It failed.

No, we failed.

>>713441047 (OP)
Should've allowed burgers to vote, maybe then it would've been a success.

>>713441047 (OP)
it was retarded to assume that the devs would be willing to patch mmo games with offline mode even if they were forced to do so. there's no universe where this happens.

Good. Keep the government out of my hobby

>>713441047 (OP)
great, now start making game dungeons Moss

>>713441047 (OP)
It was so clear that he was a plant by the government in an attempt to muscle in.

>>713441047 (OP)
If the mossgoblic austist was a chad thundercock, more people would sign the petition.
99% of people saw him and thought "Ew, he's ugly. Not signing the petition."
The society is lookist. and 99% of public speech efficiency is charisma, not logic

>>713441252
except players have already done this
you can set up your own wow client offline and play it however you want, including as a gm

>>713441251
Allowing burgers to vote would have immediately invalidated it. Since it was a EU only movement.

good, consoomers deserve to get scammed

>>713441047 (OP)
Good, modern gaming is slop that deserves to die.

>>713441251
Burgers have already voted this past century and now corpos can do as they wish there.

>>713441047 (OP)
It was always going to fail. Still worthwhile.

>>713441047 (OP)
Hahahahaha just like I said, better luck next time.

I won.

>>713441380
This is correct, and I think even Ross knows it. I remember him saying he was hoping someone with more charisma would take up the mantle of the movement, but nobody else seemed to pick up any traction.

Everyone who tried to stop this is the cancer killing games and should off themselves immediately.

>contrarians and ubishills on /v/ will say this is a good thing

>>713441665
>gay furry ERP chats leaked
nah

Thor-sama... I kneel...

>>713441697
I only play single player games. Not my problem.

>>713441047 (OP)
It would've never worked anyway, most people are cattle. But it didn't hurt to try.

>>713441380
Ross is still better-looking than most "popular" streamers though.

There is no argument where Ross made any sense or had a single leg to stand on. Greasy used carsalesman indeed.

>>713441252
>assume that the devs would be willing to patch mmo games with offline mode even if they were forced to do so
They don't have to, all they have to do is allow you to specify the server address instead of hard coding it.
And release their server software that they already have developed.
"Offline mode" is then as simple as running the server yourself and connecting to it.
If they released the source code it would be very easy for anyone to combine the 2 into 1 "Offline mode" button, kind of like how source games etc. work.

good. devs don't owe you anything

Does this mean more Game Dungeon episodes?

>>713441801
>I only play single player games
Single-player games are being affected by this. The main rallying point was a single-player game that is now rendered unplayable. Pull your head out of your ass.

>>713441252
Their lack of willingness was kind of the point of wanting legislation on it

>>713441874
>If they released the source code
That's their intellectual property and more importantly, the main thing they make money with
>b-but game dead
Doesn't matter, they built more games based off that source code

>>713441874
>If they released the source code
no company is going to release the source code of their game you retard

>>713441827
nigga you're nuts

>>713441251
They did, and they say killing games it’s fine

>please big daddy government save us from those greedy corporations
lmao what a bunch of bitches, if don't like a gaming company just pirate their shit

>>713441851
>"be clear about the product you are selling"
>HUH WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS THIS A USED CAR SALESMAN I DON'T GET IT WHY AREN'T YOU LETTING CORPOS DO WHATEVER THEY WANT

>>713441380
You don't need looks to be charismatic, just look at trump, he is like 3/10, says the most retarded things imaginable and people still listen

charisma and beauty are separate things

>yeah dude we need literally a million people to give us their name and home address to even consider looking into a consumer problem

>>713441957
>a single-player game that is now rendered unplayable
Then it's not single player.

>>713441995
>>713441997
Your response makes no sense if they're legally obligated to release the means.

>>713441251
There's literally no venues to fight that in burgerland, the government is ok with companies raping you, as long they don't rape you too hard to the point of death.
So EU was the only place left, and obviously only people living in the EU can vote.

>>713442000
Have you seen that one rat-faced faggot that gets spammed here? Disgusting.

>>713441685
He's been like that for years. He never wanted to be at the front, but no one else stepped up.

Who gives a shit about video games or even the longevity of media. It's all throwaway garbage at the end of the day. The world is not worse off for shit being lost and forgotten.

KWABOTY

>and you probably never will
He already knew but he tried anyway

>>713442091
I doxed myself for this fucking goblin on a whim and I regret it.
This was worse than that time I doxed myself on 4chan

>>713441995
>>713441997
Even the notion that you have to give fans the source code for their programming-savvy individuals to be able to whip up a fix is actually fallacious. Generally doesn't take that much data at all.

>>713442091
I know it's inconceivable for Americans, but our governments already know our names and home addresses. Literally every single citizen has a file in the bureaucratic system, it's the only way to get an ID
And if you move you have to register with the new local government

>>713441851
Go back to ERPing with gay furries.

>>713442093
>Then it's not single player.
Yes, it was. It was a single-player experience that was then changed to become unplayable via DRM.

I hope you all learn to stop hoping for anything positive, reality is pathetic, and you should all admit it and live the rest of your days suffering as misery is the natural state of man.

>>713442093
Yes it is? There is nothing stopping companies from building in central-server dependencies even to games designed for single players.

I remember this copping flak for being unplayable on 'launch' because of it

>>713442157
Nigger mentality. If you've never had a real culture you can't understand how valuable it is.

>>713442317
That's a (You) problem. I have no issue with these games dying and being forgotten.

>>713442091
but you gave these info to corpos to rent game licenses?

>>713442362
Sandniggers had a culture and they don't care either, and we give them a fuckton of money and power.

>>713442317
>I hope you all learn to stop hoping for anything positive
I haven't hoped for anything good to happen in the games industry for years, but I will keep fighting for good things to happen because apathy is death.

>>713441995
So are cars for car manufacturers, except the law forces them to publish diagrams and repair information. That's also why you can still buy parts for some car discontinued in the 60s.

>>713442390
Do you hop into every thread about things you don't care about to let people know you don't care about it

>>713441047 (OP)
So should we start killing games, then?

>>713442317
you should stop hoping that bureaucrats will solve your problem if you beg them enough, if you want something then take it into your own hands, might makes right, if you want to preserve a game then pirate it and save it on a pen drive

>>713441047 (OP)
It's solely the job of the consumer to self-regulate.

>>713441787
Did this actually happen?

>>713442317
oh no! I guess... I will have to resign myself to play only non-live service games... my god, only sadness remains....

>>713442317
Thanks but I will not eat the bugs and will die fighting.

>>713441251
I would've voted to keep killing games. :^)

I hate video games but I love reddit :^)

>>713442530
Piracy does nothing to save a game that's designed with a chunk of its brain on a computer at the dev's server farm

>>713442573
No, he strictly only molests female ferrets

>>713442568
Exactly, just like ozone layer thinning is the fault of the everyday consumers.

>>713441047 (OP)
>one whole hour of him making excuses for why he did next to nothing
This is /v/s guy?

>>713442214
There's no way that's actually real is it.

>>713442614
people have been pirating world of warcraft for decades, servers don't matter, you can pirate anything

>>713442691
He did more than anyone else. What else are you imagining he should/could have done?

>>713442691
>did next to nothing
Well yes, he is talking about you.

>>713442317
Pretty much
You can explain to someone clearly how they're being fucked in the ass, and that all they need to do is sign one thing and they could stop being assfucked forever and they still won't do it
>Optimism is for retards
- Freemans Mind

>>713442693
Told you it's inconceivable for you guys
It's also why Europeans don't understand the whole voter ID fraud thing
We get a letter telling us that we can vote for our district with our ID, cause the administration knows where you live

>>713442117
NTA but having to give up your intellectual property would be tantamount to having to rewrite the entire corpus of commercial law. Should that happen? Shit, I have no idea, I'm not expressing my opinions, but you can't just tell a company to release a trade secret without rewriting thousands of pages worth of laws.

>>713442214
The government also knows everything you do here, but some people are just delusional and think we are still living in some kind of wild west.

>>713442727
>This one multiplayer game has been pirated, therefore surely all of them can be
WoW in particular had a big leak of everything people needed to run their own servers many years ago

EU fails again. May as well give Baltics and Poland to Russia out of shame.

>>713441047 (OP)
The movement started with a game that nobody liked. This is where it went wrong because you could make a solid case for anything but The Crew 1.

Good fucking riddance to both. I bought that game at launch and I was glad to see it removed from my Ubislop library

>>713442347
Uhh, sure, I guess people were mad about the server dependencies, among 999 other things.

>>713442530
>"dude just get used to living like a slave!"
No. I WILL pirate all my media, and I will also use corpos own system against them at every available opportunity to improve the society that I live in.

>>713442821
Voter ID bullshit is purely a political issue, one of the parties is simply interested in having illegals vote. It could be easily solved.

