Thread 713247638

NVIDIA should be worried.

>>713247638 (OP)
NVIDIA will be fine. They have an army of braindead loyalists.
That said I'm happy with my 9070.

if they made a 9090 xtx or fuck, even a 9070 xtx I'd be first in line to buy that shit

Nvidia is the second largest company on Earth. They don't give a shit about about videogames anymore

>>713247638 (OP)
>92% of the market are fanboys
cope amdjeet

>>713247638 (OP)
too weak of a card
amd should've made something at 5080/4090 performance then it would've been interesting

I only buy x800 gpus because everything else is trash.

>>713247839
Not like it would actually matter. AMD beat Nvidia outright with RDNA2 and everyone still bought Ampere. People with RTX 3060s will tell you without a hint of self-awareness that no AMD GPU can handle raytracing. Even with Nvidia's drivers in shambles since the 5000 series launch people still run the same memes that Nvidia drivers are perfect and AMD's are constantly fucking up. The only way AMD could actually get out of the underdog corner would be for Nvidia to exit the market entirely, and people would still say that you should just pay the premium for a five-figure Nvidia enterprise AI card before considering AMD.

>>713248719
GPU fanboyism is the most retarded thing to happen to PC gaming. Any brand faboyism is bad, but GPU fanboyism is especially bad. I blame the sudden influx of consoletards during the 8th gen.

>>713247638 (OP)
yeah nvidia totally worried saar

>>713249047
what gpu do you have?

>>713248719
>Nvidia's drivers in shambles since the 5000 series
you keep repeating this lie over and over,

>>713247790
wait what since fucking when

>>713247638 (OP)
Yeah, worried about where to put all their container ships full of money.
Pic unrelated?

>>713247638 (OP)
RX9080XT 24GB with 4090's raster performance or fuck off

>>713249870
Nope, let's use the silicon to make 8GB GPUs in 2025

>>713247638 (OP)
I'm still using a 1060 6GB.

>>713247638 (OP)
this card is worse than the 7900XTX before it: by being more expensive, performing worse and having far less VRAM
this card also loses in a 20 game average at 1440p to a 5070; the card they all said was 'bad'
this graphics card is a piece of shit and if you think it is good you have been warped by shill tech youtubers

>>713247638 (OP)
It’s a good card but that’s not enough to beat brand loyalty in an increasingly indian and chinese world.

>>713250575
obsessed

>>713250780
case in point

the chinese and indians are the most brand loyal nations according to studies, probably due to the scam culture making people avoid risk

>>713247638 (OP)
>8% market share
>projected to go as low as 6% by the end of year

AMD should be worried bro, imagine buying an AMD gpu with literally no software support
they cant even make FSR4 to work with modern games

>>713247638 (OP)
They aren't. AMD can't into AI and that's NVidia's sole focus now.

>>713249695
Since never. Anon is referring to their stock valuation.

>>713251472
>AMD can't into AI
They people who mindlessly regurgitate this are the people too stupid to download and run a local model from git

>>713251737
>referring to their stock valuation
so like every other company on earth? you amd retards are so fucking braindead

>>713247638 (OP)
>NVIDIA should be worried.
You guys have been saying this for the past decade and Nvidia's gaming market monopoly has only grown with time.
>>713248719
>AMD beat Nvidia outright with RDNA2
RDNA was stuck on FSR2-3 and had worse RT performance. DLSS on its own was enough to sway people towards Nvidia.

>>713247638 (OP)
I'm a proompter, I just want nVidia cards with more VRAM for less money, the more competitive AMD is, the happier I am

>>713252078
Poverty fag detected. Companies are their total employees and assets, not their stock value in a bubble.

>>713249047
How young are you? The original 5000 vs 9000 fight between nVidia and ATi 22 years ago was full of not only fanboys but literal paid nVidia shills.

>>713252197
ok ill take the bait. who is the most valuable company on earth right now? name the top 3

>>713252257
Learn to read, shitskin. The crux of the issue is company size, again, not valuation.

>>713251796
are you retarded? there is no magical software that makes AMD as fast and nvidia in AI

>>713252348
>Learn to read

maybe you try that? you have no ida how the real word works you larping faggot

>>713251796
"Just werks" level software support is all that matters, and while most newer AMD cards can be made to work, they almost always require workarounds or weird configuration tweaks that people just don't want to deal with.
NVidia is the default option for anything AI because their shit is well documented and well understood by now, as everyone's been using CUDA for ages.

>>713252356
>doubling down on being a clueless retard


>>713252413
Company size and valuation are different things, shitskin. You can't even coherently follow 3 simple posts without having a melanin meltdown.

>>713252415
You say all this and I know for an absolute fact you can't do a single thing with pytorch. Don't bluff.

>>713247638 (OP)
>Still sells above MSRP
Worried about what?

>>713252348
Market capitalization is the golden standard for the last 50 years. You AMD faggot live in another reality it seems.

>>713252561
>making the same retarded circular argument yet again
Stock valuation was literally not ever relevant. You said they were the second biggest company in the world. They aren't. These are two entirely different things and you conflated them because you aren't white.

>>713250780
This, really
>Chinese starting to buy games
>Indians starting to make games
>Koreans starting to make games
(what men want. )

Meanwhile
>Americans seething at those people

Lol.

>>713252654
what do you think that "biggest" means you dumb retard?
jesus fuck just kill yourself you dumb underaged faggot amd apologist

>>713252743
Words have meaning, pablo. Think about that before you come back and shit up an English language website.

why the fuck would anyone buy an AMD GPU?

for 100$ you get better RT, better AI, DLSS, DLAA, cuda cores for workstations etc..

>>713252805
why are you larping that you are white and everyone else is brown? typical election faggot tourist only knows how to polpost

>>713252874
>waaaaah don't make fun of meeeeeeee
lol

NVIDIA should be worri -ACK

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/amds-discrete-desktop-gpu-market-share-hits-all-time-low-as-nvidia-extends-its-lead

>>713251796
Does ROCm even work on windows yet?
Did they fix support for the navi series that randomly broke one update?
On linux with my 7900xtx most of that stuff works fine these days, mostly, but my experience with running that stuff on AMD's consumer hardware is YMMV.

B770 is coming.
Pretty hyped for benchmarks.

>>713247638 (OP)
So scary

>>713253074
it doesn't even work on linux
>have to compile it against a specific distro
>only supports few gpus even from the same gen
>support for older gpus is dropped while they're still on the shelves
afaik rdoa4 is still not supported which is hysterical

>>713252943
why do AMD shills ignore this news? i have seen this posted at least 10 times in GPU wars threads and AMD shills just pretend it doesn't exist

>>713253074
>>713253290
if you watch Geohot streams you will see how fucked rocm is

AMD is literally 10 years behind Nvidia

only they are better all things consider
if shits are the same price and same performance
then I would grab green by default
the only time I would ever consider getting red is when its cheaper and/or better
I was considering 9070xt at first but after everyone online keep shilling it non stop the price shot up and it the same as 5070ti anyway

>>713253074
ROCm is a pointless and shouldn't even be considered, a total novelty. You just run a build actually compiled for your hardware, which for every single public inferencing or LLM is incredibly simple

ROCm was just a marketing pipedream for closed source enterprise and HPC software which is totally bespoke anyway

>>713252808
Drivers being part of the kernel was for me the reason to buy an AMD card.

>>713252693
Gook and chink games are just jap games made abroad. Good for them, jap games are generally speaking good.

>>713253560
ok then, enjoy your exclusive AMD features like... FSR4 i guess (lol)

you cant AI
you cant DLAA
you cant NVEC
you cant DLSS
you cant CUDA
you cant RT

>>713253343
they're mostly mentally ill or paid shills and sometims both
most don't even own current amd trash because they're broke

>>713253780
how do AMD sirs record video without NVENC? must be hell owning an AMD card

I own a 7900XTX and a 5080 and they are both fucked. I assume the 5080 will be fine eventually since it's just dogshit drivers that are the issue there, but the XTX is unstable at its factory OC (although I didn't have to reduce it by much to get it there). I hate this industry so much.

>>713253780
yeah, you are right, AMD cards are for gaming at home. The rest I can do at work and open a shell to a H200 cluster.

>>713254132
>AMD cards are toys

thanks for proving my point

>>713254109
AMD has their own suite of hardware video encoding and decoding accelerators
Stop being stupid, low effort posts are for retards.

>>713254235
>NVENC (Nvidia's hardware encoder) generally offers better performance and quality, particularly at lower bitrates, compared to AMD's hardware encoder, VCE (Video Coding Engine) and its successor, AMF (Advanced Media Framework). While AMD has made improvements, Nvidia's NVENC still tends to provide a more efficient and higher-quality encoding experience, especially for streaming and recording at lower bitrates.

yikes

>>713254175
Yes, the professional series for AI are the AMD Instinct accelerators.

>>713254350
Quantitative differences in speed and frame by frame quality are so nonexistent that people can't tell them apart if they aren't pre labeled. Intel's is also great. Even Qualcomm SoCs have this mastered. Its literally not even an issue.

>>713254548
if you say so sir

>>713254727
Yes, Nvidia marketing is going to make their own solution look the best. Its marketing, you dumb shitskin.

>>713253780
NVENC is extremely niche. I have never used it and I've only ever owned nvidia cards.
CPU encoding is way better.

