What the fuck was his problem?

men will rather fight each other in single combat to the death instead of talking about their problem to a therapist.
wtf is wrong with men?

Bad writing

>>713458474 (OP)
Hatred and fear of the French

>>713458660
This, this nigger backstabbed his kind and more importantly let a big part of the army perish wen facing end times tier of invasion of monsters on the suspicious that notFrench might invade..
Giga retarded.

>>713458474 (OP)
Orlais derangement syndrome

>>713459058
*his king
*suspicions

>>713458474 (OP)
an invisible ghost cult whispering orders in his ear

>>713459058
But thanks to him I got rid of the crybaby after accepting his surrender.

>>713458936
I mean the camps were incredibly effective.

>>713458474 (OP)
PTSD/hate from when he was fighting the Orlesians blinded him to the greater threat.

>>713459318
Don’t mention Veilguard “lore” in this thread please

>>713459318
Don’t remind me of that trash.

>>713458936
>Lindybeige
What the fuck happened to this dude? Just saw a video of his for the first time in years and the guy looks like a homeless nut now.

>>713459058
He backstabbed them for sure, but if he'd joined in his army would have probably been eliminated as well, they needed to kill the Archdemon to stand a chance, but Cailan wanted to be a hero.

>>713458474 (OP)
I have never ever spared this man

The spooky mage Jannie’s told him to do it

>>713459587
Didn't finish Veilguard, what could they possibly gain from this?

>>713458474 (OP)
this was a bad game, the gameplay was bad. goth milkers were not enough to carry.

Everyone, please stop discussing it thank you.

>>713458474 (OP)
Grew up with his nation occupied by a foreign power that was brutalizing his people, saw horrors a boy should never have to. Fought and gave everything he had to drive them out and became a hero for it. Then he lost his best friend and discovered that his best friend's spoiled brat of a son was going to marry the Queen of that prior occupying nation and essentially gift her back Ferelden on a platter. Loghain didn't understand the threat of the Darkspawn, few really did beyond the Wardens. What he did understand was the threat that haunted his every nightmare, Orlesians. That doesn't justify his decision, but I think it's entirely comprehensible why he'd make it. I can't really hate him.

>>713459058
Wasn't the part of the reasoning that, at the time he did all that, the blight was expected and under estimated to be something much easier to put down like the last one, and not some big world ending threat it turned out to be?

>>713460128
>guy looks like a homeless nut now
dude, he always looked like that.

>>713460684
Morrigan's milkers were never even that big unfortunately.

>>713461434
But why hate the Irish? You fuckers all come from the same gaggle of European islands.

>>713459587
Jesus fuck is this really what they came up with?
All good writers really left the industry

>>713461236
it turned out to be easy, every other real blight lasted for decades

>>713459318
As bad as "The Jailer was behind everything"

>>713458936
not even an angloboo but how was the market garden not a success? it wasn't a complete success but it wasn't a failure either

>>713459553
This is inquisition lore, probably written from the original bible even. Bioware spent a shitons of time writing the lore between the early 2000' and 2009.

Btw, they never said they told Loghain what to do, they might have set pieces in place to allow the betrayal. Maybe by making Loghain salty toward Cailan.

We'll probably never know what they did.

>>713458474 (OP)
>"ORLESIANS could be here" he thought, "I've never been to Ostagar before. There could be ORLESIANS anywhere." The cool wind felt good against his breastplate. "I HATE ORLESIANS" he thought. King Cailan's army being slaughtered reverberated the entire fortress, making it pulsate even as the 9 bronze stamina draught circulated through his powerful thick veins and washed away his (merited) fear of frogs after dark."With a warhorse, you can go anywhere you want" he said to himself, out loud.

>>713459587
>the villain wasnt evil he was just being strung along by outside forces beyond his control, he never had any real agency or conviction in his heart
Why does this keep happening? All it does is undermine everything from arcs to now having to come up with a sensible reason for why these external forces even cared enough to go through with it. I’d take a hundred Palpatines or evil fantasy dark lords or power-hungry maniacs like Loghain over these subversive and deconstructive archetypes.

>>713458474 (OP)
he was mind broken by his barren daughter

Can I recruit him instead of Alistair?

>>713462580
If you're stupide enough to take everything at face value. There is nothing we can do about it.

The whole DA lore is about biased narrative, lying fuckers, twisted truth, half lie, deluded self righteous morons.

The people beyond the sea has been foreshadowed since origins and there is no reason or hints that make me thing that we must trust what they say.

>>713460608
Soft reboot and setting up a new villain faction. They literally blight nuked southern Thedas, all that’s left is Orlais kind of.

>>713461650
Because they’re not, Irish are more or less still Celts, English are Germanic. It started with the Britons, then the Romans came and they intermingled, then the Angles and Saxons came, then the Danes, then the Normans. And then to add all that that geeza Enry made the country Protestant while the Irish remained Catholic. I’m simplifying a bit but over all they don’t really have much in common and it’s a whole shit show.

