Why is no one talking about the fall of Stop Killing Video Games? This is huge news for /v/ - Videro Games.

who?

>>713494195 (OP)
Nobody wants to rally around someone who looks like they don't bathe and is mentally stuck as a manchild no matter how righteous the cause is. Especially if it's about video game shit.

I heard some guy with furry dildos killed Ross.

Janny is wiping the threads up

>>713494195 (OP)
The contract just went out. You will own nothing and you will never be happy.

While it doesn't look good, the deadline is actually on July 31st meaning the dream is still barely alive

>>713494291
>mold brained autist with a kurwa wife
>hippie canadian with glowing parents
The absolute state

>>713494195 (OP)
When trannies hopped on I hopped off. Simple as.

I did not sign your communist agenda

>>713494586
>I don't want to own my games
okay.

>>713494648
But I do own my games, retard.
>but what about in 20 years when the server goes offline!!
Grow up.

>>713494648
You can't own a service

>>713494195 (OP)
who de wut

>>713494195 (OP)
I got a 3 day vacation for trying to talk about it.

>>713494586
Burgers were never eligible.

>>713494195 (OP)
If you fund GaaS cancer, you deserve to get fucked.
Should've bought video games without DRM, LMAO.
As a rule of thumb, a video game that cannot be pirated is a game that it's not worth supporting.

>eceleb movement was too marxist for the EU

>4chan cutting off their nose to spite their face
I wish it was surprising but it isn't

>>713494885
Ironic and actual retards are desperate for (You)'s.

>>713494648
What part of "You vill own nothing!" do you not seem to understand!?

>>713494740
>t. klaus schwab

>>713494885
More like cutting off their balls to spite their dicks lmao

>>713495050
>>713494740

>Legal recourse has failed
>Only one path remains

The reason this failed is because no one that lives in Europe has any trust in EU

>>713494648
>>713494712
>>713494740
>>713495235
Commie simps.

Just don't like ecelbs. Simple as.

>>713495549
My point still stands.

>>713495549
You're too retarded to know that China hasn't been commie in over 40 years. Just the kind of intellectual I expect to see backing this unwashed manchild's vidya protest.

>>713494195 (OP)
Video games, faggot, VIDEO GAMES!

>>713495549
China has been generous!

>>713494195 (OP)
Let me guess, it was a grift for more government control all along.

Vidya has been killed, billions of normalfags must hang.
One way or another Normalfags ensure that things will get worse because unlike the savvy consumer who knows how to vote with their wallets, they cannot fucking help themselves.
See:
MW2 private lobbies
L4D2 boycott
Switch 2 detractors eventually purchasing it

The only times it has worked is with Sony stuff for some reason, but the vast, vast majority of the time CONSUMERS WON'T VOTE IN THEIR INTEREST AND GIVE COMPANIES THE GO AHEAD TO MAKE WORSE SHIT

>>713496053
The middle class was only able to become a thing in the wake of the black plague. I imagine something similar will happen in our current era.

>>713496053

>>713496254
Apathy is the worst way to go about the state of shit anon.

>>713494384
Just half a million votes in a month. Here's how we can still win.

Everyone talked about how it is an impossible standard for game developers to do the server tools but
1) How did they do it 20 years ago and
2) Aren't most server based stuff in ready to use containerized software? That's at least how shit works in the place I currently work, we just have to make sure any updates get tested before pushed to deployment.

>>713494195 (OP)
I never paid attention to this in the first place until just now in this very thread.

this would not be happening if the austrian painter was here

>>713496321
I might sympathize with your movement if you guys weren't so annoying.

>>713496561
>Northern Europe reaches the thresholds relatively quickly
>Meds and sl*vs do not
Hmmmm....

>Stop killing games dies when a leak build of Concord just surfaces and DanMachi: Familia Myth shuts down.
What a double whammy. 2 things that show either why you should've supported Stop Killing Games and why it doesn't matter if you didn't. Danmachi will shut down later in September and would be 2 years old from PC & smartphone release. The game will no longer exist any more on September 29th. But on the other hand, Concord somehow returns so there are people out there saving these games by leaking builds of the game for the net to have. This is probably why Stop Killing Games failed. There is a kind of hope that game builds will leak in the future that people think it isn't feasible to enforce devs to try to make offline versions of their games if they just happen to fail. This is the catch 22 that Stop Killing Games got caught in. Will devs or the audience preserve online only games? It should be both but some are waiting for one or the other to do it which cause such a split of support.

>>713494195 (OP)
Probably rigged anyway. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if signatures have been disappearing. Plus the various corporations are likely lobbying the EU hard and doing all sorts of other things because you just know they don't want this to happen.

>>713494195 (OP)

>>713494586
not owning things is the commie way, you now?

>>713494195 (OP)
third thread this afternoon

>>713496321
Apathy is death
World is fuck
Born 2 shit
Forced 2 wipe

>>713494195 (OP)
Because you're not allowed to talk about it here. If you want to talk about video games you have to go to /vg/, /vm/, /vr/, /vrpg/, or /vst/. There is no board for talking about video game news. /v/ is only for children and third-worlders with arrested development to shitpost and post the same low quality bait over and over again.

>>713496915
>the eyes of pure madness
This is your fate

>>713494195 (OP)

Not even surprised that the board that loves valveslop hates the idea of losing their games

I want GaaS games to die and I want people playing GaaS games to suffer. Where is the petition to keep killing them?

>>713494195 (OP)
because mods are fags, simple as

In all seriousness: Why are people apathetic? Most comments I've seen regarding this, outside of butthurt developers, is "It is what it is". Why? There is only so much autists on the internet can do, they can't save every game and make a server emulator for everything.

I hate games actually so this is fine

>>713496993
The "movement" called this dude game Judas but then get upset when you call them a cult.

>>713494885
I don't play games as service games so this doesn't affect me

>>713497073
Valve games themselves are actually ironically a good example of EoL plans in vidya. You can create custom servers, you can make your own maps, tools, they even have source development kits for certain games so you can fork them into their own thing.

>>713496674
>reaches the thresholds
you're misunderstanding
>https://stopkillinggamestracker.pages.dev/

>>713497147
you don't know what a cult is

>>713494740
Give me the tools to service myself if being serviced is an integral part of the product I purchased

>>713497201
That's what I was kinda getting at, Northern countries reached their thresholds and still voted overwhelmingly in favour of this adding to the votes, and yet southern countries cannot get their shit together.

>>713494195 (OP)
you keep posting this because it was an actual good thing but since you're >>713494586 commies false-flagging, you're happy that it "failed" because you hate /v/ or something?

>>713496917
Uh-oh.

