Thread 713531796

THIS IS WHAT BFAGS UNIRONICALLY BELIEVE

Imagine thinking portals are real

>>713531796 (OP)
Actually I'm pretty sure that's what Afags believe

>posts an AFAG image
>calls it BFAG

>>713532498
>>713532576
Idiots.

>>713532420
>>713531796 (OP)
>>713532498
>>713532576
samefag

>>713532686
retard

>>713531796 (OP)
A hoolahoop is not an interdimensional portal, hoolahoopfags are fucking deranged

>>713532814
It's literally a portal. You go in one side and come out the other.

>bfags immediately try to switch up the options
lmao you're ngmi

>>713531796 (OP)
Common misconception. The difference between a hoop and the scenario described is that one portal is moving while the other is not.

>>713532678
>>713532758
retards

>>713531796 (OP)
Speedy thing goes in. Speedy thing comes out. Simple as.

>>713532965
The two sides of a hula hoop always move at the same direction and velocity
Portals dont

>>713532965
A hoolahoop is a hollow ring, it's absolutely not a portal. You don't physically travel through space in a hoolahoop.

>>713533104
>You don't physically travel through space in a hoolahoop.
So you're saying I phase into some kind of ethereal plane while I do it? It's unreal how dumb you people are.

>>713532678
You misunderstand anon.

Afags unironically think >>713531796 (OP) is what bfags think.

But it's not. So OP's image is more accurate to Afags beliefs than Bfags.

>>713532965
>Its literally a man. Bipedal, no feathers.

>>713533008
doesn't matter because the 'hoop' doesn't exist. Portals stitch space together.

>>713533350
But if one side of that space is enveloping you at 1,000m/s then you're goimg to exit into the other side at that same speed

>>713533293
>literally jumps

What happens if a portal speeds towards you at 500Mph, starts to send you through it, and then immediately stops moving as it gets to your waist?

>>713533662
>What would happen if the world moved around you at 500mph, but everything below your waist went with it

>>713533662
It would impart the force to your upper half. If your body's tensile strength is great enough to hold together, you'll come out at ~250 mph. If not, you get split in half.

Well?

>>713533883
A

>>713533883
I think everyone is on B consensus here, even the most retarded afags

>>713533594
That is the opposite of relative, retard.

I am A AND pro-skub

>>713534192
Why would you ever use Skub?

>>713533937
I guess /v/ is constantly brigaded by retarded /pol/ tourists so that tracks…

>>713533008
ABSOLUTE FUCKING RETARD ALTERT

ITT: People who have somehow never played Portal.

>>713534576
oh shit

>>713534576
Still a false equivalence, since you've got the distance between the two ends changing when they're suppose to be zero at all times.

>>713534576
Bfags will never refute this.

>>713533323
heh

>>713534827
>literally the post above

>>713534789
>>713535006
If distance between portals can't change then the whole premise doesn't work.

>>713535181
You are stupid.

>>713535332
I accept your concession.

>>713532420
You had to bump it.

>>713535642
kek

>>713535642
B fags are so unbelievably retarded it's insane.

>>713533883
A is in the spirit of the game
Neither one is actually possible

>>713535642
That wouldn't work.

>>713535181
Why not

>>713535181
The distance between two ends of a portal, which is to say the distance travelled GOING THROUGH THE PORTAL, is by definition zero, otherwise you do not have a portal.
>>713535580
Good to hear you accept you're stupid.

>>713533071
You're not speedy though, the portal is
If I hold one end of a slinky or accordion tube up high above a marble and let the bottom go, the marble is not magically going to rocket up through the middle of the slinky or tube.
Even if we use a hypothetical magic slinky/accordion tube where the middle between ends no longer exists and the end I hold and the end I let go effectively exist in the same place, it's still not going to magically cause the marble to rocket up into the ceiling out the held end because there is nothing acting upon it. You will simply see the marble emerge from the held end but not move, except from being disturbed by the dropped end of the slinky/tube hitting the table around it, which at most may cause it to roll in some direction.

>>713532678
the new argument: b. was always plop, changed around by spiteful a. fags

>>713534576
For some reason... I laughed out loud (loled)

>>713536494
>if you go through not a portal it won’t work
>even if you go through magically still not a portal it won’t work
Ok, great, thanks, but we’re talking about portals here.

Would you?

Why does everyone always argue which of their fan fiction is real? Portals cannot be on moving objects. They vanish when the object moves. Yes, the earth and moon are moving objects, but they clearly function as portal surfaces as seen in the games. Seems to me that as long as the portal is moving along with something that has enough mass, it was stay stable. Too much movement away from that removes the portal.

