Man, I so wish I could've played this game when I was 12 years old. Unfortunately I lived in the sticks and didn't even know what kinds of games were available for PS1.
I'm going through the game now, and while the setting and plot are interesting (and those animated cutscenes would've blown my mind back then), everything related to the gameplay is so aggressively shallow that it's difficult to not grow bored despite the intrigue... As a kid I didn't have any standards and would've just happily mashed my way through the game while being invested in the story, but now this is really difficult to endure when the game part falls so flat.

>>713299110 (OP)
Xenogears a shit.

JRPGs just aren't that good to play. They are carried hard by their setting, premise and characters.

Possibly the best story ever told in a JRPG, maybe videogames in general

>>713300000
I enjoyed playing tales of eternia

What the fuck was his problem?

>>713299402
Typical low IQ, low T Xenoblade faggot

>>713300715
This guy filtered me on my first several runs as a kid. I remember restarting the game several times dreading getting to this part. Then eventually I figured out I could spam wild smile on him and he would miss every attack. The first time I beat him I was literally jumping around the room with joy

>>713299110 (OP)
Ironically it was the exact opposite for me. I played it on my hacked PSP back in like 2015 and hated it. Fast forward 10 years and I finally gave it another try. It became one of my favorite games of all time

>>713299110 (OP)
Got around to this one this year
Disc 2 wasn't that bad, in fact it'd be even more tedious if it was the length of disc 1
I got tired of the same songs though, they are good songs, but it's a 60 hour game and the OST only has 44 songs and there are only like 10 songs in rotation mostly throughout the game

>>713300774
All of Xeno a shit. Should have stuck with the original idea.

>>713304243
>chrono trigger
Nah.

I got it when it released and bought the strategy book too, mostly just to flip through and look at the artwork.

>>713300000
Wasted digits.

>>713299110 (OP)
I played it when I was 16 and it was shit then.

>>713300000
Unfortunately largely true. Most JRPG series' are servicible at best in the battle system, including the various tales and star oceans.
What's worse is you also have cases like fairy fencer, where by some freak accident they come up with a very good battle system, and then render it completely moot because you don't have to use any of it to begin with.
I'll still take 4 niggas in a row over the lame halfassed shit they're trying to pass off as ARPG though.

>>713299110 (OP)
Pretentious drivel

>>713299110 (OP)
This is the sad truth. My opinion was Xenogears was the GOAT of the PS1, but aged like warm milk. Absolutely unplayable by modern standards.
I've never seen a fall like it?

>>713299110 (OP)
>Perfect works still not finished
Finish it niggers its been years

>>713301550
Same, and in retrospect all you have to do gor every night is just buy the newest gear. Hardest fights;
End boss > This guy > thus guys twin on the way too the gloating city.

>>713305553
Im playing BoF3, it's grindy as fuck but there is a flow state to it. I don't mind the non stimulating combat.

>>713305821
you have a better chance of GRRM actually finishing his books than Perfect Works getting finished

>>713305782
I think that Vagrant Story fell off harder. Those animations, limited equipment and long loading times are unbearable these days. But Vagrant's story core gameplay mechanics remain engaging, while Xenogears' never were.

>>713299110 (OP)
>everything related to the gameplay is so aggressively shallow that it's difficult to not grow bored despite the intrigue...
welcome to JRPGs
the #1 otaku slop genre

Honestly man Xenogears had a great story but you do kinda just do the same fucking moves repeatedly. Common JRPG issue, the story/setting/music/vibes are what you play for.

>>713299110 (OP)
I have fond memories of finally beating this game in my little tent at the campground my parents set up for me in the wee hours of the morning and then jacking off to pics of Elly in the strategy guide.

>>713299110 (OP)
I've played 80's rpgs with better gameplay than Gears and I'm not talking about disk 2. Gears' gameplay was just an unfinished mess.

Xenogears was one of the first games I played when it came out. My brothers and I played that Gears fighting mini-game in Nortune obsessively.

we also got filtered by that water puzzle so hard we just grinded all of our characters to 99 in the area because the combat was fun

>>713299110 (OP)
you're supposed to pat yourself on the back not thinking the game is easy or slow, but thinking that you're a genius and the majority of people couldn't out-think the game the way you can.
The internet fucking ruined JRPGs for me
To be fair, most normies would actually probably think these games are intensely difficult and intellectually trying.

>>713307243
>quadruple agent

>>713306990
Don't even approach Legend of Legaia or Legend of Dragoon then. In Legaia you basically have those build-a-combos that take some time to finish. Sometimes the combos are so long that you already beat the enemy into a pulp several times over and the final attack still didn't trigger.