>>713494740
idk man your mom services me and says I own her

>>713497327
yes that is me showing you the third thread this afternoon

>>713496321
apathy is the only sane state of mind for someone over the age of 25
if you spend a quarter of a century observing things and still haven't realized that people that 'care' are either grifters or griftees it just means you're part of the latter group

>>713494195 (OP)
>>713494295
they do not
>>713441047
>>713450552

>>713497452
It's so over for you and you don't even realize it. Sad!

>>713494586
>>713494712
>>713494740

>>713496993
The single most punchable face I've ever seen

>>713497196
That hasn't been true for over 15 years

>>713497453
Anon you're the griftee. If you can't assert yourself someone more assertive than you WILL take advantage

>>713497116
it's "cool" to say everything is shit and be angry all the time, that's modern /v/ culture

>>713497640
TF2 recently got a source development kit.
DOTA 2 has private servers that do not need to rely on a central server to work (Workshop maps/game modes also work here).
I don't play CS so I dunno the state of that.

The only exceptions I can think of is Artifact and Underlords, but even the latter has options to play against bots.

it's ok. we win some, we lose some

I don't give a shit if I can't play some shitty online game 10 years from now.

>>713497672
and yet nobody is wasting my time or money with their bullshit
curious how that works

If you want to own a game platform in perpetuity it must be open source

>>713494586
Oh come on anon, are you really that starved for attention you bait people on the internet?

>>713497763
Why is this shit getting spammed?

>>713497073
you were saying?

>>713497116
Because modern games fucking suck
They genuinely aren't worth saving

>>713497903
>the thing I'm petitioning for already happens organically without government intervention
Interesting.

>>713497073
>>713497731
https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Counter-Strike_2/Dedicated_Servers

Valve been doing this since 1999. zoomerfags wouldn't even know
>https://github.com/u3games/CS-Server/blob/master/server/HLTV-Readme.txt

>>713497998
we have laws and regulations to save people from themselves.
also why as a consumer should i draw the shorter stick. either this or advertize accordingly

>>713494195 (OP)
Just read this thread, the previous two, the YouTube comments of Ross latest video, how a site like sharty still persists in spite of being crime den and how people came back to 4chan after the sharty hack
Modern civilizations are being bred to bent the knee to whatever the big corporations ask them to do, and even when there's a chance that they could make difference they'd rather not support anything because their first immediate thought due to the way they grew up is that it isn't going to work. It's because shit like this that people don't want to own games, want to buy games at a 70~80$ price or why games that are specifically made to constantly steal your money manage to still be successful. The government doesn't care about people's satisfaction or well-being just about how much they can control people, information and money. I know this is an obvious thing for most anons but it's a problem that people do nothing about it and just let themselves be stomped on, like recently credit card companies are trying to control what you buy which have cause multiple Japanese companies to close down yet people are not complaining or even bringing it up.

>>713498542
>can't own property
>not even allowed to own your video juegos
>won't be long until your soul is up for a fire sale
Grim timeline

>>713494261
Fpbp

>>713497116
Because most people don't give a fuck about anything unless mainstream media tells them too.

>>713498648
I was watching the Did You Know Gaming video about why Nintendo decided to increase the price tags of their games before the Switch 2 released and the thing that pained me the most that when they projected multiple outcomes that could occur at the end of the video, the one that actually became true was the worst, most doomer outcome possible.
The future of video games is extremely dire and I'm honestly baffled of how many steps back we've taken.

>I don't know anything about copyright or software: the petition
Everyone that signed it is a retard

>>713497116
There are actual games in danger of disappearing sometime. Like, complete games that can be played through with an ending.

I want to preserve those first.

Live service Ubislop, that advises you it has an expiration date, and then the date expires, and... you are butthurt, is so far down on the list of preservation priorities, it isn't.

>>713498912
We just want it to work like it did 20 years ago. It's even easier now with containerized software that do not require any source code shenanigans.

>>713497673
nta but this isn't just a /v/ thing, hell /v/ is probably the place that discussing this topic the most despite most of the posts are people who completely missed the point because they didn't bother reading anything about the movement

>>713498912

>>713498912
>"We simply don't have the technology to not have games phone home to function anymore, sorry."

>>713498897
>I was influenced by propaganda handcrafted for me
And then what did the youtuber say?

>>713494195 (OP)
>There were retards who actually thought for a second that a bunch of nerds signing online petitions was going to alter the way a billionaire market works

>>713498990
You lost.
>>713499012
You lost.
>>713494586
Not you.
>>713499018
You lost.

>>713499042
happened with apple, twice, why not gaems?

>>713499042
That's right, don't even attempt to do anything ever because lmao can't stop it why bother.

>>713498542
>wait, software is a license?
>FUCKING SHEEPLE
no, jon
you are the sheeple

There are absolutely legitimate truth-in-advertising and right-to-repair movements that are extremely important b2b and b2c rights fights. John Deere should not be able to make the tractor you own free and clear shut down without a subscription.

Video game "ownership" has absolutely fucking nothing to do with those legitimate fights and anyone trying to tie it to those things is a moron.

>>713498990
>We just want it to work like it did 20 years ago
The way it worked 20 years ago was predicated on companies not having the technological capability to enforce their IP rights. They had all the same legal privileges they do now, nothing about the law changed, the only thing that changed was their capacity for enforcement.

>>713499018
Of course it would be possible to make games that have no DRM, but guess what, faggot: having rights cuts both ways. A software developer/publisher has every right to develop his software with whatever architecture and DRM he sees fit because it's his fucking software. Don't like it? Don't buy it. It's that simple.

>>713494195 (OP)
Same reason why nobody voted for it either.
Who gives a shit about the state of video games when the world is about to enter WW3 or a global recession?

>>713499024
Please learn to pirate anon

>>713499042
>there were a bunch of retards who actually thought for a second complaining and writing about loot boxes was going to alter the way a billionaire market works

>>713499232
>Don't like it, don't buy it
Yeah, and where did that attitude lead us? Face it, normalfag cattle without a leash are fucking useless for consumer rights in the free market.

>>713499301
>software DRM is the same as gambling for children
You people are so unserious

>>713499264
Almost 500k people signed it

>>713499332
how much do they pay you?
curious if it's worth becoming a shill or if it's only sustainable for 3rdies that live in poverty like you

>>713499327
>where did that attitude (ie respecting people's IP rights) get us?
And the mask dropped.
You're not a principled person taking a stand, you're a child throwing a tantrum because you aren't getting what you want.
Like most of the retards that were behind this.
>>713499379
youtried.png

>>713499264
There's no voting, it's literally a petition to make games at least playable once end-of-life hits so it can be preserved for preservation's sake. That's it, that's the petition in a very layman explanation. Ross talks about how even normalfags get this but it's the pretend-industry game types that have a huge problem with it because they come with so far-reaching assumptions on what the initiative is not.

