Remember to do your part /v/ there is only one month left, tell everyone you can about it and have them sign it, doesn't matter if they're gamers, your mom, dad, grandparents, uncle, aunt and your entire extended family. Ownership should be a basic human right, and even if you don't care about being able to play live service games after support ends, you should at least care that you're giving corporations a big fuck you middle finger and a potential black eye.
https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIfRLujXtUo

the goverments are controller by corporations
they wont allow it

>>713547109
If EU buttfucked Apple then game companies stand no chance.

>>713546960 (OP)
I did.
Anyway - buy on GoG and or pirate and avoid online only games.

>>713547109
stfu fag, it's like saying walmart will never allow your garentee to be valid for 30 days.

not a yuro so it's not my problem

Thorgods how we feeling right now?

>>713547109
Anon, the corpos have gotten buttfucked by the europoors multiple times. Just because burgertards are bad at fighting corpos doesn't make it universal.

>>713547109
Retarded third world nigger, fuck off to your sraeli forum faggot

>>713547461
American website

>>713546960 (OP)
>Europoor
There’s your problem.

>>713546960 (OP)
why should a government be allowed to force companies to keep servers open for games they want to shut down? it should be the companies choice.

>>713547567
I thinks it’s just to allow people to host private servers. So they can’t just nuke the game completely.

>>713546960 (OP)
>Everyone signs it, "WE did it Reddit" moment
>Makes it to parliament
>Document Petition #19310312; Move to discuss this further?
>Nay
>Document Petition #19310312 dismissed, moving on

>>713547458
>the corpos have gotten buttfucked by the europoors multiple times.
sorry. i assume its that way just like electricity companies own politics on spain

>>713547282
>if
yeah ,as in:
if your gay ass movement had any legs to begin with it would've been crowned national jig dancing champion of all years every year

>>713547642
a government shouldn't be able to force companies to do that though, it's a companies decision what to do with their property

He won

>>713546960 (OP)
I don't even care about this but signed it because that blizzard nepo baby faggot Thor/ Piratesoftware is so deadset against it.

>>713547567
honestly funny to still see retards parrot this talking point

>>713547282
>>713547458
Every company the eu has gone after has been american and only american because they are perpetually butthurt.

>>713546960 (OP)
My EU friends signed and told their friends to sign, but beyond that, what can you do. If people in EU don't spread the word then word doesn't get spread.

>>713546960 (OP)
greekfag here
i signed it

>>713547861
>it's a companies decision what to do with their property
>the thing you bought from a company ... is the company's property
how fucking low IQ are you? it's not their property retard, it is YOUR property.
You paid money for it and you bought it, a companies destroying something you own is actually a crime.

>>713547993
what's really funny is that stupid petition failed because it had no support. They should start another petition to force the site to keep it open

>>713547861
At that point it shouldn’t matter. If they’ve abandoned it, why not let people play it with their own server? The only reason to torch the game completely is if they want to try reselling it later with a rerelease or something. Like if Sony made Concord 2, but the five people that liked Concord were on a private server, and had no interest in playing the new one.

Total Americhad victory
If I can’t benefit from this neither should anyone else

>>713548304
Ross is American, you realise that?

>>713548356
He lives in poland and is married to a polish girl iirc

>>713548356
yeah but he married a p*le

>>713548304
People with no air conditioning shouldn’t have the same rights as us. It’s that simple.

>>713548421
That doesn't invalidate him being American, he's still one of you and has to pay taxes.
I found that really funny when I discovered you Americans still have to pay U.S. taxes even if you don't live in America anymore.
Anyway, he pays his dues, he's one of you and loves the Crew game because it let him live in America while not living in America.

The absolute state of the yanks in here slurping the corporate cock

>>713548421
>>713548439
An autistic polish girl that won't even leave her house but not in the good way because she's a super loony lefty bisexual (probably a lie for attention despite seemingly being a social recluse) Sephiroth x Cloud Fujoshi.

Before "I won't dox myself!" retardation gets posted again I would remind to all burgers that EU countries know where their citizens live already

>>713548304
How would you not benefit from this?

>>713547861
someone can’t read

>>713548214
>hurr i bought the game
>hurr that means I own the servers
do consolefags really?

>>713548519
>worshipping corporations le bad even doe they be out here making delectable slop for me to consoom

>>713548854
Their servers are their servers, no one wants them

>>713546960 (OP)
As I always say, this is a waste of time. The correct approach is:
1. Cracks: if you are able to keep things offline running on your own computer without DRM or anything, fuck the rest.
2. Clear rules for licenses: once someone has purchased a license, it cannot be revoked except within the law (for example, the guy is using the copy to generate other copies in a piracy process, and the police seize the original copy and the guy's license is revoked).
That's it.

>>713547109
the american government is.
EU gov actually has balls

>>713547895
Based hero stopping the spread of this fascist altright evil campaign

The only way these EU citizen initiatives pass is with celebrity and politician support
For example conversion therapy ban one got like 500K signatures in last week thanks to French celebrities telling frogs to VOTE

I don't like Asmongold but if there is a way to get him to shill it then that's the way to go. Other e-celebs, especially european ones and maybe even actual celebrity in case of Henry Cavill

>saar please sign so I can continue playing my f2p android games forever
No

What guarantees the rights owners payment from the people running the private servers for them using their trademarks and intellectual property? Or is that not accounted for

>>713546960 (OP)
as a raging s/furfag there is only one thing I want, and so far .001% of the industry has given it to me

>>713546960 (OP)
>le petition
pure vooter delusion

not even worth the electricity to open and post a response

i recoup my losses by also shitposting and mocking the democracyfags

>>713549051
Asmongold covered it at one point, it might make some good content to "react" to Ross roasting Thor again so it should definitely be sent his way. If anything, people with connections should be using Thor's downfall as an easy way to get votes skyrocketing since it proves he's an ignorant piece of shit

>>713549074
>What guarantees the rights owners payment from the people running the private servers for them using their trademarks and intellectual property?
It's commieslop they just have to give away their product for free to piratecel """"""preservationists"""""

Only based Nintendo is handling the "preservation" pirates correctly.

>>713549071
fourth puberty hands wrote this.

>>713549191
>Thor’s downfall
he’s winning albeit

>>713548214
It's (((goblin))) law.

>>713546960 (OP)
How many times do you have to be told that you and your petition are idiotic before you listen

>>713547345
>buy on GoG
fuck off
die

>>713549429
Then use gog-games.to and shut up

>>713548854
The retarded practice of tying the game to the server and breaking the game by switching off the server wasn't a common practice, isn't expected, and doesn't have a guaranteed time frame in which the game remains operational. So these things are illegal or dodgy at best.

>>713547861
>government shouldn't be able to force companies to do that though
Why not? Why should national governments meant to represent their people have less power than international corporations with no allegiance to anything? You're sounding very globohomo right now.

>>713549264
After getting kicked and quitting several guilds and cheating accusations, denying everything instead of saying a single sorry, no, there's an in there.

>>713549591
>why should governments enforce people's rights
because the alternative is fascism

>>713549581
zzzzzzz

>>713549658
International vompanies should have no rights. They are not people, and they are not citizens nor the blood and soil of the countries they operate in.

Literally everyone who isnt a greedy piece of shit benefits from this iniative, how the fuck are there actual real people against this?

>>713549680
Z Z Z ZOV SVO

>>713550057
People are fucking retarded and/or don't think these things will ever affect them.

>>713549658
China is building nuclear reactors with gachabux. Corporations should be brought to heel without remorse

europeans aren't going to become a spearhead for americans to change the world
stop shilling this shit

>>713550383
wtf I love gacha now

>>713547678
Unironically this.
>gets 1000000 signatures
>gets looked at
>laugh at it because it's about video games
>tossed
You'd have much better luck petitioning smaller individual government entities, which can then start placing pressure on the larger ones. It's also easier, since larger entities will pretty much disregard anything that doesn't have colossal unanimous support.
(ie. Canadian Gov telling Ross to pester the provinces instead, which he rejected because "not impactful enough" despite two of its provinces making up like 90% of the population)

>>713550057
Corpo shills, bootlickers, have a personal stake in it, people who get off on chaos, spreading fake info and trying to demoralize others, etc.

>>713549051
>The only way these EU citizen initiatives pass is with celebrity and politician support
Well, and for a few other reasons:
>most initiatives that pass are made by organizations with the capability and desire to spread awareness of said initiative
>most initiatives that pass generally have subjects that affect everyone in some way
>most initiatives that pass aren't advertising themselves almost solely to Americans
The big problem is that this initiative is focused around fucking videogames. Most who'd want to vote for it cannot, because they're underaged. And most who can vote for it wouldn't, because they don't give two shits about videogames. (calling it "STOP KILLING GAMES" doesn't help either, since the older population would gladly support killing "those damn vidyergames" or whatever).

