Thread 713545257

Next enhanced Nightlord announced.

>>713545257 (OP)
aren't all these already available in seamless?

>>713545675
>>713545257 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6rDFF4XlHg

@FBI@ELDENRING@BANDAINAMCO

What a stupid ass game

Watching Barb play it is so funny, it looks so fucking bad

>>713545257 (OP)
is this going to be the same boss with like 1 new move like "enhanced" Adel?

this game is a piece of cake solo. yes, even the evernigger boss

That's a huge Pass from me

>>713545257 (OP)
Are these limited time? Will the current "Enhanced Nightlord" leave when this one comes out? Fucking whack if so.

>>713545257 (OP)
if the game is not live-service, why use live-service tactics to try to keep it alive? they're not even adding new skins or anything to buy with the new hard mode currency

>>713546125
Phase 3 Fulghor and Gnoster are already in the game we know their gimmicks

>>713546593
duh, bamco wants a slice of the monhun pie capcum left on the table

>>713545257 (OP)
Wait, are they just gonna add G rank versions of the bosses? What about actual NEW bosses?

I made a gremlin

>>713547424
They literally have a dlc page confirming new nightlords, theyve had that since before the game even came out

>>713545939
>Watches a balding nintentranny
>thinks he has a worthwhile opinion on games

>>713548127
that's very nice, but you might as well use the biggest sword model in the game, like the Grafted Blade or the Greatsword

>>713548486
both of those swords are pure Str scaling. Might as well use the one that scales a little bit off Int

>>713548486
Eh I like the bloodied version of Royal Greatsword a lot so I used it lol. It's actually a part of a thumbnail I'm making for a youtuber covering this game, she bonks Recluse lol. Vid's gonna release soon.

>>713548127
>>>/r/nightreign

>>713545257 (OP)
Have not played the game. Why do they keep buffing it?

>>713549042
it's cut content already in game files

>>713548127
i hope they take this as an opportunity to allow us to make doll characters in the next game

>>713546593
Because it's their game. I'll try an enhanced boss each thursday with my friends, I don't get what's wrong about it besides wanting to bitch about it. Saw some reddit niggers complaining about le FOMO yesterday. Like, dude. Fuck off already lmao. Maidenless niggers.

>>713549042
They're event quests where you can fight superboss versions of the regular bosses for fun and profit (additional bonus coins for an additional bonus gacha).
Each one lasts a week, and you can still fight the regular versions too.

my randoms can't even get super jaw to 1/4 of his health most of the time

what hope do they have against a super centaur

>>713549638
centaur is easier. also just run them solo

>Party with two magic sluts
>Can pretty much never revive anyone because of either out of mana or simply not having a side arm
Recluseniggers I swear...

>>713549683
I had some trying to revive me with Carian Slicer. This is why the >Revenant wielding colossals meme actually works, cause it's good for reviving too.

>>713549958
Revenant can just summon the skeleton on their corpse not like the summons are doing anything during the Nightlord boss, her claws are designed to rez teammates twice as fast she's the dedicated revive slut. Which makes Guardian all the more useless.

>>713549683
>>713549958
skill issue, i could revive 3 bars with 2 charged r2s as recluse

>>713546604
>we know their gimmicks
What are they?

>>713549683
Recluse needs a serious buff because she is too RNG reliant. I beat the game 100%, all remembrances and the tutorial boss. I can say without a doubt that Recluse is the most underpowered and the most overpowered are Guardian and Ironeye.

>>713550150
centaur has a nuke and a 14 hit wombo combo now and i think 2 other new moves

>>713549638
Centaur is definitely easier. He only enters Super Horse mode halfway through his HP bar and his new moves aren't that strong.

>>713545257 (OP)
The name for that boss is parody tier, someone over at From is taking the piss.

>>713550150
Look at the video he regrows his lost arm, double lightsaber combo and uses it to fire projectiles

Gnoster adds a third bug and becomes Lothric Twins

>>713550150
bug gets a new bug friend that revives the dead ones and takes control of them and it gives them powered up versions of their regular moves

>>713550327
It's a reversal, because he's a noble warrior serving an evil faction and manipulating dark power into sacred light, ie "Nightglow".

>>713550410
These fuckers better have massively reduced HP in phase 1/2 to compensate for that

>>713550207
It'd be nice if there were more purple staves worth using. Feel like every Recluse run requires going hunting for staves, then also going through a mine to get stones for the one white or blue staff that had the only good spells.

>>713550410
>>713550303
God this looks so fucking retarded and tryhard.
They've seriously hit a dead-end with design, now they're pulling this gay anime shit and just reusing old ideas. For what purpose? Gnoster was already a dogshit fight unless you're Ironskill, why add MORE spam to it? And Fulghor was fine, except the RNG AOE spam chains he can go in. Why add a fagass gaysex butterapedahn meteor and a spin to win walk forward and deal damage combo?
It's like they don't understand that if everything is some cringy, flashy anime bullshit, nothing stands out.

>>713552663
It's an optional hard mode for a multiplayer game.

>>713552632
Or simply increase the drop rate of the ones that do exist. Rises would be a lot better if they weren't usually (always?) blues with typically worse spells than fort staves.

>>713550207
Yeah Recluse either melts or gets shit on. Her affinity absorption animation and her 3 charges cast speed are too slow as well. In solo, it's so rarely worth the effort in any serious situation unless you get lucky, since even the speediest ones like the Placidusax-like nuke and the blinkbolt can be interrupted so easily.
Also I swear Carian Slicer is much slower in this game than ER. And since she has zero poise on casting both sorceries and incants until 1 ms before it actually connects (and even then she can still be interrupted), she feels really awkward to play sometimes.

>>713552883
Not a multiplayer game, since it has an advertised solo mode with specific solo balancing.
Even if it were, that somehow means it can't be criticized for being retarded?
Why are from drones like this?
I sometimes really regret spending like 8k hours of my life total in these games since DeS. It's become such a lame circlejerk at this point to be a "fan" of them.

>>713553092
I would just take being able to discard cocktails, some just aren't worth the cast; i think fromsoft assumed fights are still ds1 non chaotic where it would somehow be better than your normal casts

>>713553092
i don't have a problem playing recluse because i know what spells to looks for and where all the staves/seals drop

but i think i lose most games when i do play her. The randoms I get usually can't into dodging and trying to revive them as recluse while avoiding the boss can be difficult

>>713553092
>Also I swear Carian Slicer is much slower in this game than ER.
It felt the same to me, but also Recluse has no dex and typically no cast speed talisman. Don't remember if that's even noticeable on Slicer, but I'd imagine Duchess has less startup on it.

>>713553813
Side-by-side for reference. Duchess does swing faster.

>>713553269
>Not a multiplayer game
You're retarded.

>>713553092
you want to learn the formulas because all of them are situationally useful and vary based on your drops. you can tell a good recluse from a bad one based on what they grab. I try to get a source of fire and lightning damage and rotate those with magic because the lightning-fire-magic explosion is really good.

Wonder if they'll add any more busted relics, I feel like they have to or it'll be too easy to buy out the shop

>>713555592
anyone have the duchess and recluse kissing webm

>>713548127
nice pic, can you make version without taskbar

>>713550207
Amazing how everyone always has a different character for who's underpowered and overpowered.
>Guardian
Lmao

>>713546593
Stop being so whiny you drone. The game is a complete experience already which gives you a satisfying 30-40 hours. They're doing extra by giving us these enhanced bosses.

>>713549638
Adel is unironically the hardest boss in the game. The most annoying is either Augur or the Dragon

who do i play next if I main Ironeye

>>713560007
ironeye

>>713560007
Ironeye.

Still haven't bought the game. When's the deadline for the deluxe edition? I don't want to buy the DLC separately but I'm too poorfaq to buy it now

>>713560007
ironeye

>>713560007
Ironeye

>>713545257 (OP)
How about just release all the content on release? Why do From cock suckers accept this shit?

>>713546798
monhun player here: good. capcom severely needs a fire lit under their ass. as many fires as possible. i hope a chink dev clones it too with success.

>>713550303
zesty gallop

>>713546798
This slop has nothing to do with monhun.
turdsoft is 50 years too young to animate anywhere near the quality capcom can.

>>713553092
The formula spells are very nice. I usually do the Placidusax Nuke, the Blinkbolt with AoE, the forward-charging magic sword and the AOE explosion fire/magic ball. The Placidusax nuke in particular if you pre-fire it and bait them into it just absolutely annihilates.
The ball that tracks an enemy is also useful, but it does very little poise damage and not as much damage as you'd think.
The forward-walking flamethrower melts if you have someone to tank for you, but I play solo 99. percent of the time, so no such luxury.
Just some duos with a mate when we can match free time.
>t. EU vs NA timezones.

>>713546593
Use seamless and fight any enhanced boss at any point you want. Solo or with your friends.
Why the fuck would you possibly let them tell you how and when to play the game?

>>713553515
Yeah, that too, especially if (You) or your teammmate(s) get one of those spells that does X on an action (deluge of star rain, lightning on dodging, holy on guard counters, etc).
It's fucked me over so many times.

>>713548873
>a youtuber covering this game
Kill yourself simp retard

>>713560497
I don't think there is a deadline if the deluxe edition is just a season pass.

>>713560981
zesty anon

>>713561291
>The ball that tracks an enemy is also useful, but it does very little poise damage and not as much damage as you'd think.
They magic one is good when you're basically out of FP, the hit rate allows for decent FP and it hits 3 times for another full cocktail. The magic/fire one less so since then you have fire which is meh. The damage of either is basically irrelevant and not the point of them.
I hate the fire breath, it leaves you far too vulnerable.