REMINDER
UK anons are probably fucked but you still have until the 14th of July to sign up.
EU anons have until the 31st of July to help push the number up as far as possible.
At this point, getting it as high as possible is the final goal.

>>713499417
IP rights are antithetical to free market and free exchange of ideas and require government oversight to enforce. I am principled in my own argumentation.

>>713499417
is it per post or hourly

>>713499024
Do you enjoy seeing the video game market have no innovation nor competition?

>>713499439
Amazing how one fag pretty much screwed the entire thing and then the same fag ended up destroying his rep just mere months later.

>>713499232
The vast majority of software is sold as a GOOD, numbnuts. Same as your tractor. EA shouldn't be able to destroy the GOOD that you purchased through direct, malicious action.

>>713496993
>project mockingbird tier agtiprop against consumer rights movement

This is the peak of 4chan contrarianism, literally people on video games board are arguing about how they want to not own and not be able to play video games. Its like /tv/ arguing they should not own the screens to watch tv

>>713499562
The WoW thing is funny to me, because anyone with cursory knowledge of the game can see he made bad mistakes. Problem being is that everyone in that party made bad mistakes and all got punished for it, but they owned up to it. Not him. Fucking roach.

>>713499585
but people shouldn't own televisions

I genuinely hope PirateSoftware kills himself on stream. Would be awesome.

>>713499138
>>713499147
>>713499301
>Stupid goyim actually believes it has power in a capitalist society
Mega lmao

>>713499339
>EU population is around 450 million
Like I said, nobody gives a shit when the world itself is going to shit

>>713499439
>it's literally a petition to make games at least playable once end-of-life hits so it can be preserved for preservation's sake.
Are you a liar or a moron?
Forcing developers to put out sunset builds, on top of being a dramatic violation of IP rights and a huge unnecessary drain on the market, does absolutely fuck-all for game preservation. Game preservation relies on a fucking smorgasbord of underlying systems emulation and will ALWAYS be a questionably-legal and perpetually ongoing community effort to maintain compatibility as hardware and software evolve.
>>713499486
>IP rights, the things that make selling software a possibility, are antithetical to the free market
You are genuinely retarded.
>>713499563
>Software is a good!
It's intellectual property that you're licensing.
You're just wrong.

>>713499486
Kek no wonder you lost

>>713499562
>destroying his rep
I wish.

I didn't sign it because there has yet to be a game anyone cares about that has gone offline, its all just dogshit games with zero players that there is literally zero harm being done when shutting it down.
Call me when a good game is shut off.

>>713499690
>>713499691
Explain to me how holding exclusive rights to an idea is a free market idea and doesn't require government intervention to enforce.
Go on, tell me.

>>713495872
this is videogames

>>713499667
They ask for 1 million signatures because they know it's almost impossible to get that many, the fact that this got nearly 50% of the way there is amazing for being about entertainment.

>>713499690
>on top of being a dramatic violation of IP rights and a huge unnecessary drain on the market
Explain how that benefits me

>>713499731
>>713494195 (OP)
Even if the argument wasn't half-baked and generally retarded it would've been doomed by the fact that it was spearheaded by a sentient ball of moss over one of the worst games no one had ever heard of.

>>713499731
>They did not shut down my game, so I did not speak up

>>713499774
They ask for 1m on every petition

Finland, Poland and Germany are leading the charge, its a heartwarming sight.

>>713499841
>me not being able to play a video game that shut down is anudda shoah
it's time to grow up

>>713499827
how is the argument half-baked
you don't litigate implementation in a request, you say the most basic thing and let lawmakers handle it, that's how all civil movements work

>>713499857
Yes, as said in the post you are quoting

>>713499864
Germany is the last country that should be leading anything

>>713497998
We might have those games people actually want to play, but we don't have The Crew.

>>713494195 (OP)
Because there's a certain group on /v/ that's trying its hardest so that people don't discuss video games or movements that could hurt shitty investors' pockets

>>713499024
You tell me
https://youtu.be/1UiJQ3PNEaM?t=8m5s

>>713499827
>>713499731
>there's no good games being affected
so support it before a good game is at risk?
>The Crew sucks
The Crew getting shut down causing this wasn't due to quality, but due to it's position as a mega budget wide release title from an EU operating publisher.

>itt video game players saying how not being able to play video games you paid for is a good thing
Come the fuck on.

>>713499894
>how is the argument half baked
>actually nevermind that it doesn't need to be baked other people will figure it out for us
dipshit

>>713499864
Never thought I’d die fighting side by side with a German

>>713499883
I'm posting on the vidya board about wanting to preserve vidya, and you are getting paid $0 to defend jews

>>713494195 (OP)
Honestly Concord and Suicide Squad killed any momentum this movement may have had in the beginning because they made people realize these are the games they’re fighting to preserve

>>713499954
>maybe if I keep repeating this stupid oversimplification it will cancel out all the facts at play
It won't.
>>713499983
>I'm racist!
Ok.

>>713499690
>Forcing developers to put out sunset builds, on top of being a dramatic violation of IP rights and a huge unnecessary drain on the market,
It's not "forcing" devs to put out sunset builds, neither is it remotely any sort of copyright violation. Ross already addressed this day 1 in his FAQ. You're arguing like fucking Thor, where he pushed this godawful narrative that devs have to make their games single-player focused and rebalance everything for offline once they sunset it.

Does Warframe have an EoL plan? That game I am actually scared for.

>>713499954
It's because these aren't actual gamers but people that are paid to shit on this movement as much as possible
At least I hope so because I refuse to believe this retarded exist

>>713500013
Yes I am racist, jews should not be able to do as they please because they hoard money like dragons

>>713499963
>>713499954
>>713499864
How can you pathetic children be so desperate for a cause when there are so many worthy ones?
This is what you choose to tie your identity to? This is your hill to die on?
Really?

>>713499742
>explain my strawman
I don't debate trolls.

>>713499956
it's literally how it works retard, you have a strict word limit on petitions
you're saying "why is the entirety of your essay not in your thesis" nigga it doesn't go in the thesis, this is explicitly an opening point, you're fucking braindead
they've even given hypothetical implementations but they're purely hypothetical for the point of debate, it's irrelevant to the petition, this is how ALL petitions work
they didn't argue how the distribution would need to change for headphone jacks, or the supply chain, they just said "we want headphone jacks" and the rest was up for litigation down the line

>>713499731
Thor argued this shit aswell ("it's live service slop who cares") but that was never the fucking point. The point is preserving games. SHIT games and GOOD games are still games.

