also
>die in the power bomb room
>last save station: phazon mines entrance
great game

>>713289058 (OP)
Unironically skill issue and filtered. Have fun with your ubislop.

How does the game run on the Switch 2?

>>713289307
Exactly the same. faster loading

>>713289307
It ran like butter on the switch 1, so I can only assume it’s effortless on the switch 2.

>>713289058 (OP)
>go ALL the way down to the bottom of phazon mines
>get powerbomb
>have to go ALL the way back to the top and through a loading screen elevator to a random rock pile in the life tree
>get xray visor
>have to go ALL the way back down to the powerbomb room to jump across invisible platforms
>inbetween all of this is a dozen rooms that lock themselves until you kill a dozen pirates
defend this, you literally can't

>>713289058 (OP)
it does get pretty tough near the end, but what always helps me is to comb through previous levels for powerups

>>713289058 (OP)
One of the greatest games of all time, please go back to fortnite ty

>>713289439
You probably want a game that has automatic battles and a constantly present arrow that tells you where to go.

>>713289385
>>713289398
I hope they release an update that allows for mouse mode when Prime 4 releases

>>713289439
you actually have to go from Lifegrove to the Plasma Processing in Magmoor Caverns for the Plasma Beam, THEN YOU GO back to Phazon Mines to fight the boss and that's when you're off finding the 12 artifacts, which I hate and stopped playing there.

>>713289623
they aren't going to touch any other Prime game for a long time, they're going all in on Prime 4 trying to market it

I just replayed the Gamecube version on Hard, hadn't touched the game in many years. Omega Pirate was the only time I felt like I had a chance of dying, though I guess the initial run from the first save station in Phazon Mines to the second would be my runner-up nomination.

>>713289664
I had like 10 of the artifacts by the time I got the Phazon Suit. You can start that shit really early, especially if you know how the Impact Crater hints work.

The only mistake in Metroid Prime is not making it clearer you should be finding Chozo artifacts throughout the game rather than waiting until the end. For normies they should force you to visit the Artifact Temple early on and scam the hunts, then put up an "Artifact nearby" alert.

>>713292702
you had me until you said to have an Artifact Alert.

>>713289058 (OP)
>>die
Here's your problem retard. Go play tetris or something.

>>713289058 (OP)
There's one somewhat difficult section in the whole game and you got mad about it. Go play kirby or something if you hate any challenge whatsoever.

>play prime on hypermode
>touch one of the electric environmental damage things in the vertical tubes
>instantly die from 3 energy tanks

>>713293018
fuck you, don't bring Kirby into this. He and Samus are friends.

>>713293140
Kirby is a good easy game, that's why I recommended it.

>>713289058 (OP)
>>die in the power bomb room
>>last save station: phazon mines entrance
I agree that this was frustrating

>>713292172
you had like 7

>>713292702
There's an elephant you're ignoring. Check out the developer interviews on youtube, they openly cop to it.
They were practically done making the game, worried it might be too short, they take it to Nintendo and asked what they might should do; and Nintendo says add the triforce shard hunt from Wind Waker, to pad out the game's runtime like they did.

>>713295483
Prime 1 is the only game from that generation which did it well desu, Prime 2 and Wind Waker were much worse about it

>>713295551
fuck no it isn't done well, you have to backtrack the whole god damn game with powerbombs, xray visor, and plasma beam. and Metroid Prime has putrid level design; Again, to pad out the fucking game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJkxpG5R9PI&t=2640

>go deep into phazon mines
>need xray to get past invis platform
>have to GO ALL THE FUCK THE WAY BACK OUT TO THE OVERWORLD
>get xray
>HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY BACK INTO THE DEEPEST PART OF THE MINES AGAIN
>want to go to phendrana
>well fuck you because you are going through norfair EVERY TIME

>get ice beam
>huh this opens white doors
>look at white doors on mini map
>follow them
>end up in sunken space station
>follow the doors
>eventually get to a part that cant pass because LOL gravity suit
>where do you need to go to get it
>phendrana depths on the farthest side of the area
>have to go through norfair
>AND THEN SLOG ALL THE WAY BACK
>doors opened with an alternate beam dont turn doors into reg power doors
>constantly swapping for literally no reason
>remaster doesnt even fix this
>remaster doesnt add basic fast travel points like COME THE FUCK ON

