Thread 713384359

How do we get zoomers to appreciate older games?

>>713384359 (OP)
We already do, who in the right mind even likes modern shit?

>>713384359 (OP)
Recommend good games instead of PS1 garbage

Little bastards can't even use kb+m, how can you expect them to appreciate Starcraft

name one thing wrong with saying that or youre old as fuck

I love old games. Going to play Echo Night next.
t. 1998 zoomer

>>713384359 (OP)
Have Sseth make a video about it

>>713384359 (OP)
Stop shitting on people for wanting and enjoying remasters. It's absurd to expect someone to go hunt down overpriced 2nd hand consoles, games and CRTs just to experience the game as you did as a snot nosed kid with no standards. Pick your victories.

Every latter generation has an easier time appreciating musics from the past than other mediums.

FACT

>>713384651
>stop stop stop stop

>>713384359 (OP)
this is how i felt replaying dragon age origins despite loving the game the first time i played it.

>>713384513
>meanwhile every esport is most popular on PC
So do you shit on zoomers for playing esports, or can they not use mkb? Pick one or shut up you fat bald bastard.

>>713384359 (OP)
need to add a press [x] to awesome button

>>713384546
Just experiment, anyone with half a brain should know that a game you've never played before is going to feel weird at first since you're not used to the control scheme.

>>713384359 (OP)
add external gacha mechanics
with something akin to retroachievements

>>713384660
That's because we have to deal with sifting through the endless tides of shit today when people in the future just have to look up "Best x from the XXs" and instantly get a list of everything that was successful. That also means that there were no good ol days, you just remember everything worth remembering.

>>713384660
new albums/singles suck so we dont really have a choice

>>713384359 (OP)
We do.
The oldest game I've beaten is Kirby's Adventure for the NES.

>>713384359 (OP)
I've been appreciating them just fine it's just my generation is filled with broccoli headed wanna be niggers in real life and helicoptergendered discord grooming victim ultra puritans with a twitter account on the internet
we are beyond saving

>>713384359 (OP)
>How do we get zoomers to appreciate older games?
You don't. The chill ones that can properly appreciate them on their own merits are already seeking out retro games. Nothing good comes from anything getting widespread zoomer attention.

Not a zoomer but I've tried playing DOS games and they are too clunky for me

games are tech. there generally isnt a trend where old technology is better. tech advances and gets better, cars advance and get better, airplanes advance and get better, videogames advance and get better.

its mostly just rose tinted goggles. you are more than likely think positively of things you interacted during your developing years because you were experiencing it for the first time.

>>713386328
>games are tech. there generally isnt a trend where old technology is better.
There is however a trend of lack of technology requiring talent and ingenuity, which improves a game far better than "more polygons and raytracing!"

>>713384359 (OP)
you don't for the most part, as >>713386328 said, games get better, truth be told, a lot of people used to really enjoy older games because they didn't have anything better, now that we are used with modern game design features, those older things can seem outdated
note how there are some older games that are "atemporal" or "timeless"
note how people would have a lot of trouble playing something like goldeneye 007 but wouldn't have much trouble playing something like cs 1.6
half life 2 is only 2 years younger than morrowind but people have no problems playing half life 2 either

so saying that a game is clunky is now really a invalid complaint in this context, the best you can do is ignore them or make mods that make gameplay a little less "outdated", several old as fuck games already have sort of things

>>713384359 (OP)
mod them to be less clunky

>>713389090
hey! i just said that!

>>713385831
How old? I find the early 1990s games to be super clunky, but the late 1990s games to be fairly comfy.
You can even see the difference with a lot of games from that time. X-Wing is much clunkier than TIE Fighter, Arena is much clunkier than Daggerfall, and Warcraft I is much clunkier than Warcraft II.

>>713384359 (OP)
Just make better older games in the past.

Having them actually play them I guess, if they even like videogames. Old games are timeless, their age has never been an issue for me, but I also like them as a time capsule. I'm a zoomer, my favorite games are older.

>>713384359 (OP)
you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink
pearls before swine, etc.
retards who get wooed by muh graffix deserve the shitty moviegames they choose

>>713384359 (OP)
>play old games
X
>play indie games with the style of old games
O

>>713384651
it's a good thing emulation and piracy are piss easy

>>713384359 (OP)
PC ports.

