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Anonymous No.713403765 [Report] >>713405071 >>713405442 >>713405473 >>713405536 >>713405579 >>713405743 >>713406335 >>713407039 >>713407474 >>713409059 >>713413390 >>713413458 >>713413573 >>713413724 >>713424405 >>713424478 >>713425297 >>713429292 >>713432214 >>713433591 >>713434698 >>713440841 >>713442265
Why the FUCK doesn't Switch 2 have cellular data/eSIM etc support? Is that not a logical progression?
Anonymous No.713403879 [Report] >>713405251 >>713406373 >>713431010 >>713433838
Shouldn't phones get better and proper gaming controls? Is that not a logical progression?
Anonymous No.713404891 [Report]
>Nintendo
>logical progression
Pick one
Anonymous No.713405071 [Report]
>>713403765 (OP)
>Nintendo netcode
>on mobile connections
Lol. Lmao even
Anonymous No.713405251 [Report] >>713405574 >>713408603 >>713409285 >>713413702 >>713418876 >>713419840 >>713423773 >>713434181
>>713403879
This has been a solved problem for years. The real problem is rampant piracy and the amount of slop on the mobile app markets that basically make it impossible for good games to be successful.
Anonymous No.713405442 [Report]
>>713403765 (OP)
Hmm
saucy No.713405473 [Report]
>>713403765 (OP)
The same reason Xbox doesn't have that.
Anonymous No.713405536 [Report]
>>713403765 (OP)
You should be tarred and feathered for even suggesting such a retarded idea. I'm going to assume you're brown.
Anonymous No.713405574 [Report] >>713406483 >>713406960 >>713443162
>>713405251
fuck this controller though, cost $100 and the dpad and right stick both failed on me after a year. I really liked it before that happened too.
Anonymous No.713405579 [Report] >>713408005
>>713403765 (OP)
Vita had a model that supported 3G connection and that console flopped, so everything about it had to be written off by the industry instead of examining which specific part of the execution caused the flop.
Anonymous No.713405743 [Report] >>713405906 >>713406387 >>713413678
>>713403765 (OP)
You know, I don't see why you couldn't make a USB adapter that emulates ethernet and just has a built in cell modem.
Anonymous No.713405845 [Report] >>713405946
Wifi is bad enough with disconnection out of the asd and you want fucking mobile data?
Anonymous No.713405906 [Report]
>>713405743
You can just tether from your phone dummy why would you need an adapter?
Online games would be ass but its possible
Anonymous No.713405946 [Report] >>713406165 >>713409589
>>713405845
5G connection is perfectly fine nowadays, and I live under the tower.
Anonymous No.713406165 [Report]
>>713405946
I just tried MKW online standing directly below the modem and it disconnected three times, hooked up an Ethernet cable and played for hours.
Of course its a shitty ISP modem but still, you should try to use cable every time.
Anonymous No.713406335 [Report] >>713413537
>>713403765 (OP)
No one wanted that 3g shit man.
Anonymous No.713406373 [Report] >>713423761
>>713403879
>pierced nipples
>pierced bellybutton
>pierced clit
holy fuark
Anonymous No.713406387 [Report] >>713413637
>>713405743
Anonymous No.713406483 [Report] >>713406949 >>713409634
>>713405574
8bitdo made one they're unironically paying me to shill and it's pretty good
Anonymous No.713406554 [Report]
All those tablets with cellular sold like shit. I don't think there's any demand.
Anonymous No.713406949 [Report]
>>713406483
>bluetooth connection instead of usb C

looks nice but thats a dealbreaker for me
Anonymous No.713406960 [Report]
>>713405574
Had a Kishi where one side of the controller failed. You might be able to fix it if multiple parts of the controller have zero inputs reading because when you open these things up, the ribbon cable between the two might be getting stretched/crunched. There might be multiple ribbon cables in yours, not sure. Once I found the right cable, it was a 1 dollar fix.
Anonymous No.713407039 [Report] >>713407308 >>713437550 >>713438639
>>713403765 (OP)
There's three main issues with cellular service when it comes to game consoles, battery life, reliability of service, and bandwith usage. Any wireless radio sucks up battery like a motherfucker, but cell modems are notoriously bad. You can test this yourself pretty easily by comparing your phone's battery life with airplane mode on versus off. Other notable examples are smartwatches that come in both bluetooth-only and cellular varieties - the cell model usually has 25-30% less battery life compared to the bluetooth-only version.

