Thread 713333927

Now I'm getting sad.
Could a $20 price tag have saved it?

>>713333927 (OP)
more like $3

Nah, there are a lot of games doing well with co-op despite the high asking price. People really weren't interested in the game in the first place. A lower price might've helped but not by much.

>>713333927 (OP)
l4d is pratically free

Their competition is f2p.
Their main demographic are control fans, which this game doesn't cater to.
Why this game was made or even greenlit is beyond me.

I've never heard of this game. That might be the biggest reason I didn't even consider playing it.

>made by the fags who made that shitty control game with the obnoxious man jawed he-she on the front cover
rip in piss

>>713334490
I'm just thinking over and over about Alan Wake: American Nightmare. Obviously I got it on sale, and it was fun for that price - 3 levels played in 3 different ways. Then there was some tacked-on arcade mode with achievements for kills, which I didn't git gud at. It's like, that's not the point of this single player game (more like DLC) at all.
It boggles the mind that they doubled down on this model. You WILL replay our 5 rehashed Control levels many times each, and you WILL like it. Well, only die-hard Control fans do, apparently?

was this shit supposed to be a big deal or something?

>>713334693
To add to that, a slide from their investor presentation: a claim that it's realistic for this game to sell 3 million copies. If they put it into their bundle for free, I guess?

>>713333927 (OP)
Not having the same colorful junky scrapyard lefty-rebels style that all other flops have would have helped

>>713334490
> Why this game was made or even greenlit is beyond me.
It could be desperation. Remedy borrowed 15 million euros from Tencent. This game had a budget of 30 million euros. According to the terms of the loan, if they can't pay it back then Tencent can claim shares instead. They were probably hoping this would help them pay back the loan, but they are now in an even bigger hole financially. It's looking dire for them.

>>713334749
See >>713334783
Before I expected something that might be fun for 10-20 bucks, as I love Control, now I'm just waiting for a big sale and am properly confused as to WTF are they doing.
>>713334825
Also true, I haven't looked at many gameplay videos, but they wanted players to stand out against the rest, I suppose.

>>713334645
You should probably kill yourself.

>this is the new remedy game
yikes

literally first time hearing about it

>>713334896
>they wanted players to stand out against the rest
The rest of the in-game characters? Maybe.
They certainly don't stand out among the rest of other videogames' characters

>>713334901
you first, noid
youve got 41% to join, after all

>>713334490
>Their competition is f2p.
No are not. Pretty much all Coop games of note cost money. It doesn't require that many players to funtion, so the genre doesn't need to rope in million thirdies just to fill lobbies.

>>713334891
They could just have released Alan wake 2 on steam

>>713334645
>>713334973
Meds

>>713334490
>Their main demographic are control fans, which this game doesn't cater to.
Maybe that should clue you in that the game's main demographic wasn't Control fans, but I'll grant that a lot of the rest of the general gaming audience make surface level associations like this and assume shit "isn't for them"

>>713334693
A relevant picture: AW:AN getting 250 concurrent players on release and 750 (its absolute peak) after the Humble Bundle lol

these fuckers deserve bankruptcy

>>713335036
Main demographic and target demographic are 2 different things.
Main demographic are their established playerbase; peopl who loves control.
Target demographic are people who love coop games, they would rather spend their time playing better games.

>>713334825
>lefty-rebels style
The fuck does that even mean? Speak english, Sanchez.

Maybe they'll finally go back to making fun games?

>>713333927 (OP)
I'm not trying to say that I'm an economical financial genius, but it always makes me wonder, why do these companies do something wildly different that doesn't even make sense, even if you would ignore what the company did before? For example, Control. Control was about a girl that had telekinetic power. It was new, it was cool, especially because not many games really leaned into telekinesis, you can telekinetically fly, manipulate objects, and shoot shit with your mind. That's something that's actually interesting to a lot of people. Why did they do fucking COOP GAME that's a left 4 dead clone. That's the biggest question, why? It makes no sense. The demographics are literally different. On the one side, you have people that play a single-player game with a hero that has superpowers in a scp setting. Zero internet connection. It's a single-player experience with telekinesis. Then, the next game, you make online coop game. That means you essentially start from zero. All the fans of control see this and say "nah".
What were they thinking. It's cool to not always make a "game 7: the seventh" but why the fuck make something like that?