>>713384359 (OP)
but old games are hard and require me to, like focus which I just can't do even on ritalin

I can't even get past the first stage of super mario galaxy 2 to name ike a really old game

>>713384359 (OP)
It's the alphas you have to worry about. Zoomers grew up with millennial siblings who showed them all the games. Alpha only knows Roblox and Mobileslop

>>713384660
Music and movies have almost no barrier to entry. There's rare exceptions but you can get a copy of basically any album or film that will play on your modern device. Games either require expensive old hardware or jumping through technical hoops to get old games to run on modern systems. If music was as big of a hassle people would ignore that shit too.

>>713392089
NTA but I genuinely never figured out where to pirate video games in my 40 years of life. Movies? Definitely. Music? For sure. Games? I have no fuckin idea

>>713384359 (OP)
I'm a zoom zoom who grew up with a hand-me-down 64 and I never liked Mario 64 then and I still don't like it now
It is in fact too clunky

>>713392374
>never figured out where to pirate video games
How Is that possible you could find out searching for Reddit threads in 5 minutes of reading

>>713392603
>reddit
No thanks

>>713392089
Zoomers do not know how to emulate or pirate. They don't even know what a system folder is.

>>713392728
I'm playing my childhood games like Kirby's Epic Yarn on computer RIGHT NOW albeit

>>713384359 (OP)
Fans of MH Wild in a nutshell. I hate them so much it’s unreal.

To be honest, something like Dark Cloud definitely shows its "age"

Talk about video games. Stop shitposting everything to oblivion and stop replying to people shitposting about what you're chatting about. Especially so to people that make their shitpost list and post it in every thread talking about the game. Just talk vidya, let sulfur appreciation show and that'll catch the interest of people looking for something a little different.

>>713384359 (OP)
Old games had there time to shine, and they did. No one needs to keep playing them just because you can’t let them go and move on. How do we get retro gamers to give new games a chance instead?
>you have to pay for upgrading their 2010 dell laptop
I guess its hopeless.

>>713384359 (OP)
rerelease them with tighter controls
>but muh easy mode
so make it an option, boo hoo

Trying to go back to DS1 always takes me a minute after playing Elden Ring for so long.

>>713384651
Emulation exists for a reason retard. Don’t give companies money for shit the you can just get for free.

>>713384359 (OP)
I started playing quake recently (quakespasm) and its pretty good. Although some of the secrets are bullshit

Remakes

>>713384651
superior oblivion is available for 5 bucks. plenty of old console games like MGS are on PC too

>>713384359 (OP)
Remaster them with less clunkiness.

>>713386328
I do agree.

People treat games as art. They are not. They are tech.

>>713395927
In that case why do they keep remastering and remaking those old games instead of making new ones?

>>713384513
Why would you want people to appreciate a shitty WH knock off Warcraft clone with awful graphical design and bad game-play full of try-hards who click the ground to do nothing a lot for epeen measuring?
Starcraft was loser shit.

>>713384359 (OP)
Accept some games have not aged well and might be better off as a showcase of what to do and what not to do

>>713384359 (OP)
Remake with yellow paint

>>713384434
go to gas station
buy deck of cards
play solitaire

>>713384651
Kill yourself communist demake troon.

>>713384359 (OP)
Don't recommend me clunky shit on purpose and try to spin their clunkiness as intentional and SOVLFUL.
I can like old games no problem. They do need to be good though.
Loved Super Mario World and SMB3. Disliked
Kirby's Dream Land.
Loved Pokemon Emerald. Hated Pokemon R/B/G.
Liked Crash. Disliked Mario 64.
Liked Grim Fandango. Disabled tank controls as soon as I had the chance.

>>713384359 (OP)
I tried playing the original deus ex game, christ that game is hot boomer garbage.

Zoomer here, I just beat Castlevania Circle of the Moon. The game was really fun up until I reached Dracula. He's so difficult, that I was only able to beat him due to looking up what enemies drop the best cards. Sorry, /v/.

>>713397796
the rage bait.... its working on me... AAARRGRRRGHHH

>>713384420
You forget OP doesn't play video games in the first place

>>713384359 (OP)
quake still has the slickest fps action there is

>>713395927
I'll start playing modern games when they stop making them shit

>>713384359 (OP)
Zoomer here, just replayed Quake.
ask me anything

>>713386328
>games are tech. there generally isnt a trend where old technology is better. tech advances and gets better,
Trespasser in 1998 had every item be a pick-up-able physics item that can be thrown, swung at enemies, punted, etc.
Avowed doesn't even have NPC's that move around, lol, lmao.