>>713461784
>it turned out to be easy, every other real blight lasted for decades
It turned out to be easy because the warden is an unironic gigachad that can unite a country and slay multiple dragons in less than a year

>>713464861
Is it true they pretty much killed all the old cast off-screen?

>>713462580
Because they basically made everything in the series the fault of the elves who couldn’t be more of an analogue for the jews if you gave them big noses and lend money if you tried. I’m serious.
>>713463217
No they fucking didn’t, the first time those fuckers were mentioned was a war table quest in inquisition.

>>713465305
Pretty much yeah. Morrigan is just a Mythal flesh puppet and anyone in Fereldan and the Free Marches is dead.

>>713458474 (OP)
He was Irish.

>>713465305
It's left ambiguous as far as I remember. They never mention the likes of Alistair, Leliana, Sten, Zevran, etc. in dialogue. There might've been a codex but I didn't bother digging into it.

>>713462580
I think modern Bioware is deathly afraid of letting the player decide to have a party of characters that have done questionable or even reprehensible things in their backstory. They are allergic to the idea of letting the player be evil or have a bad guy run. Compare that to something as innocuous and juvenile as the KOTOR games. Where you can order the wookie to gore your jailbait twilik to death

>>713458474 (OP)
Boomer Logahin was mad that Cailan acted like an insufferable zoomer instead of a boomer.
Simple as.

>>713465767
Yeah you right. Unc needed to chill and pill and let King do his thing. streiit busta.

>>713458474 (OP)
Mairic elevated him from lowborn to general during the war for Ferelden independence. He had feelings for Mairic's lover and future queen. The Darkspawn threat and Grey Wardens had been fraying his connection to the crown and significance of his military position for years.

Skip the Veilguard HRT and read the decent books!

>>713465434
Oh. I don't like that.

>>713466309
Isabela is still alive...for whatever it's worth.[/spoiler]I wish we saw Fenris again.[/spoiler]

>>713466548
>Isabela is still alive...for whatever it's worth
it's worth nothing at all. Fuck that garbage shitter and her dumb fuck faction I dropped veilguard before the end of act 1, but even thinking about it starts flustering my butt.

I let him morrigan

>>713466548
I'll remember her as she was

>>713466548
Highlight and Ctrl+S for spoilers in case ya don't know

>>713466548
One of the only things I can remember from DA2 was Fenris betraying me in the endgame, then running into him and saying "Stop being such a fucking faggot" and he just rejoins lmao.

>>713467263
DA2 is such a slog to replay. But it was pretty satisfying to kill off the absolute stain of a thing that is Anders in the ending every time.

>>713460257
Cailan definitely wanted glory, but it's made very clear that he would've pulled out from Ostagar and waited for reinforcements if Loghain thought it was a good idea. Problem was that said reinforcements would've been from Orlais, and we all know how the battle turned out because of that/

>>713467162
Yeah... Thanks for the tip.

>>713462580
It's an easy and cheap way for writers to one-up the previous threat with an even bigger threat in order to raise the stakes, and pretend they were building up some 4D chess "everything was connected all along" level lore. Other reason they might do shit like this is turning villainous characters into dindus, because they're unable to understand that people who sympathize with villains still want them to be villains.

>>713467263
For all the flak DA2's ending got I actually really like that party members can split down the middle for the final choice. Some will lean one way, but will still stick with you if they're ride or die for you.

Tbh, Dragon Age Lore was never any good. It was always boring and generic as fuck when compared to Elder Scrolls, Warhammer Fantasy, DnD etc.
The saving grace of Dragon Age was always the actual story, which was a well executed Hero's Journey.

>>713468295
I like most of the Maker stuff and anything involving the old Dwarven kingdoms in Origins, but once it came around to everything being elves all the way down that's when I tapped out.

>>713465619
From a budget/time perspective, I think it was just more tempting for them to be lax with branching evil choices that they know only a small minority of players will bother choosing in the end anyway.

It's the same logic that made them remove the neutral dialogue option from ME3. They were already working crunch hours up against a deadline, so someone figured it was easier to cut out the option that no one ever really chose.

>>713468476
>but once it came around to everything being elves all the way down that's when I tapped out.
This exactly. I don't get what they were thinking. It reduced the scope of the setting and worldbuilding dramatically.

>>713466548
While I don't like Veilguard burning down the legacy of the original games, I admittedly think it could be a fun talking point to imagine what the weirdos and misfits in the old parties managed to do to survive when the kingdoms around them fell.