>>713335120
>>713335168
Y'all need a new hobby and life without Internet access.

>>713333927 (OP)
I saw trailers for it and was interested, but then I read the reviews and it turns out it's like 5 or 6 hours of content. That's barely early access level.

>>713335230
Build brand while the A-team focus on the actual sequel to Control.

>>713335120
>>713335168
>>713335208
>>713335283
>beep boop
Clean it up, janny

>>713335283
They finally started making a profit late last year, your shilling hasn't worked

>>713333927 (OP)
What even is this game and how come I haven't heard of it?

>>713335172
you know exactly what it means, dishonest troon

>>713335383
>>713335387
you havent heard of it because its made by sweet baby faggot trannies, which you probably have learned to ignore by default

>>713335172
Everyone knows what it means. Except you. Go back.

>>713335230
I can only imagine Sam or some other idea guy going "Dude, those bosses are so wasted on a single player game, it's so lonely in here"

>>713335450
https://www.ign.com/articles/alan-wake-2-tops-2-million-sales-and-finally-starts-turning-a-profit

>>713335387
It's a Coop that's set to the aftermath of Control. A bit buggy and not enough content for the askikg price, so most people who could be interested have opted out and maybe wait until it gets fixed and/or sale.

Alan Wake 2 is the greatest achievement in art in the 21st century.

>>713335387
>What even is this game
It's shit.
>how come I haven't heard of it?
Because it's shit.

>>713335230
Letting people try their hand at designing a different game they wanna design
Same as Elden Ring Nightreign

Personally I like reading the steam forums with the same 3 people coping about how the game isn't dead, is actually good and how you're a chud if you don't like it.

>>713335387
you probably did hear about it in one of those gaming shows but it wasn't interesting enough to remember

>>713335168
No, you don't see that often. Do you know why?
BECAUSE VIDEO GAMES ARE ESCAPISM!
People don't want niggers flapping their fat lips at how bad white people are, when in reality the only things blacks excell at are crime unemployment.

>>713335458
You can't just throw random words to a sentence and expect it to mean something, you autistic child. Develope theory of mind and grow up a little.

>>713335686
>calls for gamers to be removed from gaming communities
oof

>>713335450
>Alan Wake 2
>One of the greatest games ever made
Now this is peak trolling.

>>713335686
>>713335483

>>713335696
Touch grass

>>713335171
>Main demographic and target demographic are 2 different things.
And neither of which are the people who loved Control

>>713335705
>He can't figure out simple words and their meanings because he's not from the same culture as the denizens of this board
All will be fixed if you simply go back.

>>713335749
People are tired of niggers. Even my kids complain about them.

>>713335567
Nightreign is not that different of a game from Elden Ring which has multiplayer features of its own including co-op.

>>713335778
valve is on life support?

>>713335858
How many players does Deadlock have? :)

>>713335567
Lol what? Elden ring literally had coop. Boss rushes + permanent coop was literally what people wanted. You have no idea what you're talking about, elden ring nightreign is literally elden ring but permanent coop. Which was a a part of elden ring and the most downloaded mod was seamless coop. That is literally the opposite of what you're arguing about.

>>713335870
Anon I don't think the company that owns steam is betting the farm on deadlock

>>713335230
Sometimes people want to do something different. The survival horror devs made a rhythm action game and it turned out great.
The problem with this game specifically is that the multiplayer FPS genre is extremely competitive these days. So in order to succeed it needs to be an exceptional videogame, do something exceptionally unique, and/or be supported by exceptional marketing.

Well, apparently it's not that good. It looks generic as fuck. And I've never heard of it before.

>>713335792
Okay, I humor you, lil' Timmy. How does Firebreak, a game about USA government agents, look like "lefty-rebel style"? Be precise and honest with your answer.

