So when are we going to get a Star Wars game that actually depicts the “heroes on both sides” it aludes to?

play world of warcraft

>>713374961 (OP)
There's an episode of Clone Wars with that title that shows that there are good Separatist people.

>>713374961 (OP)
Dooku did nothing wrong

>>713374961 (OP)
You can be a hero to your side without being morally good. However the Separatists are not morally evil anyway.

>>713375475
He sold the entire Togruta species into slavery for basically no reason

>>713375404
>Filoni Wars

To be honest, thats pretty much The Old Republic games.
There is even a sith that figured out that you don't have to be a schizo goth kid with zero impulse control to have Sith powers, you just need a strong emotion.
You can literally be a Sith that does shit with the power of friendship in theory. Sure, his teachings are considerated heretical, since Sith consider being autistic edgelords a religion, but good siths do exists.

>>713375731
>no reason
have you SEEN their women??

>>713374961 (OP)
Whenever Star Wars games want to show heroes of the Empire, they eventually defect to the Rebels.

Heroes on both sides means that there have been victories on both sides. The trade feds aren't going to consider the Jedi heroes after they blow up another gorillion droids they made, and the Republic aren't going to go "oh what a nuanced viewpoint" after Dooku executes whoever the fuck for a separatist victory on a system.

>>713375731
>No reason
You know damn well that there was a good reason behind all of this.
Well, at least for everyone but the twileks themselves.

>>713374961 (OP)
I just want a Grievous jedi hunting game.
It would be so easy to make.

>>713374961 (OP)
KOTOR already did. Just not the black and white heroes Lucas envisioned.

>>713375689
I don't know how people miss this. Dooku, Grevious and the Seperatist council are heroes to those in the galaxy that hate the Republic. It's spelled out even harder when Padme directly questions if the Seperatists had the right idea.

>>713375689
The big clue that the Separatists aren't "the bad guys" is that they wind up being crushed by the Empire who ARE explicitly the bad guys.

If only there was nuance in the prequels instead of retarded dialogue and people emoting like cardboard boxed. Oh and no Jar Jar or “yippee.”

>>713376597
The separatists constantly terrorized neutral worlds, produced WMDs to use against civilian populations, were always ordering political assassinations, considered with galactic crime lords and slave empires, and generally did absolutely nothing heroic for the entire war.

>>713376597
And they're not good guys either because they were set up to fail. Any legitimate political reason any of the systems had for joining up was undermined by all the shit Dooku had them doing to make sure they didn't get too popular and actually bring down the Republic with genuine reform.

Prequels, CIS = our HEROES fighting the GOOD fight

>>713375475
>A new government clean, pure, direct: none of the messy scramble for the favor of ignorant rabble and subhuman creatures that made up the Republic he so despised. The government he would serve would be Authority personified.
>Human authority.
>At war’s end the aliens would be crushed, stripped of all they possessed, and their systems and their wealth would be given into the hands of the only beings who could be trusted with them.
>Human beings.
>Dooku would serve an Empire of Man.
>He would smash the Jedi Order to create it anew; not shackled by the corrupt, narcissistic, shabby little beings who called themselves politicians, but to bring true authority and true peace to a galaxy that so needed both.
>An Order that would not negotiate. Would not mediate.
>An Order that would ENFORCE.
- Revenge of the Sith novelization

>>713376597
They’re bad guys who got manipulated by even worse guys.