IF they branded it around online services in general, then their chances of success would've been significantly higher.

>>713550057
I'll bite. How am I benefiting from this?

>>713546960 (OP)
I'm not European.

nobody i know lives in yurip but i am rooting for you guys

>>713551684
You buy a game and then get to keep it.

>>713551831
You'll just be outlawing types of games that you could never keep to begin with. This doesn't benefit me.

>>713552038
Like what?

>>713552098
The Crew.

>>713547282
>muh usb-c!!1!
All you did was embarrass yourselves.

>>713552134
Crew 2 has an End of Life plan thanks to this

>>713552172
Do they force people to join the servers so the community is active and fun or is that just an entirely different single player mode that isn't fun and that nobody cares about? Just trying to make sure this benefits me.

>>713552510
There it is again
>It doesn't benefit me so NOBODY should have access to the game
Where are you people coming from

>>713552718
I'm coming from this reply chain where this was said >>713550057
>Literally everyone who isnt a greedy piece of shit benefits from this iniative
Which is obviously false as it doesn't benefit me.

>>713548976
The initiative is basically just #2, numbnuts. Fucking read. And since whether or not #1 will happen for any given game is essentially random, there's no point in discussing it regarding any sort of industry-wide policy shift.

>>713552980
Because you are a greedy piece of shit who only thinks short-term about whether or not you benefit, ignoring anyone else.

>>713552983
Licenses are already clear
Marketplaces selling games with online requirements plaster notices that the game can go offline at any time all over the purchasing page and it's all over the licensing agreement
Try reading

>>713553103
>Any time
Okay, but you still bought a game, so the game going offline doesn't matter at all.

>>713547678
>>713550468
>>laugh at it because it's about video games
A friendly reminder that the European Commission cares about video games and have already made steps to regulate things like microtransactions in mobile games after one game for little girls got too greedy.
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_25_831
This isn't an "if", this already went through and the Commission is taking its time on how to best implement the goals to stop mobile games from doing anti-consumer things.
There's no need to wait whether you'll be right or not on your little demoralizing theories because you were already proven wrong a few months ago.

>>713546960 (OP)
europe can rot for what I care

>>713553070
Or maybe, just maybe it doesn't benefit literally everyone. Thanks for trying, troll.

>>713553263
So glad I'm never going to live in your shithole

>>713553575
Keep rubbing your coins jew, people are fighting it, antisemitism is on the rise.

>>713547109
American and Japanese governments*

>>713553191
>you bought a game
you bought a license
buying a game would be buying its IP-holder rights
games are not a good
>but this EU case-
says that under certain circumstances specific consumer protections that were written to apply to goods also apply to software, not that software is a good. Currently software license purchases legally exists as something of a unique case with aspects of goods regulations and service regulations applying.

>>713553678
Sure.

>>713553867
Why are you fighting so hard to make sure people don't own games?

>>713552168
>muh usb-c
hah they force raped applel into third party app stores and alternative payment options in apps.

>>713553994
You can't own a service

>>713553994
I'm not fighting anything, and neither are you
I'm calling you a retard on 4chan because you don't know what you're talking about

dot gay and sharty faggots need to go back, these raids are obvious

>>713554082
>>713554078
No one wants to own fucking anything they want to play fucking video games

>>713553656
I find it mildly amusing that some people -when confronted with something factual that goes against their worldview- will resort to nothing else but insults. Quite often with unrelated topics.
In any case, sorry for your loss or whatever prompts you to make these outbursts.

>>713554208
I'm afraid the world is a little more complicated than "I WANT IT I WANT IT I WANT IT GIMME"

Most people learn that around age 5

How are we gonna get more signatures in 1 month than we got in 11 months?

>>713553994
>Why are you fighting so hard to make sure people don't own games
>>713554208
>No one wants to own fucking anything
Huh?

>>713554342
When do people start bowing their head to corporations? Because I don't like it, and I'd prefer to stop it wherever I can as soon as I can.

>>713554243
I wouldn't worry about me. I'm a White American.

>>713554438
No one wants to own the service
No one wants to own their servers
No one wants the IP
They just want to keep playing the video game you made

>>713554387
Honestly a good campaign would be enough.
The overwhelming majority of votes the initiative has currently was reached in the first month. Then it lost steam and stagnated for the rest of its run, so it's not impossible at all to gather all remaining votes in just a month with a good campaign.

>>713554521
The entire game is having people get together on a server and compete against each other or intetact in some manner. People are no longer doing that, naturally. It happens. An entirely seperate single player offline or private server mode that nobody plays will not fix anything or bring the actual game back. I'm sorry.

>>713554714
A private server is set up so that people can play together.
It having 10 people max is literally inconsequential to everyone.

>>713554513
Thanks for the info. Do you have any remarks regarding how the European Commision is disinterested in handling video games with this seemingly new information that proves the exact opposite?

>>713554521
>No one wants to kill anyone
>No one wants to imprison anyone
>No one wants people to be deported
>They just want there to be no non-whites
The latter necessitates the former.

>>713546960 (OP)
>stop killing games
No.

Done
Fuck Nintendo

>>713554807
Looks like it's consequential to me because the game I played allowed up to 60 people and was only fun with many people online. This was the game as we knew it. A seperate private server won't bring the game back. It's juat a different game at that point. I get that you're all excited for baby's first politics but this is a nothingburger.

>>713554714
>An entirely seperate single player offline or private server mode that nobody plays will not fix anything or bring the actual game back.
A barely playable game is an objective (as in, not subjective) improvement compared to an absolutely not playable game. How is this even a discussion?

>>713554078
Explain how people in the 80s, 90s and 2000s were able to stock this "service" in store shelves, rent it, lend it, resell it, gift it, trade this service in at stores, etc.

Seems to me like something that was never inherently a "service" was turned into one by certain semitic groups, and you're playing devil's advocate while lying how it cannot be any other way. A real sleazy, dishonest piece of shit, basically.

>>713555118
>up to 60
So it allowed 10

>>713554910
I'll let you know when I ever care what Latvaia, Lithuania, or Malta has to say about any issue.

>>713555176
>why were people able to infringe copyright in the 90's?
Because the tech didn't exist for a cheap and ubiquitous enforcement mechanism and suing individuals is expensive.
Any other easy questions?

>>713555257
Why should we keep letting jews get away with this?

>>713555257
Gamestop was infringing copyright and managed to build a multinational vommercial empire out of it without any legal trouble?

Damn dude. Oh no wait, you're a fucking moron. Drink shotgun mouthwash.

>>713546960 (OP)
reminder that this movement is being stopped by a literal glownigger and his army of shills

>>713555215
I'll mark that as a "no" then. Thanks for your input and contribution to my previously stated "when confronted, talks about unrelated topics" pattern.

>>713555181
I don't know what that means

>>713555421
No problem. Glad to be done talking with you.

>>713555437
Is English your second or third language?

Reminder Thor is sad a game is being shut down
https://youtu.be/gCtVOrd_iHA?si=2ukw-gIPJQQ4w1yC

>>713546960 (OP)
Already signed it when it first dropped.

>>713555176
>explain this lie
If they were stocking it it was a redeemable code in a box that was a one time use or something like "good for X hours of online play" for some server hosted game. It was always a service.

>>713555345
>Gamestop was infringing copyright
No, the licenses back then were tied directly to the ownership of the physical medium by first-sale doctrine as a result of technical limitations. That's no longer the case, primarily because it's now possible to mediate license ownership through the internet.
Any other stupid statements?

>>713555523
It's my first. The service game I was talking about was DayZ which has 60 person servers.

>>713555367
I don't think that's accurate anymore.
It was in the first month when it gathered votes like crazy. The shills even posted literal CP in a desperate attempt to derail the discussion and trying to group the voters in with pedophiles.
Now, however, I don't think corporations and shills find that necessary because there's no momentum.

>>713555674
What lie? Gamestop was selling traded in, used games on such a scale it was a larger part of their business than regular fucking game sales, you blithering retard.
>b-but muh server based gamepl-
Wasn't a fucking thing outside WoW/other MMO shit, and has no reason to be a thing for games like The Crew which had been cracked to work on privately hosted servers. It just goes back to
>Seems to me like something that was never inherently a "service" was turned into one by certain semitic groups, and you're playing devil's advocate while lying how it cannot be any other way. A real sleazy, dishonest piece of shit, basically.

