Thread 713509590

Do you think Nintendo are wondering why everyone votes random? They've got to be tracking this right?

Say what you want to say cunt
Don't hide behind implications like a pussy

>>713509664
Anon learn the difference between implication and paranoid inference

No one is wondering because it's obvious. Its 24 players. having 3 normal options and 3 highway options isn't complicated

I don’t mind some of the intermission tracks. Feel like this game was engineered for a randomized knockout tour mode and it just didn’t get implemented.

>>713509664
I don't think he was being subtle, I don't even have the game and I know what he's talking about

>>713509590 (OP)
I never saw a game where everyone vote random in 40 hours.

>>713510042
It’s weird that some allow you to do the final lap backwards or come up with unique routes like the shy guy Bazaar one’s that take you through Daisy’s castle, but places like whistletop summit never have a backwards lap despite it being completely feasible.

>>713509664
picking random removes the shitty intermission tracks no one likes, and you get to race all 3 laps instead of just the one.
MKW's biggest gimmick, is it's worst feature

>>713510189
have you tried playing online, faggot?

>>713510457
I'm very sorry you had to learn the truth that way, anon.

>get Mario Kart World shorts in my feed
>it's all people pushing "online etiquette" about only choosing Random to skip the intermissions and implying people who don't are bad sports, or saying extreme bagging as the best strategy to play well on intermission courses
Wonder if this'll affect normalfag perception on this kind of thing, feels like metafagging in general became a lot trendier since I also see Baby Bloopers nonstop.

>>713510189
I'm zapping between random streamings right now and most people choose random, but there is always like 3-5 people that choose a track.
I only saw everyone choosing random in that twitter pic that they keep posting here with the guy using the goomba

>>713509590 (OP)
the non stop random sucks balls.
the tracks are too short for your 3 lap autism, quite genuinely grow up.

>>713510689
children who play won't care.
zoomers and nintarddlers who do nothing but consume endless youtube shit will post endless essays and come up with extremely gay lingo for it.

>>713509590 (OP)
it's to stop you faggots from picking the same 3 shit tracks because you don't know how to play the game

>>713510689
I don't understand metafaggotry in Mario Kart, it's a kind of pathetic I just can't wrap my head around. You may as well pick a character and kart you like for when you get hit by a lighting bolt in third place and drop down to sixteenth right before the finish line.

Aside from maybe one or two tracks I think they might be worse then 8 bros

Also I cant believe how slim the launch line up is honestly

>>713511440
I don't envy the task of trying to one-up Mario Kart 8, especially 8 Deluxe + Booster Course Pass. I feel like they did the best they reasonably could have without just making Mario Kart 8 again. Base Mario Kart World clears base Mario Kart 8, though.

This image makes me want to kill myself.

>>713510417
>we could have had Mario Kart 9,with rail-riding and wall-riding available on the switch 1 years ago.

>>713511581
I think MKWorld has potential to be the best mario kart...after a couple years worth of content updates and a DLC pack. I don't know how they're supposed to add new race tracks into the world, tho

>>713511946
Maybe expanding the land? It will take more time but the game will be huge at the end

>nintendo giving any kind of a shit what its playerbase wants
lol

>>713511440
The tracks are worse. The mechanics are better.
Knockout tour chaos is quite fun when you play online but alone or locally MK8 is just better.
I wouldn't say the world itself is bad, free roam is entertaining for a while but it did come at a cost.

>>713511869
Why?

>>713511946
Additional landmasses out in the ocean would be the be the easiest way to add new tracks without fucking with the established layout of the map. I'd love to see Daisy Cruiser come back and serve as functional transport to any new islands, but they'd probably just have use drive over water.

>>713512139
Nintendo tends to be pick-and-choose when it comes to feedback. They listened to people voicing complaints about Mario Maker 2 having no random matchmaking and Switch Sports memoryholing Miis by adding Multiplayer VS.in the former and Champion Mii battles in the latter.

>>713511581
>Base Mario Kart World
has shit tracks because they're designed for an open-world which adds absolutely nothing to the experience.
The game could have easily had 16 more tracks if they didn't spend dev time on this garbage.

>>713511581
>I feel like they did the best they reasonably could have without just making Mario Kart 8 again
As I said above, they had rail-riding and wall-riding to deliver as new features. That alone would prevent it from being "Mario Kart 8 again". They could have had that, dropped the open world, so they wouldn't have been forced to wait for switch 2 and instead focus on having better tracks since they wouldn't have had open world dividing their attention.

>>713509590 (OP)
Because they dont realize you can press + and pick any 3 lap track or any intermission you want

>>713509664
Take your meds man are you having a stroke?
What's wrong with OPs post?

>>713512430
This doesn't work in online races.

>>713509590 (OP)
I always pick sprint races or crown city. Fucking love crown city.

>>713512194
tryhard sweats in my party game for literal babies.
plus koopa beach fucking sucks and you know they just did 5 laps there.

>>713512374
>The game could have easily had 16 more tracks if they didn't spend dev time on this garbage.
Facts.