>>713374961 (OP)
star wars is fundamentally about good vs evil. the sith wear all black and red and have ridiculous names like Darth Sidious and feed off hatred and cackle as they shoot lightning at people. why does every pseud faggot feel the need to go "but...erm...what if both sides were equally bad?" there's dozens of other IPs you can get into if you want moral complexity, but that's not what star wars is about and it's not what it should be about
anyway, just play kotor2 and jerk off to avellone's pseud faggot self-insert girl

Cis are the OG rebels

>>713375404
another perhaps better example would be Bad Batch S02E03 (one of the two non-shit episodes of the show)
it takes the classic
>heroic squad of clone trooper commandoes fights their way into an enemy stronghold and saves the day
trope and flips it on its head. the clones are heroic but they're enforcing imperial expansionism, they save the day by hunting down and executing a separatist captain who is 100% in the right. afterwards they bring the empire to enslave the populace, and they start to realize they're being deliberately sent on suicide missions outnumbered until they're all dead
probably the only piece of Filoni Wars i respect

One things for certain, there are NO neumoidian heroes.

>>713377298
No Anon you see, the literal demon woman who killed billions because no one loved her had a point because...

>>713377298
And yet the finale of the original films is the first of a new generation of Jedi ignoring the advice of the old that a Sith Lord is irredeemable so he can go out and find the one spark of goodness that yet remains in a man who has spent decades butchering innocent people, successfully turning him back from his evil path

>>713377432
Gunraybros…our response?

>>713377298
This, shit's aimed at kiddos and anyone saying otherwise is retarded

>>713377298
>misses the entire point of the prequels
Oof.

>>713377968
Things written for younger audiences can still have deeper complexity and meaning for adults.

A “hero” is traditionally some kind of great warrior, the idea that that heroes have to be morally good is more recent. The Sith and General Grievous are heroes on the Separatist side.

>>713374961 (OP)
Separatist heroes, not Sith heroes

>>713375404
I hate this smug orange cunt so much

>>713379019

Anyone who played Battlefront knows that both sides have heroes so I am not sure what the point of this is.

>that one comic with the Imperial James Bond that has Count Dooku being a title on Serenno, so Dooku isn't even his name

>>713374961 (OP)
Being a hero does not allude to who is good or evil. If you can't tell who is a hero or not in a story as simplified as Star Wars, you have brain problems.

>>713374961 (OP)
A hero for both sides.

>>713374961 (OP)
Reminder the separatist just didn't want to pay some trade tax.
The retards separatists talking to Darth Sidious are always saying they think it's going too far in episode 1

>>713381305
That was the Trade Federation. They weren't Separatists until years later when it becomes a whole anti-Republic political movement that degenerates into war.

>>713381305
Greed is a sin for good reason

>>713374961 (OP)
You already have it it's called Masters of Teras Kasai

>>713376746
>“yippee.”
BANNED for hate speech

>>713381443
So is theft.

>>713375404
Yeah and said arc ends with the "good Separatists" ditching their cause and joining the Republic. God what a fucking retarded show.

>>713374961 (OP)
Never. Nuanse is like kryptonite to normalfags. They need their "black and white" world to function with their tinny little brains. For them the world is as easy as Me = good guy; Them = bad guy (nevermind the fact most normalfags are evil to the core).

>>713382014
It's the best Star Wars material of the last 3 decades.

>>713382785
That’s Andor.

>>713383579
Andor is kind of bad, mostly because of the second season.

>>713374961 (OP)
swotor

>>713374961 (OP)
Never. Even if you count the word 'hero' to partake a different, non-moral meaning, Count Dooku is still the only one to whom it applies in the Separatist side. And he will always be portrayed as generic evil man, specially with the retcons to his character that made him a racist (lmao???).
>>713375404
This ep fucking sucks for the purpose of what OP asked for. If anything it just confirms that there are no good people in the separatist side, only misguided rich folk and noblemen who don't understand they are on the evil side.
>>713382014
>God what a fucking retarded show.
It kinda is, yeah. I wonder how much of it had to be toned down for being a kids show or smth. It is still one of the best non-vidya media to come out of SW since the prequels tho

>>713384206
Not as much as you'd think considering it shows teenagers getting gunned down.

>>713374961 (OP)
You can get Tie-Fighter and install this mod.
https://youtu.be/FdAhIej1L3c?si=tPRQ5dyQxxoWNtQZ

>>713375873
>There is even a sith that figured out that you don't have to be a schizo goth kid with zero impulse control to have Sith powers, you just need a strong emotion.
>You can literally be a Sith that does shit with the power of friendship in theory.
who? I didnt play those games.