>>713555761
And you can't play with just 10

>>713555720
>by first-sale doctrine
So gamestop was infringing on copyright by reselling games then, apparently. And getting away with it somehow, apparently, despite it being a highly illegal activity. Damn, hiding in plain sight...

>>713556063
>So gamestop was infringing on copyright by reselling games then
Anon if you don't know what something is you can just put it into google
It's really easy, it takes five seconds, and it prevents you from looking like such a gigantic moron

>>713555367
I haven't followed this closely but watching the last video about it made me wonder what the deal is with that "Thor" faggot. There can be no way that the guy seriously thought that it was calling for every single multiplayer game to be restructured and fully remade into single player ones. Is he just some Reddit type faggot trying to get views or is he actually that stupid?

>>713555928
I wouldn't. I'd look for a more populated server. If no such thing exists then the game is dead. It doesn't exist without people playing it. Nothing can force peoole to play it. No goverment mandated inniative will bring this game back.

>>713556186
>There can be no way that the guy seriously thought that it was calling for every single multiplayer game to be restructured and fully remade into single player ones
Except that's exactly what the petition would require.
In b4 "nuh uh!"

>>713556204
>I wouldn't
Okay, I didn't ask you what you would do, you can go fuck yourself for all I care, I'm asking about people who want to play video games.

>>713555925
Ok but game I play was populated public servers. Private servers was never the game to me or anyone else.

>>713556290
It's the main reason /v/ doesn't care about it, it makes no sense

Start Killing Games

>>713556298
Glad to be done talking to you.

>>713556290
is Quake 3 Arena a "fully remade singleplayer game" because the servers are not hosted by id software?

>>713556160
>It's really easy, it takes five seconds, and it prevents you from looking like such a gigantic moron

>>713556556
cute self portrait

>>713546960 (OP)
American bump for my eurobros

>>713556465
Yeah, you can't fathom the idea of people playing a game together unless it's server hosted. So shut the fuck up and get the fuck out.

>>713556290
When the EU won against Apple with the USB-C, did they have to recall the phones that didn't have them? Hire engineers to redesign the phones in question then re-ship them to the customers? No. It was regulated for future phones, which Apple adhered to.
Why do you think that it would be different with video games? As much as I'd want it to cover older games, because I support media preservation, it's only going to be a thing for future games.

>EDF changes from P2P to Epic Online Services
>Connection quality takes a noticeable hit

>>713556675
We are done discussing this. I think I made that clear. Find someone else to troll.

>>713547895
I'm glad this faggot's rep is in the toilet now, even if it's for retarded reasons like using a voice changer or looking up hints offscreen just so he can say he did it himself.

>>713556798
Find more boots to lick, pick and choose from every live-service game and tell them to shut down the servers tomorrow so all those dirty incels get 0wnd for supporting a game!

>>713556786
>nips in charge of pc ports
after a certain point you just learn to always expect the worst

>>713556675
>>713556798
>>713556881
Jesus, both of you get a room already and moan about your pointless political activism to each other.

>>713556842
The hardcore wow thing is what did it

>>713547591
>>We need at least 14651 signatures per day on average!
>>Signatures today: +16,799
Not to be down on this, but a boost in signatures is obviously tied to the boost given by a video saying "It's over".
That will obviously and immediately decline, and it will continue to decline as time goes on and things settle again.
If the signatures from today were like 100K then you could go "Woah, this could work!", but you're barely getting more than the minimum per day. There is an expectation that this momentum would need to be sustained for OVER a month, all the way to July 31st, which won't happen because the movement was already stalled for YEARS.

PirateSoftware's videos are still the biggest videos on the subject is another big issue, and that won't change, even if he is now in a lot of shit. If anything, I imagine he's gonna make another video where he calls Ross a retard, reiterates the same wrong points, and that video will still be among the biggest videos on the subject.

>>713556885
I really don’t understand the Japanese aversion to PC

>>713557005
With PC you arent a cocksucking cultist for a singular company, sure Valve pretty much owns the PC gaming space, but you arent gaming on a valve pc with valve mouse valve keyboard valve desktop running valveOS (yet) so the Japs arent on board (yet), but also Valve and microsoft arent japanese and thats enough for the gooks to say no

>>713547567
Why are you shilling for billion dollar companies shutting down games customers paid money for

>>713557005
Same as mine: PC gaming is trash.

>>713556290
Community servers exist retard

>tf2 adopts matchmaking over community servers
>game is immediately worse

>>713557005
NTA but Japan has primarily been an arcade and console focused country in terms of video games.
While they did always make PC games, those were very sparse compared to the other two categories.
Now many companies slowly catched on that PC is a good market, with the newer Resident Evil games and Monster Hunter World first and foremost as the PC version made it escape the niche community it had, for better or worse but it's very successful financially.
I'm not too surprised that they fuck up the netcode for PC games while the big corporations get their foothold on the PC market.

>>713556992
Ross doesn't want to get anybody involved because it would lead to drama but it really is what gets the most impact these days.
Again, just sending his official response to pirate around to twitch streamers or react tubers would probably give a big boost by itself.

You were never meant to play the same games for years of your life. Move on

>>713557419
Wait until you find out about government mandated servers.

>>713557286
On what grounds? And as opposed to what?

>>713557419
At least in TF2's case if valve servers die the game can still be played either by community servers or with any of the TF2 forks.

>>713557657
What games have them?

>>713557659
Just my opinion. Don't lose sleep over it, PC vegan.

>>713557593
>you were never meant to read the same books for years of your life
>you were never meant to watch the same movies for years of your life
>you were never meant to listen to the same music for years of your life
You are so right. We should just destroy all media older than five years. Future generations get fucking nothing.

>>713557593
Nah fuck you, I'll load up emulators to play old games whenever the fuck I want.

>>713557659
This

>>713557728
Nothing thank god. Thor's movement failed.

>>713557824
>Thor's movement
You have no idea what you are arguing about.

>>713556992
>calls Ross a retard, reiterates the same wrong points, and that video will still be among the biggest videos on the subject
As long as the drama is circulating the word will get out, this momentum just needs to last a bit longer

>>713557745
uh okay then

>>713557769
Did that book require 60 other people reading it simultaneously with you?

EU is such an infinitesemally small market, if this passes videogames just won't be sold in Eurabia, the EUssr is unnecessary with SEA being the worlds biggest gamers, china, india let alone the emerging markets of africa and latin america easily make up any losses by the rapidly aging luddite boomer union whos constant demands to interfere and adjust everything sold in its reich is more trouble than its worth.

>>713546960 (OP)
I think Brit and Europe in general has more pressing priorities and problems than video games, like real life issues such as [DATA EXPUNGED]. But sure, let’s all hold hands and digitally sob over access to Assassin’s Creed: Live Service Regret Edition being revoked in 2032. Your rally cry reads like the final whimper of someone who mistook Steam achievements or getting the high score on Donkey Kong for civil liberties. This isn’t Spartacus—it’s a Discord mod with delusions of legislative grandeur while shackled as golem in a false paradise, called "video game worlds."

You think blasting your auntie's email into a Brussels click-hole is the modern Revolt of the Masses? Please. You’re not throwing a wrench into the gears of tyranny—you’re filing a soft-spoken customer complaint with a beg emoji attached. “Ownership is a human right!” you scream, while streaming 80% of your entertainment through five corporations that could delete your memories with a firmware update. Also, if you cared about games so much, you should have ditched Steam and used GOG instead. Steam is UbiPlay that works. Sorry, but that is on you for wanting to get Half-Life 2 so bad.

This isn’t rebellion. This is bureaucratic fanfiction.

You ignored the REAL Civilization game like you understood the scale of existential threats, then pivot into crying that you might lose access to Mario Kart DLC. You aren’t fighting for rights—you’re a gobbler at the toy aisle of digital licensing. Telling me to "get grandma to sign it" like this is a crusade, when it’s really just you trying to get your digital Beanie Babies back.

I bend timelines with contempt. You? You refresh a petition link and call it warfare. The real black eye isn’t on corporations—it’s on you, for mistaking passive paperwork for resistance while the pillars of the West teeter behind you. You aren’t giving “a big fuck you.” You’re giving a lukewarm “what about vidya gams.”

>>713557905
Then why did Apple bend the knee?

>>713557905
>if this passes videogames just won't be sold in Eurabia
You really don't know the jew

We're a PRO pi-RAT website, stop Stop Killing Games, the guy who worked at Blizzard already explained when it's bad.

>>713557902
Is that relevant to what you posted?

>>713557868
Drama won't last long is the thing.
Ross doesn't do drama and likely won't do another SKG video that isn't a general update, and PirateSoftware is currently only being watches by his own diehards after the big WOW drama.