>>713335908
>elden ring nightreign is literally elden ring
Okay champ. So it's suddenly not a spinoff made by a different director cause he wanted to make something new
>>713335849
It is incredibly different, you're being disingenuous by pretending the only possible difference between two games is whether they have MP or not

i can't even read the name of whatever that game is. Something Freak?

>>713335832
No they aren't. Polyps never liked them and real people don't care.

>>713336007
Firebreak

>>713336007
FBC: Firebreak
yeah I dunno what FBC means either
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2272540/FBC_Firebreak/

>>713335959
Post a picture to show what these supposed USA government agents look like.

>>713335832
>I raised my kids raycists and they hate niggers!
I'm sorry for you little Günther and Skyrim.

>>713335968
Nightreign can be seen as a distillation of ER that focuses on aspects that many people enjoy like co-op multiplayer and boss fights. It's not too surprising that it was a hit. It won't appeal to every fan of ER, but there is significant crossover.

I mean it's an alright game, my friends and I played it free via PS5 for free one night. The maps all have unique objectives beyond what you normally see in multiplayer slop and the special guns are interesting in how they combo together sometimes.

Problem is there's barely any fucking content. My friends and I breezed through all the maps on Normal in 2 hours and after that it's just grinding the same maps over and over on higher difficulties. There's zero enemy variety, like 4 different types at most and the game doesn't do much to set itself apart from the dozens if not hundreds of similar style games clogging up the gaming space. Idk why Remedy thought chasing this genre that they're not known or have any experience for was a good idea. The game has an okay framework, but without more variety or anything to grind for it feels.....just pointless I guess. All you get from the grind aside from a few new weapons/upgrades is cosmetic shit, but your player character are all faceless goons anyway so who gives a fuck?

TLDR: It's a mediocre as fuck game, and with live service if you can't set yourself apart you're not good enough.

>>713335120
>it's okay when Alan Wake 1 does it

I'm happy Alan Woke and other games like it failed and I'm happy that Resetertards and their ilk still bitch, cry, and shit themselves in projection about how mentally ill we are, all for noticing how shit it all is and actively shitting on it all.

>>713335236
>>713335364
Like these twats.

>>713333927 (OP)
No, it's like they did the bare minimum to make a game and it simply has nothing special going on for it. There are probably steam early access titles for 10 bucks that have more content and more interesting gameplay.

>>713336074
Anon, they're literally fighting against red menace. Is this lack of media literacy I'm seeing?

>>713336078
That's right, Amerishart. Not everyone who posts here grew up with niggers jews imported to the country. They left the outdated farm-equipment for your generation to deal with. How's that going so far?

>>713336168
There you have it.
A lefty-rebel styled faggot.

>>713336147
It didn't fail as you've been told several times itt already, so keep on seething, piss-baby.

>>713336203
The what exactly? Is communist manifesto written on the post it notes or what? Seems like you didn't understand the assigment and just keep repeating mantra now.

>>713336289
It's an apt descriptor for that lefty-rebel looking retard you posted.
You're the only one taking issue with it because you're not from here. You blew in from lefty-town and take it personal.
lmao
lol
go back.

>>713333927 (OP)
>Could a $20 price tag have saved it?
Yes. Motherfuckers in the industry don't want to admit it but the digital experiment in vidya has matured and what a mature digitally delivered video-game environment looks like is a consumer base who all or nearly all have enormous digital libraries and backlogs or simply Live Service games to occupy their time while they wait to see if your game was well received or they wait for the price to fall. If you pull a NFL 2K and sell your basically AAA game for twenty bucks, the waiting period will be ended and people who were going to buy it for twenty will definitely do it to get in at the start.

>>713336063
federal bureau of control

>>713334891
I like Remedy but there's a point where you have to let your friends suffer the consequences of their retarded decisions.

>>713336357
oh right so I've gotta play some other game nobody has played to play this game nobody is playing?

>>713336324
Except there is nothing "lefty" nor "rebel" looking to that character. Is this man "lefty-rebel" as well? Do you think working physical job is leftist and rebellious? Are righty wingers in your mind lazy pencilnecks and NEETs?