Nute Gu ray is fucking retarded for listening to Sidious after Episode I. As soon as big boy Sidious appeared on the counsel table hologram he should of noped the fuck out of there Why do these people even listen to him, what the fuck has he given them?

>>713377138
This is fucking retarded though, he is the leading Separatist figure, an organization mostly composed of aliens. And he uses his massive droid armies to kill an armies of humans. Dude was even trained by master Yoda. The fuck? Why is SW Legends/EU always like this?

>>713374961 (OP)
the classical term for heroes referred people who did great things
not necessarily good guys

>>713385205
>movie novelization is borderline incoherent and butchers the source material
WOW

>>713385265
The only novelization I ever read was the OG star wars one. It was okay. I will some day read the unofficial sequel but damn, I didn't know they had a reputation of being this stupid though

>>713385205
>he is the leading Separatist figure
Because he's Palpatine's apprentice you dolt. He's in on the entire plan to use the aliens to make a human run Empire out of the Republic. He's doing this crazy thing called "using them" to further his agenda.

>killing humans
He's a fucking Sith, he can easily justify murdering a few million humans to ensure human supremacy in the long run if he wants to. You think Palpatine, Vader or Tarkin gave a shit that Alderaan was a human planet when they killed billions on a whim despite the Empire only ever being shown to have humans working for it? Of course not.

>>713374961 (OP)
Swtor class stories are exactly this but the rest of the game is mediocre MMO shit

>>713375770
>asks for a deeper and more mature depiction of star wars
>NOOOOOOOO NOT LIKE THAT REDDIT JOOS WHITE GENOCIDE TRANNIES ARGHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>713385760
Was he also in on the part where Palpatine tells Anakin to chop off his head? Was Palpatine in on it when Dooku told Obi-wan that the Republic is sith-controlled -- implying Dooku would rather blow Palpatine the fuck out once the separatists won?
Did Dooku never question at which point the Republic winning would not mean he gets fucking annihilated like every separatist leader?
>You think Palpatine, Vader or Tarkin gave a shit that Alderaan was a human planet when they killed billions on a whim despite the Empire only ever being shown to have humans working for it
Well they don't have a specified discrimination against non-humans like Dooku has (no in the movies) it's more, subtle as you pointed out in the setence right next to that.

>>713386092
Filoni Wars was proto-Disney Wars.

>>713376817
the other side had an army of Jedi to ethnically cleanse all in the name of the "force" """""for the greater good*""""" whenever evil separatists refuse to bow to slavery any longer giving everything their planet has to leeches that gave nothing in return

Fuck em all fuck the jedi the sith THE REAL SITH not this rule of two faggotree are the true rulers and heros of star wars

>>713374961 (OP)
Hero is a morally neutral word, much like champion. Ancient Greek heroes were typically assholes, but they were stronk and important, thus heroes. Dooku and Grievous obviously qualify as Separatist heroes.

>>713382785
Wrong.
Good Star Wars content ended in 2007. Everything after is irredeemable slop.

>>713386296
And it is way, way better than the majority of Star Wars stuff.

>>713387610
Given that the "majority of Star Wars stuff" is now Disney produced, that inane statement is probably correct. Filoni Wars being the tallest midget still means that it sucks.

are we all in agreement that Grievous AKA Qymaen jai Sheelal both did nothing wrong during the Space Balkan Wars and didn't deserve to have his terrifying & genteel or brutally tragic characterizations from respectively Genndy Wars and his Star Wars: Visionaries origin comic reduced by Lucas to 'seething Jedia wannabe washout who wheezes a lot?'

>>713387708
Greivous was a tragic figure pre-Filoni/Disney wars.

>>713387697
It's better than half the movies prior to 2008.
Wouldn't put it up there with Empire but it's at least as good as ANH and better than all the other movies.