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJkxpG5R9PI&t=4477

>>713296295
>Elevator directly to the deepest part of Magmoor Caverns, which is where the Plasma Beam is.
>Shortcut directly to Phazon Mines entrance, which is right next to the deepest part of Tallon Overworld, which is where the X-Ray Visor is. You also have to go there anyway because it's where the Grapple Beam is.
>Both are right next to the Power Bombs.
People who criticise the backtracking in Metroid Prime just never bothered to learn the map. If anything it gives you too much direction.

each zone should have had a landing pad for samus ship ngl.

if theres one good thing prime did right IIRC was that so you can call your ship and fast travel

>>713289058 (OP)
Why didn't they remaster 2 and 3 too? In prep for 4?
Seems like the natural course of action tbqh

>>713297102
hopefully, we get an actual direct soon. If they aren't there, then we aren't getting them.

>>713297102
too much effort

I can literally only play these games on prime hack.

I need the 500% speed increase for getting around to make it tolerable

>>713297102
Too much work. Nintendo realized Metroid 4 wont sell regardless.

>>713289439
Phazon Mines backtracking is ass, there's no arguing against that. The area itself is cool, but having to go through back and forth dealing with unfun beam pirate ganks isn't.

>>713296985
how the fuck would Magmoor have a landing site, let alone the Phazon Mines?
>>713296527
Magmoor is the smallest area in the game, and going from the TO transporter to the one that connects to Phendrana's Edge doesn't take very long.
>>713296295
what this guy said >>713296934

Prime 1 has tons of shortcuts and a whole bunch of missile expansions and energy tanks spread around the map so you'll never get bored. You're also supposed to make ample use of the Boost Ball which many players tend to forget about.

>>713297893
>how the fuck would Magmoor have a landing site, let alone the Phazon Mines?

elevators, metroid games used them all the time.

>>713297102
Nintendo putting a full trilogy/collection of games together in 1 convienent package at a somewhat reasonable price? Nope can't do that

>>713296934
>the plasma beam is in the middle of magmoor when the phazon elevator is on the opposite side
>phazon mines shortcut requires you going through sunken frigate which is slower than magmoor
its probably been a while since you played but phazon mines is pretty infamous being a pain in the ass to reach

>the annoying ass beam swapping to shoot the RBG doors

>>713289058 (OP)
Only bad thing about this game is scanning is required for 100% completion, which wouldn't be an issue were it not for missable scans, turns it into an OCD simulator in which you have to scan every nook and cranny every time you enter a new room, grinding the pace to a halt, other than that there's nothing wrong with the game.

>>713298149
both Phazon Mines and Phendrana Drifts were disconnected from other locations on purpose to pad out this shit game

prime's problem is that backtracking is intentional rather than optional like in super. Do you know where to go? Well in super the game is now super short. Prime however? Yeah your ass is going through magmoor 3 times in a row after boostball, your ass is going up and down phazon mines 3 times after the super bomb. The only bit of backtracking you can avoid is not getting giga cucked by the fakeout ice beam door after the ice beam since sunken frigate needs the gravity suit. Its pretty blatent padding and it almost entirely gets fixed in prime 2

>>713298149
>>the plasma beam is in the middle of magmoor when the phazon elevator is on the opposite side
Check the map again.

>>713298149
>>713298683
>>phazon mines shortcut requires you going through sunken frigate which is slower than magmoor
This shortcut skips the frigate.

>>713289439
grim…

>>713298016
well no other metroid game (except prime 3) lets you fast travel to areas with your ship. and I appreciate prime using magmoor as a 'connecting tissue' that allows (reasonably) swift travel between each area of the game instead of opting for convenience for the sake of it.

>>713298149
>the plasma beam is in the middle of magmoor when the phazon elevator is on the opposite side
incorrect. the plasma beam room is very close to the phazon elevator. admittedly the Phazon Processing Center (the big room near the Magmoor elevator) is rather tricky to get through.

>>713298467
again, Magmoor is pretty small and you'll only need to traverse half of it until you get Spider Ball. if you know how to move around Magmoor quickly it's not a problem.

