What are /v/'s thought on this? For me it's at least been the most fun expansion in a very long while. Maybe because Blizzard is finally substantially changing the game with new permanent mechanics. Last expansion we got dragonriding, now we got delves, next one will have housing, it's nice to have some change

>stockholm syndrome retards are having an opinion

I played it for a bit then dropped it. The whole premise of the expansion is silly.

>>713367095 (OP)
It is actually pretty nice to see them experimenting, but at this point I'm starting to feel like it's too much low-effort "spam" content
like yeah having stuff to do outside of raids and dungeons is nice but how many versions of "kill mooks to fill bar to spawn big mook" are they going to add, especially when the rewards are all old gear and like one transmog set

I have no interest in anything beyond WOTLK.
Though the female tauren customization options in later expansions are cute.

>>713367095 (OP)
It sounds like a marketing push because FFXIV isn't doing as well.

>>713367095 (OP)
They say it after every fucking expansion. The truth is the game peaked with Mists of Pandaria but people don't want to admit it because pandas are fucking lame and don't fit Warcraft. Which is true. So if you want to say it peaked with WotLK it's also a valid opinion.

it's ass but marginally better than the last 3 expansions

>addict says 'FENT GOOD ACTUALLY'

>>713368205
based cow toucher.

>>713367095 (OP)
i just hate modern wow, no matter how much they "improve" it it's still built on a foundation of dailyslop garbage.

It is genuinely such a fucking smart play from Blizzard to make shadowlands as abysmally dogshit as it was, because now their drone’s standards are through the floor and will call even barely mediocre expansions like DF and TWW “the best wow has ever been”

>>713367095 (OP)
why do redditors talk like such humongous faggots
also go back

>>713367095 (OP)
These permanent mechanics don't mean anything. They're boring. Flying already exists I couldn't give less of a shit about how point a to point b mount mechanics work. Delves are not new it's torghast but because the player base is retarded and SL was 'bad' that's good if it gets renamed. Player housing adds nothing. Any time anything remotely interesting was added to the game content creators screeched it was bloat or borrowed power and WoW can't win. So here's your gaslit "evergreen' mechanics which are just literal talents in a new window passed off as a new mechanic or riding or cosmetic changes that don't matter at all. Player base has to seriously reconcile their cognitive dissonance over Legion/BFA and apologize for being absolute shits over their reaction to borrowed power or new mechanics that affect the players. Otherwise the game will be walking on eggshells passing off DF bullshit 'innovation' that adds nothing. That's boring uninteresting patch after patch with less and less people giving a shit while pretending it's the best it's ever been.

>>713367095 (OP)
WoW will never be good again unless they fire all the carebear devs and remove addons

>new expansion gets announced
>IS WOW SAVED?
>new expansion gets released
>BLIZZARD SAVED WOW
>a month later
>THIS EXPANSION SUCKS WOW IS DEAD
>a year later new expection gets announced
>IS WOW SAVED?
>repeat
its crazy how long people have been doing this wow is like 20 years old

The most exciting thing to happen when I resubbed a few months back was finding out they added old Scholomance back into the game and a way to legitimately obtain Tier 3 armor again (though extremely pissed that it's half RNG and half insane gold sink).

>>713367095 (OP)
>better than BC or WOTLK
lol no

>>713369285
>because now their drone’s standards are through the floor
theyve never had standards
theyll buy an expansion subscribe for $15 then complain about the quality and how theyre never going to do that again

its not hard to abuse low iq addicts

WoW hasn't been a white mans game in many years. May it die soon.

>>713368527
Nah, you were right on both accounts. For gameplay, WoW peaked at Mists. The game was never better before or since.

But while the gameplay was fantastic, Monks and Pandas are gay, especially for a setting like Warcraft. So, for lore and story, it peaked in Wrath.

>>713369760
Ya but they at least called out shit expansions like BFA and WoD back then.
Now after shadowlands blew those out of the water in terms of utter dogshit, they see DF and TWW which are barely above BFA in terms of quality and call it the greatest thing ever

>>713369725
this

>>713370141
>DF and TWW which are barely above BFA in terms of quality
Holy shit no. Legion/BfA/SL borrowed power/keystone grinding/currency treadmill was the nadir of the game by far. Even WoD stands like a giant next to those shit xpacs. And their way of doing things being tossed in a hole and buried after being used as a toilet first is cause for celebration.

Burning Crusade was peak soul. Or Northrend in WOTLK, and Arthas was built up well, ending in a classic fight with a classic raid wipe mechanic (defile). No expansion to date has replicated the zones/music/raids/dungeons of those.

>>713367095 (OP)
They say this every time unless its extremely ass then they act like this is the "one bad" expansion when its a lot in a row that are trash.
same shit every time on a loop.

>>713370141
Hey ya you’re right their standards really are fucked LMAO>>713370680

>>713367095 (OP)
>If you get bored of X you go and do Y
that's the most succinct answer as to why MMOs are functionally dead

>>713370912
This time it's actually true. I dropped the game in 1 month in past expansions but this one is a hitter. It's just very convenient to make new characters thanks to stuff like delves.

>>713367095 (OP)
didnt they say the same thing about dragonflight LMAO

>>713367095 (OP)
>best expansion
>has zero cultural impact

slop hogs should be quiet.

>gameplay is good
>raids and dungeons are good
nothing else matters and I do not take any depressed boomers opinion seriously

>>713370680
Having never played wod nor legion and having skepticism when a product gets it dick sucked to hell and back that seems beyond contrarian. The only good thing I've ever heard about wod was the leveling experience while almost everything else is negative, not even neutral.

>>713367095 (OP)
>sunk cost faggots who buy and play every expansion regardless and say the same thing for each one because of recency bias

It's so good they had to cave and start making the changes people have been asking for the past couple of years to stem the bleeding player numbers! Why the fuck do you retards think they re-release the same classic garbage all the time? Because no one wants to touch the modern game.

>>713367095 (OP)
Anon, keep in mind, BFA came out nov2017, nearly a decade ago.
for people who only play retail its probably the best that they can remember

>>713368527
>pandas are fucking lame and don't fit Warcraft
Pandaren first appeared in WC3 through the joke easter egg mission

>>713367481
fpbp, the retard even has a wow themed account name. beyond mazed.

>>713367095 (OP)
There has been few moments when I almost bought the new expansion. But each time I remembered the DEI nigger they added and decided not to.

>>713372787
>BFA was nearly a decade ago
Good God where does the time go?

>>713368662
If it wasn't good why would people love it so much? Checkmate, retard

>>713367095 (OP)
not even fucking retarded wowshit are playing wow, nice try shill jew

>>713372787
>WoD released over a decade ago
>Legion is nearly a decade old
I didn't need this reminder.

>>713374256
>sunk cost
>only social net is on a terrible mmo and the players terrified it will stop operation

saddest part is watching the aging youtubers who obviously hate the game but are forced to suck it off anyway because they need the cash.

>>713374256
Ok, Floyd

>>713367095 (OP)
>the last remaining whales with a severe case of sunk cost fallacy think latest slop is the best
These drones say that every expansion.

>>713368527
>Mists of Pandaria
Im so sick of you fucking zoomer furfags thinking the expac you started with was the best one. MOP was trash.

the devs pandering to woke tards instead of making classic stuff like BC/WOTLK or characters like Arthas, doesn't make it worth playing.

retail wow is so gay and blizzard is so terrible now i feel ashamed to have ever liked or cared about it

>>713367095 (OP)
why are people who post reddit screenshots not banned on sight?

>>713375767
they have to pander to faggots since there most likely will be a console port soon. thats why they are nuking UI / mods now and you can play the game by pressing one button

>>713376018
if they want money then pander to nostalgia and ignore all the new shit and do some universe reset stuff where you end up in outland or something.

NOT LIKE LAST TIME (wod), I mean with blood elves or whatever.

>>713375767
those woke tards are the only ones still playing

>>713375982
It's a WoW thread, they are protected by the mods.

>>713376126
and whos gonna write it? even metzen is a cucked faggot now and couldnt turn things around

>>713367095 (OP)
no
only braindead cattle would find this shit acceptable
is there a lesser being than a fucking redditor?

>>713376217
turn things around into what? another childish corruption <-> redemption storyline? metzen was never a good writer.

>>713369514
>IS WOW SAVED?
>BLIZZARD SAVED WOW
>THIS EXPANSION SUCKS WOW IS DEAD
>IS WOW SAVED?
the bellular video cycle

>>713376451
funny enough she doesnt look like this in game shes like a 20y old younger version. 100% a last minute change they made

>>713367095 (OP)
I've been enjoying it, mostly making gear progress through delves. Undermine was a lot of fun, I'm nearly exalted with the last of the cartels, should be done next week. I'm a little burnt out right now so I'm putting minimal effort in until season 3.