>>713561586
>do so much damage I'm now the target forever
>have lightning dodge
>keep drawing lighting and getting free bloodhound steps for more lightning and impossible to catch
It can get pretty silly sometimes.

>>713550207
lmao, all you need is a smithing stone 2 and levels.
You can pebble everything to death at the absolute worst.

>>713562609
i even go forward is that pebble is the absolute best spell for solo
>fast (won't lock you in animation for long)
>low fp cost (helps you maintain dps)
>does good damage on +2 staff

>>713561291
Lightningrod and gravity are both amazing nukes, but I feel like most of the time solo I'll never see those unless I run Night of the Lord, and dicking around to set them up is usually only better than spamming pebble/comet/slicer/rancor if it's leading into a multi-boss night boss or evergaol, or if I have no FP to work with.
I think in a solo context magic+fire (strong vs slow-moving fatties, gives multiple fire residue, good rally synergy) and magic+elec (decent damage and crowd clear, elec residue) are the best, since past the initial residue you never need to deviate from spamming Stars of Ruin or w/e, and you'll usually get more payoff than pure magic.

>>713560981
and yet it doesn't even reach a fraction of that ancestor spirit zest.

>>713562716
The real deal breaker is how it's good for Libra while a bunch of the other "good" spells have serious problems in that fight. Whether it's cast time, cost, forced stationary castingl, range or damage.

They have to add PVP with the battle royale setting. Imagine if the Day 2 boss was a PVP slugfest against another team. KINO.

I’m playing with my bf but he made me drop my rivers of blood to him, the best weapon I had so early in the run. he was playing executor and I was wylder. should I break up with him

>>713560007
iron deficiency eye

>>713564198
Yes, because he was playing Executor.

>>713557974
That anon is just retarded. Guardian is clearly the weakest out of the entire cast. Recluse and anyone who can use magic well, so this includes duchess and doll, are S tier. You don't need to find a rare staff just anything with crystal burst which drops incredibly common. You don't even need to smithing stone 2 upgrade it, but it obviously helps.

>>713562995
it would be fun for one nightlord, but I feel like that would get old if it were a night 2 boss.
maybe spear of the church 2.0 where the invader has some backup and perks.

>>713560007
Haha funny meme, but for real if you suck play raider. His health is so large you will never die. If you are decent pick up recluse to feel what actually doing damage is like. For an in between learn wylder for great damage but not quite recluse tier.

>>713562995
>three executors ult
>just roar the other team to death from a distance

>>713561006
Wilds playerbase didn't vanish into the void. It's a 1:1 transfer to nightreign. Fromsoft will carry the banner of mon hun from here on out. Imagine if fromsoft did a proper monhun game. It would he over for capcom forever.

>>713564783
>three revenants ult
>40ish seconds of unkillable ranged kamikaze with summons

>>713564783
>>713565086
The actual meta would be Ironeyes skullfucking everyone, and Guardian being used specifically to counter Ironeye.

>>713561429
>Why the fuck would you possibly let them tell you how and when to play the game?
ask console players

>>713557974
I'd say worst solo is Recluse, worst coop likely Guardian
Solo Recluse is still strong with good drop luck, but I'd rather Restage sorceries with Duchess and switch to dex weapons in the scenarios where Recluse would choose cocktail over starlight shards.

>>713560007
ironeye

>>713549638
centaur isn't anywhere near as bad

>>713549491
>>713558159
Why are Fromdrones so sensitive?

>>713566854
you fucking bastard. how dare you be disrespectful against fromsoftware the only AAA developer still making good games where you can literally be Guts from Berserk who's brand I got a tattoo of

>>713552663
>>713553269
>popular thing bad
yeah we know you have no personality

>>713553269
>Not a multiplayer game
I'm sorry you don't have friends to play with

I bought the game last week and still havent played it, maybe this Friday

>>713546593
>we get the benefits of live service without the downsides like abusive mtx
>this retard complains

>>713546593
>I get more content for free this is terrible

>>713567393
Illiterate-kun...

>>713567465
This i hate being forced to play VIDEO GAMES

>>713549638
>my randoms die in the storm attack
>I get grabbed
>faggot random sees that and leaves the game
>I live through it cause I stacked bleed and physical resistance throughout the match
>I get the other random back up
>we beat the boss

>>713545257 (OP)
>tfw randoms are better than my friends

>>713545257 (OP)
I want new bosses and nightfarers already

is the sovereign shop just gonna be the same inventory ?
man the customization in this game just doesn't hit, everything is so weak

>>713569367
there's like 4 good relics in there (the stonesword key being the most notable), and you can buy shifting earths that's about it. some of the new chalises are literally just colorswaps of the ones you already have, and I don't think using them to buy skin is worth it since you'll be selling 90% of your relics anyway

>Play Executor
>Get Rivers of Meme and stack FP reduction weapons
>Have fun
Simple ASS.
Also Black Knife is probably the safest way to kill any boss, just get starlight shards and you'll do as much work as the Ironeye while being inherently a melee class.

fp is stored in the chest

>>713567393
>>713567465
the content is already in the game though, but they're drip feeding it to the players when they could just "release" it in one go. again, they're treating the game as live-service when they claimed that it isn't one.

>>713569739
>has less FP than flatty Revenant

>recluse can regenerate FP
>new relic from the hard mode shop almost doubles her FP bar anyways just for collecting staves and opening rises, something every recluse already does
>revenant cannot regenerate FP
>gets literally nothing

you don't need that with starlight shards

>>713569919
no one cares but you, nigger.
cry moar.

>>713570392
>get 6 shards in the overworld
>spend my smithing stone to upgrade something or give it to a teammate if I don't need it
>buy 2 more
revenant has infinite fp

>>713569919
I like how you guys think you're so smart yet always ignore how releasing everything at once is impractical because it will massively splits the available userbase.

>>713570802
it would also kill the userbase, they dropped these new bosses right around the time it took most people to beat all the normal bosses

>>713570802
they'd complain about them splitting the playerbase instead of a funneling drip feed in that case

>>713571013
>my negative review currently has 20 clown reacts
thanks for the free steam points fanboys
still had fun in the friendslop game doe

>>713550207
>fight empowered jaw as recluse
>laser them to death with comet azur, a well timed ultimate can delete over half of his health, munch on shards when not under ultimate debuff
>kill it without breaking much of a sweat
this has happened for the past 4 or 5 times ive fought him, its really that easy, I don't know how people think recluse is bad when she everything a cakewalk

>>713570254
>he doesn't know
"flat" women actually have infinite mass BEHIND the chest you see, idiot.

>>713570802
>>713570997
>>713571013
>No, you can't just give people one large chunk of content to play through, you have to dripfeed it to us!
Why are you bots pretending to be people?

>>713549638
Adel's shockwaves are all around him. Centaur's shockwaves are only in front of him. He's easier.

>>713570392
Revanent can revive her teammates and Recluse can't. Revanent can distract enemies with summons.
This is the difference.

>>713550207
I did the same, 100%, all remembrances, she is probably the most OP character simply because some sorceries are busted, I don't even have the specific relics for stuff like Crystalian Sorceries and they are still better than just about every incantation even if the boss is weak to lightning/holy, even the good incants are rare since FROM decided to put rejection on over half of them. It sucks because I want to take advantage of her cocktail system but its a DPS loss most of the time unless you get a god combo. Still its just better to pop starlight shards during the final boss and even if you get a comp that is giving you the elements you want to absorb.

>>713557974
It does seem like most people have classes they are good with/bad with, for me Ironeye is like my worst character even though I know objectively he is good.

>>713571374
It's all dependent on staff RNG and your teammates not being retards to the tornado. Sometimes you end a run Rancorcall and others you're stuck with Frozen Lightning Spear.

>fighting augr as Wylder
I want to fucking die. Who thought this garbage was a good idea?

>>713572712
Make your webms smaller so we're not looking at a fullscreen mess of pixels.

Playing with my friends is harder than playing solo, help

>Practicing Fulghor in prep for his Everdark form
>Wylder
>Get a Lightning Lordsworn Knight's Greatsword
>Besides this fuckugly sword's design it's a solid choice
>Pick up a Lightning Banished Knight's Greatsword
>Upgrade both
>They have the same AR
>It annoys the fuck out of me until I reach the Spirit Shelter
>Then I realize I can just dual wield them
>Proceed to rend Fulghor a new asshole

>>713573076
It is actually surprising how good most randoms are. I only play with randoms and 9 times out of ten we reach the third day and do decent against the boss. Most people can also handle themselves against more annoying enemies and bosses.
Except for the Ball Buster who is a massive pub stomper.

>>713571863
Unfortunately thos is just how modern slaves think. They've been abused into good little piggies.

>>713573134
>Then I realize I can just dual wield them
I did that already in my first run.
How is that not the go-to playstyle for any of the melee classes except bird?
>Wylder
Dual greatswords
>Duchess
Dual daggers
>Raider
Dual bonk
>Executor
Dual katanas

>>713573295
Yeah when you actually get people who play the game. I needed to kill a nightlord to open more journal entries for Dutches and queued for the dog and lo and behold, I get two matches in a row with people who seemingly are playing for the first time ever. Can't carry their asses alone, don't want to.

>>713573383
>keeping matchmaking quick is abuse and slavery
Sounds like you're projecting.

>>713573479
Duchess is more of DEX/INT build, daggers are awful even with her remembrances, you should be playing her as a Cold Katana user

>>713573479
Duchess is better with a staff in the offhand. Executor is arguably better 2handing

>>713545257 (OP)
Shit game that should ban these threads. Go to /shit/ or something

>>713573479
Dual wielding is a meme and only good for spamming brain dead jump attacks with colossal weapons. The movesets are all ass.

