what went wrong with monster hunter?

>>713472858 (OP)
I wanted to hunt monsters, not play White Savior to fantasy world brazilians.

I didn't even buy it and I have 500 hours in World

>>713472858 (OP)
it was shit and it ran like shit

>>713472958
good call it was a waste of money

>>713472858 (OP)
>try out the new monster hunter game
>try attacking
>your character is completely locked in the direction of an attack, completely unable to rotate to redirect attacks so if you windup an attack and your target moves to the side you're just fucking sitting there for several seconds preparing to slam your weapon down onto the empty space beside your target
>apparently every single game in the series is like this
never refunded so hard in my life
how can people stomach such incredibly slow, clunky gameplay?

>>713472858 (OP)
Should've optimized it around my eight year old graphics card.

>>713474319
it even runs like shit for modern cards dipshit

>>713472858 (OP)
I stuck it out and played on 1080p and medium settings to get respectable performance but I put that bitch down once I cleared HR and the rest of my friends quit.

>>713472858 (OP)
To be fair, 99% of people appear to quit games before even completing them. Look at xbox acheivements for games and you'll see that.

>>713472858 (OP)
I’m glad I skipped. I feel vindicated and I kept my money. Seethe suckers, you got scammed.

it's just a boring franchise with the same shit over and over again

>>713474018
you need to be 18+ to use this website

Let's be real here, the Monster Hunter IP could use a nice slop and flop. It needs it RE6 moment. A cold shower would do the IP and Capcom some good.

>>713472952
>Finally, the ecosystem will pay for its crimes!
World was based

>>713472858 (OP)
Too much emphasis on a story I honestly don't give a shit about
I just want to hunt monsters.

>>713476885
pretty much

>>713475601
>get an achievement for killing the first major boss in a game, no more than 2 hours into it
>24.7% of players have this achievement

People surprised by this shouldn't be if you actually look at steam peak player counts. Games in the top 100-200 don't retain all their players. I'd say, as a guess, expect 70% of those top 200 games based on their peak player count to have less than 10% of their peak player count after a few months if you check it against their last 24h peak. It's probably more common than people give it credit for. The game is still bad for a Monster Hunter game but this being treated as unusual is where I'd say is what is unusual when it looks to be the usual for most games.

>>713474018
sophisticated bait post well done

>>713472858 (OP)
>play game
>finish game
>stop playing game
you're a faggot OP

>>713477283
here comes the cope

>>713472858 (OP)
Capcom shows you how much the game sucks in the game's trailers, but somehow consumers ignore all that and buy the game anyway.

World was a bad game and this is just more of the same. No I don't care how much it sold you fucking stupid sales gremlin fuck off.

>>713477283
>finish game
>stop playing game
If that was the case, World wouldn't have more players than Wilds right now.

>>713472858 (OP)
it sucked and flopped.

I can think of a few things that went wrong with it

but I'm guessing a HUGE chunk of that is quite frankly a lot of people that had never bought or played a Monster Hunter game before were suddenly interested in this one and then found out they don't actually like Monster Hunter games

>>713478790
or long-time players aren't interested in a shitty story

>Game designed to be one release and some small updates until expansion
>People don't replay it endlessly for 20 years straight

and to the fucks mentioning World's playercount, the reason its high is literally due to all the people who picked up Wilds first and are now playing the rest of the MH games, and this is how MH has always been experienced as a franchise by newcomers. You picked the game that looked the most fun to you or was the newest, and then you started playing the other games after finishing that game. Monster Hunter is not a live service franchise as much as those clickbait youtubers that came in during World want you to believe. The only goal of updates in MH is for the team to finish the stuff they didn't get to during the game's main development. As long as people play during the game's release and the G Rank expansion's release, Capcom could care less, and you should care even less.

There is not a single person I know who's an actual MH fan and actually dislikes Wilds. We all got our issues with it but it's another MH release with new and fun monsters, with new movesets, new maps, it lacks nothing that is core to a new MH release. The only people who hate Wilds are fresh Worldsperm who got somehow gaslit into thinking Monster Hunter was an MMO game with endless timesink potential, there's not a single issue with the game other than shitty complaints about that aspect.

>b-but what about preparation and setup-

Yeah cause we all really fucking cared about that since Freedom Unite as if it wasn't just the first 2 games in the series that had that element as a focus. Hell, Wilds is more preparation intensive than World and Rise due to more focus being put on traps and items and mega potions being harder to get.

>>713472858 (OP)
they still bought the game, its a huge success
and they will buy the new game in the series

>>713478790
Weird how that doesn't seem to have happened with World, which sold even better.

I've had fun with it. I'll be back when there's more content and they finally optimize it.

>>713479291
>There is not a single person I know who's an actual MH fan and actually dislikes Wilds
Yep, there's just a lot people that don't like these games buying them now because of internet hype

>>713479445
It did though. World's normie interest was brought up by MMO youtubers who played the game like an MMO and sold it to retards as an MMO. This got it sales and a """"""""""high''''''''''""" playercount for a bit before people realised you couldn't beat monsters by just making your build oneshot them and also the game wasn't an MMO and everyone quit. Very few of World's new normie fanbase played Iceborne and a miniscule amount of people finished it.

Also Wilds is the fastest selling MH game and is on track to sell more than World.

>>713477049
It's absolutely unusual when the game lost players way faster than both World and Rise and now has less players World, despite 4x the peak km Steam.
Even discussion in general dried up completely 2 months>>713477049
after release

>>713480085
Have you considered that the game is borderline unplayable on most people's PCs? Especially since the last update.

>>713479291
Except the game released unfinished and the entire post-launch support is drip feeding content as much as possible to try to keep maximum player retention with FOMO.

>>713479291
>There is not a single person I know who's an actual MH fan and actually dislikes Wilds

This is my biggest hint that this game just got caught in the "fight all the game companies grrr" cultural movement or whatever. The game has a ton of issues and stuff that could be improved, the main thing that there's just a lack of content for high rank and that some of the weapons feel too simple this entry, but it's still a new Monster Hunter game, everyone I saw stream it with their veteran friends enjoyed the hell out of it, going schizo over the new monsters, fighting shit, gooning to the gen1 and 2 theories about the ancient civilization getting confirmed, etc. and I had the same experience with my two friends who have been playing since 3rd gen. I get making a ruckus about the performance issues as the game runs terribly and I hate the constant texture pop in, but in terms of the actual game and it's content, there's very little to actually complain about.

Isn't this just according to keikaku for capcom? Sell a bajillion copies in the first week and then discourage players from continuing to use the service, and then Capcom has less overhead for keeping the servers running

>>713480258
The last update did nothing meaningful in terms of numbers. Playerbase started decreasing way faster than World almost immediately after launch and never recovered, even with updates and events.
It's especially telling because World PC version was actually the minority compared to console, but in the case of Wilds the game sold more on PC. So even on "equal" ground the numbers for Wilds should be a lot higher.

>>713480330
>drip feeding content as much as possible to try to keep maximum player retention with FOMO.

Yes, the game released unfinished, that's literally why TUs exist in MH games since World. And no, Capcom does not give a fuck about player retention. TUs are purely just so the devs can release all the shit they want for the complete "base game" experience before moving onto full expansion development. How the fuck could it even be FOMO when all the updates have only permanent content?

>game that is not an mmo/gachaslop doesn't have a consistently high playerbase
In other news, the sky is blue

>make a game that appeal only to the ultra casual newcomers
>alienate everyone else, World babies and oldfags included
>casuals move on after 2-3 weeks
>game completely loses its legs, sales an players drop down a cliff on both PS and Steam
>on top of that game runs like shit so even the people who still would like to try it can't play it
>Wilds and its expansion could very much end up selling half of what World and IB did

Insane gamble Ryozo
Why consolidate the gigantic new fanbase you got with World when you can chase yet another random crowd?

>>713474018
Well Wilds seems like the game for you then because they added a focus mode that lets you freely aim anything and ruined the game in the process

>>713478296
World runs on my fucking 1080 super at 60fps, anyone can actually run that game compared to wilds, especially with its optimization shtting the bed after their last update.

>>713480085
No, it's not unusual. People that finished World's base content kept playing it cause for the majority of World players, there was no other MH game. Just World. At Rise's release people kept playing Rise cause it attracted an entirely different fanbase than World who, again, only had one game to play like it, Rise. This time after finishing Wilds, people can also play more World.

>>713480991
>And no, Capcom does not give a fuck about player retention.
That's monumentally retarded and completely opposite to what Capcom said multiple times in their reports. 60-70% of MH sales happen after launch, they keep shitting out MTX non-stop and expansions are almost as important as the base game itself. Bad player retention influences negatively every one of those three things.

>runs like shit
>looks like shit
>barebones as fuck(small roster, barely anything to unlock through side quests, barely any of these and a variety of optional quests...)
>hunter are too mobile and have too much at their disposal, whilst monsters are back to being passive little bitches
>getting equipment is ridiculously easy and barely takes more than 2-3 hunts
>decos drop like candy
>core mechanics are either grossly overpowered or under baked
>locales are awful: Iceshard Cliffs, Oilwell and Wyveria are the worst maps in the franchise
>all of these make the game extremely easy and short
>having skills separated by armor and weapons made sets even more samey
>cut content added as TUs like Arena and the hub
>TUs are taking waaaay too long to release
>speaking of Arena quests, we still only have 2 after 4 months
>horrid as story that slow the pace down to a T with all the fucking cutscenes, dialog and forced walking segments
>event quests are complete ass and back to being semi-limited to further FOMO
>the entire artian weapon
>all the fucking microtrasactions for cosmetics
This shit is so ass, I don't think even the Grank expansion is going to fix it

>>713481205
Except the numbers for World haven't changed and they are also slightly decreasing over time, tho very slowly. World is not getting new players from Wilds, it's just Wilds that is losing all its players.

>>713481018
>make a game that appeal only to the ultra casual newcomers
>alienate everyone else, World babies and oldfags included

I'm so sick of hearing this shit when Wilds has more stuff from the classic games in it than World and is not nearly as casualized as World was. The game's story is literally about shit set up in fucking Monster Hunter Dos and most of the content is a not so subtle attempt to redo Dos's vibe with the pseudo-seasons, focus on villager interactions and preparation through the villagers giving you important items.

It runs like shit
I don't know how it sold so many copies
how many have a GPU with frame generation
no i don't count that lossless scaling garbage

>>713481441
>I don't know how it sold so many copies
cause all the well functioning adults bought it and enjoyed it and now it's only the poor indians left who are upset they can't play the new MH game after they played FU on their emulator for 5 hours cause a youtuber told them about it.

it's a pve quasi single player game with a limited amount of content. what else did you expect?

>>713474018
Brilliant bait my friend

>>713481664
You don't understand everyone knows you play every mon hun game for 30,000 hours until the next one comes out.

>>713481434
Dos and Wilds have literally nothing in common. They can take seasons or the food system, but the design is completely different. Those systems in Dos were made to fundamentally change the experience and the player had to take them in serious consideration when playing. In Wilds every new system is either useless, just a visual flair or something overpowered for the hunter.

>>713481763
no one even knew these games existed until world, this "classic" fanbase is so delusional

>>713472858 (OP)
Monster Hunter isn't a live service game?
That video was clearly bait for the unintelligent(like OP)

>>713481884
World, Rise, and Wilds are all live service slop

>>713472858 (OP)
I finished everything, got all the crowns. No need to pick it up again until G-rank.

>>713481952
No they're not.

>>713482018
Yes they are

>>713481441
I ended up doing a new PC build recently with a 4060 ti 16GB card and felt like I made the bet call bang for buck because I can run the game with the hgih res texture pack and can run just fine at 60FPS even on the 12th gen i7 I've got as well. I tried framegen to see how it would look at 90fps but legit the ghosting/smearing kept irking me off.