>>713442317
>implying this shit was for the betterment of anything to begin with
The only positive thing to come out of this whole shitshow was its own HIV test and why you shouldn't hand out your information to wanabe authoritarian institutions just because some random retard has a youtube channel anbd tells you so.

>>713442917
>"um actually it's a good thing that I'm getting robbed, I didn't want my stuff anyway!"
Slave mentality.

>>713442981
Be that as it may, like I said the concept wouldn't even come up in Yurop

>>713442870
they all can be, if you want to preserve a multiplayer game then do the cracking yourself
>>713442943
that's what I'm saying that you should do THOUGH? who cares about what bureaucrats and company execs are doing, they'll never ever care about you, if you want something then take it, that's the only true way of living

>>713442928
All of which logically took a backseat to being literally unable to play it
>AVGN clip.mp4

>>713442831
Would it not be contextual and contestable in court on a case by case basis?
I'm not saying generally, I'm saying in a specific context in re an mmo of a certain kind of technical architecture, like that Anon expressed in their hypothetical.

>>713441047 (OP)
GOOD
I hope faggots learn the true way the market works, which is :

>STOP BUYING BAD PRODUCTS FROM SHITTY COMPANIES

As long as there are morons out there (including half of /v/ unfortunately) who keep buying this cancer-ware, then are companies truly at fault for selling them?

I wouldn't be caught dead giving money to buy any online-only single player game,
why are you keep buying it? are you absolutely retarded?

>>713441252
t. piratesoftware

>>713442530
Or maybe you could exercise your rights while doing the latter.

>>713442727
Ok, find me a working copy of DarkSpore

>>713442530
>if you want to preserve a game then pirate it and save it on a pen drive
*exists*

>>713441047 (OP)
>Retards cheering this
Why? Is it contrarianism, or are Americans that entrenched into the mindset of letting corporations fuck them in the ass?

>>713443117
>then are companies truly at fault for selling them?
yes and they should be punished, too bad that all lawmakers are 60 year olds who don't care about software regulations

>>713443052
>I want to hoard trash because it's my property!
You do you boo

>>713443136
vote all you want, it'll never matter
>>713443161
never heard of it, do the cracking yourself
>>713443168
for a few years, until the devs stop paying for the subscription

>>713443107
No. It's like forcing Coca Cola to give up their recipe. At most you could force them to release precompiled servers for players to host. The whole "just give us the code lmao" is beyond retarded

>>713442091
wtf the government is trying to steal my data????

Ross is a hack, can we finally admit it?

>>713441895
Means I don't owe them money then

>>713443239
>just give up and eat the bugs
no

>>713443191
>>713443245

>>713443191
From my experience arguing on this, the most common angle for hating on Ross's stance is hatred for government regulation. I've never been called a commie more on anything else than over this issue.

>>713443245
>At most you could force them to release precompiled servers for players to host
And that was literally what was being asked
The *only* requirement was that you could still play your game, how they achieved that would be up to the game company

>>713443245
>muh heckin' supar-sekrit code
lol

I love Ross, but he seems pretty naive to think this would ever work.

>>713443245
>It's like forcing Coca Cola to give up their recipe
Quite literally no, what is asked if for them to go away with online requirements for their games, or make it possible or play them offline after they shut down the servers, that's it, Ross isn't asking for ability to make private servers

>>713443117
The issue is goy is going to buy the slop regardless and more games will move to an online only model sometime down the line, the movement was about snipping the bud and preventing FUTURE games from being online only.

>>713443413
it doesn't help that he has the charisma and looks of a scarecrow

>>713441047 (OP)
Good, fuck commies.

>>713443191
Both.

>>713442129
American medical systems begs to differ.
It is ok to kill people unless they pay you off on time.
I find it hilarious that unitedhealthgroup
let a bill pass to screw them over because they couldn't stop themselves from fucking over 2 clients

>>713441252
if people would do what they wanted the humanity would collapse in an instant bc no one wants to put effort into shit

>>713443080
>who cares about what bureaucrats and company execs are doing
I care because I want the place I live to be better.
I want to live in a safe high-trust community where you don't have to worry about jews fucking you over whenever you want to buy a game.
I want to live in a world where the default response to being victimized isn't "haha you deserve it for not questioning everything you're told".
I want to live in a world where these criminals are punished instead of a world that shrugs its shoulders and says we should just bend over and be thankful that we're not getting assfucked as hard as the next guy.
I want corpo niggers to eat shit and die.

>>713443413
ok, whats your game plan then?

>>713443209
by the same logic tobacco and alcohol companies should be punished too?
you clearly have absolutely no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

the real world doesn't work like that you communist hippie idiot.

>>713443302
>I'm a retard who can't make an analogy
Thanks for sharing I guess?

>>713443245
Incorrect, it's like letting you drink the stock of vanilla coke you already own after they stop producing it
i.e. the thing you can do, because you actually own that bottle of vanilla coke

>>713441047 (OP)
The problem is that Ross is missing the big picture. He thinks the issue is that companies are evil and maliciously making games unplayable, when the reality is that they're hiring/outsourcing to brainlet thirdies that don't actually know how to code and are too retarded to implement locally hosted servers or an end of life plan.
Ross really should've advocated for companies hiring domestic labor on a skill basis.

>>713443245
Releasing the server code isn't that insane. Games would do that even without being legally obligated to. The complexity and valuable intellectual property is in the client code and its assets, the server code less so.
Regardless, my statement holds true. Patching an mmo to support "offline mode" is not as complicated as you think it is.
Run a minimal version of the server locally that can support a single player, connect to it.
If the company wants to do that, great. If they don't, release the source and anyone else can do it for them.

>>713443245
>It's like forcing Coca Cola to give up their recipe.
I know the anon you talked to said "release us the source code" but at least in the Intiative the idea was that they could code a server hosting software for games that are either going out of service or are being made to be live service.
It'd be like forcing Coca Cola to give you the concentrate to make a certain coca cola drink, not the formula.
not the formula to the drink
there's something called julmust in sweden that has a concentrate they use to make several types of julmust from several companies, but only one company owns the original concentrate
even coca cola once bought the concentrate to make their own local julmust
giving up the recipe would be like giving up the source code

>>713443302
People like you are a blight, and the reason why these initiatives fail. You're not even trying to understand, you're throwing a tantrum like a little child. You can fulfill the basic premise of stop killing games without even suggesting that companies should release their property. But because of people like you shitting down the drinking well, now the whole village is fucked.
You're like lolberts saying we don't need roads screwing over the whole libertarian party.


>>713443380
Yes, and no. As you can see here for example
>>713443302
>>713443385
>>713443436
>>713443542
the demand for source code was seen as part of the movement. Retards ruining it for everyone.

>>713441047 (OP)
bro sold his soul for a government entity that never noticed him in the end. sad.

>>713443117
>"um actually it's a good thing that parasites get to continue to exploit people!"

>>713443238
>>I want to hoard trash because it's my property!
Yes, and anyone who doesn't like that should go move to some commie shithole.

>>713443505
Politicians don't even do shit about actual popular issues, they'll never care about some obscure gaming thing. Getting daddy government to solve this was never going to work.

>>713443510
tobacoo and alcohol companies are already punished in several places in europe with restrictions on where they can sell, and being forced to do shit like putting the disgusting consequences of tobacco usage on their products

>>713443592
cliche brained zoomer detected

>>713441047 (OP)
Not like anything good would've come from this anyway
Remember how microtransactions and lootboxes were the thing killing games? Good thing they're gone now and replaced with battlepasses where you have to grind at a game like it's a sevond job
Big improvement guys

>>713441251
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ProCD,_Inc._v._Zeidenberg
Burgers lost by default. A precedent was set over 20 years ago that once you agree with the terms on the box or the EULA, you lose all right to challenge it. Most EULA say that they can allahakbar their server if they want at anytime.

>>713443245
>It's like forcing Coca Cola to give up their recipe.
Why are you lying? At this point there's no way you don't know that this isn't what Ross is asking for. So why are you continuing to lie about the initiative?

>>713443576
Different people want different things from these companies, but as for Ross himself he made it clear in his first big video on the matter than source code shouldn't be necessary to let games be saved after plug-pulling.

>>713443556
>release the source and anyone else can do it for them.
Adding to this, they wouldn't even have to go this far. If they have a protocol spec it would likely be enough if coupled with client patches that change the target server.

All Americans are cattle and should be treated as such

>>713443117
>STOP BUYING BAD PRODUCTS FROM SHITTY COMPANIES
That is not how it works you goddamn retard
Average person doesn't much care about this issue because they don't stick with more than one game, and companies have made a backdoor agreement with each other to do this shit as well, so they could make more money
This is a flaw of the free market really, because big corporations can just...make backdoor agreements where they don't compete with each other and gain such a stranglehold on their respective markets that competition can literally not happen

>>713443639
So... whats your plan?
Ross actually tried doing something, even if it was a long shot
What are YOU doing?

