Name a vidya character who suffered more than Guts

me.
OP BTFO.
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guts is a mary sue.
tranime geralt, if you will, only edgier to appeal to a teen audience.
piling on quirks to mask a bland character will never work on those of us with taste.

>>713388686 (OP)
any female protag anon

>>713388809
>tranime
stopped reading here

>>713388809
edgy is my main problem with it. Just seems like traumaporn.

>>713388686 (OP)
https://youtu.be/EHPxlJgsfzs

>>713388809
my only problem with berserk is that I really wish it ended at the end of golden arc. everything else felt completely fucking unnecessary and the author basically wrote himself into a corner.

>>713388809
>guts is a mary sue.
Guts turned Mary Sue into a fucking bitch. Her resistance only makes the sword rougher.

>>713388686 (OP)
A few years ago /v/ made a chart about this topic.
Some placements are debatable but it's a decent reference.

>>713388809
you don't know what mary sue means

>>713389081
Literally no one asked you.

Name a more overrated series than Berserk.

>>713389120
damn bro that's so edgy

>>713388686 (OP)

Okabe Rintarou and Raziel both have suffered more than Guts.

>>713388686 (OP)
Okabe suffered more than your lame edgelord.

>>713388809
Counter points: 1. the berserker armor was cool was I was 13 and it’s still cool to me now
2. Swinging a fuck off sized sword was cool when I was 13 and still cool to me now

>>713388686 (OP)

>>713389220
Why is edgy inherently bad now, I keep seeing this.

>>713388686 (OP)
Fei Fong Wong. So much trauma that the alternate personality his mind created to deal with it created it's own alternate personality lmfao

>>713389198
>"no one asked" argument
>in a fucking mongolian horse archery forum of all places

>>713389437
its a low brow and shallow way to appeal to teens rather than writing an actually interesting character or plot. it's the same as cramming romance in every story to appeal to women. when you grow up you realize that it's just style over substance.

>>713389437
it's not, zoomers are just allergic to anything that isn't post-post-post-post-post-doublepost-post-ironic

>>713388809
excuse you, berserk is a MANga and should always be read

>>713389143
>Sephiroth is less evil than Eddie from Silent Hill 2

>>713389440
And i ask you
Can we ease the pain for those who lost?

>>713389143
interesting.... shit where is he on here?
this is a very detailed chart

>>713389427
I dunno, their suffering seems a lot more bearable when they literally have videogame logic of being able to respawn and just chill somewhere.
Granted it's boring, but whatever, the worst case scenario is their mind rots and just become a fleshy skeletal waiting to be slain.

>>713389461
It's not an argument.
No one asked you.

>>713389541
>its a low brow and shallow way to appeal to teens
Anon, berserk is for adults. It's been publish in porn magazines since it's inception.

Man, Berserk threads went to shit after zoomers discovered it

>>713390029
yes anon, it's rated m therefore mature right? just like mortal kombat. except when you grow up you realize the excessive edginess and gore in mk is just "extreme" for the sake of being extreme, and otherwise just shallow. same as berserk. yes berserk is for teens.

Brad Armstrong

>>713390171
I'm 40, I don't need any of that garbage you're trying to spew.
You think everything has to be lord of the rings in order to be enjoyed?
Shut your goofy ass up.

>>713389387
whats cool is how guts flips around like hes actually crazy. no game lets you do that.

>>713388979
This

>>713390241
>n-noooo stop making me insecure in my taste shut up shut up shut up!!!
uhhh no. learn to ignore opinions that upset you, or live with them. they aren't going away no matter how much you cry.

>>713388686 (OP)
Dracula from Castlevania.

>>713388686 (OP)
ez

>>713389143
>Yukari Takeba that high on the deserve to suffer spot
kek. She's literally just a teenage girl who is pissed over her dad dying and having a giga corporation covering it up.
Very interesting chart however, will be fun to shitpost with.

>>713390397
Mathias deserved it

>>713389143
Would like to see a remake of this
I'm sure there are some characters we can include.

>>713390380
You're just saying a bunch of "highly mature and intelligent" talking points that mean absolutely nothing to anyone else
You're still a loser no matter how superior you want to act kid. I can prove it right now.
There is NO POINT in you stating your opinion in this thread when OP asked a question about video game characters.
YOU then decide to ignore that and go on some unwanted autistic rant about your critque about the series itself.
That wasn't the point. You insufferable obnoxious piece of shit.