>>713376798
Still fucking retarded.
Elves arent niggers
niggers are disgusting
women aren't badass
cripples aren lame

leftists should burn

>>713367095 (OP)
I'm gonna go right ahead and say it

say sorry for having a culture
NOW

>>713367095 (OP)
>Reddit
So what you meant to say is an LLM that exists to convince users of something that isn't true says it's the best ever.
>I don't trust reading shit on sites anymore.
>Deal with it

>>713367095 (OP)
I don't play WoW but I'm betting that only the real shit eaters are still playing it

>>713367095 (OP)
>WoW players hate expansion 1
>WoW players enjoy expansion 2
>WoW players hate expansion 3 and talk about how much they actually liked expansion 1 and praise 2 like it's the coming of christ
>repeat
Why would I ever trust these people

>>713368527
>The truth is the game peaked with Mists of Pandaria
MOP was fucking gay. Even if its gameplay was irrefutably better than every other iteration of the game (it isn't, even if it was great), the setting was shit and adding fat furries was tremendously retarded. They were better left out of Warcraft, and they were better left out of WoW.

>>713367095 (OP)
I'm pretty sure current WoW players would call a literal kick in the dick the best expansion of all time

>>713376798
She is still horrible written though, full mary sue

>>713367095 (OP)
Is there a more buckbroken person on earth than a WoW player?
I mean on earth. Like what examples of total mind slaves are more severe? Drug addicts are semi-dependent on their dealer but its mostly the actual drug. With WoW drones we're talking about literal mass mind control by a whole company full of slavers.

>>713367095 (OP)
>>WoW players are saying this expansion is the best of all time
Are they though? Are they?

>>713368527
The truth is the game was only good in vanilla (actual vanilla, not Classic).

>>713367095 (OP)
>best expansion of all time
gonna be a yikes from me

>>713368662
Heroin, fent, morphine, etc feel great though?

>>713372865
It was actually a serious mission with a joke secret.
But the Panderan is a party member you can recruit for the Frozen Throne Orc campaign (more like a RPG campaign)

>>713367095 (OP)
sunk cost retards can't move on from wow

>>713367095 (OP)
The casual content feels really stale to me. Gameplay sucks ass and feels like a chore, I mean delves are just microwaved Torghast slop and people are lapping it up. It doesn't help that Delves + M+ + Raids share the same transmog so no cosmetic rewards stand out when you can get them from different levels of content.
Story is shit and is bouncing around too many places but people love it because content creators aren't telling them it's bad anymore.
Graphically a lot of the designs look worse than pre Legion stuff, with the exceptions of a few tier sets like S2 Death Knight.

>>713368527
>it peaked when the dungeons were absolute dogshit

Chasing numbers is retarded.

>>713367095 (OP)
Shadowlands, Dragonflight, and now The Women Within makes me wish I could burn Blizzard to the ground.

>>713376798
>>713376798
This fucking butch pops up in front of me every battle.net launch. Stupid ass DEI shit

WOTLK was the peak.

>>713377380
you can just smell the marxist writing in this

>>713382506
who actually thought that hair on her was a good thing. I cant believe this ugly ass is publicly featured. Who the fuck is this even for

The most tedious expansion ever, followed by the most boring expansion ever, followed by the gayest expansion ever. I can see why the people playing War Within would think it's good after going through those three.

>>713377380
I hate how every fucking storyline in WoW now is about some old dude apologizing to some woman for heckin toxic masculinity. It's so lame.

If they actually wanted to make the game woke they should've added futas to the game.

>>713382847
I nearly threw my keyboard across the room when Gerymane has his daughter take over.

>>713367095 (OP)
REDDITORS are saying this is the best expansion ever released.
Us based 4chuds know the real answer is only the old beta versions when this was still intended to be a real MMO and not auction house and instanced dungeon SLOP.

oh... and the GAY FROGS.
Never forget

>>713382847
>>713382998
There is not a single actually masculine, strong male left in the game. They're all dead, emasculated weaklings, outright faggots, or servile simps for the innnumerable girlbosses they're surrounded by.

>>713382847
theres no war in warcraft anymore everything is just about some limp wristed faggots crying about their feelings to another faggot

>>713382506
I FUCKING KNEW THEY WERE GOING TO RUIN DANATH

They even gave a little frog to be molested by the gay frog couple

>>713383301
and they continue to defend it freely on the forums.

>reddit screencap thread
KINO

Another XIV seethe thread lol

>start late into season
>be several weeks behind on gear
>catch-up gear is worthless
>lfr and normal mode raids might as well not exists
>heroic is a total joke but you need aotc and 680 gear to join pugs
>mythic raiding still has instance id nonsense
>guilds are gatekeeping hard because of it
>if you dont have history of multiple CEs you have no chance of joining HoF guild

it's almost like they don't want players to do anything higher than heroic and mythic raiding exists in current state to extort tokens for whales who buy boosts

this is what your sub money is doing towards

>>713383482
Of course they do. Anyone who actually wants to see strong, kickass warriors and, as that old interview adage goes "mighty dudes doing mighty deeds" left a long time ago, so the only playerbase they have left eats this shit up, since they are the limp wristed, tasteless faggots who will keep playing the game until the servers shut down. Thereby creating a situation where there is no major negative feedback on the bubble the devs see communication in, ensuring that it's never going to change. Anyone who thinks WoW is ever going back to what it once was is delusional.

>>713383741
>your sub money is doing towards
saar pls do the needful and redeem the ffxiv

>>713368527
>the game peaked multiple expansions after the game was ruined
Suuuuuure

>>713383783
xiv isn't even an mmo why are you intimidated about it?

>>713367095 (OP)
they say this about every expansion including trannyflight

>>713383779
Makes sense how Wow became effectively like a reddit echo chamber.

>>713367095 (OP)
>music
>ambience
>content
>content
Wow, this guy should write professional reviews.

>>713383850
Yeah, the game peaked in Wrath and the game was ruined with TBC, and then put in the grave by Wrath.

>>713383869
because wow isn't an mmo either

>>713383978
snape bad ending

>>713383694
>>713383783
are you in this image?

>>713377380
>I'm sorry said Danath to Lothar's descendant, the crippled nigger with pointy ears and broccoli hair

I FUCKING HATE THIS MAKE IT STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

>>713367095 (OP)
>Current day WoW players
>trusting them over what they call good content
Yeah not going back to that hellhole; they've ruined everything and so many models look like they're made for gay furries. Yiff in hell WoW players

>>713384082
it's basically tumblr writing to the T.

>>713384074
the paypigs...

>>713383952
What the fuck is this logic

>>713367095 (OP)
I ended up quitting again because of time gating. Which is a shame since unholy dk was pretty fun. There's too many mechanics in place to stop you from just playing and enjoying the game. Everything is gated at every step of the endgame process, it feels like every time you make a bit of progress a Blizzard employee shows up to slap me in the face and then my balls because I was having too much fun.

WoW, in its current state, would be considerably less agonizing without time gating.

>>713367095 (OP)
Is anyone surprised by this? MMOs are a containment zone for people with shit taste, always have been.

>>713384208
it got so bad that I dreaded reaching max level knowing that the shit starts there. Thats the opposite of what you want from your game

>>713369725
>empty raidlog expac with no difficulty
>empty raidlog expac with no difficulty
what about tbc or wrath is supposed to be good exactly?

at some point the line needs to be drawn with this company

>>713367481
/thread

>>713382506
>they not only went through with this diarrhea of a story
>they are outright advertising this pozzed shit
>they are proud of it
grim

>>713384362
>what about tbc or wrath
we killed Illidan and the Lich King d00d it was badass n epic and had Pixar cinematics when we opened the game

>>713367095 (OP)
redditors are saying*
ftfy

>>713367095 (OP)
so good the biggest wow shill streamers quit

>>713384156
TBC and Wrath were shit and set WoW on the wrong path.

>>713384659
Nobody, not even fully unemployed NEETs, can stomach an old school Pre-WoW style MMO any more, and anyone that does go back and play the old ones is usually some bitter nerd with a chip on their shoulder.

>>713369459
>and remove addons
This is happening
But only combat addons. Addon devs say it could be as soon as Midnight expansion

>>713384806
(some) neets like it because having more free time is the only way they can be successful

>>713383429

>>713384806
>vgh I can only play games if they hand me literally everything and give me welfare epics because I'm a heckin big chungus adult that does ADULTING and can't put in any effort >:((((

>>713383978
Fired years ago
Come on bro, update your firmware

>>713367095 (OP)
the only people I know who still play WOW are furries, niggers and trannies.

>>713384806
I've been playing FFXI more than any other game in the last few months, and I work full time while raising two kids.