>>713557902
>book require 60 other people reading it simultaneously with you?
that’d be awesome

>>713557902
>It's literally impossible to get friends together to play a game

>>713557918
Nigger, you are on a vidya board with people who presumably like to play video games, people can have multiple issues running at the same time which is why shit like this is even made so that people of different demographics and issues can talk about what matters to them.

>>713557918
>I think Brit and Europe in general has more pressing priorities and problems than video games,
Hey retard, this is why governments have hundreds of departments for specific issues.
You're a child.

>>713557905
Just like Facebook and Google stopped providing their services to the EU just so they wouldn't have to abide by their data protection laws and just like Apple stopped selling their products over there so they wouldn't have to make USB-C cables, huh?

>>713557905
>EU is such an infinitesemally small market

>>713557918
is this a copypasta from 10 months ago? It feels vaguely familiar

>>713557918
yes my bing bing wahoo is more important than eurotroons going extinct and replaced by africans and muslims, seethe poltard

>>713547895
>all it took was one shill with a paycheck from Ubisoft pretending to be retarded to kill consumer rights across the world
I don't know if I should despair for the fate of mankind or be impressed.

>>713557865
Wrong guy? Is thor the long brown haired faggot you're shilling, or the long blond haired faggot you're shilling? I lost track of which clebrity this board is worshiping.

>>713557990
Yes.

>>713557918
>more pressing priorities and problems
>A red herring is something that misleads or distracts from a relevant or important question. It may be either a logical fallacy or a literary device that leads readers or audiences toward a false conclusion.
Fuck off retard.

>>713557005
PC is freedom, and Japan hates freedom

>>713557918
I miss the multiplayer for ass creed, that shit was intense and fun

>>713558068
>>It's literally impossible to get friends together to play a game
Correct, it is literally impossible to force people to play a video game by law. That's why this movement doesn't accomplish anything.

>>713558068
> people can have multiple issues running at the same time which is why shit like this is even made so that people of different demographics and issues can talk about what matters to them.
Oh, now we're playing the "people can care about more than one thing" card—as if that’s some kind of trump argument instead of the default condition of any conscious organism. Congratulations, you’ve achieved Sentience Tier 0. But here's the legal reality you’re skipping in your kumbaya TED Talk about "issues that matter": digital license agreements are not ownership. You don’t own the game. You never did. You agreed to rent access to encrypted data bound by terms of service written by an army of corporate attorneys who could outmaneuver your entire comment with a semicolon.

You’re not Moses descending with stone tablets—you’re the guy shaking his fist at a EULA he never read.

"People can talk about what matters to them." Sure. But when what “matters” is trying to turn a non-binding European Citizens’ Initiative into some revolutionary anti-corporate thunderstrike, I’m legally—and intellectually—obligated to laugh. This petition has no legislative power. It’s symbolic—pure procedural theater. It’s designed to burn political oxygen, not produce legal fire. You don’t get to invoke “basic human rights” when your grievance hinges on a license revocation clause you scroll-passed while speedrunning the install.

This isn’t democratic discourse—it’s a cosplay protest stapled to the boilerplate of digital consumerism. You think you're storming Bastille.exe, but all you're doing is clicking "I Agree" in bold font and then crying when the terms get enforced.

This isn't resistance. It's TOS illiteracy wrapped in community theater.

You never owned your Steam games, but the people of Europe won't own their culture or their continent.

>>713547365
>>713547461
>garentee
>sraeli
SAAAAAAR!!!!!!!

Why did he do it? Why couldn't he just keep his stupid, uneducated opinions to himself?

>>713549658
What is the problem? Fascism is based.
Faggots just love to spit that word out when the government does anything they don't like and utterly fail to understand the purpose or nuances of Fascism. Fascism is just Roman dictatorship/imperial system with a couple modern modifications and not relying on bloodline.

>>713558538
I remember playing it a fair bit, a fun version of "The Ship" with AssCreed paint.

>>713546960 (OP)
翧 筌 韫 縏 I worked at winter storm
nepo 駰 晞 baby
沌 庅 韢 撂 Maldavius Figtree
MANA GEM 焷 藖 姤 鯟 鴰 柿 柽 COCKROACH
voice synth 嵌 領 渟 ferretfuck
佗 崅 耸 Animal Well 腿 嶟 谀 述 酡 自 纲
8 years 斎 碖 黴 圢 no game

>>713558793
post your Blizzard employee badge and then you're allowed to criticize your betters

Anons, is it really necessary to create obviously retarded bait posts to propel the discussion and the exposure of the topic?
Every single thread about this runs the same course as anons post the same retarded arguments "against" this, the rational conclusion is that it's deliberate by supporters in an effort to continue the coverage.
Well, that or some people with a lot of free time are exceptionally retarded.

>>713552510
>or is that just an entirely different single player mode that isn't fun
You're telling me you've NEVER played a multiplayer game by yourself?
Come the fuck on, fucking liar.

>>713558870
You look at /v/ on a good day and tell me that anons aren't retarded.

>>713558870
More arguments = Page 1 more often
Page 1 = More anons clicking in
More anons clicking in = More signatures*
*1 or 2 at best, but every bit helps

>>713547678
>we did it reddit moment
Rpss says Reddit is against this, it's up to /v/.

>>713558870
You are just asking anons whenever shitposting is worth their while, anon. What kind of answer are you going to expect?

>>713558706
TOS and EULA are not legally binding if I can argue that the terms are not well understood or demonstrably anti-consumer. I can't put in the EULA "you owe me $200 each time I say so" and expect a court to support that when no one pays.

Stop using AI to generate your replies.

Didn't read the rest lmao.

Reddit spacing.

What are some games you anons are playing that are old and left by the developers? I loaded into a Quake deathmatch server and got destroyed by a boomer that I also got a cheeky grenade launcher airshot on earlier this morning. It was fun.

Rossdrones are so annoying I want this shit to flop and Thor to win. Same reason I support Billy over Jobst.

>>713559329
shut up, thor

>>713559278
I wish I could play Tabula Rasa and AutoAssault again, but those games were killed and then locked away in NCsoft's vaul
although it's been so long now that I wouldn't be surprised if all the code rotted away and has become unsalvagable

>>713558706
>nyuh-uh you didn't read the fine print, neener neener neener

>>713559278
Monster Hunter 3 Tri.
Private servers that brought back half of the entire game was a blessing.

>>713553867
>buying a game would be buying its IP-holder rights
>games are not a good
imagine believing that

>>713559278
PS3 ad-hoc is SKG for the PSP/Vita

>>713559278
Jedi Academy

>>713558870
I'm sorry you have a difficult time explaining how this benefits me. Maybe that's why it failed.

>>713559278
Killing Floor

>>713554714
>An entirely seperate single player offline or private server mode that nobody plays will not fix anything or bring the actual game back.
Meanwhile people are still playing, for instance, Enemy Territory on community servers

>>713558870
>that or some people with a lot of free time are exceptionally retarded
Those are called Americans. Also lots and lots of paid shills.

>>713558949
I'm telling you a single player or private server version of Everybody's Golf, DayZ, ARK, Battlefield, Sea Of Thieves, Rocket League Fall Guys, etc etc etc etc is not a benefit to me as I do not enjoy playing these entirely different gameplay experience.

>>713559725
If you don't like being stolen from then it benefits you
If you don't mind being mugged by niggers or a kike bleeding you dry then no amount of convincing will work

>>713555257
>playing a game you own = infringe copyright
I truly hope you're a falseflagger
Either way please post more, you're doing a service to SKG cause

>>713559329
>dishonest rat that misconstrues arguments and thinks he’s a savant
Pirat is the Jobst in this situation.
Ross and Billy are the good guys.

>>713559843
I'm happy for them.

>>713555530
翧 筌 韫 縏 I worked at winter storm
nepo 駰 晞 baby
沌 庅 韢 撂 Maldavius Figtree
MANA GEM 焷 藖 姤 鯟 鴰 柿 柽 COCKROACH
voice synth 嵌 領 渟 ferretfuck
佗 崅 耸 Animal Well 腿 嶟 谀 述 酡 自 纲
8 years 斎 碖 黴 圢 no game

>>713559994
They wouldn't be different, just playable.

>>713560000
>schizobabble
Have a (You) and checked.

>>713556186
I think on stream he might've actually misunderstood but later he released a youtube video in which he turbo doubles down. Also he's a """dev""" making a multiplayer game so he's just acting in his own interest.

>>713560093
>that 60/60 NA_PvP server is no different than that 1/60 private server
I disagree.