>>713443557
No, see the replies to my post. More than half the supporters of the initiative were demanding for source code and chimping out whenever anyone dared suggest that companies have a right to their intellectual property.
This is party Ross' fault for being autistic and not knowing how to manage a horde of screeching retards who should be kept always on a tight leash

Good.

>>713443706
>No, see the replies to my post. More than half the supporters of the initiative were demanding for source code and chimping out whenever anyone dared suggest that companies have a right to their intellectual property.
That's what the replies said, the actual initiative just asks for a means to host the game.

>>713443576

this whole thing was impotent the moment he thought he could mobilize euros to do anything meaningful.

>>713443606
Big words from a retard who lives like a third worlder

>>713443117
>MUH FREE MARKET
literally nobody is in favor of the unregulated free market anymore except for you anon

>>713441047 (OP)
>Thinking any venue is willing to hear him out about customer rights during late stage capitalism and on the brink of World War 3

Brave.

>>713442036
>>713442530
>>713443168
I don't think any Ubisoft games that use their Connect DRM have been cracked.

>>713443695
>shouldn't be necessary
Saying shouldn't be necessary opens the floodgates for retards to claim that it is. At the very least he should've stated in clear terms that nobody in the movement should even dare ask for source code.
He's too autistic to lead a movement, in an ideal world he should've paired with someone who can deal with people who agrees with him.

They cant even vote to stop murderous subsaharan muslim africans to stop invading their continent, and you thought you could vote in more consumer rights?

>>713441047 (OP)
Well that's a shame, I mean it was always a longshot and Ross knew that too, but still at least he tried
Shame it didn't get to any of the big boys on youtube and streaming but such folk probably are too rich to care

Thank god, don't have to hear about this anymore. Using The Crew, a game practically nobody played anymore, as the poster for this was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen in my life.

>>713441251
vote on what, your country doesn't have anything like the eu citizens initiative
you just obey companies and their lobbies while thinking you are "free"

>>713442036
You cannot pirate games that rely on a s central server. That's the whole point

>>713443830
Soul

>>713443859
All Ross ever directed people to do on this is sign petitionz

>open source your game code or else
hm... wonder why it failed...

>>713443764
The actual initiative is an incoherent mess of thoughts without any clear demands which opens the gates for anyone to think the initiative is what they want it to mean.

>>713443891
t.Slave

>>713441047 (OP)
it failed because it's not an issue that affects most people
and then you have retards like this absolute fucking moron >>713441252 that don't understand what the issue is and what can realistically be done about it, even thought they are some of the few people who would actually be affected

>>713443706
>More than half the supporters
So you take the word of random retards as gospel, despite the ACTUAL INITIATIVE saying the exact opposite? And it's somehow Ross's fault despite him saying literally DOZENS of times that he's not going after source code or anything else that will kill MMOs?

You're a liar, that's all there is to it. You're a bootlicker and you should be executed along with your masters.

You mean their histrionic and flat out dishonest arguments didn't convince adults that this was a problem?

>>WE HAD NO IDEA THAT THE GAME COULD POSSIBLY END ITS LIFE CYCLE AT SOME POINT
>Actually it says right here in the EULA that this can happen.
>>BUT I DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE EULA BEFORE I BOUGHT IT
>Yes you did, it's freely available online. Plus, you have the option to refund if you disagree with the EULA after purchase.
>>B-BUT I CAN'T BE EXPECTED TO READ A CONTRACT BEFORE AGREEING TO IT, WHAT IF IT SAYS THEY CAN KILL ME?
>That's silly, plus this argument is about informed consent. You can't claim that you weren't informed if you agreed to the contract.

Case closed. It's called personal responsibility.

>>713443929
What he did was try to start a movement without realizing that movements need management and clear demands.

>>713443932
Post where this was said.

>>713443459
kek. Funny and accurate.

>>713443830
Dunno what that image means and it's not a response to what I said. Go to China, now.

it's so fucking funny some /v/edditors are against because some fag from twitch said it's bad bro totally trust I have a decade long experience at blizz (where I did nothing the whole time bc my dad got me this job, but that's not important mkay)

>>713443891
The Crew is the game that set the precedent, dunno if it has happened since (paid game with a single player campaign that was rendered unplayable after the server was shutdown).

>>713441047 (OP)
>half dozen nobodies versus basically the entirety of the media including disney

Ross is a hack and I'm sick of him botting /v/ with posts about this shit. Glad it's dead.

>>713444017
EULA doesn't matter in the EU

>>713444017
>EULA
lol doesn't work in EU

>>713443980
The "initiative" is a bunch of hour-long videos of an ungly autist's face with bad lighting with nothing but incoherent meandering thoughts, and a website that tries to explain things in the vaguest terms imaginable. Then, the initiative means whatever anyone wants it to mean

did you see my mana? what am i supposed to do for you?

>>713443961
I think you should learn the meaning of slave. I'm not being forced to buy these shitty products.

>>713442593
Enjoy 99% of games being DRM'd to death in a decade

>>713444029
>clear demands
What about what he said is unclear?

>>713441047 (OP)
New game dungeon frickin when

>>713443891
This. Total Crew Death

>>713444029
He made concise clear videos outlining them

>>713441047 (OP)
I hope you are happy eurofags you killed games.

>>713444017
NA post

>>713444130
>in a decade
oh no!

>>713444109
the initiatve was pretty clear to anyone with over an IQ of 10

>>713444141
EVERYTHING
As evidenced from the fact that if you ask ten different people that the initiative means, they'll give you ten different answers. You retards don't even know how to demand things or negotiate. Vague thoughts are not demands or definitions of what you want. Vague thoughts are that, vague thoughts. You need concrete actionable demands that leave no room for doubt.

I'm glad euros weren't retarded enough to fall for this.

>>713444071
Doesn't matter. It's a game nobody cared about, of course people are going to shrug their shoulders when that is your leading argument.

>>713444129
You choose to let vidya get worse so you can smugly post about how you didn't buy the shitty vidya and how you are smarter than everyone else
You are the kind of person the AAA corporations want to exist, a slave who does not believe himself to be one and who talks down on those who want positive change

>>713444017
EULAs aren't legally binding. It's just a scary text.

I thought Euro's were better than Americans lmao.

>>713444130
my god! how will our childrens children play hidden gems like the division?!

>>713444181
They were neither clear, nor concise, nor watchable for anyone not immediately repulsed by his face and voice.

>>713444217
Unfortunately half the supporters of the initiative have negative IQ.

>>713441047 (OP)
concord showed that maybe devs shouldn't stop killing games

>>713444231
No one who watches his video manifesto can come away confused, he's incredibly clear on the matter including a predictive-FAQ section

>>713444280
Caring about online-only shit isn't going to make gameplay better.

>>713444043
My fault I misinterpreted that.

>Hey Picasso regulations say you need to add green paint to Guernica
>Hey Beethoven regulations say you need to use a harpsicord in this symphony
>Hey Wright Brothers this plane doesn't have the required number of safety belts we're going to have to demolish it
>Hey developer just add an entire single player offline mode even though the game isn't designed to work like that
Useless leeches like the eceleb shills ITT and the government thugs they are asking to make creative processes more difficult and less free ALWAYS stand in the way of positive progress.

>>713444325
Post more than 20 people who were confused by the Initiative's demands that actually read the FAQ.

>>713444338
And yet if you read this very same thread you'll see plenty of people thinking that demanding for source code was part of the initiative, so you cannot argue that it was clear. And you cannot argue that his videos are watchable, I'm sorry but he puts everyone off

>>713443891
>Go to the petition
>See the comments
>"The Crew seems like an underrated soulful masterpiece that I never got to play because Ubisoft is evil ugh! why are they pulling the plug on a game that died on arrival"

>>713444263
Which game you suggest they used? Because I don't think it has happened since. That's the entire point, it set a precedent and the initiative was about making the precedent illegal.

>>713444385

>>713444385
This guy doesn't play video games lol

forcing devs to do free work to shut down their games is retarded
S

>>713443245
>food analogy
kys retard

Imagine how stupid you'd have to be to think the movement had any chance of success lmao
Imagine being upset it failed when it was guaranteed to do so from day 1 lmeow
Couldn't be me!

>>713444385
>Hey developer just add an entire single player offline mode even though the game isn't designed to work like that
If the developer can host the online function for the game they should be able to code a consumer version using the code they already developed to host their Dev version of the game.
refer to: WoW private servers, which are all based on leaked reverse engineered beta server hosting

>>713444420
Bad logic, 'his videos must have been bad because there are people who wants things different from Ross'

>>713444363
Well too bad, Online Only DRM for ALL vidya
This is the world you chose

I’m so sad that a genuine grassroots effort to do something actually good was met with idiots, bad faith arguments and general apathy. Ross is too good for you, you faggots deserve the slop you get served.