Cell reliability for gaming is dogshit. For most tasks you might do on your phone, it's really not too bad. Even with the modern web, most tasks are still individual transactions. You refresh your email inbox, it downloads new emails, you sit and read them. You pick a video on YouTube and you sit and watch that one video. If you're moving, you don't even notice that your phone is bouncing between towers because the software is designed to keep enough data locally to buffer out the temporary loss of service. That simply doesn't work with online gaming unless you're playing something slow and turn-based. Even if you're sitting still with an ideal LTE or 5G connection, that still pales in comparison to a half-decent wifi signal or hardwired connection. UWB might solve this, but then you're back to the battery life issues, let alone the availability of the service.

cont.
Anonymous No.713407308 [Report] >>713417018 >>713437550
>>713407039
In the US at least, the biggest issue is bandwith and its cost. Every cell carrier is jewish as fuck. In your head, you'd imagine every device should be easily capable of getting a cell connection anywhere. Theoretically, they could, but one of the three carriers has to get their buck somehow. Phone plans are expensive enough on their own, but have you ever looked at how much a non-phone device costs to add on to a Verizon or AT&T plan? I work with a lot of new cars, and let me tell you, it's a complete fucking racket. 5 gigs of data is something absurd like $40 a month for a car's built-in hotspot. Your snot nosed brat is gonna burn through that in an hour streaming Peppa Pig. Tablets aren't much better, but they at least have "unlimited" plans. Of course, there's no such thing as unlimited data on any cell carrier unless you're grandfathered in to a 20+ year old plan from the 3G days. You'll hit 25 or 30 gigs and they'll mysteriously start throttling you without telling you. Absolute dogshit for gaming.

So you add all that up, and here's the icing on the cake: cell service isn't as simple as dropping a little wifi chip on a board and calling it a day. Every fucking mobile device builds it into their main SoC. Ever notice that laptops don't have cell service by default? Some do, but if you look at the specs, they're always using ARM processors instead of x86 (some sort of Snapdragon or Mediatek instead of Intel/AMD) - that's because they're tablets pretending to be laptops. Intel, AMD, and obviously important for Nintendo, Nvidia, don't make SoCs for the consumer market with cell modems built in, primarily because of everything I previously listed.

Shit like the Vita or the original Kindles having 3G built in were a relic of their time. The web was simpler, files were smaller, etc. It wouldn't work well with how gay snd retarded everything is now.
Anonymous No.713407381 [Report]
Didn't one of the PSP's have that and nobody used it?

It'd be a neat feature but for 90% of people, just using your cellphone's Hotspot achieves the same result.
Anonymous No.713407474 [Report] >>713413859 >>713423659
>>713403765 (OP)
Because Sony is sitting on the patent for the only way to make a gaming phone work properly with main stream success
Anonymous No.713407647 [Report]
i don't need my gaming machine to be a phone just like i don't need my phone to be a gaming machine. it feels unfocused. and most people already have a phone, nerd. imagine trading in a perfectly good S24 or something for a Nintenphone. It's just a very gay idea.
Anonymous No.713408005 [Report] >>713408059
>>713405579
>Vita had a model that supported 3G connection and that console flopped
It was AT&T exclusive and 3G.
The Vita flopping is not indicative of whether cellular connectivity would help with sales or not.
Anonymous No.713408059 [Report]
>>713408005
read the second half of that post
Anonymous No.713408097 [Report]
Why even care about that?
Just set up a hotspot on your phone.
Anonymous No.713408603 [Report]
>>713405251
>third party peripheral
that's not what he said
Anonymous No.713409059 [Report]
>>713403765 (OP)
Nintendo"s online is dogshit
Anonymous No.713409285 [Report]
>>713405251
Looking forward to this one personally (chink gamesir prototype)
Anonymous No.713409298 [Report]
It settles
Anonymous No.713409589 [Report]
>>713405946
>and I live under the tower.