>Muh shovelware should stay up FOREVER on the developer's dime even if nobody is paying for it!
>Democracy will support this!
>Despite every youtuber, newspaper and medias in every EU language shilling it 24/7 it flops as the people of Europe make an informed decision to not support communist nonsense
>REEEEE This is because of one American youtuber pointing out how retarded and harebrained our scheme is H-H-He's JUDAS!!!!!!!!!
Not a cult btw, they just want to fascistically want to ignore the peoples will and destroy capitalism and corporations.

>>713556785
>Why do you think that it would be different with video games?
Because he's a disingenuous niggerfaggot

>>713560251
He's not making a multiplayer game, he is a stakeholder in a company that is making one. Nah, the game he is making is an undertale clone which has the dumbest anti-piracy measure ever.

>>713560326
>Frog image
>Absolutely based as fuck post
Why is this the case every time?

>>713556290
even if it did, suicide squad, the infamous game that bankrupted WB gaming, was able to turn their MP game into SP quite easily. so i imagine it would be even easier if the companies plan in advance that they would have to be able to turn the game SP, so this argument is a literal meme.

>>713560326
>>Muh shovelware should stay up FOREVER on the developer's dime even if nobody is paying for it!
Stopped reading there. Give me the opportunity to make my own server if it is a multiplayer game or uncouple the single player component from a server. You can still sell the game, get passive income and it's no skin off your back if people are playing the game or not.

>>713557419
The fact that I can still play BOTH versions of this game, along with its online functionalities still intact, proves that Valve has already thought of what Ross wants and implemented it long before this petition was even a thing. Same goes for Underlords. All of these are live-service games that people sunk good money in and it would be unethical for Valve to just delete it out of existence.

>>713557593
Yeah we were
>goes through Diablo 2 campaign 30th time

>>713560484
Valve does a lot wrong but they are pretty good at giving the community tools to keep a game "alive" even if no one is playing it at any given time.

>>713559725
>pay for game
>play game whenever you want (companies can't forcibly take it away from you because it's no longer profitable)
I'm not entirely sure why this concept requires in-depth explanation but here's the gist of it in any case.

>>713560326
>if nobody is paying for it!
Yup, your tax dollars will go towards government mandated servers nobody will be playing on.

>>713549051
Asmongold can save this initiative, if not at least give it a big boost. He's our only hope.

>>713560475
Who's going to enforce the seizure and transfer of someone elses property to yourself?

>>713547109
>the goverments are controlled by corporations

Lobbyists should hang and the people should take back control over their goverments, I agree

>>713560769
I dunno, the same way that governments take my hard earned money through taxes to fund stupid fucking video games.

>>713546960 (OP)
I just want to be able to play games with my friends after the manufacturer's expiration date. games like starcraft, warcraft 3, counter strike, diablo 2, age of empires 2, etc. which still have a scene to this day because the online still works

>>713560882
I literally don't know anybody that doesn't want that but Thor

>>713560667
>the entire game is people getting together to play it
>nobody is here but at least you can stare at the terrain on an empty server, that will be 5 tax dollars plus tip.
Is it okay if I don't sign? This doesn't benefit me.

>>713560817
This is always the ironic part, government taking property and money from regular people is either seen as "just the way things are" or aren't even thought about, but the moment it is corporations then it is a problem.
If the government is going to spend my tax dollars on vidya development, I would at the very least want that vidya to be available to purchase in perpetuity.

>>713560950
>that will be 5 tax dollars plus tip
Where does this come from, why are you pulling out money

>>713560817
>I dunno
Is that why your movement failed? You should know these basic questions regarding your movement you support.

I can’t even imagine having a personal vendetta against Ross of all people.
Feel even worse for Ross who tried to be cordial and reach out to him just to be gobsmacked.

>>713558870
>Anons, is it really necessary to create obviously retarded bait posts to propel the discussion and the exposure of the topic?
Yes. Those threads are super fun.

>>713547567
To prevent them from thinking always online is a viable option.

>>713553994
>Why are you fighting so hard to make sure people don't own games?
Because I get fired if this reaches enough signatures

>>713560769
Me. All your server are belong to us.

>Euros have a chance to help in an industry not even the US can get a foot in to change
>"nah"
So the eurocuck meme is true afterall. At this time of need, euros just bow out.

>>713547895
>Called 'Pirate Software'
>Talking about Piracy on his discord gets you instabanned.
you can't be serious...

>>713561146
At least we got a heat map of based European nations and it just so happens to be the northern ones. Funny that.

>>713561030
Who is paying for the community servers if the IP holder isn't?

>>713561189
Pirate Software is the name of his dev team and yes, it's just performative and surface-level "rebelling".

>>713561221
Whoever chooses to run those servers? Nigger this shit ain't hard. I can make my own quake server right now and get faggots to play.

>>713560950
>nobody is here but at least you can stare at the terrain on an empty server
As opposed to not have any server at all? Yes, it's objectively better. Atleast you can play the game, if in an inferior state.
>dollars
You probably can't sign it anyways as it requires european citizenship.

>>713561342
>racist nazi
glad europe choose to reject this garbage far right reactionary movement

>>713560291
>every old game with server browsers should be deleted forever if it can't maintain 1000 ccu

>>713561189
you too? his discord was hilarious
>"ross didn't tell his fans not to bully thor"
>anon pulls up a comment from ross directly telling people not to bully thor
>anon tells people that it was the comment that thor deleted, twice
>"... WELL HE SHOULD OF MADE A VIDEO TELLING PEOPLE NOT TO HARRASS THOR"

>>713557769
>You are so right. We should just destroy all media older than five years
Absolutely and irredeemably based. Fuck the public domain. MOVE ON.

>>713561342
You're fine paying for online?

I just think its funnier if things fail

>>713561541
Servers aren't that expensive to run for a lot of games I play.
>Have ol' cheapo PC I don't even use anymore
>Load server tools and software for game
>Assign new static IP to it
>????
>Profit
Or if I have a beefy enough tower then run a server instance while playing the game.

>>713561381
>Atleast you can play the game
The gameplay of the game requires masses of other people competing with each other so no, I'm not playing anything. I'm touring a dead game's server.

>>713561449
Why would you say such a stupid thing?

>>713560726
He's a Thornigger though, defended Thor throughout wow drama and even made a video together with him
Rare Asmon L

>>713561609
It's funniest if you succeed when others want you to fail.

>>713561609
You're getting older every day. One day your favorite game will disappear too.

>>713560291
>friendless faggot cries that other people have friends to play games with and want to keep playing games with
lmao

>>713561657
Alright, enjoy paying twice for your internet.

What's with the fucking retarded trolling in these threads? This is stupid even by this board's low standards.

>>713560726
Asmongold is a gullible retard that exclusively plays MMOs, so he'll just see Thor saying "This will kill MMOs!" and not give a shit or go on stream to go "Uhhhh... yeah I saw that killing games thing... it sounds bad..."

>>713561609
it would be funnier if gacha devs were forced to make a real game and not run away with an EoS

https://youtu.be/gCtVOrd_iHA?si=Cj6lSgL-PE2gn2vb
AAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>713561818
... how do you niggers pay for your internet, per device? I got unlimited with a good bandwidth in fucking Australia of all god damn places.

>>713561745
Because that's the same argument used by people who say that games shouldn't be playable after EoS since you won't be able to host a massive server for it.

>>713561856
I thought this retard was okay with games dying?

>>713561848
You accepted the ToS so it's your fault, bucko. Try reading them next time.

>>713561923
I wouldnt be surprised if he used this to pivot his rebrand redemption arc

>>713561839
It’s easy and someone always responds, it’s that simple

>>713561907
Yeah, and why did you quote that to me? I didn't say that.

>>713546960 (OP)
Why so many faggots are against this? Imagine bootlicking a corporation, just like LGBTfags do...

>>713561771
my favorite game is not dependent on online servers doe

I have played gacha games that was just given to a community after EoS and it's the shallowest type of game ever made when you just have everything unlocked and that people literally paid double-digit money for a moving gif.

>>713561839
Which posts were trolling?

>>713561221
The community? The people hosting the COMMUNITY servers?

>>713561609
I think it's funnier if you trip down the stairs.

>>713561923
Do you think the irony of him killing the momentum for an initiative that is trying to stop games being killed off and then a game he supports is being killed off, do you think the irony of the situation, the self-awareness will ever hit him?

>>713561657
>for a lot of games I play
Keyword, depends on the games you're hosting. Good luck running game servers that are CPU & RAM hungry. But knowing how disingenuous you're about this, you are just shitposting.

>>713562094
We must...unite the right.