I've put like ~150 hours into it, but legit the biggest issue is just from the same issues world had magnified even moreso. Lobby system is 2 layers of funky, you can't just -start- a hunt together for first time story clears and have to wait for the other side to get so far before you can jump in. You only get credit if you too saw the cutscene intro before joining a friend, and the worse of all is feeling like the game itself doesn't even warrant playing together at all. Fights are painfully easy solo, and become 3 minute mashpits of just stunlocking wound breaking something to death with others. Even the newest hunts don't do -enough- to shift power back into the monsters hands, the very gimmick of wounds ensures that you can just stun chain and animation break something where it can't do anything. Playing Akuma where you have a timer on wound breaks, and you having vastly smaller range, felt actually far more in line with how the game SHOULD be. In the end though it's just a silly little handicap that ends up worse then just attacking normally though but it was for sure worth the shake up for a while when everyone was running it for a week and the game felt its best as a result.

>>713478790
>World is massively successful
>Gets people interested in new one
>New players try out series and many don't like premise/style/gameplay (normal)
>Old players alienated by shift in focus to story
>People all over cut out because of performance akin to indian portaloo

Personally I enjoy the moment to moment gameplay of Wilds, and nothing else. If they somehow put Wilds combat in Rise, with World Aesthetics, it would be perfect

>>713482095
Nope

>muh story

fuck off lol

>>713481785
They both do honestly have a lot of the same mechanics and traits and I interact with both in the same way. Though it feels more like Wilds is focusing in the stuff 4U built from Dos rather than Dos directly. And the game definetly feels more catered to old school players in terms of vibe than World. World wanted you to think the old games never existed and that it was a complete reboot of the series. Wilds has lore shit only old MH needs would care about, builds up stuff directly from the old games and it brought more classic monsters back. It doesn't play at all like the pre World games but it feels like it was made more for people that cared about those than World. It's probably my favourite aspect of the game. Call me a retard but the fact we got a MH game finally exploring the dragon war lore from Dos and 4U again made me very happy.

>all the anons insisting MH has no longevity
>when it's mainly a co-op game based around grindy endgames with a ton of limited time content

Of course there is going to be a drop at some point, but going from 1.5m to barely 10k in 4 months is clearly wrong. There are 3 times the people playing fucking Elden Ring than Wilds. And no I don't mean Nighteign, I mean ER from 3 years ago.

without hyperbole the ugliest game i have ever played

>MHW1: 71 large monsters
>Rise: 78 large monsters
>MHW2: 29 large monsters
Yes, those numbers include the expansions. But it doesn't matter.
Most normies purchased MHW1 years after it released, after Capcom finished adding a fuckton of additional content. And that elevated their expectations for the sequel.
It's never been more over.

>>713482502
>comparing one of the most popular games of all time to a niche game that attracted tourists

I can't tell if you're a retard or being maliciously misleading.

This was a satisfying game to refund.

What's wrong with zoomers and why don't they understand that games are games, not lifestyles and when you finish them you stop playing them and do something else

>>713482640
>nuMH
>>niche
What are you fucking saying?

>>713472858 (OP)
>what went wrong with monster hunter?
jeets. programmers and in game

>>713472858 (OP)
>what went wrong
Nothing, the game came out months ago and people have run out of things to do in it. You can't expect them to be satisfied doing Arch Tempered Faggot Kong runs for the foreseeable future.

>>713482165
The game feels easy while also harder than World for me if that shit makes sense. The combat feels a lot easier and more handholdy, but I ended up carting 3 times in the low rank story when I haven't carted in low rank since 3 Ultimate. And I regularly cart to high rank hunts even if they don't take that long, except for AT Rey Dau which took 28 minutes somehow.
I think it's something to do with the monster combat. Monsters target you more with their attacks and dish out a lot more damage but they're also a lot more weak against traps and stunlock strats, so the monsters can kill you pretty easily but when you bonk them hard, they also can't fight back that hard.

>>713482459
>World wanted you to think the old games never existed
>The game where 60% of NPCs are returning NPCs that represent all the different MH gens wants you to think old games didn't exist
>The game that dialed down Ichinose's shitty mattel toy aesthetic back to the more rough and utilitarian designs of Gen 1 and 2 wants you to think old games didn't exist
>The game with a wholly revamped Fatso in Castle Shrade wants you to think old games didn't exist
>The game that goes through extra lengths to give you nods like Alatreon having Tri's jingle for quest completion wants you to think old games didn't exist
I want you to kill yourself in a very, very painful way

>>713482640
They both sold around 30m copies and the completion rates are pretty much identical on Steam, so I don't really understand where you are coming from.

>>713482737
that's not games to them especially not multiplayer ones

>>713479445
World didn't need dual 5090s and a hadron collider to run it on your computer. Also, World happened first. Wilds fucked up by being World 2 instead of being its own thing, you can only wow the mainstream consumer so many times with the same tricks.
That's something Street Fighter learned from 4 and 5, and why 6 has changed a lot from how those games play.

>>713482906
The rookie hunter they brought back made no mention of 4U and literally none of the other NPCs had anything to do with old MH. They were generic realistic fantasy NPCs made to sell to the new normie audience. And no, one guy wearing armor similar to the FU intro fag does not count .
>back to the more rough and utilitarian designs of Gen 1 and 2
Ah yes, World who deleted all the cool stuff that MH had since the first game like absurd looking weapons, monsters and a colorful artstyle, definetly brought the MH style back.
>nuFatalis
World's Fatalis is a complete disgrace to Fatalis that was a terrible implementation of his fight and also shit all over his cool lore.
>Alatreon
That fight is the final thesis of how much World hates the old games. It brought back Alatreon only to turn him into a shitty MMO bait fight with none of the stuff that made Alatreon cool before, and again, completely removed his lore.

>>713482828
I feel like the damage is the same from Rise, where it's high because it wants to punish you for using wirebug's incorrectly. Yet the biggest issue here is that Rise/Sunbreak directly has a cooldown system stopping you from just spamming shit. Before Akuma you can just endlessly keep doing your wound break attacks to both cause wounds and then break them to just keep stunlocking while being utterly invuln, and if mashing one button was too basic some weapons had their offset attacks just counter every physical attack outright that ALSO stuns on impact. Really if not for the Akuma mode showing this would have been far better with a cooldown between when you'd -get- the staggers off would keep the pace better, I'd question if the actions alone was just too good. Yet it really does show that the real problem is that there's nothing stopping you from just doing that, and in turn it's all you have to do to clear hunts with nothing in a monsters toolset, or player limitations, to counter it. Yet I know slapping a cooldown on the staggers will just piss most people off not understanding the real insight behind it and just take it as a nerf to damage like how Clutchclaw gimmicks was for Iceborne.

>>713481092
I actually enjoyed the game mechanically and focus modes main purpose until I realized just how broken focus mode truly is. The fact I can fully charge a true charge on the greatsword, release the swing, and then spin the strike 180 degrees behind me with a flick aim is just insanity to me. I already thought the addition of backward rolling was one of the series worst crimes. Now, they made positioning even less relevant with focus mode.

>>713483123
You do know World barely ran on PCs at launch due to how buggy NTFramework's PC version was right? You needed xx80 GPUs to bruteforce through the bad performance. It wasn't until like, midway through Iceborne's updates that the game performance got better and even now it's still very buggy.

>>713472858 (OP)
Capcom turned it into slop. Monsters can't even win through attrition because you have infinite stockpiles from camp. The story rushes you through to kill zoh shia by the 20 hour mark.
My first monster hunter was Tri and despite the small roster the game had you practically live in each map for awhile before you advanced. You would get better at each monster because you were to get rematches in low rank. Wilds wants you to get absurdly strong as fast as possible, stack 12 skills and dogwalk everything. Then the difficult fights they add have to be balanced around the player's advantages and kill you in 3 hits. This is so far from old monhun that it's not even the same genre.
I had like 150 hours in Tri and haven't wanted to play Wilds since 30 hours.

>World and Rise were discussed for months non-stop
>Wilds completely exits public consciousness a month after release
>even MH content creators barely even talk about it anymore, after they hyped it up for more than a year

The other day I saw a normie-filled thread on twitter about GOTY contenders and even there barely anybody was mentioning Wilds. Game sold fucking 10m on release and nobody remembers it anymore

>>713483357
From my experience the wound stunblock thing only works up until mid tier HR monsters, at least solo wise. Monsters start keeping you away from them good enough to not let you cause wounds too often even with wound focused builds. And by the time you reach high tier HR fights I think I only make like, 3 or 4 wounds per hunt.
I find the problem is more so with how traps are better, more consistent and more abundant in Wilds. That by itself is not a bad thing but focusing on trap and similar stuff reallt does completely wreck any non tempered 7/8 star fight.

>>713483402
>he says as he misses wile the monster moves away
Its always the ones who pretend to have played the game

>>713483475
>World barely ran on PCs at launch
Irrelevant because World doesn't exist solely at launch, it kept going even after Rise and Sunbreak came out where it continued to be the dominant MH game.
>You needed xx80 GPUs to bruteforce through the bad performance. It wasn't until like, midway through Iceborne's updates that the game performance got better and even now it's still very buggy.
I don't know why you're trying to lie about shit that isn't true, even on the garbage ass 960 you could get a minimum 1080p60 after turning off volumetric fog.

>>713472958
I haven't bought it either. I was hoping it could get fixed with an expansion, but that doesn't seem likely.

>>713472858 (OP)
There's people who bought the $100 digital deluxe edition that promised access to future dlc and cosmetics.

And Capcom STILL put the big Spring and Summer content behind a separate paywall, to further milk 'em.

>29 monster at release (effectively 27 becauase 2 were not repeatable)

I know that it takes a lot to make the, but holy fuck I feel like the sweet spot to hit at release should be 40.

optimization is ass
high expectations after coming from world/rise
usual story of a game forced to release early because retard stockholders want money
its good on its own but compared to those that received years worth of updates and expansion packs, wilds is barren of content
grinding is also mostly gone because they give you so much materials and thats why content feels lacking
dripfed content sucks and makes you burn out faster
they made it quicker to get meta sets so even less grind to do
games a lot easier too; they really need to make the monsters more resistant to the shit you can do

>>713472858 (OP)
>why did my game about 'animal abuse' fail
Zoomers are way more sensitive to that shit.

>>713484719
I don't think there has been a single game that's not a remake that had 40 monsters

why is this game so hard to run
imo the visuals do not justify it
it is both cpu bottlenecked in some parts and gpu bottlenecked in others

>>713472858 (OP)
Instead of making a monster hunter game, they made a shitty unfinished game for zoomers with tiktok brains and sony movietards

>>713474018
never understood the appeal either, it's like they made the most fucking cumbersome game possible. don't even get me started on the stupid early game full of gathering quests.

>syberbolt video still hasn’t dropped
any time now loud man. rip the devs a new one.

it did seem very easy, like i picked dual swords or long sword and i just pressed x x x and y y y and i'll be sucked.

>wilds is apparently not very good
shame, i was holding off on it and just got done playing through rise/sb so now i have nothing to play

>>713485672
Both of those games are what you are describing.
You can't shit on Wilds other than performance reasons without excusing World for doing the same movie first gameplay second garbage.

The forced story segments were putting me to fucking sleep.