MrBeast can get 100 million zoomers to watch retards flop about in slime but we can’t get a million signatures to make a positive change to the most profitable media enterprise on earth. Fucking GAY

>>713444385
good goy

The fact that /v/ celebrates and thirsts for developer firings whenever a B-tier game fails nowadays but literally just asking to own your shit results in people squirming out of the woodwork to say owning nothing and the developer being able to delete your purchase is good is interesting. Mass bait, astroturfing, or both? you decide.

>>713444420
>>713444541

>>713441919
You're god damn fucking right it does.

>>713441047 (OP)
I had no hopes, but I signed anyway since it was the right thing to do.

>>713444505
They put the noose on the game's neck in the first place, if they think taking it off is too much work they shouldn't slip it on in the first place

>>713444205
>can't into the future
Nigger mentality.

>>713444321
It'll be every game.

>>713444280
>You choose to let vidya get worse
How much worse can it get
>You are the kind of person the AAA corporations want to exist
A person who doesn't buy their products? I'm not smugposting when I don't buy something, I just don't buy. End of story, I'm not that chronically online

>>713444385
this board really is filled with conservatard propaganda from people who don't play videogames huh

>>713444389
Me, for once, because he didn't make even one single actionable demand. He said "companies should give us some way to play the games" okay? Then clearly people who support the initiative will make it mean whatever they want it to mean, including releasing code as seen in this very same thread.

>>713444516
His videos are bad because even if you can stomach them, you're left even more confused than before.

>>713441919
i hope not, he hasnt made a good one in multiple years now, he somehow managed to even ruin freemans mind

>>713444556
You have to understand, these types of people have nothing going on for them, they live in perpetual misery of their own creation and are too afraid to admit it, so they make up excuse and celebrate misery of others because "Hey, at least I'm not that guy!"

>>713442573
Google piratesoftware gay furry. I can't check which videos are lame giant red arrow dramafarms rn.

>>713444614
>How much worse can it get
We'll find out.

>>713441047 (OP)

>>713442917
this. nobody gives a fuck about this shit, I've never seen a single thread about this game and it had like 2k players on steam tops

>spam threads telling people to vote for this
>any criticism of the movement is met with autistic rage and accusations that everyone disagreeing with them is a paid shill from India
gee I wonder why a bunch of antisocial sperglords aren't put in charge of every marketing campaign

>>713444596
oh you want them to stop making games too, cool

>>713444613
What a loss....

>>713444756
point the posts out

>>713444762
Grr, if we can't build remote kill switches into our games, we just won't make games at all!
Thats a real petty hypothetical dev you've imagined

>>713441380
The sad truth of it all. Should've paid some poster boy to act like they cared.

>>713443576
seeing how games haven't had any innovation in almost two decades, there's literally nothing in source code that's worth jealously protecting. Every game developer thinks they're John Carmack but they're not ... not by a longshot.

>>713441047 (OP)
Good games end up getting preserved by the community, bad games don't.
>>713441919
lol
no

>>713444875
then why do you need it?

>>713442870
if you're referring to the pirated alpha version, that was still just a binary that had to be reverse engineered. the "leak" only provided early access to the client, while the nature of the work would have been the same even if it had only started after retail. you either care enough to do the work or you don't.

>>713444875
you didn't understand a single think I said
You're partly the reason why these movements fail, because of retards like you

>>713444875
>it's shit so why do they care
why do you care?

>>713444756
by criticism I mean repeating shit said by thor that were addressed ages ago in the comments section (thor deleted them of course, can't let his zoomers see different opinions and decide for themselves)

>>713444596
>put someone on your shoulders to give them extra height
>eventually decide to let them down because you're not obligated to do this the rest of your life
>let them know in advance they're being set down
>NOOOOO YOU KILLED THEM

>>713444636
>He said "companies should give us some way to play the games" okay?
It's clarified clearly in the FAQ that it means giving the ability to play the game after service has ended, either by allowing the players to host it or for them to at least go unpunished for inventing their own ways of hosting it.
The thing about the initiatives is that they're supposed to be negotiated by the EU for consumers with companies so it's not stomping all over the market for no reason.
Realistically, if it went to the EU to look at, they'd probably go with something that would actually work in practice like
>If you make an online game, include the software to host the game once the company's service for it ends
And then they'd design games with that function in mind from then on.
This was incredibly clear to me since I actually read the initiative.

>>713444756
Alright then, what is your actual criticisms towards the movement. No bullshit, no buzzwords, no shitflinging and lets have an actual debate.

>>713444875
Well they had some stuff, like the Nemesis System in Shadow of Mordor...that Warner Bros decided to just sit on doing nothing
Of course that assumes that the code IS demanded, which it never was by Ross and his petitions and stuff, all of that is either made up and taken from actual retards

>>713441380
I mean, look at the OP picture. Half bald, ungroomed hair, shitty moustache and overgrown soul patch and chest hair peeking out from his shirt. Nigga doesn't even know how to make himself look presentable.

>>713442285
Thays called always online you fucking retard

>>713444952
I remember hearing about another MMO where some passionate fans hired a fucking encryption expert just to decode the packet info or somesuch so they could reverse engineer server software from scratch

Its great when dedication like that exists but going above and beyond like that shouldn't be necessary just to fix a product we paid for.

>>713444983
I didn't sign it so I don't.

>>713441047 (OP)
>The entire hooplah mainly concers mega developers like EA and Ubisoft
...just dont buy their shit games?

>>713445005
What is anon talking about?

this board is full of ragebaiting mindbroken goycattle KEK

glad i pirate and emulate my vidya library, enjoy not owning anything

>>713445026
I'm sorry, I do think you have good intentions but you don't know how to negotiate or make demands. His FAQ is a showcase for how not to make a manifesto. It's like a textbook example of doing it wrong.
If you can't see how what you're saying is vague then I can't even discuss with you because you wouldn't even understand the value of turning those sentences into actionable demands.

>>713441047 (OP)
All the good games released 2 decades ago.

>>713444923
The quality of a game is irrelevant.

>>713445005
Did you put the noose on though? Thats what matters.
Do not ignore this choice on the part of the devs. They have to put in extra effort and go out of their way to build in central server dependency that will eventually kill it.

>>713444950
>>713444983
being able to modify it so it can run on newer systems for cases in which newer systems won't run the older binary

Oh no not my current year always online games.

>>713441047 (OP)
That was expected. You have one youtuber and a bunch of European gamers vs. a bunch of multibilliondollar corporations that control huge parts of social media. Still it warms my heart that there at least a few hundred thousand European gamers that care and are hardcore enough to vote with their actual European IDs for this..

>>713444451
Then there is no right choice. If it's only being done by Ubisoft, to games nobody cares about, it's just too small of a precedent. You can't motivate people by talking about doomsday scenarios, but your only evidence is something that small.

>>713443117
You’re outnumbered. Slop is what sells, my brother still picks up the new nba game yearly despite it playing the same since the ps2. Its like a status thing, people have to have it because godforbid if you don’t. I think their greatest pleasure is telling their friends they picked it up than actually playing it
Its the mindset of a child and most people have it

>>713443320
It's on the sticky on their discord server, one of the reasons to give when pressed on the issue.

>>713445168
Explain how it is wrong since I clearly seem to have gotten the idea of the Initiative while you didn't. This speaks poorly of your reading comprehension and understanding of what an initiative is in the context of the EU.
>If you can't see how it isn't vague
How is it vague? It's a starting position in a negotiation. They outlined the problem: Not being able to play shit you paid for and expect to keep
And offered the simple solution: Package hosting software or at least allow players to develop their own hosting software legally
If you're so good at negotiation and manifestos, please put forth what your version of the Initiative would say to make it "clearer"

>>713445306
Wow, I can't believe they gave their IDs to the government that already has all their information. That's crazy.

>>713445026
>means giving the ability to play the game after service has ended, either by allowing the players to host it or for them to at least go unpunished for inventing their own ways of hosting it.
Which is vague, incoherent and imprecise.
How I would've framed it
>What we're asking for
Executables to run a game server after end of service.
Legally allowing users to make their own server software, by themselves, without the company's help, and running them.
>What we're not asking for
That companies should go out of their way to build specific software for users to run the servers.
That companies should be forced to release any intellectual property whether that be internal documentation, code, or toolchains.

You don't just have to ask for what you want in broad terms, you have to describe it in atomic units, and you also have to describe what you are not asking for.

>>713445349
So what? Just buy games you want to play.

>>713444556
The only thing the working class hates more than rich people, is other working class people.

>>713445306
>hardcore enough to vote with their actual European IDs for this..
Oh no! Now government will know all the information in my government ID!

>>713441380
well that is obvious to everybody besides dysgenic autists. Which is most of 4channel.org.

Ross is a victim of not realizing how stupid his enemies are.

>>713445392
Hey, you have no idea how lazy some people are.

