing berries in Black and White?

So to neurotypical Pokémon fans, something losing its soul means it switching from watercolor to digital?

>>713280930
You mean by getting a bunch from npcs daily rather than waiting 3 days to grow them for a lower yield?

>>713245829 (OP)
The amount of soul is correlated with the number of non-mobile spinoffs Pokemon has gotten.

>>713281661
You use berries?

>>713281661
no one gives out a pomeg berry though nor are they renewable in in bw

>>713282195
Can someone check which generation has the most spinoffs im too lazy to do it myself

>>713281006
It means going from this >>713280470 to this >>713264534

Btw since you seem to be a slow kid: both of these are digital.

>>713282525
It's either 3 or 4 because that's when they made Rangers, PMD, and literal tech demos like Trozei

>>713267989
It really is

>>713255323
that's nice honey but the waves of drooling retards that currently dump their wallets at their doorstep have zero interest in video games and will turn around and leave the moment a new trend makes a bigger splash. it's the consequence of turning your back on your fans to go for mass appeal and cater to the lowest common denominator

>>713282525
Depends on if you're going by series or raw number.
For the former it's probably something like
>3>1>5>4>2>6>8>9>7

>>713267989
>that ugly trash
>one of the best ever
They succeeded in finding/keeping their furry audience, that's about all.

>>713245829 (OP)
Look at those beautiful, evocative watercolor arts. IDK, when Sugimori lost hope and stopped painting.

>>713283414
>watercolor arts
get the fuck off /v/ you brown ESL taco snorter

>>713283734
bro is just saying words at this point

>>713282629
>and literal tech demos like Trozei
*Dash

>>713256584
This is really what makes a good sequel to any game, but for Pokemon, it'll never happen again.

>>713255323
Isn’t most of their revenue from shitty gacha spinoffs and fat women buying Pikachu plushies?

>>713256584
>and it's a whole new discovery we didn't know last gen.
The problem is that a lot of gen 2 additions broke what they set up before like kangaskhan and mewtwo being the result of live birth rather than eggs but now with gen 2 saying every pokemon comes from an egg it just doesn't work. Same with the local fauna in kanto just changing over two years if they wanted to do the "pokemon hiding in kanto" thing then they would have say, had an earthquake or something reveal a new cave system with new pokemon inside.
That's the main problem with gen 2 it doesn't feel exciting to look, search and find new things in areas we've already been to and it feels lazy rather than a new place with new things to do and try to find these new things.

That's why pokemania was killed early.