>>713377138
Most (non-humanoid) aliens in Star Wars do look and act like retarded cartoon characters so he has a point there.
Imagine if your space taxes went to a gungan welfare program.

>>713387708
I want to see Grievous in his prime. Genociding bugs with his loyal army before going home to a harem of wives.

>>713387905
You disgust me

>>713384318
Its not just about showing people killing children, people being slaved, cut up or murdered on screen with their dead bodies dropping like flies, its about trying to cover deeper, more complex themes or trying to find a resolution to a problem whose context isnt just "we have a bad and we have a good, how do the good suprass the bad" which TCW usually does too much stuff about, and just gives the Seps way too much shit to make them seem like a viable alternative to the Republic.

>>713374961 (OP)
desu, if we just look at the movies and none of the secondary material that misses the point, Dooku doesn't come off that poorly. He's clearly a parallel to Anakin. Idealists whose desire to do good is twisted by Palpatine. I find it very interesting we never see "Sith eyes" on Dooku in the same trilogy that introduced them as a consistent thing.

Dooku is calm, measured, collected. He never really shows the screaming hatred we see in all the other PT Sith, even Palpatine has mask off moments in ROTS where you can see his unbridled fury. Dooku shows some jeering satisfaction in his rematch with Anakin, and despair when he realizes his own impending death, but never that raw sith anger. In AotC, he tells Obi-Wan Palpatine's plan, he claims that if Kenobi joins him, they can destroy the sith. He seems earnest in missing Qui-Gon and spares the Jedi strike force when it does nothing to benefit him or Palpatine's plan.

We get little time with him, and not much about Dooku's true motives are told to us. So secondary material tends to vary wildly in how he is depicted. In my estimation, I think Dooku was just a fallen Jedi, one who believed he could beat the Sith at their own game. He was outplayed and died at the hands of his replacement, realizing his folly.

>>713391149
>In my estimation, I think Dooku was just a fallen Jedi, one who believed he could beat the Sith at their own game
This is confirmed in the novelizations

>>713390563
After thinking about it for a while I'll reverse my position: ANH is the best movie. Empire has the higher highs but I couldn't give less of a shit about Han and Leia's hijinks.

>>713387708
Grievous backstory is insane. He becomes this revered mythological figure, gets the girl for awhile but she died tragically and completely shitstomps the invaders. If it werent for them crying to the Republic and his horrific disfigurement he’d be like something out of a heroes journey fable.

>>713387572
Agreed, Lucasarts shat the bed completely after that.

>>713374961 (OP)
I can't wait until George dies. The prequels are legitimately the worst thing that ever happened to film.

>>713394414
You stuck in 2005 buddy?

>>713394573
I'm just better than you.

>>713394414
This is your brain on RLM memes.

>some throwaway line about how there are good people on both sides
>Star Warsfags, used to only black and white thinking, have a meltdown over this

>>713394414
If the Prequels are allegedly so bad, then why are they so good?

>>713394414
>>713394573
>>713394908
>>713395402

>>713395163
No I wanted to see grey areas in the war. I genuinely wanted a movie of Jedi commiting questionable or atrocious acts and Separatists who were looking out for their own people, disillusioned with The Republic or even have honor and mercy on the battlefield. Yeah it exists in the EU but that kinda media should be shown to an audience.

>>713395745
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SLt6T1jqLk
I might actually have to rewatch this show.

>>713375404
>TCW
I know the EU was a garbage fire with zero good novels or comics but this show is just laughably bad.

>>713395865
Yeah the Republic actually commits some pretty heinous war crimes in TCW. The issue is more that we never see a decent Separatist that doesn't immediately die or defect.

any SW game I should try besides kotor and both battlefronts?

>>713398070
I'd say skip both KotOR's.

>>713398070
SWTOR

>>713398070
Galactic battlegrounds + Empire at War if you like RTS. Dark Forces and Jedi Knight series is worth a play. Rogue Squadron, X-wing and tie fighter are really good too.