Dragoon has the opposite: your normal attacks are so weak that you need to spam Additions (the combos in Dragoon). That's why everyone who played Dragoon knows all additions by name, because that's all you ever did.

MADNESS
HERO!

>>713307875
god forbid people have different tastes

>>713299110 (OP)
Do not worry. When you get to the second disc there is barely any gameplay anymore. Is mostly text.

>>713306773
I was JUST thinking of playing this rom. Hmmmmm.

>>713308093
>In Legaia you basically have those build-a-combos that take some time to finish.
Yeah, but at least Legaia's combos have unique effects and strategic value, whereas 90% of Gears' Deathblows are just marginally better physical attacks from previous ones.

>>713308854
HU
HAH
PUH
SORE!
ORYAHHH!

(Also, 99% of Xenogears players don't recognize the girl with the hair drills during the ending animation)

My twelve year old mine could barely handle watching taboo ultraviolence anime like Akira and Dragon Resurrection, i wonder what i would feel about that crucifixion moment in the second disc.

Xenogears was never good. Saying it just didn't age well is cope. There are other ps1 jrpgs that still play well today and certainly were better back then. Grandia being an obvious one.

>>713309156
Gameplay isn't everything

>>713309242
Cope some more. I guess slow as fuck text speed doesn't matter either.

"By modern standards" just means you turned into a soft bitch who can't handle the slightest effort or inconvenience.

>>713309330
Correct

>>713309340
>jrpg
>effort
Yeah, the effort to stay awake.

>>713299110 (OP)
there was a discussion on games with literary quality In an e33 thread, and I forgot to add this game there.

>>713309156
I think you were too young for it. I can't picture a 36 yrold plus talking like you.

>>713309390
fortnite is at the bottom right

>>713309390
The pinical of zoom zoom brain. What tiktok and YouTube does to a millennial.

>i wish i played this EOP fanfiction instead of real game like xenoblade 2

im a zoomer and im currently playing this. im 6 hours in and i already love it. the 90s anime cutscenes are fantastic and the start is already unique

>>713309425
On the contrary, I think you have to be both young and dumb to be impressed by Xenogears. Past a certain age you've seen or read the stories it plagiarized.

>>713309603
gooner bait isn't a real game

The game has one flaw and it's the SLOOOOOOOW unskippable dialogue. Almost unplayable without emulation.

>>713309725
Visual novels aren't a real game.

>>713309790
they are.

>>713309648
Godspeed, remember to use a guide for those hard dungeons in the 2nd disc. At least that's where i got stuck a bit.

>>713299110 (OP)
uh huh, and what about chrono trigger's combat then? you retarded nigger, i bet you praise that ultra thin less than puddle deep simplistic nigger trash to the moon, fuck off you retarded fucking cocksucking niggerfaggot kike

>>713309773
>>713309506

>>713309707
>Past a certain age you've seen or read the stories it plagiarized.
Besides Evangelion which I'd call more a contemporary what are you talking about?

>>713309853
Thanks anon, i think i'll try with the strategy guide

>>713309085
>(Also, 99% of Xenogears players don't recognize the girl with the hair drills during the ending animation)
Maria? She's kind of busted in that one dungeon since Omegasols are dirt-cheap and you can spam her Siebzehn moves.

>>713309831
he's right in that visual novels aren't games
but he's wrong in that xenogears isn't a visual novel, no matter how hard he wants to cope like as if it is
moral of the story is that zoomers will never understand anything ever, as they are incapable of comprehension

>>713309967
Unless they read Hebrew scriptures and the bible they are talking out of their ass and only recently played the game.

>>713309882
Retard.

>>713310104
Yea, Im pretty sure he won't respond.

>>713310104
Literally the most talked about scene on this board is copied from Onions Green. Xenogear fans are retarded.

>>713309603
Xenoblade is trash.

>>713310430
You mean the one random mission that has no baring on the actual story?

>>713310703
Thank you coming to conclusion that this game is just some nerd shoving all his favorite movies, anime and novels into a single story. Something a teenager would write.

>>713299110 (OP)
disk 2 is shit. also after main protag loses his psycho alter ego it becomes boring.

>>713310851
I think you are confused. This isn't a Hideo Kojima thread.

>>713299110 (OP)
>everything related to the gameplay is so aggressively shallow that it's difficult to not grow bored despite the intrigue... As a kid I didn't have any standards and would've just happily mashed my way through the game while being invested in the story, but now this is really difficult to endure when the game part falls so flat.