>>713562187
>narcissist
>self-awareness
lol

>>713562165
You're fine paying for the game twice?

>>713562189
Failing my home solution, I wonder how much it costs to rent a server that has good ram and CPU (GPU not so much because rendering things is more of a client thing)
https://www.serversaustralia.com.au/marketplace/buy-dedicated-servers
Keep in mind this is in dollarydoos so even cheaper for yanks and euros. Depending on the allocation of resources that a server requires for each game, I reckon I can run multiple server instances because that's how it works on my own home setup.

>>713562298
So that people who bought the game can keep playing? Sure. Better than the servers being shut down forever and the game being lost to time.

>>713562187
You have to understand that Thor has that same ego alot of baby boomers had back then that cannot allow themselves to admit they were wrong on a particular subject that they defended, especially to people younger or deem beneath them.

>>713562298
just stop trolling

>>713547861
The idea is for companies have an "end of life" plan for their future games. Aka leaving a game in playable state.
If your game needs to connect to online servers to be able to be played, there should be a plan to make it play without online connectivity in the future.
For example Gran Turismo 7 Career Mode cannot be played without connecting to Sony's servers. There should be a patch available to fix the game so you can access all of it's content, rather than be blocked for no apparent reason. PERSONALLY, I think with MMORPGs you should be able to at least play in offline mode of some sorts. But in future devs can develop it alongside their game.

>>713562187
Not one iota of self-awareness or humility exists in his head. He’s performing olympian level mental gymnastics as we speak to come up with an excuse for why it doesn’t count in this one particular instance and that he’s still in the right.

>>713562402
I also found a service which can make dedicated servers for you for specific games cheaper than what I posted
https://www.g-portal.com/en/gameserver/index
So really, anyone who says this is all super expensive is blowing it out of proportion.

>>713562298
>guy goes out of his way to make a server
>throw him $5 as a thanks
>get to play game I wanna play
not a bad deal

>>713561923
>its bad to keep games alive unless its something I like
the guys just two faced

>>713556992
Just a bit of a update on the numbers, it was around 22.000 and now that it's a new day it's around 13.634.

LETS GO /v/ WE CAN DO THIS

>>713562405
Cuck
>>713562416
Cuck
>>713562590
Cuck

>>713559687
mb2 devs are pozzed but at least they're workin on it still

>>713552510
Anon, I don't think it in that case benefits you RIGHT NOW. Not because you are greedy or something, but because you don't happen to play a game that has content you like locked behind internet connectivity and such. I think personally that you benefit in future by knowing that a company cannot destroy your game by blocking your access to content when they feel like it.

Just because you don't benefit instantly from killing pests in your apartment, doesn't mean it would benefit you in future. I hope you understand and aren't trolling or being ironic.
Like seriously, please promise in your family's name and honor that you aren't trolling.

>say word
>money not stolen
Imagine.

>>713563042
>in two more weeks this will benefit you
Doesn't look like it since you can't mandate that a server be populated, just that the server exists, and this means nothing to me and never will. Also, you need to learn to accept criticism.

>>713563042
I don't think I benefit from devs being forced to abandon modern network architecture, neither as a consumer nor as a programmer.

>>713562943
>Cuck
Letting people play the game
>Not cuck
Bending over backwards for corpo cock

Current software world is bloated
Same with server architecture
Computer programming has fallen
Billions of indians must die
Retvrn to tradition.

>>713547895
>Chad Ross: I want people to be able to play the games they bought for as long as they want for centuries to come.
>Virgin PirateSoftware: NOOOOOO MY HECKIN LIVE SERVICE GAME HAS TO END MY HECKIN COMMUNERINO IS OPPRESSED SHUT IT DOWN!
Wow what a fuckin hero...

>>713561189
He's a corporate shill pretending to be a "fellow gamer".

>>713546960 (OP)
I signed because this goes beyond videogames. This could apply to software and even consumer goods/right to repair as a whole. There are zero reasons as to why a consumer would be against this. It's all fun and games to laugh at braindead normalfags and gacha coom sloppers who get fooled giving their money to products like these until corporate kikes encroach on every little thing that actually matters

>>713563280
>government requires corpos to release tools and allow possibility for community server to be made
>you can't guarantee community will form THEREFORE THIS IS BAD AND POINTLESS
That's it, that's the stupidest thing I've heard today. How don't you forget to breathe sometimes?

>>713546960 (OP)
I would sign but alas I am in burgerland. Best of luck!

>>713563379
>cuck
>paying twice for other people to play a game
Yes.

>>713561662
>The gameplay of the game requires masses of other people
No. It does not require masses even if you're specifically referring to MMOs. You can play the game fine with a smaller group, not to mention that many private servers exist for MMOs which can amass the """required""" mass easily.
> I'm touring a dead game's server.
Even if I'd grant every point you made, which would be complete lunacy, touring a dead MMO is STILL better when compared to literally nothing.
You're comparing "basically nothing" which is extremely subjective mind you, with literally nothing, which is objective.

But you're purposefully shifting to topic to MMOs, while most games isn't made for large audiences anyways.

>>713563351
It would benefit society if they do more honest jobs like agriculture or repairing cars instead of wasting overone's times and money by making overexpensive goyslop software.

>>713563761
>Paying once to never play a game

>>713563642
>corpos
Post immediately discarded.

>>713563772
>You can play the game fine with a smaller group
No I can't you gaslighting troll.

>>713562187
he'd rather livestream his own suicide than take a loss

Why do we suddenly care about how Developers and publishers are going to implement shit? I thought the general attitude was "not my problem" when it came to devs and their excuses over games
See: /v/ celebrating when devs get fired.

>>713555506
you got rekt so hard by that fag its hilarious lmao

>>713563915
I hope he does

>>713563893
Anon, you are ignoring the private WoW servers that already exist and have niche player numbers. It's perfectly playable.

>>713563642
>government requires corpos to release tools and allow possibility for community server to be made
That is one possible solution but there's something even simpler. Stop pretending that GaaS are goods instead of services and actually require the stores to give the customer at least a rough timeframe when the game will be shut down. Also switch the buy/purchase button with "rent".

>i'm not a euro so it wont affect me anyway
Apple stopped shipping their devices with its gay proprietary lightning chargers worldwide because the EU ruled it anticompetitive. The corporations can only fuck us as much as the most regulated regions will allow them to.

>>713563956
i like videogames

>>713564062
So do I, whatcha playin'?

>>713563893
You can play the game. This is not up for debate. You can hit the play button then enter the game's world and do the things you normally can. As opposed to hitting the play button and not being able to enter the world.

Please get better bait material, now you're just trying to argue something that's factually incorrect in your case. You're not going to get a lot of new posters in the thread with such weak bait as it will cause me to drop interest real fast.

>>713547949
Based

>>713553286
You understand that this would ripple all the way over to the US and make it beneficial for literally all of us, right? It's just that the US sucks and the EU has methods for the people to actually affect the laws, hence we do it in the EU.

>Hmm, I haven't played Ratchet Deadlocked in a while, I wonder how it still plays
>Load up emulator
>Get to title screen
>Sorry since no one is playing this game, you can't play it
>Retards see nothing wrong with this.
I even chose that game specifically because people have made their own servers to continue playing it.

>>713563956
Not all of us are narcissistic children like you

>>713557918
Thanks ChatGPT

>>713547678
Reddit literally hates SKG because its toxic and hurts the feelings of big corpo devs

>>713564507
Based CHADditor W

>>713563956
/v/ celebrates when devs get fired because the devs are shit at their jobs and make terrible games

>>713564016
You're ignoring the games that aren't.
>>713564197
>You can play the game.
Looks like I can't since the entire game was people competing against each other and there are no longer people.

>>713563956
"not my problem" until it becomes a conflict of interest, at which point it will be defended like there's no tomorrow as it all turns into hypocrisy.
>devs getting fired
>corporate shills defending companies: "not my problem and not yours either!!"
>pro-consumer government regulation imminent
>corporate shills defending companies: "YOU SHOULD SUDDENLY CARE ABOUT THIS SO WE WON'T GET HIT!"

>>713548214
but you own a license to play the game, not the game itself
companies could legally send people to your home to take your games away, it's just not worth it

>>713547390
It's your problem, you just can do anything about it.

>>713564108
I'm playing Ninja Gaiden 2 for the first time and its fun, if I had one complaint it was putting the proper wallrun controls tutorial 3 rooms after you needed to know to push the stick directly at the wall instead of towards the direction of the wallrun you wanted to do

>>713564675
Yeah that's fair, hope you enjoy the rest of the game. Where you up to so far?

