Thread 713414759

How do we fix the horror genre?

>>713414759 (OP)
>How do we fix the horror genre?

I dunno it looks pretty fixed

>>713414759 (OP)
>AAA devs been here
>How can you tell?
>Yellow paint

>>713414945
What made you think posting that shit would be funny?

>>713414945
i laughed

>>713415021
as opposed to yours of general negativity. real side splitting

>>713415021
What made you think anybody cared about your take?

>>713414759 (OP)
change it to blood for at least some subtlety

>>713414759 (OP)
>being scared of literal video games
It's not a 'video game' problem, bro

>>713414759 (OP)
This is likely the optimal design for AAA games intended for a wide audience (a lot of retards in there).

>>713414759 (OP)
Replace yellow paint with blood and keep it as an optional guide.
Remove invincible stalkers but make basic enemies harder to kill with the option to avoid them entirely.
Less ammunition and supplies.
Bring back tank controls[/spoilers]

>>713414945
kek

>>713417336
Mr.Tough Guy™ "I never get scarwed guise, honest I don't"

Has there ever been a lore reason for why there's yellow paint everywhere

>>713418415
You're wrong.
There are plenty of retard in the world, that is true.
However, this mentality that a "wider audience" means including the retards is just stupid, especially for a series like this where the majority is recurring fans.
I can guarantee that the use of yellow paint didn't generate a single sale from this mythological """"wider audience""""

Such a wide audience it didn't even meet sales of games that didn't treat it's playerbase like fucking retards.

>>713418415
Not really. You could replace Yellow Paint with any number of better things whether it's game specific immersive markers IE the merchants mark possible routes with easy to spot symbols or graffiti or even just add highlights to all interactables the Detective Vision every game with yellow paint has anyway so they're only visible when you want them to be. Heck, it wouldn't even be as egregious of they weren't mandatory and people who aren't mentally retarded could just turn them off in the settings.

>>713414759 (OP)
Bring fixed cam angles back, not replacing third person but complementing it to sub for yellow paint (by fixing the cam on point of interest) and setup spoopy reveals. Would even work better than back then since you'd condition to player to be on edge whenever the cam is locking up.

>>713414759 (OP)
needs an "autosave" indicator kek

>>713414759 (OP)
Make it more like RE7

Lethal company can get pretty fucking scary when your friends start getting picked off one by one leaving you alone with the monsters especially on that one planet with the giant robots and your stupid teammate pulls out the apparatus activating all of the robots at once turning the map into a warzone you alone have to try and navigate your way through back to the ship to get out of there. Then you see despite your best efforts you didn't make quota so you're gonna get jettison out into deep space anyway.

Fuck you so much, puffer.

>>713425321
From the thumbnail I thought that was grey cultist from Blood

>>713414945
heh i get it

>>713415021
It would be funny if we all took to the streets with (washable) yellow paint or yellow tape and marked obvious things with it. Especially if it was a game studio. Anyone live near one?

>>713425574
>washable
The most reddit disclaimer I have ever seen

>>713414945
lmao

>>713414848
kek

>>713425602
i cant be arsed to do community service for vandalism

>>713414945
>>713415129
>>713420548
Samefag

>>713425602
>I don’t want to pull a white prank, I want to be a nigger and destroy private property and make and area look like shit permanently

>>713425712
You are so close to the answer but can't quite grasp it. Here, I'll spoonfeed you:
Every white person would have realized you mean washable paint, for the exact reason you stated. Therefore, having to even specify it means you are a nigger
>deleted his post
Thanks for conceding

>>713425661
Games should just straight up punish the player with miseryporn-tier difficulty if they go through the other door.

motherfuckers never heard of "chalk"

>>713425321
Is this the thread?

>>713425926
You really think the thing people find unbelievable in this situation is that yellow paint exists?
Doesn't matter whether it's chalk, paint, cum, black tar or fucking duct tape.
It's the idea that someone in a horror situation has spent the time to put instructions for people like "climb up this ledge I painted bright yellow".
It's the worst type of contrivance imaginable.

Also, chalk? You really think some motherfucker is spending the time hauling chalk around to play fucking hopscotch in silent hill or raccoon city?
A can of spray paint makes more sense than chalk and it's still a retarded idea.

>>713427638
Search more, /v/hu traveler

>>713414759 (OP)
Customization options to remove shit like the telltale markers. If a game is well tuned you can assign the number or resources it offers to be 50% on a slider and allow the kids to raise the slider higher to have an easier time and those who want less resources in the game can lower it to be a more resource scarce type of survival horror game.

>>713414945
and an epic cake day to you too, kind sir!

Yeah, older titles were much more subtle.