Disc 2 they ran out of money and it's actually a huge relief because there is more story than gameplay.

>>713310851
You still haven't really answered the question. Evangelion and Onions Green. That's it?

>>713311113
Why isn't it onionslent green?

isoyangambianite

>>713310703
>You mean the one random mission that has no baring on the actual story?


Not that guy but you EAT ONIONS GREEN THE ENTIRE FUCKING STORY ITS NOT JUST ONE SCENE. You're eating people every time you use a healing item. Look at the prefixes of the items. Sol- They say later all medicine comes from that factory too.

>>713311236
That's cool, never noticed that. Fuck, what a great game.

>>713311236
And all the memory cubes are made by them as well. Its almost like it was all part of a plan...

I turned myself into a bullet Billy! I'm bullet Jessiiiiie!

I'm a giga-zoomer bladefag and even I love Gears. If it's 2nd disk was completed and could flesh everything out like the 1st it would unquestionably be the best of the Xeno-series, but as it is now it's just on par with the best of Blade and both are better than Saga

>>713300715
was just the prototype

>>713300000
checked

>>713309648
Very based. I hope you continue to love the game.

>>713309648
>s anime cutscenes are fantastic and the start is already unique


That fucking moment that opening scene is put into context was my favourite parts of the game. I dont want to give anything away.

>>713305904
The fact that the game is balanced around buying the best Gear equipment means it is very well tuned in Gear fights compared to contemporary JRPGs. Can't overlevel characters too easily nor does it have so much of an impact on Gear fights, which often come down to the wire in 2nd disc bosses.

>>713299110 (OP)
Beyond kino

>>713311873
kys

>>713315058
>rewatch the opening after finishing the game
>what seemed like random nonsense the first time makes perfect sense now

>>713316365
what are your graphics settings?

>>713317639
Truke. Absolute kino.

>>713318679
I don't know i saved these from here.

>>713299110 (OP)

I played it when I was 12 and it was pure unadulterated kino. It was the standard which I use to rate all other JRPGs.

Nothing has come close.

Will they show up in the next Xenoverse entry?

>>713299110 (OP)
Still mad about Disk 2.

>>713319434
10 years for this SHIT

>>713319489
why? it's the best part of the game.

>>713300137
LOFL

>>713304842
Wasted game.

>>713319992
>No argument

>>713299110 (OP)
Thats because the game was made on a shoestring budget after it was demoted from FFVII to standalone, so everything but the story had to be scaled back massively in order to make both the budget and the deadline, after that Square Enix once again betrayed Takahashi when the game sold a million units but they refused to fundthe sequel and instead poured that money on Spirits Within, which is what caused him to leave for good and found Monolith.
If you want to play the actually finished version of this game you need to play Xenoblade 3.

>Elly's first animated cutscene
>yells at you in Solarian dialect
>little dick moves
I had no hope from the very start, bros..

The game isn’t unfun, it’s just fucking hard. They expect you to have max equips at every single point to progress, before the final battle you have to grind for hours for secret equips from a secret dungeon because he’s literally impossible to beat without them. They increased the difficulty because the game was unfinished, short, I’m sure. The game’s fucking great though, I really liked it. Also try Breath of Fire IV

>>713308184
But how can you have a taste that's shit?

>>713299110 (OP)
Yeah, the combat in this filtered the fuck out of me. I always end up quitting because the combo system feels both tedious and pointless to me. I would have preferred simple Dragon Quest style combat to whatever Square was trying to do with this game.

>>713310430
Yes, but its furries

>>713311367
Yes, the game is like having a suppository to end its severe dysentery.

>>713307110
Holy based

>>713319434
Yes /v/, the Xeno series. 26 years of Takahashi, who fucked Square and created his own company Monolith because he can't make up his fucking mind.

>>713321459
Takahashi left Square because they were constantly giving him the short end of the stick and he got sick of it when he saw them blow the money they promised him for the sequel in that stupid CGI movie nobody liked.

>>713321673
And in a way, you CAN blame Xeno for the creation of the latter and thus Takahashi for the death of the original Square

Still the coolest mech that isn’t from Gundam

>>713321953
Takahashi played no part in the demise of Square, that was all Nomura with his emo Disney shit, all Takahashi did was leave when he realized the company was run by retarded gibbons.

>>713320949
There's also the traps, of which there are several.