>>713384359 (OP)
That's what remakes are for.

Why haven't you played Hexen yet?

>>713384359 (OP)
>How do we get zoomers to appreciate older games?
Same way "we" get boomers to appreciate new games?

>>713401407
So basically, we don't. Got yah.

>>713384359 (OP)
by showing them GOOD older games, not every old game.

>>713387830
Yes, but that brings us back to the clunkiness aspect. We were able to put up with it because it was the best that we had at the time and it was what we knew, it was intuitive to us. Zoomers are used to games that play like 10x as smooth as old games as far as things like movement and switching items/weapons, navigating UIs, etc. Zoomers wouldn't be able to finish a level of an old rainbow six or socom game before quitting due to how clunky they are compared to modern shooters.

>>713384359 (OP)
Make emulation more accessible?

Resident Evil 4 Remake is 100% more "clunky" than the original with all the wobbly shit aiming and movement.

>>713402376
It's already free and installs with the click of a button.
What happened that everyone became retarded here all of a sudden? Now there's people claiming the NES was never good. I swear this is all just a bunch of pathetic resellers trying to push prices down.

>>713400215
You people are such npcs, it's genuinely sad.

>>713402706
>states objective fact
>y-You goyim are NPC's!
How does it feel to be outcompeted by a 1998 failure of a game, kike?

>>713384359 (OP)
>How do we get zoomers to appreciate older games?
strap them to a chair and make them play dodonpachi daioujou

>>713402706
Just writes words to make another post.

>>713384359 (OP)
How do we get you to stop being a zoomer pretending to be an old man and actually move on to newer things? I'm not thinking about things I played 20 years ago, hate to break it to you. (You) are the zoomer who is playing these things for the first time.

how can we get uncs to appreciate newer games? ITS NOT MY FAULT YOU DIED 20 TIMES TO ME WAGIE!

>>713386328
Stories and characters are a factor though. And gameplay wise, it might be that a certain type of game just doesn't get made anymore. Like for example, mecha games. You got Armored Core 6 but before that, if you wanted a game like that you'd have to play the old ones.
And sometimes another thing is gameplay elements. Victoria II and III have a lot of missing things from one to the other. If you prefer II you're "stuck"

>>713386328
The tech is getting better but the actual interactivity within games is not.

>see cool looking retro indie game
>reviews are mixed
>check them
>half are positive because its like an updated version of an old series thats not made anymore
>other half shitting on it because its too retro even though the game advertised itself as retro
The funny part of this is a good chunk of the negative reviews I see on these games are given for free by the dev so they could shit on the game. Makes me wonder if they just lied about liking that style of game or if the devs are that retarded to just hand out review keys to spiteful zoomers.

>>713403180
>The tech is getting better
Hardly anyone makes their own game engines now. That's not getting better. You don't understand what "tech" in game development is.

>>713397635
RBG is worth it for the artistry. How they did music and sprites. Otherwise just play FrLg

>>713403283
I was talking about hardware when I said tech, not game engines. But that's another huge problem too. Everyone just uses Unreal or Unity now, so all games are made in the same engine. They all control exactly the same too... gaming has very little experimentation and uniqueness within it today.

>>713384359 (OP)
Zoomers are the ones setting speedrun and high score records in older games. See NES Tetris and Mario 1.

>>713403283
Johnathon Blow had one of his autistic rants about this

Just making your own engine display properly at the moment is a huge amount of work
Direct X, Open GL, Vulkan, Vsync, Gsync, FreeSync, HDR, 15+ years of GPU architecture thats expected to be supported

The tech is "better" but its a mile wide and an inch deep

>>713386328
the question is which parts are "software" and which are "art", what exactly are objective and subjective criteria?
limitations spur creative process, and so the objective technical limitation of terrible draw distance turns into subjective artisitry of a foggy town
there is also "clunkiness" that comes from particular designs, fixed jump arcs in classicvania or tank controls in resident evil, which require a particular mindset to appreciate period
no amount of BUT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE THAT can rectify the visceral hatred of the basic movement system

Make something new that looks old.

Just give them ps2/gc era shit or something
Games found their footing with controls and cameras by that point and are largely indistinguishable from modern controls
t. '99 zoomie

>>713403709
It's crazy. The face of Tetris right now is a 15 year old and he has a documentary coming out. Yet zero threads were made when CTWC 2025 was going on.