Intermissions should have been included with knockout tour. a lot of people don't want to drive a straight line then only play one lap of the actual course.

>>713512374
it never wouldve though.

>>713512374
The tracks are actually really good though and you simply won't convince me otherwise. The connective tissue is a mixed bag for sure, but literally every track is good in ways I am only beginning to understand. I may have agreed with you 30 hours ago, but not now. Nintendo's only fuck up was not keeping the classic three lap structure for Grand Prix.

Post favorite costume + vehicle combo

I like the intermissions

>>713512663
>tryhard sweats in my party game for literal babies.
Blame Nintendo for this one, adding ELO to any multiplayer game with a clear winner and loser and not balancing properly will do this.

>>713512806
I don't have a pic but it's mechanic Mario with the pipe frame

>>713512846
>pick waliugi in bullet bill
>still in 8k lobbies
lmao, kys metafags.

>>713512806
Pro Racer Mario and Tiny Titan

This game just doesn't have the same magic. Where is the angry sun in desert hills?

>>713510689
>choosing Random to skip the intermissions
Huh?

how does the meta on this game work? Why is Toad apparently good but lighter characters like the babies that have similar stats are considered bad?

>>713513090
instead of picking the linked tracks from the next track vote, if the "random" option is selected it picks a random course and runs it unlinked, making it multilap.

Its okay for a change of pace, and shows as a vote option every now and then, but mariokart youtubers and loser autists are insisting its the ONLY way you're allowed to play online.

>>713513090
If you choose the random option in online matches the randomly selected track will always be a three lap race rather than a drive from the track you last raced on.

>>713513153
its made up currently based on whichever youtuber or reddit post gets popular.

>>713512972
It's now mario land themed so there is no sun

>>713513232
makes sense

>>713513153
It's all bullshit I won multiple races with the fucking rallygator

>>713513251
what do you mean they rethemed a notoriously disliked track and added obscure characters that have never been depicted in 3d?? where's the sovl....

The by far biggest problem with the online is the inability to do grand prix races.
Why the fuck can't you do grand prix online?

>>713513153
the game's not horribly balanced or anything. it's arguably better than 8 even with the hidden stats stuff. Every weight class can strike a good balance of speed and acceleration

>>713513360
because you're not picking random and contributing to the data point the proves it should be there, dummy

I am still confused as to why there isn't just a mode to do standard 3 lap courses as a cup.

>>713513321
People disliked Desert Hills?

>>713512374
>has shit tracks because they're designed for an open-world
this is a shit opinion from the perspective of casual play. the tracks themselves have a lot of interesting lines and routes for different levels of skill expression. i don't really give a shit about the open world (though the p switch challenges are neat), and i'm having a blast with getting the movement mechanics down.

I think 24 player was a mistake because it makes the races too chaotic to find particularly fun.

>>713513153
every weight class is good, but people are figuring out how to drive them properly over time and making youtube videos on their findings. meta-only players copy the theorycrafting they see on youtube, which is why you see lots of similar play at higher levels. in truth, all weight classes and kart types have their place in the meta because MKW is actually quite well balanced around the diversity of options. the changes to "optimal" coin thresholds is a good example of this

>>713513623
the changes to "optimal" coin thresholds is a good example of this

I'm really glad they did this because trying to use babies/light weight in 8 was hell since they were literally dependent on having 8-10 coins to have any sort of speed.

>>713513569
24 players isn't the real problem. Mega Mushrooms are too damn strong, Star is too weak, Boomerang needs to fuck off back to three throws, the super horn is too fucking common in the middle of the pack, invincibility in general feels nonexistent after 8, and idk why they thought the blue shell needed more stun time. It was perfect in 8

waifu

>baby blooper
>has a road speed bonus
>Loco Moto train bike
>has a water speed bonus
>Toad is a fast character in SMB2 and 3D world
>dirt road bonus
>Toadette was the off road character in wii
>road speed bonus in world
>The Dolphin is somehow lighter than the Penguin and Snowman

I'm not angry about any of this. Just confused.

>>713512886
that's not impressive. literally everyone is past 8k at this point.

>>713514851
How strong are these ground speed boni anyways?

>>713514195
>invincibility in general feels nonexistent after 8
This is the real problem. You can just keep getting hammered the instant you regain control. You need a second or two of invincibility to get the fuck out of the way.

I miss regional. I don't want to be stuck racing try hard japanese players for the rest of this game's life online.

The best part about this game is that all the advanced tech is twitter clip and time trial shit that always looses to bagging in actual online matches 99% of the time. There is literally no point in doing shit in this game until lap 3 on every track.

>>713513251
True to the Game Boy experience.

>>713511581
I won't lie, I don't remember any of the original tracks in base MK8. The only ones I remembered were the dragon one, the Zelda one and the F-Zero ones and those were DLC.