>>713550410
breh

>>713573658
>>713573697
Both wrong.
Duchess can shred with dual daggers, rapiers, even straight swords. Katanas are good as well but not required. Also her higher FP can be used for weapon art spam instead of spells, Blade of Death and Blade of Gold especially. But it depends on the buffs you get.

Executor bleed proc is just faster with dual wielding and two-handing is not much different from one-handing in terms of damage without relevant buffs.

>>713573845
>The movesets are all ass
That just shows you never used them beyond spamming brain dead jump attacks with colossal weapons.

>>713573479
>wylder
>eat silver chicken feet, get a legendary drop, be able to spam weapon art on 90% of them and melt shit

>>713574123
It's almost like duchess is good at more than one thing. Dual katanas have a shit moveset that eats too much stamina

>>713574413
>wylder
>be able to spam weapon art
like 3 or 4 times before fp are empty

>>713574508
>successive attacks for FP buff
>critical hits for FP buff
>fucking guarding for FP buff
Retardo.

>>713574508
>hit one tower
>inventory filled with starlight sharts
merchants on field also sell them for 1.2k runes. it's practically free.

>>713574596
the 'taking damage restores fp' passive is also good.

>>713545939
>>713546346
>>713552663
Holy mother of sour grapes, fagman!

>>713574627
Seriously, complaining about lacking FP on fucking Wylder shows how retarded you have to be.

FP on any character shouldn't really be a problem. Just take two seconds out of your speedrunning to run over the crates and open the chests in the areas you visit and look for starlight shards, remember that starlight shards are blue rarity, so you can ignore all white drops. Then buy 2 from the shopkeep in day one/two, then 2 at day 3. Boom, more FP than you can realistically use up.

>never really played any mage class cause i can't be assed to read up the different spells
for me its raider, ironeye and wylder. I'm stuck on the wylder quest part where im supposed to go to the city, i guess this is a solo thing

>>713574993
>buy some Starlight Shards for our Revenant
>she uses the "My Beloved" prattling pate
I finally get it...

>>713573479
Wylder can work with either dual wielding or 2handing a greatsword.
Duchess should be dual wielding, it's a faster attack chain for triggering auto-Reprise.
Raider should absolutely be dual wielding because his regular moveset sucks ass.
Executor has very low stamina so dual wielding is both slow and inefficient. Just 2hand a katana.

>>713572712
>webm
I'm sorry - explain how you did 60% of the bosses health in one hit?

the pizza cutter here is pretty good
there are a lot of poise passives so you can just spam the weapon art safely

>>713572895
You can still be useful - popping his jellyfish and tentacles helps damage the boss. Also grappling to his head when he's low and smacking him with a fire greatsword can stagger him in just a few hits.

>>713573479
>How is that not the go-to playstyle for any of the melee classes except bird?
I somewhat prefer having a blocking option in cases I'm not confidant I can dodge-roll specific attacks, hence I 2H for Wylder and Raider.
I don't play any other classes.

why did they make the weapons/spells here more fun than the ones you use in elden ring?

>>713576039
It's pretty good at ressing too

>>713573479
Most of the strong sorceries don't feel particularly special compared to Raider jump L1, Wylder nukes, Ironeye's bullshit, or Executor piling status then mashing through attacks in his fursuit in a solo context. Most of those characters can afford to get hit, Ironeye's typically doing less committal attacks with even better defensive tools than Recluse's amazing dodge, and they all stagger more often.
I think Recluse is the most fun solo character because she has the most variance in her gameplan, but that hot-or-cold nature combined with being made of paper makes her the "worst", even if she's still strong. Unless your preferred context is clear time over consistency; Guardian feels difficult to lose with, but he's the only character I've seen Everdark's phase change attack twice with after multiple clears on every character. Everyone else feels about the same.

>>713572712
Most of the strong sorceries don't feel particularly special compared to Raider jump L1, Wylder nukes, Ironeye's bullshit, or Executor piling status then mashing through attacks in his fursuit in a solo context. Most of those characters can afford to get hit, Ironeye's typically doing less committal attacks with even better defensive tools than Recluse's amazing dodge, and they all stagger more often.
I think Recluse is the most fun solo character because she has the most variance in her gameplan, but that hot-or-cold nature combined with being made of paper makes her the "worst", even if she's still strong. Unless your preferred context is clear time over consistency; Guardian feels difficult to lose with, but he's the only character I've seen Everdark's phase change attack twice with after multiple clears on every character. Everyone else feels about the same.

>>713576669
they're the same as in ER, only a few weapons got some extra shit added to them. I think they feel fun because you don't have to spend hours and hours playing to get a good mage/archer/whatever build going like in ER, in Nightreign you can do it in minutes.

>Fighting BBH as Wylder
>Parrying him
>If anyone else joins my rhythm gets fucked up cause he switches targets and bodies them
>Can't revive them cause then he bodies me
>So just have to keep dancing
>Eventually get two people from the entrance to the basement watching me fight BBH alone
Don't even want your help. Go fight the other things in the castle, I'll call you when it's done.

>>713549638
The game has skill based match making, sorry you aren't good enough to get a good team.

>>713575313
That was a man, by the way.

>>713549491
>maidenless
Why are you calling people reddit niggers when you talk just like them?

>Play PS4 version on PS5 for solid framerate
>The playerbase is so fucking ass that of the 15 runs on ES Adel, I've only managed to get 2 wins
I'm about to the take solo pill after 60h of this game, I swear to fucking god.

Why Wylder is such big siscon?

>>713579615
his lore is that his entire tribe was massacred and that hes the only one left, he got so good at avoiding death that it feeds into his gameplay with his passive
he just wants any connection he can get and would do anything to see her survive
also read the nigtht aspects relic description

Horse man is very fun as Executor because he is pretty easy to parry and has loads of shockwaves and AoE's that are always hilarious to parry.
>Huge ass shockwave of dirt and rocks
>Parry it with a sword

>>713579824
he is fun because its the only boss that punishes range shitters and rewards close melee dancing

>>713572712
>>713576004
I was using that spell on a run I finished 5 minutes ago. is this some solo vs coop difference? because I had a lot of sorcery boots and it did like 5% of the boss's health even fully charged what the fuck. is there some fundamental part of this game I don't understand?? I was level 12 but from I heard there isn't a huge difference between 12 and 15

>>713576004
Solo mode is literal Easy Mode, Anon. The boss's scale considerably with every additional player added to the game to absurd degrees.

>>713571374
I haven't seen comet azur across any of my runs. I was starting to think it wasn't in the game. are all the er sorceries in? if so damn my luck is fucking terrible. haven't seen a lot of them.

>>713576004
The webm was cut anon

>>713580431
All the base game sorceries are in, and it's a fixed slot on Azur's Staff so it's one of the "easy" sorceries to roll I've only had a reasonable setup with it once in 120 hours, and it was still worse than using the FP on something else

I'm never going back to Elden Ring after this game. What were they actually thinking with some of the enemy designs in the base game? Specifically, the Gargoyle that never stops moving, has the hitbox the size of an ant, and has a million HP?

I hate fallingstar beasts

every game after this one should have grapple hook as a combat mechanic

>>713580994
Apparently the Guardian can stun-lock them out of their charge with a well-timed guard.

>>713581059
>every game after this one should have grapple hook as a combat mechanic
Said that a few times myself. Fromsoft need to learn a lot from NR - more than they did from ER. ER is a success in its own right, but NR I daresay is more "fun". Better movement, better abilities/passives, better leveling, better combat encounters. I'd be keen for a mainline game with a wicked cast of pre-set characters like the Nightfarers.

>>713581169
>>713581059
>new audience has bad taste
you'll get your way and then be replaced by the next horde

>>713581496
>you'll get your way and then be replaced by the next horde
I'm not sure what is meant by this?
Do you think that a studio making games different from games they've made before is some kind of immoral act? Fromsoft has the size and scope to make 2-3 mainline games at a time now. I don't doubt there'll be another dark fantasy sword and shield action RPG in their very near future, but they'll also do experimental stuff like Nightreign and Duskbloods (and who could forget Deracine?) while they're at it.

>>713581801
>(and who could forget Deracine?)
marketing shill

>>713546593
the replies to this really prove that fromdrones are subhuman

>>713581856
I was being tongue in cheek as Deracine was a rather forgettable game, but such sarcasm is lost on /v/.

>>713581064
It's tru
t. Birb Pro™

>>713581856
>>713581967
>marketing shill
Also, I wish I was getting paid for this crap. Although I am at work so in a roundabout way I am?

>>713553269
>I regret playing games that are now popular
Peal /v/

>>713571863
>free content bad
We known you're a contrarian.

>>713580027
5% of the bosses health is still decent, ideally it should be around that with out a charge. My inv in this run was full of cast speed/sorc boost + decent randos

>>713545257 (OP)
I did the new hardmode maw boss tonight. He is pretty easy, honestly. Like he jumps around and attacks like a sperg but I only lost to him once then proceeded to beat him 4 times in a row on different characters.

this thread is only for BEASTS

>>713584601
>down to 2% hp in 4 seconds

>>713584601
don't mess with me when im heckin angry...i will bark...

>>713550207
Recluse is actually good Guardian feels like shit to play. Yeah Recluse can get fucked over by RNG but unless you have ape IQ, cocktail sucking shouldn’t be an issue.

>>713545257 (OP)
Cant wait for my love lulu (havent watched her in 4 years) to play it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01SRgTiJBw0

>>713564198
>Fags and Dykes, always in abusive power tripping relationships
tale as old as time

>>713545786
damn look a those 30s of rolling before an opening

third phase is kino, makes fulghor almost reach libra's based tier.