>>713384857
>But only combat addons. Addon devs say it could be as soon as Midnight expansion
I wasnt planning on coming back to WoW ever again but now that sealed it.

>>713385016
Nta but he's right. You see it in every mmo. Back then, we as kids were into mmos because it was a new way to connect with people, so we tolerated friction, long tedious grinds or even bad design
Now most mmo players are young adults, or older. Kids play shit like roblox or fortnite and stay connected through discord instead of wow guilds
It is what it is. They had to adapt to the market
In wow's case at least, they still offer the older versions of the game
Pretty stupid that there's no permanent tbc or wrath realms, but maybe they'll add those soon too

Danath Trollbane sez: TROLL RIGHTS

>>713384806
As with all MMORPGs. The POINT of them is the journey not the destination. Getting max level means jackshit.
>I HAVE NOTHING TO DO
this game isn't for you than

It's bad
they're all bad

>>713385095
You're not thinking of coming back because you can't use weakauras and dbm anymore?
That's really silly

>>713385237
TBC and Wrath ruined the game though and also their versions of vanilla are filled with anachronisms and """""""""qol""""""""""""" that ruin the spirit of the game

>>713385410
Weakauras and dbm exist cause Blizzard made combat too noisy. Those addons literally exist to make the noise more manageable. This isn't old WoW where the most complicated thing was to survive a strong ability by having the best buffs, armor, and stats. Now everything is reflex based, which is why WA and dbm exists. Blizzard has the mmo rpg formula backwards.

>unsubbed at Korthia
>decide to lookup the current thing on youtube
>there's a nigger on my screen
>we're still in the Shadowlands, but it's purple now apparently
>mfw
wew lads

>>713385684
it's even more disney now too

>>713384362
the music, graphics, and atmosphere. howling fjord or hellfire peninsula by itself is a better zone than any in wow for the last 5 expansions.

Or nagrand/shadowmoon, or icecrown, or...actual zones with soul.

>>713385834
shame there was nothing meaningful to do in those zones

>>713384362
>>713385834
Grizzly hills music.... SOVL

>>713385932
so it's the same as modern wow?

>>713385729
art team carrying story team bussin kino

>>713385992
duh

>>713368662

>>713385980
they have never made a comfy wilderness/camping zone like that since then.

Why is being proud of your own culture and wanting to maintain your own lands presented as a bad thing in WoW (unless your faction starts with the letter H)

>>713385658
They're addressing that noise too but simplifying class and encounter design

>>713386097
By simplifying, not but

>>713386097
>They're addressing that noise too
No they arent. All the latest raids show they are just mounting bs upon bs.

>>713386169
Currently, yes, but if you're not pushing cutting edge content you really don't nees addons. But that's the plan going forward
They want to ban combat addons and also simplify encounter and class design. They gave as examples less class mechanics to manage, or in encounters less spells being casted, mechanics taking longer to activate so you can react naturally, or less swirlies

>>713386047
is this the most based Kurzgesagt video?

>>713385834
I dont login to sit afk in leveling zones listening to music

>>713386462
>Kurzgesagt
>based

>>713367095 (OP)
I played it and it was just fucking World of Warcraft again and I am sick of World of Warcraft so I stopped

>>713386352
>They want to ban combat addons
they want to ban combat addons so they can lengthen the little content they have now. Blizzard has never cared about banning stuff for "fairness." It's just whatever makes number go up, and in this case it's retaining player time and subscriptions.

>>713367095 (OP)
>reddit
maybe you should go back and stay there trannoido-kun

Banning combat addons is unironically a good thing
If your game requires a third party addon to even understand what's going on in a fight then your game is badly designed.

>>713386589
more like accessibility
reminder there is a literal button to automatically perform your rotation

>>713367095 (OP)
You can find posts saying anything is "the best of all time" and "the worst of all time"

Does some random ass redidt post warrant a thread?

>>713386870
This isn't FF 14.

>>713386915
/v/ is just reddit lite nowadays

>>713386943
Anon....
https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-version-of-rotation-assist-hekili-coming-to-wow-in-patch-11-1-7-wowcast-376648

>>713386943
who the fuck is talking about ff14? still mindbroken about the exodus? get over yourself woman (male)

>>713387256
>>713387265
I love everyone going "it will never be competitive haha it's going to be shit and nobody will use it."
:')

>>713386825
I would if they didn't shadow and rangeban me for trying to roleplay with femboys and then delete my account tens of times.

I will post this every time I come across a "wow is dead this time for sure guys trust us" post

>>713387256
lol hekili mind broke Blizzard

>>713387265
I wasnt aware they were putting this in, but at least there's a .3 gcd penalty. But in 14, abilities are so simple that you're basically doing just a simon says gameplay.

>>713387484
you think those 0.3s gcd won't add up throughout the fight? you're delusional

>>713387548
post gameplay
oh wait
>it's tab target trash
>and it's pozzed

pass

>>713367095 (OP)
>WoW players
All 5 of them?

>>713384074
>why do they keep adding stuff to the cash shop

>>713387548
they had to create 20 versions of WoW to compete with one FFXIV

>>713387638
what's the FFXIV active subscriber count right now

>>713381398

It feels the best the first time you do it, and then it never feels the same level of good again.
That's why it's called "chasing the dragon" literally your first time shooting up is the best thing ever in life, and nothing not even your next hit will ever compare.
That's why no one can ever quit it. It's to bear the one ring, to sell your soul.

>>713387589
In practice even the "good" players were still only around as good as the button.
You have to be a fully hardened esports career cutting edge raider to consistently beat this button in its current state.

>>713387548
>literally posting dishonest sub stats that include two different games
>they don't even peak much higher than legion's release
>not a sign both retail and classic are dying

>>713387548
And I will always post this in return.

>>713387860
I didn't need weakauras to tell me that the alleged 7.25m subscriber number was completely wrong.

friendly reminder than if you log in on battle.net, then log in on retail, and then log in on classic, you count as 3 MAUs on blizzard's spreadsheets

>>713387548
here's a hint my guy, statistics 101, if a graph has no numbers on it then the person that created it is hiding something

wowcocksucker bellular adding random numbers to the graph doesn't do shit

>>713387860
>now at 1.7m
>Oct 2018
>long before its real nadir mid-2019
>and Bellular wants to pretend that the big low point mid-2019 was still 4.07m
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
dumb, disingenuous little shillgolem

>>713388023
Running ten thousand instances of Virtual PC with only Heroes of the Storm running so they think the game is experiencing a huge resurgence and revive it.

>>713387676
What's the active WoW subscriber count right now?

>>713387548
>two different MMOs and still can't surpass Legion launch numbers
Shadowlands was a fatal blow to the Warcraft franchise.

>>713388239
WoW has like 5-6 versions now, no?

>>713388175
Turtle WoW no longer shows a population graph on their website.

>>713388175
>can't even post the FFXIV sub count
just accept that you'll never win, sister

>>713376154
What? I've been in many gaming communities and WoW has some of the most right wing gamers. 90% of their audience are 30-year-old boomers. Shit like Asmon and Mcconnell and Staysafe are literal Nazis.

>>713388239
>two
>retail
>plunderstorm
>classic
>anniversary edition (aka classic classic)

>>713388495
>can't even post the WoW sub count
well this is awkward now isn't it

>>713388495
>>713388584
Ladies, ladies. You're both brown.

WoW isn't the same without the ventrilo noises

Do they still have a pay to 1 button the game?

>>713388552
no self-respecting right winger is giving their money to a company as pozzed as blizzard
you are delusional and addicted, blizztroon

>Now that I don't like the game NO ONE is allowed to like it actually
WoW threads attract the same mouthbreathers every single time. Doomers have been on suicide watch for 2 decades now and they're STILL seething. Blizzchads can't stop winning. See you faggots on K'aresh

>>713388626
Thankfully not, I'm just having a little fun with the chart obsessed WoW addict. It's always a good laugh to watch them squirm when faced with hard facts they can't deal with.

>>713388692
dragonflight was the first expansion i fully skipped. TWW is heading that way too
enjoy your tranny ethereals, i sure as fuck won't

>>713372978
Breaking out of the maze was the dumbest shit I've ever done. I wish I could go back home.

>>713388783
Just take the pserver pill (no not turtle)

>>713388669
These people have been playing this game for over 20 years. They aren't going to stop, even if Blizzard is pozzed. WoW isn't attracting new players

>another episode of blizztroons vehemently defending the company that has groomed them into only consuming exclusively blizzard products (ffxiv players are the cultists btw)
i've seen this episode before

>>713388584
>instantly deflects as soon as he's asked for proof of his claim
:)

>>713388692
>Spend 2 decades attacking every other MMO and it's fanbase
>Going out of your way to seek out discussions to harass and disrupt them
>Do everything you can across all forms of media to throw endless amounts of feces at any game and or company that may in some way be a competitor to WoW
>You have the audacity to pretend to be the victim now

You earned this, both via your actions and your continued support of the company that continues on a daily basis to ruin the game you claim to like.