>>713336405
You think you can't understand l4d2 if you didn't play l4d first?

>>713333927 (OP)
Absolutely not. Helldivers, Vermintide and Darktide are all well worth the (low) price if you want genuinely good co-op action.
Firebreak would has to compete with those for the playerbase and with how shitty it is, it doesn't stand a chance even for free.

>>713333927 (OP)
It kinda looks good but I dunno, we already have deep rock and so on.

>>713336619
>sharttide

>>713336529
>starts yapping about "righty wingers"
lmao
you took offense to the lefty-part
fucking looool
cope and seethe tranny.

>>713335230
>but why the fuck make something like that?
Because they wanted to. Devs should always make what they want to make. It doesn't have to make sense. I've created 3 games so far, all of them are in entirely different genres. I'm not going to become "the shooter guy" or "the puzzle guy" or "the rpg guy", i'll just be someone that makes what he wants to make.

>>713336395

Remedy is a masterclass in abysmal business decisions. Yes they've got funding for their games but it's clear to anyone with a working brain those games were never going to be profitable with their release models. Sure Microsoft funded Quantum Break but releasing your big budget game as Microsoft Store exclusive on PC is fucking stupid. Alan Wake 2 is a similar story in that Epic bankrolled the game and they won all sorts of awards but now it's Epic Store exclusive.

>>713333927 (OP)
Hu/Hus game at full force
>>697748767

>>713336747
>I've created 3 games so far

go woke go broke

>>713336741
Oh I'm sorry. Were I supposed to refer to some other directions after you brought up left? Up maybe?

>>713336741
And you still haven't answered the question. Is deflect all you can do?

>>713336857
Tell us more about rightwingers xister.

>>713335230
Max Payne, Alan Wake, and Control are all fundamentally different games. So why is it weird for them to do something fundamentally different once again?

>>713336905
Nono, you first. Answer the questions presented. I insist.
Or did the mere word "right" honestly trigger you so much that you lost the last remains of coherency in your thought?

>>713336923
>all narrative driven third person shooters

I like Remedy but let's not pretend they haven't been riding MP's success all their life.
They are very good at doing one type of game.

>>713333927 (OP)
love to see it. such a cuckold studio that make trash games that soi fags wank off. first max payne was good.

>>713336982
You're not in a position to insist on anything.
In fact, my little lefty-faggot, you have more work to do in this thread.
Look, another rightwinger using le hecking problematic words >>713337013

Go on. Police our speech.

>>713334783
> firebreak
> 30 millions budget
lol
LMAO even

>fanatic political discussion
>game's just bad
why does this always happen? Game is on gamepass and psn. The two biggest subscription services in the world. There probably are enough people who at least tried it so there is should be no reason to talk about hypothetical screeching scenarios and just point out that the game is bad. I swear both sides sit in the same marketing office and just desperately try to come up with manipulation tactics to make people check it out to boost numbers for the fiscal report.

>>713337340
SBI is a cancer that's killing the gaming industry.

>>713337487
SBI is shit that gets hired to make you scream about shit games so at least some retards talk about it when it has nothing else going on. That's why they prefer you screeching about it, since it will make some other tards go "oh no, little nazi is having a melty, I have to check this out" and then they never do because they are busy "supporting" the game on twitter clearly showing they never touched it either.

OH NO NO NO NO

>>713337691
SBI did major damage to Sony's reputation thanks to its involvement in God of War: Ragnarok which even wokies admit has a much worse story than the previous game which had no SBI involvement. It's not just a case of irrelevant games using SBI to generate outrage. They can and do take over existing franchises and ruin them.

>>713337865
Same for god of war, if I scratch all the sbi shit it be still left with a game with horrible pacing, that lacks the big movie fights the series is known for that in all regards is worse than the game that came before it it. But we can't talk about it because all discussion is almost immediately steered towards "we must be better men norse niglet walking sim segment" no wonder companies love woke shit.