Idk but Worlds was dogshit

>>713472858 (OP)
the fucking mount

This game deserves the "worst online system" award this year, a category japan tries hard to win every time. It's hilarious to see streamers uncomfortably try to play this shit with their friends.
>the linked what? but I thought I already joined the lobby
>where's your quest? wait you disappeared what the fuck
>there I'm in your the linked party
>wait I can't still see you
>what the fuck is an environment link?
>fuck this

>>713472858 (OP)
It's boring. All of them, not just whatever the new one is. The loop is fucking boring and only appeals to longtime autists that like extremely repetitive tasks.
>hit monster one time for big damage
>monster goes OWIE OWIE OOOOOOOWWWWW THAT HURT, I'M GONNA RUN AWAY NOW BUT ALL THAT MEANS IS THAT I'LL DO A LOOP AROUND THIS AREA OF THE MAP AND THEN STOP SOMEWHERE AND THEN YOU CAN KEEP HITTING ME OW OW OWIEEEE
>chase the monster around the boring barren map full of fucking nothing, pointlessly putting you in a situation where you're no longer doing the main thing you're supposed to be doing
>Longtime fans defend it by saying YEAH WELL IT'S CALLED MONSTER *HUNTER* DUDE, THEY RUN AWAY AND YOU *HUNT* THEM DUH
>It's just bad game design they defend due to all the time they sunk into these fucking games so they HAVE to like it
>Later on the monsters are just boring damage sponges that aren't even threatening, just learn their gay little limited moveset and wait for your turn to hit them, then they die
>Repeat infinitely forever for decades, this is somehow one of their biggest games because it got popular for no real reason

MH is one of the most overrated game franchises of all time, arguably ever. It's so unbearably fucking boring, it shouldn't even be a console game or handheld, it should just be an idle mobile game.

>>713489864
>Longtime fans defend it by saying YEAH WELL IT'S CALLED MONSTER *HUNTER* DUDE, THEY RUN AWAY AND YOU *HUNT* THEM DUH
Those freaks say this while conveniently ignoring most end game hunts are arenas, or just have static areas the monster moves to every single time. Then bitch about easier tracking in the same breath.

>>713489845
While their online system is pretty overdesigned and not explained properly, it actually works outside of server and connection issues.
me and my friends can just set up a linked party if we're just four available, or set up a private lobby if we're more than four.

>>713474319
>frogposter
>ABHORRENTLY retarded post
Every single time.
Frogposts have a 100% rate of being shit.

>>713472858 (OP)
>capcom has been slowly introducing more "woke|" shit
>ddragons dogma failed
>modern street fighter failed
>monster hunter failed
>gamers finally recognize capcom is shit
Glad to see normies finally get on bored after getting their $70 scammed. The signs were all there. You didn't listen.

>>713474018
Use Dual Blades.

>>713474319
They certainly made it look like a decade old game. I bet that EA clone looks better.

>>713490275
>>modern street fighter failed
I fucking WISH
It's been very successful.
SF7 is guaranteed to be even uglier AND even more watered down than this piece of shit.

>>713472858 (OP)
Looks like she's cosplaying Cell in the thumbnail

I could not give a fuck about the story. Fuck the Ethiopian looking shit kid and his magical rock that can defeat the cum dragons. Fuck the rag tag group of retards that follow you. Fuck the RDR2 sections where you gallop on your chicken at a glacial pace while faggots vomit exposition at you. Fuck the chicken and chicken-only terrain. Fuck cooking your own meals. Fuck having a tard handler again. Fuck what they did to multiplayer. And fuck World for making us do that shit all over again.

>>713490967
kek

>>713478296
World was dead until iceborn and ICE mod came out and was only able to retain what little userbase it had because it was the only mohun on pc and they introduced two back to back giga autism grinds for end game before iceborne

>>713490563
The next step of enshitification will be facescanning western actors for all characters.

>>713492020
>and now featuring Chris Pratt (aka CP) as Ryu
>Yeah man I spent hours of my life sweeping...................................... Blankas

>>713492220
>>Yeah man I spent hours of my life sweeping...................................... Blankas
kek

on the optimization side, i don't get how rise can run relatively well even on toasters with fairly large maps, while wild shit itself. aren't they all RE engine?

>>713492364
Rise was made to run on a glorified tablet while Wilds was made to run on uhh

>>713492364
Open World meme really hurts it I guess.
Despite Capcom's asspull about RE engine meaning """REach for the Moon!""" it is very clearly shit and poorly suited for anything that is not Resident Evil.

>>713474018
Weebs will actively call you a scrub for not liking their dogshit gameplay that only got memed into relevance due to their incessant spamming, just like with Dragon's Dogma.

>>713493239
OK zoomie.

>>713482990
>neightrein is arenaslop that requires friends basically to enjoy at all
>wilds is a direct sequel, the hot new thing
>it's already fucking dead

>>713490563
i like 6 a lot, mostly because it has perfect parry and i'm autistic for them since i played 3rd strike as my main game for a long time
why the shitting on 6?

>>713493239
>calls it a weeb game
>weeb games are designed for troons with 0 attention span using flashy dashy zoom zoom gameplay
pottery

>>713493506
I fucking HATE how the whole thing looks.
I seriously struggle to put into words just how fucking repugnant I find this rendition of the characters. Street Fighter characters with realistic skin, hair and clothes look all kinds of wrong and retarded.
Needless to say I haven't played it but Drive Rush and whatever the armored thing is called look like absolute AIDS to play against too.

>>713492364
Even more annoying is that Wilds maps aren't even "open world" as people keep parroting. They're just the exact same swiss cheese map designs where more than half of the locale is made up of invisible walls. Rise unironically has more open and explorable maps than Wilds.

>>713493787
So what the fuck happened then?
How does it get this bad?
How does a company become progressively worse at using THEIR OWN fucking engine?

>>713472858 (OP)
RE Engine is optimized like complete dogshit for anything larger than tight hallways and mission based games
lack of monster diversity in the endgame kills the novelty of the hunts
and to top it all off, it's much easier to get endgame gear so the power players already wrapped up their builds
there's nothing left to do

>>713472858 (OP)
>Focus on story, because we all know we played Monster Hunter for the story
>Say you can skip the cutscenes
>Majority of the story happens in unskippable walking quests
>End up it's just MH4's story but shittier and with a shitty boss
>Remove lots of stuff from the game to make it easier for knuckle draggers so they can get more sales
>Lots of cosmetic dlc shit again
>Return of time gated event quests when people shat on it in World
>Deco Grind
>Monsters are the easiest they have ever been and may aswell be punching bags
>Free whistle for your invincible mount when you are in trouble
>Auto pilot mount to the boss so you can scroll tik tok like the zoomers they are
>No elder monsters at all
>No challenge what so ever
>No reason to gather for anything as quests will give you everything you need in 2 hunts
>Shills will just call this "qol"
>Focus mode which is a free stagger
>Focus mode for retards who cant fathom having to pre position.
>Less monsters than Monster Hunter 1 on PS2
>Ran like shit on anything that wasn't a 5090.
>No Monster hunter language
>No gathering hub at launch
>HERES A NEW TITLE UPDATE
>1 monster and variants
>Locales are certified slop with gathering points scattered long distances to force you to use the mount
World was the beginning of the end, wilds was the nail in the coffin.

>>713494557
they're not getting worse at using the engine so much as the engine itself was tailor made from the ground up for high fidelity, small map games like RE or mission based games like DMC
the engine wasn't built for larger map/open world games - they're trying to do too much all at once and the engine literally can't handle it
and since the engine is so specific in its design, it probably doesn't easily have a lot of shorthand tricks to optimize performance

>>713494973
I see, that makes sense.
I wish Capcom would stop cutting corners and admit their engine is not a good fit for most of their series.

>>713494807
this guy gets it
another franchise dying due to popularity

>>713495086
I'm sure some developers have tried to make the argument
but it's one of those things that's really hard to explain to leadership, because from their perspective
>we spent all this time and money creating our own engine, why wouldn't we use it for everything instead of paying some other company to license theirs?

Seikret soles on my dick.

>>713472858 (OP)
Nothing, it sold millions. Now reply to me without soundings mad :^)

>>713495539
Yeah... that is more or less what I imagine is going on at Capcom right now.
Suits and shareholders have always been a cancer but holy shit, the ones currently making decisions at Capcom need to fucking go.

>>713495735
Sadly Ryozo swears the game did so well thanks to the focus on the story. And suits and whoever is making decisions probably saw the sales and probably agree that the engine was the right choice as well. Reviews probably don't matter to them at all, not even losing players.

>>713494807
>>Deco Grind
Not even
The combinations of gems are limited and none of arbitrarily lower droprates this time
You get every actually useful combination before you're even HR100

>>713472858 (OP)
They forgot that people don't actually care about the story of Monster Hunter and took the wrong parts of World to expand on.

>>713495086
There is some attempt being done to address it that they've talked about at developers conferences, RE-X Engine. Which is basically just RE Engine but chopped up into a bunch of plugins so they can tailor it for specific genres.
Sounds to me like an attempt to be able to broadly use the same engine but not have it shit the bed the second they make something larger than a Resident Evil game.

>>713496059
No one cares, it sucks balls.

Charm is much much more better.

You can work a build around having shit charms but you can't really work around not having the right decos.

>>713496158
>but you can't really work around not having the right decos.
Yes you can because the game is piss easy
And nothing as crucial as Mighty Bow exists this time
I'd rather have it all be craftable but they'd probably make an entire set of gems only take 1 hunt worth of materials lol

Will they able to fix performance? I remember Iceborne running worse because of the snow or something so I don't see it happening.

>>713484186
>even on the garbage ass 960 you could get a minimum 1080p60
lol no, maybe you'd hit 60fps occasionally when there's nothing on the screen

>>713477049
Then you have never played mh. Mh games are usually played for at least 1000 hours. There are people still playing World, Rise, GU and even 4U.

>>713496283
Considering the latest updates fucked it up even more, no way.

>>713474018
It's a good turn-based game

>>713496283
Iceborne ran like shit the first week it was out cause they had tacked some other anticheat on top of all the crap already running on the game, and it wasn't even effective in the first place. After that it was back to basically 'normal' as far as World's performance was at that point, so still not well optimized but better than it was on release.

Wouldn't be surprised if Denuvo fuckery is part of what's making Wilds choke and die on most computers.

>>713495943
>Ryozo swears the game did so well thanks to the focus on the story.
Holy kek
Capcom shitting up their IPs is nothing new at this point but this is still disheartening, and even a bit surreal to hear. HOW is that the takeaway from Wilds success?

Their traditional incompetence got put in a blender with UE5's incompetence.

Every anon that celebrated the changes World made can get what they fucking deserve. We told you in 2017 it was all downhill from here and you didn't listen.

>>713496283
Nope.

Evenery time it's brought up they say "Nothing is wrong, make sure you're on the latest drivers and delete your shader cache."

They are cooked.

>>713476885
This. Gotta return to simpler story of you being grug hunting monsters for food. They can also spin the capture mechanic of fresher meat/eggs/whatever other shit they can get from an alive monster.

DD2 walked so Wilds could... limp?

Dumbing down the game for retards so they can make more money.

That is literally it.

>>713493738
drive system is actually great tbdesu
>parry system stops many cheesy cross-ups, you get predicted for taking the safe option you eat a throw
>perfect parry for my autism too that isn't a '1 frame only cuck or you get hit if you time it too early'
>drive rush gives new players chance against people who only lab combos and don't learn fundamentals and refuse to react or predict it
>also piss easy to get around if you aren't shit 99% of the time
>got rid of god awful comeback mechanic that was ultra supers
i could go on about how the drive gauge encourages back-and-forth and makes the game more fun to watch but eh, when you add all that in there's lots of resources to manage and they all interact with each other. think rock paper scissors with a bunch of other options and combinations that win/lose/tie, but you're not throwing at the same time

>>713496605
forgot to mention, fuck throw loops in the corner. i see pros fall for it often enough that i'm convinced it was a mistake. wish they added a teeny weeny extra bit of tech time specifically if you're getting grabbed on wakeup in the corner

>>713496283
Capcom couldn't fix Dragon's Dogma 2 I can't see them fixing this.

