He's got a point.

no he's retarded as usual

>>713286569
No, you're thinking of Collette. She's the retarded one.

no questions lloyd please continue to deliver the girl for her next dose of space elf aids

Dwarven vow 69

courage is the magic that turns dreams into reality

avatar last airbender had a kids episode about this on nick tv. you cant save every random village you come across because there's greater shit going on.

>>713288036
>regenerate the world
>all the towns got wiped out by half-elf nazis because you speedran the plot
>world is a pretty but almost entirely abandoned wasteland
good job asshole

>>713286524 (OP)
like most parts of the game lloyd is right for the wrong reasons, the only reason the desians haven't wiped that town out yet is because the one leader who wants power for himself is fleecing the town for money and manpower to build his really big laser gun so the idea that lloyd is making the situation worse by standing there and watching people get lynched right in front of him is false. the general theme of the game is that being the idealistic jrpg hero is actually based and correct, its just not always easy and you can become a utilitarian cuck very easily if you aren't careful

>>713288214
and tales of phantasia/avatar showed that even if you save the world, humans will just fight over the spoils and create even greater war. the people who don't take part are the non humans like spirits and elves.

>>713287453
Do the trials actually make the aids worse or does clearing them just coincidentally line up with the aids reaching it's next stage? Because they're just exspheres no?

>>713288905
>ok you had 4000 years of prosperity but was it worth it because eventually things got bad again? better just sit back and watch those grandmas get brutalized lol

>>713288991
>does clearing them just coincidentally line up with the aids reaching it's next stage?
mostly this. colette leveling up her expshere like everyone else on these quests just gives her more aids because she doesn't have the thing that stops her from getting aids the regular exspheres have until lloyd makes one for her in the late game

>>713288692
holy run on sentence batman

>>713289419
Yeah, so even though they don't know it, there's no reason to rush. She'll go terminal no matter what.

What is a good tales of to start with?
Symphonia? is the steam version good?

>>713290096
Symphonia for 2D, Vesperia for 3D
Abyss is good too but not as easily available
PC versions work fine

>>713289859
since the entire reason the desians exist is to be jrpg random battles so yggdrasil can revive his sister through a properly aids'd chosen I guess if they fucked around too long righting wrongs maybe she'd go terminal early? I don't think the writers thought about this nearly that hard though.
>>713290096
>Symphonia? is the steam version good?
symphonia is good but the steam version is a bit of a mixed bag, it runs noticeably worse but has more content then the emulated gamecube original, and also if you're an english language enjoyer you have to deal with the voice acting for all the new content being quiet as fuck for some reason. I also recommend vesperia like the other anon although that game can be a bit of a filter to people who weren't ready for devil may cry the jrpg and wanted something more traditonal

>>713286524 (OP)
Sex with Raine.

>>713290096
Symphonia is a great game, but the PC port is meh. I'd recommend just emulating the GameCube version. But it's not 2D like the other anon said.

>>713290508
Even if she did go terminal early it would just be on to the next chosen. So yggdrasil probably doesn't care.

>>713289419
>the thing that stops her from getting aids
a key crest?

please do not play symphonia. it aged like milk. it was tales studio first time making a 3d game period it was that ugly transition period from 2d to 3d.

tales of the abyss and vesperia both refine everything.

>>713292160
symphonia unironically has a better combo game then abyss and not being able to run circles around enemies means you actually have to fight the enemies (they only figure out how to counter free run in vesperia)

>>713290626
unfathomably based.

>>713286957
No, Lloyd is just as retarded as she is. Them being retards together is why it's so cute.

>>713288214
That's not how it works, Once you regenerate the world the half elf SS fucks off until the other world completes their regeneration a few hundred years later.

>>713292965
iirc symphonia is so broken you can sword rain stagger enemies forever.

>>713290626
>sex with Raine
>she's lecturing you on proper technique and the history of sex in ancient cultures the entire time

>>713293736
both games have their cheeky infinite combos, but symphonia has a lot more hitstun on average so you can do more extensions that aren't full infinite tier instead of being married to base -> arcane -> maybe 1 other thing the entire game like abyss

>>713293736
>>713293945
>not mentioning Photon, the single most broken piece of shit ever conceived

>>713286524 (OP)
>>713288905
>>713293687
>>713293469
Lloyd was 1000% right.
Them saving the people in front of them was the correct route.
Them saving people gave them the support and strength to go further in their journey.
It's how they met important party members or gained their trust, it's how crucial events took place, it's how they got stronger and how they got closer and closer to the big bads. By not ignoring the ones in front of them and not just focusing on the "big picture".

Of course they're only a small group and they can't save everyone (Luin emphasizes this) But they saved the ones that they could and it benefited them in the long run. And even Luin becomes a symbol of hope depending on what the player does.

>>713293945
>>713294027
a lot of tales games are broken i agree. but symphonia is their first 3d game. they didnt learn what worked and what didnt until the later ps2 games.

>Symphonia endgame has characters talk about their goals.
>by the time of Phantasia, they all failed, even fucking Kratos.
>Yuan never lets go of Martel.

>be Kvar
>go out of your way to antagonize Kratos, the guy whose wife you killed despite him having the power to break you in half easily
Was he retarded?

>>713294386
>they didnt learn what worked and what didnt until the later ps2 games.
yeah, not bringing 60fps to the ps2 version.
>>713294487
wasn't kvar himself a half elf ?

>>713294558
Yes, as a Desian Grand Cardinal that's a prerequisite

Imagine choosing the cringe old boomer who betrays you instead of the 10/10 chad who gets free items from literally every woman he sees.

>>713295119
did they ever fix that glitch in the remaster that instantly gives Zelos his Gigolou title? I felt that was intentional on the developers part.

>>713295119
>Guy with tragic backstory
Vs
>Guy with tragic backstory who doesn't pay child support

>>713286524 (OP)
>tales of shitfranchiseia
weebs should be killed and turned into beef jerky

>tales of the rays gives us mithos, yuan, and martel
>no tales game with just kratos, yuan, martel, and mithos.
and why are both events 4000 years apart? Symphonia in between is 4000 from the Dherris Kharlan wars and to Phantasia era.

>failed to make Sandwich

why was Rebirth a 2D title released after symphonia