>>713515012
just 1 point(.2 for the ingame bar) usually. The stats here are "mostly" accurate since we can't exactly datamine them yet.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1t3BeXH3shj6Rh7x0ROFD81ZBxyumQFs9pebbnYcfWi4/edit?gid=797055491#gid=797055491

Would you say the baby blooper spam is better or worse than the teddy buggy? Or wild wiggler?

>>713515489
Wiggler was always the worst. At least the other cars look nice.

>>713515163
>There is literally no point in doing shit in this game until lap 3 on every track.
The point is that it's fun to do. You can probably beat Mario 64 by only using the analog stick and jumping when absolutely necessary, that doesn't mean it'll be a fun way to play the game.

>>713515489
I think meta kart picks are pathetic no matter what the actual kart is.

I fucking hate how everyone picks random. If people are afraid of change, why don't they just play 8? I want to see the fucking WORLD in Mario Kart WORLD. It's such a neat idea to have multiplayer matches travel across the map as the lobby progresses, but no one is even giving it a shot. I lose faith in humanity in new and unexpected ways every fucking day...

>>713515256
Speaking of that, the worst part of this stats shit isn't even characters, it's definitely vehicles, more so the water vehicles. Stellar Sled is the worst vehicle in the game in the vast majority of situations because it fucks your accel and isn't even that fast except on water. And sadly, the only solutions are either to add a lot more water courses or just let them be bad.

>>713515489
At the very least, it looks like a car. The worst part about 8 is how the cool options sucked ass.

>>713515601
>implying this or Dry Bones in a tank aren't the coolest shit ever

>a few years ago
>teambuilding vacation with gamedev coworkers
>one of them brings his Switch
>everyone decides to get hammered and play Mario Kart
>I help him set up, start the game
>see his last driver/kart selection
>it's the meta Waluigi Wiggler
>set it to something else before putting it on the tv so he doesn't embarrass himself

>>713515601
Oh I agree completely. I always use what I like and not what's the best.
>>713515637
It shouldn't have been forced into 3 lap lobbies. That's on nintendo for making that decision.

I really REALLY fucking hope the next update adds highway races to the Random selection. These fucking neanderthals need to embrace the new or kill themselves.

>>713515679
For me the worst part is that the ingame stats menu is fucking useless for the vehicle speeds even more so than 8. You have no choice but to use outside sources. On the bright side at least Nintendo Made Miniturbo be hard tied to acceleration this time and everyone charges at the same rate.

>>713515489
Nothing can be worse than this.

>>713515890
I genuinely can't fault people for not wanting to drive largely straight lines that are even more luck dependent than fucking mario kart 8 cheeseland most of the time. No point in ever being first on them because you'll just get fucked over by people who hung out in the back. Item chaos is fun but there are limits.

>>713509590 (OP)
They must already be working on an alternative at this point. No way Japan isn't vocal about it.

>>713516107
I liked B Dasher Monsters if I'm being 100% honest. Visually it looks nice compared to say Wiggler Rollers, Teddy Rollers, mr scooty Rollers......

>>713515489
Visually, Baby Blooper looks better

>>713509590 (OP)
I expect them to patch out random select within a year because of bruised egos on the part of devs.

>>713515795
Thanks to the current year, we'll never get the dry bomber back

>>713516174
Why do people keep saying this like frontrunning has any viability in regular tracks either? There's a reason why everyone decent at the game started making dedicated lobbies that limit to 12 players when they want to play seriously.

>>713511581
WiiU Mario Kart 8 was great. The Switch version made the driving and item mechanics worse.

For me it's the Mach Rocket. It's only flaw is that it doesn't come in a few more colors

>>713515637
kek

>>713516581
Because track knowledge still matters just as much as luck. Someone who knows the time trial stuff has a better chance of winning more often than not than someone who doesn't

>>713514953
I just got in a lobby right now with no 8k. Funnily enough they all picked among the 3 tracks (so intermissions)
I spent all of the intermission on autopilot, bagged in 14th or so with a golden & a mega, and by the time we arrived in Mario Circuit, I offroad cut through the track with the golden and mega'd on the second to last turn and i won with a blue shell lead.
Really wish the tournament system from 8 was here so I could just play in a room peacefully without needing to have friends.

>>713512663
>noooo they are tryhards because they dont want to race straight lines, Nintendo s-s-save meeeeeeeeeee!
kek

Can you remember the last time you got a blooper or got inked by a blooper in world?

Variety and randomness are the spice of life.

>>713516640
does that one at the top right say 20% cooler?

>>713517004
Hate to dash your hopes but no.

remember when people were crying about the lightning being nerfed?

>a bunch of cool new tech introduced
>randomly decide to make drifting feel like utter shit
literally why?

>>713517214
It feels a lot less like it’s meant to punish first and more like it punishes baggers that don’t time their invincibility right. I can’t count how many times I was near the back trying to save a bullet or mega for the right timing only to get smacked with lightning and end near the bottom.

Are you guys down for some races RIGHT NOW

>>713517427
Why is the jump button the same as the drift button?

>>713517427
>cool

Lol

>>713518096
Homage to Yuji Naka.