>>713500048
no, john, you are the retards

>>713500081
Link some causes worth signing

How many Ls can Reddit take in one year? We're gonna need more coupon codes.

>>713499690
Look at this retard, look at him and laugh at him

>>713500081
People can have multiple issues faggot. This is just one that so happens to affect a medium I want to use when I want to get the fuck away from the shitty world.

713500081
pathetic faggot jump into a pit of snakes

>>713500081
>reddit letter media

>>713500145
>worth signing

>>713500147
Funny, reddit banned positive threads about this while preserving negative threads.

>>713500081
nigga they're asking for signatures, that's it. You sign something, then we increase the likelihood of consumer protections. Name other "worthy" causes that are just asking for a signature?

>>713500215
Chadditor W

>>713500182
>contrarian redditor

>713500202
Do they seriously not give you any response for that question? Why try to use that argument then?

>WHY DOES NO ONE UNDERSTAND THE ACTUAL PURPOSE BEHIND SKG

Is it that confusing, vague, convoluted, or are people really just retarded?

>>713499690
>actively taking an anti-consumer stance as a consumer

>>713500251
>Redditbros can't stop losing
>Actually they are against it
>CHADITORS
Make up your fucking mind.

>>713499724
Streamers are like cockroaches, but he definitely no longer has the same kind of hold over people as he did when he first talked about SGK. Most people see him as a joke now.

>>713500310
My guess is that people half heartedly watched one video, never read the FAQ nor any follow up videos.
Or they are ignorant about software and how it works.

>>713500310
really retarded and misled. Ross has been extremely clear in every one of his videos, interviews, websites relating to it.

>>713494586
This is the most reddit picture of today.

>>713500310
paid shills + astroturfing to convince retards to advocate on your behalf
it's the exact same thing companies and governments have been doing for decades, look at oil companies getting the people they gave braindamage via lead fumes to advocate for them to keep giving them brain damage via lead fumes
the anti-skg people are the boomers desperate for more brain damage

>>713500310
They don't want to read the basic FAQ, that's why Pirate was so genuinely idiotic in his take, he didn't read the bare minimum to get an idea of the scope and idea.
>But the FAQ doesn't cover everything
Okay, here's a more in-depth FAQ from the man himself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEVBiN5SKuA

But they don't want to engage with these.

>>713500381
okay, redditor

>>713500310
Ross has said that people who are into this whole game industry (not even the ones that work on it per se) are the ones that misunderstand it the most because they have so many assumptions on what it actually does. Like all the points this anon laid out >>713499690 is literally all made up and have been addressed constantly by Ross since Day 1. But that anon, like Thor, just went and created wrong ideas on what the initiative isn't, then argued from there.

>accuse someone of being a raging narcissist
>credit him with singlehandedly killing your movement through mild criticism
Pirategawd W

>>713500310
It's grifters who get money by spewing their contrarian slop opinions, and their audience

I will say Running With Scissors supporting this was a good thing and the rumours of developers supporting it as well.
I can't imagine many developers intentionally want to see their games never be played ever again.

>>713494195 (OP)
It's sad desu
Felt like it had so much momentum early on
I guess Ross just wasn't able to connect well enough where he needed to (french, italian, spanish zoomers)
I understand why he didn't but he really should have accepted donations and used those to run some sort of ad campaign

>>713500470
>Advocate killing games
>People start to look into you
>Kill your guild members and get kicked for being an ass
>Rage at your new guild, divert the blame and rage quit after being an ass
>Start a new mmo then ditch it because you don't care and act like an ass to the existing playerbase
>Get therapy and reveal that you don't regret anything and believe you are 100% in the right
It's honestly incredible

>>713500571
Ross has said in the video that if he made an ad campaign it would immediately get flagged as political (in Youtube and Twitch) and would be a tremendous waste of money.

>>713500470
No one will remember your name

>>713494195 (OP)
>fall
Fall? SKVG made me switch to GOG only so i'd say that it was successfull.

>>713500553
Because it's not devs that are mostly against this, it's people like Thor who have weird assumptions on what it does.

God I wish thor did his WoW roach shit before he decided to be a dickhead about this.

>>713500632
Don't forget all the Furry shit that came out or how it was revealed that his whole time at Blizzard that he was just a Nepotism hire who did shit all. Everything he sold himself as was fake.

We were close.

>>713500714
It'd be interesting what the timeline would've looked like the other way around.
I still had a good laugh in the one we currently exist in. Using steam achievement API as your anti-piracy feature lmao.

How is the hail mary performing? I'd love some good news about this, and the chance to shit on piratesoftware some more.

>>713494195 (OP)
I'll be onboard when it's Stop hiring trannies

>>713500681
It also made Crew 2 announce that it will have an EoS plan.
The industry took notice, it shook some level.

>>713497282
>southern countries cannot get their shit together
Southern countries are poorer and there are less people that are into hardcore gaming. Most ''gamers'' in southern Europe are FIFA dudebros who only buy FIFA and don't know anything about any other videogame.

We already had two big threads about it
>>713441047
>>713440292

>>713500714
You could argue that him doing zero research into what Ross was advocating and just making assumptions about what SKG was that karma came and bit him in the ass by turning him a massive joke that nobody takes seriously anymore.

>>713500470
>try to come up with a witty rebuttal
>OUT OF MANA
>blink away instead

>>713500778
There is no hail mary coming. It didn't even reach half and it's only a month away from expiring. It's done. Ross admitted he just doesn't want to do anything about this kind of thing after July since it was a large waste of time and money for him.

>>713494291
You're thinking of ass mold god, not Ross

>>713500440
>that's why Pirate was so genuinely idiotic in his take
Pirate was idiotic in his take because he was being used as an industry sock puppet to muddy the waters around the entire movement in an attempt to kill it in the cradle. He didn't just misinterpret Ross's arguments, he willfully and purposefully misrepresented them to his audience. There was also a shitton of astroturfing done from corpo-aligned bot accounts to drown out any post or thread on this topic across multiple platforms. SKG didn't just die, it was killed.

>>713500681
I fully endorse GoG but I enjoy the service I already get with Steam, but I'll try to make more of an effort to pick up some stuff there.

>SKG is simple as fuck
>people make up all sorts of assumptions in their head about it and keep repeating them over and over
How do you even fucking "win" against that?

>>713500310
It's vague and retarded which essentially makes it a Rorschach test for its supporters. They know they want free shit and the rest is their projection.