>>713545257 (OP)
did they add duos mode next? I'm waiting to play it with my buddy

>>713569572
Ironeye doesn't do much damage compared to melee. It isn't even close.

>>713573658
Optimal duchess is a staff user because her magic is higher than her dex and spells are busted.

If you are still not running Evergaol Prisoner relic you are unironically retarded and griefing yourself and your team.

>>713587792
Our team is good enough to win without it.

>>713545257 (OP)
Just bought the game yesterday and played like 4 matches with randoms, won 2 (probably got carried)
I’m having a blast so far despite having souls fatigue and never finishing elden drank, just goes to show that Miyahacki have been resting on his laurels for way way too long
Wylder 4lyf

>>713587792
>I NEED this rng relic damage that people might not have in order to win
just play solo if you need crutches

>>713574123
lmao2kat executor actually has a worthwhile moveset that isn't a time waste. fucking who asked for that gay dash L1 or the R2 cartwheel kick

>>713587735
Nah, optimal duchess is spamming some int-based weapon arts because those are usually way more FP-efficient than spells.
Staves are only for nightlords and only when your pockets are full of shards.

>>713574708
>recluse on her way to birth another realm shattering monster

>>713587442
There's duo scaling, but no actual duo mode. Honestly it's the biggest oversight in the game, it's ridiculous. "We never considered duos" it's just completely absurd.

>>713588074
>>713587442
There is no duo scaling, if someone leaves your team you are still dealing with a trio scaled boss. You can see exact stats here.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1meXOw4jR1hh7YXVMeijWwSDIXnCw6Tk4hTZPq2qvyK4/edit?gid=1606196296#gid=1606196296

Were knives this good in actual Elden Ring? The purple knives shred HP bars even with 1h R1s. The Blade of Calling and Black Knife have very good ashes.

>>713588074
seamless co-op mod says scaling options are coming in next version

>>713588148
Oh...
Well that makes the other guy and I feel like a boss.

>>713588164
In ER a few were really good, Reduvia, Black Knife, Calling, Glintstone Kris, and Erdsteel Dagger uncharged R2 spam.

>>713588074
>>713588148
>>713588170
Yeah, Duos are due out soon-ish apparently. Which is good since I have two pals who play this game but rarely are all 3 of us free at the same time.

>>713588074
They didn't say "we never considered duos", they said that three people squads worked the best for the balance.

>>713588148
It doesn't scale mid boss but there is definitely scaling

>>713545257 (OP)
Show those results, lads. all random, all everdark adel

>>713572712
Should I ever charge spells as Recluse?

>>713587956
>might not have in order to win
shitter exposed this guy did not beat super Adel

>>713590152
Only time it's worth when you notice the boss would dodge the spell so you hold onto it until it stays still for a moment, otherwise the extra time spent charging is not worth the added damage

>>713590219
Everdark Adel is piss easy. Give me Everdark Fulghor.

>>713592167
i hate fulghor, i've beaten him dozen times or so but i have still no idea what am i supposed to do when he flails his poison arm in his second phase

>>713592376
Roll towards him.

>>713592376
You can jump his big slams and shockwaves, makes it a lot easier.

so is it worth/viable for singleplayer or na? i don't have a friend who will play with me

>>713594556
it's viable, but playing random queue's can be fun as well, dpeending on your luck
then there's the elden ring general too

>>713594556
If you mean strictly for solo play then probably not.
But it's still good with randoms.

>>713545257 (OP)
So is this gonna come with new relics and skins? Or is it just gonna give us more currency for the shop that most people have already emptied? The first enhanced boss was super fun but if they dont start pumping out a lot of unshockable that make me want to keep playing I will do this boss exactly 1 time and quit again.

>>713594556
If you really enjoyed ER and drained it of all of its content you could get a little bit of enjoyment out of SP nightreign, until you beat all the bosses. then it's over. The grind is slower and the bosses are less enjoyable unless you're a rollmonkey or raider.

>>713595624
its probably just gonna add a single new relic like super adel did however i would really like for the sovereign rune shop to change with every super boss
i don't think skins are coming any time soon

>>713595624
I wouldn’t bet on that happening until the DLC later this year.

>>713595756
>>713595780
They better be working on dropping AT LEAST 10 new skins for each character by/in the dlc since they must know that is the ONLY thing that will keep people playing even a little bit after they beat all the bosses

>faggot runs off to the top of the mountain
>skips the single reward troll on the way in
>rushes reward at top
>circle starts closing
>drops down and fights the double troll
>me and raider stay and destroy the ice dragon in seconds before taking out every reward enemy on the way round and down
>faggot leaves after dying to double troll
>easy Caligo kill after
We were level 15 before touching the mountain and this fag decides to sprint and avoid all but one shitty reward.
People just don't know what's worth klilling on the mountain besides dragon/dragon/double troll. And they wonder why the mountain is shit.

>>713596213
He probably just needed the cheevo

>>713596552
I don't particularly care about the rush to the top, we did too. It was the immediate drop to a shit fight for nothing. The dying after was hilarious. The leaving was just pathetic.

>>713545257 (OP)
That's cool and all, but where the FUCK is the duo mode? I'm still waiting for that to drop to start playing with a friend.

>>713596690
Have you tried making more friends?

>>713546125
You don't even play the game.

>>713596741
No.

>>713596690
What’s the problem with playing with your friend and a 3rd random exactly? You and your friend are going to communicate exactly the same with or without the 3rd person

>Stressed out and just wanna get Ironeye's final remembrance done, the last remembrance I still have to do
>Have a decent holy bow and a good grasp of how to use the character
>Have the Favor of Noklateo as insurance
>Go into the Heolstor fight, my stress causes me to fuck up obvious dodges
>Me and a Wylder wind up 3-barred on the ground while the remaining Revenant tries desperately to survive
>Eventually she fucks up a dodge and dies, which triggers the Favor and we all revive
>Wylder and I immediately dump our ults into Heolstor, then body the fucker
Wew, finally. Now I can say I know how to play all the characters. I generally avoid playing Raider though, he's way too unga for my technical brain to be satisfied with.

>>713597064
That's what I do. And yes, no problems with that. Still better than going with two randoms.

>>713597064
It just seems way more fun to experiment and learn the game with just the two of us, instead of having a third guy sprinting around, pinging and showing all the secrets and meta strategies

>Actually enjoy playing Guardian.
>The damage reflect means I can just stand over bodies, even at 3 downs, and block attacks to get people up pretty quickly even if ult isn't active.
>+6 Vigor is like 2 more levels worth of HP as well
Anyone else been lucky with their stones to have layouts they feel is near perfect?

>>713598235
you severely overestimate the power of randoms.

>>713595863
You'll get 2 new skins per character at best via the DLC. And we're chances are only going to get 2 more characters at best as well.

Executor is too fun when it works

>>713599387
Wait, guard counter effects work with the parry being treated as a guard from the skill? Well shit.

>>713599580
L1 is guard with any weapon, Suncatcher just has infinite guard boost when perfect guarded. So yes, guard counters work with it too.

>>713583745
Now do it with a team of 3 with randoms.

>>713599580
The "parry" isn't a parry, it's classified as a deflect, that's why you can guard counter after it
Which in the games logic means it synergizes with "guard' abilities but not "parry" abilities, stuff like healing/art/aggro on block

>>713590146
People that say they sweep more than 50% winrate against ES Adel with random are flat out lying and will never show proof.

>>713599387
>Do virtually no damage or contribute anything of worth when Sunbreaker comes out
Typical Exscutor gameplay.

>>713595624
honestly be happy that the skins are for free, they could charge you $20 like Blizzard does, and they would have enough people eat that up.

>>713601556
>what is stance damage (guard counters build it up faster than jump attacks)
>what is keeping the enemy distracted so your two fragile cuties can mash their bumpers

>>713595624
>no life NEET out of stuff to do
Good. Games shouldn't cater to your ilk. The fact the Everdark varients are only a week long is bad enough for people with actual responsibilities.

>>713601773
>The fact the Everdark varients are only a week long is bad enough for people with actual responsibilities.

You literally have an entire week time anon. I get that it can be annoying as wagie because one run is 30-40 minutes but come on.

>>713576156
>I don't play any other classes.
Cringe.

>>713601556
>Take no damage
>Stance break him after one combo
>Enemy dies in one combo
Typical brainlet, can only see damage numbers.

>>713595624
>most people have already emptied
Delusional.

>11 hours till the gaping jaw go away
>haven't beat him yet
it's over. I get to wait another 8 weeks

>They're doing Diablo seasons
Welp, defs not playing this.

>>713546125
He'll be like SotE Radahn who had Pontiff Sulyvahn's moves. Bet on whose moveset will Fulghor have?

>>713546593
they aren't live-service tactics, it's just an excuse to finish this unfinished (as usual) fromsoft game.
>b-but le full experience makes it a finished game
cope harder fromdrone

>>713604379
>finish
you wish

>>713602303
Normal people usually only get a few hours of free time a night, and the way randoms are in this game, it's likely a few hours of failures.

>>713545257 (OP)
how do people still care about this old game?

>>713603358
You can take no damage with normal dodge rolls, which the game is completely balanced around.

Your teammates stance broke him; your contribution wasn't any different than 2handing a Katana while missing out on damage + bleed procs

Your "one combo" is again ignoring the teammates dumpsters him.

>>713606510
shut up kitten, get protected

>>713606495
just because 99% of the assets are reused doesn't mean it's not a new game

>>713606510
The teammates could "dumpster" him because he was skillfully kept in place by the absolute PARRYCHAD
If he rolled instead he wouldn't have gotten those guard counters which again, do a massive amount of stance damage and why the crucible knight took the knee so fast, and crucible knight would be far less predictably moving around to track a rolling target
In conclusion: seethe guardian chud

>>713558332
Auger is easy if you have any AoE. Quick, too. It’s a knowledge check boss.