Ignore this fag >>713398337

>>713397301
The EU is literally the only part of Star Wars that is interesting.
The movies set up the universe but the story is just completely uneventful, plus there's not a single good action scene in the entire frsnchise.

The videogames have done a far bettef job with Star Wars, when it comes to world building, writing and even showcasing what Jedi can do.

>>713398505
KOTOR sucks bro. Bioware hasn't made a good game since BG2.

>>713398070
Force Unleashed and Jedi Survivor.

>>713377138
>>A new government clean, pure, direct: none of the messy scramble for the favor of ignorant rabble and subhuman creatures that made up the Republic he so despised. The government he would serve would be Authority personified.

Already failed. The Republic literally shat on a thousand shells of a planet with trillions. They didn't give a flying fuck about the rabble... CIS are no better than republic.

>>At war’s end the aliens would be crushed, stripped of all they possessed, and their systems and their wealth would be given into the hands of the only beings who could be trusted with them. >>Human beings.


You just described what the republic literally did in the movies and shows.

>>He would smash the Jedi Order to create it anew; not shackled by the corrupt, narcissistic, shabby little beings who called themselves politicians, but to bring true authority and true peace to a galaxy that so needed both.

Again... Palpatine did that for the Republic. And let's not forget the Galactic Republic was a continuation of The Republic and also dealt with the same people the CIS did.

Except also - they weren't corrupt. They did what they were supposed to do, just as CIS. You're literally just described the defeat of one system to install... the same exact system in it's place.

>>An Order that would not negotiate. Would not mediate.
Everyone negotiates when money is on the line. Everyone. It's literally the fundamental basis for all the evil shit going on in Star Wars.

>>713394414
are we gonna pretend the sequels don't exist?

>>713377138
Dooku is a sith lord, he's evil, he's not some complicated half-step, the separatists were just a falseflag to make the jedi hated and spread them thin to kill them off easier.

>>713398070
Republic commando, empire at war, KOTOR1/2, outcast, academy.

>>713378702
I can't really think of an example that isn't religious or political propaganda to be quite desu with you.

>>713401514
Based retard.

>>713394908
People always bring up RLM but never can show how they were wrong.

>>713374961 (OP)
there was a comic book about a hero separatist ace pilot who gets in a dogfight with anakin, and anakin concedes that he has every reason to hate him, and they fight to the death

>>713401970
>Space politics are boring, who cares?
>I don’t understand why anything is happening because I can’t pay attention to dialogue
>There’s CGI in this scene? BAD!
>The action choreography is TOO good!
>Why isn’t this exactly like the original trilogy?
Very insightful criticism.

>>713377298
It is, but the problem is the concept of Good vs Evil is fucking stupid. The terms are fundamentally grounded in relational moralism which is dumb. KOTOR also fucks that up too by assuming any one specific act is by nature good or bad. Like - stepping in to stop a robbery and potentially getting someone killed and revenge targeted is good because you've virtue signal'ed morality. But waiting for the robbers to complete their business so you can follow them and rob their hideout and help the people without alerting them - you didn't virtue signal and just helped someone, so that's EVUL according to KOTOR. There's no inbetween. To be a paragon of justice you must first symbolize your nature as justice incarnate and then mete out incompetent words and ineffectual change over real qualitative improvements systemically.

Star Wars is fundamentally and philosophically broke because there is no good and evil - just shit people like and don't like. And you can point to basically every single show or movie ever and show all the evil shit they do as good guy heroes, which they all do, and that fact will be proven correct.

ALL that matters is material conditions, not moralism. Did you functionally improve things for people. Congrats.
Likewise, death and killing is bad... but death penalties or torture for crimes is good... so... death and killing is good when you do "good killing". Likewise, not employing self-defense is good, unless it's a mook, then you can kill countless hordes of the poor hires. All that matters is the people in power never get removed and no actual change occurs.