>>713500853
I feel sorry for Ross, he wanted to be just the guy to get the ball rolling, he didn't want to be the figurehead and figure out legal speak and organize the entire thing. It would kill a guy's soul.

People that actually believe in the ideas behind StopKillingGames should just move and shop only from GOG. Put your money where your mouth is.

>>713500895
It's all so tiresome.

>>713500962
Everybody in this thread already has a GoG account, anon. We're talking about vidya preservation not vidya marketplaces.

>>713500462
>those points were addressed!
No, they weren't. They've never been adequately addressed, mainly because Ross is technically illiterate and therefore incapable of addressing them.

>>713500937
We don't want free shit, we want the games we paid for to not become permanently unfixably nonfunctional

>>713500997
Like what?

>>713500916
any time there's a single player game I want I buy it on gog if it's there, dl the offline installer and just chuck it on a cheap slow 8tb hdd i have just for that shit, everyone should do it desu it's the only way to actually own your games long term
i've been using gog since it opened and never even used galaxy once lmao

>>713500997
If you bring up points about maintaining and distributing server code I will fucking smack you.

>>713501029
>we don't want free shit
>we just want the developers to give us shit
>for free

>>713500997
Nah, his big manifesto vid was very clear, including a predictive FAQ section

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUAX0gnZ3Nw

>>713501079
Then markup how much it would cost to cover EoL plans. Nintendo has demonstrated people are willing to do that.

>>713501071
>if you bring up legitimate arguments about IP rights, proprietary code, and required free labor I will physically attack you
This is how people with very sound positions argue. Yep. Mm-hmm.

>>713500937
>"we want the games we paid our money for not to be literally unplayable because the server was shut down"
>HUH YOU JUST WANT FREE SHIT?
How do you even fucking jump to that conclusion?

>>713501079
No? I paid for the game, I should be able to keep playing it. They shouldn't put nooses around their games' necks if they think its too much work to take them off before they kick the chair away.

>>713500930
You can't. Welcome to the information age where misdirection, lying by omission, astroturfing, muddying the water and all sorts of devious tricks can spread like wildfire. When shit spreads around that fast what hope you have to set the record straight? You spend so much time trying to argue the basic points you've clearly outlined that the movement just sinks.

>>713501138
Containerized sever binaries are not violation of IP laws.

>>713500930
It's not about the movement. It's that clinically retarded people like >>713499742 are your loudest members and they just want to topple all capitalism and see this as a stepping stone.

>>713494740
(You) can't because you're poor

>>713501143
Anon...
Do you think a game that required servers becomes fully playable locally by magic?
Do you think a sundown build will fucking apparate?
This is why people laugh at you all and call you tech illiterate.

>>713500993
Moving to GOG and making it into a stronger platform on the market will retroactively ensure that more videogames are saved and are available DRM free. It is that simple.
>more people are on GOG
>publishers are forced to put their games DRM free on GOG if they want more profit
The logic is quite simple. Also that way Americans can be involved too since SKG was for Europeans of voting age only. If you switch to buying from GOG it does not matter where you are from since you will be directly affecting the market. Canada, Australia, USA and others can switch to GOG and shrink the demand for GaaS while increasing the demand for DRM free games.

>>713501138
>It will take devs ages to make the backup server go to 192.168.0.1 when game times out
Really makes you think, don't it.

>>713501079
You paid $90 for Mario Kart World and you're MAD that they give you the ability to play it offline???

>>713501181
>Containerized sever binaries are not violation of IP laws.
Correct, the existence of such a structure is not a violation of IP rights. Obviously.

What is a violation of IP rights is forcing someone to make you a containerized build.

>>713501197
>A retard existing means the entire movement is retarded
Many parties would have interest in the goals of this movement anon, from free market extremists to people who want to play games.

>>713494195 (OP)
this idea was always dumb as fuck
bad optics
bad frontman
bad execution

ecelebs should just stay in their lane

>>713501263
again: this is why you're being laughed at
this is why the petition failed
you're clowns and children without two brain cells to rub together between the lot of you

>>713501272
And someone forcing me to not modify software on my own computer for my own build is not ok either since it requires someone forcing me not to do something.
Either both are permitted or neither.

>>713501208
Jesus fucking Christ how much corporate cock have you got lodged up both ends?

>>713500045
Not at the moment but the current director did say she wants keep the game playable in one way after they inevitably stop supporting from one reason or another

>>713501208
It has server functionality by way of connecting to a fucking server already
Yes they can easily make an EoS plan because it just requires telling the game to ask for the server instead of automatically sending it to theirs
Give the players the 2kb code that lets you start a server and you're done, it's literally that easy, there are no hoops or tricks they need to do, it's literally that easy

>>713501339
No it punishes you for selling people defective products
Don't put the noose on in the first place if you don't want to have to take if off later

>>713501287
>>713501320
per post or hourly?

I like how people are acting as if the game rolling over to local if the servers are gone is lost technology.

>>713494195 (OP)
Has this ever been a massive problem?

If games are taken offline they're generally long fucking dead or a complete failure of a release like Concord. Why are people sperging about it so hard that you can't play it anymore?

>>713501438
Yeah half the pushback against Ross is built on gaslighting that dedicated servers were never the norm

>>713501438
There are clearly trolls in the thread. Ignore them or shit on them. They will keep arguing in bad faith.

>>713501438
I can tell you in the modern software development workflow that shit is easier than ever.
Anyone acting it is impossible are idiots, those who say it is up to developers if they should do it are just plain retarded.

>>713500142
It doesn't have to be the point, no one cares because they're smart enough to understand that games people like and play regularly dont get shutdown so theres no reason to do all this shit.

>>713494195 (OP)
Eh what's the issue? The crew literally becomes impossible to play anywhere at anytime without publisher intervention?

>>713501460
>Has this ever been a massive problem?
Yes. Look up a list of games that are no longer playable.

>>713500930
You can't win. Ross never wanted to be the guy to spearhead this because he just doesn't have the personality for it. People aren't going to take the time to go to your website and research what you are actually trying to accomplish and instead will look for a video that explains it, and in Ross's case he got absolutely unlucky and got some industry planted fuck who hated him. Thankfully that fuck's career is now circling in the drain.

>>713501460
Because even if no one is playing an old game (Let's go Quake), I should still be able to play Quake.

>>713501460
This effects every single game connecting to a server in any way, shape, or form. Failures or not, it's a long-term plan to stop games people like from being abandoned with no way to play them.
Quick question: Are you a fucking retard?

The amount of people who oppose Ross' initiative just reminds me of the atrocity of human nature. We will never have nice things because society is just rotten to the core.