>>713388941
none of this happened

>>713387630
I raid with my guild and have fun. If it's not for you that's fine. Weird you come in a thread for something you hate thoughbeit.

>>713383723
This sort of post proves that /v/ doesn't even play the fucking game and just parrots nonsense criticism because of POLITICS like there existing one (1) black character in the expansion.

If anything the problem with the game is that the catch-up gear is so powerful and free that it inflated m+.

I made a priest two days ago. TWO days ago. And it's already 650ilvl thanks to catch-up gear that I effortlessly claimed. For reference a +7 drops 652ilvl gear, with 650 I can easily do a +11 or +12 which drop 655 gear.

I guarantee that >95% of /v/tards do not have the capacity to do a +6, let alone a +12.

So yeah, complaining about catch-up gear being weak is retarded. It is more powerful than you would ever have the right to reach legitimately.

And you can get SO MUCH catch-up gear within one week. Like I said it's enough to fully gear one character per week.

And then retards like >>713384208 will complain about timegating. When the only thing timegated is the amount of catch-up gear you can get, and it is timegated super generously to the point you can easily gear up one character per week SOLELY FROM CATCH-UP GEAR (without legitimately acquiring even one single piece of gear from raids or dungeons).

For fucks sake. Right now the game gives you a maxed ilvl belt after a 10 minute questline. You can get a 658ilvl ring from a 30 minute questline. The rest of the slots can easily be acquired from: 1) 4 champion items from the 4 weekly bountiful delves, 2) 1 free champion item from nightfall, 3) one free heroic from the quest in front of the bank, 4) 3 free champion items from the three dastardly duos quests, 5) free heroic from delves bounty map, 6) time archive heroic.

Yes this is all the weekly timegated shit that you whine about, and as you can see if you do everything you have fully geared one character 70% champion 30% heroic WITHOUT EVEN TOUCHING A DUNGEON.

Seriously kill yourself retards you don't even play vidya

>>713388692
I've interacted with enough WOW players to know that if WOW dies the world is fucked. a million freaks not in their containment zone is a terrifying prospect.

>>713388059
Are you retarded? Just from eyeballing the points at the graph you can easily tell it is going from 0 to either 8m or 10m. If anything the graph could have been way more cheated in Blizzard's favor, but they were legit in putting the base x at 0.

>>713387860
For some reason I doubt someone made multiple millions of API calls like that

>>713389098
It's scary that people can be brainwashed this easily.

>call WoW bad
>get accused of playing XIV (another shit game)
Why is this?

>>713389000
BASED TRIPS OF TRUTH

/v/ BTFO

it's hilarious the entire community is complaining about how busted catch up is and both in power and in quantities you can get, meanwhile this braindead thread is unanimously complaining about how weak and timegated it is

>>713388986
post discord

>>713389219

>>713389000
what's sadder is you actually admitting to playing world of estrogencraft: the woman within

>>713389217
>>713389000
Is this ironic shitposting or are we supposed to not notice you are replying to yourself?

>>713367095 (OP)
They keep saying "this expansion is the best, WoW is better than ever" since Shadowlands.

>>713367095 (OP)
> What are /v/'s thought on thi-
>ITS SHIT!
Did you even have to ask?

>>713389000
Absolutely based.

>>713389216
blizzdrones are notoriously highly tribalistic cultists, even an instanced VN with no open world and only endgame content being ERP chatrooms is a threat to them

>>713389286
Retard.

>>713389098
You can't read graphs, but it's OK.

There is no 0. There is no X and/or Y axis. There is a timeline.

>>713389286
The dude is an unironic pedo anime troon and is one of blizzard’s most rabid defenders. Do you think he can comprehend something like that?

>>713388669
Why are so many wowfags polcrusaders when they have this in their game?

gimme ONE good reason why I should play WoW you disgusting wowtrannies

>>713389439
Are you baiting?

Y is player count

X is time

The fact it is a timeline does not mean it is not a graph. A timeline with data is a type of graph.

>>713389216
You should have seen them when games like SWTOR and Wildstar were announced and being originally marketed.

>>713389485
because they hide most of it under this random reading shit so that ills can get their thrills, but chuds don't read so they have no idea.

>>713389492
It's the most polished, refined and high-quality MMORPG of actuality by a very long shot and it is currently undergoing a new golden phase. Get in it while you can.

>>713389485
if wow players were capable of self-reflection they wouldn't be playing wow. this became and continues to become progressively more true every single dogshit expansion after WoD (all of them)

>>713367095 (OP)
>WoW players
>A Retard on reddit
we should really start killing faggot coming here to post reddit faggotry

it is telling that no one can reply to >>713389000 without just insults, he legitimately refuted this board. B T F O

>>713389518
Oh no trust me I know how common it was for WoWfags to raid any other MMO thread with their bullshit, same with anything else that competes with blizzard products (marvel rivals)
But why is XIV their main focus?

>>713388692
>terrible probably paid for jeet shillpost
>aislop
Pottery.

>>713389485
Their identity is built around WoW being "the most popular", they turn a blind eye to everything Blizzard has done to WoW over the last decade because if they admit something is wrong their entire life is meaningless. This is why they attack a specific other MMO so heavily despite WoW having all of if not more of the same problems.

>>713389507
Are you retarded? It's a line graph that's floating in the middle of nothing. There is no start point for the Y axis, so it could start at 0 or it could start at 600 million. With no number on the Y axis the graph means nothing.

>>713389584
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting

player housing is going to kill xiv forever
cope and seethe about it hivvies

>>713389518
I remember jerking it to the redhead girl from Wildstar
good times

>>713389584
#ad

>>713388692
I don't mind people disliking WoW and criticizing it.

What bothers me is that every WoW thread proves /v/ has never played it. It's just /pol/ bots on an agenda against whatever black character is present in the expansion.

This expansion is 99% white and people flip out because of ONE black character

It doesn't have anything gay even

>>713389739
Garrison 2.0, everyone will hate it because no one will leave it.

>>713389670
Because unlike the rest of the MMOS released post-WoW it actually managed to succeed. Regardless of what my or anyone elses opinion of said game is, it managed to not only survive but grow it's playerbase.

>>713389739
>Every game since the dawn of the MMORPG genre has had player housing
>WoW adding it 21 years after it's launch is something that will draw people to the game

not too sure about that one

>>713389821
wasn't the last expansion shit though

>>713389217 >>713389276 >>713389286 >>713389345 >>713389669
all me BTW, I'm a filthy subhuman who deserves the die horribly!

>>713389810
post toon

>>713389890
They don't know anything beyond their kindergarten for debilitatingly autistic manchildren containment zone that is WoW.

>check out the latest blisshart news
>this meme from 2020 became reality

>>713389670
because streamers started playing it as a protest for bad Blizzard decisions during Shadowlands, so the wowdrones have to seethe at it every time, the issue was they sort of enjoyed parts of it, which is seen as a threat

If they did the same with New World or whatever other MMO at that time, then it would get all the hatred.

>>713389958
using tranny as an insult isn't a good look on a wow player, sis

>>713389950
No clue, like I said I'm not giving opinions on either game, I'm simply pointing out why they are so rabid over that game in specific.

There are/were arguments that it even surpassed WoW sub totals for a period but we'll never know because there aren't official numbers on either side. One would have to imagine WoW classic pulled back that number but at what cost?

>>713389821
>>713390039
Interesting. Didn’t realize the game became so big.
Considering how hard blizzdrones melted down over people preferring MR it doesn’t surprise me

Why is there not one single genuine response to >>713389000

Seriously /v/ros help me refute that drone I was just arguing off the discord manual. I don't have the arguments but surely someone here actually played the game and can help me ou?

>>713389950
Yes, it's exposed that "CREATIVE BUSINESS UNIT 3" has zero creativeness and follow the same checklist each expansion, which is getting tiring. Each live letter is just them saying they are sorry then doing something that is absolute shit.

Story retards are pissed because they were not the main character this go around. Non-story retards are eating good but the patch times are stretched out so much they empty the table months before the next feast is delivered.

It's just a bad time.

Blizzdrones will throw shit at something if it's in the same genre.
But will develop a seething, teeth clenching hate-obsession with it if they feel threatened by it.

I just want to play vanilla again on a non-shit server.

>>713389670
streamers tried to scare blizzard into "fixing their game" by astroturfing a mass exodus.
literally every single player i knew who fell for it didn't make it past stormblood and just went back to wow or quit MMOs entirely. endless torrents of reading with only a break to actually play the game (kill 3 mobs) before going back to the torrents of cutscenes filtered all the wowbrained creatures who were raised on a game with basically nonstop gameplay.
unsurprisingly, this exodus did not move blizzard.