>>713289439
someone didn't find the Grapple shortcut in the upper level.

>>713292010
if you’re playing the game for the first time and don’t know the enemies yet and missed a bunch of hp upgrades, you can certainly drop dead here and there

>>713299037
>its pretty small
relative I guess but its still a linear highway of nothing fucking happening. Between the loading elevators its super boring. They really shouldve done what prime 2 did and have powerups give even faster shortcuts through the area

>>713295868
>>713295483

>>713299160
The dark world alone makes navigating through Prime 2 a massive pain in the ass. Temple Grounds is the worst offender, it's split into three disconnected sections and each one has a key in it. So that's like 5 or 6 laggy portal transitions you have to sit through to clear one zone.

I never played MP but I was under the impression that the level design is among the best in all of vidya?
That’s what people claim at least

>>713299465
yeah but thats the end game keyhunt which both games suffer from

>>713299595
endgame keyhunt is far worse in prime 2 than prime 1 because that heavily involves the dark world. the teleporter is kind of nice but it only connects 4 light world locations and one is separated from everything else by multiple elevators so it's not actually that useful.

>>713296573
why does she wear mascara?

>>713299760
to please the pirates

>>713299160
>relative I guess but its still a linear highway of nothing fucking happening
I can see Magmoor becoming an annoyance if you get stuck and don't know where to go, but there's still a bunch of items and artifacts down there that you'll be getting access to as you progress.
>They really shouldve done what prime 2 did and have powerups give even faster shortcuts through the area
those shitty Light Suit teleporters ALWAYS require you to go through that dumbass boost ball room and are usually very far away from the temple keys.
prime 2's level design is pretty bad in general. there are some really really stupid dead ends in the Dark World and finding the right portal can be a bitch sometimes.

I 100 percented Metroid Prime on Hard as a 14 year old in 2002. Why are zoomers so fucking bad at video games?

>>713299845
>prime 2's level design is pretty bad in general
nah its leagues better than prime 1
>need powerbombs
>powerbombs are all the way at the bottom of torvus bog
>elevator takes you right to it upon contemplating the walk back
meanwhile if that were prime 1 you would spend an hour walking all the way there through magmoor caverns

>>713299465
The 3D maps hurt my brain. I don't know what the shapes are supposed to be. They should have made the map look exactly like the game world.

>>713299910
>I beat the game with the maximum amount of health and missiles
that's not as impressive as you think anon

This level design sucks ass, go here, turn around go back, go here, turn around come hack, go here, turn around go back, go here, turn around come hack, go here, turn around go back, go here, turn around come hack,

>>713299910
we all did.
but just because it was fine back then doesn’t mean it hold up well.
we were happy with sub 30fps too back then

>>713300069
Apparently it is if niggers like OP are getting filtered by basic game completion.

>>713299465
The Dark World is just Metroid Prime 1's overworld, the Light World is evocative of Prime 2's improvements over Prime 1.

>>713289058 (OP)
I got filtered on the controls

They better not fuck up MP4 or else…

>>713299985
The shortcut only opens after you already have the Power Bombs.
Before then you have to backtrack all the way from the deepest part of Sanctuary Fortress back to Temple Grounds, and then make your way to the deepest part of Torvus Bog. That's technically three elevator rides.

>>713300153
>anon plays a metroidvania for the first time
>>713299985
a random elevator that only exists for convenience reasons isn't good level design. I'm not saying magmoor is good level design but it's more organic. prime 2 is just lazy in that regard.

>>713289058 (OP)
Filtered. this game is a masterpiece. Sorry it isnt a retarded cross section ass 2d map with unlimited backtracking and fucking 3 button presses to become a fucking ball like overrated as fuck super metroid. 3D metroid takes a HUGE massive shit all over 2D Metroid.

>>713299716
the Dark Visor shows the key bearing enemies from the Light World, and the challenge is then navigating the segmented Dark World to obtain it.

>>713300153
Every room in Metroid Prime is unique, I'm contrast to the repeating corridors and mirrored layout of Halo 2.