No they shouldn't. This shit can't even do ray tracing

>>713253780
Not a shill at all™

>>713254845
you dumb nigger, steam recording, shadowplay, OBS, they all use NVENC if you have an nvidia card

CPU encoding is literally the worst you dumb retard

>>713254235
And they objectively, quantifiably suck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0pCpNT4b-Q

>>713247638 (OP)
AMD should've gotten the eva-o2 edition from rog's neon genesis collab.

>>713255007
the AMD shills will just pretend you didnt post this video

>>713254989
No, you retard. GPU encoding is fast, CPU encoding is higher quality, but if you have a modern many core CPU its always the best option

>>713255007
>look at my eceleb
No you AIDSfaggot

>>713247638 (OP)
I can't fucking buy this at MSRP because local retards keep buying it overpriced.

>>713255007
werks on my machine

yeah I'm thinking intel arc is better

>>713255080
guy covering tech news is an ecelb

lmao AMD sirs are getting desperate

>>713254869
better than 5070, 4070ti, 3090

>>713255080
>>713255098
The pretending has already begun

>nvidia thing pops up
>pc comes to a fucking grinding sluggish ult
epic

>>713255159
Your homosexual youtuber is an eceleb. Yes.
I professionally edited video for years for streaming media.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0pCpNT4b-Q
Even Intel STOMPS AMD's encoders LMAO

>>713255194
Now show the 4K results for Cyberpunk at FSR performance

>>713255301
do it yourself big shot

You know the card is good when there's an army of Nvidia shills in this thread lol

>>713255194
>1k card is 3% faster than a 750$ card

nice self own faggot

>>713255347
You're lucky to get 30-45fps max

>>713247638 (OP)
>NVIDIA should be worried.
The RX 9070 XT is the best GPU AMD has released in the past 20 years, but Nvidia enthusiasts are morons and will continue to pay the Nvidia tax anyway.

>>713255251
Quicksync is the main reason why intel igpus are actually useful unlike the amjeet trash in ryzen. LMAO imagine naming your product ryzen, it's like they put in charge some 12yo razer kid.

>>713255451
And it's gonna look like ass too because FSR is garbage lmao

>>713255414
card is so good that amd market share went from 14% to 8% when the card released

>>713255451
rather play Superposition or y-cruncher

>>713255194
I wish I bought a 4070 Ti Super for $700 when they were available last year

>>713251472
you said sole and I immediately thought of a fucking sexy foot in my face.

>>713255478
If you want raw performance you get nVidia.
If you want reasonable prices you get AMD.

>>713255517
Not my problem Nvidia has a retard monopoly. Keep wasting your money.

>>713255251
>3 year old video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkf7q4L5xl8

>>713255517
>Buy thing because everybody else does
Holy shit.

The massive youtuber shilling made me not buy this card and buy a 5070ti instead.

>>713255810
Made the right choice

>>713247638 (OP)
I don't think they care given that they moved 60% of their gaming GPU capacity over to manufacturing AI cards.
They're voluntarily vacating the gaming space because they don't give a fuck about it anymore.

>>713248719
RDNA2 was meh because FSR 1/2/3 sucked dick

>>713256384
Needing and wanting resolution scaling is the issue in the first place. You're incentivizing publishers pushing minimum viable product low performing shit into the market.

>>713256384
Every iteration of FSR has been significantly worse than its DLSS "counterpart"

>>713256384
>>713256460
this
Native res or bust.
DLSS/FSR should exclusively be used as an AA solution.

AI genning is too entertaining for me to not buy nvidia, yeah yeah amd CAN work but I don't want to do all this extra shit just to gen.

>>713255478
Not even close. 4870, 5870, 7970, 290x were way better. AMD has been half assing and just price matching Nvidia with a slight discount since the 5700xt and the failure of Vega.

>>713255575
AMD wins in both categories with the RX 9070 XT.

The next best card costs twice as much.

>>713255575
AMD is the same price tho

>>713254989
Are you retarded or something? Are you completely unaware that you (the user) can control what encoder is used in OBS? I don't have shadowplay because I am not a computer illiterate normie that installs Nvidia shitware.
CPU encoding is way higher quality, has better control over settings, etc.

>>713256856
>>713256839
5080 out performs the 9070 XT easily

>>713256708
As an RX 9070 XT owner, it's actually competitive with a 5070 ti in terms of slop generation, but yeah.
The hoops you have to jump through are substantial and AMD makes a point of bricking ZLUDA every driver update so you need to wait for the dev to work around whatever counter measure they put in.
Why is AMD intent on bricking ZLUDA? Who the fuck knows. You'd think they'd want their cards to be competitive in the slop sphere.

>>713255478
in most markets it cost almost the same sa 5070ti lmao
ayymd literally lied about its price and gave rebates for limited units at launch

>>713256923
Not by a huge margin and not proportional to how much more it costs.
The 9070 XT is a 5070 ti tier card, so comparing it to the 5080 is disingenuous.

>>713256460
>>713256526
DLSS let's you play at 4k with good image quality even using the performance mode with older cards. Native res is a thing of the past unless you're just stuck at 1080p which is ruined by TAA anyway.

>>713257017
Probably not for long when the effects of Nvidia's decision to stop making gaming cards starts being felt.
Not because the AMD cards will be a dcent price, but because the Nvidia ones will shoot way up again.

>>713256801
The 7970 was underwhelming enough that NVidia used their small 60-class chip (GK104) for the GTX 680 and it only really got good with the GHz Edition after bunch of price drops
The 290X was peak AMD housefire, barely beat the Titan, and immediately got its shit stomped by the Titan Black and 780Ti

>>713257061
Native res is only a thing of the past because you are financially rewarding slop selling publishers

>>713256923
5070ti already outperforms the 9070xt so I'm not sure what your point is?

>>713257103
>12GB of VRAM
lol

>>713257061
fuck off marketer

>>713253262
Keep coping, Njudeajeet

>>713257131
t. on a shitty 1080p ips display.

>>713257131
Cope, DLSS looks better than "native" now that forced TAA is on everything

>>713257128
5070 ti has 16GB, anon.
It overall outperforms the 9070 by about 5%, so it's essentially nothing.
The two cards are basically the same damn thing, so it's just a case of which you can get the best deal on and whether or not you care about CUDA.

Would a 9060 be good for me if I like playing triple a slop at 1080p?

>>713257209
How does 1707x960 look better than 1440p

>>713257230
No, 9070 or bust

>>713257101
No TAA has ruined native. 1080p is a blurred mess with TAA and TAA often looks worse than DLSS at 1440p and definitely worse at 4k.

People saying otherwise just don't have the display or Nvidia card to test it themselves.

>>713257230
At 1080p? Yes, but only get the 16GB one.

>>713257247
>heh, this shit we force on you? Well this other shit looks better11!
Fucking kill yourself for being a shill

>>713257236
Jensen AI magic. Just like how 4k DLSS performance (1080p internal) looks way better than 1440p native while performing about the same.

>>713256923
>J-just pay the Nvidia tax and buy the RTX 5080 which costs 70% more bro.

>>713257338
Okay enjoy your 1080p TAA image. I'll stick to DLSS and be happy.

>>713257236
demonic AI magic

>>713257426
Better than native!

>>713257419
>TAA

why would a nvida user use TAA you dumb faggot

>>713257426
>>713257419
Dilate

>>713257427
>>713257352
It's impossible for less pixels to better than more pixels. You guys don't understand how graphic options work. Every setting operates on a scalar of your internal resolution? Do you understand what this means you stupid cunts? How does 1707x960 pixels look better than 2560x1440 pixels?

>>713257228
Nvidia still has more pros, like lower power draw/heat, rtx hdr if you have an oled display, wide dlss support instead of messing around with third party tools like optiscaler. Which is why their $50 discount or whatever vs the 5070ti is enough.

>>713257507
Buy an Nvidia card and try it for yourself. It looks better because native has been ruined by TAA.

>>713257507
its not less pixel tho you dumb retard, DLSS fills in the pixels

>>713257545
I bought my 9070 XT at launch at the fake MSRP, so I'm very happy with what I got for money.
Also the fact that, going from a 10GB 3080, I could just pop the card out and swap it using the exact same power cables was a big plus given that I'm very lazy.

>>713257161
>it's comparable if you turn off all the stuff it can't do
nobody with nvidia is going to play at those settings

Just took this screenshot using my 5090 your Radeon shitbox won't be handling it

>>713257507
In addition to the fact that DLSS gives you massively better AA than just TAA alone, there's also the fact that DLSS's AI model was trained using 8k ground truth, so even if you're playing 4k native there are still additional otherwise nonexistent details DLSS sometimes can add

>>713257479
Same picture in DLSS4 vs. FSR4, Nvidia marketing jeet.

>>713257545
Wrong amd undervolts way better for over a decade

RTX HDR is worse than auto HDR. It's a hack for SDR titles. AMD does native HDR on Linux while Nvidia is broken on both Windows and Linux with BSOD drivers and Kernel Panics.

The DLSS games are shipping are still DLSS 2 like segas 2025 AAA MMORPG you need Optiscaler or amds driver level FSR4


Nvidia has nonstop issues on every OS they need a $300 discount to be worth it over AMD. Stability is more important in Esports and render than Nvidias black screen driver mess.