>>713389948
fucking kek
the mindset of the average shitserk apologist

>>713389143
Was the nameless one really that bad?

>>713390241
>claims to be 40
>"bruh shutcho goofy ahh up fr"
do you expect anyone to believe you, faggot? fuck off

>>713390623
Your talking points are pointless. What's the grand plan here genius? Trying to convince people to stop liking what you don't?

>>713390684
You gave literally no actual rebuttal. You made literally no point besides "nu uh". Like a damn child. How ironic.

>>713390549
if you were 40 you would have learned long ago that getting caught up in your emotions over somebodies opinion on the media you wrote is pointless. though it does make sense that a 40 year old who enjoys berserk would still have the mentality of a child.

>>713390269
While not the best game, I was surprised how much fun I had with the musou game. Playing through all the big story beats and just mowing down fucker after fucker with guts was sweet.

>>713390786
What do mature people enjoy anon?
I can't wait to see your reply.

>>713390687
>give my opinion on berserk
>anon starts screeching "AIIIE YOU CAN'T CONVINCE ME" completely unprompted
if anything, you are trying to convince yourself you were not convinced.
and that's my last (You) for you today. now fuck off and suck a nigger dick, faggot.

>>713390850
Your whole reply is hypocrisy.
NO ONE ASKED ABOUT YOUR OPINION ABOUT BERSERK. Literally no one.
OP asked about characters in video games and then you derailed it because you have the social skills of someone with autism.

>>713390808
that berserk game on ps2 is also really fun to play
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhV2BDUqYYE

>>713390834
mature people enjoy whatever they like without crying when somebody disagrees. you on the other hand just had a meltie over a mild criticism. you aren't 40 and if you are then you are an insecure manchild.

>>713388686 (OP)
Me aa a destiny player

>>713391002
I noticed you didn't list specific things mature people apparently enjoy.

Berserk fans kind of embarrassing themselves itt desu

@713390923
you are such a fucking loser anon holy shit, do you really need someone to ask you of your opinion in a board where we get completely off topic racebait and politics threads ? just post whatever the fuck you want and stop whining so goddamn much, you bitch and moan worse than ten widows.

>>713389143
>Brad deserving to suffer more than Buzzo
wat

>>713391101
>Got so blasted he wanted to be petty to try and get the last word.
Holy shit, you're pathetic.

>>713388916

>>713389427
>Fromshit
Lmao

@713391185
sure anon. I wouldn't bother replying any longer if I were you, though. I'm not handing out any more (You)s for faggots tonight.

>>713391306
Oh no, I'm so heartbroken the social retard can't reply to me anymore about his dumb ass ideology about what is considered mature or not when he's probably a fucking loser 20 something year old irl.

@713391394
HAHAHA
did you have this entire argument with me because you thought I was this anon?
>>713388809
holy fuck, lmao. that explains the completely unprompted spergout.
have a good day, anon

>>713390996
I actually have it saved on my computer. Remember downloading I think the Dreamcast version and thought the controls were pretty clunky but could see it just needing practice for timings. Totally forgot about it though I may boot it up again tonight.

>>713391497
No, your replies are basically the same uppity bullshit.

@713391542
sure, anon. try to save face now that you've been outed to be a fucking idiot.

>>713391668
And I've outed you as a fucking liar.
Example 1 >>713391306
> I'm not handing out any more (You)s for faggots tonight
Yet you still are.
Example 2 >>713391497
>did you have this entire argument with me because you thought I was this anon?
You didn't read what I have said.
Example 3 >>713391668
>you've been outed to be a fucking idiot.
This is the same person who told me goodbye basically 3 times now and still won't shut the fuck up.

>>713389143
>100 Suffering
>80 Deserve
Sounds about right, but you could probably argue that deserve could be higher.

>>713391876
sorry, anon. can't help it, your stupidity is too entertaining.
>yet you still are.
lurk moar

>>713388686 (OP)
Basically anyone who's had to deal with more than 1 lifetime worth of bullshit.

>>713391993
Why so I can end up like a loser like you?

>>713392218
>admits to being a newfag in an unprompted blind rage
holy shit kek
come on, anon
seriously, you need to stop before you confess anything else

>>713392307
Imagine being prideful you live on the internet.
That's pathetic.