>>713300454
good Metroidvanias do not involve going back and forth through hallways, dipshit. the solution is route the level design better. dot the map with collectibles. What Prime 1 does is dogshit, it places collectibles that you don't get the ability for hours later all the way across the game world. it's a fucking chore

Imagine defending excessive backtracking.
it’s lazy game design

>>713300707
backtracking is only lazy game design if the game isn't built around it with shortcuts to guide exploration and things to use your new items on.

>>713300508
>the challenge is then navigating the segmented Dark World to obtain it.
This isn't a challenge it's just boring. If there were lots of new shortcuts in the dark world it'd be fun for routing (like in Prime 1) but it's just as disconnected in the late game as at the start.

by comparison look at Super Metroid, a nice loop back to a previous area with the new ability in tow, very elegant, very practical.

>>713300995
Phazon Mines and Phendrana Drifts are completely disconnected from the rest of the game, it's a fucking chore.

>>713297102
That would be the logical thing to do.
Nintendo is not logical.

>>713300643
>What Prime 1 does is dogshit, it places collectibles that you don't get the ability for hours later all the way across the game world
except in the very example you posted (Chozo Ruins) you get a new upgrade at the end of each path allowing you to access new ones. it's still sort of a tutorial so you're expected to follow a very strict order here but it works.
>it places collectibles that you don't get the ability for hours later all the way across the game world
don't think I've played a metroidvania that doesn't do this and I've played plenty. good metroidvanias give you access to shortcuts and/or place smaller upgrades along the way which Prime 1 does.

>>713301007
you're cherrypicking your examples, ice beam > powerbombs > grapple beam > wrecked ship is retreading a lot of the same ground in super metroid.

>>713301114
via shortcuts

>>713301092
phazon mines and phendrana drifts are right next to each other.

>>713301207
there's no shortcuts between any of these, you have to go through red brinstar every time. you have to climb the tower at least twice

>>713289439
I have the right kind of autism to enjoy this.

>>713301109
>except in the very example you posted
slow clap, I'm not referencing anything with my picture except those obnoxious dead ends. I am very clearly talking about the placement of grapplehooks, fucking boostball is a big one, also the lack of double jump; you have to go all the way across the world and then double back to get them. Take a good fucking look at my picture, you go in that room for a chargebeam, you do not have morphball bombs, if you come back with those then again you dont have spiderball, it's so fucking dogshit and you deserve to be held down and forced to smell it.

>>713301240
>Magmoor Caverns
you're so god damn retarded

>>713301310
you can walljump into Kraid's room, go down to Norfair and get both high jump and ice beam, then you merely go up and to the left and ascend the tower, powerbombs on the way, and it loops back to the ship. very elegant, very practical.

>>713301423
>walking through 3 rooms is unacceptable backtracking because Le MagMOoR CaVeRNs meem

>>713300173
prime was always a solid 60fps you fucktard

>>713301556
How many times does one run back and forth through Magmoor Caverns during the game? tally them up and stop being a faggot.

>>713301607
>goalposts
We're done here.

>>713301007
based my favorite part of Overrated Metroid for SNES is how Metroid is like 10000 pixels big and the fucking bosses scroll off screen because they're too big, yes i LOVE how nothing fits on the screen because the thing back then was to show how BIG the sprites were on the fucking Super Nintendo! Look how BIG OUR SPRITES ARE NOW!!! Bullshit.

Where the fuck are they?

>>713301661
Accusing me of moving the goalpost, you're so fucking retarded you didn't know what I was talking about to begin with. Get fucked

>>713301527
>you can walljump into Kraid's room
Sequence breaking is another story entirely, if you're sequence breaking in Metroid Prime you can skip the hive mecha for missiles and also the backtracking after the boost ball.
> go down to Norfair and get both high jump and ice beam, then you merely go up and to the left and ascend the tower, powerbombs on the way, and it loops back to the ship
You still need to go back for the grappling beam unless you do additional sequence breaks.

>>713301734
pls just at least remaster echoes, idgaf about corruption it sucked.

>>713301092
they're connected through Magmoor just like everything else is.

>>713301359
>if you come back with those then again you dont have spiderball
well you're still getting a missile expansion. I seriously don't get why anyone would be annoyed by this. you're supposed to go back to the Chozo Ruins anyway once you have the Spider Ball so you can check out the Charge Beam room again while you're at it. having multiple "upgrade gates" in subsequent rooms is not a Prime-exclusive design choice, 2D Metroids have done this as well.