>>713257605
>>713257606
1707x760 is worse than 1080p and pic related is the performance youre getting with DLSS

>>713257738
FSR4 looks like literal dogshit, you are free to prove me wrong

For 1080p gaming, is there any reason to upgrade from a 6900XT?

>>713257737
>>713257606
>>713257605
You guys are ESL? You cant read. Read this.
You guys don't understand how graphic options work. Every setting operates on a scalar of your internal resolution? Do you understand what this means you stupid cunts? How does 1707x960 pixels look better than 2560x1440 pixels?

>>713257781
jesus fuck anon, your cope is pathetic

>>713257785
They look exactly the same.

>>713257857
I'm not the one saying that less than 1080p is better than 1440p

>>713257839
you simply dont understand how DLSS works then you massive faggot

you also probably have no idea that DLSS doesnt use TAA and therefore its already superior to native

>>713257781
If AMD were good then why is it only stupid retards buy it

JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP SENPAI

>>713257940
You still never explain how 1707x960 pixels rendered by your DXGI output is better than 2560x1440. How is 960 shadowmap better than 1440 shadowmap?

>>713257781
top kek cope
>9070xt losing to base 4070ti
was this image meant to be in amd's favour?

>>713258008
>>713257956
>>713257940
How is less than 1080p better than 1440p using pixel fillrate logic

>>713247638 (OP)
I already bought an RTX 4090 back in 2022 so I'm not in the market for a Radeon card I'm afraid.

>>713258002
DLSS wins vs Native in a scenario where DLSS is a replacement for OTHER existing temporal upscaling solutions and AA. Pure native is always win vs DLSS but most games uses some kind of temporal upscaling and for example Native + TAA looks worse than DLSS Quatliy/Ballanced. And many games have forced TAA/TXAA (and some even don't tell it via it's settings). And in case where you get DLSS upscaling but no DLSS AA - then DLSS Quality/Ballanced will look better than native, especially in motion.

>>713247638 (OP)
Hows the next few years looking for GPUs? Any impartial opinions?

>>713258002
It's Nvidia technology so it just works. You must be used to FSR 2 so you think all scaling tech is shit.

>>713258085
See
>>713258073


You keep spouting a chatgpt reply.

How is less pixel fillrate better than more at a dxgi level?

>>713258134
i gave you an answer to your question 2 times now and you still ask how? are you mentally retarded?

>>713258073
because it's being upscaled with ai

>>713258134
dumb jeet

>>713258119
See below you. You seem massively confused to reality. How is less better than more? Why is less pixel fill rate better than more? You cant explain you just say "AI magic" and "Nvidia just works" like math doesn't apply to programming DXGI functions.

so i ask again how is less better than more at same transistor count?

>>713257984
>before taxes
christ. how much is it WITH tax?

>>713258292
>im still asking the same question for the 5th time

>>713258203
>>713258207
See
>>713258292


how is 192 better than 384

>>713258292
>>713258401

this nigger still can't understand that TAA is pure cancer

Reminder that Nvidia is very overpriced in India. All the jeets buy AMD.

>>713258423
forgot pic

>>713258253
I'm not the one going that less than 1080p is better than 1440p

>>713258423
People here still can't explain why less is better than more using math and graphics API logic instead of "AI is magic"

does siri wipe your ass iphone toddler?

>>713257984
60 dollars to install the GPU holy shit man

>>713258423
Not him, but so is DLSS.
The only valid forms of AA are those that supersample. What I'd give to have every game able to render at 4x native res and downscale to native. Although devs would actually have to optimize their games and not render the cock and balls of every NPC on the map regardless of whether they are visible.

I caved and boughted a 9070 non XT for $599.
But honestly, +100 watts for +10 fps on the XT seems wasteful anyway.

>>713258486
It's overpriced everywhere dumbjeet

>>713258552
>The only valid forms of AA are those that supersample

and now tell me what does SS in DLSS mean you dumb retard?

>>713258492
why the hell does dlss on look better?

>>713258502
It's appletards itt who think DLSS 1707x960 is better than native 2560x1440

>>713258646
because it doesnt use TAA

>>713258134
>>713258292
It just works. Just upgrade your 5700xt to a modern Nvidia card and try it for yourself.

>>713247638 (OP)
what are people even buying new GPUs for
there's nothing worth playing on them

>>713258637
It stands for super sample, but it doesn't actually super sample you absolute retard. Read nvidias paper on it. It AI slops the frame, it's not rendered at above native resolution.

so done with these fucking driver issues on my 5070 ti. i was in the middle of typing up a shitpost dunking on the AMDrones ITT when my screen went black and I had to turn my whole pc off. im rmaing and switching to 9070 xt fuck it idc anymore.

why can't you guys fix your shit on windows or linux? You all macjeets?

>>713258738
The new meta is playing older games at 240+ FPS.

>>713258738
I bought a 9070xt 2 weeks ago and I haven't played a single video game yet because there's nothing out there.

>>713258721
>pic related
it shows DLAA absolutely butchering fps while looking worse than fake pixels

>>713258791
DLSS is not frame gen you stupid AMD monkey faggot

>>713258401
one of these images is native 1440p which has been enlarged to 4k
the other is a DLSS 1080p image upscaled to 4k.

Which is which?

>>713258828
what is the point

>>713258965
https://www.nvidia.com/en-eu/geforce/technologies/dlss/
Read. Fucking. Nvidia. Marketing materials. It literally tells you the same thing I just told you. I also use Nvidia graphics card you absolute illiterate fucktard. The difference between you and me is that I can read and I know what my graphics card is actually doing.

>>713258994
Top looks way better, but they both look kinda bad.

>>713259134
>At its heart, DLSS uses a smart deep learning neural network that’s been trained on high-resolution images. This network recognises patterns and details in game graphics, which helps it create high-quality images from lower-resolution inputs.

its literally superspamling you dumb illiterate faggot

>>713259229
top is 1080p image

>>713259253
Here is what I said.
>The only valid forms of AA are those that supersample. What I'd give to have every game able to render at 4x native res and downscale to native.
Can you read this sentence? Read this sentence over and over, use a dictionary if you must until you get it. If you still don't, please go get some English lessons because I am not here to teach English.

>>713258994
top looks sharper so im guessing thats the 4k dlss performance mode.
4k dlss performance is better than native 1440p figured that out myself a few years ago.

>>713259259
Yeah I guessed as much. That being said, the reason I think it looks better may translate very poorly to actual video output. That game is extremely unpleasant to look at in screenshots.

>>713247638 (OP)
What's the smallest/best version of this card?
Was looking to pick one up now that the stock is kind of sorted, haven't bought a gpu since the evga days

>>713259474
I used it because it has lots of texture detail and allows you to change resolutions and settings within the game without having to reload areas

>>713259229
Anon turned on chromatic aberration to kill the image clarity.
You can still see the fake frame artifact at the top of the image.

>>713258994
top one is DLSS, I can smell AI bullshit from miles away

>>713258994
>>713259259
>>713259474
just use imgsli like https://www.techpowerup.com/review/stalker-2-dlss-vs-fsr-vs-xess-comparison/
or >>713258721

>>713259572
Yeah sure, I'm just pointing out that I think this is a really fucking nasty looking game.

>>713259579
yes the zoom in and pixel count anon.
what monitor do you have?

>>713259349
DLSS was trained on 8K
what part of that don't you understand?

>>713259662
1440p
It's really easy to see AI upscaling artifacts once you know what you're looking for.

>>713259662
You don't need to zoom in if you have a 4k screen.
Also guess what it will look like when camera moves.

give me literally 1 (one) good reason why i should buy a 9070XT over a 5070TI?

>>713259787
anyone with a 1440p screen should really just shut the fuck up about image quality. If it mattered to you then you wouldn't be running a dogshit display

>>713258994
Upscaling + fake frames is so shit.

FSR and DLSS are great for antialiasing and leaps and bounds better than TAA, but that is literally it.

>>713259836
nice cope bud

>>713259890
>cope
do you understand what that word means?

>>713259871
and since every new game forces TAA having DLSS is a must

I just bought a 4060, poorbros we are so back

>>713259828
more power efficient. generate less heat.

>>713259836
>uhh chuddie if you don't have a 4k display then you must be okay with your screen being a blurry mess!
day of the rope is coming for nvidia cultists

>>713260015
>image clearly shows 1440p looks worse than 1080p upscaled
You're the one coping with the blurry mess.

>>713259947
You're an expert on the topic, I know.

>>713259828
the only reason was cheaper msrp but since we live in reality that reason existed for maybe one week before the price of the card inflated to prices similar to the 5070TI.

>>713260008
>>713260008
>another AMD lie

>>713260124
>I know it looks worse and runs with less fps but native 1440p is better ok
lol

>>713260115
Stop trying to gaslight retard, it's not working.

>>713247638 (OP)
When is a state funded Chinese corporation going to come in and provide some fucking competition?

>>713249547
I have an 5070 Ti I bought a few months ago when I saw it available for MSRP. I wanted to get a 9070 XT and went to my local Micro Center on launch day, but they ran out before I could get one, and then the only ones available were online selling for like $300 more than the imaginary $600 MSRP.

It was an upgrade from a 6800 XT, which was an upgrade from a 1080 Ti.