>>713414759 (OP)
kek

i hate modern devs so much it's unreal

>>713422492
nope, that's why it is retarded. Once you see it, you are immediately taken out of the game. You aloes realize that the devs designed the game for retards which means for some of us there is no challenge ahead.

The NPC meme is fucken real. I want real devs who want to make real games, not this corpo bland NPC fag shit.

The funny part is, is that I can literally throw thousands of dollars at the devs who make a real in depth awesome game, but no one wants to make one. Fucken idiots

>>713414759 (OP)
add multi-player

>>713414759 (OP)
Easy, you just gotta get a lot younger OP.

>>713422492
The one game that did it well was Mirror's Edge where it was partially a built-in bamham sense to tell you where to go and also fit into the extremely flat and bright artstyle.

>>713414759 (OP)
I find funny how Stanley Parable predicted the yellow paint

Compile a bunch (a dozen or so) of well made indie horror games from various devs and release them as an orange box for $60

>>713414759 (OP)
Amnesia the Bunker didn't have any yellow paint and that game made me shit my pants.

>>713431165
What is the correlation you're trying to make here?

>>713431315
Yellow paint makes him cum

>>713420034
How would you make enemies unavoidable? Every horror game has the "avoid the enemy to conserve ammo" strat

>>713414759 (OP)
Why didn't remake4 use blood instead of yellow paint? It make more sense to follow a blood trail in a zombie game than yellow paints and it also looks cooler.

why just not assume a player being retarded

>>713414759 (OP)
Turn yellow paint into blood and have it be bait where the monster is waiting

>>713433060
Because then you lose the interesting aspects of your game by dumbing it down.

>>713433262
But more players will be able to enjoy it, cancelling out the dumbing down

>>713414759 (OP)
Turn yellow paint into cum and have it be bait where the monster is waiting to rape you

>>713433292
I don't think turning every single games into Call of Duty just to please a couple of mouthbreathers is a good idea.

>>713414759 (OP)
Have it be about stuff that people are actually afraid of, like losing your home, getting cancer or similar worrisome things.

>>713433357
Why?

With how prevalent arachnaphobia modes are, just make it nothing but spiders from beginning to end.

>>713433368
>hoodrats move into your cul-de-sac
What do you name this game?

>>713414759 (OP)
If it had some text on the wall it would be perfect.
It's sarcasm.

>>713414945
funny post
>>713415021
faggot post

>>713415138
>>713416749
Shut the fuck up retards

>>713433461
>CUT THEIR OFF LIMBS
I don't get it.

>>713433513
It's sarcasm, he just told you

>>713433513
It clearly says
>CUT THEIR OFF LIMBS

>>713433542
"CUT THEIR OFF LIMBS" is sarcasm?

>>713433438
Gnome Invasion
It's an army of garden gnomes here to defend your garden ornaments from being stolen or broken.
We just redid our front lawn to bare and basic when it happened to us until we could move

>>713433626
Yes.

>>713420034
You played REmake?

>>713433461
Words on a wall, written in blood, terrifying, I'm truly spooked, maybe I should follow those instruction if I want to stay alive, whatever they mean.

>>713420034
>Bring back tank controls
The player being limited in motion isn't really scary, it's just annoying.
What you should thrive for is having a very mobile player being hunted by a much more mobile enemy so nowhere is safe. I'm sick of crawl spaces and climbing on shelves being safe spots.

>>713433461
>>713433790
>CUT THEIR OFF LIMBS
THE WORDS, WHAT DO THEY MEAN?

>Special Investigator and Video Game Journalist Jones- I m-mean Josephine, I'm glad you came.
>Hmph. What's the problem, Officer Mike?
>I need you to weigh in on this crime scene.
>Hmm.. A painted yellow arrow pointing towards an open door to an unlit room from the adjacent wall... A painted yellow path curving into the same door from the floor... A stuffed woofer frozen in an expression of cautious alert facing the same door... I'm sorry Mike I don't get it. I have no idea where to go from here. It seems we have reached an impassé. The ludonarrative here is simply undeveloped.
>As expected Josephine, your experience as a video game journalist precedes you. And may I say what a fine pink sailor moon dress you are wearing. Lovely fabric.
>Thanks, Mike. I almost considered reporting you to HR for nearly deadnaming it but I will let it slide due to that nice compliment.
>*phew*

>>713415138
>>713416749
>>713433463
I want normie white knighting cancer to leave.

>>713433906
kek

>>713433906
Lel

>>713428885
KWAZ

>>713433941
>they made fun of muh precious yellow paint

>>713414759 (OP)
Every time we have these threads there will inevitably be someone who suggests restricting the power players have in games is a good way to make a game feel scarier and some retard will come in and try to argue that doing that makes games less scary and more annoying and that real horror games need nonstop guns and military cock sucking for some reason. So I'm just going to go ahead and get this out of the way: You can fix horror by not making horror games into action games and not giving the character a gun that solves their every problem. There's my half of this horrible agreement with the universe, this cursed cycle we must live every time this thread rolls itself out of the fog of the abyss and into the light of creation. And if you disagree, then it is now your turn to play your part and dance this eternal waltz of the ancients with me, anon. But know that you're dumb and your opinion is bad and you should feel dumb and bad about it.