>>713501460
Thor/PirateSoftware derangement syndrome is the only reason anyone supports or signs this slop

>>713501460
Because most people enjoy at least one or two games with central server dependencies, want to be able to keep playing them for the rest of their lives, but logically recognize that dependency is a ticking timebomb that the corpo devs have no inclination to defuse?

Just looking at the games already dead and dismissing the cause because you didn't like any of them is shortsighted

>>713501517
Okay so where do I play Atlas Reactor, anon?

>>713501339
>forcing me to not violate other people's IP rights is not ok! What about my right to violate other people's rights!?
lol eat me faggot

>>713501376
I'm a die-hard socialist, but we don't live in a socialist society, so until then if we want software it needs to be monetized. Grow up.

>>713501397
You are tech-illiterate and you need to stop trying to convince people you know what you're talking about. It has the opposite effect.

>>713501094
How is games as a service fraud? They say they are a service and the game ends when the service ends. It's not like these games are pretending to be something else and then pulling the rug on you later.

>>713501460
The real answer is that young men are genuinely so estranged and without purpose that they'll latch on to any "fight" that they stumble upon in their malaise just for a sense of purpose and belonging.

These are deeply deeply pathetic people.

>713501587
>Jews NEED to be making money at all times!
Yeah, okay buddy

>>713501609
They can say they are services in their EULA, but as the vid explains in most countries they are legally classified as goods and they absolutely don't behave like any other service does

>>713501320
No, it isn't. Petition failed because not every country had accumulated enough signatures.
You not understanding how servers work in games and why private servers in games like wow work is on you.

>>713494648
I don't play games

>No one is playing a game, it is forgotten, so it should just die and never be played again
I don't understand this mindset, especially with games that should all honestly be single player games that just so happen to connect to a server. Why the fuck should my decision of if I can play something be predicated on other people playing it? Shit nigga I got emulators to play old ass games for a reason.

>>713501609
Because they sell it as both a good and service.

>>713501460
not if you only play fotm goyslop, but if you actually play games, yes, you'll regularly come in to moderately obscure games that are either unplayable, or only playable via a very dedicated fan creating either an entire pserver or an online check spoofer
/v/ posting quality would skyrocket if you had to have played more than 10 games to post here

>>713501529
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Inactive_massively_multiplayer_online_games
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Inactive_massively_multiplayer_online_games&pagefrom=Sudden+Attack+2#mw-pages
This list is not complete b t w. This is only the MMOs that were killed and i see some MMOs that are not added to the list but i know that they were killed by the publisher.

>>713494195 (OP)
I'm glad it failed so now he'll go back to making game dungeon
This quixotic quest was sucking up all his time

Petition failed because nobody cares if MK Armageddon servers go offline

>>713501587
>I'm a die-hard socialist
You should switch to being a dead socialist asap.

>>713501668
What games do you want to play that you can't play anymore?

>>713501569
iirc evos is still up if you can stomach their tranny discord

The video is pretty sad, but I really do enjoy Ross's frankness. It is interesting to parallel this to the steam refund "drama" from a few years back, where again, "should steam offer refunds" ended up being seriously debated. Considering how much traction this got, it's weird the only big e-celeb to really talk about it was thor. I don't even understand his motivation. Like, I think he was purposely misconstruing the entire thing. Was it just doubling down an initial misunderstanding? Is he being paid off by big corporations? Does he just like corporations that much?

That said, I never had any faith in this getting anywhere. I'm honestly surprised it got as far as it did.

>>713501609
MMO's tell you that when you pay you get a certain amount of time, it's stated clearly.
GaaS can shut down at literally any time they want, without warning.
And seeing as those MMO's get private servers, why is it so outlandish that GaaS games get private servers as well?

>>713501460
Because it's the thin end of the wedge. It's like allowing fag marriage. It won't stop there.

>>713501587
Maybe you should swap to being a dead socialist instead of going to bat for the corporations.

>>713501738
What games are you playing that connect to a server?

>bill passes
>dev shuts down 50 year old online game with no players instead of running it out of pocket as they're now destitute and penniless
>EUssr throws dev in gulag for being an evil capitalist
this is the future rossdrones want

>>713501738
Why should each person wait for a game they love to die before caring about this issue?

Most people here enjoy at least one such game and can see the writing on the wall for its eventual logical fate

>>713501738
No matter what I reply with it doesn't fucking matter, it should be my choice if I can pick up a game again or not. Imagine if one day that no one was playing... fuck I dunno Unreal. Is it fair that just because no one was playing it that I can't play it ever again?

>>713501741
I love how you kids are so stupid that you literally can't comprehend that detractors might actually have valid points. It's like the tribal part of your brain has completely taken over.
You twist yourselves into knots coming up with retarded conspiracies to avoid having to consider that you might have been wrong about something, or even just too hasty. It's pathetic.

>>713501739
That's not even remotely what I'm asking.

>>713501813
There are actual anons who see nothing wrong with the concept of a game 'shutting down' in the first place

>>713501813
That developer was a counterrevolutionary and an enemy of the gamers

>>713501854
it's a private server for atlas reactor

>>713501557
next time get someone smarter and better looking to do the job
and no I don't mean that fatfuck basedboy piratesoftware, he's as dumb as ross

Why does everyone that argues against this post in the "pfft, kid I know better than you" condescending fuckhead way. Here, on twitter, ect.

>>713501852
What are the valid points?

It costs you literally nothing to let this reach lawmakers.

>>713501738
>it's only a few cancer cells, why worry about it?

>>713501932
Ross never wanted to be the face, but no one else was willing to do it. He kept begging for others to do it but no one else did.

>>713501798
>>713501737
Trolled hard without lube

>>713494195 (OP)
We knew it was going to fail when it failed to meet its targets in the first few months

>>713495549
China is CAPITALIST, they are in fact the most capitalist state in the world right now, using their CAPITAL to invest in everything and exerting global political power through their shareholdership.

>>713500081
We are gamers first and foremost, nigger. We stand proud as gamers united. We never back down. We never give up. We never game over.

>>713501647
>in most countries they are legally classified as goods
This is a gross oversimplification and misunderstanding of very limited court decisions.
Software is effectively its own category of product and some rules that apply to the sale of goods apply while others do not.

>>713501738
crysis, spore, fallout 3, lost planet 2, all require fan fixes to play because of no eol patch being pushed meaning their drm just doesn't work

>>713501715
this is a terrible example because people literally built an entire framework purely to emulate the gamespy service, obviously people cared if they put so much work in to it

>>713502009
There was no possibility of getting 1mil in a few months, the year he got was already a strict time limit

>>713502062
>people literally built an entire framework purely to emulate the gamespy service, obviously people cared if they put so much work in to it

Sounds like working as intended; pull the plug on the official servers?