>you have to go all the way across the world and then double back to get them.
"all across the world" you gotta be kidding lmao. between the TO transporter and the Phendrana one there's like what, 3 Magmoor rooms? if you want to go through the Ruins again feel free, it's a good idea since you can get some new items there with the Boost and later with the Space Jump. there's always something new for you to do wherever you go.

>>713301734
>prime 3 remaster
>nerfs hyperbeam and buffs everything else
this is all I want please god

>>713299523
>ignore shortcuts
>ignore boost ball and ball jump to plow through levels
>waaaaaah backtracking too long
That's your average player

>>713301734
MP2 will get dumped onto NSO GC.

>>713301734
Never coming

>>713289225
Fpbp

>>713289225
fpbp

>>713302465
space jump and grapple beam also do more to speed up backtracking than people appreciate btw. rooms like this get way simpler. I can think of tons of examples where space jump trivialises certain rooms.

I gave up at Omega Pirate.

>>713289058 (OP)
Post your favorite tracks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsRLxTC1dv8

>>713301734
>>713301105
I guess Nintendo just really need Retro to finish Prime 4 now considering we have an official deadline now. I'd much rather wait a few more months than have some other 3rd party studio phone in the 2/3 remasters.
>>713302169
>idgaf about corruption it sucked
Respectable opinion but it'd be strange if they skipped the title that connects directly to 4.
To be fair they'll probably just give us a quick recap of the previous games because they sure as hell aren't porting Hunters over.

>>713297893
What sucks is how often you have to go through magmoor where the boost ball is useless in 90% of the rooms.

I played it for the first time recently because I only played 3 as a kid for whatever reason, and even with making ample use of the boost ball the game's issue with backtracking is simply not knowing which of the 5 spots to use a new item you got is the way towards the next item and which is just for an expansion/useless area you still need another item before actually making progress. I like backtracking and clearing out optional items, but if you get unlucky and the next critical path item happens to be the last check you do just a few times you're going through the whole circuit of the game way too many times and there's too few bonus items in the game to keep you that interested when doing those whole circuits. It takes way too long to traverse the whole map for you to only do 3 new things while going around.

>>713302636
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__T6j0xZX2s

>>713301734
Likely never. More probable they will just put the originals or trilogy on the subscription expansion service.

>>713303113
lives rent free in my head. but for me it's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5PxjpW0fuc
cause you go here A LOT

>>713302873
>Respectable opinion but it'd be strange if they skipped the title that connects directly to 4.
>To be fair they'll probably just give us a quick recap of the previous games because they sure as hell aren't porting Hunters over.
not wrong but honestly i think it is way more likely none of them are getting remade, especially when they can just put them up on GCN online. :/

>Get power bomb early in phendrana's edge
>Can get x-ray visor the first time through
>Can get grapple the first time through
>Make short detour for plasma after that
>Also have all but three artifacts by the time I get Phazon Suit because I'm not retarded

>>713302939
assuming that the player immediately remembers where those boost ball spots are (14 yo me definitely didn't) the only places you'd go to are Chozo Ruins and TO, so there's no need to go back and forth through Magmoor as they are connected to each other.
Space Jump is arguably the most fun upgrade in the game so even if you get stuck you can reach a lot more places now which is cool. still, common sense should tell you to go back to Phendrana.
After getting Spider Ball your path is blocked by an Ice Beam door. The only other area with Spider Ball tracks is Chozo Ruins iirc (Magmoor too but you're already there.)
So you get Ice Beam and return to the first Ice Beam door you saw.
Is there anything else you can do with that other than heading straight for the Frigate? Xray and Power Bombs are probably the worst offenders.
Progress after Plasma Beam is also a no-brainer though.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that there's not that much confusion if you follow the most logical path.
Ultimately it comes down to how much patience you have with this stuff. Metroidvanias are mostly about running into roadblocks but Prime gets a lot of hate for it because it's kind of a slow game. I don't think it's that bad tho.