>>713322132
Nah

>>713319434
Next Xenoblade will fit space exploration and you will travel to the planet they landed on you will find the Mimeosomes are still all fuctional thanks to the Ares bullshits and they are acting as caretaker of their new humans they started creating in the Lifehold sperm bank while the various races that escaped Mira settled down on their own too and living in harmony, at the point of you discovering this alt universe humanity both Alois Bernholt and Elma are dead and you can find a monument their honor, the Ares is now controlled by Cross who is canonically a man Mini and acts as the new Hero and guardian of all New Mira life

>>713322236
>a romantic scrapyard adventure

>>713299110 (OP)
>abandon standard turn based combat
>hey this is cool
>one hour later
>holy shit this fucking sucks

>>713322265
No.

It sucks that Elly in the shower wasn't a cutscene.

>>713299110 (OP)
that era is about the worst it gets for jrpg gameplay, there was too much focus on long detailed animations
this made it more time efficient (by a lot) to just do the basic attack/heal scheme which encouraged grinding, which lowers the effective "difficulty slider"

a game that doesn't needlessly waste your time would have you using commands that aren't just your basic attacks which would allow you to take on riskier situations while balancing your resource economy and etc
that's why handheld jrpgs were generally the greatest

>>713322265
that sound so fucking shit

>>713319983
>exposition dump
>story twists revealed (and suck)
>endless corridor simulator with 400000 random battles
>abruptly ends because they ran out of time/funding
it spits on everything that came before it.

>>713322132
Weltall-2 clears that overdesigned trash

>>713299110 (OP)
>Man, I so wish I could've played this game when I was 12 years old.
So you could misunderstand a story by 2 japanese grad students badly misinterpreting gnosticism and trying to hamfist a story 10x harder than Anno ever could? On purpose?

>>713322304
You can have sex in Steamboat Chronicles. It’s a fucking perfect game IMO I hope they revive the series

>>713309707
it's called allusion and inspiration anon, not plagiarism. know the difference.
here have some crucified chu chu.

>>713323081
>tendie
>filtered by Gears and Eva
kek

>>713323413
botpost or gen alpha? you decide!

>>713299110 (OP)
You're emulating it, fast forward that shit. There's a reason why most if not all JRPG remasters include that as a feature.

>>713309156
>Grandia
The absolute most irritating voice """acting""" in game history. Makes the original Resident Evil's acting seem Oscar-worthy by comparison.

>>713304243
I didn't think anything of it at the time, but it seems really strange that everyone is living in domed cities with a landscape that looks perfectly fine, especially so when these cities are so small percentage-wise compared to the rest of the map.

>>713323081
>gay furry tendie
Opinon discarded.

>>713323685
a lot of assumptions to project all at once

>>713323561
why do people meme about the dolphin guy? I don't remember him doing anything out of the ordinary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faJMFBBlvJs
on an anonymous website I can admit that I like all of the xeno game credits themes and not worry about people thinking I'm gay

>>713324498
The entire ost is so good, I wish SE had given Mitsuda more work over the years.

>>713323492
Grandia 2's voice acting was great tho

people complaining about xenogears are fucking faggots

>>713300000
True, but nothing beats that feeling of adventure. It's the best we got.

>>713323492
I played the undub version for the voices didn't bother me.

>>713322205
Still killed it.

>>713322326
>turn game on
>holy shit this fucking sucks

>>713323635
'Gears was supposed to be Chrono 2.

And to think, some want it 2.5D'ed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBG5zhPtp2E&ab_channel=VitorMaccari

>>713299110 (OP)
Just play Xenosaga, its at least finished.

>>713325304
Gears > Blade > Saga.

>>713300000
That applies to wrpgs just as much if not more

>>713325304
hot

>>713325304
>the dull look on everyone's faces
It's like a level of Hell never thought of to play a Xeno game.

mine.
elly, prim, and margie are all mine too.

>>713299110 (OP)
>I wish I could've played this when I had no standards
yeah, the ps1 aged like milk.

>>713322205
Takahashi has a worse sense for business and picking the right moves than Rutger Hauer did though.
His entire career is a like a fucking rube goldberg machine.

>>713299402
FPBP

>>713327584
Can't totally put the blame on him anon. Sora IS fucking insane.

bump

>>713325304
>Xenosaga
>Finished.

>>713325304

T-ELOS was subsequently reborn a whore and tool in a different universe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N9vGWvViug

>>713323635
its probably to protect the environment. also who knows, there could be deadly pollen or something in the air people react badly to

>>713330806
We can at least appreciate Blade 2 and the weak Switch hardware saved us from high poly potato faces.