>>713445430
The point is, the industry is fucked and theirs nothing you can do. Voting with your wallet is simply not a real thing, i also only pirate old ass jrpgs at this point

>>713441047 (OP)
Maybe you'll finally understand why "vote with your wallet" is a saying.

>>713445382
It's vague because "releasing source code" is part of the whole set of things that what those demands entail. If you say A, but A can imply A, B, C, or D, either you describe that B, C, and D are not part of A, or you find a way to describe A so that B, C, and D are not compatible with it.

Another hallmark in the history books as to when exactly gaming got worse. Lowering the bar once again.

>>713441665
Do you think he raped a ferret to death in celebration?

>>713445514
>Voting with your wallet is simply not a real thing
Yes, you can buy games you want. If they are successful they will make more like it. Voting with your wallet has never meant that things you personally don't buy will disappear.

All those retarded normies crying about not getting a ps5 for a year went quiet because theirs nothing to actually play on the ps5 even now half of its lifespan in. Why were they crying? Because they can then tell their friends they have a ps5.
That's literally it and thats why consumerism is a plague

>>713441047 (OP)
>It failed.
No shit. there's a war in eastern europe, israel and iran are firing rockets at each other, global climate change is cooking the planet, housing is unaffordable, we're still in the middle of a pandemic, and LGBTQ rights are being destroyed in front of our very eyes and this retard wants everyone to just drop everything so that they can force a nearly bankrupt company to turn on the servers to their dead 10 year old racing game? What the fuck did he think was going to happen? Ross is a textbook narcissist if he thought this was going anywhere.

>>713445565
Too bad so sad, PirateSoftware will always be remembered as the George Washington of saving gaming while Ross Scott will forever be consigned to history as another shitty Benedict Arnold.

gg losers ;^)

Piratesoftware is a paid shill with a well catered script and a manipulated algorithm for maximum exposure. He can't argue with Ross, but he won because of textbook corporate manipulation.

>>713445519
You don't actually need the source code to entail any of those demands. You just need the legal ability to reverse engineer a game for the purpose creating server hosting software.
Also none of this changes the very simple fact that it's an initiative to be negotiated. It already lists several things that can be done, what makes sense in practice is up to the EU to decide after consulting with the industry. Putting these options on the table to make it clear what works and doesn't makes sense to me.

>>713444556
funny because the entirety of /v/ shitposts about "you'll own nothing and be happy" all the time and when this thing came half of /v/ went against it
>>713443117
>I hope faggots learn the true way the market works, which is :
>>STOP BUYING BAD PRODUCTS FROM SHITTY COMPANIES
I hope you grow up because everyone knows this and it's absolutely meaningless. You can't do anything about it, sure, you can just not buy the game, but that won't stop a billion of other retards from making a purchase.

>>713445821
Proofs?

>>713445830
ohmyfuckinggod im out

>>713445732
But the things you like are in the same market and are influenced by what makes money.
Gacha is now everywhere because bored normies at work played it and video game series without gacha now introduce it because why not. It clearly works
Same thing happened with season passes
Map packs
Loot boxes
Hell whole genres loved by retards seep into everything, remember when everything had a tact on battle royale mode.
Fucking tetris had one, the only fzero game in 2 decades is one

>I do think he is someone who would of defended the divine right of Kings hundreds years ago, but i wish him no ill will
Thor-bros.... we keep losing

>>713441380
this is why NEET is justice. imagine slaving away at something, even something you believe in and not just for wagie bux, just to fail: all because people don't want to fuck your weird face. No thanks, I'll take my fleeting pleasures from society and contribute nothing back, thank you very much.

>>713441252
Games that are out are already a lost cause, any new laws wouldn't apply to them. The point is to prevent future games from dying.

>>713445762
>global climate change is cooking the planet
https://scitechdaily.com/antarcticas-astonishing-rebound-ice-sheet-grows-for-the-first-time-in-decades/
???

>>713445837
>funny because the entirety of /v/ shitposts about "you'll own nothing and be happy" all the time and when this thing came half of /v/ went against it
Yes, I know who will save us from the WEF menace: EU bureaucrats!

>Nepo baby ruined everything.

>>713441251
Asmongold says it's a companies right to shut down their servers so I also think a company has a right to shut down their servers

>>713445982
If only someone had destroyed his voice modulator, then we could have survived...

>>713445762
Good one but people legitimately think like this, it's alarming

>>713445982
Wrong. Don't blame him blame his dick sucking audience. If the dick suckers didn't exist he'd had no power.

>>713445953
wow you are right, you know what, instead, you should make another sick "you'll own nothing" thread and circlejerk the same thing for a millionth time, that'll do us good, right

>>713445982
>my dad is the south park guy, you know the guy whos supposed to represent the average shut in nerd
>shows pic of his dad
>looks nothing like the South Park character
What even was the point?

>>713446042
As does Ross. But he also says that when they do so, they should also release a binary to allow customers to run their own servers. Or just make the game fully playable offline. Either way.

>>713446268
Multibillion cant be expected to do the bare minimum like make sure their products actually work

>>713445953
100% sister I just gave $100 to THOR YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>713445891
I asked if you could give me a version of what the Initiative could be to be clearer. Can you do that at least?

>>713441252
70 iq post

>>713442573
https://x.com/LyricWulf/status/1933215907675029718

Oh well. I did my part... Shame it wasn't enough.

You will own nothing and die poor. And that's what you deserve.

>>713445982
>>713446108
Heh, your post put into American logic would be something like this
>JUST STOP WATCHING BAD STREAMS FROM SHITTY STREAMERS AND THE PROBLEM GOES AWAY!!!

>>713445867
Nah. You sound disingenuous.

>>713446385
>>713445420

>>713441380
That's fucking right what an ugly piss of shit look at this dude. Wait you were talking about Ross LMAO. HAHAHAHAHA

>>713446148
I don't make those threads retard, the people spamming stop killing games do

>>713444017
EULA Doesn't change the law of real countries.

>>713446535
I thought that was another poster. In that case I'll say that you put this things clearly and I don't really disagree.

>>713442000
He's not wrong. Go on look at them. You've got nogs who are inherently ugly and baldie. That's the top outside of female whores.

>>713446540
Cute, what's her name?

The more I learn about this buttpirate hardware, the less I care for him.

Dedicated users, fans and amateur developers would slowly but surely hijack entire games from their companies, with absolutely zero ill intent and by sheer virtue of offering a better product for infinitely more value (free) in a Steam-esque manner (Monopoly from legitimately superior products)
No company would be able to sell remakes again unless they had the effort of a new title, which obviously they do not want to do.

Even if this thing had popular appeal it would never have survived the onslaught of publishers.

>>713445762
So, what are you actively doing to fix these problems right now?
And why are you even mentioning "LGBTQ rights" as an issue when people are literally dying all over the world so it's insignificant in comparison and thus shouldn't be worth pursuing according to yourself?

If we can only work on the biggest perceived issues I sincerely hope you're actively ignoring all your problems and just donating all your money and effort towards Israel and Iran as you mentioned, in fact why aren't you there to help?

>>713445762
>there's a war in eastern europe
What? Since when?

>>713446751
>No company would be able to sell remakes again unless they had the effort of a new title, which obviously they do not want to do.
They could always make expansion packs.

>>713445943
Antarctica is wrong, chud.

>>713446856
Vladimyr, please.

>>713446775
myaneeeeee......

>>713446591
At least there was a purpose to spamming the SKG threads i.e. they needed the signatures and awareness, when niggas on 4chan post epic ownership threads they just want to feel good about themselves for posting the same opinion everyone agrees with over and over again, literally for years

>>713441047 (OP)
Can he stop botting /v/ now?

>>713445762
>LGBTQ rights are being destroyed in front of our very eyes
he thought he was sneaky putting that in the middle of the post nonchalantly kekekekekekkek

>>713446937
Fuck....

>>713445762
>MUH POLITICS
>ALSO LOOK AT THIS AISLOP VIDEO
Go back.

>>713445762
wtf is this real!?

it wasn't even subtle bait

>>713441459
supreme court justices are unelected, we basically had zero say over that

>needed 1 million signatures by end of July 2025
>had a full year to do so
>not even 500k at this point
how the fuck can you have that much trouble finding 1 mil sigs in the EU

>>713441268
this, anyone who relies on the government for prohibitions deserves the boot.

>>713447792
Did you watch the video, or are you an attention slut? Do you want my fat cock up your asshole like the ADHD sissy you are, or are you an ignorant fat-assed bitch who is scared of big, thick, throbbing hour-plus videos?

>>713447792
He speaks only English. There are other languages in Europe. He had difficulty reaching out to non-English speaking communities.

>>713441047 (OP)
Good. Out with the old in with the new. AAA companies waste enough money and dev energy without wasting more keeping dead games and flops alive for some sperg who just can’t let them go.