>it happened again

has pyromancer had any melties lately

>>713386352
>They want to ban combat addons and also simplify encounter and class design
The class design is good right now though. Making it more simple would make it more boring. Bizzard's way of showing procs or when your skills are coming back up is god damn awful, and even if it wasn't awful, customizing it to your taste is much better than just having no choice in how you want your interface to remind you of things, like resources, procs, cooldowns.

>>713390230
>you can easily gear up one character

I dont play shit MMOs where it takes 1 week to reach end game

>>713389821
>it managed to not only survive but grow it's playerbase.
the last expansion bombed so hard it reverted back to stormblood levels, pre-exodus. another L for blizztroons, even XIV fags have the spine to quit the game in protest when the game turns to shit, unlike wowfags.

Threadly Reminder that Vanlla Wrath and Mop Are the best versions of this game.

>>713390294
Project Epoch hopefully

>>713390486
>>713390039
One of the copes you see is that the "other" game was only popular because WoW players left to try it, when in reality they were just hopping on the bandwagon because it was already riding a huge wave the most recent expansion created.

The streamer aspect is what caused the most division, you had their heroes, streamers, leaving their game to try something else. It fucking blew minds, but maybe it did save a few lost souls.

>>713390609
>vanilla

Literally no wowfag even brought up FFXIV in this thread.

It's anti-wow bots that brought it up first. In fact not even "first". Almost all mentions of FFXIV in this thread are from anti-wow drones: >>713368237
>>713383694
>>713389216
>>713387638
>>713388882

>>713390486
>did not move blizzard
You really think all this alt-friendly, alt-gearing, housing-update shit just came out of thin air? The threat was enough to make them change tune. Dragonflight had remnants of Shadowlands all throughout it. That was their new gameplay loop but they had to change course.

>WoW
no difficulty
no actual game, unmemorable content, designed to rush you to end-game where you faceroll your keyboard against forgettable bosses in a 40 man (literally who cares) raid which took 4 hours to organize but 30 minute sto complete
loot is shit
graphics are shit
combat is just shit
pvp is a joke
is pozzed as fuck

yep
Im not supporting this game

>>713390609
project epoch radiates huge wildstar energy. mmo players only LARP as hardcore world first tier raiders

>>713390689
TWW isn't that different from DF and SL.

>>713367095 (OP)
No actual Horde player would tell you that War Within's a good expansion.

>>713390517
"End game" is relative. True endgame is at +15 and beyond or mythical raids. If you are new to the game it could take you several months to reach the skill level required to tap into that.

The problem with WoW is that if you are a grinding autist it is not a game for you. Unless you are satisfied grinding side content like mounts or achievements.

>>713390682
nice try blizzard cultist. i'm one of the anons you quoted and i have this to say: both games are utter shit, they're just different flavors of shit
STOP
PLAYING
MMOS

>>713367095 (OP)
there are people who say that every time. I think it's usually cope and with time no-one remembers every expansion as really being better than the last

>>713390740
and Midnight and Titans Bad LOL will feel the same as well, they got the game play loop they need to milk everyone some more

>>713390682
>no wowfag brought it up in this thread
>and those that did are actually just wow haters
: |

>>713390730
>no difficulty
How isn't M+ difficult? It literally scales up as hard as you can take it.

>no actual game, unmemorable content
Buzzwords.

>designed to rush you to end-game
Max level isn't even endgame, it's just where the game starts.

>faceroll your keyboard against forgettable bosses in a 40 man (literally who cares) raid which took 4 hours to organize but 30 minute sto complete
Another retard that did not play the game.

Raids with appropriately geared players take 3 hours.

If it's a rush from people stomping something that they are way beyond in ilvl, it still takes at least 1 hour.

And if you are facerolling your keyboard you are playing your spec wrong and certainly not getting into m+.

You are a retard that played LFR, probably one single phase of a 4-step raid, and think that's the game. Genuinely were too retarded to even start playing for real.

>combat is just shit
No other MMO with better combat.

>>713390682
It's just the normal Squareshill tactic. Bring yourself or your bogeyman up first. Then act like you're the victim

>>713390914
Just read their post it's literally all bashing WoW.

>>713390735
I don’t know what this means but hopefully it’s a good server. I don’t care about world first things, just fun classic

>>713390920
>No other MMO with better combat.

You cannot explain how WoW is better than other MMOs with the same tab-target premise.

Have wowfags gotten sick of the mythic+ treadmill yet or no?

>>713390939
WoW players have never and will never be the victim.

See >>713388941

>>713390730
>raid
>takes 30 minutes to complete
you did not play a raid, when I want to blame blizzard for casualizing content I remember that they have to design it around low IQ retards like you

>>713391019
>You cannot explain how WoW is better than other MMOs with the same tab-target premise.
Easily can. WoW has the smoothest and most precise movement and gameplay. This is universally acknowledged by the players of all other MMOs even. It just FEELS GOOD. WoW is to other MMORPGs, in terms of controls, like what TF2 is to Overwatch.

>>713391019
>You cannot explain how WoW is better than other MMOs with the same tab-target premise.
The rotations in WoW are more fun and fluid and make more sense than in any other combat. Aiming is a meme.

>>713383741
>all white women
>and the 1 token asian woman in the center
kek, nice "diversity" blizzard

>>713391032
>have wowfags gotten sick of playing the game yet or no?
I will never ever understand why people complain about "m+ treadmill". It's just a way to play the game but forced to do randomized dungeons with randomized modifiers and with actual difficulty. If you don't want to PLAY THE GAME, the game even offers you side content to do while you regain your motivation to play the game more.

>>713383741
>Wheelchair pride flag
That's why Khadgar was in a wheelchair btw

>>713391019
bruh no need to lie on that shit, no other tab target MMO is even close. I play FFXIV and shit is rigid as fuck in comparison.

>>713390920
>Max level isn't even endgame, it's just where the game starts.
Grim.

>>713391019
>best class fantasy
>most fluid combat
>movement is some of the best in the history of gaming
you can hate wow all you want but credit where it's due their 20 years game is still unrivaled when it comes to the actual gameplay

>>713388967
Newfag

>>713389000
>Seriously kill yourself retards you don't even play vidya
you play retail wow, you've no place to say that to anyone, you genetic refuse.

>>713391016
wildstar is a failed mmo who tried to cater to super hardcore MMO players. it got shut down because it didn't have any players. being a psychic is a requirement to figure out their custom mechanics, didn't you know? enjoy wiping to general drakkisath over and over because nobody will tell you you need to bring 3 keys and interact with objects with zero feedback to prevent his unavoidable one-shot mechanic

The only reason anniversary servers are popular right now and have the highest player counts across all versions is anticipation of TBC

This expansion is kino but I am way too much of a shitter to go past +12. And I have no idea how to improve by this point. Might need to cave in and get into a guild.

>>713391415
whatever lets you sleep at night, troon. i don't give a shit about what inferior and dying mmo players think

>>713391256
because it's a trash loop.
>zone in
>pull 800 mobs
>aoe until they die
>repeat until boss
>boss has a new mechanic that 20% of the time changes the fight a little
>repeat
>loot another belt
>run again

other MMOs do the same now and it's boring as shit, mobs need to feel like a threat.

>>713391483
just buy a boost like every modern wow player. you're not poor are you?

>>713391504
lol that’s a lot of cope

>>713390025
>We're already on Cata classic
>MoP classic is probably coming next
I still remember playing the trial during MoP and getting filtered

>>713391558
What?

>>713372787
>bfa came out in 2017
August 2018, which is still scary.

>>713367095 (OP)
>jumped in to see what theyve done since legion
>1 button actions so you dont have to know your rotation
>introduced guided NPC dungeons
>theres also a new dungeon called a delve
>tons of shit going at once
>story is whatever
>new zones are pretty
>every mount flies
>adding housing later
>actually have a roadmap for changes and what to expect
>basically stole everything they could from other game

overall pretty solid changes but i dont think people are going to give retail a chance after so many years of fuckups, i also think borrowed power is back again so thats fun.

I feel like the majority of WoW/blizzard defending on this board is ironic.
Nobody hates WoW more than their own players. Even people talking in chat defending the game will get laughed at usually.

>>713391540
When was the last time you played the game? Every single trash mob has so many mechanics, it is never as simple as "pull in and AoE until they die". The bosses also always have at least 3 mechanics. I have no idea how this can be boring, you have to study that shit before you get in otherwise you WILL die and there's several dungeons to learn at every season, this is not even getting into raids.