>>713552663
Nightreign was made for freaks who do challenge runs so the extra content is gonna cater to said freaks.

>>713606510
you aren't the alpha, pup

>>713606937
Raider does this passively by simply jumping before attacking, and doesn't get his DPS cut down to a 1/4th whike doing it, meaning he can actually MAINTAIN aggro while distracting the enemy.

Executor is fun rule of cool and my personal favorite, but is clearly a low tier character in desperate need of a buff. Literally any other character except Guardian or Revanent is better than him.

>>713595863
I ran out of stuff to farm for around hour 60, and I’m past 100 now. Sounds like a you-problem.

>>713606510
>Your teammates stance broke him
Literally doesn't even know what the deflects does. Stop posting before you further embarrass yourself.

>>713596213
Everything on the mountain is worth killing if you can fit it in. Even the crows and demihuman swordsman have high odds of dropping legendaries. I believe the dragon fighting the troll is guaranteed to drop anti-dragon for adel and caligo.

I got filtered by the hard mode gapping jaws, lads.
i dont want to play anymore...

>>713606359
Normal people don't belong here.

>>713607694
they can also drop improved frostbite resistance for caligo and borealis

>>713607712
which class did you use?

>>713607134
I think ur just bad sis, probably cus you arent getting your guard counters in

>>713561006
>Quality
Capcom hasn't made a good game in a decade retard

>>713607816
>>713607694
Yeah, the dragon drops anti-dragon and everything else drops frostbite resistance. It's kinda shitty to waste so many passives to kill one boss though (if your nightlord isn't caligo).

>>713607890
raider and revenant

Got a relic that boosts invisibility sorceries but I never once found a staff with any invisibility.

>>713607960
try wylder, you can use your ultimate to stun him when he does the big aoe attack

>>713608057
oh shit, i'll try it tonight when my group plays

>>713574708
This should end by panning to the left to show a flustered and aroused Revenant watching from behind a bookshelf.

>>713607134
Not being raider tier does not make you low tier, it's probably the best character in the game

>>713607712
>Solo Ironeye with the following relics
>His Edge of Order remembrance relic
>Any relic with +1 Ironeye character skill use
>Any relic with defeating evergaol prisoners increases attack power
Upgrade you starting bow to purple, prioritize clearing evergaols and world bosses, you should get to level 14 or 15 and do absurd damage. And you shouldnt get hit much because of his skill i-frames. If you don't have an evergaol relic try to get +2 Physical damage or +2 Holy damage for your third relic slot. Or even a skill cooldown reduction relic if you don't have those.

I have not lost a single run against gigadel using this strategy. With the right relics, solo Ironeye is this game's easymode.

>>713607712
If you find the Black Knife then just drop everything and amass starlight shards and spam your ash of war.

>>713607134
revanent spamming wrath bell is way better than executors entire moveset

>>713608385
I actually played with a bell executor once
I suppose it's something to do after he's procced all his statuses...

>>713607672
I know exactly what it does. Here's a hint: the boss kneeling down means fuckall to the teammates who are attacking his back regardless. It's only good for the person who he is aggroing, but since Sunbreaker is negative DPS to your normal weapon, the player would have been better off using his starting katana without any smithing stones.

>>713607960
>>713608157
Stop chasing him he runs away on purpose to make you waste stamina, then you get bitten or he slams the ground because you can't roll or jump. The fact he still does that move in phase 3 by running outside the tornado only to lunge back at you is intentional you're not going to chase him there why do it in phases 1/2?

The other tip is when he stomps the ground it means the tornado has disappeared you can now hyper sprint away. He cannot have a tornado and stomp AOE at the same time.

>>713607894
You simply need to look at the video posted as proof, Anon. Your headcannon projection can't undo the fact that even with the skeleton buff to guard Counters, it still did piss damage compared to the other player's basic R1 spam.

>>713608893
honestly thanks for the advice anon, when I play raider I do chase a lot and I think it's what gets me fucked most of the time.
I need to stop treating fights like the older games and be more patient with my dmg openings.
I'm too use to just massively overwhelming bosses with raw brute str in the older games

I thought all the fanart of Revenant with colossal weapons were all a meme. Her Str scaling is just C.
But then I saw that her grand relic at the signboard granted her stronger colossal weapons.

What? Am I misunderstanding something?

>>713577823
>The game has skill based match making
Does it actually?

>>713607134
>Raider does this passively by simply jumping before attacking
Every single jumpnigger I've seen has eaten shit against crucible knights because they all watch youtube solo runs and think they can just act like a chimp and win. Stay in solo with your baby stagger meters.

>>713609558
Does it? I thought her signboard relic was something like starting starlight shards and shared items or something.

>>713608934
And yet...the monster kept attacking the executor
curious...

>>713609558
missing out on true power, lad.

>>713606510
Spells do fuckall stance damage I think it's fair to say the executor did his fair share of the work

>>713609984
Because it died before it could shift aggro by characters that are actually strong. Jesus Anon, keep up.

>>713610067
He stood there and basically did nothing, Anon. The stance break didn't even matter in that fight, either.

What is it about samuraiCHADS that inspires such envy?

>>713562995
Nah, bring back Mirror Knight with his gimmick properly implemented

>>713610232
It mattered in keeping the enemy still so the cuties didn't get one shot by a stray sword swing
I think you should stop playing characters you seemingly hate, or maybe you are just the type to get off on defending your choices as unredeemable F tier just because they aren't the best

>>713610309
>pointing out clear issues with a character's kit is envy
I main Executor for rule of cool alone, but denying reality doesn't change it.

i keep using revenant even though i'm a dude
what does this mean?

>>713545257 (OP)
>Literally live service slop

Kill all nightniggers

>>713610454
people who make retarded webms like that on simple easy trash mobs are usually retarded, no one will convince him otherwise he is forever set in his retardation.

>>713610502
Based lolichad

>>713545257 (OP)
Me and my team of r-words couldn’t even defeat the non-enhanced horseman this morning :(

>>713608010
invisibility proc from frostbite (weapon art) is kinda nice desu. damage boost + the boss can’t see you

>>713610454
>character has a kit that serves as both defensive and offensive option at the same time and can be literally invincible 100% of the time
>UHH THAT'S CLEARLY AN ISSUE BECAUSE....UHHH BECAUSE ANOTHER CHARACTER EXISTS THAT FACETANKS ONE HIT EVERY 20 SECONDS AND HAS TO ROLL OUT OF THE WAY ALL THE OTHER TIMES

>>713610887
>the ol retard double down
holy moly the mad man pulled it off what a beautiful display of the retard double down!

>>713590146
I'm not good enough to carry my friends...

executor is bad but he's good at surviving and his ult is a free party revive
kinda the same issues as guardian really, he doesn't do anything unless his team sucks

>>713610887
Except it's all defense with zero offense, and the defense can be just as easily pulled off by any character by simply dodge rolling towards the boss.

shouldi buy this game

>>713611347
no
don't be a retard like us and buy this garbage

>>713608010
Night shard/comet/mist might count, they're the same school

>>713611085
>stagger damage isn't offense
It's the most valuable form of damage. Especially in multiplayer. Executor does it for free with no risk.

so this is like Risk of Rain 2 but elden ring?

>>713611037
This was my experience too. They aren't very good and its hard to do it yourself with 3 player scaling. One friend is not terrible but the other is just a net drain on the team. Always going down to 3 bars. Finally got a win by convincing them to do the evergaolmaxxing strat but even then the one guy was still down for half the fight.

>>713611771
nah its sim ant but elden ring

>>713610309
People fear having to learn parry timings. It's unironically too hard for them. Same reason LSchads strike fear in lesser monhun weapon mains, their ways are incomprehensible to ungabungers.

>>713611771
yeah kinda but instead of enemies getting stronger over time forcing you to move it has a fortnite circle instead

>>713611940
t. no dmg

>>713575313
That was me, by the way.
I'm a man.

>>713611531
And is better achieved passively by other character's by their R1 spam. There is nothing wrong with admitting you like the playstyle of an objectively bad character. That's been my position in this entire conversation.

>>713611963
Enough damage to res your 3 bar ass every time

Can someone explain what's the reward for beating this game 10 trillion times? I mean in Isaac you get new items and so on but I assume there is nothing of the sort here.

>>713612285
t. no dmg still

>>713612181
Other characters don't get to R1 spam when fighting enemies that are attacking them and don't stagger in 3 hits. Unless you mean Dutches who does fuckall stagger damage.

>>713612323
the reward is fun

>>713612323
Just Costumes & Relics; I'm disappointed relics don't give you those boss drop effects like casting that sky spell when you walk or auto glintblades.

>>713612809
>>713612925
Imagine if Isaac didn't give shit on completion.

Why does all the bosses need 3 names?

>Baron of Night
>Gaping Jaw
>Adel

Just pick one

>>713612990
this game doesn't even have multiplayer it's not the same

>>713612323
Currently it's unlockable skins and relics which are permanent items that allow you to augment how each character plays. Some of those augmentations are just numerical stat increases, some are changes to your starting weapon weapon art or damage type, others augment how the characters unique class skills function. They aren't necessarily alternate abilities but some completly upgrade the skill or change its use case.

There are lots of pre-made relics you can get but for the most part the quality and effects you get from relics are RNG. So playing and eventually getting really good relics that allow you to craft different builds for the characters is the draw.

lole stupid guardians do no damage WAHAHAHA!!

