>3 times slower than Steam Deck
>even slower than Switch 1
>"It's one of the slowest modern LCDs I've ever seen."
The fastest selling console in history, right nintensisters?

Ok but why is handheld display being compared to desk displays wtf

>>713506805
Handhelds should have an extremely quick response time due to how integrated the whole system is as one.

>>713506857
You are not wrong I just expected to see other handheld devices compared or something
Nintendo fags will of course defend this

>>713506729 (OP)
meh, system for kids, they won't notice or care

inb4 tendie cultists

>>713506729 (OP)
>Put in decent chips on its mainboard
>Gimp everything else
Literal chinkshit tablet tier AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>713506729 (OP)
Well yeah it's designed to be a budget console. Then Nintendo realised they could get away with selling it at a premium price anyway.

>>713506729 (OP)
Meanwhile poordroid tablet from 2022...

>>713506729 (OP)
Cut corners machine.

>>713506729 (OP)
Just like with game optimizations. Consoles are realizing that gamers don't actually care about quality and will still just keep preordering everything as long as it's marketed enough.

>120hz screen with the response rate of an early 2000s PC LCD display
Jesus fuck.

>>713506729 (OP)
Oh no, not the 0.01 seconds difference which doesn't even amount to a single frame.

>>713507032
>>Put in decent chips on its mainboard
They opted for 8nm Samsung nodes in 2025....They left so much performance on the table.

>>713506729 (OP)
>Switch 2 60hz
But it's 120hz tho?

Remember you're a retard if you bought a switch 2 instead of waiting for a revision considering how garbage the thing actually is.

>>713506729 (OP)
I play on my oled monitor, handheld is a gimmick anyways.

>>713506729 (OP)
>consolefags getting fucked in the ass
>again
kek it just keeps happening.

>>713507984
These things went into production in like 2021, so its 2021 tech snd manufactured around low cost. 2023 and up tech wouldntbbe in this. It was the same for the og switch. Cost effective 2014 tech but released in 2017 or 16 memory is hazy

>>713508034
it was measured in 60hz mode, that's all it means

>>713507961
you wanna maybe check your math again?

>>713508129
>These things went into production in like 2021
Switch 2? No it went into production this year. Also consoles tend to launch with modern architectures. Both Series X and PS5 launched with 7nm RDNA2, which was at the time not even available in AMD GPUs.

>>713506729 (OP)
>>3 times faster than Steam Deck
FTFY you lying sack of shit

>>713508603
retard

>>713508446
Neither PS5, nor XSX have RDNA2.
Both of them use RDNA1 with various upgrades. Xbox went into production later so it has a few more RDNA2 features backported than PS5, but it's still not RDNA2.
Just like Switch 2 SoC is Ampere but has Lovelace features backported and the components are arranged like in other Lovelace SoCs

>>713506729 (OP)
That way you don't feel the DLSS introduced ghosting as bad, based Nintendo thinking of their audience's wellbeing.

>>713507984
Imagine cheap 6nm Samsung node, 10-15% higher performance with 10% lower power consumption on top. I understand that 4nm for a full Lovelace die would cost too much, but every entry level Rockchip is in 6/4nm atm.
The SoC is 4 years old now, even when the Switch 1 came out, the X1 was "only" 3 years old.
Nintendo is greedy.

>>713509189
The gap to current gen consoles is even bigger now than Switch 1 was to PS4.

The immediate PCfag value proposition is to look to tit-for-tat metrics like FLOPS or SoC generations in order to value hardware. Being a PCfag, I do this too, but the reason why this doesn't entirely make sense for the Switch 2 (or any Nintendo console) is
1) The console is designed around stability (ease of manufacturing and longevity of the board materials)
2) Its ability to push games is relevant mostly against Nintendo's *previous* standard, ie the Switch, which itself was a repackaged Wii U in terms of performance
3) It's a closed platform for exclusive software, indie experiences, and games that are either a generation old or current gen but running with lower fidelity promises (ie Elden Ring at 30 FPS)
Nintendo designed a thin handheld that while big, is relatively light in the hands and doesn't kick up a fan undocked. Their priority target is servicing the morning commuters (ie the Japanese densha salarymen) and people at a library or hotel room. They are never going to target performance specs. They will sooner go for comfort specs at a lower fidelity target.