>>713295868
Realistically you need to backtrack to phendrana once you get plasma beam for a few and that's it, everything else can be gotten more or less on the way

Prime 1: GOOD!!! :)
Prime 2: GOOD!!! :)
Prime 3: NOT GOOD!!! :(
Prime 4: ?

>>713302465
>boost ball zipping on first playthrough
sure

>Replaying Prime 2
>Want to start getting temple keys early like I do the artifacts
>Forgot when you get the dark visor so I'm just impatiently waiting for it
>Get it 2/3 of the way through the game
>Start looking at the clues I've gathered to see what's possible
>There's one or two I can get now, and they're both in annoying Dark World spots of the hub, the rest demand the Light Suit
>The few that I can get are so far out of the way that it's not worth even bothering until I get the Light Suit because of how segmented Prime 2's progression is
Sky Temple Keys are everything people think is wrong with Artifacts except the problems actually exist

>>713302608
you literally just have to shoot missiles at his head

They could at least drop a patch to boost the resolution of the Prime remaster on Switch 2. That wouldn't take away from Prime 4's hype buildup.

>>713305718
yeah it looks like shit in portable mode

>>713305236
Prime 3 just had some weird choices
First off the aura of isolation was gone entirely, and I don't just mean Rundas / Ghor / Gandrayda who all get corrupted when Dark Samus returns to fuck shit up.
Hyper Beam was broken but in the wrong way.
Pirate Homeworld wasn't fun to navigate.
They tried to incorporate a larger galaxy as a replacement to going from one realm to another but it just made each feel like "levels"

>>713305648
yet they're more enjoyable. makes you think.

>>713304827
once to phendrana, once to phazon, once to chozo, once to magmoor,

>>713289307
The same as it has, unfortunately no res bump update

>>713304538
>Make short detour for plasma
>have all but three artifacts
incorrect, those two lines don't add up

>>713304816
Spider ball isn't too much of an issue other than the actual progression track being the least assuming one of the ones available, because most of the other tracks are in chozo ruins as well so you'll get to it if you guess wrong. Most of the other spider tracks are memorable because they make it clear that it's a path to a new area (or the weird decision to block the normal sunchamber entrance and force the revisit from the exit), whereas the actual progression just looks like it's going to lead to a missile expansion or something.
Ice beam is the worst offender though because you get ice beam right next to 2 (two) connections to tallon overworld where there are several ice beam doors, one of which is a one way path. So you get ice beam, think you need to take the long slow fucking way down into the frigate for gravity suit there, find just an e-tank, now you want to try the other path into the overworld but it was a 1 way before so you have to go back through the chozo ruins to get there only to find out you can't progress that way without power bombs. From there you need to go back to chozo ruins to be able to make it to phendrana to actually get gravity and then return to the area in overworld you initially thought you were supposed to go to in the first place.
X-ray is also a bit silly, but thankfully I had no power bomb ammo when I did the geothermal core and decided to go elsewhere with grapple/powers before returning so I didn't have a problem with that, other than having to make an extra phedrana trip since I went there without plasma which I figure most people would get immediately after grapple/powers

Really the biggest issue is how empty and slow to traverse magmoor is while forcing you to go through magmoor to get to phedrana which they seemed to have an obsession with forcing you to revisit phedrana as many times as possible, plus vaguely one extra visit to each area to get whatever artifact you ended up missing there

>>713302371
>"all across the world" you gotta be kidding lmao.
check the game's map

>>713305648
I still enjoyed sky temple keys way more than the artifacts idgaf if you can get them earlier

>>713308467
>So you get ice beam, think you need to take the long slow fucking way down into the frigate
fuck those fucking developers in the ass

>>713308736
prime 1 copers will do any amount of mental gymnastics to claim that you would be retarded to go into the frigate before heading all the way back to phendrana. But the first fucking ice beam door you see is for the frigate, and going into the frigate first triggers a hint that you fuck off back to phendrana so it was clearly planned

>>713308287
Most of those are part of "on the way" backtracking though. You don't have to explicitly visit those areas for the artifacts, you can get them on the way at various points in the game
>Phazon mines
You'll pass the pirate elite once you've gotten power bombs, and the morph ball phazon thing is two rooms prior to where you get the suit
>Magmoor
The first can be gotten as soon as you enter the room since all you need are missiles, and the other only requires space jump and boost ball, both of which you are guaranteed to have while passing through that room early on
>Chozo Ruins
The flaghra one can be gotten any given time you're in the area after spider ball, and the tower of light one can and should be gotten as a minor detour when you're traveling through the area to get to the sunken frigate with your gravity suit