>>713389143
>ridley

@713392387
sure, anon. reddit may be more up your alley if you don't like oldfags and board culture.
yknow what's more pathetic, though? having a meltdown over someone simply saying that he didn't like berserk past golden arc. this is how you sound as you tell me my opinion was not needed, in an imageboard of all places kek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XatCv5jfcYU

>>713392623
>if you don't like oldfags and board culture.
What a weird way of admitting you're a loser.

Guts is so tragic because his bitch got raped and killed by his friend? you understand shit like this happens weekly in real life and is nothing special?

And beyond that what is guts' personally even? Does he have any hobbies? Favorite food? What the fuck is known about this faggot other than "he is hurting inside"?

>>713389541
Ok but why is that bad. All flash and no substance done well circles around from teenage angst with no hook, to just straighforward entertainment that knows what it is, where it uses the brooding edgy content to establish brutality and the struggle against it.

A big muscle man that wears cool armour and wields a big sword fighting monsters atop the corpses of hundreds of dead men is just cool anon. No its not substantive, its just entertaining and cool. I would take edgy media over quirky media, its the difference between a character spitting one liners after killing something and a character just shown to be wearing their blood and mugging the viewer.

>>713388686 (OP)
Reedemer and destroyer. Pawn and messiah.

@713392893
oh for fuck's sake, anon. if you hate this website, why are you here? what kind of fucked up stockholm syndrome relationship do you have with it that you hate everything about its culture but you still lurk in it and fight its users ?
you are just a failed normalfag who's not sterile enough for reddit but don't fit here either.

>>713388686 (OP)
The beautiful and valid heroine of Terfenstein 3D.

>>713392964
>you understand shit like this happens weekly in real life and is nothing special?
You have had your crush get raped infront of you, your only friends and people you thought as a family slaughtered before you and your bestie is responsible for both of those things all while creatures of pure horror a mortal rarely sees in hoards, lose your arm, your eye and your sanity....
....That happens to people on a daily basis?

>>713392964
In all fairness if I remember right that him having no personality or goals outside of “kill man infront of me” was something he realized himself and was why he decided to leave the hawks/griffith to do some self searching and think for himself for the first time. then the eclipse happened. That doesn’t excuse him being a pretty mindless character for a lot of the story, but it’s still an action focused comic book about a dude with big sword fighting bad guys so it suits it’s needs

>>713393130
>He's still going on about how he thinks he's cool because he lives on a website terminally for mostly autistic weirdos and undesirable degenerates.
That's like bragging you went to prison and think a sane person of soicety should be applauding you or something. You're fucked in the head.

>>713388686 (OP)

>>713393374
Ever wonder why people are so angry about GPU prices? That's literally what life in Brazil or Poland is like, demons and everything.

@713393557
>website terminally for mostly autistic weirdos and undesirable degenerates
so why are you here? honest question, not even arguing anymore. what causes your stockholm syndrome relationship with this website?
just answer that and I promise I'll leave you be. what makes you think you are above the people that post in this website when you obsessively lurk it too?

>>713393780
I don't talk to people about nerdy shit like that. I'm not much of a tech guy.
I have a laptop, I game on consoles.

>>713393825
>and I promise I'll leave you be.
You know I can just not reply and go to another porn board right? You're not doing shit you fucking weirdo.
You really are a whack job. You're acting like you're in some sort of exclusive secret club. You're not. There's more children here than probably Reddit these days.

>>713393964
>You know I can just not reply and go to another porn board right
so you come to /v/ to masturbate, am I correct? okay. pretty much what I suspected. good night, anon.

verso

>>713394087
You already told me goodnight and then you stuck around because you can't handle people calling you a weirdo.
You are a weirdo, you're not a part of something special. If you did you wouldn't be pridefully admitting you've wasted your life on a board that is slightly better than gamefaqs because you can cuss and post images.
Not that big of a deal kid.

>>713393374
>bad things happen in real life? It cannot be!!!!!
Please kys
>>713393480
So it's just a grimdark version of Dragonball, Naruto and every other shonen? Wow revolutionary. But at least you we to know what Gokus and Narutos favorite foods are. Berserk only has "smash dude with stick" for 1000000 panels, okay but I can do that I'm a videogame at least and be less bored.

>>713394313
Anon those things I listed rarely happens to a single person and that's not including the demons.

>>713394313
>He doesn't like violence.
Well there's your problem.