These faggots peaked at Max Payne 2
Every game they made after that is DOGSHIT

>>713337825
>>with b2b deals in place
kek
so the reason alan wake 2 didnt bankrupt them is cuz epic funded it, nvidia gave them a sweet pile of money to gimp it, sbi gave them money through government grants as long as they appeared inclusive.
and with fbi firebreak they did the same thing basically. the armors and designs are woke as fuck so they are 100% getting money from a dei program. you look like that fat guy from concord. the game has the full nvidia suite but not any others so they got the check from nvidia 100%. this time they also got upfront payments from both snoy and xbox as long as they put it on the subscription services.

>>713337825
Remedy is actually retarded

>>713335172
You know exactly what it means.
Your lying and terminal disingenuousness is why everyone hates you.

>>713336747
That's cool but do you need to sell 3 million copies of each game to break even because that seems to me to be a relevant part of this equation.

>>713335283
If you have a basic understanding of accounting and running a company this headline actually means nothing. Far as I know it was funded by Epic in exchange for exclusivity.

>>713333927 (OP)
>Another Sweet Baby Inc studio closing gem

i cant wait for control 2 to flop and the entire studio to shut down

>>713335778
Breeze
why does this cover look like a gay furry rape adventure

>>713336819
much appreciated

>>713333927 (OP)
i don't like the style, looks too wacky.
control was mostly serious with a bit of wack some of the time.

>>713338146
all these hoops and exploits because they can't make a good game

They chased the live service slop dragon, and this is the price they pay.

Why hasnt l4d still been topped /v/?

>>713338005
>These faggots peaked at Max Payne 1
ftfy

>>713335172
I felt like giving you a thorough response after everyone ignored you:
"Lefty-rebels style" in the context of video game banner themes likely refers to an aesthetic that combines progressive, anti-establishment themes ("lefty") with rebellious, non-conformist energy ("rebels").

Visual Elements Might Include:
Color Palettes: Gritty tones, reds, blacks, muted or punk-inspired neons.

Typography: Hand-drawn, stencil, or collage-like fonts.

Art Style: Street art, zines, glitch art, propaganda poster vibes, or sketchy/DIY visuals.

Thematic Vibes:
Focus on misfits, underdogs, or revolutionaries.

Anti-corporate, activist, or underground culture references.

Often tied to indie or narrative-driven games.

Examples:
Games like Disco Elysium, Night in the Woods, or Katana ZERO often use this style to reflect rebellion, social critique, and personal struggle.

It’s not a strict genre—more of a mood or message conveyed through color, art, and tone.

>>713335230
Because they wanted a cash-grab. They saw the likes of L4D, DRG, Overwatch and OW2, Helldivers 2, and the like make an absolute killing off of live-service games with minimal upfront cost to players and rake the money in afterwards. That's an INSTANT "Take our money!" from investors seeing as it's a new-ish model, established games that use said model are raking in money hand-over-fist with even less overhead than when they started (IE: nearly pure income vs minimal development effort), and a with unique style and personality that can rake in a different demographic.

All that on paper made it seem like a great investment opportunity from a development team who is versed in trying something new with relatively good success.

The main problem is this: Live service games are way to fucking oversaturated right now seeing as nearly everyone and their mothers got in on the action long before Remedy did. These games already (mostly) have had their fanbases long before the games were out, knew what they were doing with their game, had a plan for the future despite it maybe not getting off the ground, and had the balls to bring something new to the table initially and then keep that snowball rolling as the game itself matured upon release.

Firebreak has none of that. It adds nothing new, it doesn't have an established playerbase, it doesn't (at least at this point in time) have a plan for the immediate future, and it didn't even have marketing to help itself out.

Remedy put all of it's eggs in one basket as a hail mary, and it has flopped. I'm not shitting on Remedy about this whole business, but that's many of the major reasons why it is doing so poorly.

WHY did they do this? Probably because of what other anons have stated earlier with their loan from Tencent. They fucked up, and they're learning very very quickly how badly they did.

>>713339043
Because publishers aren't willing to just sell you a game and let mods do their thing, they want to sell you a microtransaction delivery system.