>>713564046
Steam refunds exist because of EU

>>713564593
you lost, doubling down on your retardation isn't going to change anything, just learn from your idiocy and shut the fuck up

>>713548214
Out of curiosity, how old are you? I want to pin down the exact age when people no longer understand how anything works

>>713564758
Aussies were the first ones to fight for refunds actually.

>>713564850
Shame they got kangarood

>>713564593
Now you're trying to argue that you can't play football with 2 friends unless you have two complete teams.

Play
verb
to engage in sport or recreation
to engage or take part in a game

Fun fact, the number of people are not part of the definition, therefore -again- you're incorrect.
If you're still doing this to bump the thread, please figure out something better because I won't respond to your next post as there's no point in arguing something that's an objective fact.

do niggers still actually think that devs/publishers would need to perpetually run servers if the initiative passed
how fucking stupid are you

>>713564731
just killed the Statue of Liberty and they made me play as a shrine maiden with fat fuckin' milkers

>>713564987
Most of it is contrarians fishing for (You)s.

>>713546960 (OP)
At what signature count is the checkpoint? Looks like we will have to load a save on this game.

>>713565060
Based game enjoyer, well have fun. And yes, those milkers are fuckin' fat.

>>713564760
Glad to be done talking to you.
>>713564961
That is correct, I can't play 60 man free for all with 2 men. Glad we agree.

>>713564987
How does paying twice for a game benefit me?

>>713565319
How is that even related whatsoever

>>713565408
Who is paying for the server?

>>713565443
When the game is ran by the publishers? Whales.
When the game is ran by the community? People willing to pay for community perks.
Same shit different day.

>>713564364
>because people have made their own servers to continue playing it.
You have to join the discord and join at scheduled times when people are on, or get a group of friends to run games.
Remember to install the custom maps by the way.

>>713565443
you run it on your own pc with tools that the devs/publishers release?
like UT99, a 26 year old game?
Don't need to pay for that

>>713547109
Then at least we'll have a definitive answer.

>>713564758
i wish we could sell our games for actual money like they can do in Washington

>Already having trouble reaching the daily goal
It's already over unfortunately.

>>713565542
>I am paying for it
Ok good for you. I'm not because an empty sever isn't a game and I'm not a cuck.

>>713565821
It was over months ago

>>713546960 (OP)
I’m a chadmerican, I don’t give a fuck about your faggy petition

What I find amazing about this petition is just how much it highlighted the sheer stupidity of corporate cocksuckers.
Literally every single retard against that petition have been attacking points that simply don't exist, the amount of time someone parroted outright lies is hilarious.
The entire thing have been about enforcing end of life updates after the devs abandoned it, aka asking to release a final update that allow people to still play the game after it died, but the amount of time some retard seethe about how it's about "forcing the developers to maintain their games indefinitely" is astonishing.

Commiunists and anarchists are just jews who are bad with money

The more arguments I hear, the more I realize that proprietary middleware is the real devil.

>>713555506
>Glad to be done talking with you.
>>713556465
>Glad to be done talking to you.
>>713565240
>Glad to be done talking to you.
You don't seem to be "Glad" at all. You're looking for the endless discussion with purposefully unagreeable arguments that you create.

Is it really just one retard who shitposts in this thread all day?

>>713566114
How does playing an empty private server designed to be a 60 man PvP benefit me?

>>713566114
>anon is confused
>it hurt itself in its confusion
It's ok, you may be retarded but you're in good company here.

>>713565939
True, but you'd figure it'd get some boost from people making videos on it again.

>>713566259
If all you're going to do is meta post about me then add yourself to the list. Glad to be done talking to you.

NOOOOOOOO STOP DEMANDING REGULATIONS AGAINST COMPANIES TO NOT FUCK THE CUSTOMER IN THE ASS!
I'LL DEFINITELY BE A CEO ONE DAY BECAUSE I WORKED VERY HARD!

>>713566274
this nigger has no friends to play with kek

Charlie made a video on this earlier, I wonder how much of an impact it'll have. Looks like PS was getting turbobashed on his stream chat and comments for a lot of his recent videos though.

>>713565821
It was at like 20k a couple hours ago so the day might have rolled over already and it's only just starting to pick up.

>>713566114
That's because he isn't misunderstanding the initiative, it's just that he and his industry pals would lose money if it worked. He wasn't being retarded bringing up pitfalls in SKG that didn't exist, he was cynically (correctly) assuming his audience was too stupid to not take his word for it.

>>713566274
private servers wouldn't benefit you but they'd benefit me because i'm not a fag that gets ostracized from online communities

>>713566279
>forced video game analogies
Jason when you say things like "splash damage" when you mean "unintended consequences" it's actually really gay. You're pushing 40, you don't need a voice changer to start talking like an adult. Stay frosty.

>>713566536
dunno how many euros watch him. did they oust Kaia? he was always cool.

>>713566515
this nigger has no signatures to pass an innitiative

>>713566767
?

>>713566702
>private servers wouldn't benefit you
Ok. Then that's why someone like me wouldn't sign your communist agenda.

>>713566702
I don't benefit from devs being forced to abandon modern server architecture
Neither as a consumer or as a developer
You just want free shit

>>713566790
>huh what initiatives, what signatures?
Lmao no fucking wonder you guys lost

>>713566929
?

>>713565821
>>713566297
>>713566665
We're at +14.674 and the day is just getting started.

>>713565908
can you repeat that without tears in your eyes next time

>>713566902
Is modern server architecture really all that it is cracked up to be if it isn't easily redeployable? In this modern world where servers are constantly being bought and used that seems counter-intuitive.
t. IT code monkey that sees the server guys constantly maintaining the company servers.

>>713556290
Even with something like The Crew or Need for Speed allowing people to play offline isn't turning it into a single player game any more than it already was. The game practically already worked offline as a "single player" game, because if your internet disconnected it would just give you some stupid message and let you keep playing through the story.

Ex Valve dev does not like ross or stop killing games. People are mad, saying his take is worse than pirate softwares.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr6I2BiU238
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOPqzsl7Ey0

>>713566837
but you're not even european, anon, you're a sycophant for an insecure narcissist because he reminds you of your LGS alpha neckbeard

>>713566902
>You just want free shit
actually faggot i want to keep the shit i already payed for. if devs are forced to abandon the matchmaking-only seasonslop that's the current status quo even better, but i doubt they would.

>>713567279
Are you fine with not having the mandate put on games that never were single-player to begin with, or do you just want every IP for free regardless?

>>713567330
I don't understand how an ex-valve dev would be against it, every valve game to my knowledge already has EoL plans that allow the community to continue playing the game.

>>713567343
Reading comprehension

>>713567015
>Is modern server architecture really all that it is cracked up to be if it isn't easily redeployable?
It is easily redeployable - on the cloud platforms it was built for. In fact spinning up updated instances, establishing failovers, and scaling to demand are vastly easier and cheaper than they were on a traditional server platform. It's also dramatically more secure, which is important because these days software companies have to work very hard to protect their proprietary code from decompilation.

>>713567279
>but muh phone home games
Those aren't the only games that exist and the petition does not limit itself to disabling phone home DRM, this is a pointless thing to say.

>>713566902
>I don't benefit from engineers being forced to abandon modern vehicle architecture (seatbelts and airbags are introduced)
>I don't benefit from doctors being forced to abandon modern therapy practices (Therac-25 removed from use for killing people)
>I don't benefit from chemists being forced to abandon modern paint recipes (removing literal poison, pic related)
Current day technology is the best it can ever be okay?! Please forget about the fact that current tech replaced something else!

>>713567437
It makes sense since Valve doesn't want you to own anything. They basically invented this concept.

>>713567437
Chet lost his marbles a long time ago. His ramblings are barely coherent.

>>713566665
I know, but I meant that you'd expect there to be a big burst of activity. I don't want to be a doomer, but if this is the big burst, then it likely won't keep up.

>>713567591
>lost
why do you retards always talk like this

>>713567527
>adding seatbelts is akin to forcing developers to abandon twenty years of tech updates
You're retarded, a better analogy would be forcing car companies to return to the Model T.

>>713567663
it's in the dictionary

>gained like 10k signatures in 1 day
NOOOOOOOOOOO AAAAYEEEE THOR HELP ME

>>713567515
Honestly I dunno why people fear decompilation so much. Yes, it does have consequences but to me from what I have observed anyway in the software space is that decomps are either on old pieces of code for programs not being used anymore or are so niche that it doesn't affect much. I know about legacy code, but that's a different topic of bloatware and the absolute state of programming. Honestly, trying to battle against decomp is like battling against piracy: It's going to mainly affect the average law abiding consumer.