Jeez. Enjoy cancer.
Anonymous No.713409634 [Report]
>>713406483
Why are they paying you. Are you a YouTuber?
Anonymous No.713412053 [Report]
They don't want another nGage
Anonymous No.713413390 [Report]
>>713403765 (OP)
Why not just turn your phone into a hotspost for your switch instead?
Anonymous No.713413458 [Report]
>>713403765 (OP)
gonna be honest: i hope chinkhelds do this once slide out controllers become more standard. i'm very surprised the RG slide didn't have 5g support, even if only for internet.

imagine: decently powerful SoC, slide out controls, reasonable screen size - but it has unlocked 5g support so you can use it as a phone. this would absolutely destroy the gaming phone market even if the power was slightly under other devices.

control is more important than raw power. i would rather have a weaker device with better size and controls than having a powerful slab with no controller. also, using it as a phone would be kind of full circle with 2000s phone design, which i really like the idea of. bring back weird, fuckass random phones that look like they were designed by someone on meth/weed/coke/coke zero simultaneously.
Anonymous No.713413537 [Report] >>713432138
>>713406335
3g sucked. it was the first wave of cell tech where data transfer was plausible. nowadays, 5g competes with cable, which while kind of concerning health wise is really great for tech. even 4g with a good enough signal is good enough for data, though not perfect.
Anonymous No.713413573 [Report]
>>713403765 (OP)
Adds a lot of potential legal nonsense to deal with, to some extent that's on the telecoms to deal with but it's still not worth the hassle, also they would need to add an internet browser for activating sim cards and they are terrified of browsers being used for hacking consoles
Anonymous No.713413637 [Report]
>>713406387
Do the USB things just take the internet from elsewhere to then broadcast? Nintendo did have something like that at one point so you could bypass the encryptions their consoles couldn't handle, although they couldn't sell it here because of patent nonsense
Anonymous No.713413678 [Report]
>>713405743
These exist.
Anonymous No.713413702 [Report] >>713414372
>>713405251
>The real problem is rampant piracy
for old shit yes
>and the amount of slop on the mobile app markets that basically make it impossible for good games to be successful.
i agree and it pisses me off.

mobile gaming is utter aids. it shouldn't be, there's no reason for it to be, but it is. these phones are more powerful than a PSP or vita, both of which had awesome libraries, but google play very specifically is a cesspit of slop and asset flips. it's not even asset flips half the time, there are games out there that are direct pirated copies of one another that are repacked and put to market by different individuals/companies and google play doesn't care.

we need kind of a clean sweep on google play and apple stores. all the shovelware, all the pirated shit, all the asset flips need to be wiped and disallowed from being uploaded again. maybe if there were standards for what could be uploaded, the situation would improve.
Anonymous No.713413724 [Report]
>>713403765 (OP)
You already have a phone, just use the wifi tether feature on it to share your mobile internet to your switch.
Anonymous No.713413859 [Report] >>713414268
>>713407474
that patent is expired and products are already released using that method
Anonymous No.713414137 [Report] >>713414496
Adding SIM support means adding direct backdoors for the NSA through Nintendo internal servers. Nintendo probably doesn't want to install the NSA black boxes to all thier stuff.
Anonymous No.713414268 [Report]
>>713413859
It's expiring in 11 days or something but yeah some companys are starting to create gaining slide phones like the RG slide
Moose !!Tm8/4MnbTW4 No.713414372 [Report]
>>713413702
What you are suggesting is literally what Apple Arcade is. Devs join that program, prove they are something worth being on that platform, and then you get access to play them or buy them permanently. Apple Arcade isn't enough to keep any of these high fidelity games afloat and they almost immediately get ported off in some way. Apple also actively tried promoting high fidelity gaming as part of their newer phones with things like the Death Stranding and Resident Evil 8 ports.