>>713379362
The correct wars do. The incorrect wars do not.
Yoda much like Spock is generally wrong about almost everything he says and does. Which is pretty common thing for "wise" men in literature, because for them to be correct would be a problem selling the book and also make the story a lot shorter and less dramatic. Luke himself proves Yoda's way of attachments was superior to the Jedi code.

>>713402823
And they're right.

>>713403118
Nah. They’re just bitter Gen X’ers who failed at filmmaking.

>>713402969
>The correct wars do. The incorrect wars do not
?????

>>713381408
Trade Federation were separatists - in that they supported separatists from the beginning.

>>713383579
People rave about Andor but it's trash that has no idea what it's doing. The first season started off on a half-decent note and then rode off into a cluster fuck and then whole dumbass French planet as a trope which doesn't even recognize that France was down with the concept "empire" during WW2. It's problem was whose empire not empire and liberation. Nor were the french underground even fucking revolutionaries they were jerk offs, but so were the rebellion and that's confirmed by the inclusion of moth-ma... and you kind of have to because that's the end result - in the end, Mothma gets her way and fucks up all the revolutionary content of the rebellion for everyone to establish a third galactic Empipre called... The New Republic... and the old one was also neither democratic and was also a galactic empire as well when their actions examined.

Andor was basically angsty teen pretends to be revolutionary - when he's just a murderer for re-establishing senators into power again.
The closest thing to anyone even remotely good in Andor was fucking Saw, terrible actor - but he's always thrown under the bus too to the swerve trope where good points are made - but then stupid strawmen is done, then everyone forgets about the good points. Saw was the closest thing to understanding the Senate was garbage. No one else did. Even the "revolutionary" kid Nemik
>Freedom is a pure idea. It occurs spontaneously and without instruction.

That's from Nemik's manifesto. It's fundamentally incompatible with Freedom. Freedom is NOT spontaneous, it's a thing you need to maintain and work hard at and you need to be learned.

TonyG is an idiot who doesn't understand shit.

>>713404226
You have to forgive the modern Star Wars fans: they're either so beaten down by a string of bad shows/movies or grew up with this garbage that their standards are so low that if something isn't unbearable dogshit (Andor) it's considered good.

>>713383579
>>713404226
And to point out. Nemik's Manifesto in Andor is contradicted by real world understanding.

>The theory of worshipping spontaneity is decidedly opposed to giving the spontaneous movement a politically conscious, planned character. It is opposed to the Party marching at the head of the working class, to the Party raising the masses to the level of political consciousness, to the Party leading the movement; it is in favour of the politically conscious elements of the movement not hindering the movement from taking its own course; it is in favour of the Party only heeding the spontaneous movement and dragging at the tail of it. The theory of spontaneity is the theory of belittling the role of the conscious element in the movement, the ideology of "khvostism," the logical basis of all opportunism.

Which... the show, movie, video games... ALL constantly prove. The rebels fail. They also lose the new republic, and it was bad too. And they never solve their problem. BECAUSE, the writers themselves are spontaneous opportunists and like Andor, are the piimp of anti-revolutionary concepts under the rule of cool. "Here's a whooshy light-saber game/movie and some brain-rot, don't question it kiddo!"

Fundamentally, disorganization and spontaneity is the enemy the justice of the masses. Spontaneity is like saying - don't go to college, Math will just pop up to society, teaching is it is oppression! No. To be revolutionary, you need to understand the real world implications and philosophy of revolutionary and how these things interact. You can't just fucking wing it - because you'll always wing it to ideas of your enemies everyone was raised on. Harry potter-brain is not sufficient for complex political understanding of conditions and necessary action.