>One of the worst performing games in the modern age, doesn't look good enough to justify it
>Worst case of railroading ever put into a videogame, imagine not being able to steal cars in GTA until you finish the story. Gave thousands of people the complete wrong impression of the gameplay loop
>Weapon movesets are larger than ever but the skill ceiling is now practically at the floor, positioning no longer matters and every weapon now has a super move that's optimal to spam without restraint from almost anywhere at any time
>Monster health is balanced around players not spamming strong moves for some reason despite how easy it is to do
>Monster difficulty is just random moves being able to one-shot you because otherwise monsters don't stand a chance against people who figured out they could just spam offsets + strongest moves on repeat
>"Endgame" Artian weapons can be completed in a few hours, your reward is an ugly weapon that is unfortunately optimal. Layered weapons came late despite them making a big show about how they actually modeled all the weapons this time instead of going the BONED route
>Seikret is a necessity for getting around the map quickly but is also the worst mount ever designed in videogames
>Worst ice map in the franchise
I actually like the game more than World as playing it does not make me actively miserable but I would jump on 4U in a heartbeat if they ever decide to remaster it

>>713496283
>>713496710
They don't need to because not nearly enough people refunded this piece of shit in order for them to care.

>>713479705
>No MH Language
>No flex
No monster hunter fan would even look in this game's general direction and have already moved on with their life accepting that the series is dead.

>>713496283
The only way to fix it would be to redo the whole game in another engine lmao.

RE Engine is clearly not good enough for a high fidelity open world game.

>>713496749
>an ugly weapon that is unfortunately optimal.
Just use something else everything but Arch Tempered dies in 4 minutes anyways

I don't like the gameplay loop of "pick one of the 3 monsters that's worth doing and hunt them".
A game mode that puts you in a map and makes you fight tons of different monsters would have been so much fun.

>>713496839
this is true and also means the game has no real endgame at that point

I wish Capcom would port GU to PC.

>>713496892
You can just go out into the map and slap shit
But that wears off kinda quickly since you can kill everything on the map so fast you end up having to go somewhere else or else you're waiting for respawns.

>>713472858 (OP)
>what went wrong?
I've heard plenty of people complaining about gameplay issues and it running like shit. My friend that actually has a PS5 and plays every MonHun got it and stopped playing it in like a week, which was pretty shocking to me.

As for me I didn't buy it because nothing I own can run it. Suck my dick, Capcom, I'm not dropping 600+ dollars to play what looks like a downgrade from World. There's plenty of other games I can play.

t. 2,000 hours between World and Rise, beat Alatreon, etc., etc.

>>713496387
>>713496441
>>713496710
I mean they kinda have to at least try. If the game ran perfectly some people still wouldn’t get the DLC, that’s normal, World's peak was 20% lower during Iceborne. But now? Only the 60% of the people who didn’t run into performance issues are going to consider it. That’ll be like a fraction of a fraction. Capcom is retarded but I doubt they would be ok with that.

>>713496920
I had fun with Gen but I never want to see it or a Deviant monster again

>>713496995
>but I never want to see it or a Deviant monster again
Skill issue

>>713496920
I've though about this too but then I remembered they would just poison it with Enigma Protector too anyway and I stop caring.

>nightreign got a good endgame before wilds did
how does fromsoft do it

>>713497018
They have not used enigma since it got put out as russian spyware.

>>713497068
Has anyone actually checked for that? Most people stopped caring for some reason.
Capcom didn't acknowledge it or mention it in the Steam store until they literally had no choice. I would not be surprised in the slightest if they have added it to other games and failed to mention it.

>>713496762
>>713496972
Capcom, like all large companies selling media franchises, fails to understand the delayed effect of a bad release. They think there's no issues with Wilds because Wilds sold great, not realizing that Wilds sold well on the back of all the good will built up by World and Rise being so loved.

When they release the DLC to total silence they're not going to understand what's happening.

>>713497017
Fuck deviant tickets and fuck the game's entire upgrading system
Only reason I can see for making it that dogshit and hiding every upgrade behind ??? before you leveled each individual weapon was to make the nips buy the players guide

>>713497247
It got added to rise but not wilds.

>>713474319
Retard.
Plus the game looks ugly regardless. No excuse why it runs the way it does.

>>713497023
Adel's new phase sucks balls unless you're in an all ranged party. He's miserable to fight up close since every one of his bites and charges got a 3 mile wide electric hitbox on startup that makes Gaping Dragon look reasonable, and all he does is run back and forth across the room. Like the worst traits of every single Elden Ring boss in one, and then you bring three Ironeyes and he falls over dead in under a minute.

>>713496749
>but I would jump on 4U in a heartbeat if they ever decide to remaster
Why wait for a remaster?

>>713497332
>When they release the DLC to total silence
I fucking wish.
Capcom has successfully mindbroken an entire market, it is genuinely amazing to watch desu
They can, and will release broken trash and shitty games for the next 5 years or so and people WILL buy them all. Maybe by 2030 will they have exhausted their goodwill.

>>713497023
nightreign has an endgame?

>>713472858 (OP)
Boo fucking hoo, people played the game, finished it and moved on. I fucking guarantee Worlds had the same issue in what, 3 months?

Like, fuck off.

>>713497520
They're cycling in hardmodes of the bosses as weekly fight.
The rewards aren't anything amazing though, a few weird relic combinations that would be hard to roll normally and extra chalice options that still don't have an any-color slot so they aren't super useful for most of the characters.

>>713497560
Retard.

>>713474319
>Should've optimized it around my eight year old graphics card.
unironically yes
if you're a game developer releasing a mass market game right now and you aren't targeting the PS4 as your absolute minimum specs you're retarded. The PS5 and RTX cards have had a spectacular failure in taking over the marketshare. Every previous gaming "generation" was a transition period and then the new having taken over but this gen failed to get the ball rolling hard enough to make these high-minimum-spec games make financial sense.

Only a third of Steam users have an RTX card of any kind. Really think about that for a second.

>>713497560
>wilds peak 1300000
>world peak 334000
>wilds now 5000
>world now 10000
lmao

>>713497560
am I missing something? Worlds didn't lose as many players in 5 months, and I was told the base rooster in this game was the worst ever in the whole franchise

>>713496749
>I would jump on 4U in a heartbeat if they ever decide to remaster it
I never stopped playing 4u. I've been playing it for 11 years nonstop.

>>713472858 (OP)
I wouldn't call it quit when I hunted everything and played 150 hours.
I'd been playing MH games every day for the year and a half leading up to launch, finishing and grinding out 3U, 4U, GU and FU.
I don't want to play another monster hunter in a long time, i'm burnt out

>>713497612
We'll see. The first new boss relic was crap but I want to see the new Augur one.
The normal Augur one is a staple for my Recluse because it's just enough HP to not get 1-shot by a bunch of stuff.

>>713497717
World did not launch on PC, it was out for months on consoles and then people moved over to PC

>>713472858 (OP)
MH is a "solved" games, even streamers can just go online and read how to finish all content in a matter of a few weeks. It's not a mmo with regular updated and all, so it died by now because people just finished it, or gaveup on doing the walkthrough

>>713497663
The game doesn't even strain GPUs that hard, and cranking up the settings hardly makes it look any better, and hardly impacts performance on most PCs.
It's mostly a CPU optimization problem. Game's just keeping track of too much shit in the background at once, World had the same problem but unlike with RE Engine they seemed to be able to alleviate it a bit in updates.
>>713497746
Doesn't Augur's relic only add like 40 HP?
Unless the numbers were just fucked up when I was checking in the training area.

>>713497779
wouldn't that be even worse for wilds' case? from what I've seen games with delayed pc releases perform poorly because everyone saw what the game was or something, yet this kept that many players

>>713497882
>wouldn't that be even worse for wilds' case?
Yes, precisely.

>30 fps
>All monsters are shit
>PS3 graphics
>Retarded interface
>Every low rank monster dies in 2 hits (LMAO)
>Unskippable walking segments
>No endgame
>No Elder Dragons
>Less monsters than MH2 and 4
>No challenge
>No MH language
Is this the worst game of all time?

>>713497612
And that constitutes an end game?
Wheres the grind to get better materials to get an uber weapon/armor?

>>713497875
>Doesn't Augur's relic only add like 40 HP?
Flat 100, but it's far less than that it lets me live by in far too many cases. Particularly against bigger things and at much lower levels.
When this is your HP, 100 is a lot.

>>713472858 (OP)
>world team fagged it up again and made a railroad story plot and fagged up the multiplayer instead of making a FUCKING SEPERATE HUNTING LOBBY FOR JUST HUNTING WITH FRIENDS
gee I FUCKING WONDER?! I just want to hunt monsters, not deal with faggotry that got infinitely worse when most people on this board picked up this fucking game.

>>713474319
My 3090 runs the game like shit, it's an achievement in bad programming

>>713490515
Wild Hearts actually does run better. Decent game, too. The port suffers from some stuttering, tho.

>>713472858 (OP)
Timmy couldn't satisfy the jew unlike the brown bvlls

>>713472858 (OP)
They didn't quit they just Finished it
All the grind was practically removed and the game has no fucking content being released in comparison to past games. It's a good game but there's simply nothing left to do until more shit gets added.

>>713498123
Yeah I was gonna add "I'm not sure that constitutes much of an endgame" but I every way I worded it just sounded bitchy so I didn't write it.
The one relic that gives you a buff when you finish Evergaols is one of the best in the game but you can pull that randomly off of any regular run too. Its mostly just challenge shit and some goodies.

>>713497875
>It's mostly a CPU optimization problem.
Granted, but you see the exact same issue - games having their minimums targeting tech most people simply don't have.
A mass market product needs to actually be available to the majority of the market. That's just common sense.

>>713472858 (OP)
I thought capcom was healing. Didn't they learn from their mistakes? Who is to blame now?

>>713497717
Okay so what made world so different than wilds? I also keep seeing anons saying the shitmons in the base game were worse than wilds and somehow something is different here. Why didn't players then "beat the game and moved on" like so many claim here for wilds?

>>713498347
(((Shareholders)))

>>713498408
Autismos convinced they needed just one more 0.00018% drop chance (not an exaggerated number) Attack gem to make their build 'optimal'

Wilds can be fun when I'm playing SnS which is mostly free from the taint of focus mode, which I feel absolutely ruins and shits on the monhun formula for weapons like GS and CB. They even turned LS into a button mashing fuckfest of an experience full of boring free turning though.

>>713474018
there is beauty to the methodical gameplay. the hunter you control is, more or less, human. the weapon he swings is large and heavy, by necessity. to battle and triumph against giant monsters takes wits rather than dumb strength and bullheadedness. of course, that's all lost in these new games.

>>713498408
World PC release was a game chockful of content and rotating events and was just waiting for Iceborne.
Wilds release is a mistake and should have been on development for a year or even two.

>>713498556
>there is beauty to the methodical gameplay.
This.

>>713498580
2 years later we would've gotten the same casualized mess of a game with a couple extra mons to put into the blender to get chain toppled, statused and staggered in 5 minutes. In a sense, I'm glad they didn't waste even more time developing this disaster.

>>713498347
Funny how one gen later they go back to the same crap that was screwing them over during 7th gen.

>>713498724
Not the point. Wilds wouldn't fall off this fast if it had the same content as PC release World

Who cares, even if 50% of the players came back for the DLC that's still more than Worlds ever had.

>>713498804
It absolutely is the point. More monsters can't make up for a rotten foundation and more content would be simply wasted on this game.

>>713498837
That's real cool and all but how does that benefit people who wanted a good Monster Hunter game?

>>713498804
Let's not pretend World had an endgame beyond grinding for Attack decos and eventually Kulve gacha.

>play game
>love game
>take a break until new content so I can keep enjoying game
If anything, blame gaas.

>>713498986
then why did it keep 90k players after 5 months? is deco grinding and kulve that big of a pull?

>>713479291
Nice wall of cope.

>>713498408
Like the other anon said PC released with all content from Jho to Behemoth already out.

As for console we got TUs faster than Wilds and TU2 came with an entire new endgame grind with Kulve. By TU3 which was around the time Wilds TU2 launches we got Luna and they started releasing a new AT fight every 2 weeks. These things werent really cut content either as the devs came up with ATs as an after thought to satiate the massive playerbase.

>>713499085
I think this answers my question here >>713499068

>>713499068
The TUs for World were alright, but it kept its player base because it respected said player base enough to keep a bare minimum level of challenge in the game.