>>713394342
People get raped in real life. I'm sorry you had to learn this sad fact of life on this website anon. Oh wait I understand your argument is that it doesn't happen with demons involved in real life so versekr is cooler. Okay great. Don't look up the Collins elite theory

>>713394565
You need to re read what i said, I was implying all that happening to a single person
Your standards and snarky replies makes me wonder what exactly an angry little shit like you does actually enjoy in terms of drawn literature and art.

>>713389143
>ragna deserving more pain than sol
wut

>>713394629
My argument is that a homies girl getting raped in front of him (regardless of your retarded demons) isn't enough justification for 100000 panels of a dude with 0 personality and or interests. Give me at least one crumb of anything regarding Guts not being a grimdark faggot for one second. Maybe one panel of him washing his hands off blood after smashing dudes with sticks. Something interesting. That's just why I could never get interested in shonen its boring to me. I don't mind admiting it. If want endless violence and bloodshed (which is cool too) I play any videogame and be less bored with it.

>>713393002
You're not only a manchild, you're a pretentious one too lmao.
>I would take edgy media over quirky media
Your "cool" edgy is shallow and as mindless as quirky media bro. Nothing wrong with liking either but you cannot make fun and pretend you're above them when the only reason you can come up to your media is that "eh he wields big swords and kills monstah is cool"

>>713395085
I hate to break it to you anon but straight men don't care about another man's interests. I'm not here for him to learn anything, or to become the most powerful character in the world.
He never had interests because he was raised to kill people. Did you even watch or read Berserk? He's been a mercenary since he could walk. He doesn't have hobbies or interests. His parents are also dead. And the person who was kinda like a father figure sold him out to another dude within the troop.
So no, it doesn't surprise me a guy who got by slaughtering people wouldn't exactly pick up friends or hobbies or have a choice what kind of food he got because all he's ever ate was what he can afford.
You are being a punk bitch about an action flick. For no reason. I didn't watch Terminator 2 for it's plot. I watched it for it's action. The story was a back seat.
In Berserk the story is simple. Revenge. And he has shown a more open side because he has a group of different types of people joining his quest to kill Griffith.

>>713395406
>straight men don't care about another man's interests
That's so sad

>>713388809
>guts is a mary sue.
Dude couldnt stop himself being raped or stop high gf from getting raped is a powerless bitch in front of the actual power of the godhead.

He's a big guy that swings a big sword and has a canon arm. That's it.

>>713395578
We only care if it matches with what we like.
I don't sit there, look at a guy and go "Gee, i wonder what kind of snacks he enjoys". That's some faggot shit

>>713395638
this edit is the best thing to come out of berserk

>>713395649
Reading manga is faggot shit. Sorry to drop this on you bro.

>>713395773
According to who? You? The person on 4chan?

>>713395773
>bro
Faggot detected.

>>713395406
>You are a fag if you don't want to look at 100000 panels over 30 years of a giant rock on legs with less personality than the LLM on my toaster swinging a big metal stick around.

Yep thats me, big ole faggy fag

>>713395992
You obviously never read much to begin with if you think he hasn't changed at all.

>>713395803
A straight guy.

>>713396396
Why would I care what another guy thinks if we're both straight?

>>713396228
nta but yeah, guts changed
he went from an entertainingly edgy kid with no personality (because miura was young and edgy) to a boring faggot pussy old man (because miura became an old pussy and lost all his youthful fiery passion and energy and jerked it too hard to them lolis)

>>713396519
I really don't understand people like you.

I think Berserk should have consisted of the black swordsman arc, the golden age arc, then a final arc where Guts fights Griffith to conclude the story.

>>713396601
berserk is the perfect example why you should finish your shit in a timely manner
"my life's masterwork" is a trap for artists, and it leads to inferior works because your mind is going to change through your life, and even if your story had a clear direction, it's going to warp into something completely different
I guarantee you if he lived another 30 years and finished berserk, the conclusion would turn out irrecognizable from what he originally envisioned at the start, and would satisfy almost no one

>>713396496
Otherwise you wouldn't be browsing an image board.
At best you'd be a lurker. But you're a repressed fag who thinks he's too tough and edgy.

>>713388686 (OP)
in all seriousness, probably these twits

>>713388809
Geralt is way more of a Gary Stu than Guts. Guts is significantly more human and flawed in how he's portrayed (at least in the games, dunno enough about book Geralt)

>>713396228
>You obviously never read much to begin with if you think he hasn't changed at all
But caring about changes within a man is gay, anon.

>>713397084
There's a huge difference vs I'm on here for reasons on a Sunday night and you living here like it's a part of your daily routine to the point you think this place is your personal secret club house. You were supposed to grow out of that phase by now.