>>713613119
To hype them up.

>>713612990
It’s kind of a blessing. Isaac got worse and worse the more random shit you unlocked.

>>713613119
No, it's cooler this way.

>>713612990
I could never get into Isaac, only enjoyment I got out of it was fapping to Lilith & Siren a few times.

>>713548127
absolute reddit post

>>713612285
Res gas little to do with damage and more to do with hit count. Daggers are some of the best res weapons in the game because of this.

>>713613182
>2 int

>>713549638
>>713567938
YOU are the randoms, you fucking faggots

>>713613182
wtf

>>713611771
Man, I wish it had a Risky Rain 2 mode; just hanging out and killing shit to get super op, not rushing to churches or mines to get normal op. Command, Sacrifice, and Swarm artifacts would be great here.

>>713613415
AKSHUALLY that's only partically true. Each weapon class, spell and ultimate has its own res damage that isn't necessarily based on its attack damage. One big outlier being revenant's claws.

>>713613573
I hope they'll add some kind of "fight until you can't anymore" mode like that but I know they won't. A simple boss rush mode would already be beyond their capabilities.

So when is everdark libra gonna show up?

>>713613750
Or at least let relics get crazier. Let me stack "start with x element" effects! Give me more effects like caligo where inflicting certain debuffs gives powerful bonuses. Maybe even relics that effects the world more like slowing down the fortnite circle or forcing earth events every time without the hard mode shop.

>>713608748
Clearly you don't since you think it was his teammates who downed the mob. Also
>A stance broken enemy does fuck all to those already attacking
>What is sudden aggro switch
>What is critical hits
>What is completely safe full charged R2 since the enemy can't move
You are only making it worse for yourself.

>>713614104
desu they need to revamp relic mechanic as a whole. This is kind of an afterthought for now

>>713612181
>And is better achieved passively by other character's by their R1 spam.
Huh. I didn't know other characters have infinite poise and health to just R1 spam through boss combos, interesting.

>>713610232
In those kinds of defensive situations 90% of the roster does nothing, the executor did much more than that

>>713614310
Which is crazy because it's our main form of progression!

>>713613182
>>713613496
I will carry the best weapons and not use them
I will sit in every fight only blocking
I will only do damage with reflect
I will not heal with my ult
I will use the big tornado to knock the enemies out of melee range
I will miss my ult on the revive

>>713610232
>Devours all the aggro and sekiros the fuck of the 7 year long combo
>Does nothing
???

How to make Executor not shit:
>Passively give Sunbreaker the same "Thrusting Counterattack" type effects for all his attacks using Sunbreaker by +20%, which is replaced with a flat +20% damage buff for 15sec when successfully landing his L2 burst ability
>Make his Sunbreaker Relic add +10% damage at the cost of HP vs the +8% we currently have

>>713587792
The secret is that the one from the shop is dogshit and that you should rng a class relic with evergaol buffs on it. The game has more stonesword keys than you can actually use in a run

>>713614971
Hit circle, retard.

>>713613182
bird bros, we cannot let this one get away

>>713611085
There was an unquestionable offense in that defense, yeah its never going to match the executor just mashing with his bleed/frost/poison sword but it was never supposed to

>>713615497
It also doesn't have to be a bonified clock waster in a game where time is only in the enemy's favor.

>>713615654
You seem too attached to your own victim complex to ever truly enjoy anything

>>713615136
And do literally nothing as opposed to stance damage? What kind of argument is this.

>>713616524
You know dodge rolls have followup attacks, right?

>>713617178
yeah they wouldnt do even 1/5th of the stance damage he did

>>713615970
Stop using armchair psychology terms you clearly don't even understand in the first place. Sunbreaker is bad for the EXACT same reason Guardian is bad, the only difference is Executor can choose to deal actual damage by not engaging with his kit at all, while Guardian has actual useful abilities in his.

>>713617352
They do if you 2hand them and pick a character better suited for stance damage without sacrificing legit damage in the process.

>>713615068
How to make Executor not shit:
>let players know that switching in and out of Sunbreaker has guard frames

>>713545257 (OP)
I can't even defeat normal one lol

>>713617178
Are we pretending that many characters can get a swing in between each dodge roll? Have fun eating shit because your recovery time is slower than the enemy's combo.

>>713617178
you are so shit at the game its unreal

>>713617713
Are you implying guard counters are any faster in those scenarios?

>>713617178
Real "can't imagine a spinning apple in his head" type post
You are not getting many good hits during that combo, not without outright tanking

>>713617486
>a character better suited for stance damage
Exactly one character with exactly one playstyle which is in odds with his kit.

>>713617795
Executors specifically? Yea it's extremely fast sis
No other guard counter would work there either

>>713617795
Are you joking? The deflect is a million times faster and has practically no recovery time in comparison to a roll + R1. Especially when talking about two-handed weapons suited for stance damage.
I'm beginning to think you don't even play the game.

>>713606937
>The teammates could "dumpster" him because he was skillfully kept in place by the absolute PARRYCHAD
crucible knights are easy to defeat. your webm is not impressive because other classes get the amount of stance damage executor built up in that video with just two jumping r2s

>>713617178
waste of stamina, i miss stranger of chaos guard bar and infinite attacks stamina management its boring

>>713613182
they can do damage but not roll and dodge effectively

>>713617978
I have no issue rolling + attacking between enemy attacks. I think the lot of you have fooled yourself into thinking a mechanic existing somehow makes it good because of an auditory/visual feedback you get from engaging with it, which is hilariously monkey brained.

>>713617795
I need you to post a 10 second clip of you playing the game as verification

>>713617998
On a training dummy maybe, in reality the knight can perform his whole combo on your ass by the time your second jump attack connects. Stop thinking in terms of MMO sims.

>>713618218
Prove it, take an ultra heavy weapon and take it to the first gaol in elden ring
It doesn't take long and I know you have time because you've been seething about executor for seemingly hours

>>713618218
Sure you do. Every combo ever made you roll once and attack between each enemy swing. Do you think this bullshit works on people who actually play the game?

>>713618360
Doesn't need to be an ultra heavy weapon. Simple longsword or basic greatsword 2 handed does the trick just as well without sacrificing damage in the process. The ONLY benefit you get from Exdcutor is stamina management, but it means fuckall if it takes 2-3 hits to equal 1 from anyone else.

>>713618407
Anon, this has been the case since base Elden Ring. The "20 hit combo before zi get a turn" argument has always been shitter cope from people that don't know when to do followup attacks or jumping attacks. Stamina regen is lightning fast in these games.

>>713618534
>They do if you 2hand them and pick a character better suited for stance damage
>ummmm it could be ANY weapon
nice goalpost shift sister, I accept your concession

>>713598235
I'll refuse to ping a location unless it's like an evergaol on the way to someone else's ping
I don't mind standing around while the other 2 people decide what we are doing, gives me time to puff on the herb vape

>>713618690
Literally no goals have been shifted, even from your greentext.

>>713618534
a simple longsword wouldn't get anywhere close to that damage or stance damage, try again

>>713618653
Yes there are combos you can roll and get a sneaky hit in, nobody is arguing against that. You however are so stubborn you refuse to admit that the executor can cause stance damage to an enemy in all scenarios where other characters would be forced to roll. And surely not even you are so retarded you claim that every hit in every combo can be roll + R1'd?

>>713618534
>still can't prove it
Not looking good

>>713545257 (OP)
Out of curiosity, does nightreign have any sort of story or canonicity to the original ER?

>>713618928
I tried executor and now I want to play sekiro but it's no longer on sale on steam and it's full price on g2a, actually it's more than full price on g2a (over $70)

is this game worth starting as a new player or did I miss the boat?

>>713617178
Nobody is stopping you from attacking between executor deflects either. Sure at first you stand there with your katana out all the time but then you learn the combos and take it in and out between your regular attacks. You can't always combo it but often times you can, best thing about it is you don't have to displace your character. So if an enemy is attacking you facing away from the others you won't accidentally point it in their direction by rolling behind the enemy.

>>713619150
My weedbrain says there's 2 trilogies
Dark souls 1 > dark souls 3 > elder ring
And the 2nd trilogy?
Demon souls > (broken giant throne from des)dark souls 2 > nightreign

>>713618928
>You however are so stubborn you refuse to admit that the executor can cause stance damage to an enemy in all scenarios
No, but I think the extremely narrow circumstances where this applies doesn't make a character's entire gimmick worth the tradeoff vs others. That's the ENTIRE GODDAMN POINT of this discussion, Anon. Again, Executor is my favorite character in the game, nut that doesn't mean I need to warp reality to the fact that he's lackluster outside of rule of cool.

>>713619348
I just started and there's still plenty of nubs for the chimera boss

>>713619350
Which is exactly why I suggested >>713615068

>>713618308
i'm thinking more in terms of superior gameplay wherein i don't get hit by crucible knight combos in the first place. imagine telling on yourself like this lmao.

>>713619348
I get matched with completely fresh people to this day, twice yesterday in fact. I think you're good in this regard, just don't act retarded on purpose and when you feel like you're missing something look it up. People who haven't beaten the first nightlord get placed in their on matchmaking queue so chances are you'll be playing with new people for some time.

>>713619591
I thought it's a cerberus tho but guess it's been awhile since I fought him

>>713619486
>extremely narrow circumstances
There are far, far more combos you cannot reliably do roll + R1 than there are not. In 8/10 cases it is better to parry if you can do it. You keep saying it is your favorite character yet you refuse to acknowledge the strong point of the skill. Could it simply be that you suck at parrying and rather than admit you suck, you decided that it is bad?