>>713434621
Yeah sure that's what my post was definitely secretly about you mouthbreathing schizo fuck

>>713433262
???

>>713433513
transgender propaganda

>>713434654
The thing with horror is that it needs suspension of disbelief to work, so it need to be somewhat grounded (for the player) to be scary, it's not very scary to be chased while your character is locked going on a gentle stroll speed because then it really outline just how fucking scripted your encounters are and how retarded/suicidal your protagonist is.
Doesn't mean every games need a weapon, but not being restricted in your options (or at least being restricted in a way that makes sense) definitely helps.

>>713435220
>playtesters can't figure out classes, races, bonuses, map advantages, etc...
>just dumb down your game to the point that it's just pressing one button to get a screen that says "you win"
>now at least 30% of your playtesters manage to finish the game
>now more players can play but you lost everything interesting about it

>>713433513
You know, off limbs like any limbs that look off, like having blades attached to their shoulders
That is definitely not right

>>713414945
Put me in the screencap!

>>713433794
RE4 remake did the best gameplay horror, you are swarmed by horde of enemies from every side, now deal with it. But /v/ likes to shit on it for some reason, maybe because it's the most successful horror game yet (10M copies in a single year, going to blow the fuck out every other game on the market).

>>713433513
it-it-it means SOMEONE encountered SCARY MONSTERS and found out that you have to CUT OFF THEIR LIMBS, otherwise you can't kill them because they're NOT LIKE HUMANS!!!!!!
are you scared yet?

>>713436414
I don't know, now if I could hear the protagonist scream about how spooked he is, using a snarky comment, then I know what I'm supposed to feel.
He'd have to do it every 10 seconds tho, or I'll forget.

>>713422398
>bro I'm so not scared of video games bro how are they ever going to scare me again bro
>I can't believe the industry just can't illicit fear out of me bro are they even trying bro
I promise you this is not a video game problem.

>>713414945
This shit is all over itchio, so it’s not just AAA. In fact “horror game” streamerbait is way more common in indie.

>>713435576
>but not being restricted in your options (or at least being restricted in a way that makes sense) definitely helps.
The threat any specific enemy poses is dependant on what they can do but also on what you can do. The restrictions on both and the interplay between those abilities and restrictions are what create the threat.

>>713414759 (OP)
Horror games that matter don't use yellow paint that why i always get stuck on the first puzzle then never get stuck after my mind finally gets in to play mode.

Is this how you make a good horror game?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcpEVeXE2k0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLcRDRO_erI

Give me your SCARIEST Horror game Recommendation.
Give me a game thats so SCARY it will make me pathologically SHIT and PISS myself in terror for the next hour and give me constant nightmares for the following weeks.

DEAD
FUCKING
SERIOUS
Rec me your scariest horror game, NOW!

>>713436252
4R is action horror, but yes the gameplay is amazing. 2R does horror gameplay more or less perfectly.

>>713425153
I think IP wants an actual video game and not a "cinematic experience".

>>713414759 (OP)
Give me a developer and money

The developer must follow my instructions completely

and I will give you the greatest horror the world ever knew

I'm an idea guy

Even the greatest horror in the genre pales in comparison to my ideas. Kneel

>>713439614
just add re4r weapon customization in
you get horror, cinematic, and gameplay
wa la

Make it fun and comfy. No joke, the best horror games aren't that scary, they're just fun and comfy and atmospheric.

>>713438929
I prefer 4R (combat) over 2R but to be honest, both games are 10/10. 2R has better atmosphere. I just wish for more of either, Capcom wouldn't even have to evolve the formula and I would keep eating it. Separate Ways and the Island in 4R were weaker but otherwise more of the village, castle or RPD and I am getting my dream game.

Add a fuckable mascot.
Scary?

>>713438310
Duskers was pretty good until you realize you can vent most enemies into space

>>713440354
>just add re4r weapon customization
And level design, and visuals, and enemies, and actual encounters instead of interactive cutscenes in between bouts of hide and seek.

>>713440671
you'd ended up making another arcade shooter that way
OP wanted horror game

>>713415021
spotted the AAA devslave

80s slasher films already solved horror: big tots, lots of blood. that's all you need.

>>713441063
>horror game
>game
So RE7 is out of the running.

>>713414759 (OP)
Ban photorealism and force developers to develop art directions that makes your brain close the gap between art and reality that creates enigmas in between.