>>713468926
Fucking Oghren. There was that scene in Awakening when he has to drink the darkspawn blood that goes something like
>So I just gargle and spit and we're done
>You're not allowed to spit
>Heh, that's what I always say
Top fucking kek

Why does he sound angry all the time? He was literally shaking at the Landsmeet

I was on the fence on trying to stomach veilguard one last time. I think I made it up to the part where you escape the gore cave in the prologue. But dropped it once you gave the goofiest more juvenile /co/tier interaction with a dragon and the mayor of the village. It was something almost verbatim
>we're the good guys and we're gonna save the world

>>713468926
>>713469131
Never was a big fan of Oghren. I know, unpopular opinion. Don't get me wrong he can be funny. I just found it weird how he is one of the only companions from Origins who returned in Awakening. Let alone becoming a Grey Warden since he did start a family if we helped him out.

>>713469296
IIRC it was explicitly because most players did the dwarf arc very last so he got the least screen time in most playthroughs.

>>713469131
>>You're not allowed to spit
>>Heh, that's what I always say
That would never fly in a Bioware game today

>>713469296
I swear the majority opinion on Ogrhen always flip flops between negative and positive every couple of years. Him being the only returning party member is weird, but I guess he's the only one still around the immediate area that's not doing super important shit.

>>713458474 (OP)
Human Noble is the most kino of Origins. You get the initial status, the loving family, the Game of Thrones betrayal and murder, the personal revenge against Howe... it's pure cinema.

>>713469229
I guess I must be the only person here who finished the game. Gosh was it an undertaking. Gameplay was simple but it did get boring but the worst part was the writing and dialogue.

>>713469296
Oghren is about as stereotypical of a fantasy dwarf as you can get, but I think he's alright. Steve Blum seemed to have fun with the role, and I like the moments of pushback he gives on certain choices. I always liked the line when he leaves the party, "I hope you succeed Warden, but I hope it kills you."

His role in Awakening is a little odd if you spent his whole character quest in Origins helping him get a real relationship going, but it's fine as a final hoorah, considering that it's an optional epilogue and he doesn't really show up again.

>>713469775
Interesting, I guess that makes sense.
>>713469857
>that's not doing super important shit.
Besides raising a kid with his wife.

>>713469296
I fucking hate his drunk ass, Sigrun was so much better it's unreal.

>>713469131
It's a shame he was character assassinated in Awakening if you do his character arc in the base game.
>DAO Oghren: flawed man, sad deep down, confesses he drinks as a coping mechanism due to his wife, gets better and becomes a bro
>Awakening Oghren: back to factory settings, haha funny drunken dwarf, burps during the joining, Flanderized to hell

>>713465335
Day one they hinted the Qunari came from beyond the sea and fled something. What about the former human civilization of Par Vollen ?

That's true, they went deeper with the dwarfs coming from beyond the sea in the Anderfels and the Inquisition stuff.

But fluff always hinted mysteries from out for the Thedas we know.

>>713465305
No

>>713465520
I like Alistair but if anyone was going to go down with the ship defending Ferelden it'd probably be him.

>>713460128
I have no idea why he picked the topics he picks for videos anymore. its all nonsensical pseuo intellectual garbage. last video of his I really liked was when he went to that monastery restaurant in england that uses period accurate recipes

>>713459318
Dragon Age will factually never have another game. We will simply ignore that.

he really hated the french

I'm not surprised Veilguard killed DA, but I am surprised it(seemingly) hasn't killed Bioware outright.

>>713470870
Definitely. It still sucks that everything we did all mattered for not in the end.

>>713469296
Ohgren gets kind of screwed in the base game cause you get him so late, so he got more spotlight in the expansion

>ME 4 announced 4.5 years ago
I wonder how many concept iterations they've gone through. It has to be at least six going by their current track record.

>>713471203
no, that honor is reserved for the new Mass Effect.

>Biowares two biggest franchises will be the ones to finally end it all

kino

>>713471203
Somehow Bioware always miraculously manages to fail upwards. Though I definitely think this time with the upcoming Mass Effect game. This will be their last chance. That is if it manages to see the light of day. Supposedly it won't come out until 2028 at least.

>>713470469
I am that anon, and I agree even if he had some funny scenes like
>(To Nathaniel) I bet that dark brooding thing you got going on gets you a lot of action, huh?
>I take it you're an admirer, Oghren?
>What? No!
>Not unless -
> - No!
Awakening was missed potential.

>>713471556
>Awakening was missed potential.
How so?

>>713471507
>>713471462
Do we even have an inkling as to if it's going to be a ME4, a sequel to Andromeda, or another fucking spin-off? The fact the company survived after the disaster that was Anthem is a baffling by itself.

>>713472075
as of now its ME4

i think they wont take too many chances with it.

>>713472075
It's definitely going to be ME4 however they will incorporate Andromeda into it somehow. I can't find the exact quote but I think Weekes said that the Angara will make an appearance in it.