>>713259510
For AMD I only go Sapphire, but the smallest afaik is the Gigabyte

>>713260208
>gaslighting
everyone can see that the native 1440p looks worse. how is it gaslighting you dumb fuck?

>>713258812
>/pcbg/ jeet shill got BTFO and made a /v/ thread
kek
https://www.windowslatest.com/2023/09/30/windows-11-kb5030310-issues-moment-4-september-26-patch-is-buggy/

holy smokes guys DLSS is so goo-AAAACK

>>713260380
>2560x1440
lolz

>>713259706
So you frames are all rendering at 8k?

>>713256526
Nah upscaling should be used for extra frames without needing to drop settings or res to a lower one and also 4K if you don't have a card capable of running it at any decent settings at 60fps

>>713260456
Just supersample it to 4k if you love AI slop so much, it's still gonna blurr the game like this.

>>713260651
not on my machine , must be just yours , buddy

>>713260380
works on my machine

>>713249576
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTXoUsdSAnA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbNs_LOmuvw
Enjoy the (you).

>>713260876
>all my opinions come from two buttblasted youtubers heads

>>713260825
Of course nothing will blurr if you stand still, screenshot was taken while rotating the camera.
Go to the mansion and check again.

>>713247638 (OP)
anyone had any trouble with the retarded hidden connector on this thing yet?
It turned me off from ordering one on release

>>713260968
yeah, that's what motion blur does

>>713260993
yes. my house burnt down twice in 3 days

this shuts up all the retards who paid $300 extra for dlss

>>713261027
you're being retarded on purpose and it shows

>>713260164
Being power efficient means less power consumption at same performance.
I bet you feel extremely retarded right now because your post says RX7800XT is the most power efficient card.

>>713260946
I won't open the links and don't have thumbs. It's drama nexus and amd unboxed right?
The same fags who literally said that it's OK when amd lied about MSRP ot get better reviews.

>>713247638 (OP)
>GOTTA UPGRADE TO THE NEXT THING.

What is this mental illness?

>>713260993
Out of sight, out of mind. :^)

>>713261164
did i ask about the fucking RX7800XT?

>>713261127
you do know I can turn all upscaling, frame gen and ray tracing off and still run higher settings than you, right?

I don't know if I should buy the 9070 XT and then upgrade to UDNA flagship or jist take a break from gaming for a year. I'm really disappointed AMD only made a midrange card this gen.

>>713260993
I specifically bought a 9070xt model that doesn't come with the nvidia housefire connector.

>>713261235
Because it's not. Your chart isn't running at the same fps, illiterate retard.

>>713261164
4070ti is drawing the same power while being faster in the same generation

>>713261260
this shuts up all the retards who paid $300 extra for rtx driver issues

>>713261309
>Your chart isn't running at the same fps

?? what the fuck do you mean? ofc a 7800XT is not running at the same fps at the 5090..

>>713261387
>wuthering waves may crash
who the fuck plays wuthering waves?

>>713261387
>extra $300
try <$100

>>713261164
the 5070ti and 9070xt get basically the same fps... are you retarded?

>>713261461
I can't believe I need to explain this.
>GPU A 60 fps 100 W Good
>GPU B 60 fps 300 W Bad

>>713260164
Power efficiency is dumb because you're assuming the default power limit is the be all end all.
The bigger the chip the more efficient it is because it takes less power to run say 80 CUs at 1.5GHz than 40 CUs at 3GHz.
The most efficient card on the market is the 5090 with adjusted power limit, followed by 4090. 9070 XT is also really efficient but AMD went crazy with the power limit because it was originally a 5070 competitor because AMD underestimated how slow the 5070 would be and then saw an opportunity to instead market the 9070 XT as 5070 Ti and 5080 competitor at a higher price.
Adjusting the power limit is trivial and I don't understand why people get so hung up on default power limits. You literally just enter a single number in a text box or drag a slider.

>>713253262
Carvil activate your windows or i will unleash the psychic dominator.

>>713261297
9070 XT is a based card and AMD definitely cooked this gen but 12VHPWR hysteria is way overblown. There are zero concerns about using the connector at up to 350W loads and even at the rated 600W failures are rare.

>>713261628
nigger the 9070xt draws almost 100W more for the same performance as the 5070ti

what the fuck are you talking about?

>>713260946
>>713261192
>Absolutely any proof
>Nvibots: No! IT DOESN'T COUNT! NOOOOOOO
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/game-ready-drivers/13/562153/anisotropic-filtering-driver-level-creates-solid-r/3520933/
https://archive.is/WGuQ5
https://archive.is/A3zdM#selection-1611.0-1647.88

How does this endless cope and slurping benefit you guys at all? You don't own a stake in the company.

>and don't have thumbs
>Malding so hard your English broke

>>713257230
anything beats nvidia with fortnite. nvidia just does not work for whatever reason, you will constantly face numerous issues. just constant seethe from the amount of problems my nvidia card has given me with that game, and with many other UE5 games.

>>713261536
made more money than genshin
>>713261564
retards paid more money for a 4070 ti super

>>713261749
I'm not taking any chances with my PC. If the 9070xt doesn't draw the power to require the meme connector then there's no reason to use it and I would rather not have it.

>>713261297
which model is that, by the way? xfx, powercolor or sapphire?

>>713261841
>I have an AMD GPU but you should listen to me when I tell you that your Nvidia GPU which runs perfectly fine is broken because some hairy youtuber says so

>>713261841
you got BTFO in pcbg go back

>>713261812
racism outside of /b/ is against the rules btwr

>>713261926
>made more money than genshin
Who the fuck plays genshin?

>>713261957
Powercolor hellhound.

>>713262007
being a nigger is also again the rules, you can fuck off now

>>713261749
The connector itself isn't the issue. The problem is baked into the cards. nVidia is running 600w on a single rail without any kind of power redistribution or redundancies.

>>713262069
look in the mirror. look at the madness. yourself.

>own AMD
>enter every thread and just show everyone how retarded you are
why do this?

>>713261628
you AMD shills are pathetic

>>713261926
id rather have the 4070ti super over a 7900xtx just for dlss

>>713247638 (OP)
Should I upgrade from my almost 3 year old 4090 to this brand new card? Surely it's much faster, being the flagship.

>>713262206
but your dlss looks like >>713261127
and

>>713261812
the chart is tested with cp2077 at 4k without fps cap. 9070xt btfo 5070ti in that case. they did a really sloppy job at testing this.

>>713262206
the 7900xtx is literally on par with the 5080. i have two systems as proof.

>>713247638 (OP)
nvidia has cudacores, and now i need them for AI projects i need to do, and i pumped all my money in a 7800xt

>>713261127
That's Lumen ghosting. DLSS ghosting is a different animal.

>>713262239
>owns AMD
>1234x862
>tranny game
lol

>>713262264
>fps cap

your brown is showing hard

>>713262206
I'd rather have AMD for RADV since they get 50% more fps than Nvidia.

>>713262315
UE4 doesnt have Lumen stupid fuck

>>713262331
I was trying to talk to you in a familiar way.

>>713262314
what kind of ai project?

>>713262479
you are lying again

I can't decide if tendies or amdrones are more delusional and retarded.

>>713262372
>posts unrelated YouTube screencap
>it makes DLSS look bad, even though it's clearly not in HD, as that shows a badge on the gear button
Why are you jeets so dishonest?

>>713262291
you use native and taa?

>>713247638 (OP)
About what? Why do you fucking PC mega faggot fanboys find it so hard to believe that PC market has capitulated? So let's go to brass tacks: The NVIDIA ownership on Steam is still 75% and actually went up. The NVIDIA overall marketshare outside Steam (prebuilt PC, vendors) is like 90% theirs. And despite all this, NVIDIA has become an AI manufacturing chip company with the PC market being a monopoly. In spite of all these practices and a de-facto monopoly, AMD shares in the GPU market keep dropping. A 350 dollar GPU is not the savior of the past 200 dollar GPU market that helped lift PC gaming in the 2010s.

Many of you choose not to recognize these facts because of /r/GCJ tier fanboyism towards Valve and PC gaming in the service of platform warring. AMD still make 8gb VRAM cards too but we don't let the tiny little details get in the way of /v era/ PCMR gaming fanboyism. You know something guys, with all the anons showing off their builds and expensive GPUs, why doesn't the average Steam Hardware Survey reflect how many master race builds are out there in the world?

Why is Monster Hunter Wild such a wildly negative review bombed game with the complaints being the performance?

>>713262159
If you cared about energy efficiency that much, then you'd be recommending the RX 9070 or the RX 9070 XT with a silent mode BIOS.

But you aren't, because you are an Nvidia jeet.

fuck this thread is making me want to return my 9070XT to newegg while I still can...I got price cucked at 770ish dollars after tax.

>>713262532
Actually they are lying. You can't even find Spider Man 2 benchmark in that review.

>>713257426
my god!!
the graphic card is moving so fast the monitor can barely keep up!!!!

>>713262706
>per second per per second
What a stupid source. Should've been frames per joule.

fuck this thread is making me want to return my RTX 5080 to newegg while I still can...I got price cucked at 1800ish dollars after tax.

Why are these bricks to fucking massive nowadays?

>>713262881
>frames per watt makes no sense >>713262706
Retard.