>sealed urns are just the basic urn but color 1 and 3 are swapped
what did the c-team intern mean by this

>>713619825
Second preset, or alt ordering for conflicting relic effects since leftmost is prioritized

>>713619630
Yeah, and you don't get hit by the knight at all because the executor has him aggro locked. Otherwise your two jumping attacks in a row would get interrupted by a swing in the balls for half of your hp bar.

>>713619769
The posts so far don't really indicate he even played the game

>half the thread has been discussing how to beat a basic crucible knight
these are the randoms I'm getting in my games

>>713619769
It sounds like you suck at dodgerolling between attacks instead of relying on one of the loosest deflections the series has ever had. It's not even a proper parry, it's the just the cracked tear buff from SotET with none of the damage or mobility that comes with it.

>>713620107
I love jolly cooperation and this is the first souls game it isn't stressful to do, ive only died from falling twice in this one!
2 cooperators means 2 chansus to get carried

>>713620014
brother what you're not getting is that with wylders and raiders the knight is knocked over and dead before he can get a move out. you're just aurafarming to the actual detriment of the team by increasing average time to kill. thanks for absorbing aggro but the higher tier classes are higher tier because they won't let the knight get a hitbox out to begin with

>>713620160
>Executor's jacking themselves off by parrying highly telegraphed 3 hit combos + tail swipe at half health that any normal character can attack + dodge roll through
Yeah, it is kind of pathetic.

>>713619769
>There are far, far more combos you cannot reliably do roll + R1 than there are not
no such thing, what you're doing here is admitting you're bad at the game

>>713620014
>execucuck's only remaining cope is that he can kind of be guardian but somehow shittier and less endearing

>>713620474
Hilariously, due to the pathetic damage output of Sunbreaker, he won't even be holding aggro for long if for some reason his teammates didn't melt the thing in under 10 seconds it takes for the Knight to finish it's baked in attack combo once it starts.

>>713620474
>with wylders and raiders the knight is knocked over and dead before he can get a move out
Prove it.

>>713620559
prooves? record webm of you roll r1ing every hit in that combo

>>713620732
Attempt playing the goddamn game, retard.

actual tier list

>S - DPS leader, you follow their pings or you die
Wylder
Raider
Recluse

>A - DPS supports - good players recognize S-tier leadership, bad players sand bag
Duchess
Ironeye

>B - team supports - whether they follow or not doesn't matter because all they're actually expected to do is time their ultimate correctly
Revenant
Guardian

>F - "aggro management" - useless, only contributes boss HP and increased time to kill
Executor

>>713620690
sounds like a personal skill issue bro, never really happens to me if I'm hitting my openings

>>713620939
Because enemies have a set amount of time they stick to a character before shifting focus, dumb dumb. This is the case for literally any character in the game.

>>713620880
Actually mindbroken lmao

>>713620939
the point is that even is you play optimally you're still costing the team more time than you would have if you were just fucking R1'ing him to proc status

>>713620880
so is nightreign treated like sweaty mobashit or is it actually fun to play. Seems it's a cointoss between people treating it like fucking rainbow six and people just playing a videogame.

>>713621037
I see you are too retarded for even the English language to hold your attention

>>713621079
Ya raider is a staggerbot which would be supportive dps so he's kinda retarded for that one

>>713557974
>>713564253
guardian is only weak in damage. but even then the damage isn't that bad if you know how to use him (passive + rune that deals damage on guarding). most people don't even know how to use his passive (the game doesn't really make it clear). guardian is arguably the most complex class as it's not just about rolling and attacking.
in the right hands, guardian is nearly invincible and puts out a fair amount of damage and becomes very OP.
the only downside to guardian is that there's no real way to maintain aggro, the rune for that often doesn't work as intended, and bosses ignore it completely, only going for whoever is marked.

>>713556956
you can literally just crop it, you brown monkey

>>713621138
It is an undeniable truth that something you have to do defensive actions instead of offensive ones, sister

>>713621141
it's the same as regular souls co-op, just a bunch of retards flailing about and maybe the boss dies if you're lucky

Aren't roguelikes about slowly getting better/stronger over some kind of repetitive gameplay cycle?
This game gives you next to nothing. Not even like a 5% buff or anything. Relics are so random they're barely worth looking at.
Either this game does roguelike poorly or I've misunderstood the genre.

>>713621141
it's mostly just this retard in particular>>713621138

>>713621141
there's a couple of quirks to routing and team comp but they're knowledge checks which, if passed by at least one person whom the others follow, can make the game incredibly chill
most randoms you encounter online will follow, it's actually somewhat rare to find a shitter who doesn't know what they're doing and confidently tries to set the route

>>713621153
>"I hit my opening!"
>enemy aggros the only person it recognizes, and the first enemy it focuses on has extra "aggro meter" off the rip
>"Look! I'm hiding aggro because of my mad Samurai skillz and nit because this is simply how the game functions regardless of character choice!"
>C.Knight dead because characters with actual damage output floored the fucker before it could even react to it's aggro reset
Mommy's proud.

>>713621141
It's just one guy. Everyone plays whoever they likes and character stacking is extremely rare unless you're doing it for the meme. Your luck with weapons and effects on them, and especially spells for recluse, is way more important.

>>713621249
and the most time- and dps-efficient defensive maneuver will always be the dodgeroll.

>>713621420
it's not only suboptimal, it's an active detriment compared to other playstyles available on th

>>713620480
If it were any other character parrying the Crucible Knight's bullshit it would be obvious how valuable and useful it is to the team. The Executor's deflect is just a parry that's easier, works on literally any attack, and does a bit less stance damage. I haven't been involved in the argument up until now, but you're objectively retarded/wrong/DPS-brained if you think completely no-selling a fight and preventing him from attacking is useless. Do you think the reason people like Ironeye's ult is because of the mediocre damage and not because of the complete interrupt?

>>713620880
lmao just admit you were wrong

>>713621249
And in those moments, the boss is lunging 500ft in the opposite direction before you can even get your guard counter out. Ironeye's dodge/mark ability + followup shots is more consistent aggro management, and actually benefits the team.

>>713621427
Nigga you don't have to get so buttblasted. Also curious how in your scenario it's not the "damage dealer" characters who initiate the attack. Why are they not fighting until the mob already aggroed?

>>713621518
>completely no-selling a fight and preventing him from attacking is useless
but you're not "preventing him from attacking" the way raider's ability does by knocking him down. what you're actually doing is expecting your team to wait for him to attack

>>713621504
>will always be the dodgeroll
No, it's actually the backstep.

>>713621746
can you backstep an aoe

>>713621518
Nigga, anyone else parrying is going to be BETTER with quicker crit chains without blowing the enemy's stagger bar, because a Sunbreaker "parry" isn't even a real parry and doesn't completely throw the enemy's attack off guard.

>>713621427
>the executor loses aggro
>I don't
>WELL IN THIS SPECIFIC WEBM POSTED 10 HOURS AGO SOMEONE DOESNT AND THAT PROVES IM RIGHT
are you mentally ill

>>713621652
I didn't create the scenario retard, I merely responded to it given the information provided.

>>713621827
Can't see why not, gonna try next time I play dutches.

>>713621518
>lmao just admit you were wrong
wrong about what? all the arguments raised in executor's favor rely on pretending the game isn't time attack. all he does is slow down fights in order to look cool.

>>713621427
Post your last 10 runs to prove you even play the game

>>713621876
>Anon doesn't even know how the game works
Lol

>>713621973
>pretending the game isn't time attack
Ah yes, the game where you get to level 13-14 on the first night is "time attack".

>>713621978
I'm at work, so that would be hard to accomplish.

>>713621420
mental illness is real and /v/ is a zoo for it

Guardian is the best because abusing boss aggro is the strongest thing in the game

>>713622107
You've been seething about executor for 10 hours while at work? You don't sound employed sister

>>713622145
>pointing out objective facts is mental illness
Quite the opposite. Being unable to admit you like a subpar character is, though.

>executor holding aggro
>>all the hitboxes still come out
>>if he misses one input due to personal or network failure the entire team eats the entire combo
>>the dps and stance damage payoff is bad
>>the time to kill is increased

>guardian holding aggro
>>the hitboxes are interrupted, the combo is stopped
>>no chance of subsequent input failure because you're just holding block
>>the dps and stance payoff is good because of guard counters and an actual opening created for dps characters

>>713622280
I've never seen a single guardian not complain about their guard counters so I don't think you're one of those

>>713620160
meanwhile in wylder land
>just parry them lol

>>713622106
not with an executor aurafarming every crucible knight in the castle instead of just killing the fucking thing you're not

>>713622280
yeah, but you're also playing a b*rd, consider that

>>713622243
>People bad at the game can't manage two things at once
Explains why dodge rolling and attacking is hard for you. Glad we could clear that up.

>>713622231
If he had his charged counter on more weapon types and at least a bit more poise on it (or ideally it also counted as a guarded state) he'd be great. He's so close to being actually fun to play for me.

>>713622452
Wow posting off cooldown too, must be a real job for sure

>>713622362
i roll colossals with guardian, the halbred stuff is a meme imo.