>>713518096
As a side note, I don’t like how they balanced charge jumps. I like the jumps themselves, I just don’t like how charging it is in terms of balance.
>takes forever to charge past the basic charge
>so people only ever charge jumps to the bare minimum for the shortcut they need
>rail grinding has the same charging as a jump charge
>except just jumping on the rails as much as possible is better than just staying until you get a level 3 charge

>>713517815
dead game

Wait, you guys hate the intermissions?

>>713512194
>>713516646
>>713516917
>>713518234
Please kill yourself. It's an earnest request. I say it with utmost sincerity.

>>713519585
>people like the actual tracks more than the roads leading up to them
shocking

>>713519585
I like both. I think it's a neat addition.
It was jarring at first because you'd be on the intermission track and then only 1 lap for the real map.

>>713519779
I like both, and I like that the game gives you the option to pick which you'd rather. Of course, it'd be preferable if you could just pick outright for classic map selection, or if you want to do intermissions.
>>713519989
Yeah the final lap being the only one on the chosen track is definitely offputting. I enjoy it as a whole though, like you said, it's neat.

>>713515637
>claims others are afraid of change
>afraid of people picking something that isn't the same intermission ad nauseum
The real issue is that Nintendo constantly drops the ball when it comes to multiplayer track selection, look at 8 Wii U and Deluxe both skewing track selection in favor of DLC

>>713520068
Having the option is nice, but Nintendo knows that most lobbies would pick classic so they do the Nintendo thing and try to force everyone (who doesn't look up how to circumvent it) to do the intermissions.

Nah, Im good. Playing peak instead

>>713520897
>30fps racing game
blegh

driving to the tracks is cool and good.

>>713520068
>I like both, and I like that the game gives you the option to pick which you'd rather.
It doesn't let you pick just doing 3 laps only thoughbeit.

>>713509590 (OP)
Intermission races are like the rampages from MHRise
They'll be dumped and memory holed by the time dlc/updates come out

>>713512846
The ELO system doesn't even work right, I won a Knockout Tour at ~8000 and lost points.

>>713521310
I mean sure but Nintendo needs to embrace the crazy

>>713519585
They vary too much. You get one of two options, and the second is much more common.
>tons of traffic with varying ways to take the route, with traffic being helpful or harmful in one way or another
>some off-beaten path with basically no traffic and you just drive straight, also the only cuts exist for mushrooms exclusively

>almost a month in
>still no intermission tier list
curious...

>>713521593
its based on performance through the whole race, anti bagfag technology

>mario bros circuit has a perfectly functional reverse track layout which even includes the various arrow markers on the track itself being reversed too
>intermission exclusive and only one lap

question. is there any mechanical difference between the fire and ice flowers? in tour the ice flower froze you and your steering for a bit.

>>713522091
Modern Nintendo is retarded

>>713522290
I think the only differences are visual in this game

>the siren doesn't shoo the blooper any more
Why

>>713516509
still in awe they actually did this

>>713522516
that only worked in tour. Which make it even more confusing that it didn't carry over to world.

>>713522290
There's no difference, they and the boomerang need to be nerfed or deleted. It's absurd that they get so many attack charges. Boomerang especially, as it can hit you 8 times, breaks held items, and still hits you when it does.

>>713512320
>They listened to people voicing complaints about Mario Maker 2 having no random matchmaking
QRD?

>>713523216
the boomerang fucking sucks.

Are there hidden stats in this game like in 8, and is it better or worse?
I just want to drive my Boshi on a bike

>>713523547
so then we agree, just delete it from the game

>>713524106
They’re still in, they’re less impactful for characters but for vehicles they still kind of suck to deal with. But as long as you avoid a water focused vehicle you’ll be fine.

>>713523216
they did nerf the fire flower. in 8 it had 10 shots.

>>713524106
>Are there hidden stats in this game like in 8, and is it better or worse?
Hidden stats are in and they're worse
The game is lying to you much more than in 8/8DX as the stat spread for some stats like speed are more varied instead

For example, Wario and Pianta are in the same weight class. In MK8/8D this would mean they share the same speed values but in World this' false as Pianta has more water speed than Wario while Wario has more ground speed but they both share the same off-road speed

In MKW, the speed stat isn't a true flat stat, nor is it a separate stat like how MK8/8D had speed, anti-grav speed, glider speed etc. In MKW the speed stat you see in the UI is spread between ground, offroad, and water so when you see two characters with the same speed stat, their speeds are actually completely different

Vehicles still have the same shit too with the in-game stats lying to you

>>713523216
I swear the Boomerang also slightly homes in on people if you shoot it near them but not perfectly. Either that, or it's hitbox is seriously huge. I love using it.

>>713524106
Characters & karts have hidden stats for road, terrain (dirt), and water speed bonuses. The 1st is generally most valued, hence why for example, out of the entire 3rd weight class (Toadette, Nabbit, Toad, Koopa, Shy Guy, Stingby, Lakitu, Cheep Cheep), the first two (or rather, Toadette mostly, people dont like Nabbit) is often seen on time trial or online, because they have the road bonus.
Vehicles are especially fucked. Look at the circled stats, and consider that 90% of the terrains are roads (Moo Moo is dirt, Shipyard is mostly water, Salty Speedway & Peach Beach have some water). If you were wondering why everyone was on the Baby Blooper, you have your answer.
If you're also wondering why a vehicle based on Blooper is not specialized in water, you're also sorta in the right.