>implying eurocuck governments would do something even if it somehow got enough sigs

>>713447947
>Did you watch the video
i did not watch your ad no

>>713447960
>There are other languages in Europe

>EUistan has less than a million English-speaking citizens left...
jesus

>>713447947
I'm not watching a homeless man behind a greenscreen cry about GRID1 being unplayable. Get a hold of yourself

>>713444017
>EULA reads that the developers legally own my soul and all my possessions
>"Well you didn't read through it and clicked yes, that's on you honey now bite the pillow I'm coming in dry."

>>713448391
Literally a (You) problem buddy you didn't read the contract before signing

>>713446391
For people who don't want to go on the site, PirateSoftware has near daily several hour long calls with a gay furry.
Pic related comes from a longer video showing chatlogs and proving it is the real PirateSoftware, shows the discord account was made in 2015, stuff like that.
>Despite deleting all your messages piratesoftware, you cannot delete the history of calls that we shared together AFTER my erotic roleplay messages, despite you claiming to end our relationship after "rejecting my advances". That's why you even called me yourself, right Thor?
>That's why you even started these 10 HOUR calls, right Thor? Cause he "rejected me", right Shaye?
>This is unedited discord footage btw, that's your account piratesoftware, it even has the exact same date of creation.

>Shaye, I guess despite you and Thor being people with "a speck of higher thought", you forgot all about how discord logs your call history and who started it

The claim is also that Pirate Software deleted all his messages in the DMs, which is why it's only calls.

>>713448329
Just your typical European stubbornness.

>>713448391
>>There needs to be a warning that a game might not be playable thousands of years in the future
>The warning is right here in the contract you agreed to
>>LOL I don't read warnings
wow I wonder why your gay little movement failed

I like that you can be a 100% sure that anyone that argues against it is extremely tech illiterate.

>>713448547
If willingly putting the boot on their head is stubbornness then sure.

>>713448658
No, just Ancaps who get upset at the thought of companies having responsibilities to not sell people broken products

libertarians once again ruining everything.

Is that ferret fucker pedophile PirateSoftware the most insufferable cunt in the world?

>Be European
>Actively think Stop Killing Games is a good initiative
>Don't vote because it's clear as day it's gonna fail

Thank god my name isn't tied to this autistic shit

Reminder to thank your local rabbi for their service

>>713441251
anon the last time burgers got to vote they elected the orange faggot maniac, ask MIGAs what they think about that
the whole point of the muttoid existence is worshipping niggers and sending billions to israel, they are too cucked to be allowed to vote

F, it should have done more outside of Europe.

>>713441047 (OP)
>do something
>lose
Wtf? That’s not how it’s supposed to work.

>>713441047 (OP)
So?

>>713449796
You literally cannot do anything outside Europe because the US has free markets and no customer rights.

>>713441175
The Europeans failed.

i do not want to preserve shitty games
i want to kill shitty games
i'd love to kill shit eating gamers, but that is unfortunately not an option
this is the only other available choice

>>713445762
>there's a war in eastern europe,
literally not my problem
>israel and iran are firing rockets at each other
good, hope they glass tehran and tel aviv
>global climate change is cooking the planet
nigga just buy an AC
>housing is unaffordable
mommy let's me stay in the basement free of charge and doesn't ask to pay rent, love you mum
>we're still in the middle of a pandemic
kek
>and LGBTQ rights are being destroyed in front of our very eyes
this gay ass shit is not my problem tbqh
>his retard wants everyone to just drop everything so that they can force a nearly bankrupt company to turn on the servers to their dead 10 year old racing game?
yes faggot, because that's what's actually important to me

>>713441251

>>713449953
There's probably plenty of people here who think whatever games you like are shitty and deserve to be killed

>>713450060
>shits himself in front of the ww2 vets
subliminal messaging?

I know most of the thread is bait, but its almost reassuring to know there is literally goycattle on this site that will call you a jew in other threads for disagreeing with them but are probably posting things like "wow good thing I didn't vote" like the good goyslopper they are. At least now I know for sure I own nothing but it stings regardless.

>>713443830
At a certain point why doesn't it cross their minds that maybe they should get a large trash can for their desk?

>Playing modern games
Deserved. Return to /vr/.

>hey don't buy shitty liveservice slop and Denuvo games, they are bad for the industry
>lol cope poorfag I will buy what I want
>AAAAAAAAA NOOOOO THEY ARE SHUTTING DOWN THE SHITTY LIVESERVICE AND ONLINE ONLY DENUVOSLOP I BOUGHT HELP ME GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!
You get what you deserve niggers

>>713449703
>anon the last time burgers got to vote they elected the orange faggot maniac, ask MIGAs what they think about that
reminder there are only 2 options in 2024 pres election
the orange menace
VS
the black beast

Supporting Ross would have been jewish.

>>713450468
>he thinks consumer control of the free market is a real true thing and can possibly be directed in the right direction when the gambling industry which is predicated on actually just stealing your money is this healthy

also quick reminder that the ship has sailed
you lost the fight for ownership like 15 years ago, that's when all those petitions should have been made instead of kvetching and bitching online
the whole monetization system of games is already built they way it is and it's planned much ahead in the future, they wouldn't change a thing even if a law actually was passed (it wouldn't, the whole point was to get a discussion in the EU parliament on the topic, it doesn't mean a law would be actually mid which is an entirely different and more complex proccess)
so yep
>physical media gone on pc, xbox, partially on the switch, soon to be gone on playstation
>every second game is live service trash that can potentially be killed in either 1 year or a decade, you never know, and once the shop closes you lose access to everything
you lost retards, just like you lost right to pair and whatever luddites call that shit and I'm laughing at you coping about it because you literally defenseless to change anything
>inb4 I will vote with my wallet or some shit
all major western countries are currently getting flooded with low impulse control low iq brownoids who would gladly use the wealth that you transfered to them to shop for skins on fifa or in some gacha game, if this cancer monetization model was actually that bad nobody would play those game, except people do and will continue to do so for years to come

Honestly this would've passed perfectly fine if it was sold as "Single player games that have forced online is bad" instead of this weird, wanting every single game ever to be accesible to you forever.

>>713450105
all the games i love have already been killed

>>713450747
>neutral pepe stare
>insanely infuriating comment
a classic combination my friend

>>713450689
You have the same terrible vidya market in front of you that we do, anon, don't know what you're laughing at
>I don't buy new games
Then its still affecting you

>>713450647
Please I beg you stop feeding trolls, you're literally arguing with people who don't care and/or have nothing better to do than to make shit up for just one (You). This has been going on for this entire campaign, its almost insane that people can show up on a video games discussion board and be openly against game preservation. New games fucking suck and I don't give my money to them, but sometime down the line something I would be interested in will be cucked because of the online only features. The subhumans who make these posts do not care about video games, game preservation or anything for that matter. This a game of getting attention and people still willingly play with them.

>>713450647
You don't need consumer control to be real retard. The moment I hear Denuvo, liveservice, onlineonly I ignore the game completely. Why would I care if a retard game bought by retards gets shut down? Stop buying slop, retard.

>>713450747
Why's it weird?
Quake, Halo, Age of Empires, these online multiplayer games will work and run forever. Why should we be fine with losing that standard?

>>713441919
THE MOVIE

>>713450910
>Then its still affecting you
no it doesn't
anon I have enough movies, tv shows, manga, anime, games and literature made/written before 2011 that one lifetime would simply be not enough to experience all that
read the last part of the post anon, the vidya market will be the last of your concerns in the near future, protip: a bigger group will seek to dominate the the smaller group, and the group that has enough fighting age males will win
now open any demographics chart and sort by ethnicity of any western country, enjoy

>>713445837
I don't want the government in my video games. Simple as.

>>713451005
We lost that standard when running a server meant it's hanging off 50 different proprietary services instead of just an executable.

>>713441047 (OP)
How big of a loser do you have to be to have ever thought this would have worked?

>>713441919
hahahahahaha

>>713450747
anon they tried to latch on right of repair which is a more generic topic, a boomer politician doesn't even know what video games are

>>713451189
By the devs' choice

>>713451008
I love Ross but at his snail's pace the movie will never happen.

>>713442317

>>713450460
>to /vr/.
>a board that doesn't permaban 6th gen fags
nah

>>713451445
7th gen fag here, I will be shitposting on your bard soon and you will do nothing about it

>>713451341
>Why can't me make fire anymore to make of food, oven too complicated

>>713450958
Then try complaining about online only single player games instead of complaining that the 20 peak playerbase liveservice slop got shut down, dumb nigger

>>713451563
Not sure about that comparison, pretty much everything that can be cooked on an oven can be cooked on a fire instead, whereas not every game designed with central servers can be run on dedicateds.