>>713498953
Nigger we're talking about player retention and drop off. Worlds gameplay was still shit and casualized even now but still managed to have better player retention because they already had a year of updates in with rotating events.

>>713498986
Still better than Wild's "endgame" and again, tons more content and side activities with the seasonal events already in rotation.

Like JFC, they had the whole goddamn open world bullshit but didn't manage to make it engaging and made grinding for mats and decos faster and easier instead. The fucking vision was there, throw the hunter in an open world and have him kill everything for rewards without having to go back to the hub. Instead we got a shitty story focused campaign and they even backtracked and brought back the hub anyway.

>>713499250
>Worlds gameplay was still shit and casualized
Some people like to say that. I don't even need to argue with it since Wilds' current results speak for themselves. World's success is what happens when you streamline the jank while making the core experience rock solid. Wilds' failure is what happens when you chase they money and approval of casuals while ignoring your core fanbase.

>>713499068
Yes. The series endgames were based on chasing the 1% gem drops for the longest time. When have something to target you keep playing. Nothing in Wilds is as time consuming as needing 1 Seregios Lens for your upgrade.

>>713499347
World was also casualised shit outside of behemoth.

>>713499347
>Some people like to say that.
Just parroting what most /v/tards are saying, really. It did casualized things but its a new entry and they put in more QoL stuff and better streamlined mechanics. Anyone bitching about clutchclaw better not be sucking Wirebug dicks

>>713499365
Honestly, I simply played World a shit ton because it was fun and didn't mind the deco grind much, I just wanted to kill all those lizards over and over. I always thought it was rather sad when people played with those drops in mind.

>>713479291
>There is not a single person I know who's an actual MH fan and actually dislikes Wilds
Out of all the obvious lies in your post, this one has to be the worst kek

>it runs like shit
>it plays like shit
>it looks like shit

I can't wait how Ryozo will influence future Capcom games like okami 2 now that he is the General producer of all Capcom's project.

>>713476962
That number is a little misleading, as it includes a massive amount of people who
>Bought it (possibly cause it was on sale) and never actually played it.
>Played it, but didn't like it. So they quit the game instead of wasting time on something that they think isn't fun.
Publishers/Devs misunderstanding this and thinking it's people "getting bored" or "having a low attention span" has had horrible effects on the games industry.

>>713479291
>You picked the game that looked the most fun to you or was the newest, and then you started playing the other games after finishing that game.
This is deranged. Do people actually do this? I love MH but all these games are the same thing. You play one for 100-500 hours and then stop until the next one comes out. This would be like playing all the Yakuzas back to back.

>>713474319
How has it been 4 months since the release and people think the issue is with the graphics card? The problem is the CPU. RE Engine is dog shit at open world games and you need a top of the line CPU to get good framerates, you can have a 4090 and still be getting sub-60fps if you have a dog shit CPU. It was like that for Dragon's Dogma too. Not that I'm defending Capcom, neither of these games should run as badly as they do.

>>713479291
>There is not a single person I know who's an actual MH fan and actually dislikes Wilds
I'm part of a discord focused on monhun and every single motherfucker in it is disappointed by Wilds. Almost the entire monster hunter general thread on /vg/ shits on the game non stop and almost everyone over there stopped playing it. Wilds is a disaster among monhun fans, and by this point only a couple influencers like gaijin still seem interested in defending it.

>tfw no fren to replay world & iceborne with because wilds was a mediocre snoozefest

>>713482623
This is what happens when you purposefully release unfinished games in the hope that you can dangle customers along with GaaS shit. Eventually people stop buying your games because they know they won't be actually finished unlike like 2 years after release at minimum, if they even get completed at all before EoS.

>>713499728
>still seem interested in defending it
because there's still potential. unfortunately, capcom is too retarded to see it.

>>713499663
It needs both a top tier CPU and GPU to run well actually, and will drop to sub 60 even on a 4080 in rainy scarlet forest.

I saw someone saying Rise lost like 90% of players in the same time too, but isn't that a totally different league? Like, Rise lost 200K players, Wilds 1.3 million. Maybe I'm wrong but dunno.

>>713499621
First boss is a bad sign but the real indicators is that the game lost almost half of the players before even engaging in the "endgame"

>>713499870
calling artian weapons endgame is an insult to deco farming and fighting the same monster for hours just for it to not drop the one material you need

>>713499810
Wish I could agree with that, but I feel like focus mode was a fundamental game design fuckup that needs to be removed from future entries at all cost.

>>713499662
>This would be like playing all the Yakuzas back to back.
I did this and it was fun. The only reason I didn't do all substories in most games is because the hostess minigame is dog shit and I shant play them.

>>713499962
>hostess minigame is dog shit
eat shit not!diner dash is fun

>>713499869
Rise sold mostly on Switch and it still has a community (How I have no fucking clue it looks and runs like ass on the shitch). Risebreak endgame on PC is pretty barren but shitch is very active.

>>713472858 (OP)
over 99.9% of players quit every game ever

Not that monster hunter isn't shit but steam numbers as a subject for a video is devoid of creativity.

>>713477283
How can you finish an unfinished game

>>713485441
Wilds reaches its launch total of 29 by including the Guardian recolors for Rathalos, Doshaguma, and Arkveld, so for fairness I'll do the same for other games.

>Monster Hunter Dos: 45 Large Monsters (15 recolors)
>Does just ported the entirety of Freedom 1's roster, that doesn't count!
Well, fair. Let's see some others then.

>Monster Hunter Tri: 18 Large Monsters
The current rusted standard for shitty rosters at the start of a generation.
>Monster Hunter 4: 52 Large Monsters (17 recolors)
4 spent a not-insignificant amount of effort bringing back most monsters from Gens 1/2 that were cut in Tri.
>Monster Hunter Generations: 71 Large Monsters (16 recolors)
Generations ported a shitton from MH3 and 4, but also opted not to include most of their subspecies.
>Monster Hunter World: 30 Large Monsters at launch (3 recolors)
This doesn't include the additional 5 monsters and 1 recolor it received in pre-Iceborne TUs.
>Monster Hunter Rise: 37 Large Monsters at launch (3 recolors)
Rise added 5 more monsters and 4 more recolors within two months of the games launch, in comparison to Wilds' soon-to-be 3 monsters at four months.

tl;dr While 40 monsters is fairly uncommon for a launch game without heavy asset reuse, Wilds is still only barely competing with launch World, while being at much worse pace for TUs.

>>713500069
Coping hard right now especially when Wilds sold more than world but world had a higher playercount on steam lmao.

>PC played base world just fine
>Iceborne performance was terrible >denuvo almost bricked the exact same PC and corrupted my save
>loaded a backup save but stopped playing after a couple content updates
>swear off buying any monhun game for PC again
>buy wilds for PS5
>minor hiccups but overall performance has been fine
Never been more vindicated in my life. Just wish the endgame didn't suck. I like the idea of crown hunting but there's no real reward for doing it.

>>713499958
lets be real here, no one actually uses focus mode aside from IGs and doing focus attacks

>>713500217
>no one actually uses focus mode aside from IGs and doing focus attacks
>This delusion

>>713499870
The end credits popping after low rank seems to me like it probably must have made a bunch of players drop it who thought "Oh it's over? The rest is just bonus content? Whatever I already killed king dragon". Idk why they put the ending so early in the game, they put all this epic music and credits and shit as if you've had a grand adventure but you barely did shit, when the credits dropped in MHWorld I was like "hell yeah I am the hunter of the new world", when they dropped in Wilds I was like "what? what's going on?"

>>713499870
Oh I was just talking about games in general, not Wilds in particular. Wilds has it's own mess of horrible problems.

>>713500235
I know that I don't, or my friends. But sure we can delude ourselves that everyone uses it

Why do I keep seeing that they ruined multiplayer?

What did they do

>>713500253
But they always do that though? Zorah Siege and Magnamalo both give you an "ending" and abridged credits. That didn't stop people from playing those games past that.

>>713500116
Even though rise has more monsters I think world's starting roster was better. There's a lot of literal who's and jobbers in wilds and a lot of the new guys aren't very interesting

>>713472858 (OP)
>needed decent hardware as an entry fee
>tons of people who played mh via world the first time come back
>between being familiar with the game and the metric ton of optimization even the biggest window licker can fly through it
>bigger areas but now have a mostly competent mount system
>crown hunting is piss easy fast
>monsters shit parts so much you'll probably only be looking for tickets and not specific monsters
>it's a bigger world than World but the starting roster size is basically the same with a little more variety
>now get 7 or so monsters on a map but again the areas are so much bigger they can still feel empty at times
>another year of dripfeeding before a drought leading to expansion then another dripfeed before end of service
not saying it's good or bad but it basically boils down to the game really respects the player's time. Something most people did not expect

>>713472858 (OP)
>They killed Dragons Dogma for this slop franchise built upon twitch ads and paid vtumors
Itsuno was the only good part in that crap company.

>>713500442
>Great Fagras
>Shitlumu
>TziTzi Ya who the fuck cares
>Jyuratodus
is this bait? this feels like bait.

>>713500530
I can't blame him for leaving desu
I hope he does well wherever he goes.

>>713500069
World kept an average of 60k for a whole year. Rise had at minimum like 16k too. This game has been out for 5 months and went from 1.3 million to 5k, retention should be similar to the previous games, but no. This game must have done something wrong.

>>713500775
WHO
FUCKING
CARES
ABOUT
NUMBERS
you're no stockholder bro

I beat it
I moved on
see you next DLC

wilds was forgotten so fucking fast

>>713472858 (OP)
ran like shit no matter what
lack of content
i had endgame everything minmax within a week and a half of getting it not playing daily
idk i just went to go play rise for a few dozen hours after

>>713500879
it's telling more people are playing previous titles compared to the newest game
cope seethe

>>713500879
Is this a post in defense of Wilds?
If so, tell us how it is better than either Rise or World.

>>713474319
unironically this, optimization is key for an online game, don't know what were they thinking

world has an endgame activity (guiding lands)
wilds has uh
idk, I didn't buy it because it looked like shit and the demo ran like shit for me (no I'm not upgrading for a low rank mh game)

Fuck yeah who's excited to keep grinding gore, zoh shia, and arkveld until master rank because artian sloppa is the only endgame!

>>713472858 (OP)
It's shit and unoptimized

>>713472858 (OP)
Stupid fucking comparison but I felt like I was playing Borderlands. Like yeah, this is indeed a video game and you do have chores but I wasn't really engaged.

>>713472858 (OP)
monster hunter
you hit monster
it roars
you hit it again
it roars and runs away
you chase it
it roars whilst running
you get to it
it roars
you hit it
it roars and does 1 attack
you hit it
it roars and dies
you collect the loot

rinse and repeat, monster hunter is fucking shit

>>713500879
>who cares about a healthy playerbase where the main draw is online co-op
retard alert

>>713476584
I recall a friend telling me something like this years ago. Expecting Capcom to make another mainline game for the casuals but not meeting expectations, possibly now having to temper itself and give what fans want. Granted this seems to be more an issue of technical woes and also possibly Capcom's dev pipeline, which especially seems to have backfired seeing World clearly relied on player retention with the dripfeed. Not to mention seven years of MHWI would make older fans a mere minority in his use of the word at the time.

>>713501285
>summons ai companion to play the game for me
*sips*

>>713501285
I only play solo or with friends lul

>>713501595
That's a man

>>713472858 (OP)
I liked it. The story bit was neat, but droned on a bit too long at times. I liked the callback to 4th gen.
There's just not really anything to do in it anymore. They made the grinding super easy so there's not really a need to keep playing.

>>713500775
>1.300.000 to 5.000
Jesus, seeing the actual numbers is insane. Percentages are really deceptive.

>>713501595
The AI companions who contribute no meaningful damage, while also enabling multiplayer HP scaling for monsters, meaning that hunts overall take longer than solo?
Those AI companions?