If you think this conclusion isn't true, then tell me how it really works without claiming it's A or B. Both A and B are demonstratebly incorrect to anyone who has functioning eyeballs.

>>713533883
In this case it is B because the cube IS actually moving and has something acting upon it to impart the momentum it needs to shoot out of the exit portal. Speedy thing went in and speedy thing came out.
The original wants you to believe that stationary thing goes in, speedy thing comes out because hurp a durp a durr

>>713536683
Yes I would suck my own dick.

>>713536664
Which is why I said a hypothetical slinky/accordion tube in which the distance between either end of it has magically been made zero.

>>713537006
Yes, which is why I said “magically still not a portal”

>>713537193
The distance between the entrance and exit of the slinky/accordion tube are zero, we've already established this counts as a portal. It is working precisely like >>713533008 when drop the entrance end over the marble.

>>713534576
kek

Portals moving relative to eachother is not possible as it would cause all objects in the universe to have multiple relative velocities to each other which means physics doesn't work.

>>713536691
>neurotoxin plant

>>713531796 (OP)
This is possible though? Assuming the hula hoop has enough momentum, when it collides with the Earth, it can knock the Earth away from the person. If you use the Earth as the reference frame, it will look like the person flies into the air.

>>713538510
the object in the original scene clearly does not have downward momentum

>>713538012
> we've already established this counts as a portal.
And by we you mean you and the voices in your head.

>>713533293
>portal comes crashing down
>literally plops right out
Afags won

portals can't move

>b-but the laser puzzle

not canon

>>713532678
afag here explain to me

At what point is the momentum or energy transferred to the cube so it flies out of the portal, as B Boys suggest?

>>713541879
In A the portal emerges from the portal quickly but then freezes after the portal has passed around it for no reason.
In B the cube suddenly gains a ton of speed and flies out without any force being imparted on it.
In both cases conservation of momentum is violated and thus both are wrong.

>>713541879
when it goes through the portal
>but portals don't interact with things!
they do, by moving them through space

>>713542146
>without any force being imparted on it
how can you be so retarded?

if B was right then the momentum of chell going through portals at high speeds because of bouncing and shit would tear her limbs apart

>>713542275
What force is being imparted on the cube simply by moving the portal around it?

>>713536683
as long nobody knows.

>>713532678
How is this a debate, it has to be A, it isn't moving. The cube has no inertia.

Oh but it is moving because as it comes out of the blue portal is emerges at a rate. But 100% of the created energy is from the outside of the blue portal. Since a fast moving orange portal, it would seem it would accelerate it right away so it would probably be in between.

Portals break physics so you can't really calculate it.

>>713542161
I mean, A makes sense to me.
>>713542146
But where did they get the energy from?

>>713542774
Both solutions have the energy problem. In A, the cube moves quickly out of the cube and then arbitrarily stops for no reason, while in B, the cube gains a ton of momentum from nowhere and just keeps it. Moving portals are not possible.

>>713532678
what a pathetic last gasp attempt to win by A fags, just swap the letters

>>713542487
>>713542774
the portal doesn't "simply move around it." portals are teleporters, portals move things, that's their whole function. the portals are acting upon anything that moves through them. the velocity of the portal times the mass of the cube equals P, momentum
>>713543578
>gains a ton of momentum from nowhere
from the moving portal moving the cube
>Moving portals are not possible
it's literally the solution to the neurotoxin plant

>>713543578
>Moving portals are not possible.
Portals are not possible. Let's stop this discussion now.

>>713544367
>the portal doesn't "simply move around it." portals are teleporters
They're literally not. Portals are functionally holes in reality creating impossible spaces by linking two areas in a non-euclidian manner. The Hula Hoop analogy has always been correct and Bfags are all retards who assume there's some point at which something traveling through a portal is "teleported" to the other side.

>>713545372
>portals aren't teleporters
>connecting two areas with a hole in reality isn't teleportation
>moving to a distant point instantly isn't teleporting

>>713545720
>connecting two areas with a hole in reality isn't teleportation
If you don't understand the difference between teleportation and a portal, you are legitimately too retarded for this discussion, as most Bfags are. Portals don't move anything, and nothing moving through portals goes "instantly". It's a doorway. You don't call a doorway a teleporter.