Mobile's issues are that piracy is rampant on Android specifically with countless apk sites a Google search away paired with the fact that's it's been ingrained in everyone for over a decade and a half now that a premium app can't be more than $1-2 unless it's a productivity app or security, and even then they will very likely do subscriptions and not premium apps. Premium apps do not survive on app stores even if they are heavily promoted or at the top of the "Paid apps" section. Minecraft is basically it in terms of what actually sells outside of, what, Terraria and Balatro? Standing out is basically impossible and you will virtually never recoup your losses.
Anonymous No.713414496 [Report] >>713417170 >>713419473
>>713414137
Holy med.
Anonymous No.713417018 [Report]
>>713407308
>"unlimited" plans. Of course, there's no such thing as unlimited data on any cell carrier unless you're grandfathered in to a 20+ year old plan from the 3G days. You'll hit 25 or 30 gigs and they'll mysteriously start throttling you without telling you. Absolute dogshit for gaming.
Fun thing about unlimited plans: the contract has a fine print telling you that there is a max monthly data cap that equals to some bullshit calculation of the median of all the data used, which usually maens between 100 and 300 GB
Anonymous No.713417170 [Report]
>>713414496
he's completely right, it's a cost headache most of all to maintain their relationship
Anonymous No.713418876 [Report] >>713419021 >>713425893
>>713405251
Attaching a separate controller to a device is not a solution to the problem.
We need Xperia Play 2. Or at least a comeback of built-in physical keyboards.
Anonymous No.713419021 [Report] >>713426223
>>713418876
>Or at least a comeback of built-in physical keyboards.
this should happen regardless of gaming. i would buy any device with an integrated keyboard in 2025, that would be awesome.

i don't think these companies know quite what the market is. there are hundreds of thousands of zoomers deeply discontent with the bland state of tech, anything going against that released by a mainstream company would sell gorillions. besides, if it's a good device anyway, the spinny rims and frills of a keyboard won't matter to normgroids. just look at smart flip phones, those sold really well and work well too. the only reason i don't have one yet is because i'm holding out hope for an xperia play situation like you're describing.
Anonymous No.713419473 [Report] >>713419512
>>713414496
He's right though. If you want to communicate to the cell towers, you need to include a baseband processor, which uses its own RTOS that's completely black-boxed to your hardware. Its impossible to look into or reverse engineer. I remember trying when I got my Pinephone.
Anonymous No.713419512 [Report] >>713420704
>>713419473
Sacra
Anonymous No.713419840 [Report] >>713436571
>>713405251
These are cool but what do you even play with it
Anonymous No.713420704 [Report]
>>713419512
What?
Anonymous No.713423659 [Report]
>>713407474
Still mad about this by the way.
Anonymous No.713423761 [Report]
>>713406373
CoomerGOD...
Anonymous No.713423773 [Report]
>>713405251
>Anon actually gives a shit about app piracy
Kek that's like the one you should care about the least
Anonymous No.713424405 [Report] >>713425873 >>713441956
>>713403765 (OP)
Nigga just use tethering from your phone
Anonymous No.713424478 [Report]
>>713403765 (OP)
I like Nintendo but "logical progression" is not really their thing
Anonymous No.713425297 [Report]
>>713403765 (OP)
Vita tried that and no one wanted a game console to be tied to a carrier.