>>713502024
China is a fascist state, and very successful as such

>>713501460
>>713501738
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1at1k7qIo5dgPp6K1aCrYIyAgNOjY-IhF/edit?usp=drivesdk&ouid=103178963338917043040&rtpof=true&sd=true

>>713501813
>bill passes
>there is now an actual legal paragraph you can point to when publishers kill your favorite game to line up their pockets
this is the future rossdrones want

>>713502091
If people had actually cared, it would've happened quickly. The fact that it didn't meant it was never going to.

>>713501961
because they are desperately trying to cope with the fact that they have no real control over anything by trying to convince themselves that its a good thing

>>713502024
China has been generous!

>>713502062
>fallout 3
what

>>713502131
>needing fans to unfuck your poor design is good, us doing it right the first time (which is easy it's just a change of work not an increase of work) is unreasonable
do they pay you hourly or per post?

>>713502131
Wasn't "developers need to release server binaries/other tools when they pull the plug" one of the goals of the petition?

Currently, people have to reverse-engineer that shit, which takes lots of effort and can be borderline impossible if nobody spoofed the network traffic while the official servers were still up (or that data is incomplete/not available.)

>Ross just wanted the ability to play games that already had single player stuff like a campaign to be playable if the game had a live service/online element
>This somehow spiraled into Ross wanted MMOs and multi-player games focused games to be converted to single player games after the developers decide to EoS.
I imagine Ross is just done with this shit. The Crew wasn't an amazing game, but it did have a full on single player story campaign and everything which was all Ross was trying to preserve.

>>713502220
Games For Windows Live most likely

>>713502180
As already said, the main audience for Ross is the US who are overwhelmingly for it, but his minimal EU anon/faggot audience failed to actually get any traction themselves, yet they were the only ones that actually mattered.

He won

>>713501915
I know and I have joined some games.

>>713502220
fallout 3 was infamously unplayable due to gfwl and only recently got an eol patch, it was listed as unplayable on steam for years and required a number of workarounds to 1. get it to boot and 2. make it not crash constantly
the gog version always worked perfectly due to no drm but my point stands about the steam version

>>713502326
Yeah. It just took complete destruction of his rep and becoming a lol cow.

>>713502326
>we lost
Grim

>>713502223
>it’s just a small change to facilitate piracy

Yeah nah lol. I know everything here is just trolling but surely you understand how much Ubisoft could not give a fuck about such goodwill

>>713502168
That list makes me sad.

>>713502426
per post or hourly?

>>713494261
FPBP

>>713502247
>Wasn't "developers need to release server binaries/other tools when they pull the plug" one of the goals of the petition?
Yes
It's also why the petition is a complete non-starter

>>713494291
Who the fuck are you?

>>713494195 (OP)
just watched the update
>redditors been sabotaging and harassing the movement
man, reddit never fails

>>713502336
you wanted to play against bots then?

>>713502426
That's kind of the point of legislating it and not leaving them the choice

>>713502617
Have you not read this thread?

Is there any developers (Not publishers or hr people of a company) that do want to see their games die?

>>713502529
Ross' exact wording is "best effort"
The bare minimum to let people play the game without a server.
This minuscule demand is being met by jews with fierce opposition as they clutch their money bags.

>>713502678

>>713502731
>Ross' exact wording is "best effort"
Cool, that doesn't in any way change the ask.
>Miniscule demand
lol
lmao

>>713502689
I can't imagine so, at least not in very exceptional circumstances. Even with the biggest bombs, developers generally like to keep their past work around because I can't imagine putting years into a project and WANT all that work to disappear forever.

>>713502783
How much does it cost to let players play locally instead of connecting to your server oh mighty tech god?

>>713502731
You have way to much faith if you think the (only) people opposing it are game developers or people with a monetary stake in the matter. Capitalism has corroded away society to its very core.

>>713502850
Game devs clearly are for it, seeing as he's been endorsed by several, so it's higher up the chain than that.

>>713502619
Sure and not having to ask for an invite from the whims of a discord server actually makes it 1000x better.

>>713502831
This has never been achieved

>>713502850
Even Ubisoft devs behind the Crew themselves have shown their vocal support for it. It's not devs crying about this.

>>713502831
Potentially a lot? Servers can contain proprietary code that they’re not authorized to release, confidential user data handling code that they don’t want exploited, might need extra shunts added to allow for the absence of copyrighted data, anything encryption related or code signing related. I mean just massive amounts of shit. It’s not Quake 1 days anymore

>>713502831
I think the issue is releasing server binaries/code because of proprietary legalities and whatnot, not the actual effort of uploading into a git or something

>>713502783
Releasing binaries was a potential avenue but the petition did not offer any of that. Ross made it very clear that the movement intentionally left it to policy makers to decide
>>713502960
Filter this by dev preserved and fan preserved >>713502168

Most gamers today have probably never played a multiplayer game with a dedicated server and it shows.

>>713503030
Just design the game so it doesn't require a server

>>713502831
It's lost tech pls understand. Would take 100 billion dollars and 20 years of research.

>>713502831
That depends on quite a lot of factors my incredibly ignorant friend.
You seem to be under the delusion that the only thing we're talking about is phone-home DRM, a system wherein games that can run entirely locally make a quick authorization check before allowing access. For these games, yes, disabling the call home can be a quick and cheap prospect even if there's no real legal argument that a company should be forced to do so.
The problem is that that's not the only kind of connectivity that exists, nor is it the only target of the "movement." Requiring developers to build and test a fully local build of games that have deeply integrated online components or work on a model where the majority of processing is done on server farms and end users simply draw the graphics and do mild interpolation, for free, is not a simple or cheap ask. And that's not even getting into the myriad problems with the idea of forcing a company to release proprietary code that end users can then decompile and steal or use to develop malware. Or forcing developers to build their own local replacements for licensed proprietary code.

You just don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

>>713503089
And this is also a part of the petition I don't think people get as well: It's not asking for it too be retroactive either. All games already released in development would (un)fortunately be exempt from this, it would be a dynamic moving forward.

>>713503030
Ross addressed this and his solution has always been that this wouldn't be for games that already exist but for future games that aren't even being made yet to set a precedent for the game to not be a rights issue. Jump to 37:11 in the video to see his diagram

>>713503089
>I literally want the concept of client-server software architecture outlawed because I'm a wittle baby and baby wanna pway tha cwew

>>713503030
>anything encryption related or code signing related
You have no clue what you are talking about, so why are you posting?

>>713503135
>Proprietary code that the user can decompile
That's just a risk every software developer makes when distributing code, unless if everything is cloud based which is a whole other issue in of itself.