It's not.
It's better than shadowlands, slightly better than dragonflight, but it's been very much a one step forward two steps back situation where they release something good but then either timegate it, it's bugged or as of late start falling back into the pit of too many borrowed powers.
I stopped playing for cutting edge this tier and don't really plan on playing much until player housing is a thing, just to check it out.
I'll give classic pandas a try, though. Just to relive some of the pvp.

>>713391689
>>1 button actions so you dont have to know your rotation
Genuinely good feature. This rolls the most basic aspects of your rotation at reduced efficiency (ranging from 40% to 80% depending on your spec). It's meant for casual content. You can either use it for accessibility or if you just want to turn your brain off as you quest and/or do casual dungeons or delves.

I've used it yesterday while drunk/stoned and it was great.

Obviously it doesn't work in actual endgame content like raids or m+, the 1 button action does not use even 20% of your spellbook

>>713391706
It's not and that's what makes it so sad. These people are genuinely beyond help and if Blizzard put out a $25,000 mount they'd buy it.

>>713391439
The fact that people just let it die because they were not told everything is a symptom of WoW really. Datamining and PTR shit just ruined discovery.

FFXIV at least gets that part right. Bosses show a limited version of an ability and expand on it later in the fight so everyone is learning and having fun while wiping.... Even if it's only for the first week or so until the boss clear tutorial videos start populating and now all PUGs tell you to watch said video

>>713367095 (OP)
I'm sick of seeing the gimped nigger that looks like a pitbull and everyone talking about their fucking feelings.

We have the most fluid autobattler.

Idk how people like WoW
I see videos of it
the gameplay looks ASS

>movement is seemingly pointless
>enemies/bosses standing in one place
>while 6+ people stand and clip into each other to get their DPS in
>"rotations" sounds autistic as fuck and imply the gameplay isn't based on regularly adaptating to circumstances, but is in fact the norm

>>713391954
>"rotations" sounds autistic as fuck and imply the gameplay isn't based on regularly adaptating to circumstances, but is in fact the norm
That's just any RPG combat, unless you play a very old-school game like Baldur's Gate where you do nothing but auto-attack.

>>713391706
>I feel like the majority of WoW/blizzard defending on this board is ironic.
it's like one or two mindbroken furroids

>>713391439
The "hardcore MMO playerbase" are a deranged vocalic minority that always fools some devs.

I would say 50% of the playerbase are incompetent casuals, 40% are average players engaging with the content healthily and competently and appreciate QoL and convenience like LFG, 10% are "hardcore autists" that love sabotaging themselves by protesting against shit like the auction house or le "borrowed powers"

>>713391562
that's what you're doing. wow in its deepest valley will still be superior to your game at its peak

>>713391854
>until the boss clear tutorial videos start populating and now all PUGs tell you to watch said video
i hate this shit
but the worst part is that this isn't really an issue with game design, but rather just a reflection of the change in online culture in general, and there's really nothing to do about it

>>713367481
Fpbp
>>713367095 (OP)
Goy moment

>>713392091
>wow in its deepest valley
the game since shadowlands to this day?

>>713391954
Idk how people like chess
I see videos of it
the gameplay looks ASS

>pawns are seemingly pointless
>king standing in one place
>while 12+ pieces stand and clip into each other to get their captures in
>"elo" sounds autistic as fuck and imply the gameplay isn't based on regularly adaptating to circumstances, but is in fact the norm

>>713391706
still the best MMO on the market and it's not even close.

>>713392136
uh oh wowtroon having a melty

>>713391954
>>"rotations" sounds autistic as fuck and imply the gameplay isn't based on regularly adaptating to circumstances, but is in fact the norm
Anon "rotations" are just the mathematically efficient way to play your hand at any given moment

And there is not one single rotation. You can have dozens of rotations that you apply based on circumstance.

You can also ignore the community-developed rotations and just wing it. And you can get very far into endgame content doing this. Using the mathematically most efficient rotation only matters if you keep going further into m+ until the game is mathematically asking for perfection. You don't need to take your gameplay to this level.

>>713392169
the best MMO is Dofus

>>713392091
Yet you keep saying it as if you don’t believe it yourself
A guy who’s 6 foot won’t constantly be running around telling people how being tall is epic and amazing and to remember that he’s tall. Only shortfag larpers would do that

>>713392254
>literally who game nobody has ever heard about
lmao

>>713392287
how many people do you think still play wow that don't have sunk cost fallacy
it has no cultural relevance anymore
and that's with blizzard hard shilling it

>>713392169
>best pile of shit of all the pile of shits
MMORPG is a dead genre, like RTS. They are just fashion and home simulators now.

>>713392091
>>713392169
The goodest goy
FFXIV is better :)

>>713384362
the soul

>>713392287
>no valid criticism

>>713388552
>Shit like Asmon and Mcconnell and Staysafe
None of these people play WoW anymore, what the fuck are you on about?!?

>>713388552
>Literal nazis
>Simping for Israel

>>713390252
The problem were always the streamers that never faced any consequences. CBU3 being shit never mattered they created a war between themselves and the wow devs and dragged the entire community with them. FF14 won the lottery by being a proxy weapon they picked up. CBU3 can't design an MMO or RPG for shit so the momentum didn't hold. But nobody ever addresses the real problem which isn't the wow devs or the CBU3 devs. But the streamers who churned out self serving rage bullshit, decided what the narrative would be and what the game should be for everyone, and just tucked their tails between their legs and left FF14. Leaving both games as shit while they all gained followers and profit. Zepla shit talked the fuck out of wow and build a base on that and no amount of 180 when she realizes the extent of CBU3 's creative bankruptcy is going to give back the damage she did. This entire thing was a streamer problem and always has been since mid BFA.

>>713388552
That blad retard hasn't touched WoW for what 6 years now, what are you talking about? He is not even a voice in what's going on with WoW right now.

>>713367095 (OP)
Anyone still playing WoW has bottom tier taste on games so them liking it means literally nothing

>>713392401
how do you expect me to criticise a game when i don't even know what it looks like? fucking dumbass doofus cultists.

>>713384362
They hadn't completely butchered the game's identity and gameplay yet and still had some soul left from Vanilla (the real World of Warcraft)

Cataclysm is where it became truly irredeemable

>>713388552
I find it funny how WoWfags sucked Asmongold off since he had a bunch of viewers and drew eyes to the game.
Then when he quit, they all soured on him and started shittalking, insisting that they never wanted him around in the first place.
Scorned women.

>>713392570
then maybe you should try an actual good MMO before you talk about MMOs?

It still feels to me like BfA and Shadowlands was the latest expansions.

>>713392169
WoW hasn't been the best MMO on the market since Heavensward dropped and that was over 12 years ago

>>713392721
if your mmo is so good then why have i never heard of it? dumbass

>>713392663
does he play games anymore? I check his stream like 5 minutes a week and it's always politics

>>713392836
because you're a nigger, obviously

>>713392798
get out of this thread now xivtroon, your dumbass erp chatroom isn't even an MMORPG

>>713392836
>it’s only good if Reddit tells me it’s good
Goy

>>713382506
Humiliation ritual for the golems that are still addicted to this trash

>>713392848
no
but they're still mad he betrayed them

>>713392918
yeah i have no doubt that's where you heard about the game because it sure as fuck isn't getting discussed on /v/ lmfao

>>713392091
>>713392169
>>713392287
>>713392836
>>713392915
This is the same tranime self proclaimed pedo who’s been doing this for years btw

>>713393112
i'm not a tranime pedo, i don't play xiv

>>713393098
Which game? FFXIV?
That game gets discussed MORE than WoW on /v/ though

>>713393176
yeah sure

>>713392798
FFXIV combat is dull and uninteresting and you only play it to ERP as a catgirl, kill yourself.

>>713392915
>xir says that when WoW isn't an MMO either
lul

>>713393184
inbred retard HIV cultist can't even follow a linear chain of posts. jesus christ how embarassing. see: >>713392915

>>713393225
>being able to cite a handful of gay and trans characters in WoW is the same thing as playing a game with the express intention of roleplaying as a little girl

>>713393228
xiv was a good visual novel before dawntrail

>>713393291
I was merely replying to your post implying that a game is bad because you haven’t heard of it before.
Given your insanity I only bothered to assume you were referring to XIV.
I don’t play MMOs anymore

>>713367095 (OP)
I keep getting banned in-game for the smallest things

Can't enjoy the game... literally.

>>713393309
>he says this replying to a post with a female gnome in it
Irony

>>713393493
>sign the social contract
>break the social contract
>money stolen
>how could this happen

>>713393493
kek

>>713393568
Its an NPC you dopey fuck

>>713392639
what identity and gameplay?
vanilla was also a shitty raidlog simulator with extremely dogshit gameplay, its not possible to butcher 1 button spam

>>713393391
i have heard of XIV though, mainly because you culists never shut up about it. thankfully the XIV devs are retards and let me try their game for free so i could fully understand what utter dogshit their shitty VN pretending to be an MMO is before giving their scam artist yuckshitpiss any money

>>713393493
based

How's the PvP in retail WoW no?