>>713441047 (OP)
>They tried to have a Reddit but the mods there kept deleting the page and the only pages that were allowed were hostile to the project.
What the fuck, I thought of all places that cuckold website would be in favour of this project considering it is for consumer rights and against 'big corporations'.

many months ago i told pewdiepie to his face to look into stop killing games and he acknowledged it but looks like he didnt care
i tried my best

>>713452110
ghislaine maxwell was a head mod of reddit

>>713452110
>what do you mean I can't spam every video game board with my incoherent eceleb campaign?????

>>713452110
It was being spammed everywhere every day

>>713452208
Truth nuke

>>713452209
>t. PirateSoft

>>713452110
>reddit is for this shit campaign
I know that I will be against this just for that. Fuck reddit.

>>713452241
>everywhere
No, just here.

>>713452241
>It was being spammed everywhere every day
Nope. Literally all big streamers and youtubers were super silent on it since publishers have them in their pockets. If anyone was ever doubting that streamers and youtubers are on the payroll of publishers this should have shown everyone how things really are.

>>713452110
reddit is a corporation
and will defend other corporations

I don't understand why this Blizzard Nepo baby was so vehemently against the project? Does he have a dog in the race?
https://youtu.be/HIfRLujXtUo?si=aFh_4KxEEDXcAGtR&t=1136

>>713452703
He works for a publisher

>>713452407
>Virtue signaling after everything's already said and done

>>713452830
Ah that makes sense, he has the appearance of a solo dude but behind the scenes he's working for a big company that would be hurt by this. These people, that is PirateSoftware and those like him are scummy as fuck.

>>713452703
Ross put a clip of PS streaming diablo 4 solo and glazing it.

>>713444017
>EULA
burger moment

>>713453073
>>There was no warning the game could shut down eventually!
>yes there was right here
>>N-NO THAT DOESN'T COUNT, THE REDDIT ECELEB SAID SO, JUST LOOK AT THIS WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE FOR SOME CASE THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND

>>713444017
Hey Thor or whatever your real name is, you suck Ferret cock.

The window has shifted so hard, there are people who think that games 'shutting down' at all is an acceptable thing that's not outrageous in itself

>>713453575
Yeah but most people are spineless cowards who defer their responsibility for thinking to an authority figure in this case a Youtuber like PirateSoftware rather than think for themselves.

>>713453575
Games being online is the problem in the first place.

Oh, bingo btw

>>713454069
congrats, your side finally won something

>>713453331
I hope one of the EULAs you sign will send you to coal mines so you could rethink the concept of what a EULA should be

>>713441047 (OP)
Good. G*mers don't deserve anything good.

>>713441459
>corpos
I know what you are.

>>713449703
>orange faggot maniac
He's the best President we've had in decades, keep crying because you didn't get someone else who would allow you to walk all over us like you did during these past few years.
>worshipping niggers
What? Keep that /pol/ shit out of here.
>sending billions to israel
We haven't sent them a dime, they pay us for weapons that they use to kill our enemies.
>they are too cucked
Yeah right, you're probably some britbong

>>713454582
holy shit

imagine the kino that could be created with the SOURCE CODE...

>>713455482
Can I use your post when I get suicidal and need attention from strangers on the internet?

>>713445930
Yeah same
>slaving away at something, even something you believe in
I was that cuck, and as soon as big tech realized they could just exploit everyone's shit to make slop without consequences, suddenly nobody cares, so fuck em

>>713446487
It went away for me.

a respectfull scream for all the always online games we lost.... and all the always online game we will lost...

>>713442619
Oh so hes a Limealicious fan

It is always empowering knowing I actually walked the walk, talked to lawyers, provided written statements and did my part when most 16 year olds on /v/ post anime pictures while saying "nah bro that'll never work." while having no clue at all.
Like genuinely, that ability to see yourself as superior compared to the rest is rare in this day and age and i will cherish it.

>need a gazillion signatures for your gov YOU'RE PAYING EVERYDAY OF YOUR LIFE to start doing something useful
The absolute state

>>713457453
Hi Ross

>>713457467
>doing something useful
That's the best part: "this is not a 'real' problem" *throws away the petition*.

>>713457453
did it work though? Cuz if not, then the 16yo was kind of right...

>>713457115
that webm is meaningless without the sound, retard gorilla nigger

>>713441047 (OP)
>[You are pathetic]
>[I don't even know who you are]
I SAY "UBISOFT"

YOU SAY "WON"

>UBISOFT

>>713441047 (OP)
WTF?!
So any and all hope of us ever playing Concord again is gone for good???

>>713458262

>stop killing games is kill
>no

>>713458303
WON

>>713458303
mwahh the french

>>713458057
Last update I got from BLG was 2nd of June. Originally messaged them back around November of last year in regards to destruction of gacha games since my original copy/paste document ross gave out didn't get any bites, but shifting it to mobile gaming due to how lucrative it is, while also being able to piggyback on the EPIC vs Apple courtcase gave them optimism on being able to make a case for ensuring all mobile games within reason are given an offline mode with examples like MegamanXDIVE

I don't blame Ross for not wanting to do this. I don't even have his background on learning legal in school. Being a consultant on this fucking blows but at least I know i'm doing it for a good case.

>>713458409
The point wasn't to revive Concord, it was to prevent future games from suffering Concord's fate.

>>713455482
who’s a good goy? you are

>>713441251
If this communism initiative didn't get enough votes in europe, it sure won't get it in the freedom country

>>713441047 (OP)
>FUCK YEAH LET'S GIVE UP OUR SOVEREIGN RIGHTS SO THAT GAMES LIKE CONCORD DON'T FADE FROM EXISTENCE AFTER THEY FLOP
i hate yuropoors so much

>>713458646
wait wtf, Ross went to Law school? I thought he was a graphic designer or someshit.

>>713448450
Contracts that contain unlawful clauses are illegal and will result in a ruling in the other side's favor.

>>713454582
>congrats, your side finally won something
Did they won their gay ass virtue signal Olympics. Are games studios still losing money every month because of retards. Also yes Topkek.

>>713458303
I SAY SANDFALL
YOU SAY "WON"

>SANDFALL

>>713459101
Not law school but Ross' undergrad was a bachelor's in criminal justice.

>>713454069
>>713456179
>>713458754
To be fair commies don't buy games and are still massive faggots and cringe.So nothing has changed.

>games that no one cared about shut down by companies
>"let's make an initiative to save them"
>no one cared about the initiative either and it died
No one could have predicted this.

>>713459101
its in the video.

>>713458853
>Pay for X
>X can be taken away by the company that sold it
>This is good
Amerimutts truly are slaves.

>>713441047 (OP)
>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HIfRLujXtUo&pp=ygUQc3RvcGtpbGxpbmdnYW1lcw%3D%3D
Here's the link niggers faggots

>>713441874
No they dont. Mmos are games as a service
Stop killing games is about not being able to pull the plug on games as goods

>>713459657
Oh thanks god this failed then, I sure don't want to push companies to release more "games as a service" games

maybe dont have the crew as a headlining game, do something people actually care about

>People cheering at not being allowed to own anything
You deserve all the shit you are getting. enjoy your barely started live service slop.

>>713460032
Such obvious gaslighting. Gamers don't want some paper pusher in Belgium telling game developers what games they can and can't make.

>>713459571
I'm saving it for my dinner. Apologies.

>>713460197
I don't want brown people telling me what I do or don't want either, yet here you are, faggot.

>>713444017
Corpo cocksucker moment

>>713460282
So you don't have any good arguments. Guess that's why you lost so decisively.

>>713460346
Why would I argue with a brownoid? That's like punching a child. You're beneath me.

>>713441047 (OP)
gaming is kill

>>713460420
I guess you were saving all of your convincing arguments for after the initiative failed

The Threads Official Theme Song https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F_JF8oSxXtM&pp=ygUSdGhlIGdhbWUgbW90b3JoZWFk

>>713445953
then I don't want government protecting intellectual property
Make the playing field equal

>>713441665

>>713443117
>bad company receives investment from angel investors that want to launder their tax evasion money
>bad company continues to make games
Not a single bad company has gone under, they just change hands. The "free market" is a meme.

>>713460501
Cool, you're still brown. No matter how much you work for your white masters, you'll stay brown.

This threads Anime Ending
>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ7g69CJyt8&pp=ygUWeW91IHJlYWxseSBnb3QgbWUgZXZlNg%3D%3D

>>713441047 (OP)
Thor is such a faggot
Ross won

>>713459914
The thing is the list of games actually affected by the initiative is tiny because most developers already follow the logic of stopkillinggames without being told to
If fortnite, apex legends, valorant, counterstrike, world of warcraft, etc suddenly shut down and became unplayable that would be completely legal
When concord, a one-time-purchase online only game, shut down within a month of release with almost no notice, they refunded everybody.

The filthy mongrel Pirate Software shall pay back a hundred times the damage done.

>>713460901
You do realize it's an oingo boingo song, right? Why would you post some cringe cover?