>>713403936
literally everyone in contention of winning ctwc since 2019 is a zoomer
no one mentions it because /v/ is full of salty as fuck boomers who got filtered and it ruins their narrative

>>713403678
>hardware when I said tech, not game engines
There's less of a difference between the two than you think. I agree with everything else you wrote. 100% actually.

Whats a zoomer?

>>713404378
buzzword for people who thought "boomer vs zoomer" template was an insightful commentary on the conflict between generations, and not a version of "virgin vs chad"
doesn't work not only because that very idea of boomer/x/millenial generations is retarded, but because zoomers are now grown up
it's time to return to "underage" as the go-to insult for literal children

>>713404687
You're not wrong. Also the current generation being called Beta isn't fair to those kids. The practice of naming generations needs to stop.

>>713384359 (OP)
>tfw trying to play kotor for the first time after playing baldurs gate 3
it's different if you haven't played a game in the genre before but trying to go back to an older game before the concept of the genre was even realized is rough. kotor's combat is a fucking tragedy because i've heard a lot of good about the story, but i'm not gonna sit through another ff12 auto attack simulator trying to be dnd

even my favorite game of all time, final fantasy crystal chronicles, has a thick layer of clunk on it
>random input delay but ONLY on normal attacks, this remains in the remaster
>can't craft the best weapons unless you chose the blacksmith family tree or spend 20 in game years leveling another character for it
>can't craft the best accessories unless you chose the tailor family tree or spend 20 in game years leveling another character for it
>the other 6 family trees DO NOT HAVE A USE
>no indication of how to level a family tree
>no indication of how loot tables work unless you bought the guide
>the original had items and stat increasing artifacts you couldn't get unless your point threshold was above a certain point. the only way to get your points high enough for some of the better ones is via a bonus objective which you CANNOT SEE IN THE ORIGINAL UNLESS YOU PLUG IN A GAMEBOY AS A CONTROLLER
>cant do multiplayer in the original without multiple gameboys
>cant do multiplayer in the remaster without multiple consoles, and multiple online service fees
>remaster multiplayer is in dungeon only, your party members dont get story progress and aren't in cutscenes with you

i love the game to death but yes, older games have a lot of unnecessary clunkiness

>>713403418
You know, for however many fucking EDF games that got fucking churned out I'm pretty fucking pissed Sandlot never made another Robot Alchemic Drive.

>>713386328
newer video games no longer used dumb cheesy buttrock soundtrack anymore
saving everywhere is nice but can kill tension because you know you can reload anytime anywhere
dungeon design used to be more complex because assets were cheaper and easier to make

>the clunkiness in question
>straight up not enjoyable controls
>retarded game design

>>713404803
>concept of the genre was even realized
No, anon, KotoR was an advancement, if you can believe that. It's not trying to be DnD, it is straight up using the D20 system. But time makes fools of us all.
The game was made in the interim era of Bioware pivoting from CRPGs (original BG games) to WRPG (Mass Effect and Dragon Age). That's how you get over-the-shoulder RTWP pseudo-turn-based combat.

>>713404803
>trying to be dnd
it was actually D&D, WotC was licensing the 3rd edition D&D ruleset out as the "d20 System" and both KotOR and the tabletop Star Wars Roleplaying Game were built on it.

>>713403595
>How they did music and sprites
I can do that by looking at the sprites and listening to the songs online. Without having to subject myself to that slog of a game.
>FrLg
Did. Those are great.

>>713384359 (OP)
Don't recommend them kusoge that don't respect the player's time.

>>713406405
>>713406317
either way it still feels like shit compared to modern games

>>713407825
if you understand it as a tabletop sim and have played tabletop before it isn't bad. just be glad it wasn't THac0

>>713385831
Honestly I tried playing the civ4 version colonization and it felt like shit to control compared to the dos version so I think it depends on the game.