>>713501740
Yes, aren't you complaining that all the fights take 5 minutes? Then there you go.

You just have one copy, bro?

>>713501807
Oh goody, now instead of a boring 5 minute fight, I can do a boring 10 minute fight where the monster keeps disengaging to go attack a braindead npc.

>people finally wake up to nu-MH being shit
>all the problems listed started in world
>when world came out i hated it and instantly listed the myriad problems with it
>get ignored and called a heckin gatekeeper
Surprise surprise, when the fucking normalfags FINALLY realise it's shit, they come crawling back

>>713501947
Uhh no? They went back to World. They still love it.

>>713472858 (OP)
they're all playing rise now

>>713479291
>wilds
>fun monsters
every monster is a fucking shitmon punching bag that dies in 90 seconds

>>713501740
Yeah, problem?

>>713482623
29-2

>>713501119
It has better graphics than Rise
Doesn’t have easy bail mechanics like Rise
Multiplatform
Better Multiplayer

I can keep going

>>713502408
coping*
sorry for the typo.

>>713502408
>Better Multiplayer
This was always strange to me because they already have a template from World. Was it just the shit nintendo netcode stopping them from having proper lobbies?

Got too big for their breeches

>>713502408
>It has better graphics than what started as a Switch game
Yeah, no shit.
Are you sure you want to use graphics as a talking point in favor of Wilds? It is an unoptimized piece of SHIT, and the hardware required to make it look halfway decent and be playable is completely out of proportion with that you get in return.
>Doesn’t have easy bail mechanics like Rise
lmao
>Multiplatform
Fair
It sure as fuck needs it considering how many people on PC dropped it.
>Better Multiplayer
Also fair.

>I can keep going
Yeah, I bet you can.

People are just fed up of souls-slop combat. or 1 player wow raid combat, or trial and error paint by numbers combat, whatever you call it

elden ring was the last hurrah for this style of gameplay and everyones burnt out on it/wants something new

>>713503051
>People are just fed up of souls-slop combat. or 1 player wow raid combat, or trial and error paint by numbers combat, whatever you call it
That's real cool and all but what does that have to do with Monster Hunter?

the /vg/ general hates wilds and considers it smoothbrain normie bait shallow garbage.
of course the casuals with under 200 hours in it like /v/ think its good though

>>713503146
/mhg/ went from being one of the comfiest, most fun generals ever to being absolute SHIT the instant World was released, who the fuck cares what they think?
Don't get me wrong, even a broken clock is right twice a day but you still should never imply current /mhg/ has anything worth saying.

>>713503092
its the same slop combat
big monster, run around, wait for it to do its pre programmed set of moves until theres an opening, hit it once or twice, then run around again

>>713503281
>pre programmed set of moves until theres an opening, hit it once or twice, then run around again
tell me you haven't played the game without actually telling me

>>713472858 (OP)
I tried to play it with my girlfriend an hour ago and the servers aren't even working, same as the last 3 days

we're playing split fiction instead

>>713503281
What compelled you to give your opinion about a series you have never played?
Did you just see a thread with hundreds of replies and felt left out? Wanted to participate? I get it.

>>713472858 (OP)
we played it and moved on. it's a single player story game.

>>713503281
not really a MH issue alone, but this is why most real time 3d single player combat sucks. its paint by numbers. best way to 'git gud' is to watch youtube guides for the bosses, takes 0 time and youre now an expert at MH (or dark souls)

>>713493787
rice runs well because it's maps are relatively small, extremely jungle

>>713503012
>>713502503
>>713502498
Here we go again, Nintendo can do no wrong, it’s okay when they do it

>>713496158
funny thing is charms got fixed and ruined at the same time after you beat amatsu and get qurio charms, fixed because it is extremely easy to get shit like base rise god charms, max critboost/wex/crit eye/attack boost with 3 lvl 2 slots but got ruined as well because now they introduced even better god charms with shit like dragon conversion/furious, mail of hellfire, berserk, frostcraft which elevates the power level to extreme heights

world had more players than wilds has now even a year ago, and that was a 5+ year old game

>>713474319
This but unironically.

>>713501595
They look so...diverse.

They made it a singleplayer cinematicslop game, of course it has no retention

people are fed up with all the open world fight big enemy games
same way that they got fed up with all the battle royale games or moba games
gacha trash like genshit having the same thing didnt help

>>713478296
World went through a year long lack of content before Iceborne bumped it from. 3/10 shitfest to an actually good fame

>>713472858 (OP)
this video is gona looks really dumb when 97% of players come back for the update in a week

>>713472858 (OP)
it ran so poorly my rig thats very beefy that i just didn't buy it. It had the same issue that fucking dragons dogma 2 did, where it ran way shittier than it should have because they can rely on dlss bullshit. Spend the extra 6 months and optimise the fucking game or i won't buy it. No reason to drop below 60 fps ever on a 4080super

>>713474018
you're either baiting or you're a fromsoftnigger

>>713500698
He's working for a chinese mobile game company. Either he's fucked or we will get another Wukong (doubt it)

>>713500397

Zorah has credits in World? No way, I don't remember that, also Rise story was also ass but it felt pretty obvious that Magnamalo wasn't the real end.

Does MHWilds even have High Rank credits? I killed Gore and just stopped playing cause I didn't care anymore. I want to not see this game at all until they "fix" it or something changes very very much

>>713501901
in my experience the NPC hunters either didn't affect the time or slightly shortened it lol, there's no underestimating the power of dividing agro between 4 people.

>>713472858 (OP)
Having the same issues as modern Pokemon. The fanbase being mindless drones isnt helping of course

>>713504569
The real ending wasn't even in base Rise

Wilds is the ugliest fucking AAA game of the 2020s like yeah Concord's artstyle and characters looked hideous and shit but thats because the characters were designed like ass Wilds looks just fucking terrible especially the oil well basin

>>713472858 (OP)
This is true of literally every single MH.
People come back for the updates
Some people stick around for seemingly forever.
but 90%+ stop playing as soon as they beat the 'story' part. if not before.
Yes, even your favourite MH. I was shocked when I saw the internals to MH3Us players.

I wanted to get into monster hunter and imma pick up world instead desu

What's with all these MH shitposting threads recently? Are we being raided by nintrannycord again?

>>713472858 (OP)
Wilds is so fucking trash it has me playing GU again and I kind of hate GU.

>>713505472
What does "m-muh Nintendo..." have to do with anything, you obsessed console warring retard?

reminder wilds still hasn't reached famitsu 1million milestone by now, every other MH reached this within 1 month

>>713502408
*seikretfalls in your path with no cooldown*
lmao

>>713472858 (OP)
Really intrusive singleplayer lowrank story draining interest from people that just want to drop in and kill shit with friends Helldivers-style, really bland and shallow long-term progression draining interest from people that just want to grind to infinity (new deco system in particular was a mistake, artian weapons are pretty bad too).
Low difficulty hurts the game a lot too and exacerbates how dumbed down the grind feels, and there isn't really any tough fight in an upcoming update to prepare for. Cutting every elder dragon in favour of giving the apex predators more spotlight hasn't really worked out so far, they all feel like total jobber monsters. Feel for Laggy fans but I don't think another normal-ass leviathan is what the game needs right now.
The lowrank story is a lost cause but apparently they're reworking lategame progression. Difficulty is unfortunately difficult to fix because so much of the roster is forgettable midgame chaff(worse than World's somehow), but hardmode apexes might be enough filler to get people playing until the next update, assuming the rewards are worthwhile but tough to get.

People have stopped playing because they finished the game. You can basically play World forever because there's almost always more to do. Even just little things, like getting rainbow pigment, unlocking canteen shit, fucking, doing scavenger hunts for the midgets. Lot of shit to do on the micro level.

>>713490967
Was thinking the same

Place your bets. Will Riseborne salvage this game and return MH to its former glory?

>>713505472
There is some discord that starts spamming these threads whenever the game is going to get an update with the goal of trying to “make the game fail” because they really don’t want Capcom to keep using this engine since their computers aren’t good enough

>>713505472
Its the indians with shitty PCs, also known as 99% of 4chan's userbase. There's screenshots of poorfag MH discords trying to coordinate review bombs for the game cause they can't play it. It's just retards that need to be shot

>>713472952
They're indians though

>>713507351
>>713507401
Capcultists are fucking insane kek
Imagine coming up with these deranged stories to try and defend a shitty corporation selling a shitty product, holy fuck.

>>713481434
>Wilds has more stuff from the classic games in it than World and is not nearly as casualized as World was
>preparation through the villagers giving you important items.
Holy fucking bait. someone actually wrote this nonsense and probably believe in this shit. WTF is wrong with this retard anon

Maybe people come back once they put more monsters in it

>>713507539
>a shitty corporation selling a shitty product
You mean like Rise? It was a shitty product by the same shitty corporation, and came out on the shitties platform of all. Surely you agree, right?

>>713507901
I wouldn't know, I never played Rise.

Monster Hunter should be an easy game to provide infinite content. Just make investigations more varied, almost randomized. Like a quadruple tempered Arkveld hunt. Or a Rey Dau hunt but it had double HP. Or Congalala fight except you’re poisoned the entire fight. They could just add random modifiers and make each investigation more unique and give you a reason to play them for the challenge.

>>713499663
Because the CPU has never been an issue in the past for AAA slop, 30fps and even 24fps has been required previously due to GPUs, and when it gets choppy, why would you think it's the fault of the thing that isn't responsible for frames?
Sincerely no-one knows how badly programmed shit has become.

>>713474018
well there's a lot of screeching but not a single refutation so I have to assume that the games are in fact like this
what a bunch of trash

>>713508057
Just make guiding lands in big with monsters scaling up to special investigstion power with some randomization in stats and maybe environmental hazards that dont help the hunter for once. Materials can then be used to adjust weapon and armour stats so even early shitmon armour parts can have their use but this would require a proper set building in first place.

>>713499621
and their idea is making it even more boring, by adding long, overproduced cutscenes and walk and talk segments

>>713497023
Buy an ad fromshill

nice youtube shilling, did this show up in your feed with the latest mr beast video and some other nigger faggot like that ugly jew woman with massive glasses and septum piercing?

>>713472858 (OP)
>game called "Monster Hunter"
>You hunt monsters
>been like this for 20 years
>year 21, Capcom decides "What if... not hunt monsters?"
Damnit I want my healing to solely based on what I bring and the meager rations the Guild provides, and if that's not enough its time to gather honey and herbs to justify that 50 minute mission

>>713472858 (OP)
it already sold over 10 millions and sent the wrong message.

People would rather go back to World than Rise xd

Wilds is great and whatever you want the series to be will never return.
Get fucked granpa

>>713509324
>the game once was loved is now slop and will always be slop
Ok

>>713501595
Post Rise support hunters to show the downgrade.

>>713509324
yeah people dropping the game really shows how great it is.
braindead retard.

Aside from more than 80% of pc mhwilds buyers are from china, FOTM has always been a thing, only pvp games managed to retain more than 15% of their peak after few first months. Stop acting surprised, chart thread and trendfagging in general truly was a mistake.

>everyone called me a Nintendofag when I shit on World
>after accepting that MonHun is a casual franchise and playing World and Wilds, NOW everyone has decided the casualshit is bad
Make up your minds.

>>713472858 (OP)
What made the deluxe edition different?

>>713474319
Unironically me
I stopped upgrading a while ago even though I could
This whore son market will cater to my demands or die

>Over 97% Players Quit
Yea that's pretty normal for single player gam... oh this is a bout mh

remember when maps gradually opened up so you learned them and how they were distinct
and how the current map is a vertical nightmare stack of tunnels that only the chocobo can traverse

>>713472858 (OP)
Normalfags can't tell the difference between real and fake frames.

>>713507901
>muh rice
lmao literally rent free and MINDBREAK, no one mentioned mice anywhere

>>713490137
frog website

dont care still waiting for g-rank not playing your alpha test

>>713472858 (OP)
People realized that they've been playing the same game for the last 20 years.