I refuse to support a pozzed company. These people need to learn their lesson.

>>713367095 (OP)
>THERE ARE SEVERELY MENTALLY ILL PEOPLE PLAYING RETAIL WOW
I know, actually I've known for years now.
Might even be a decade, I advise you steer well clear.

>>713393634
And? It’s an NPC of a race you can play as in the game, which people do.
And they ERP as little girls
You slow or something?

don't forget your buffs, xisters

queen of mmos

>>713388692
I gave shadowlands a chance and it was a very boring compared to my time on TLoK. MMOs are just terrible by design.

>wow players
If you still play WoW in 2025 you don't have soul or a brain. You're a corporate slave.

>>713393228
XIV combat was fine before Shadowbringers.

>>713393685
Except you never tried it. You just seethed about it on /v/ for 4 years and picked up little bits of doomer info here and there to form your cope narrative.
You’ve been at this for years.
YEARS.
And the worst part is that you don’t see yourself as wrong or weird for doing so. You convince yourself that it’s all to “get back” at them for “being annoying”
Schizos can never get better because they don’t even realize they are schizos
It’s sad

>>713393924
>80 gorillion possibilities
>none of them look good
>also you can't wear armor

>>713393918
Blizz really just can't help themselves can they?

>>713369285
They didn't have to do that because the drones will never stop paying them money. Proof: they kept paying money to play Shadowlands.

>>713394006
>also you can't wear armor
yeah, what's up with that
don't wowfags take issue with that?

>>713393952
shut the fuck up and let me enjoy my bgslop in peace

go masturbate to a lalafell or whatever it is that you cretins do

>>713394008
they are openly advertising on their launcher their dogshit story patch that tries to paint the picture that having pride in your culture is bad

>>713394151
cultist

>>713394151
this looks like shit

>>713394006
I still can't believe they thought these homo dragons were a good idea

>>713394151
>everyone who hates WoW is a XIV player
Obsessed, cope, rent free, etc

>>713393924
>It seems you're in need of your eyes adjusted, little one.
What brown country does Blizzard outsource their advertising to

>>713394151
I don't play MMOs because I am a human being, I have a soul, and I don't pay money every month to a company that hates me and refers to me as a farmable vegetable, which is what you are to Blizzard.

>>713367095 (OP)
I don't care about wow players opinions, I care about ex wow players opinions.

>>713367095 (OP)
the only people still playing this shit are so invested that of course they think current product is the best thing of all time, or else they wouldnt be playing that shit

>>713394298
india, just like their customer support

>>713394213
WoW notoriously looks like puke.

>>713394223
why not? it mirrors the kind of subhuman who is still playing world of diversityandinclusioncraft after shitolands

>>713394386
>Salamacrom
XD

>>713394006
Playing these tranny dragons is truly despicable

>>713367095 (OP)
I liked Dragonflight more. It felt fresher, but I know I’m biased because as long as I get to do my dailies in visually appealing zones I’m more or less happy. Every zone in DF was just huge natural areas which I dig, in TWW even the surface area feels artificially made, and the rest are too jarring.
Spider zone is cool though but I’m not frequently there.

Ever notice how WoW just doesn't exist anymore in the media? It used to feature in TV shows, on talk shows on occasion, had South Park episodes about it, celebrities would mention that they love WoW and it'd be some kinda headline.
None of that nowadays.

>ffxiv
>21 classes
>wow
>13 classes

um wowturds?

>>713394574
Because it was a phenomenon. Pokémon and San Andreas was the same. Street Fighter 2 as well but you were in your dad’s balls back then.

>>713394574
it became corporate slop
literally the only thing wow is known for is its size/popularity

does anyone know what the first boss or mob in WoW is? there is NOTHING memorable about the game

behold the tiersetkino from the next patch. art team carrying hard sisters

>>713367095 (OP)
>Reddit
>Not shilling
Lmao

>>713394584
xiv's classes are more akin to specs
wow has 13 classes with like 4 specs each

>>713394689
We need to go back.

>>713394574
family guy had a gag referencing wow like a year ago and it was yet another fucking leeroy jenkins parody
no media presence is preferable to this shit

>>713394689
don't xivtards cry every day about not getting to wear hats on their ugly furries
why's no wowtard bitching about this shit

>>713394726
3* and the majority of spec abilities are the same as every other spec

>>713394804
Xivfags have some semblance of standards

>>713394689
The fact that they don't customize the sets for Evoker dragon is sort of amazing considering it's their set.

>>713394882
They don't need to.
Wowfags will just say "art team carrying" anyway, even though they can't even wear their own tier set.

>>713367095 (OP)
tww sucks ass but at least i have like four versions of classic

>>713394804
>not being able to wear hats is better than not being able to wear anything but shoulders and the belt buckle
do blizzcultists fucking really? this is some shit i would expect from a funserver that lets you play as an ogre or some shit

>>713394726
Every class plays the same in nu-wow

>>713394726
Most have 3 specs and not 4, so 39 different gameplay specs.
Then each spec has 2 Hero trees that change further how you play that spec. Some of these changes are minor, but some completly shift how you play the spec (Elune's Chosen Lunar Calling Balance Druid).

Just a lot more variety than FFXIV

Someone post that in game cinematic lmfao

>>713375610
i started midway through bc, mists was great

>>713394804
>>don't xivtards cry every day about not getting to wear hats on their ugly furries
not for long they won't. your response blizzkek?

>>713395134
Lets not pretend this is really embarrassing for the XIV team that it took them 5 years to get hats working for these races.

This will sell our game.

>>713395183
The reaction that killed an entire studio.

>>713395052
who the fuck said you could have agency? you WILL use the optimised build in your class discord for the fight or you WILL get kicked from the raid.

>>713395026
Yeah, that's the most annoying part.
So Blizzard finally hit that low where they will put out a race that just can't wear armor. Something that people said they'd never do before Dragonflight.
And what do they do with it? A Nerubian? Ethereal? Naga? Some other race with a strange body plan that might make it hard to impossible to give armor? Nah.
Fucking Drag Thyr.

>>713395181
*that this isn't really embarrassing

>>713367095 (OP)
>1 guy says something
>"WOW PLAYERS ARE SAYING"
Shut the fuck up

Hate this clickbait shit so much. You and the headline journos should end your bloodlines

>>713395181
true but better late than never. more that can be said for drag'thyr or mechadiaperbabies

>>713395181
We're on our way to 3 years since the lizards were added and they can't really wear any gear at all.
And WoW fags won't say anythng about it.

>>713395270
if it has positive upvote score people agree with it. that means more than one person is thinking the same thing, just not saying it. dumbass.

>>713395270
cute judy

>>713367095 (OP)
There's retail WoW players saying this every single expansions, they're just mentally gone. There were people also unironically defending Shadowlands even though nobody knew wtf was even happening in that expansion

>>713395210
>killed
in delusional hivtroony minds maybe

>>713395134
Not sure if you're calling me a blizzkek here or not, because I have no horse in the race. I don't like or play either game. All I know is that xiv players have been crying about no hats forever but I don't really hear about no gear on the lizards.

>>713377380
S T E V E N I G G E R K I L L E R

>>713395470
shadowlands was the best xpac, it finally demazed me (and a whole lot of other people) because we realized nothing was ever going to improve when blizzard devs actually and unironically appeared on camera to hype up a patch by saying "water.... that you can walk on!"

>>713395540
of course you don't
blizztroons are notorious for eating shit up and asking for seconds. that meme has been posted for well over two decades

if WoW is so good how come they've never made WoW2?

>>713367095 (OP)
Anyone who is still playing WoW 15+ years past its prime is already too far gone.

>>713395354
Motherfucker, idiots on reddit will upvote anything, often without reading

Youd need to make a poll among all wow players and if 51% say its good then youre allowed to run that headline

>>713395634
there was no need to improve on perfection.

>>713386557
Well, grading on the curve here.

>>713395457
Thank you.

>>713395669
lol

Gonna be honest, but I'm kinda tired of the constant fighting and game vs game shit.

>>713395793
Then take the no 4chan pill

I'm seeing a lot more people shitting on TWW as of late. At the start of the expansion, it felt like the positivity was almost impermeable, but the discontent seems to appear more frequently.

>>713394684
>does anyone know what the first boss or mob in WoW is?
hogger

>>713395212
I didn't even touch on that. I considered a singular spec+hero talent for each combination. It's still a lot more combinations than FFXIV has, without taking into account the individual point distribution (which let's be real, is more often than not just copied from discord or an external source)

wow won

I dont understand how WoW players can think WoW is "the best MMO" when they don't even agree amongst themselves.