>>713503157
>You can't just force people to release proprietary code or build copycats
>"uhhh ross addressed this it's super simple just ban the use of proprietary code outright going forward"
That's not the slam dunk response you think it is.

>>713503135
>And that's not even getting into the myriad problems with the idea of forcing a company to release proprietary code that end users can then decompile and steal or use to develop malware.
What the fuck are you talking about

>>713503067
>Releasing binaries was a potential avenue
It's the only avenue that makes any sense, you can't disavow it.
That's like saying "Hey we should definitely make sure these people stop existing. WHOA! Whoa! I didn't say kill them, I didn't say HOW they should stop existing! Someone else can figure that out!"

>>713503236
It's not even a blanket ban. Nobody is banning anything. Please just jump to the part of the video. PLEASE ANON

>>713503236
This is asking for future games to implement a way to keep playing, you don't have to worry about your current cash cows, you can still stop servers at any time without a warning.

>>713503206
>That's just a risk every software developer makes when distributing code, unless if everything is cloud based
Anon what the fuck do you think we're talking about here?
Are you really this lost?
>>713503254
Don't worry your pretty little head about it, just believe me when I tell you that you're out of your depth.

>>713503135
>release proprietary code that end users can then decompile
you're so right sis giving users executables is so cringe they could reverse engineer them we should only rent a license to stream goyslop

>>713502326
*xe

Maybe proprietary middleware are the enemies we made along the way.

Imagine if a law for skg passed, some company dumps the server code and users find out some fucking pajeet coded to use their cleartext info everywhere lmao

>>713503308
>>713503321
oh hey look someone responded to your retarded bullshit before you could even post it: >>713503292

>>713500832
>You could argue that him doing zero research into what Ross was advocating and just making assumptions about what SKG was
Thor knew perfectly well what StopKillingGames was

He deliberately chose to misinterpret it because he was at the time about to co-publish Rivals of Aether 2, a single player game with always online DRM.

>>713503424
That's what happened with DOOM, people criticized Carmack for his spaghetti-code but it didn't even matter.

>>713503185
That is correct
Just as how apple will have to use usb-c going forward

>>713503442
Thor didn't misinterpret anything
He followed the asks being made to their natural conclusions, ones that Ross (and you) didn't understand because he's tech-illiterate

>>713503429
I think you're link is broken because you're just showing a schizo post that makes no sense. Why are you afraid of games dying all of a sudden? The initiative is to save games and it makes you think games are going to die? Maybe they should reconsider their approach if they plan to end support and never let you play again?

>>713497116
Combination of shit prospects, unattainable housing & social media fried brains

>>713503506
You aren't fooling anyone, roach.

>>713503185
Just have a dummy server built into the game
What does the executable even need from the server? Certainly nothing of any size. New games can have an option to bypass the server requirement which could be activated when the servers are taken offline

>>713501460
It's just another issue used by grifters to make people outraged.

>All New Single-Player Games to have an Offline Mode
There
That's all you need to say

>>713503506
>to their natural conclusion
Thor literally says live-service and MMO will die instantly once this gets into law. WTF kind of fatalistic slippery slope argument is that?

While on the discussion of modern proprietary code and security concerns with user data and how it is stored: Is it all necessary for the existence of said services? Legitimate question, is this a case of bad practices leading to bloat like every other software company OR is it required for the existence of the software due to new practices and regulations within the industry forcing developers to use these practices?
Software-anon please answer, you seem to be in the know. Why were these changes neccersary compared to something like TF2 or Counter Strike which offers server software?

>>713503674
Why the fuck would a single player game have an online mode in the first place

>>713503626
>what does a game that uses a server to do literally all of its game logic need from the server?
I don't know how many times I can call you people tech-illiterate before you stop pretending to know anything about software
You fucking idiots couldn't navigate a basic file system.

Trolls are good these days. Indistinguishable from real idiots

Everyone who wants this just wants to profit off of someone elses work

>>713503731
Games shouldn't be designed that way

>>713503756
I just want to play my games man.

>>713503719
That's what Ross was wondering
According to some people ITT it's a stupid question to even ask

>>713503756
Youtubers and Twitch streamers do that just fine without worrying about any games dying

I can only imagine other industries wish they had the a consumer base as stupid that video games have.

>>713503756
Not so. I just want games sold in the EU to meet appropriate standards, like other products.

>>713503719
>not selling skins to the shut ins that want to play vidya by themselves
Ngmi

>>713503705
It's not required, there's just a market for it. Down the line if SKG actually was passed into law, publishers will just look for a more compliant way to go offline easier which does put a pressure into these companies that they license to.

>>713503756
Yup. See: yuzu

>>713503705
>is using proprietary code strictly necessary?
Of course not, but whether it's strictly necessary isn't at all the question.
The question is should using client-server architecture and proprietary code/middleware be DISALLOWED, and if so why.
The answer is no, that's fucking stupid. I can build my software however I fucking want and I have no obligation to make my code available for decompilation. You want rights? I get them, too.

Kill yourself, subhuman commie shitskin.

>>713503852
I mean no wonder gamers get fucked over

Remember when people were arguing against Steam refunds and how it would instantly kill indie games and cost publishers millions of dollars?

>>713503918
What rights? To sell a product and then take it away?

Logic does not work with right wing nuts.

>>713503918
Fair enough, that does raise a question of why the rise of middleware software that disallows distribution regardless of user ability to decompile. I think that is a separate issue that has been a long long debate within the software world, but my main question is why these services became more popular when open solutions that meet requirements for functional products exist. I dunno, my only touch of development has been in analyzing data for a company rather than developing shit myself.

>>713503918
>should using client-server architecture be disallowed
>NO
>I can build my software however I fucking want
You can, but in that case you will not be able to sell your defective product in the EU
You can use proprietary code in all cases but you must avoid client-server architecture when doing so would violate EU regs

>>713503979
Yeah and there definitely isn’t a toxic culture of cheapskates surrounding that

>>713504036
Decompiling would be completely unnecessary if an offline backup for the server was implemented by the developer.

>>713504039
Oh no, what will he do without Latvia and Slovenia

>>713502162
You have to be 18+ to post here

>>713504089
Yeah but anon's argument is that if this code was distributed then it would be open for people to decompile and do bad shit with it, which I kinda get from a developer standpoint and wanting to make software the way you want with the freedom to make it hidden, but as a consumer if that involves me not being able to use a product I paid for I don't agree with it. I want to get down to the bottom of the case and find out if there is a happy middle ground that both developers and consumers can be happy with that isn't unequal in power.
Consumers want to play their games, developers want to protect their code.