If you aren't comfortable with getting a portable machine made to play Switch 1 games handheld but now at 40-60 FPS, more shaders, better textures, and 1080p, then it's just not made for you. If you want something really powerful, get an ROG Xbox Ally X. If you want a large legacy library, great OS, and infinite modability, get a Steam Deck. If you don't give a shit about handhelds, then just build a good PC. The Switch 2 will be great at delivering its intended experiences, but that doesn't mean you're in the target audience, especially if you don't already like Bing Bing Wahoo.

The screen ghosting sucks dick though. They need to fix it.

>>713506729 (OP)
17ms is fucking nothing and
>Playing competitive shit
Fucking hate you pvp retards so fucking much.

>>713511654
>to play Switch 1 games handheld but now at 40-60 FPS
I should clarify that I mean Switch 1 *type* games. Expect Fire Emblem to look better and run at 60 FPS, but to still look like a Japanese game that isn't trying to push pixel counts. Compare the look of Fire Emblem to Resident Evil 4 with all the settings turned up, and you'll get what I mean.
This is why Duskbloods looks like PS4 game and will likely run somewhere between 40-60 FPS handheld and 60 FPS docked. While not optimal, it's a lot better with a VRR screen that can kill screen tearing and make anything above 40 FPS look actually quite good (as we know from the Steam Deck itself).

switch 2 screen is 120hz why is this review on 60

>>713511715
To be fair anon, Arcsys all but said they're revealing their new leaked "Watari" project for the Switch 2 on their livestream on Friday. For all we know, we could see more competitive stuff on the Switch 2, and I'm sure Duskbloods will be plenty "competitive" even though it's not strict 1v1 PvP.
>most people would just play on their low response rate TVs at that point
fair nuff but I'd like to see the ghosting addressed as a firmware update

Watari leak details: https://www.ign.com/articles/guilty-gear-developer-arc-system-works-addresses-data-leak-heres-what-we-know-so-far-including-potential-info-about-nintendo-switch-2-carts

Presentation announcement: https://www.gematsu.com/2025/06/arc-system-works-showcase-set-for-june-27-featuring-new-game-announcements

>>713511803
>trying to push pixel counts.
You can't be this retarded.

The Switch 2 has a larger liquid-crystal display, more internal storage, and updated graphics, controllers and social features. It supports 1080p resolution and a 120 Hz refresh rate in handheld or tabletop mode.
Why test 60???

>>713506729 (OP)
The ps5 and xbox don't even come with a screen.

>>713511937
you numbnuts, the Switch 2 is built around DLSS and upscaling techniques. the internal raster target is tiny by design. they will look prettier than Switch games, but they'll hit a mark that's like Switch++ in terms of visuals.

>>713507961
>that response time is longer than a single frame you dunce

>>713506729 (OP)
What does response time mean if they're all 60Hz

>>713511932
>>713512081
https://chimolog.co/switch-2-panel/
>2025年時点、Switch 2用ゲームタイトルのほぼすべてが「60 fps」対応です。
As of 2025, almost all game titles for Switch 2 are “60 fps” capable.
>よって60 fpsモード時の応答速度がとても重要になりますが、残念ながら60 Hz時の応答速度はとんでもなく遅いです。
Therefore, the response time in 60 fps mode is very important, but unfortunately the response time at 60 Hz is ridiculously slow.
>30パ>測定で、平均17.06ミリ秒を記録します。
With 30 pattern measurements, it records an average of 17.06 milliseconds.
>60 Hzに必要な16.67ミリ秒すら満たせず、残像感がすごく目立つ性能です。
The performance cannot even meet the 16.67 ms required for a refresh rate of 60 Hz, and the afterimage is very noticeable.
>Switch 2の本体設定から、リフレッシュレートを任意に変更する機能が見当たりません。
I cannot find the ability to change the refresh rate to any desired value from the Switch 2 unit settings.
>60 Hzしか選べず120 Hzを選択できなかったため、120 Hz時の応答速度をそもそも測定できない状態です。
Since only 60 Hz could be selected and not 120 Hz, the response time at 120 Hz could not be measured in the first place.