>WoW classic!
>WoW private servers!
>vanilla WoW
>this expansion

Make up your minds you fucking retards.

>>713367095 (OP)
They say that about literally every expansion when it hits.

but guys.. player housing is coming soon and all the youtubers said the preview they saw is better than fino fanto

>>713397495
yeah?

>>713392052
>I would say 50% of the playerbase are incompetent casuals
its much worse then that, anon

>>713395634
Wait until Warcraft 4 releases. Trust the plan

>>713367095 (OP)
In terms of gameplay, yes. In terms of absolutely everything else, no.

>>713395564
I'm glad you remember this because I found that video very disappointing too. I actually just hunted down that exact moment.

https://youtu.be/IRWIW2VxgGs?t=71

>>713367095 (OP)
It does appear kicking Bobby K and his ilk out of the house has started to help improve the game. They still have a lot of work to do with the story though

>>713383978
nice transmog

>>713369760
Sounds like every game release for the past decade. Especially if you come to this shit hole

>>713398148
it only got greedier tho

>>713384806
My first MMO was SWG back in 2003. There were very minimal themepark elements but the game was a sandbox.

The endless gear treadmill/endgame focus of MMOs didn't really become the norm until WoW. Most people treated MMOs like life simulators.

>>713397043
You can play all of them if you reject doing CE level content and have WoW be your only hobby.
My gaming habits have become sickening, verging on mental illness. Help me.

>>713399018
but do you have a job?

>>713399150
When I had a job it took me like 4 days just to level a retail character through a new expansion drop.
If you worked 40 hours you could schedule yourself into a CE guild, but hell naw on playing multiple versions or Classic.

>>713368527
Mists was very good, but the game died with Wrath. Everything that everyone bitches about began in Wrath yet they still fellate it like it's the best thing ever made

gameplay is better than ever
story is 2nd worst expansion only behind dragonflight

>>713400624
>putting hero talents as sets
>now forces people to absolutely play only one of the two hero talents builds because one will be 1% better according to sims
yeah looking forward to all the people crying about 11.2

>>713400834
I mostly play Warrior and Priest. Both hero talents are 100% viable. No one cares about 1% difference, but it's usually "talent 1 is better at raids, talent 2 is better at m+, you can use both at either anyway".

/v/ makes meta faggotry sound way worse than it actually is, I play at a high level and never had problems.

wow lost
many are saying this

>>713400979
many places
i look at many places, and i see people
great, great people -they're amazing- saying that wow lost
and it's sad, really. it is.

>>713397612
>FFXIV achievement is getting a fucking free mount that is given away for completing the main story and only 18% have it
>WoW achievement is completing every mythic achievement in the expansion which requires not only clearing the most hardcore content in the game but also methodically and 8% of people have it
>mocks people that download DBM while pretending to criticize casuals (?)
The false equivalence is palpable

>>713401273
the funniest part is that WoW is visited so much by casuals while FFXIV is only played by autists and even they can't bear the game

>>713370876
I wonder if the reason they couldn’t redo BC and WotLK again (aside from MoP) is because at least for those two expansions everyone entering was on the same playing field moving pretty much linearly and the whatever was going on in the background told you more about the zone than the quests ever did. Looking back on it, I had more enjoyment questing through Outland than cataclysm because I enjoyed looking at the zones I was in, hearing the music and seeing other players just existing. Going from arid hellscape to rainy swamp land to vegetated forest was nice to experience.

For WotLK the snow was getting boring to see but the story was pretty good getting you to and from places. Ulduar being my favorite raid in the series aside, the was a lot of effort trying to do different things in each raid.

But with the new expansions you aren’t getting much of either. You rarely interact with people because people are just trying to hit end game content. The music doesn’t have enough depth. The stories weird and don’t put enough effort in to engage you. Don’t get me started on end game raiding but once you hit max level there isn’t a whole lot of reasons to go back to the zones you quested in. No since of exploration and fantasy, just playing for pixels and big numbers

>>713400940
>/v/ makes meta faggotry sound way worse than it actually is, I play at a high level and never had problems.
I play priest and warlock, mostly agree with you so not really offering a counter point. I just think it's funny that people obssess over it from a numerical, meta perspective. It shows how inexperienced they are with the game.
I don't play Shadow VW because the big cospiracy claims it's better from a numerical perspective. Even if it were slightly inferior, for the majority of fights in the current raid, it's better because it allows more movement since you can torrent while walking.
If you were to meta slave really hard, Warlock should swap specs every fight, but it's fine to just play one spec in all if that's what you're comfortable with, in all Mythic Raid fights.

>>713402532
Yeah going for meta is a total noob trap if anything because what is meta this patch might not be meta in the next. And the meta spec often requires a level of execution that takes more than one patch worth of casual investment to learn. I fell for that trap this patch going for disc priest over holy, but after 100 hours I'm starting to get it and it's more fun than holy that's for sure

>>713402720
>I fell for that trap this patch going for disc priest over holy,
It's both a trap and not a trap. I think the spec in general is better because it has a unique niche no other can really fulfill, but it's not like you have to play it. I play in a CE guild and we killed Gally months ago with a Disc and a Holy priest in the comp, because the person who plays holy priest isn't comfortable playing with other specs and didn't have well geared alts to switch over.

>>713402887
Yeah for sure almost anything is viable CE except fury warrior. I based my decision on the premise that as disc priest everyone would accept my group applications, while for holy after ~+12 they would snuff at it. Which has been true in my experience. But in the end the disc spec won me over it's genuinely a very interesting approach on healing and no other spec can output its absurd hps, but it does test the healer's knowledge of the content and the group itself to its limits

>>713393587
>sign the social contract
more like
>All gaming companies openly conspire to force stilted, infantilizing and inescapable corporate interaction in every single virtual space
>person behaves in a regular manner
>u broke da rulez! our money now :)

>>713403030
why is blizzard still hardcapping fury aoe to 5 mobs it's so retarded

It's such a wonderful game right now

I wish /v/ could appreciate it with me

>>713403493
what private server

>>713403676
retail

>>713384806
MMOs were better during the grind days of Maplestory and Ragnarok online. This is a fucking fact with all the private servers that were running around. Its better game design. Grinds are good, long journeys are better than endgame focus. It should take you a year to hit level 100 if not more and there should be more dungeons along the way. The game should be have a grind inbetween Maplestory classic and vanilla wow and have a shitload of content and a max level of 100

>>713388552
>Asmongold
>Literal Nazi
>Is a Jew
Words just don't have any meaning to you faggots anymore do they?

>>713388552
>WoW has one of the most leftwing woke grifters still who plays
You do know that Preach and his crew are all incredibly left wing? His entire thing about politics is how much he hates Brexit, hates J.K. Rowling, hates the Nigel Farage and supports trans-rights.
Before you try to say he's just some random streamer for the game I'll say bullshit, the guy is invited to Blizzard HQ every few months currently and is in direct contact with Blizz any time he wants. Wouldn't surprise me if his fat helper is an actual troon chaser as well.

>>713395303
They were and still do. There's 0 excuse for the sheer laziness in Dracthyr but here we are. It'd be genuinely less insulting if it was just a Druid situation where you are just in a dragon form with no player armor showing during combat and no one would give a shit.

But no, you get hideous scaly elves only and your 'true' form is the laziest shit.

>>713368527
this
last time WoW actually had some fun content
felt like the game got lost to time after that expansion

>>713388967
>What is tortanic
>What was AION
>what was WAR online
>What was ESO pre morrowind
>What was FF14 before ARR
>what was blizzard attacking PoE?
>what was blizzard attacking Valve for years
>What was blizzard still paying journalists to shit on bethesda because they wanted to make their own fallout with starcraft till it bombed?
blizzdrones every1

>>713404976
The POE attacks were the most funny, POE beat Diablo 3 and 4. POE2..well thats another discussion

Isn't Nightslayer the vanilla anniversary server the most successful/largest server right now?

>>713392287
>doesn't know how "literally who" is used
giga newfag outs themselves, many such cases

brb world of meleecraft
brb mythic dungeons are full of retards
brb all the retarded shit in the story-line

blizzard caters to the locked-in syndrome retards of the past that are 35-50 years old now.

>>713399345
I've got a work from home gig, my buddy freshly unemployed taking advantage of it and we started anni/nightslayer a few months ago. The sheer amount of time to do almost anything is so understated. As painful as it is doing 30+ hours of just av in a week it helps to think in vanilla and classic 1 it took even longer and then you had to maintain the privilege to use those weapons and armor.

>>713388914
Both games are between 800k~1.2m players because they're the same fucking game.
>tab target endgame focus where the primary endgame content is raiding
Guess what, turns out there's a lot of fucking cross contamination going on there.