>AMD schizo gets bullied in /pcbg/ for being a shill and a retard
>comes to /v/ and gets absolutely shit on and made fun of for being a stupid faggot
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Just a reminder that this AMjeet is also a pedophile. NVIDIA won even when they released their worst generation of all time. AMD somehow drops the ball and doesn't even compete.

>>713262984
Cooling. The GPU itself is small.

>>713263027
the pedophiles are using nvidia to generate AI lolis getting gangbanged by neckbeards

just take the L unc

>>713262710
Aw yeah baby, $600+ for entry level gaming GPU that isn't 8gb VRAM. It's PCMR gaming time. PC GAMING PC GAMING! MASTER RACE!!!

>>713247638 (OP)
I just got a 9060xt at msrp for my side pc and it actually works pretty good. I was surprised no issues out the box. I spent most of my time playing doom but I did test a few ue5 slops and it ran no stutters

Plan on doing a skyrim vr run soon on it to see how well it works.
Even blender rendering worked good on it with hip

>>713263136
You would know that because you probably use it for that.

>>713254727
nvenc is no good as a realtime chad for me that streams inhouse. I need to play, not watch. Even on my 3090 I don't use that shit when streaming to another desktop

yeah I like to ai gen brown babes so nvidia wins

>>713257230
yes but only if it's the real xt and not the 9050 8 gb

>>713263407
Nice selfie you fat fuck

>>713257984
lmoa, this is why I stopped buying top of the line after 3090

without evga, nvidia cards are unreliable time bombs

>>713257984
pay more for the replacement card than the actual card itself probably sold for KEK

>>713263361
>1024 x 1024 and upscaled gen
>still has artifacts
my fucking laptop could generate this, get the fuck outta here

>>713263585
do it then BITCH, and do it in 3 seconds

>>713257984
Based. /r/PCMR and /v era/ love this. Mustard race!

>>713261294
For me, it's...
>6700XT (RDNA2)
>Upgrade to 9070 (RDNA4)
>Wait for UDNA2

ASUS 1070 gang...cough..where we a-...where am I?

>>713263361
chel is my girlfriend so maybe don't generate images of her.

>want to gen stuff with my amd card
>see it is either mostly impossible/annoying as fuck to setup or I need to fucking deal with linux
frick on a stick

Hello /v/. I've been waiting for the /pcbg/ amd tranny to post here for a long time. DO NOT BE FOOLED BY HIS LIES. HE IS A LIAR. The 5070ti absolutely crushes the 9070xt in all games that aren't sponsored by AMD. AMD tranny will lie to you and say "SAM MAKES YOUR FRAMETIMES BUTTERY SMOOTH!" just look at this screenshot and look at unplayable it is compared to the way it's meant to be played. I want AMD to be competitive and a reliable option, but the 9070xt is not AMD Radeon's Ryzen Moment. There's a reason most of /v/ owns an NVIDIA gpu and 92% of PCs use a NVIDIA gpu.

>>713263992
You're going to be transitioning to Linux sooner or later. Might as well bite the bullet now.

>>713263361
woah chel, lay off the cheeseburgers

>>713263653
no YOU do it (get the fuck outta here with that baby shit)

>>713263731
Why not "upgrade" your GTX 1070 8GB card to an 8GB modern day card from 200 to 400 dollars? Or would you like a 16GB card? How does 600 dollars sound to you? Would you like a good 16GB card too, well that'll be 800 dollars.

PCMR gaming time!

>>713264009
ah yes, the 4090 killer
fuck off snake oil salesman
Both of you can fuck yourselves, I'm not buying anything 50 series. Sticking with the skip filler generation law of nvidia.

>>713264228
he will need to upgrade everything to do that motherboard, power supply, cpu if someone has a old card like that they have old everything i should know because i got a 1070 and im looking to upgrade soon if you dont you bottleneck the system and or it just doesnt run

>>713264303
Enjoy your RX 580 retard

Okay but actually, 9070XT or 5070TI.
Without the autism please.

>>713264563
honestly do whatever you want, 5070ti is a bit better but also more expensive
unless you're on linux, then 9070xt without any doubts

>>713264382
Great, great! So let's crunch up the numbers..
>New CPU and motherboard? 400 dollars for AMD, 500 dollars for Intel!
>New RAM, Let's go for middle ground 50 dollars poor ram
>New GPU 16gb that costs 600 dollars!
>New PSU that's another 120 dollars
Let me add this up real quick, that'll be over 1000 dollars easily for 4 new PC parts. /v era/ /r/pcmr time!

>>713264563
5070ti is plain better

>>713264563
9070xt if u only play games and it's 30% cheaper. It's only value is that it's a cheaper and slightly slower 5070ti in raster.

5070ti if you use your PC to stream/video encode/3d rendering. 5070ti also is better at raytracing and especially pathtracing compared to AMD.

>>713264426
>hurr you should upgrade your 4090 to a 5070 hurr
>It has the same performance at just 549
faggot nigger

>>713247638 (OP)
Go for the gpu you feel is the best bang for your buck. Branding doesnt matter.

>>713264981
>hurr hurr im not upgrading my GPU every generation
You're nobody special, people wait 2-3 gens before upgrading piggie. Enjoy selling your 4090 for pennies on the dollar though when you decide to upgrade and 24gb are more common ;)

8GB vram buyer's remorse club how we feeling today? Another day past the return date, eh fellow PCMR? hahahahaha. Couldn't be me. NO REFUNDS.

>>713264215
nogenner

>>713264989
It does in some cases
I'd never recommend someone gigabyte for example on nvidia or asrock for amd or asus for either
>>713265089
keep coping upscale nigger, maybe in 2036 you'll finally graduate from a card with 4shared gb of vram on your next craptop

>>713265150
the only people buying 8gb vram gpus are prebuilt buyers and r/pcmr neckbeards

>>713265223
>upscale nigger
kek this faggot is the redditor still shouting from the rooftops that his 1080ti is still good. Kill yourself chuddie

>>713265150
8gig cards exist only to trick prebuild niggas.

should I buy my bros EVGA 3070TI for $200? Don't really wanna blow $900 on current amd cards. My system is crusty and old as well so I need to upgrade basically everything in it. Still using a 3700x cpu. I'd be selling my 1070 for a $100 on ebay as well.

>>713265150
Only retards are buying the 8gb or prebuild makers ready to scam retards shopping for computers at walmart or something like best buy

I saw a fucking rx 580 at best buy the other day. It's crazy that card still gets bought but the most surprising thing is they also have 8gb of vram so why the fuck have cards not evolved yet?
>>713265297
this post shows the limit of your prompting skills and weak ass hardware

>>713265237
it is your duty to look up sale listings of used 8GB cards (RTX 4060, 5060) and reply to the seller with laughing emoji and 8gb buyers remorse.

>>713264228
PC gaming used to be exclusively affordable to wealthier (white) households and a sprinkle of Uncle Toms, Li, and Hosehs.
I don't care if poor/frugal people are getting priced out of this little hobby.
https://web.archive.org/web/20000118073449/http://www.gamersdepot.com/interview_roberta_a.htm

If you pay over msrp you are a cuck no matter the brand.
Most people posting here are using mali gpus so this thread is not authentic

>>713265405
>/v pol/
The majority language speaking in Steam is non-English by 66%. Chinese is the most popular language on Steam.

>>713264563
The 5070 Ti has 5% more performance, but costs at least 25% more. Not to mention that the RX 9070XT has better performing ray tracing units which makes it more future proof.

It doesn't really make any sense to buy the 5070 Ti over the RX 9070 XT, but it is ultimately your choice if you want to pay the Nvidia tax or not.

>>713265405
Formulaic and shitty adventures also clogged the market. The amount of damage done by TLJ alone was catastrophic.

>>713265346
I think $200 is a bit much for a 2nd hand 8GB card, personally.

Yeah, low VRAM, ~3070 performance, and unable to properly use headlining Nvidia features. Pretty pathetic for a mainstream 60-series. If they called it a 5050 and priced it appropriately (like $200) it might make sense at some level.

But of course, they can't actually do that since it would expose how underwhelming the whole lineup is. 8GB is literal fucking e-waste, absolutely astonishing how much /r/PCMR v.e.g.a.n. /v era/ slurps the modern PC gaming market. I'm absolutely positive that 8GB VRAM cards bottleneck themselves by going over VRAM if you turn on FrameGen (something that Monster Hunter Wilds defaults to ON before you hit the title screen BTW).

>>713247638 (OP)
AMD has no interest in taking market share from NVIDIA. AMD will not produce enough cards. The 9000 series was still not reasonably priced. The only reason it is selling so well is because NVIDIA and AMD stopped producing last gen cards and waited until their stock was COMPLETELY sold off before releasing current gen. There have been rumors that the 9000 series was ready for launch as early as late summer. Additionally, NVIDIA has fucked up their launch: missing ROPS, fucked up drivers, low supply, etc. AMD could take advantage of this and produce more cards to take market share, but they haven't and wont. They do not want to produce one extra card than what they allocated in their fab plans from two years ago. AMD is kicking themselves right now because they could have launched with a $100 or more higher MSRP.

>>713262157
Buyer's remorse

>>713265495
>There's a lot of Chinese people in the world.
No shit.
Doesn't change the fact that PC gaming used to be a far more exclusive/expensive hobby.