What does the Acceleration stat do?

>>713511109
kids are the ones on youtube shorts genius

>>713525514
I refuse to believe this is a genuine question on what acceleration does in a racing game

>>713525514
Makes you get to your top speed faster from 0. Good if you want to recover from being hit or failing shortcuts quickly.

>>713519585
Some a good, some just feel way too short or have too many straight highways

>>713525758
Errrmmmm, it's ACKCHUALLY a party game

>>713519585
Some are a nice break from the standard 3 lap formula. However most have really bad layouts and feel like shit to play. I have had many instances of taking an obvious shortcut only to get lakitu'd. I think they should have designed them more like Mount Wario from MK8. That map was perfect.

>>713525514
how fast you speed up after recovering from a hit or a complete stop. In this game is also directly affects your mini turbo duration unlike in 8 where it was a separate stat.

>>713526240
KOT is stupid online. The VR makes no sense. You can get 2nd place and lose 70 points. You can also get knocked out at 16th on the 12 gate and gain points. I found that unless you place first, you're better off getting knocked out before the final section otherwise you'll lose a massive amount of VR.

>>713525371
I legitimately think Stellar Sled is the worst vehicle in the game for actual races.
>all the high speed is specced into water
>absolutely no acceleration so you get fucked hard when you do get fucked

>>713526570
there’s a simple solution to this
git gud

>>713526610
Wait there's separate water and land acceleration?

>>713526610
yet the ingame stats make it appear far better than it actually is. If they were accurate it'd be the fastest kart in the game.

>>713526883
Speed*

>>713526883
No everything accelerates the same. No point in making thing needsly complicated like anti gravity speed did in 8.

>>713526797
A retarded argument. You're in a matchmaker, if you keep doing well the game will just throw harder and harder players at you until you're outmatched. Unless you expect every player to become the absolute best at the game, which is impossible and certainly not simple.

>>713526610
Dread Sled is really bad too. Someone like DK (no road bonus heavy, so 8 speed) on Dread Sled goes slower than Toadette/Nabbit Baby Blooper on 90% of the terrain (11 for DK Dread vs 12 speed for Toadette/Nabbit Blooper) while losing 8 points of acceleration/mini turbo.
That isn't even considering your bigger hitbox among other factors that make you even worse.

There's 166 replies and I'm too tired to read, what is OP talking about

Has anyone seen rainbow road with intermission online? Ive gotten it randomly once. But you can select the intermission course from stage select so maybe the intermission can appear if theroute is chosen from peaches castle.

I have yet to touch online and everything I hear about how people act there makes me less and less inclined to even bother.

Free roam is fun

>>713527653
I wish/hope there was an option to show where p switches & medalions roughly are, like ? panels
I'm only missing a few and its tilting me to no end

>>713527262
during the vote for the next track you get the option to vote for 3 tracks or vote for a random track, most of the time those 3 tracks are "intermission tracks" which consists of a road that leads from one track to another and then one lap of the chosen track instead of doing 3 full laps on the chosen track
picking random gives you full 3 lap tracks instead of intermission tracks

>>713527157
there’s a simple solution to this
git gudder

>>713527653
free roam unironically ruined racing games

>>713511329
Metafaggotry has crept into basically every game with the rise of streamers and youtubers that people watch and copy. People will metagame the fuck out of single player games too and turn them into complete cakewalks.

That's why modern online gaming sucks ass and why you see the millennials retreating to singleplayer games, too many gamers are little tryhard faggot that minmax the fun out of the game. Power gaming became the norm.

>>713527797
Meh it's just stickers desu I don't think it really matters
I get you though I used to be the same way about games
All you can really do is use one of the online maps and visit every single one and mark them off I think or look at a list of stickers and ones you're missing and where to get them if you wanna "cheat".

>>713528019
I'm making a YouTube video that has a small segment about this. It's a common thing but people are missing the big picture imo. Also people have been doing this since before the rise of twitch just not as many people and it was less intense. I also just think people are better at games in general. I don't think it's as bad as everyone says in this specific regard but the root cause certainly is

>>713528026
I know there's no reward but it'll satisfy my autism, even if the number of p switches in and of itself is an autism trigger (why not 400 Nintendo please even the medalions & ? panels have a nice round number).
Oh well, maybe i'll find them randomly

>>713512194
Random is the only option to not play intermission tracks. If you want to play a full race on a regular track instead of 2-3 on a long straight line, you got to pick random.