>>713512998
It's the opposite. People notice they aren't playing the same game anymore.

>>713508870
Did a lot of you guys think the intended way to play these games was to solo the Hub missions or something? Mon hun was never super hard if you were stopping to gather more potions in a quest I seriously wonder wtf you were doing

If you hate World and Wilds yet love Rise then you are 100% a mentally ill Nintentard
Imagine liking something that looks like animeslop frontier ripoff

>>713472858 (OP)
Streamlined to the point you might as well not play it, focused way too hard on being a serious story which still managed to be the same generic story as every other game but now with more walking and talking, game was too easy so no real need to do additional hunts to get better gear, just not fun to play in general.

Monster Hunter Wilds was my introduction to the series and I was disappointed at how unsatisfying the combat felt. Not because weapons have a long warmup time, but that positioning didn't seem all that important in spite of it. Focus mode is apparently a new feature that makes wounding monsters way too easy and so I purposefully avoided it whenever possible and also disabled my Palico entirely. Even then, the monsters didn't seem aggressive at all and attacked in random directions. I probably should finish the main story, but I got bored after the second or third one.

I think I was even more disappointed at the lack of anything that would make it feel like a hunt since you just get railroaded right to where the monsters are, not to mention the narrative I couldn't care less about. So yeah, there's 70 bucks down the drain, hahaha.

>>713474319

>>713479291
>There is not a single person I know who's an actual MH fan and actually dislikes Wilds.
Well then this serves as a good point how your personal clique does not speak for the rest of the fucking world.
I love MonHun, I may have less time to play, but I play older games (as in, pre-world) every single week atleast. Just because I disagree with the direction the series went over the last few titles, doesn't mean that I hate the series or at the very least what it stood for in the earlier entries. Am I an outlier? Perhaps, but this should be more than enough to dissuade your silly notion that unless you love the latest entry you're ""not a real fan"" or whatever bullshit you're on about.

>release game that doesn't even comfortably run on modern hardware
>make trillions
Explain to me why developers should bother optimizing if the goy will eat up the slop anyway

My favourite thing has been seeing everyone suddenly praising Rise after spending its entire life complaining about it.

I like to bing

>>713472858 (OP)
A Monster Hunter game that you don't play for ATLEAST 500-1000 hours is not a good Monster Hunter game.
We may all have and say different reasons for why we play the game for that long, but at the end of the day it's the only objective comparison we can make. Most fans played pre-5th gen games for 1000+ hours, individually. Many fans played World for around 1k hours, despite all its shortcomings.
Contrast this with Wilds (and Rise to some degree too). The overwhelming majority -even ITT- stop around 100-200 hours.
We may come up with all sorts of reasons as to why it is, but again, we can see the immense decline in playtime which was NEVER the case in the frachise. This is an exceptionally large difference in how long the average players play a monster hunter game.

>>713472858 (OP)
Just goes to show how people shouldn't buy into hype.
When it came out, I kept saying "Looks like shit, not going to get it," but I was quickly overruled by a tidal wave of praise, people claiming it was the 10/10 best game ever, best Monster Hunter, etc.
I just shrugged my shoulders and tried to forget about it and now, lo and behold, all the paid shilling has evaporated and now everyone is pissed off.
I'm pretty sure I can just outright see the future, when compared to you retards. I'm just a higher, more ascended type of being.

>>713514634
There is still plenty of anti rise shitposting.

>>713514634
>everyone
It's new bad old good shitposters who did the same thing with World when Rise was the current game, GU when World was the current game, etc, etc. Not to defend Wilds' piss poor state but people fellating the previous G Rank game has happened every time a base game has come out.

>>713476584
>IP based around reusing assets AND fans applaud it
>NEW MONSTERS!?!?!?!? WHERE RATHIAN!??!?

>>713514634
I'm a gunlance main, why would I ever shit talk Rise.

>>713515418
The funny thing is you thinking any MH game ever was good in the first place.
I'm a far more advanced being than you for I have always seen this series for the shitpile it always has been.

>>713504728
Yes it was. It's been in the base game for four fucking years now.

>>713472858 (OP)
nerfed HBG

>>713516321
I can only hope to be as wise as you one day.
Either way, we're united in not spending money on this shit. I learned not to trust Capcop when I thought Dragon's Dogma 2 looked shitty, but bought it anyway because I didn't want to miss out on the hype of paying it with everyone on release.
BAD mistake. I learned my lesson.

>>713514634
Rise is still the most blatantly hated MH. It's just that the haters moved on to shitting on wilds while the defenders never left.

>>713514861
Speak for yourself. I've been playing since the original, and Rise was the first to break the 1000-hour point for me.

Rise probably has the highest frequency of fights you just enjoy experiencing intrinsically

>>713516106
GU never got that treatment. Any threads about it were constantly brigaded by worlos when it finally came out in the west, and the only time people talked about it was well over a year later whenever it went on sale.

>>713472858 (OP)
>what went wrong with monster hunter?
Outsourcing to incompetent pajeets.
I hate Indians so much it's unreal.

>>713474018
Based. I played a demo of one of the 3ds games back in the day and fighting a monster was so repetitive and boring that I deleted is as soon as I finished. I thought it would fill the void PSO left but the lack of red boxes and the somehow even slower gameplay was just too boring.

>>713474319
Well yeah, the selling point of the PC is that once you built one you didn't have to shell out money anymore unlike consoles that have a generational tax

>>713516106
I feel like it’s been a lot more annoying and coordinated with Wilds, I’ll read criticism and it seems more like a sales pitch than anything real

>>713472858 (OP)
I watched someone stream it and the endless cutscenes were so fucking boring I decided I never want to play it. Doesn't help that i didnt like world as much as 4u.

>Worlds
>Rise
>Wilds
GU was the last good monhun game.

>>713511032
Because only Nintendofags shit on World.
Wilds is shit on by even e-celebs and asmongold audience.How many videos did AngryJoe or Asmongold made to shit on MH World?

>>713472858 (OP)
worse gameplay than world
worse visuals than world
worse performance than world
doesn't offer enough new to make up for it
still a fun game but just nothing special
world was exciting because it was a monhun game for ps4 and then pc instead of some shitty 240p nintendo handheld

i keep telling myself i will get back to it but i just haven't had that urge yet

>>713472858 (OP)
I'm glad this game turned out to be an embarrassment. Hopefully capcock will wake the fuck up.
All the YouTube shills should also be stoned in public.

>>713518309
i saw the shill youtube already make video and instead of blaming capcom or optimization
he blamed modders
and he was serious about it

>>713472858 (OP)
What went wrong was that instead of making a new game to cater to non monster hunter fans Capcpom decided to try to give those people Monster Hunter

I'm interested in playing Wilds as I have 500+ hours in World and Rise each, but I only have a 2560x1440 monitor and I guess my 2070 Super is a 1440p card no longer. Needs DLSS to run most modern games well and apparently Wilds is hard to run.
Unrelated but I thought the OP image was typical inaccurate youtube ragebait but Wilds has 10k players currently and World has 15k players currently. Is Wilds really that bad?

>>713494807
Should've gatekept harder.

>>713472858 (OP)
>Thumbnail
Mod?

>>713519264
its crazy to me because monster hunter was THE niche game franchise in the west and then it became this blockbuster
its like if a new king's field game came out and it sold millions of copies in days and launched the series into super stardom its so strange

>>713477283
Your point makes sense for players who bought the game at launch, but where are all of the people who have been purchasing the game since then? If the game is still supposedly doing well and is on track to be the best selling game in the series then it should've at least shifted a million or so more copies between launch and now and have a pretty stable player base, with new players coming in to replace the ones who are done with the game, but instead it's gone down like a lead balloon. Not only are players dropping the game, nobody seems to be picking it up either.

>>713474319
If it runs on your toaster it would run on mine too and that makes my investment meaningless. Fuck off.

>>713472858 (OP)
is monster hunter 5 out yet?

>>713474319
Holy fucking based

>>713516870
Well then you're in the minority. Good for you by the way, but still far from the norm.
According to SteamSpy, the average playtime for Rise is 42-92 hours (median and average respectively)
https://steamspy.com/app/1446780
while Wilds goes down even further to 50-63 (median and average respectively)
https://steamspy.com/app/2246340

If we discredit this website for some reason, then you could ask others' playtime on various sites/platforms to confirm for yourself.

>>713518934
Within a month the game had already dropped 80% of players and it's only continued to drop from there. There's just no content and it runs poorly

>>713472858 (OP)
People beat the game or grow bored and move on, not that complicated

>World has a small roster, a shitty endgame, a mediocre post-launch and runs poorly
>it's the first MH on modern home consoles and PC, so people mostly forgive the shortcomings
>7 years later, Wilds releases with the same exact problems, except the performance are even worse
>there is no longer the excuse World had, so people don't have the patience to deal with this shit again

Capcom stated multiple times that PC is their major platform now and Wilds apparently sold more on PC than console, yet they gave full priority to the console version.

>>713507476
ew, even worse.

>>713520006
your fault for spending $3000 on a gpu

>>713520843
>Capcom stated multiple times that their shareholders are the main platform
ftfy
Do you not remember how they boasted on paying dividends after Dragon's Dogma 2 release and they reported nothing on the state of the game and its future?
And they had the balls to claim that the game is a "major" franchise and we got jackshit support from then when they realized that the sales stagnated and the game sold a merely 200k more copies after a year of its release.
Same shit with Wilds, it released before the fiscal year ended and their priority was to pay those shareholders while sacrificing everything else.
Don't be surprised that the game is on maintenance mode now with few updates despite it selling initially 10 million copies, word of mouth spreads fast and I'm sure the sales stagnated just like DD2's did.
Their focus now is the next RE game which coincidentally will release before the end of this fiscal year next February.

>>713520649
this, it's a story focused single player game without multiple endings, so people just beat it and move on, it's not rocket science duh

Capcom has the most obsessed haters and fans. It's fucking insane. Fly to Osaka and suck their dick already faggots.

>>713520843
Capcom is like 3-4th richest vidya company out there
this is unacceptable that the game runs like shit

>>713472952
FILHO DA PUTA
FEIJOADA

>>713479291
>all the people who picked up Wilds first and are now playing the rest of the MH games, and this is how MH has always been experienced as a franchise by newcomers.
generally, bullshit.
When a friend and I started on freedom 2 on the psp, nobody was going back.
When we introduced a friend to MH (his first was rise) he tried wilds (10hrs at best) and world (around 30hrs) and then decided that wilds was trash, worlds wasn´t as bad but rise is still the best and since then he only want to play rise.
Since he´s a normie, he wishes that rise would have wilds/world visuals (as in more realism than a chosen artstyle) but at least he´s right that rise has the most sophisticated mechanics if it comes to the last 3 MHs.

>>713521396
Monster Hunter doesn't have Capcoms top tier talent on hand. That would be the RE team and Onimusha team.

>>713517965
I hate nintendo and world.

>>713521683
Goddamn you bitter faggot. Who do you like?

>>713472858 (OP)
>quit
nah, waiting for the expansion. Idgaf about updates I can play later or fomo quests whose material I can mod in anyway

>>713483475
Fucking retard. It ran fine way before iceborne

kek, fucking normalfags and their zero impulse control, it was SO obvious that it was pure shite..
Oh well, at least it funded the next Capcom game

>>713521993
>Oh well, at least it funded the next Capcom game
...Which will also be pure shite because Capcom are completely washed up as a company

>>713483475
/v/ completely memoryhole'd teostra's nova turning the game into a slideshow or thunder element weapons stuttering the game like crazy.

>>713521396
No actually that's how you become the "richest company'. Your main customer is shareholders and you push out garbage games that are outsourced to bugs and shitskins aka Wilds

I'm of the opinion the series wasn't worth touching until World and there's still plenty there that was behind the times (like following standards for modern online gaming what the fuck is wrong with the Japanese? )

I've only heard Wilds has terrible optimization since it launched and nothing else.