Speaking of portals, using the good old portal torturing system where you have a big set of in and out portals set atop each other and have an object or person fall between them: assuming that the object or person is somehow indestructable and the portal is set vertically on 0km Sea Level Earth, at what speed from an object or person infinitely falling through the portals begin to drastically have an effect on their surroundings purely through wind pressure or atmospheric friction?

>>713545372
>Portals are functionally holes in reality creating impossible spaces by linking two areas in a non-euclidian manner.
Yes they bend reality to enable two seperate doorways to behave as a singular passage.

However the result of this is that the position and momentum of an object as judged by space unconnected by the portal will be subject to change on passing through the portal. You seem to have struggled with grasping that second part.

>>713544367
>portals are teleporters,
No, they're holes in space.

>>713547307
I think top part should run faster. bottom oart is changing environment conditions about momentum

>>713546634
The item would hit terminal velocity and then stop speeding up. Its effects on its surroundings would be minimal.

>>713535642
>the truck is clearly the thing moving the log
>SEE THE LOG IS MOVING ON ITS OWN! INANIMATE OBJECTS ARE ALL LIVING CARTOON CHARACTERS!

>>713549770
>downwards piston clearly moving the cube out
>THE CUBE IS MOVING ON ITS OWN

>>713549852
it moves it out because it's going through the portal, but it does not launch it out because the cube had zero momentum coming in

>>713535642
What the man says is right. The log can only touch him with the force of a stationary log (0%) because it is stationary. The log cannot impart the momentum of the truck.

>>713531796 (OP)
>>713532678
Where else would the momentum go?

>>713549770
>>the truck is clearly the thing moving the log
how can it be moving the log if its not touching it and portals don't impart momentum?

>>713542774
>But where did they get the energy from?
from the portal
>that pic
the entrance and exit of the portal are both moving at the same relative velocity, no shit it doesn't impart momentum on the bird

A portal has a front side and a backside.
You can't see the backside because that's covered by the surface you deployed it in.
Consider that the backside of one portal also connects to the backside of the other, and that the only fixed thing are actually the blue and orange borders.
That would solve all problems.

>>713536802
Everything is moving and everything is still depending on your perspective. This is the fundamental thing that Afags have failed to grasp.
Imagine a cube flies into a portal in one direction, and flies out the other portal in the opposite direction (a perfectly normal thing that happens all of the time in the game). That can also be described as a still cube colliding with a moving portal, then flying out of the other portal at high speed. The only difference is perspective. The physics has to be the same for both. Motion is relative. There is no such thing as "still" or "moving", only "still relative to x", or "moving relative to y". Cubes gain and lose speed all of the time relative to various perspectives when they go through portals, that's simply how they work.
To any genuine Afags, forget about the puzzle and just try to understand what it means for motion to be relative, it's one of the most fundamental things to understand to grasp anything about how the world works, and you're lacking it.

>>713531796 (OP)
Isn't it funny how not a single Afriend understands the case for B? There is not one person who understands how B works and still disagrees with it. Really interesting how that works.

>>713531796 (OP)
A is right. Bfags are mouthbreathers and sodomites. I still remember some retard that argued about "le point of reference" as if inertia o gravity was subjective.

>>713542408
No, actually; B only holds that what goes into the portal comes out of the portal, only that and nothing more. The fundamental mistake you people keep making is adding velocity out of nowhere. Portals only translate your relative velocity. The movement in B is already present on the orange side.

>>713541879
Presumably the same point that energy is transferred when you use portals to reverse the direction of a cube, which you do all the time in the game. That also requires a momentum and energy change (double, in fact).

>>713536215
>A is in the spirit of the game
Not even this is true. B makes more sense AND better puzzles.

>>713553782
See >>713547307
OH WHAT'S THAT YOUR SUBJECTIVE MOTIONLESSNESS IS OBJECTivELY MOVEMENT IN ANOTHER FRAME OF REFERENCE

The whole point here is that *you* saying the cube "doesn't move" is subjective. Movement is relative, and when you measure the movement of the cube relative to the portal, it's objectively in motion.

>>713536971
it doesn't feel like getting your dick sucked, it feels like sucking a dick

B is:
>Consistent with all Portal canon, gameplay and cutscenes
>Internally consistent
>Intuitive

B does not:
>Add velocity out of nowhere
>Rely on subjectivity
>Cause a hula hoop to launch people

If you do not get this you do not get what you are arguing against.

>>713531796 (OP)
This is what A-fags who are too low-IQ to understand B, think B is.