>>713528128
People way back just didn't have access to knowledge that people do now, the streamers and youtubers are just another way for the knowledge to get spread. Way back in the day when Aria of Sorrow was new on the GBA, a friend and I would compete for the best time in the boss rush mode to one up each other. It was pretty neck and neck for a while until I went onto GameFAQs and saw the strategies others were using that were twice as fast as what we were doing. So I copied that, showed my friend my new time and blew his mind, then he ended up searching online too and it started an arms race. We needed to use highly advanced tech to compete with each other because once one person starts doing it, you have to do it too because it's the only way to keep up.

One of the biggest issues in my opinion is the death of community servers where people can just relax and have fun. Now you'll be thrown in with randoms that will rage at you if you perform poorly, so there's a social incentive to learn how to do things the proper meta way. MMOfags will now watch youtube guides before doing a dungeon or raid so they don't fuck up. with MMOs in particular there can be 2 hallways that lead to the same place with the exact same enemy replacement but if you go right instead of left, someone legitimately might leave the group and insult you because you didn't take the meta route despite there being no difference between the 2. .

>>713528449
I thought every one had like a unique sticker?
I'm autistic too but I'm really autistic about games as art and game design moreso these days and like, I had to basically force myself to get rid of the brain bug that tells me I HAVE to roll into every wall in dark souls in case I miss something. It's been much more enjoyable to just vibe through.

>>713528748
sometimes one of the 3 choices will not have arrows leading to it which means its not an intermission track

>>713527206
Well at least we know nintendo's not adverse to giving stuff buffs. Hopefully they don't wait years down the road to do so even if it fucks up time trials again.

>>713528128
people have been metafagging in mario kart since before twitch was even a thing
your shitty headcanon sucks and you don't know what you're talking about

>>713510042
I get the feeling there's content like this being hidden behind unannounced free updates. I get a similar vibe from enemies like Spiny arbitrarily not being playable, or characters having drastically different numbers of costumes. Why on earth would you give priority to all of the babies but not Donkey Kong?

>>713509664
LEAVE NINTENDO ALONE!

>>713528810
Yeah, you're not wrong. I think the issue lies within the game design itself having these variables that make it worth it to do so to begin with. There are some extremely balanced games such as TF2 where you can't really be a meta fag because of how it's designed. Dota 2 is also similar, people do do Meta shit but people are always inventing new things constantly so there's that symbiotic relationship between innovators and people who just follow trends which I think is interesting. I can't really give any deep thoughts on it right now but I will say I think a trend away from this is emerging. I've seen a lot of people on classic wow at least that are very pro addon anti guide and am in a pretty big guild dedicated to doing it the old fashioned way and learning ourselves. There's certainly an interest in this type of thing at least.
I'll say also that while multiplayer games and people doing this in them is one thing, people watching a video on "GET OP IN ELDEN RING IN THE FIRST HOUR" before even touching the game is an actual tragedy imo. I feel like they are robbing themselves of an experience and to a smaller degree disrespecting all of the effort the team put in to make the game.
Have you noticed small portions of communities trending towards more casual approaches at all yourself?

>>713528986
I literally said people have always done it please read my post again

>>713528128
>before the rise of twitch just not as many people and it was less intense
It was always just as intense. I remember people doing it in MKWii, MKDS, and MK7. Everyone was using specific combos online line before twitch was a thing. The people who play mario kart online regularly have already self filtered to be the most dedicated to try harding. After the newness of the current game wares off all that will be left are the try hards.

>>713522813
It was a different time and during desert storm

>>713529120
A DLC for Bananza feels really obvious, with 1 costume each for DK and Pauline, and the lack of Diddy.

>>713529332
I know you're right but I think some games tend to be special cases. I think this was always something people wanted to do but the consensus wasn't always there as to what was best in more complex games. YouTubers and Streamers act as a consensus conduit and authority. In Mario kart it's simple enough to catch on especially when everyone is using the exact same combo, it's just two choices in Wii iirc character and kart. In say overwatch or apex or whatever it's at least thrice that if you just include character choices. I guarantee you if there wasn't some sort of easily available conduit and authority of information in an environment more complex like that it would at least take a while for people to form a consensus amongst themselves. Because the thing is people do Metagame in these games a lot but unless there's math behind it like in WoW it's not particularly objective that it's the best.

I noticed a distinct dropoff in "the tracks are too straight and wide" astroturfing after it became code for low skill players.

>>713529429
They have more than one costume and Diddy was in the direct

>>713529685
he means costumes for mario kart and adding diddy to mario kart, not bananza

>>713527892
That's not simple. At that point you're asking someone to become the best Mario Kart player and that's not something everyone can be.

>hits you out of nowhere on lap 3 and ends your race
>also when YOU have it it's an annoying item slot hog that you have to spam to get rid of
It's like they specifically designed this item to be as unfun for everyone involved as possible.

>>713529762
Oh sorry I'm retarded. Yeah they will def do DLC when Bananza comes out and probably other big games

>>713530048
It's good it's basically an aoe fuck you button to anyone close to you. I have good success with it.