>>713265825
I believe, please don't quote me, but the number of chips that NVIDIA manufactures is 90% AI and 10% for video games (PC and Nintendo Switch 1 and 2). The Taiwan chip company TSCM is gouging NVIDIA who in return decides AI chips costs much better business than GPUs.

>>713265496
kek amdrones are something else
>better performing ray tracing units which makes it more future proof.
lmao rdoa4 doesn't even support opacity micromaps which will become mandatory in DXR 1.2
something that nvidia has supported since turing like 7 years ago lmao

My first 9070XT would cause immediate shut downs with only kernel power error codes, my new 9070XT has no issues and hasn't crashed once after two weeks of owning. I'm a little worried about the longevity of this card though. I've never owned AMD and was primarily an NVIDIA user.

Not sure why there are so many njudea shills on /v/ these days. Most of you third worlders that now infest this site can't even afford any of their cards above a xx60, which also has not gotten any significant performance uplifts in three generations now. PC gaming is such a fucking joke

So the GTX 1000 Pascal line was an accident that couldn't happen again. Each tier made sense and was price accordingly. Each GPU aged way more than they should've had, particularly the 60/70/80. The only misfire was the 1060 3GB variant that made no sense in the long run. I feel NVIDIA hasn't made a good card since that family line and you've all been price gouged as paypigs for a decade. When you buy NVIDIA (or hell AMD) GPUs and you feel squeezed out of performance tears or you had enough of AI upscaling, your recently purchased GPU is still a purchase. And now they'll get a second purchase from you early upgrading to dump the 8GB card. BASED! PCMR PCMR! /v era/

uh oh amdjeet is having a prolapsed anus meltie after lots of sexi tiem on the designated street lmao

>>713266160
>number of chips that NVIDIA manufactures is 90% AI and 10% for video games
90% of NVIDIA's quarterly revenue is from the data center (AI) business, and less than 10% from gaming.
This doesn't mean 90% of their TSMC chip orders are for the data center business, it should be lower because this is a (historically) high margin business.

But NVIDIA is rumored to be ordering less gaming chips to sell even more data center AI GPUs.

>>713267159
Well the rumor is NVIDIA is dropping RTX 5000 manufacturing by 20-30% to produce more AI chips.

>>713247775
thats rumored to come out if nvidia drops the 5080 super

i really hope it does cause 32gb of gddr7 with actually competitive AI performance and good upscaling sounds like a dream (cause it is lol)

>>713258002
>You still never explain how 1707x960 pixels rendered by your DXGI output is better than 2560x1440
Your premise is flawed. DLSS Quality 1440p vs native 1440p TAA are both 2560x1440 vs 2560x1440 output on both counts, it's just that DLSS is inherently a lot more efficient and leverages dedicated hardware so it needs less pixels to do the same thing, or to do better. You can test this yourself in games or watch youtube videos where it's demonstrated... or you can just keep shouting "but steel is heavier than feathers"

>>713267359
It's far less likely AMD will release a new GPU that's better than the 9070XT's, this higher-end chip should've been tested and taped out months ago.
It also doesn't make sense to invest so much into releasing a new chip as a mid-gen refresh GPU.

A potential 9070XTX will use the same, Navi48 chip in the 9070XT with slightly improved stock boost clocks, and 32GB total memory.

thicc

>>713260876
saw this last night and nearly had a conniption
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-ggq_S3sDQ
Despite the video saying this only affects intel systems, the settings were off on my AMD system too

>>713247720
>army of braindead loyalists he says, as he exclusively buys products from one brand
the irony is not lost upon me and my sides are in orbit

>>713252348
Answer the question.

>>713257695
>uhhh raw power BAD but gimmick GOOD
Once again, keep coping, Njudeajeet

>>713268390
So the 9070 has more raw power than the 5090? That's good.

>>713248719
No. It would be aggressive pricing but they are pretty comfy with -$50

>>713268390
AMD fags are funny people. You didn't buy AMD because of the performance. You bought AMD because it cost less.
So why do you spend your time trying to convince everyone that the you bought AMD for performance? If AMD and Nvidia where exactly the same price nobody would buy AMD

>>713268390
lol it sold because Nvidia had no stock

>>713269554
Nah I always buy AMD because that's what I've always done

>>713269840
so you don't have a reason. just blind faith

>>713249695
Since AI went through the roof and Nvidia got the position of "only our mega dick chips can reliably handle proper AI" and upped the prices to oblivion. They zoomed past Google, Microsoft and all the other tech giants

Their stock also fell 600 billion when China released deepseek with cheaper non-nvidia components.


But yeah all in all, videogames and GPU is a drop in the bucket for them, it's next to irrelevant.

>>713247638 (OP)
Gaming GPU's make less than 5% of nvidia income. They don't fucking care

>>713247638 (OP)
fsr is still garbage so no

comfy is more annoying to setup for AMD.

>>713270091
>China released deepseek with cheaper non-nvidia components.
Deepseek used at least 50,000 NVIDIA H100 data center GPUs to train the model.
They can't officially admit it because Chinese companies aren't supposed to have access to that tech.
NVIDIA's share price also rebounded after that panic drop, and Jensen's been successfully convincing people they need even more NVIDIA AI GPUs to accelerate training and improve output quality.

>>713269554
>>713269928
>don't buy the better deal, buy the worse deal so that you can pay tax to the Church of Nvidia
Yes, very good, young disciple. I hope you didn't forget to pray to Saint Jen Hsun Huang three times today!

Seriously though, I'll buy Nvidia once they offer me a better deal than AMD. I am not a mindless drone, so I don't worship brands like (you) do.

>>713270806
They already do. That extra $100 goes towards things like superior RT performance, superior AI performance, infinitely superior productivity support, superior video encoding, performance boosting tech like DLSS, and so on.

if the 9070XT was actually 599 I would insta buy but its closer to 800+ in most places where it is even available and sometimes even more. Just about the same price as a 5070ti. Might as well stick with Njudea and keep all the features they have.

>>713270990
Just get a 9070 and undervolt it. Nearly the same performance at a much lower power budget.

>>713269928
Sure. Looks like I was right when we consider how the cards age.

>>713271253
yeah but I'm losing out on
>>713270975

for the 9070XTs in my area that are available they are starting at 829. The 5070TI is also at that price.

>>713247638 (OP)
>NVIDIA should be worried.
as long as Nvidia has the DLSS lead and the AI workstation market by the balls, they have nothing to worry about
reminder that despite all the sound and the fury about the RX9070XT supposedly wrecking the RTX5000 series in sales, its real life usage is so low that it hasn't even appeared on the steam hardware survey unlike RTX5000 cards

bros how good is 9060 xt for streaming?

>>713271749
Better than previous generations.

>>713247638 (OP)
...that their share price after AMD's newest fiasco will bring more volatility to the market.

>>713271398
>aged cards
so it was money , why pretend it wasn't?

>>713271581
radeon is the troon of gpus
>shilled by jewtubers
>plebbit echo chamber will let you believe they're the majority
>every radeon troon will tell you they pass and are better than biological women in this case nvidia gpus
>incoherent rage at the sight of nvidia (biological woman model)
>in reality are a rounding error in the population (steam)

>>713270806
>you're just a mindless drone if you don't buy AMD GPUs based on blind faith like I do
you're one stupid fuck

>>713272070
It's good to have cards on the shelf that still work because of forward looking hardware and good drivers.

>>713257161
>No DLSS
>No RT
My 4070 can go ultra RT and stay at 100fps, mostly you can do with a pajeet AMD is 40fps

Which one holds their value better?

>>713272291
I have never thought about going back to an older GPU.
I can't think of a reason I would go back to an older GPU which isn't cash related.

>>713272408
I have like 4 gaming pcs that I can use

>>713272494
and I have 2. What's your point?

>>713270975
I can get all of this for at least 30% less if I buy AMD though.

AMD literally offers every single feature set that Nvidia does. It wasn't always like that, but it is like that today. :)

>>713272773
it doesn't offer the same performance

More importantly when will AMD get their shit together?
Next gen consoles releasing in 26/27/28 barely sound like catching up to 25's NVidia.

>>713270235
>don't care
>still make the best GPUs

>>713272549
I have drivers. https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/

>>713272985
So do I. What's your point?

>>713272773
All it offers are checkboxes on marketing slides for clueless investors.

cheapest 9070XT is 150$ over MSRP, cheapest 5070ti is 60$ over MSRP....mountain dew the math on this one

AMD Redstone honestly sounds like a rebranding so for that reason, I am out

>>713272830
Correct. AMD has the vastly superior performance per dollar ratio with RDNA 4 (RX 9000 series), so it is obviously the better choice.

>>713273367
>it offers a per dollar
so it's price , not performance.
See >>713269554

>>713272773
They "offer" """"""""equivalents"""""""" (inferior versions, knockoffs, or implementations)

>>713247638 (OP)
Is it still handicapped for GenAI compared to nvidia cards?

>>713273972
Always has been, always will be. NVidia is THE AI company, anyone that does anything with AI uses NVidia hardware and develops for NVidia hardware.

>>713268210
Well there hasn't really been a reason to buy an intel CPU in the last six or so years. Dunno about their GPU's though.