>>713472075
It takes place in the Milky Way but after Andromeda

>>713472282
You don't even need a quote, the pic you posted if zoomed-in has all the proof you need

>>713458936
Yes, he still hasn't recovered
Also he unironically has a complex over maric cucking him

>>713471883
The architect was a cool idea and I liked some of the new specializations but it was obviously rushed, 5 months after Origins iirc, and specifically was way too easy.

>>713472504
nani?

>>713458474 (OP)
the french killed his dog
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6X-Rhwwb8E timestamp 10:35

>>713469914
Battle mage is the absolutely most OP advanced class though

>>713469914
dwarf noble is also good

>>713472501
>but after Andromeda
I thought those dipshits said they want to somehow bring Shepard back

>>713472501
>You don't even need a quote, the pic you posted if zoomed-in has all the proof you need
Oh duh. Still I wonder how that's possible since the trip to Andromeda took 600 years. Did they somehow develop a new means to travel to the Milky Way even quicker? I guess we'll find out eventually.

>>713458474 (OP)
France.

>>713458474 (OP)
they wanted to be like got (books) which hit popularity during dao time so they wrote le epic politicaly motivated rational betrayal story but forgot to make it rational because they couldnt write for shit, only copy.
>>713459058
not only that but where did the entire kings family gone to not avenge his deaths, where are the loyalists, why he wasnt called out by literally anyone with more political power and executed for treason as his killer proclaims himself new king and takes credit for restoring justice to the country?
>>713459318
jfc

>>713473297
most important men of france were talleyrand and rene, convince me otherwise

>>713473297
Naporearu kun...

>>713473759
without Richelieu(pbuh) we would all be speaking Austrian right now

>>713459058
Why are you saying nigger?

>>713474842
He's implying that he lacked any common sense similar to a homo pavimenticus colloquially known as "nigger".

>>713475171
Idk, american niggers are cool af and have gone through a lot. I respect them.

>>713473160
BioWare themselves? They haven't said anything, it's all fan speculation. All we have is the first trailer where Liara's in a frozen planet with Reaper corpses and smiles after finding a broken piece of an N7 helmet

>>713477348
Indubitably zesty.

>>713477985
If only Alistair were actually bisexual.

>>713463163
Yes, but why?

>>713477985
He just likes to be expressive.

>>713458629
what is there to talk about?

>>713481679
>expressive
Sure, Jan.

>>713458474 (OP)
He REALLY fucking hated the French.

>>713462580
Loghain wasn't even that power hungry, he just didn't want to hand Ferelden to the Orlais because the king was a retard that listened to no one that tried to advise him and acted like he's some guy out of a story instead of a political leader, so he took the opportunity to feed him to a mob of monsters when it presented itself.

>>713474531
He was an unfathomably based man. We don't get political leaders like that anymore.

>>713474531
>help the prots externally to fuck with the Austrians
>purge them internally to remain a pure catholic country
Based

>>713484057
>>713484117
Cardinalpost

>>713473664
>not only that but where did the entire kings family gone to not avenge his deaths, where are the loyalists, why he wasnt called out by literally anyone with more political power
Well he did try to kill Arl Eamon to avoid too much opposition to him. Most Loghain loyalists were at Ostragar. But that didn’t help prevent a civil war, which happens in the game anyway

>>713461434
>>713461650
I've never met an english man who gave a shit about the irish
I have never seen and irish man that could shut up about the english.

>>713475590
those are literally the worst ones

>>713484206
>One of history’s most notorious cat-lovers was the Cardinal Richelieu. He shared his home with no less than 14 cats, and even had a separate wing of his residences converted into what he dubbed a chatterie. Upon his death he left a kingly sum to his cats, and installed a permanent caretaker for them.
Dogbros…how do we cope with that ?

>>713484794
toxo brain is a helleva drug

I love french history and culture and it's so annoying seeing the same french jokes being repeated all the time like it's a brown person talking about colonialism. French contributions to civilization are enormous and they rightfully earned their place in history as gigachads in pretty much everything they applied themselves towards.

>>713458474 (OP)
>What the fuck was his problem?
The French.

>>713483785
He killed numerous members of the mobility and their own personal armies, all forced and resources that could be used to fend off Orlais or the Darkspawn. These werent just lesser nobles either but guys like the Couslands and Guerrins. Then he sowed discord and civil war further weakening his new regime. You can absolutely think youre in the right and still try to murder anyone who mildly disagrees with you.

Bump

>>713487283
We're often accused of systematic whining and I always answer, half-jolkingly, that is because, based on past achievements, excellence is our expectation.
I think a lot of French people genuinely believe we are the best country in the world for most things, from food to culture, sports, business, military... That's where we set our bar

>>713487283
>gigachads in pretty much everything they applied themselves towards.
right up until the 1930's.
which is why they get shat on now.
their military downfall began long before with the revolutions though.