>>713529209
>Have you noticed small portions of communities trending towards more casual approaches at all yourself?
In the MMO scene, yes. I don't think anyone likes the catch 22 situation that WoW devolved into where you need add-ons to play because the devs have to design around the use of add-ons. I think MMO culture in general is a large factor behind the metagaming push. Datamining is a major factor that changed gaming forever because it got rid of the need for trial and error and now you can know the exact optimal rotations before the game is fully out. The world first races and even the smaller races to be the first guild on your server to clear a boss fight were some of the first times I can remember outside of something like Magic the Gathering tournaments where large communities came together to metagame because they had to if they wanted to compete. In the case of WoW, the realm first achievements incentivized people to find the most efficient way to hit max level before everyone else and that was metagaming just for leveling up which led to a lot of the quest skipping and rush to max level that you still see permeate through MMOs when an expansion releases.

>People watching a video on "GET OP IN ELDEN RING IN THE FIRST HOUR" before even touching the game is an actual tragedy imo. I feel like they are robbing themselves of an experience and to a smaller degree disrespecting all of the effort the team put in to make the game.
I agree and i think it's more prevalent for the "harder" games. My gut instinct is that it's people that don't want to fall behind their friends too much even in a singleplayer game so they play meta builds to progress faster instead of playing how they want and enjoying the experience. It's not really too different from me and my friend playing Aria of Sorrow, he didn't want to fall behind me so he felt forced to metagame to keep up.

>>713510042
same, some of them are actually kinda cool and I try to pick them myself when I can just to see what the course looks like

What do we think of the tracks anyway?

>>713530496
why is moo moo meadows also not in meme tier? Anyway It's a real head scratcher how they made starview peak so bland. It's like they took the worst parts of Ice Ice outpost and Rosalina's ice world and called it a day.

>>713510689
current meta is actually a prisoner's dilemma
>choice to begin a race is to either do the normal timing boost or deliberately avoid doing it to start "normally"
>not boosting at start makes you slower than everyone else to bag better items, but close enough to still be able to catch up
>if the majority of people do this, mid becomes an item clusterfuck and the ones who boosted to start escape with an easy lead

>>713530817
Yeah its a shame for Starview Peak, most people don't even realize its actually the first blue fire track and not Bowser's Castle because of the water. Shame because the free roam area around it is pretty.
I guess Moo Moo Meadows could go in meme tier, I was torn because it has slight hints of tricks & techs that are kinda neat.

>>713530496
I don't like Bowser's Castle as much as everyone else
For me Airship is the best one in the game

>>713530406
Yeah. The WoW stuff is spot on. I was there for all of that shit in wotlk and remember it so fondly honestly. For me back then the metagaming was insanely fun and lovely and I just loved having the best character and dps possible. I was a teenager but went hard enough to have top 10 parses and 10k plus achievement points then. I don't really know what changed but I'll say your insight on the situation has def given me more to think about and I appreciate it.

100%. It's all just FOMO. Im certain publishers at least are aware of this as well, I mean why wouldn't they be. Preorders, playing a few days early, bonus content for doing so as well, paying streamers to play it. People also seem to have this desire in games to be the first to discover something and post it on social media as well I think. It's FOMO but I also think it's something deeper. People desperately want -- including me still, just to a lesser extent thankfully -- online worlds and experiences where they feel like they like.. "have a chance" I guess? Like ANYONE can be the first to do something in a game or at least the first in their friend group and people (at least a lot of men I've noticed) put actual value in themselves at the difficulty of games they complete and their accomplishments in them. It's sad a bit but I totally understand it because I used to be the exact same way and it's just fun to know. I've been in the 99.50-99.9th percentile in multiple games I've played and honestly it was some of the best days of my life. I can't do it anymore though, life, too old, etc. But I think we both agree that social media and how it's affected people's thinking is probably the primary reason behind all of this. Which is interesting to think about in the context of WoW because it basically was it's own social media platform to an extent. There's also just something natural about humans to want to be the best and compete, probably a lot moreso in men Id imagine? Not sure about that one.

>there are nint0ddlers metafaging over fucking mario kart
btw DS mogs

>>713509590 (OP)
Does anyone have a link to the Ghost Valley breakcore remix that appears in game?

>>713532396
nvm, found it, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pizqwgadaIg

>>713532483
Can't wait for the entire soundtrack to be on kh insider

Did it really sell under 100k this week?

>>713532524
Wish Nintendo wasn't gay and just put them on Spotify like everyone else

>>713532597
There's literally none to sell. Every place is out of stock everywhere.

>>713523494
I actually got it reversed, my bad. When Mario Maker 2 first launched, it had an option to competitively play courses against randoms with a ranked system (Multiplayer VS.) but had no way of playing with friends at all. A lot of people complained about this and eventually a friend mode was added into an update half a year later.
The Switch Sports incident also added legacy Mii champions into the game 4 months after launch, so usually it takes Nintendo 4-6 months to course correct after they fuck up if they decide to listen to fans.