>>713270975
>That extra $100

The price difference between an XTX and a 4090 is enough to cover buying an entire PC when choosing the former over the latter

>superior RT performance

RT is more than serviceable on AMD cards, so far its implementation in games has been not very impressive - excluding outliers like CP2077 - so I can just turn it off

>superior AI performance

I don't use it

>infinitely superior productivity support
>superior video encoding

Sir this is /v/, we play and talk about video games

>performance boosting tech like DLSS

You wouldn't catch me using those, native or bust. If you think those "boosts" come for free, you're probably a clown who obliviously plays with Vsync on.

Regardless, let me give you a few more reasons to use AMD: the drivers fucking work and the GPUs don't burn themselves out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb5YzMoVQyw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ndmoi1s0ZaY

>>713272240
The guy's a former GTX 1080 card owner who's bitterly butthurt of being priced out of GeForce RTX cards.
He was hyping up the 9070XT last year as well, I can't be fucked to find the older shitposts.

He was priced out of the 9070 XT on launch day, priced out of the 9070 XT card model he wanted, and settled with an ASUS Prime 9070 XT and paid above MSRP for it.
All he had to do was to flip some burgers for the past 6 months or so, and he could've afforded a $4000 5090.

>>713274179
ok. run a benchmark on your GPU and I'll run one on mine and we'll see which one wins.

>>713272773
where can i find amateur porn of chicks looking like this

>>713274286
not either anon but whoever wins, I'll buy that gpu today

5090 prices are dropping (not fast enough, though), and now newegg is offering $1600 for my 4090 (up from $1300). Soon.™

>>713273569
Yeah of course it's price. Why the fuck should I pay 50% more just for an Nvidia sticker?

>>713274446
it has nothing to do with performance and everything to do with price.
You claimed your AMD had better performance. It doesn't have better anything other than it costs less. You've bought a wish.com GPU

I signed up for the amazon credit card and got $200 off my 5070ti

>>713274045
Well then I have no reason to buy AMD ever again. I have a 6700 XT right now that is perfect for gaming, plays anything I have at 1440p ultra 165fps...
But for AI it's equivalent to the 6gb 1060 on my gaming laptop from 2018. Same gen time it/s. Crazy shit

>>713274286
Good idea. Post your score and have people try to beat it.

>>713274620
ok what benchmark would you like

I am literally putting my 9070XT back in the box with a return label. Please hurry with those benchmarks...prove its actually decent..please

>>713273972
No, it really isn't. The only thing is a lot of genAI fags only set up their preconfigured shit for Nvidia and then people sperg out that its somehow AMD's fault. If you or anyone else takes the time to set it up, it does just fine with AI using ROCm. Somehow people never get pissy with Nvidia for them pushing a proprietary shitfuck standard that does nothing but bolsters their control, but instead get mad at everyone else for not being able to use the same proprietary shitfuck standard that was purposely locked down by Nvidia specifically for this reason.

>>713274709
Unigine Heaven, Valley, Superposition
Pickk one

yeah I wouldn't use 9070XT for image gen its just too fucking slow compared to a 5070TI. 1024x1024 20 steps.

>>713275305
Not seen in image but 5070 Ti takes 4.12 seconds on 20 steps.

>>713251472
works on my machine

>>713274187
He got banned on /a/ then he started shitting up /pcbg/ including the OP. He was banned more than a few times on /g/ as well. The fag is just asking for a perma raneg ban.

>>713252197
>he thinks employees matter
cute

>>713247638 (OP)
No DLSS, No Thanks!

Im so glad I didnt fall for the amd meme, even after the heavy shilling.

>>713275902
See benchmarking is much more fun than pointless fanboy wars. I'm gonna get a run in on windows and linux. Not competing with you on my $200 card.

off to the UPS store...its over for AMD...I'm an Nvidiot now.

>>713274428
1600 for a 4090 is crazy cheap, if it was actually buyable at that price

>>713276425
That's still good for a relatively no-hassle tradein, where a real sale could be a scam.

>>713275520
Total staff compensation is the true basis of any organization, poorfaggot retard

>>713276895
That's a better benchmark for your hardware because you were severely cpu bound in valley.

>>713253780
All of that minus cuda is on amd and there are only like 2 apps using cuda now

>>713277093
yeah I noticed that. I ran the resolution at 1440p which is the max it goes to and it scored the same.

>>713255451
This is path tracing
>>713255510
Fsr 4 looks between dlss 3 and 4 anon

>>713277282
No, this is path tracing

>>713256460
Upscaling isn't really the issue. The real problem is that MSAA is all but dead since everything uses deferred rendering now, so you're stuck with temporal anti-aliasing methods, and DLAA is the least shitty by significant margin.

>>713277392
My frame time and fps are the other way around lol

>>713277392
I have a 9070xt at 4k fsr 4 perf i get well over 60fps so can you explain? I get around 80 if i use fsr 3.1

>>713277630
pathtracing

>muh cyberpunk
its been 5 years...

>>713275902
bottom is dxvk

>need to install linux to get good ai performance for amd cards
and for that reason I'm out, anyone that uses that software is either a complete psychopath schizo or tranny
or both

>>713277674
No shit the previous pic he posted was rt at 45 fps

>>713247638 (OP)
>2% cheaper than an rtx and 10 times worse
wow, what a deal!!

>>713277896
Gamers nexus get 109 fps on the 9070xt at 1440p ultra. I get 129 at 1440p ultra native.

>>713278006
reviewers always use the ray tracing preset not the overdrive preset because AMD just tap out with single digits

>>713277867
what the fuck do you use, macos?

amd cpu + nvidia gpu

anything else and you are Indian tier retarded

>>713278138
He's trad and uses Windows 10

>>713278138
windoze, I'm not installing another OS just for this one thing. I want to be lazy and I want it easy. that is why I gen.

>>713277919
don't choke on that green dick

ITT poorfags that couldn't afford $100 more and get the 5070ti

>>713278117
There is no rt enabled in the gn test for raster

>>713278212
>>713278228
so you buy a fancy $1000 computer and slow it down with a crappy operating system? that's the dumbest thing I've seen on this forum this week.

>>713278443
>€100 more
Where i live the 9070xt is 720 while the 5070ti is 1100

Raster perf is identical

>>713278553
dont care for your turd world shitter prices desu

>>713278228
Famalam Windows is on the way out. Win11 is shittier than 10, and you'll be forced to upgrade before long. Move to Linux now.

>>713278543
Windows users have friends if they got linux they wouldnt have friends anymore to play online with.

4k ray tracing ultra preset , no dlss and no frame gen

>>713277867
It wouldnt be bad but the tradeoff to go amd is just too big.
I enjoy working with my pc and you are cucked out of that. The problem is EVERYONE will full throttle on Ai. Nvidia will pay companies and in 5 years anons will cry here. Not to mention not everyone has time to fidget and troubleshoot. The writing is on the wall when it comes to Ai.

>>713276895
damn the 5090 is almost 2x the fps of my 7900xtx.

but at the same time the 5090 is 3-4x the price of my card.

>>713278586
Its called europe.
>inb4 europe is a turd world
Arent you guys over in na rioting over migrants lmao

>went from an rx580 to 6600 to 6750xt over the last 9 years
>never once had a driver issue
What the fuck are people talking about when they say AMD has bad drivers?

>>713278736
ok faggot, the 5070ti is 800€ in EU, so why are you lying?

>>713278782
They use windows

>>713247638 (OP)
It only took AMD 10 years to capitalize slightly on their competition being a glorified AI enterprise company and not selling GPUs to end users.

I swear AMD has to be on the take for how badly they've dropped the ball and been perfect bare minimum controlled opposition monopoly trust suit patsies

>>713278782
who is this cute boy?

>>713278543
So why don't we see 9070xt game benchmarks with linux beating 5090 scores?

>>713274179
>You wouldn't catch me using those, native or bust
"Native" is in 99% of cases using TAA, which is just worse than DLSS (and worse than FSR4) in nearly every single situation. You are resigning yourself to a worse visual experience with worse performance solely because you're labouring under the delusion of authenticity.

>>713279189
not a single amd card can't beat a 4090 lol

>>713278958
AMD is doing just fine earning over 20 billion dollars a year now, just acquiring 6 AI companies this last month, despite what you ignorant non investors think

I cannot understand this mindset of fanboyism. These companies do well and they give me a return. You all love them because of brainwashing. We are not the same.

>>713278913
So do I. Still never once have I had a ''driver timeout'' or whatever the fuck these nvidiots are claiming.
>>713279183
cailey anne https://www.pixnoy.com/post/6741233862281010312026/

>>713279339
I know. But "magic linux" saves the day and it's 3x faster than windows.
>benchmark shadow of tomb raider, 1080p high preset , no rt
who really cares if some old 1080p game gets 374fps rather than 205 fps?

>>713279189
because the 5090 is a faster card? You can't expect an $800 card to beat a $2500 card

>>713279597
see
>>713278543

>>713279460
AMD stocks have dropped to 2022 levels
but keep coping i guess

nobody talked about nvidia before bitcoin and AI

>>713278876
No they arent lol

>>713279783
every nerd on the planet talked about their 1080s

>>713279684
amd did like 20bn in stock buybacks for the last 3 years but muh poor indie company can't afford proper R&D

>>713279783
Yeah lol they weren't relevant. AMD has always been top dog.