>>713308408
Sorry you're right it was all but four, I forgot about the phazon suit one because it's so close by that it was a non-issue

>>713309647
3 of them in Phendrana require plasma beam, 1 of them in Talon requires plasma beam, 1 of them in Phazon requires the suit,

>>713295282
I didn't have the one in the phazon tunnel that's like a 2 minute backtrack from that specific boss and the corrupted Elite Pirate one. You don't have to beeline to the Omega Pirate once you get the Plasma Beam, there's like 3 artifacts you can get if you run back to Chozo Ruins and Phendrana Drifts first.

>>713310113
You can get one of the ones in phendrana early with a well placed missile, skips having to go back to the pirate base and you can do it in every version

>>713309403
>You'll pass the pirate elite once you've gotten power bombs
you'll actually open up shortcuts that go right past the elite, and do actually need to make a concerted effort to get that one
>Magmoor
one requires xray at least the first playthrough in conjunction with super missiles
>Chozo Ruins
you need to go out of your way to get the one in Sunchamber, out of your way for the Tower of Light, and out of your way to the Chamber of Elders

believe me, I know why the game sucks

>>713310336
I didn't even know there were sequence breaks in Prime, it's locked down like fort knox

>>713310256
7+5=12, you had like 7, not 10

>>713289058 (OP)
Game is 10/10 until you find out you're locked from the ending till you go artifact hunting.

>>713310475
I'm telling you the two I didn't have and the three I got before going to Omega Pirate. I had 10.

>>713310625
eh you sequenced broke quite a bit to swing that

>>713310341
>you'll actually open up shortcuts that go right past the elite
Or you could just go to the elite to check out that power bombable containment pod you surely saw earlier
>in conjunction with super missiles
You don't need a super missile, two or three regular missiles does the trick. I get it on my first trek through the room every time
> out of your way for the Tower of Light
It's literally right next to the entrance and you will be right by it with the gravity suit on your way to the frigate. It's not out of the way at all

The sunchamber one is also right by the magmoor elevator so it's very easy to route around it, only the plasma beam artifacts are out of the way

>>713310834
>Or you could just go to the elite
yeah, you could go out of your way to the elite, and in fact you'll have to.

>>713310834
>You don't need a super missile
well that's interesting, I didn't know that one

>>713310834
>It's literally right next to the entrance
an entrance you're really far away from when you obtain gravity suit

>>713310834
>The sunchamber one is also right by the magmoor elevator
on the opposite end of magmoor caverns, yes

>>713310395
There's a few noteworthy ones.
>Space Jump Early - only convenient on the first NTSC release or an emulated version with scan dash re-enabled. Really easy to do in these versions
>Early control tower artifact
>Power Bombs Early - There's a few different ways to do it, the one in phendrana's edge is available in all versions, not sure about Remastered but it should still be possible
>The above lets you get X-ray and grapple beam early, again in all versions
>Can also get Plasma Beam early - once again only really convenient in the first NTSC release
Pretty sure there's some early missiles as well but I never bothered with it

>>713310738
Not really, once you get the Plasma Beam the next thing on the mandatory list is running back to Phazon Mines to fight Omega Pirate. From Power Bombs, you get the Grapple Beam and X-Ray Visor, and from the Grapple Beam you get the Plasma Beam in Magmoor. Since you're in Magmoor, it's not too hard to fuck off to any one place and not just Phazon Mines, which is also certainly an optio, but you can run the mental checklist of all the Plasma Beam spots you've seen and do those first if you want to, which nets you 3 artifacts if you're thorough.

>>713289058 (OP)
skill issue

>>713311136
You literate pass right by it on the way to the frigate, unless you're taking the north magmoor elevator in which case the sunchamber bitching gets invalidated. You will pass by one of the artifacts during this time

>>713289058 (OP)
something seems weird here, you could've just played well and not died.
It's not a hard game.

>>713311541
>literate
I'm a fucking moron