>>713531628
I'm glad I could have been of some help. If you want to look into a bit deeper for the video, if you're not already aware then powergaming as I know it first got big because of Dungeons and Dragons and then it moved onto MUDs and then it got really bad in MMOs. DnD->MUD->MMOs is basically the evolution of the genre so it makes sense that it got worse as time went on and the behavior became more normalized. But back in the day you'd have THAT motherfucker in a DnD group that would trivialize everything and the dungeon master would have to revamp the campaign based around his broken character and it ruins the fun for everyone else. That or they just ban the guy or nerf his character, but metagaming was an issue even with pen and paper games.

>There's also just something natural about humans to want to be the best and compete, probably a lot moreso in men Id imagine? Not sure about that one.
Yeah, without a doubt. It feels like human nature, people want to be the best or have the most and that's reachable in a smaller online world unlike real life where there's no resets and people can be carried by generational wealth. But you do have the billionaires trying to get the most money too, they're all playing their own game and their min/maxing of profits is kind of ruining life for everyone else.

>But I think we both agree that social media and how it's affected people's thinking is probably the primary reason behind all of this
Yeah, that's where the normalization came from and now it's a part of gaming culture. It's a bit interesting because a lot of the big Twitch streamers early on were WoW players that eventually branched into other games, so they had the same metagaming mindset we had and now that's overtaken the gaming community at large.

>>713532597
The rumors were saying Nintendo sat around for about 6 months building up extra stock to have a massive launch, that 100k is probably all they released this week.

>>713521918
Okay tough guy, do it yourself. All 200 of them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZP0L7Q0cK8

>>713533037
>usually it takes Nintendo 4-6 months to course correct after they fuck up if they decide to listen to fans
>if
There’s the key word, it’s if they decide to listen. While they have there’s plenty of games that have had issues that have never been addressed. They could very well decide it’s not an issue and ignore it. It’s foolish to assume it’ll happen at all

>>713533190
Thank you! I'll look into it. That really makes sense.
>But back in the day you'd have THAT motherfucker in a DnD group that would trivialize everything and the dungeon master would have to revamp the campaign based around his broken character and it ruins the fun for everyone else.
Lol. I was aware little goblins like this have been a thing for a while but didn't realize how long it's been happening. I need to watch some videos and read some interviews about it and first edition and see what I can find out about the phenomenon. Hopefully I can find some seasoned older person to ask about it that was there, would be interesting for more context and just personally.

Honestly. This is kind of personal but sometimes I think about how successful I've been in online games. I've been famous in a few and at the top in more as I've said before. It originally started because ten year old me wanted to prove that if I wasn't obese and didn't look like a girl/fag people would like me more. I proved it to myself. But I often wonder if life weren't so inherently unfair how far I could have gone. I got invited to go to Harvard over the summer but was denied by my mom. I'm getting off topic though, but I can't help but wonder if anyone else in the world shares this unique feeling.
On a related note to minmaxing irl and something also a bit personal, I used to be a fucking robber baron crook in some games to get even more wealthy or get my wealth to begin with but I could never do that shit IRL. So theres also that layer of separation there for the player that basically opens the door morally to any sort of asshattery, even though I've grown to believe it's nearly just as bad because the guy on the other end is just trying to have fun obviously.

>>713533784
>So theres also that layer of separation there for the player that basically opens the door morally to any sort of asshattery
We'll we've seen cases like the Corrupted Blood incident get studied by sociologists before because it's basically an accurate depiction of how humans would react to a similar situation in real life. Most people avoided infected areas, some tried to help, and some fanned the flames. MMO behavior can be startlingly synonymous with real life behavior. The only difference is that everyone starts on an even playing field(which is why people loved swapping to new WoW killers). If you're capable of doing it in an MMO, you're arguably capable of doing it in real life but the limiting factor is not having the starting capital and there being a lot more players with PvP enabled IRL that will try to loot you(and there's full loot)

Amusingly, back during the mobile game gold rush in the mid to late 2010's, you'd see that same behavior from people jumping from 1 new mobile game to the next and spending money to be the top player and make a name for themselves for a short time before they hopped to the new FotM game for a fresh start to do it again. It's funny just how much the cycles keep repeating because it's humans being humans.

>It originally started because ten year old me wanted to prove that if I wasn't obese and didn't look like a girl/fag people would like me more.
MMOs being a form of escapism that mimicked real life to an extent(which I think was unbeknownst to most of us when we were kids and they were just cool games) was basically the perfect outlet for that. It's funny because when I see these modern CEOs run companies into the ground and leave with a bigger paycheck before moving onto a job at a bigger company to do it again, all I see are the filthy guildhoppers in MMOs. The officers take the guild bank and transfer to a better guild, a tale as old as time.

>>713531250
This is an oddly specific complaint but I miss when Bowser's Castle was actually a castle. Don't get me wrong I love the current ones but I'm really craving something like N64, GCN, and Wii Bowser Castle again where it felt like actually driving in his castle.

>>713527370
I've only done Knockout Tour online and it's really fun, would recommend

>>713530364
That comment is reserved for the soundbox thingy.

If I wanted intermission tracks, I would play knockout tour. That's litterally it.