I can't believe a bunch of internet spergs with no understanding of economics or law weren't able to convince normal people that the government needed to intervene here. Maybe they should autistically screech about brown people more next time.

>>713461548
>

>>713461410
>You do realize it's an oingo boingo song, right? Why would you post some cringe cover?
Ok here's an Oingo Bingo song.
>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VtM2WSFv4UI&pp=ygUdZGVhZCBtYW4ncyBwYXJ0eSBvaW5nbyBib2luZ28%3D
Happy now

>>713443502
not gonna happen as long as jews and women are allowed human rights

>>713461725
Not really. I already felt a second-hand embarrassment for you and it cannot be undone.

>>713461643
My side won and your side failed miserably. Maybe you should ask yourself why.

>>713442530
I have a better idea

>>713461912
>My side won and your side failed miserably. Maybe you should ask yourself why.
you tell'em

>>713461912
I don't have a side as I stopped buying games a long time ago.

>>713461886
>Not really. I already felt a second-hand embarrassment for you and it cannot be undone.
Here's your Prize a Date with Emiru's socks congrats anon.

>>713461912
>My side won
Good job anon, we maintained our right to lose access to the videogames we paid for, 10/10

>>713441047 (OP)
maybe if he didnt plaster his ugly dysgenic face to it it wouldnt have failed

>>713461410
It's originally a Kinks song you gorilla nigga

>>713462152
Who?

>>713455482
>Another endless war in the middle east is a good thing to get involved in
>It's actually good that Russia invaded Ukraine so they can steal all their natural resources and sell them to China
>Israel is actually a valuable ally and almost an extension of the United States
>The tariff trade nonsense that lasted all of 3 months actually magically earned the US $500 McBillion Dollars
Any American citizen with the slightest bit of national pride has already admitted they had a bit of a retard moment last election.

>>713462420
Makes leftist like you seethe, he's ok in my book.

>>713454582
Nobody won, we all lost. Nice job!

>>713444017
damn they get really pissy if you mention personal responsibility

>>713441047 (OP)
Turns out when the entire game """preservation""" movement boils down to one solution: give me the games for free when you stop supporting it. You out yourself as actually more concerned with self enrichment rather than actually preserving anything and your cham of a movement is exposed and falls apart

>>713446162
Typical compulsive liar. We all knew at least one dude like that. Make up the dumbest shit about themselves to seem impressive when it's obvious to everyone they're bullshiting. Nobody can be bothered to contest them on it so they walk away thinking everyone believes them.

>>713443854
Well, their catalogue has been dogshit for a couple decades by now

>>713441268
This. Eurofags love the government so much they want it to solve all their problems through legislation.

>>713462798
Schizo moment. Nobody is asking for free shit. We're asking for companies to state expiry dates on the products they're selling.

>>713441047 (OP)
No other thing on industry on earth is demanded to support shit in perpetuity just because you bought something once. "But I bought this game in 1997 and it stopped working 40 years later on Windows 15". Oh well bitch, you don't see Stop Killing Movies demanding a download copy of The Jazz Singer because your grandpa bought the 8mm print in 1948. Because that's retarded, and so are you.

>>713462953
>No other thing on industry on earth is demanded to support shit in perpetuity
Because demanded to state expiration dates for products.

>>713462574
You pull that from your script? Feels like I've heard that cope before.

I think people often misunderstand "vote with your wallet". It doesn't also include the good but the bad as well. Physical sales have been in steady decline in favor of digital. Microtransactiosn persist desptie how many complain over it. Then we've got stuff like battlepass and 5-day early access for deluxe editions of games. They started out as trends but now have become standard because people paid for it. If everyone was a smart & informed enthusiast but the vast majority of people are normies. This is why "stop killing games" failed because the vast majority of normies don't care about game preservation. They pay digital only and they play the call of duties. If a game gets shut down, they'll just jump to the next active game they liked instead. You can't change people's minds so easily. They'll only care when it affects them personally and by then it's usually too late to change course unfortunately. Sadly, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

>>713441047 (OP)
It was kinda just doomed to fail.
>EU petition
>primarily advertised to Americans
>for a topic that, compared to every other petition, is extremely niche and unimportant
>getting signatures at such a low rate that, even if it met the requirement, wouldn't even get looked at due to low interest
These kinds of things have to start small first. Sure, it'll take a lot longer, but the amount of support you need when it comes to higher levels of government is fucking colossal.

>>713463018
Nice try with the history rewrite, we've all seen the "solutions" to unsupported games. There's no expiry date, it's always "give it away" "open source it" (Because gamers are too retarded to understand proprietary middleware)

>>713463042
They don't misunderstand it, they purposefully misinterpret it. Executives, politicians, moral busybodies, they're all free to abuse the legal system to suit their interests whenever they like. But when one of us tries to use that system for our own interests, we have to deal with these faggots saying we're not allowed to have big daddy government fix the problem, despite it being a problem that big daddy government caused and continues to perpetuate.

Stop Killing Games failed because people would rather find a way to pretend that doing nothing somehow gives them the moral high ground.

>>713442076
People listen because he has confidence and appears strong.
The picture in OP's pic is someone with poor hygiene sitting down in a poorly-lit room.

If he wanted people to listen, he should've acted more like Jim Sterling

>>713463473
The fewer people acting like Jim Sterling, the better. One is bad enough.

>>713463114
Do you know anything about what Ross has been working for or have you downloaded your opinion from an industry shill?

>>713452110
Do you understand how reddit works? Anyone can start a reddit, and when they do they are the sole moderator and control who else gets made moderators. Site wide mods are more useless and rare than 4chan mods.

>>713463768
>I'll change history after we fail to paint ourselves as fallen heroes
Riddle me this, retard. How does an expiry date on a dead game preserve it? Oh right, it doesn't. Because the movement to PRESERVE was actually about giving it away, source code and all.

>>713441047 (OP)
>Ross the mold man as the spokesman
>Focused on euroland and thirdies
>Biggest test case was The Crew instead of a game a lot of people actually give a shit about
>All for the very serious issue of games becoming unplayable sometimes
This thing was never going succeed. If you don't want online only single player games to exist then don't fucking buy them

>>713463884
>Because the movement to PRESERVE was actually about giving it away, source code and all.
Find me one instance of Ross saying anything remotely like this or fuck off, shill.

>>713463114
Actually the biggest trvth nvke.
If this was still the 90's, or even the pre 2010's, this would have easily worked, as pretty much every game back then was made with in-house engines or coded from the ground up.
But now? Every game is made up of a bunch of different proprietary middleware.
They'd either have to get the middleware to become open source, too (never ever), or remove all of the middleware and require people to try and recompile it with some other alternatives (if any exists).

>>713464226
>as pretty much every game back then was made with in-house engines or coded from the ground up.
You're so retarded it's unreal. Middleware was EVERYWHERE in the 90s, especially for audio

>it failed
>and all I needed to do was doing nothing
Damn, if only you folks learned the mystical arts of "doing nothing". Perhaps you could have used it for not buying shitty games

its really telling that pretty much every critique of the movement is either misunderstanding it entirely, or purposefully misrepresenting it
the only mistake Ross made was believing the average person had enough of an attention span and intelligence to actually look at something for more than a second before scrolling to the next clickbait

>>713463473
ross is too honest for his own good
he comes from an age where being geniune and frumpy was the default and appreciated
now unless you put on a voice changer and act like youre the authority on something youre "cringe"

>>713465643
The real lesson to learn from this is not to bother.

The majority of people are perfectly happy eating shit and will get angry at you for pointing out they're eating shit.

Let the games industry rot. Form niche communities that celebrate the few good indie games that are still getting made, and let the normies consume themselves while you gatekeep HARD.

>>713442693
If you have no ID you're a persona-non-grata

>>713466442
case in point: gacha

>>713465643
Only mistake Ross did was emailing some content creators and asking them to advertise your campaign for you would be enough

it would be easier to just make your own game, with blackjack and hookers, than to try and petition some soulless corporation to keep the lights on in their cobwebbed as fuck old driving game

I dont care, I simply stopped buying games

>>713467220
what else could he have done?

>>713467370
Based
Finally someone who solved the issue instead of expecting the government to solve it for him.

>>713467819
I mean but it would help if these 40mil concurrent Steam users also did the same

>>713467613
Find and organize volunteers in different European countries, in universities, in game or technology related events to advertise and collect signatures. He watched his initiative to be standstill and eventually die for over a half year while clearly what he is doing is not working.

Now he blames everyone but himself.

>>713467937
I agree. That's the most an individual can do, and if they aren't even willing to do that, then why do they expect to be helped.

>>713468120
> Find and organize volunteers
thats what he and many others did, retard
not going to spoonfeed you, you clearly dont know what youre talking about

>>713441175
*skull emoji

>>713468518
He didn't though. There were a few instances people tried something on their own but nothing really organized by him. He just expected things to work in their own if he sends a few emails or releases a couple videos a month