>>713279783
>nobody knew they existed. the 1080ti , 980ti, 2080ti, Titans etc nobody owned them.

>>713279460
Hello Jim Cramer did you know that even microsoft at the peak of their power and market share only had to split the stock once VS twice? And how is it fanboyism to shit on both of them for blatantly being in fucking cahoots? There's no way the market organically is allowing 10 years of "Tee hee oopsie doopsie we're not actually being competitive"

I swear to god retards like you are why we'll never actually get competition in the market because you can't see how transparently incompetent on purpose they're being.

>>713279783
lol newfags dont remember the FERMI fire and the 3.5

>>713279808
free shipping to every EU country
https://www.alternate.de/Gainward/GeForce-RTX-5070-Ti-Phoenix-S-Grafikkarte/html/product/100128966?partner=DeGeizhals&campaign=Grafikkarte/Gainward/100128966

>>713279783
It's obvious you were born in 2011.

>>713279684
no one's coping because no one actually gives a fuck about amd or nvidia stocks, moron. My 6750xt still runs everything on ultra settings at 1080p/60fps, and anything made before 2022 I will run it at 1440p for the sweet sweet pixel density on my 27'' monitor that i sit less than a metre from.

>>713279808
>yuromutt is retarded

Okay okay I'll buy the fucking 5070TI stop yanking on my balls already

>>713279998
don't

>>713279783
Damn you amdfags have massive underdog syndrome.

>>713280032
okay, why?

I love my 7900xtx. No driver crashes. High fps. Uncompressed 10bit HDR none of that fake RTX HDR shit

>>713279842
>>713279854
>>713279870
>>713279901
Cope. Even nvidia markerts agree with me. That's it's insane that the entire US economy is proped up by a company nobody (ok maybe a couple video game nerds) have heard of.

>>713279783
everyone above the age of 15 knows this isn't true

>>713279684
Poverty faggot. I own Intel, AMD, Nvidia, Broadcom, and a dozen other big volume tech stocks. You are a pathetic fanboy who sees basic financial facts and reacts emotionally like a woman.

>>713279884
>hurrr hurr cramer meme
AMD went from sputting with 4bn a year in revnue, in debt, long term death debt, and they are now profit earning with over 20bn per year, not even counting new acquisitions and still expanding IP portfolio.
Why are you so fucking stupid? Do you really think I care about one company over the other. I am literally an investor. I am making money while you act like a low IQ cultist.

>>713280279
go look at /v/ archives, search 1080ti and ''titan'' and then come back to me.

>>713280348
>Both are bad and making the actual GPU market shittier
>Muh cultist
Are you even trying or are you just a scizo kike?

>>713279783
underage b&
Nvidia literally bakrupted 3dfx lmao

>>713280279
I've been investing 100 dollars in nvidia every day since 2006 I didn't even sell during the bitcoin era. I imagine the version of myself, 100 iq points lower, that did the same with AMD and laugh

>>713280563
>and brought hardware T&L to video cards

>>713280528
Address what I actually said instead of the strawman nigger nonsense you just constructed inside of your own head

>>713280279
nvidia literally invented what you call a "gpu" today and every graphics gimmick that exists was initially forced by them
just because you were born in 2013 and never heard of nvidia or amd before you made your way onto 4chan, doesn't mean everyone is as dumb as you

>>713280745
Schizo kike then got it.

>>713280748
No Video was the laughing stock before the 8800
Maxwell and on is when they really got good, didn't help that amd was constantly one month from bankruptcy in the bulldozer era

>>713280748
Nvidia did not even remotely come close to inventing the add in graphics accelerator.

>>713280827
>low IQ brownoid just keeps shitposting

>>713280954
schizo kike

I'll be honest I just like the color green more than red. Green is very peaceful. Red is just angry and pissed off.

nvidiabros... i thought the 1080 ti was meant to futureproof me... why am I locked out of features like raytracing even though the card can do it, it's just that nvidia forces a lack of features on cards that are older than the 30xx series. wtf bros i thought BIG COMPANY had my back???

>>713280989
I'm white. I own stock. You're not. You don't. And death to pissreal.

>>713280279
most popular GPUs:-
>2015 - gtx970
>2016 - gtx1060
>2017 - gtx1060
>2018 - gtx1060
>2019 - gtx1660ti
>2020 - rtx2060

etc

>>713281072
and why can an old and cheap card like the 6600 do raytracing and constantly recieves updates? this is another holocaust!

>>713281072
just sell the card. the used market is full of nvidiots who pay double the actual market value for old shit like that

Mister big city gay trader in here not realizing I can't put market share into a PCI-E slot so I don't give a fuck about it but the actual product and it's results.

>>713281072
The card can't do it. You can hack a compatibility layer and have it done in software, which is even slower.

>>713280578
Wow you have 99 million dollars in nvidia

AMD if you only game
NVIDIA if you do that but also every other single thing you can do with a computer.

>>713281072
I bought a 1080ti on release and it lasted me quite a few years. What are you throwing up against it that is causing it to struggle?
>muh ray tracing
It still isn't worthwhile

>>713281205
the 6600 is rdna 2, 5 years newer than the pascal card. it has rt cores in the die.
you should compare it to vega. vega does raytrace just not very well.

>>713281182
Statistically nobody bought any graphics cards in those years

>>713281252
AMD if you want to spend less
Nvidia if you want better stuffs

>>713280032
you didn't give me a reason yet bro...im driving to micro center now

>>713281252
So basically what you're saying is
>AMD if you're white
>nvidia if you're a stinky jeet that likes generating porn of girls that don't even know you

>>713281369
>those years don't count
lol

>>713281227
it can do it, the buttgoblins just have a whitelist which applications can use it

>>713281392
sell your car and buy a 5090

>>713281206
When jensen's squad comes to your door and asks to see your favorite graphics card you will be kicked to the ground and shot in the back of the head. And while you burn in hell you will be grieving over the $1000 bucks you made by selling your 1080ti in 2025

>>713281072
>nvidiabros... i thought the 1080 ti was meant to futureproof me
It was meant to. But for the next 4-6 years, not for the next 10+ years dimwit. No GPU in the world futureproofs you for a decade. Imagine if you bought a Geforce 3 in 2011 and then bitched all day about how a 2010 title like Metro 2033 runs badly on your GPU.

>>713281263
sunk cost fallacy. I'm sure those UE5 games running at 25fps is ''acceptable'' to you, I mean, why would you say anything to the contrary? You spent almost 1 grand on a card back in the day and now it performs SIGNIFICANTLY worse than a two hundred dollar 6600 while nvidia actively gatelocks you from features and intentionally cripples your performance.

That must suck.

>>713281621
Geforce 3 in 2001*

>>713281363
Vega isn't even supported anymore kek

>>713281072
>why am I locked out of features like raytracing even though the card can do it
It really can't though. Nvidia even humored complaints like yours and tried to force raytracing on Pascal, and it runs terribly.

nvidia cards hold their value better.

>>713281182
Nothing comes close to the release of 8800GTX
maybe 4090

>>713281664
I own a 4090, and I'm posting from a laptop with a really 4060. Why do you shit eating retards just leap to these idiotic conclusions? Are you literally a paid pajeet shill or are you just a flat out brainrot fanboy retard?

>>713281705
use the mesa driver

>>713279808
they are below msrp in the uk. brexit chads win.

>>713281408
>What the fuck is coding, game development, video editing, 3d modeling, industry physics and architectural engineering, CAD work? >Nobody does any of those things.

>>713281830
Really nice*
Default power limit overridden, performs identical to a desktop 4060

>>713281418
>>713281182
>>713280748
>>713280563
>>713280489
>>713280289
>>713280220
>>713279959
>>713279901
If you all knew about nvidia why didn't you buy it for pennies on the dollar in 1999-2015?

>>713280578
amd stocks did pretty well too. was like $2-3 dollars a decade ago.

>>713281913
Coding is typing, you shit eating moron. You do not need a fancy GPU to type.
Video editing, 3D modeling, none of this is directly GPU intensive, only rendering full scenes is.

Why do you just fucking bluff about things you have no direct experience with? Why be a liar?

linus tech tips ahh thread

>>713281913
this is exactly why I stay with nvidia. AMD you are so severely ham stringed and for what? saving 100$?

>>713281913
none of these things have ever required you to own an nvidia card, brandcuck. Let me guess, you buy apple products too out of brand loyalty?

Why did you delete your post, faggot?

>>713282043
I mean rendering if pretty important.

I OWN STOCKS AND I AM WHITE SAAR
PLEASE GIVE ME RESPECT ON DEAD AND GAY WEBSITE SAAAAR

>>713282002
Because we didn't predict normies getting interested in bitcoin and pc gaming and we certainly didn't predict AI, and even if we did, they are just matrix multipliers why would 1 company wouldn't have a moat. Turns out normalfags literally don't understand anything so they just throw their money all at one place. In reality nvidia is obscenely overvalued and has many competitors in AI who make better products but are still in the penny stock stage

>>713282254
Yes, patel, I literally do own AMD, intel, Nvidia, Broadcom stock. I do not care for your brand fanboyism. You are a butthurt retard who couldn't make a counter argument so you resorted to this after I hurt your feelings.

>>713282104
You are literally required to own an nvidia card if you want to make a game yes. Back in the day they would send me cards every cycle