>>713506729 (OP)
>2040
>Nintendo makes new console
>It's literally made of shid and fards
>Can play Mario Kart
>People buys it in droves

>>713512368
Frequency: how many distinct images a display can show in a unit interval of time.
Response time: how quickly a pixel can change from one color to another.
Ghosting occurs when the internal logic of the game tells the monitor to render some part of the image elsewhere while it's *just* caught up to rendering the image at its original location. The effect means that while the image is moving, there's a blur caused from the belated image update.

>>713506805
because the snoys have to resort to making unrealistic comparisons in order to make nintendo look bad

Just so you remember. 1 second consists of 1000 (THOUSAND) miiliseconds.
17 miiliseconds delay vs 3 milliseconds delay sounds like a lot but in reality the difference is essentially nothing.

>>713506729 (OP)
The average switch user is a boomer, and boomers have a 300ms reaction time in average. No one is even noticing this delay.

>>713512994
>it's a really small number so you can't see it
bitch a single frame on a 60hz display lasts 16.66ms and 60hz already feels like shit to me
and nintendo gave it such a shit screen that it takes longer for it to change the pixel than it does to render the next frame

>has HDR
>offers broken HDR calibration so you can't set it correctly
Bravo nintendo. At least the resident TV autist figured it out and provides guidance.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BmkMcaqpX8

>>713512994
no, 16.67 ms is a frame at 60 fps. in fighting games, most players will recognize 2-3 frame lag very easily. at top level play, a 1 frame lag is noticeable even though it's not reactable.
the important thing is that the lag on the display should not exceed 1 frame, and ideally should sit under it as much as possible. honestly though, the biggest problem is the visible ghosting effect

ITT ghosting is okay when nintendo does it.

>>713508034
The human eye can't see past 60fps so the 120fps is just marketing buzzwords to draw in people who don't know anything.

>>713508034
it won't help
see those displays at the top? they're advertised as 240hz screens with 0.3ms response times
if quartering their refresh rates didn't hurt their response times then proportionally testing the switch 2's screen at 120 won't help it because fundamentally refresh rate is just telling the monitor to change the picture more often

>>713506729 (OP)
WHY THE FUCK ISNT IT OLED THOUGH
WHY THE FUCK DO THEY STILL USE A REGULAR ASS GLASS SCREEN COVERED WITH EASILY SCRATCHED PLASTIC
fucking budget phones have better screens than this shit

>screen response time
>during handheld mode
Who gives a fuck? Nobody who is playing their competitive games on Switch 2 is gonna play the thing in fucking handheld mode. They will dock it so they can use their actual top tier screen instead.
The ghosting is more of an issue but even that only seems to effect a few Switch 2 consoles - not all of them. The 3DS screen lottery is back on the menu.

>>713513514
i know you're shitposting but the human eye doesn't think in terms of frames. it can perceive movement and discrepancies at higher response times, which is why videos can "feel" off even though they're delivering lots of frames poorly.
Refresh rate has to be combined with render techniques to trick the eye into seeing motion through rapidly drawn still images. not only are high framerates important to do this in video games (where controller polling really pushes the need for higher framerates), but actually delivering them in a proper way is just as important in selling fluid movement

>>713513735
OLED has bad flicker with VRR unless you spend a lot of extra battery running the screen at much higher response rates. Even then it's tricky. There's a reason you'd see it perhaps on a TV but no handheld actually supports OLED VRR

>>713513776
Ghosting is a legit problem though since it tires out the eyes. Honestly I just want them to fix it through a firmware update because, yeah if I want to actually play a competitive game on the Switch 2, I'll do it docked.