>>713521220
i wonder if they try to push pedomata out before the fiscal year ends.
wont buy it anyway but might pirate it when the gameplay isn´t as boring as their current releases.

>>713522237
These people didn’t forget they’re just running an agenda and it’d be inconvenient to acknowledge that

>>713522237
Worked on my machine.

>>713491954
That would change nothing as people still would have played the game and stopped after beating it. What a retard you turned out to be.

>>713522326
RE9 and Onimusha are for sure coming next year. Pragmata will probably be delayed till 2027.

>>713483402
You know in Wilds, if you miss the initial hit of TCS, it nerfs the damage the final swing does by like 80% right?

>>713472858 (OP)
no 60fps? no buy. ite called not being brown and having standards.

>>713500775
Yeah and it’s called “they didn’t optimize it for PC at all and in fact, made shit worse with the Akuma patch”.
It’s probably why the PS5/Xbox version still has high user review scores as well.

>>713521220

Oh god please don't tell me we're going back to pre RE7/ post RE4 times

Why can't we just have innovation in survival horror? Why does it have to be this way?

I actually like the combat in Wilds, even focus mode is at least a better gimmick than clutch claw if nothing else. And I appreciate how they finally made blocking good since most of the weapons I play have shields. Problem is everything else. The game has the worst maps in the series, not only because their themes are mostly bland but because they're designed around that shitty bird mount. I really think the seikrat is at the root of a lot of the game's design problems, when you put your maps together based on this auto hunt feature you no longer need to care about level design, or so they thought. The funny thing is that they attempted to cut out busy work in hunting and added a bunch everywhere else. Why do I need to go to all these villages to do the equivalent of farming when it was fine before being at base?

>>713522658
>called not being brown
Where is your 5090 then cause it can get 60fps even on 4k.

>>713521315
>>713520649
That's the issue; it's supposed to be a monster hunter game which was up until now always guaranteed hundreds of hours
It's even more grim that 50% of players got to artian weapons since I don't think most games ever have people get that far
between the lack of content, challenge, fun, color, soul, optimization, and even grind, it's no wonder this is the worst MH yet
Nobody would care if it were any other single player game

>>713523124
Did you finish the story? After that you can just talk to Nata and he will automatically handle any item gathering or trades. You just need to go to villages to get a free meal.

>>713523251
I think the last time some anon compared the steam achievements for world, rise and wilds. Even wilds completion rate is stupid high.

>>713523280
You still need to talk to each person in the villages at least once to get started farming mats, it might not take a ton of time but it still feels like pointless legwork they tacked on to justify their attempt at open world.

>>713496283
They probably no longer have any practical way of optimizing the game that does not reduce the graphics quality for max settings, which they will not do.

>>713523486
You have to do a sidequest for each person I thought
I seriously wonder if you even played this game

>>713523480
So it sounds like more people beat the full story in Wilds than anything, but then Wilds failed to keep the hardcore audience alive like World/Rise did.

Which really isn’t surprising at all, you don’t really need to grind that much unless you want a perfectly rolled Artian Weapon, which most people fucking hate as well.

>>713472858 (OP)
There's nothing else to do and the basic gameplay loop has been streamlined so hard that it just makes the game boring
>focus mode completely negates the need to learn proper positioning and timing, just have full 360 turning during attacks
>with wounding and focus mode, the odds are stacked very in favor of the player, to the point where even 'dangerous' monsters pose no threat
>barely any pre-hunt prep, just eat/restock whenever
>no need to fight monsters for mats, most weps just use Artian as their best in slot
>hope you like fighting Tempered Arkveld for those mats btw, because that's all you'll be fighting
>optimized like complete shit and is getting worse, so it feels shit to play for most people and still is rough for those with good rigs
>story is a whole lot of nothing and has those stupid 'follow behind NPC while they talk' sections
>no need to learn maps, just hop on the Seikrat and it will take you wherever you want immediately
>surprisingly unintuitive UI for something as simple as playing with friends
>"We aren't authorized to hunt that monster"
I was so excited, but it feels like such a lousy entry, I sincerely think they streamlined all the fun out of hunting

>>713523624
I was just playing yesterday, as far as I know you don't need a side quest to do mat farming, you just need to talk to the mat NPC in each village. Unless they aren't available until you do a certain amount of unrelated side quests in that village or something. They also don't seem to be available at all before high rank.

>>713472858 (OP)
>try monster hunter world to see what the big deal of this franchise is
>MMO like with daily challenges and shit
>all you do is run around chasing and killing sponge bosses to craft gear through a massive jungle and after a couple of hours it gets very repetitive and painful
>you cant pause
>dub is shit and its unplayble with the original voices because theres alot of information that you need to know
>combat is extremely clunky
>uninstalled
>aparently wilds is the same shit but extremely unoptimized

fuck this franchise thank god i tried worlds first

I'm not paying $70 for a base monster hunter game with a $50+ expansion coming within the next year.

>>713524019
Most (if not all? I can’t remember) gatherers will have a side quest tied to them that unlocks farming mats for you.
I guess the one in Suja doesn’t, but she’s kind of the tutorial for it.

>>713522237
>>713483475
world ran fine. Not everyone was a 3rd worlder running it with igpu

>>713522926
What the fuck was innovative about RE7?

Speaking of story, why does it want me to constantly feel bad about killing monsters? The game is called fucking monster hunter, all this shit transplanted from some modern greenpeace shit into a borderline unga bunga caveman world where you're basically a big game hunter feels out of place. I have the same complaints about World, but it's worse in Wilds.

>make grinding game
>get rid of the grinding
Western plebs obsessing with only doing thing one time killed games

>>713524434
Weren't there newfags that bitched in world they have to kill monsters? People are just retarded but shareholders sadly want games to appeal to them.

>>713524672
>Play game called monster hunter
>Mad you need to hunt monsters
What did they expect?

>>713524050
World is unironically the only MH that doesn't have a pause function. Also the vast majority of the games have minimal stories.

>>713521220
funny thing is that it has been stuck at 10m sales since 1st week lmao, 8m in first 3 days, 10m in 1 week, 4-5 months later? still 10m

>>713472858 (OP)
I warned you guys were going to get the Dragons Dogma 2 treatment. The RE(tard) Engine is ass!

>>713474319
should have bought a console instead, works perfectly fine on my ps5

wow it's almost like the game was exactly as bad as it looked and the tards hyped by the brand name got what they paid for

>>713472958
I didn't even buy it and I've played every single MH game, even Dos and P3rd.

>>713474319
based.
The market must kneel

>>713474018
I agree and deluionals will think this boring gameplay is part of the ''magic'' bro it's just outdated you can stop sucking MH dick no one is paying you

>>713474018
But that's not Wilds at all? Focus mode makes it so that you can aim every attack and every individual attack in a combo, it makes the gameplay the easiest it has ever been.

>>713472858 (OP)
we wanted DD2 to be better

>>713500442
Ngmi

>>713500442
>I think world's starting roster was better
You are on drugs

>not enough sweaty gemma cutscenes

>>713529758
So... this could hold way more players for a year than Wilds? How? If World can't be *that* good then just how shit is Wilds?

>>713530035
>World released 6 months later on PC so several title updates were implemented immediately
>World had players chasing 1/1000 drop rate decorations for an optimal build
>released when most games were utter shit

It has basically nothing to do with quality and these steam chart comparisons are stupid

>>713498252
desu 3000 series card is two generations ago

>>713497875
>they seemed to be able to alleviate it a bit in updates
Wasn't it because someone released a mod, and the improvement only got better from the Capcom side after they removed Denuvo?

>>713530902
You say it like this means anything- the 3060 is like what, 3 4 years old? What a joke.

>>713481186
>tfw bought new gpu just to play wilds but still get under 60 fps
My toaster ran World with just APU. Wonder how much I could push it right now.
Too bad Gunlance sucks in World.

>>713530035
The "muh six gorillion months" cope is stupid. Suddenly World had even a worse roster than Wilds but kept as many players in the same time. Hell, World kept more players than even Rise which had 10 months worth of updates at launch.

>>713530993
No, the thing you're thinking of is how a mod to skip cutscenes was possible once they removed denuvo.

>>713522586
And focus mode makes it almost impossible to miss any of the swings on any part of it. You can aim every swing with pinpoint precision with way too much leniency. The first swing can come out and land but move you under and past a flailing tail where the final swing would normally miss, but you can just 180 mid combo to land it anyways.

>>713501284
disingenuous retard post, but I'll give a (you)

>>713472858 (OP)
>Quit
It's a video game, not a job. I played it for 80 hours, had fun and moved on. I'll come back for Lagi and Arch Uth Duna and then probably drop it again until the next TU

They should have just made it look like Rise so it'd be easier for more people to play it. Well, that, and they should have released a more complete game instead of dangling content in front of players and eventually shitting out a DLC/expansion to the game that has the actually interesting content. It's what they get for being scummy.

>>713530368
I really doubt the Wilds title updates are going to bring things around at this point
and people wouldn't be deco grinding if they didn't find World fun; hardly anyone seems to care about artian weapons

>>713533208
>they should have released a more complete game instead of dangling content in front of players
Uhm that's the game's tradition, tourist-kun. And for some reason that makes it perfectly reasonable and okay.

>>713533585
Time for Capcom to change their ways if they want the new, casual audience to continue buying and playing their games for extended time frames. Too late now though.

I can sure thank Wilds for making me and my friends buy Rise when it was on sale.

the thing that killed it for me was that the endgame grind was fighting the same monsters over and over for the Hunter Note IIIs. I like to create armor sets for each weapon which means I need a billion hunter note IIIs and there isn't enough variety to make it not suck or feel repetitive

>>713496749
>Worst case of railroading ever put into a videogame
>Gave thousands of people the complete wrong impression of the gameplay loop
What did they do?

>>713472858 (OP)
it stopped being about hunting monster with lore and more about a grim reminder we live in a world infested with brown people

>>713472858 (OP)
>World
adding the rocksteady and temporal mantles and later on the clutchlaw.
The animations started lacking impact from this game onward.
Onbnoxious unskipoable cutscenes.
Basic GS charge attack shakes the whole screen in 3U.
>Rise
making everything automatic, you press R3 and the monster you seek gets targeted on the map.
Everything getting gathered with one animation.
Running with the dog lets you escape easily.
Minions are too good now
The hunts take less time.
The riding mechanic is boring.
The tower defense segments are crap.
Everything combined like this just makes you think "what is even the point of playing this" since everthing has been streamlined to the point of pointlessness
So no wonder Wilds turned out as shit as it did, the writing was already on the wall.

>>713472858 (OP)
tried appealing to normalfags

>>713534631
>Everything getting gathered with one animation
People don't want to hear this but making everything "frictionless" (aka streamlined) makes the game less interesting. But I'm not smart enough to be able to explain why.

>>713534857
This is specifically funny becuase the gathering has been streamlined for comodity, yet the game locks you in that animation for like 3-4 seconds, can't even look at the map, because the hunter has to physically put down the item and open map for the MUH REALISM meme

>>713534857
It's not about being smart, it's about noticing things and pattern recognition.
What I'm trying to say is that I'm not the smartest tool in the shed either but I can explain why that is.
Pressing a button and waiting for that little animation is what makes the item you get have more meaning, as there was an effort and a pay off.
In addition, gathering took resources so you had your bug nets and pick axes break which gave the acquired item even more meanig.
In addition to even that, the devs made specific sets that give you gathering skills that make the animations faster or give you additional gathering tries per spot.
All of this feeds into that gathering aspect of the game which makes it meaningful unlike the new games where you just press a button to suck up all resources like some shitty gambling machine. Like the rats getting coke from pulling levers in that experiment and becoming apathetic due to lack of effort.

>>713535449
>dude you don’t understand, you had to pay 1/1000th of your quest payout money for pickaxes and nets
Jesus Christ lol fucking NOBODY cares about this shit