Bring back fun, chaotic map design. Not every map needs to be tournament viable.

>>713337438 (OP)
but anon the investors want 5v5 esport maps we must comply

Halo 1 had the best mix of dumb shit and competitive.

>>713337438 (OP)
Everyone is a tryhard and with current internet culture the meta playstyle is instantly posted on social media. In short, unbalanced map would not be fun these days.

>>713337438 (OP)
Chiron was a shit map. And while I'm at it, so are Blood Gulch and Boarding Action.
You want kino? Play Damnation or Longest. Hell, even Rat Race.

For me it was Timberland and Hang 'Em High

>>713338547
Blood Gulch is the 2fort of Halo. It's designed for CTF, but you will never make any progress on it.
Rat Race is pretty close to being a good map. It just needed another entry point or two into the tunnel area. Compfags made an edit for that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uBvBPlL0IA

>>713338547
Calling Rat Race kino is a helluva statement. Its only interesting elements are the upper tunnels and the powerups you can shoot down to the lower level. It's way too open for a map without vehicles.

>>713338547
Damnation is by far my favorite Halo 1 map.

>>713338798
My point by saying "even Rat Race" is that it's not Chiron or Blood Gulch, which are utter trash. It's not a top tier map but at least it's playable.

>>713338547
Nigga that's the point. You can do fun things on bad maps that just don't work on balanced ones. If every map is balanced then every map is the same gameplay. It get's boring.

>>713339135
>If every map is balanced then every map is the same gameplay.
That's not true at all. If you honestly believe that, then you believe there is only a single way to balance a map.

>>713339212
HGow the fuck do you get that from what I said?

>>713339286
Because you claim that they would all play the same, which is demonstrably false if you believe there is more than 1 balanced Halo map.

>>713338547
There are no shit maps, just shit friends.

If you none of your friends is shit, you're the shit friend.

>>713337796
Good. Casual niggers ruin gaming.

>>713339135
No. Bad maps are bad not because they're unbalanced. They're just shit to play on. They're not fun.
You want levels with chaotic map design that are actually fun? Halo already has those; Damnation, Gephyrophobia, Prisoner, Chill Out, arguably even Hang 'em High.
Chiron is just Shotguns and teleport camping, taking advantage of clueless people who don't know the layout. Sidewinder's map is 70% useless because of Snipers and Magnums. Blood Gulch's map is 99% useless because of Snipers and Magnums. A good map is more than just a balancing act, it has to be engaging to play on, and constantly staring at the respawn screen due to reasons completely out of your control (i.e. shit map or weapon design) is not fun.

>>713339326
What do you think I mean by that?

>>713339786
I think you mean exactly what you say. That there is only one kind of balanced map because they, by your admission, are all be the same.

>>713338793
Blood Gulch would be fine if sniper rifles didn't exist.

>>713340073
Maybe. Coagulation is a much better version of that map.

>>713339853
I didn't say anything exactly anon. I was vague. Your interpretation is based on assumptions. You could've just asked for more detail instead of straw-manning me.
What do you think I mean by fun, balance and bad?

>>713338705
I loved capping the flag in timberland, exiting and entering a full speed vehicle at perfect times to cap the enemy flag in that small door and maintain the speed was awesome.

>>713340231
Do you often make statements you don't mean?

>>713337438 (OP)
sure, first you'll need to make an actually fun game though.

>>713340298
Look man if you're going to be an assmad bitch about it we can't have an honest conversation. You made an assumption about a vague statement and I'm trying to help clarify what I meant. I've been too nice to you, frankly.

>>713341250
How is "If every map is balanced then every map is the same gameplay." a vague statement? Just admit you didn't mean what you said at the very least.

>>713337438 (OP)
Me and my buddies have an inside joke that stemmed from this map.

One of our friends was running around singing "why can't we be friends" trying to get melee kills. I had the rocket launcher, popped through a portal and said "friends this," detonating the both of us. Its been over 2 decades and we still say that

>>713337438 (OP)
You're out of touch, old man. The general complaint nowadays is that there's actually too many small, fun, meat grinder maps in your average shooter release, and it's an objective truth that the distribution has adjusted over time to feature a higher number of such maps.

>>713337438 (OP)
NUH UH!!! I'LL MAKE A 12 HOUR YOUTUBE VIDEO DENOUNCING THE MAPS IF YOU MAKE A "FUN" MAP!!111

Then I'll contact everyone on discord and twitter and the forums to make sure that having """""""""""""fun"""""""""""" maps or unbalanced maps WILL NEVER be tolerated agiain.

>Every 4chan user and gamer online right now

>>713340231
>You could've just asked for more detail instead of straw-manning me.
Not that anon. But you should have just elaborated on what you meant several posts ago.

>>713341317
If you don't believe me then you're claiming you know more about what I'm thinking that I do. That's deranged. And for what?
>>713341702
I'm trying to get him to ask me to elaborate but he just keeps feedback looping.

>>713341762
I believe the words you said. Stop being such a weasel and stand by your words.

>>713337796
Give dedicated servers and the problem is solved.

>>713341537
He means gimmick maps. That one is a bunch of confusing teleporting doors in samey rooms.

>>713341854
At this point I don't think you care about an honest debate. You just keep making up bullshit to support your fantasy. You're free to ask me what I meant whenever you're ready.

>>713342150
Only when you stop acting like a woman and quit your mental games.

>>713337438 (OP)
so true, so true.

>>713337796
sadly also very true

>>713342220
Just ask the question, woman.

>>713341906
>He means gimmick maps
Yes, and? That's why I wrote my post, anon.

>>713342348
>n-no u!
I accept your concession.

>>713342220
>so obsessed with his own narrative he refuses to ask for clarification
>calls other people woman
so this is what compfags are like

>>713337796
Multiplayer games are all about social status these days
unbalanced shit goes against player's desire to uphold a pecking order
People play comp to possibly flex on hardstuck silvers, or to escape it and ain't a higher social rank, actual quality of gameplay or actual actions in game be damned

>>713342538
I don't know if he's a compfag but he also acts like being told he's wrong is a fucking mental game. That is incredibly immature. Like any denial is an attack on his sanity. I hope he doesn't have kids.

I no longer have interest in multiplayer games

>>713342965
What drew you to them before?

>>713341762
>I'm trying to get him to ask me to elaborate
That's a weird curse to have anon. You're like a vampire who need to be explicitly invited to enter a building.

>>713342604
oh and this system is created not to actually rank players based on skill but to matchmake players in a fashion that maximizes their time spent playing and considering a new skin for your gun, not even necessarily balanced games
does CS give you bonus elo for sneaking behind an enemy player as they approach a site, wait for them to plant, knife them in the back and defuse the bomb? does CS reward you bonus elo for 180 scout flicks vs hardscoped awp kills? does CS, or any game, actually acknowledge what you did in game besides a bottom line of kda and statistical highlights? no, so stat padding is rewarded by this system, and through it is socially encouraged, more than literally being better at the game, so it's a flawed system to begin with as aces happen in every rank but nobody ever asks how

>>713343139
Most people just suck at debating. Defining terms is step one. Guy couldn't even pass go. If he doesn't want my honest thoughts then he won't ask for them. Then I'll just use him for target practice.

I miss when fps maps had no lore purpose. they were just made for the cool/fun factor.

2fort, de_dust2, and this map are fps iconics

>>713343378
i get what you're saying but that also sounds a little impossible to program while remaining competitive so im not exactly sure what the alternatives would be for a ranked matchmaking system