>>713551018
The log is anchored into the ground, it can't move from its perspective. But its reference frame itself is in motion.

What would happen to the whole system, the log, the portal, and the truck? If the log can't impart any force to the person, what happens to the truck? Its energy is moving the reference frame that the log is experiencing.

>>713536215
A is not even logically coherent. Also for most of the game, portals don't move so A/B is not addressed. However the end scene of portal 2 with the moon is B.

>>713541879
Kinetic energy is not a substance held by an objects. Kinetic energy is a number we invented to track physical interactions. But that number is only meaningful in space with loops, portals completely invalidate the very concept of energy conservation. Also, consider that portals can increase the potential energy of an object without transferring energy to it, kinetic energy is the same.

>>713541879
Kinetic energy is not a substance held by an objects. Kinetic energy is a number we invented to track physical interactions. But that number is only meaningful in space without multiple paths, portals completely invalidate the very concept of energy conservation. Also, consider that portals can increase the potential energy of an object without transferring energy to it, kinetic energy is the same.

>>713542741
> it isn't moving
Relative to what.

>>713543578
Momentum is a vector. A portal changing the direction of an object creates momentum from nothing. Also, when a portal raises an object it creates potential energy from nothing.

>>713531796 (OP)
Nobody ever thinks of c, aka space time collapses on itself and created a black hole.

>>713545372
I have never seen a hole which can put matter into a state of moving yet somehow not moving. Imagine if the cube was replaced with a 1000 mile long rod. Is it reasonable to observe 1000 miles of rod coming out of the blue portal, then the entire rod instantly stops dead, even parts of the rod 1000 miles away from the portal?

>>713533293
>even cuts out frames
pretty desperate

>>713557986
The rod was never moving, a discontinuity in spacetime was moving around it.

>>713558302
No it wasn't, I can clearly see the portal standing still.

>>713558302
>discontinuity
Isn't the whole point that it's entirely continuous

>>713558302
Ok, so now some bizarre moving space is sticking a 1000 miles out of the portal. That is the exact opposite of a hole. A hole does not do weird things to space thousands of miles away from itself.

>>713532678
B for anyone knows what reference frames are

>>713558564
You're making multiple different straight lines converge in the same place, you're breaking Euclidean geometry in a functionally Euclidean space and that creates a discontinuity in spacetime. The actual path through the portal is continuous, but a small section was cut out and pasted somewhere else in the universe.

>>713558610
A portal is not a hole anyway.

>>713558787
So the portal can cut and paste infinitely beyond it?

Not that that fixes any of the problems with A, mind, because motion is still relative.

>>713535642
you can't portal moving surfaces retard, play the game.

>>713559098
You can. The device just usually automatically fizzles your portals when they start moving, to prevent fucked up things from happening.

You put portals on moving panels in Portal 2 to cut the tubes going to the neurotoxin machine with a laser. Then, the moon is also moving relative to the Earth, and you're perfectly able to put a portal on it, too.

>Afags
>How the magical portal works in the game
>Bfags
>Let's apply high school physics I don't remember or understand to something that doesn't follow the laws of physics

e=mc2
don't you listen to rap

>>713559856
You don't need to invoke any physics to assert B. Basic geometry requires B. A is just straight up incoherent gibberish.

>>713559856
Once again:
>B is entirely consistent with Portal canon, both gameplay and cutscenes
(A isn't, btw)

You've got the second one backwards too; A relies on half-remembered factoids about conservation of momentum without thinking them through. B is grounded in pure logic and can be derived from observation alone.

>>713560127
At this point there are only two kinds of Afags left: those too stupid to get it, and trolls. Neither will admit to being wrong.

>>713559856
Each side thinks the other side thinks like this, because there's no way you end up with A without some misapplied understanding of the conservation of momentum.

>>713560314
>trying too hard to fit in
that's a /b/ fag if I ever saw one

if real life runs on the havok physics engine, a. otherwise, b.

>>713562287
What gave you the impression I was trying to fit in?

>>713561945
This is what would happen, if there was another portal on the wall up there.

Think about it this way:
What is happening to the air molecules as the portal moves downward? They're passing through the portal, too, and they can't all be stacking up at the exit. ("plopping" out.) There must be an air current coming out of the portal.
It's fundamentally different to the hoop, because the air molecules are staying in the same place the whole time in the case of the hoop. But they have to be moving, by definition in the case of the portal, there's no other logical conclusion for what has to be happening to them.

Why would the cube be any different?

>>713559856
>>How the magical portal works in the game
lmao no its not