>>713384434
My list of not-clunky good games that still hold up cutting off at 6th Gen

Atari
2600
>Pac Man
>Space Invaders
>Asteroids
>Dig Dug
>Donkey Kong
>Defender
>Breakout
Nintendo
NES
>Donkey Kong
>Super Mario Bros
>Super Mario Bros 3
>Duck Hunt
>The Legend of Zelda
>Gauntlet 2
>Mega Man series
>Tetris
>Contra
>Galaga
>Tecmo Bowl
SNES
>Super Mario All Stars
>Super Castlevania IV
>The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
>Donkey Kong Country series
>Mega Man 7
>Mega Man X series
>F-Zero
>Super Bomberman
>Super Metroid
>Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Turtles in Time
>Kirby Super Star
>Zombies Ate My Neighbors
>Super Baseball 2020
>Street Fighter II: The New Challengers
>Disney's Aladdin
N64
>Super Mario 64
>Perfect Dark 64
>The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time / Majora's Mask
>Super Smash Brothers
>Mariokart 64
>Paper Mario
>Banjo Kazooie
>Donkey Kong 64
>Diddy Kong Racing
>Conker's Bad Fur Day
>Pokemon Stadium w/ transfer pak
>NFL Blitz 2000
>DOOM 64
>Turok 2: Seeds of Evil
>Killer Instinct Gold
>Mortal Kombat Trilogy
>STAR WARS: Rogue Squadron
>F-Zero X
>Mario Golf
>Gauntlet Legends
>Vigilante 8
>WcW/NWO: Revenge
>Spider-Man series (no cutscenes but better graphics/smoother animation than PSX version)
Gamecube
>Super Mario Sunshine
>The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
>Super Smash Bros. Melee
>F-Zero GX
>Soul Calibur II
>STAR WARS: Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader
>Viewtiful Joe series
>Resident Evil REmake
>Resident Evil 4
>Metroid Prime series
>Mariokart Double Dash
>Pikmin Series
>Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem
>Pikmin Series
>Paper Mario: 1,000 Year Door
>Luigi's Mansion
>Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance
>Ultimate Spider-Man
Sega never had one so won't comment on it much
Master System
>fuck if I know
Genesis
>Sonic 2
>Streets of Rage
>Gunstar Heroes
>Golden Axe
>Earthworm Jim 2
Saturn
>Virtua Fighter 2
>X-Men Vs Street Fighter
Dreamcast
>Marvel Vs Capcom 2
>Crazy Taxi
>Ikaruga (also on Gamecube)

>>713410645
continued

Sony Playstation
Playstation (PSX)
>Metal Gear Solid
>Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2
>Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
>Final Fantasy Tactics
>Resident Evil series (sans Survivor)
>Mega Man Legends
>Crash Bandicoot series
>Tomb Raider II
>Street Fighter Alpha 3
>Driver 2
>Dino Crisis series
>Mega Man X series
PS2
>GTA series
>Okami
>Tony Hawk's Underground
>Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
>Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
>Shadow of the Colossus
>Katamari Damacy & We Love Katamari
>God of War & God of War II
>Burnout 3: Takedown
>Guitar Hero series
>The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers / Return of the King
>Soul Calibur II
>Devil May Cry & Devil May Cry 3
>Resident Evil 4
>Prince of Persia series (also on GC and Xbox)
>Spider-Man 2(the movie the game)
>Red Faction
>Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance II
>Bully
>Onimusha 3: Demon Siege
>The Warriors
Xbox
>Halo: Combat Evolved
>Halo 2
>Tom Clancy's: Rainbow Six 3
>Tom Clancy's: Splinter Cell Trilogy
>Ninja Gaiden Black
>Half-Life 2
>STAR WARS: Knights of the Old Republid & KotOR II: The Sith Lords
>STAR WARS: Battlefront & Battlefront II
>STAR WARS: Republic Commando
>Jade Empire
>Psychonauts
>Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind GotY Edition
>Time Splitters 2
>Unreal Championship 2
>Fable: The Lost Chapters
>Max Payne series

do female zoomers play retro games

>>713384359 (OP)
just tell them what you liked to play. maybe they are clunky, doesnt matter, dark souls is one of the clunkiest games ive ever seen and they love that series.

>>713410645
Nigga really opened up with Pac Man on the 2600

>>713410753
female zoomers play with balding millennial penises

>>713411029
what was the first good port of pac man for home consoles?

>>713410645
>Atari 2600
>Shitty Arcade ports
You could've added Yar's Revenge or pitfall.

>>713411354
River Raid and Enduro are also great.

>>713386328
>>713396973
retards. technology isn't something you can just decide its definition to discount video games as art. tech by its very definition is the scientific advancement for applicable purposes. like a computer to compute equations to build a rocket, or even a hammer made to build a house. Video games are not made to be applied to solve a problem or have real world practical applications, similar to music, or a story, they are art. They were clunky back then because the TECH that ran them sucked, and now it doesn't. Now go ahead and bitch about it

>>713411305
1982 On cartridge for the Atari 8-bit home computers.