There's also no reason to take on an additional monthly payment when you can just create a WiFi Hotspot on your phone for your Switch to connect to.
Anonymous No.713425873 [Report]
>>713424405
This, wtf is even the complaint here when you can do it easily
Anonymous No.713425893 [Report]
>>713418876
That's like saying pc gaming should employ only m&kb because joypad, wheel or flying stick is an "attached external device"
Anonymous No.713426223 [Report]
>>713419021
>there are hundreds of thousands of zoomers deeply discontent with the bland state of tech
Anonymous No.713429292 [Report]
>>713403765 (OP)
remember vita? that's why
Anonymous No.713431010 [Report]
>>713403879
Why does my cupboard have a face?
Anonymous No.713432138 [Report]
>>713413537
>which while kind of concerning health wise is really great for tech.
No it's not. The only reason I hate 5g is that it's short wave and my phone keeps connecting to different towers when I'm in the same fucking spot. Fucking thing drains my phone battery hard. That's the only reason I switch from 5g to LTE 4g. I don't do anything with my phone that requires 5g bandwidth
Anonymous No.713432214 [Report]
>>713403765 (OP)
It would rape the pathetic battery life even more even when the modem is not in use
They'd need to get a SoC with a modem in it which makes nvidia not viable because they don't have any license to even make a modem which means they'd have to get a mediatek (maybe possible with nvidia gpu now?) qualcomm or apple chip for their device
It would also cost even more and the headache of passing the certification is not worth the time for childrens toy when you can simply use your phone or some other usb dongle to get LTE/5G
Anonymous No.713432254 [Report]
The demand for it is slimmer than the mobile data ipads
Anonymous No.713433591 [Report]
>>713403765 (OP)
Told you niggers
Anonymous No.713433838 [Report]
>>713403879
>Shouldn't phones get better and proper gaming controls?
they're made to be passive media consumption devices. adding controls would upset the media jews by reducing the screen's size. an accessory would wear out the port. and wireless is by definition dogshit
Anonymous No.713434181 [Report]
>>713405251
>The real problem is rampant piracy
piracy is all but dead on mobile
>always connected to the internet via mobile carriers, so most games implement (((server-side saves))) if they aren't (((live-service))) outright. everything requires a google or icloud acount to install, let alone run
>locked bootloaders
>(((trustzone))) with (((remote attestation))) in the way of (((play integrity))) and (((notarization))) to detect any modifications to the system
>google is working on their own denuvo (pairip)
of course they get away with it because people who play on their phones are absolute tech-illiterate retards who are convinced it's normal to be denied the ability to back up your devices' storage
Anonymous No.713434698 [Report]
>>713403765 (OP)
2 reasons Nvidia does not have a modem, nintendo is cheap and does not wanted to use the tegra blackwell.
Anonymous No.713436571 [Report]
>>713419840
PS1-3, PSP, DS emulators
Anonymous No.713437550 [Report]
>>713407039
>>713407308
Informative
Thanks
Anonymous No.713438639 [Report] >>713438763
>>713407039
>You can test this yourself pretty easily by comparing your phone's battery life with airplane mode on versus off.
wouldn't be as much of an issue if jewish phone manufacturers didn't take away the ability to revoke internet access to apps you retard
Anonymous No.713438763 [Report] >>713438910
>>713438639
The radios being powered at all is the problem, faggot.
Anonymous No.713438910 [Report] >>713439065
>>713438763
why are you factoring in idle consumption at all. the shitty OS and apps constantly wake up the radio, which rapes your battery, and you can do nothing about it without root. and it's all on purpose so you can't block ads
Anonymous No.713439065 [Report] >>713439376
>>713438910
Because idle consumption still matters. Regardless, the point of the discussion is why it would be infeasible for a game console like the Switch to have it. Do you really think Nintendo would be any better about background usage than your phone?
Anonymous No.713439376 [Report] >>713439692
>>713439065
you were talking about power consumption with airplane mode on and off. I explained what made the most difference (shitware connecting to do shit (usually download ads or send analytics) without your knowledge or consent). learn to put arguments together
Anonymous No.713439692 [Report]
>>713439376
I'm not denying that it's a factor. My point is that game consoles do the same shit, and have been doing so for decades. Your phone is definitely worse with it. But even in a completely isolated scenario with a rooted phone and apps having no internet access, the idle power draw of a cell modem is significantly higher than a wifi or bluetooth radio.
Anonymous No.713440841 [Report]
>>713403765 (OP)
Why would you want to go through the hassle of getting another sim card/plan when you can just tether your phone's hotspot to it?
Anonymous No.713441956 [Report]
>>713424405
but what if I want to pay for 2 data plans instead of occasionally tethering to the one I already have on me at all times??
Anonymous No.713442265 [Report]
>>713403765 (OP)
Only worthless trash likes anything with a SIM.
Anonymous No.713443162 [Report]
>>713405574
I got a gamesir G8 usb c version. Not using it everyday, but works fine for me and it was like 40 euro.