>>713404893
Also, Tony G himself literally says spontaneous pro-empire villains were not evil or villains because they were "complex"... and by that he means they were fundamentally raised by their environment and so aren't some "inherent evil", but again, the concept of good and evil is stupid. Syril and Dedra are irredeemable pieces of murderous oppressive shit. Because, that's what their spontaneous understanding of the world brought them - being raised by pro-empire stuff. Tony's position on Syril would mirror the argument that - Hitler was affected by his environment and did awful shit but had plausible reasons, so he wasn't actually bad.... which doesn't matter. He was bad for the world and for Germany and functionally worked to ruin the lives of people to put money in bank accounts of IG Farben. Syril is likewise a true-believer and decided to track to every slight against the empire's honor by the filthy poors.

Also, what's his face shooting himself in his office is completely out of character. The entire leadership of the republic would never think so little of themselves to off themselves unless under direct duress in the moment. They're by definition a coalition of narcissists.

you know nu wars isn't doing so good when even seething corpotankies don't like it

>>713374961 (OP)
>not knowing about how Lucas used language from the Golden Age of Hollywood and Shakespearean writing.

The CiS were completely unsympathetic in the pre-filioni cwmmp. The ones in windu's home world wanted the "right" to basically exploit the planet and genocide windu's people, most of the CIS leadership being spineless cowards that followed Sidious out of greed and personal gain, and then imperial soldiers (in the Dark Time comics) that were formerly CIS that murdered newcomers. It's why you shouldn't feel bad that Grevious was killing Neimoidians left and right and wanted to gut the leadership.

I think the ones in Jabim were actually right and later the pro-republic faction that had to stay realized how the Republic was really corrupt.

>>713387610
All the clone wars content that came before it mogs it. Hard.

>>713405968
>All the clone wars content
No, I'm actually glad that the CGI clone wars spits in the face of the Karen Traviss novels, she wrote some of the worst garbage for Star Wars and its' clear she has a hateboner for the setting outside of her Mandalorian fetish.

>>713405968
I like Genndy Wars as much as the next guy but there's enough good Clone Wars stuff to outnumber it by a factor of 20:1.

>>713405968

>>713406126
You're wrong, but you're allowed to be wrong.

>>713406162
There was much more than the 2003 series.

>>713406126
Her Mandalorians are far preferable to Filoni's pussies.

>>713406172
Still one of the best duels in all of Star Wars. Oozes kino.
Literally nothing in TCW can compete with it.

>>713377298
And yet both sides always seem evil
The Republic is corrupt and The New Republic is maliciously incompetent. There's the obvious bad guys like the Separatists and Empire but the "good guys" aren't much of a choice either.
Much like real life I guess

>>713406224
>>713406284
I could forgive her contributions to the series if the mandalorian and clone romance sloppa was all the did but her killing off Mara Jade by making her act out of character because she literally didn't know that Mara Jade was meant to be an important character. Makes me glad that Filoni got the chance to take a diarrhea dump on her retarded vision for the Clones after she took a dump on Timothy Zahn's contributions to the series. Doesn't excuse Filoni butchering Thrawn thoughever

>>713386092
Nothing about TCW is deep or mature lmao

>>713387708
>>713374961 (OP)
Qymaen is my FUARKING hero.
FUCK the Huk, FUCK the Republic and FUCK the Jedi.

>>713381305
>Thinking anyone, even people who've read and digested the entire lore bible see anything beyond
>Seperatists=confederate states of america

Have they done a character who is a former Separatist turned Rebel yet? Seems like an idea they could go places with. Guy who's a cocky asshole, because he *always* hate the government and got vindicated, and gets into punch ups with Jedi and former Republicans about it.

>>713406569
The EU ended with The Unifying Force.

>>713403668
Correct wars are the ones I win.

>>713406872
Yes, the Nosaurians from the Dark Times comics, they helped and sheltered Dass Jennir in exchange that he would lead them. And I guess Cash Garrulan for helping out Roan Shryne, but given he was former Black Sun, he might as well be an enemy to Vader (given his whole beef with Xizor).

>>713406569
How she wrote Etain and her entire Order 66 reaction is pretty dumb too.