>>713622441
absolutely fair, look he's not my main but i'll take a bird over parryslop any day. it's especially egregious because execs are literally more effective spamming status than ever using their skill even "optimally"

>the executor seether has been a guardian player all along
KEKAROOOOO
Makes sense, taking elemental chip must be agonizing when you know the samurai next door is just mashing through it

why don't people spam proc? seems the fastest way to rush the game?

it's not like deflect is even impressive, the timing is extremely generous. fucking golden parry is harder to pull off and has a better payoff (actually interrupting the enemy's attack).

parryslop execs give "mommy look at my poop" vibes

>>713622386
It's way faster than spending time to res a wylder who thinks his R1s are gonna stagger the knight any second now or a raider jumpbot who never has stamina to dodge

>>713622386
the kill in the webm took 14 seconds, if you can't complete a castle with crucible knights taking that long that's more of a self snitch than anything

>>713609558
>Starting claws and cipher pata are meh
>Rarely ever get the coded sword
>Nothing else has FTH scaling that doesn't require FP, FP is limited without starlight shards
>Weapons don't have STR/DEX requirements, colossal have really good base damage despite her scaling being mediocre with them
So her only options for attacking without spending FP would be the starting claws, a bow, the jar cannon or hand ballista, and a colossal weapon. Because you can't just rely on incantations without a good way to be FP neutral. The meme is somewhat rooted in logic.

>>713623046
I beat the bull and maybe a couple bosses after it in sekiro but it was shrimply too hard for me, needs some jolly cooperation so I can be carried thru instead of having to uninstall

>>713622370
This. It's also an actually parry that'll completely interrupt the enemy's combos, enables a free crit + hits by teammates without fucking over the stagger bar as well. It also requires ACTUAL skill to pull off.

>>713622370
You NEED to dual weild as wylder bro, trust me it's gonna save you those precious 0.5 seconds on a crucible knight kill

>>713622985
your sniveling copes assume failure on the part of the other player. we're not talking about actual performance, we're talking about kit. executor's KIT inherently makes the team WORSE just by being used.

>>713623367
The timing is different than sekiro parry? I just hit parry whenever the swing starts coming at me and it usually works both with executor and real parries

>>713623092
two wylders get it done in 8, what's your point lil bro. lmfao. jeet thought he did something

>>713622504
I wish I could be hired to shitpost videogame samurais.

>>713546593
>umm fromsoft? Where is my billion mtx to spend money on?! You cant just add content for free!

>>713623637
>you cant easily get level 15 like that
>yeah you can
>WELL UUMMMM, YOU CAN DO IT FASTER THOOOO?
Seek therapy

400 posts of a guy going "ummm acktually not optimal"

>>713623780
bro all the damage came from recluse, you're coping on so many levels its unreal. sekiro is a shitty game, you're a shitty player, learn a real class

>>713623675
Funny you mention shitposting you'll never guess what I'm doing right now
But also I'm getting paid because I'm at my job, which is a remote job so I'm also in my bedroom
Nobody knows I hit the weed pen all day because my numbers are on par with coworkers so I'm also getting paid to be on that good kush, life is but a dream

>>713623860
Who cares if something aint optimal long as the boss dies, minmaxers should go play warcraft or some shit and jack each other off based on parse numbers etc

>>713623543
>we're talking about kit
If we disregard any sort of player failure then in an ideal situation executor still comes out on top.
>pour non-stop insane damage via three status effects at once, maybe four if you get a rot katana for your left hand
>take out the Sunbreaker only when the enemy attacks you and put it away on the last hit to continue attacking uninterrupted
It's not just good, it's optimized for constant flow. Especially compared to kit failures like Raider (whose most efficient playstyle involves completely ignoring his kit and exploiting overtuned jump attack stagger, meanwhile his actual colossal moveset sucks and is actively avoided and his ultimate sometimes completely blocks your teammates from doing damage) or Recluse (cocktails being a detriment more than help 90% of the time because you can't dump an undesirable combo your teammates' elemental damage forces on you due to acquisition delay).

>>713621141
The benefit of no comms is that you can't have spergs like the anon you are replying to shitting up the game. Everyone plays what they want.

>>713624206
Recluse just sounds like a hassle, who can actually memorize every single cocktail? Not that you can really go for anything in particular when teammates override the element you just used on the boss
Id rather just spam staff spells and use ability only for mana, getting locked into cocktail release animation is a death sentence anyways

>>713624570
The fucked up thing is I booted up dark souls 3 and the voice chat works fine, how did they go fucking backwards with nightreign? They already have the voice chat feature, there's no reason for it not to be in the game
That aside a simple ping system is all the communication I need, just would be a bit more jolly with voice comms

>>713624610
Pretty much every 3-element cocktail is good, so you don't really need to care beyond having 3 unique elements.
But even then, I really only use it for FP and the terra magica passive.

I must be doing something wrong as Revenant because I've never cleared a solo run with her. Even ignoring the FP issues I can't ever seem to find weapons or incants that do good damage

>>713624610
I just adapt to what my mates are dealing and often just ignore holy but yeah I'd just rather eat starlight shards. Thankfully regular bosses usually have big windows for you to spend cocktails and you don't wanna use the cocktail on the nightlords either way.

>>713624769
>>713624610
Magic Magic Lightning is amazing.
>powerful magic sword beam
>has iframes
Lightning Lightning Fire is also based
>Blink lightning bolt dash with an explosion of lightning at the destination

Triple Lightning is based too. Turns your dodge into bloodhound step for a while.

>>713624769
Terra magic is 3 magic element right?
Usually i manage 2 magic then suddenly a fire appears right as i go for the 3rd magic, oh well. Don't even know what 3 magic does anyways so it aint a big deal
I mostly play raider or bowgger(because I'm bad)
I do like executor tho fake parrying feels nice and free full health every ult is good for a bad player like myself, still worse than wylder cheat death tho

>>713625078
>get the autoparry shield effect on a sperg boss like royal revenant
>just stand in front of him and pray all his attacks are actually parriable
That shit's hilarious

>>713625154
>Terra magic is 3 magic element right?
3 magic is just a magic damage nuke, there's a relic passive you can get where she drops a terra magica automatically when absorbing essences.

>>713625075
Retard alert.
>he doesn't use BHS against Fulghor
>he doesn't spam fire cocktails at Caligo
>he doesn't realize the Lightning Nuke can even break a Libra Shield
>he doesn't use the healing fire breath on big openings to top up his team's HP and deal fast damage
Mid tier Recluse detected.

>>713625154
>Terra magic is 3 magic element right?
No, the relic passive that drops a buffing area under you, it triggers any time you suck an element (if there's not already one active)

>>713625154
Terra magica is a relic effect that places are damage buff zone under you whenever you steal an element. Magic-magic-fire is basically like 3 magic, a dot to help you recover mana faster.

>>713625075
Yeah cocktails on night lord is fucked is what ive learned from my brief time as Recluse, just sucks that's the only true pure caster, hoping the dlc adds more choices
Faith revenant just feels like ass after eating thru fp unless you want to run around with 8 fp shards i guess but what a fucking hassle

>>713625078
>has iframes
u wot
I swear I've been hit out of it repeatedly, thought magic lightning holy was the only invuln one

>>713625525
I've ignored active attack frames during the little rushing dash she does several times. Could just be latency though.

>>713625438
>>713625459
How have i not found a single relic with this effect, do I need to actually play Recluse to find it? I've barely touched member berry quests maybe I should work on those. Just not a fan of increased queue time but everyone is friendly and willing to help with em, which is nice considering everyone always said souls players are toxic and outside of rage quitters in the first day ive had no issues

>>713625365
>Lightning Nuke can even break a Libra Shield
ok, how does targeting work for this thing, sometimes it seems like its at the base of the lock on target, other times it seems like its based on where recluse is standing ,and other times its somewhere else entirely. im not a reclussy main so i'm usually choking a little bit when trying to pull it off, so maybe im confused, but i just cant seem to target these things even on stationary enemies lol

>>713625365
I use what I can steal from the enemy/teammate. Never once seen lightning used on Libra. Also nice webm of a target dummy that doesn't fight back. Try "spamming cocktails" against something that's actively targeting you.

>>713625009
Find any one greatsword or heavier. It's better than nothing. Spergs will screech "SCALES WITH FAITH!!!11", but her claws have legit dogshit moveset only good for reviving due to quirks. And hit churches for incants, I guess, hope for the best.
Also rob graves for the bell if you don't have a relic for it.

>>713623860
Reality:
Exdcutorchad points out a WEBM someone posted isn't at all impressive and basically shows his teammates did all the work, while also explaining how despite the character having cool gameplay, is really not that good and better served using base weapons instead.

Execucks that barely know how to play Elden Ring proceed to seethe and deny objective reality for no reason at all.

>>713575313
ignore those other anons, it was me
I was sitting in my lingerie on my gaming chair cranking my hog with Cheeto encrusted hands (male)

>>713625779
It appears where the lockon target was when you started casting I think.

>>713625825
Anon, if I can get off multiple cocktails in a Duo context, you can get off a single one occasionally in a Trio.
>I use what I can steal from the enemy/teammate
Sure. Me too. I just cherrypick the stuff needed for the big spells unless I'm legitimately trying to regen FP in a fight. The trick with cocktails to to cherrypick good spells between fights and then drop bombs. It's really not that hard to get two different elements banked.

>>713624206
>all the words to say "yes, i do increase time to kill on purpose when i use my character skill"

>>713626095
That's like rain of arrows then, fucking tried it on a boss that was staggered and of course it moves backwards out of the rain after being critically hit, fuckin bullshit

>>713625825
she can skill-cancel her casting anims such that you can instantly absorb the essence of whatever spell you cast

>>713626241
Yeah the nuke is a finesse move. I'd save it for when the monster is guaranteed to sit still.

>Recent major poisebreak
>Large immobile scripted attack like Libra Shield meditation or Heolstor dark arena projectile spam

I have to admit I simply think it's fuckin' badass as fuck, the other triple multi element spells are usually easier to use and more effective

>>713625779
It has some weird quirk where height differences make it cast further out with lock-on. Don't be above the target, basically.

>>713626434
I'll have to try again then, but probably gonna play executor when I'm off work, getting 2 elenora pole blades on him is some good shit