>>713388686 (OP)
lol probably no one guts wasn't even supposed to make it out the womb


https://youtu.be/4fElHeLN6M4?si=-koLZPpWk_xrBFs7

>>713397485
I never said i cared about his changes. You're assuming. Regardless if he kept doing things alone or made a typical DnD group members I was still enjoying myself. That's what matters to me.

>>713389619
Less evil and suffered less than James who just killed his wife and got put in a spooky town too lol
SHfags are so up their own asses

>>713388686 (OP)
>Thread has gone on this long
>No Oersted

ENTER

>>713389143
>Fox suffering more than Krystal
Lol no. I know they're accounting fan popularity in this bullshit.

>>713398003
yeah that poor guy got fucked.

>>713397293
Geralt isn't even the main character for most of the books, it's Ciri. He's just kind a based mysterious asshole

>>713388809
>guts is a mary sue.
No lol did you even read Berserk

Close but I think Guts takes it because he got raped and what Femto did to Casca, at least Clem was lucky to never run into molesters in the apocalypse

>>713388686 (OP)
>who suffered more than Guts
How many times did Guts die? Is the number zero? Well then he's a pussy behind the majority of vidya protagonists, they die all the time

>>713396606
The fakeness of a Berserk fan is very easy to tell from what arcs they wish to completely exclude from Berserk. Anyone who omits the Conviction Arc I can instantly tell only ever watched the 1998 anime and only read the manga up to the Golden Age chapter. Conviction Arc is where Berserk's artwork peaked. The Millennium Falcon Arc was also great, people only don't like the horrible release schedule. Fantasia Arc is definitely the weakest of the arcs so far due to the constantly delays and Kentaro fucking dying during the middle of it. The Sea God chapters and Isma were really cool however and I did like the sequence of entering Casca's mind by my two favorite non-Golden Age characters.

>>713388686 (OP)
Do you think Talion from Shadow of Mordor/War comes close? Basically being an undead wraith cursed to die over and over and over again and never being reunited with your family and having to live in orc and monster infested Mordor? Talion does get a few living friends and does get revenge on his enemies however and didn't have a shitty childhood like Guts did.

>>713395638

>>713389143
>Crono and Yukari are both more evil than fucking Caim, Berkut and Menendez

>>713388686 (OP)
One time I had a dream where there was a Land of the Lustrous licensed action game where you could have an OC character-creator gem take part in the entire manga's run including cute optional postgame as a Lunarian conversion.

>>713389143
My glorious king subject Delta deserved 0 suffering

>>713396889
I'm amazed Akira managed to stay so consistent. The movie finished like 4 years before the manga, but both managed to have most of the same major plot beats. Even if they are different in a lot of ways, the base structure was largely similar.

>>713389081
the entire golden age is a flashback though

>>713388686 (OP)
Easy

>>713403901
Like Made in Abyss game?

>>713390631
Yeah man.

>>713389143
>Yukari and Slippy deserve to suffer as much as the guy that raped thousands and killed millions
Nice

>>713389143
Lucas makes the most sense. I could've swore there were worse sufferings with other characters, weren't there?

>>713388767
FPBP

>>713388686 (OP)
>kills her mom in childbirth
>dad dies shortly after
>took in as a student by her mom's ex-lover
>accidently kills the ex-lover in a day
>makes a pact with a witch to return the ex-lover's soul to a puppet
>ex-lover resents her now and abuses her
>causes the apocalypse with the pact she made
>ex-lover dies again, and it's her fault again.
>create an organization to try and stop apocalypse from witch
>Doesn't work everyone she knows dies
>nearly the entire world is dead, and it's her fault
>has to alter her brain to feel only happiness so she won't commit suicide
>does one last hail mary to stop the apocalypse from happening by using time travel to prevent the witch from using her.
>costs her lover and last living friend's lives.
>doesn't work
>last two people alive are her and the witch.
>finally kills the witch
>all alone in a ravaged world
>finds out shes pregnant
>sends her kid to another world with living people so she won't be raised by a psychopath
>kid grows up refuses to ever see or talk to her, then dies
Being Luca is suffering.

>>713388979
x is a good contestor. at least zero kept some peace for 100 years after his sacrifice. x never stood a chance even after he became robot jesus and bailed physically

>>713398003
The entire town deserved death. Oersted did nothing wrong.