>>713567560
For Steam sure, but Valve games themselves are still pretty consumer friendly with even games like Artifact and Underlords which were massive disappointments to Valve still having some way to play them.

Freedom won. Liberty won. Choice won.
Suck a dick statists.

Not today communists

I remember threads from almost a year ago shilling this petition and they were literally exactly the same. The same gigachad EU guy image, the same "OMG why are people defending corporations there are literally no downsides to supporting this" posts, the same "everyone that tells us to fuck off is an Indian/bot/Ubisoft employee" response over and over. How much time did you discord fags waste on this pointless campaign?

>>713567515
>Those aren't the only games that exist and the petition does not limit itself to disabling phone home DRM, this is a pointless thing to say.
Those are the only games where it would really be "changing them to single player games" or resemble anything like that though.

>>713568401
jesus man how often do you use 4chan? go outside once in a while

>>713566902
>modern architecture demands 2000 microservices baked into your code with absolutely zero abstraction
FIX: did this pass a LLD review? When integration tests fail spectacularly I'm not letting you push this into main because "its just a config issue". Write providers and stop mainlining the AWS SDK everywhere. You'll thank me when cloud formation decides to shit the bed over a bad role ARN
Oh and boss wants to avoid another GDPR and SOC situation so this'll make writing simple mock services easier to prove were compliant

For future reference, it becomes brutally apparent that you're a junior engineer if you've never architected code for compliance sake. Were no longer in the wild west; companies and agencies already demand you build your code to meet their requirements.

I find it funny when the criticism to SKG boils down to "this would kill live service games"
Good. I miss when games weren't slop service. I miss when we had community servers and not seasonal matchmaking goyslop. Sorry, big brother AI banned you for saying GG in chat and now your $80 purchase is invalidated.

>>713567330
oh shit a VALVE guy is against this? i bet he has a good reason
>i'm not going to argue the points Ross is making but here's le epic nacho hat and a vague analogy!

two for two. i hope Randy Pitchford weighs in soon.

>>713568505
another deflection
go back to your Ross discord

>>713547282
>coping instead of actually doing anything
at least all the other people are willing to take action unlike you slug

>>713568540
Someone sounds like they know what they are talking about server wise, what's your thoughts on potential solutions that developers can do if this was to be put to law? I want to hear what are the technicals of it so that I can in my mind get a better idea on what the future could look like.

>>713567491
Time to hire an actual netdev and not use the backend to blizz servers i guess, boyo
Try looking for indian programmers i hear they're very cost effective

>>713567330
>>713568567
>retarded zoomers don't know Chet Faliszek

>>713547678
>>713550468
uneducated retards unaware of how citizens' initiatives work in the EU moment

>>713566274
Get people together? Maybe a community event? Maybe you just sit back and masturbate to the map. I don't know, it's YOUR game.

>>713568819
who are you quoting?

How many times are you retards going to cite this as a technical infeasibility?

>>713567330
>writer
why would I care what this dude says?

Some complaints I have heard for example, is when you have had an old game with all your data and the servers close because a new game came out even though it's pretty much the same game like Gran Turismo. So of course they want you to get the new game and move on, but its of less quality, and not only that, but the gathering of your information in order to sell you shit. The massive updates, unfinished games. Micro transactions and other stupid shit that no one else would put up with in other media. Video games make so much money and its probably even bigger than movies and music combined, but corporations are ducking greedy as ever with these video games. There has to be more regulations.

>>713568887
Nobody cares about you putler puppets

>>713548082
Look up Star Stable.

>>713568784
not the guy you're responding to but would it really have to be that complicated? i think forcing devs to dump their source code and then providing legal protections for those companies in case anyone makes malware out of Rocket League or whatever would literally be enough.

>>713551684
>>713552038
>>713552510
>>713563280
HOLY FUCKING MEGA CONTRARIAN STRAWNMANNING FALSEFLAGGING RETARD

if this guy isn't getting paid by anyone he should be. He was born to play the part of the retarded brainwashed counterprotester

>>713568819
I only know Eric Wolpaw and Marc Laidlaw. I'm glad his vision for Episode 3 never came to fruition.

>>713559278
Battlefield 4. I am gonna cry if that gets shut down

>>713547678
>Nay

You might actually want to re-evaluate that opinion:

> Terms to avoid:
> * Terms that give the trader the unilateral right to cease, modify or withdraw the purchased digital content or services or the purchased in-game virtual currencies at any moment in an unfair manner
> * Terms which deny or limit consumers their legal rights or their ability to exercise those rights, including when making purchases using in-game virtual currencies
> * Terms giving unilateral rights to traders to remove content or features in the video game at any moment, particularly if the content or feature is purchasable for consumers, and consu- mers could expect it to remain at the time of purchase
>
> -- https://commission.europa.eu/document/8af13e88-6540-436c-b137-9853e7fe866a_en


These are guidelines jointly written by the EU Commission and the various national enforcement bodies of the EU's individual member states.
This constitutes their interpretation of the EXISTING (!!) EU-wide legislation, and what they - moving forward - will be basing their enforcement on.

Or in short: SKG has already won.

>>713569168
the day i can't make vehiclewhores mad will be a dark day indeed...

>>713569079
Not an argument.

>>713569168
funny story, i got my dad a PS5 for his birthday because he kept complaining that BF4 didn't work on his PS4 anymore. i assumed dice shut down the servers for it.

so he unpacks it and logs into his PSN account and puts the disc in. lo and behold BF4 still has servers, but his disc was just scratched. for some reason it worked on the PS5. his copy of siege still worked on the 4 so it wasn't like a laser issue or anything.

>>713569032
What you're describing is significantly more complicated, at least in terms of what would have to be done in terms of existing law. It's far easier to slap a new regulation into the book that says "Companies that did not leave their software in a usable state at EoL will be subject to X, Y, or Z penalties. Users who purchased the software are entitled to X, Y, or Z compensation."

Courts would interpret and refine it from there, obviously, but what you're describing would require retooling copyright law itself. And that... might be a worthwhile goal, actually, but it isn't the fight we need to fight right now.

>>713569321
you have brain damage my dude

>>713568784
Personally, I'm skeptical that abusing microservices in this way is even valuable anymore. Amazon themselves has even opted to stop using microservices like this for their video streaming platforms. The overhead just became far too much to make it valuable.
That said, the solution obviously isn't building a monolith in all aspects and doing things like rolling your own auth or cold storage. However, you normally would write these in such a way that you could easily mock them or abstract them from your code. An example of all this going tits up is the recent outage for a majority of massive websites all caused by a single microservice being attached to another microservice that had a significant failure. https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-service-outage-june-12-2025/
The bottom line is that its not that hard for new projects which is what this is advocating for. It's also not the first time that developers were forced to comply with EU regulations (see GDPR)

>>713569486
>>713569321

>>713555530
>?si=2ukw-gIPJQQ4w1yC
>>713561856
>?si=Cj6lSgL-PE2gn2vb
thank you for your service, mossad

>>713547895
>>713561189
The real reason is for when you look up stuff like "pirate (Game)" or "pirating websites" his stuff might come up. It's purely for SEO.

>>713553263
Moreover, that very same set of guidelines produced a few months ago, already contained THIS: >>713569281

I.e. the EU is already very acutely aware of the situation, is of the mind that shit companies are pulling doesn't fly and a buy should be a buy that as much as possible should be retainable in working order, and is already going to enforce based on that.

>>713569032
>forcing devs to dump their source code
while this would be ideal, this is exactly the thing devs are seething over since it means every game that uses middleware with restrictive licensing would need to either remake said middleware themselves, or change the middleware
just as a very basic example, you use havok physics, well you can't release that you now need to make a proprietary solution or switch to something like bullet, both of these are things codemonkeys will scream over because it's extra work (short term, once it's done it's done but wah wah want to collect pay and not work)

and you have to apply this to every single piece of middleware, which modern games are filled with

>>713569079
kill yourself
SKG shills are the contrarians as evidenced by their complete failure to attract any support for their cause

>>713569475
Couldn't it just be a variance that says "Yes, Blizzard still owns the rights to Warcraft the IP, but end users that have purchased the game are entitled to modify and distribute the server end software at their own risk?"

>>713569560
I think that came off as more disjointed than I would have liked...
Imagine an incoming water line with a special fitting.. You need to get water from it but you could get water from others in the future. Maybe even source it yourself. Each would have its own special fitting though.
You could just get a special adapter and fit a new hose to each when you need it but that means everything is reliant on that adapter. If you decide to remove that line in the future,you'd have to change that adapter everywhere.
Alternatively, you could build your own adapter that accepts a wide range of these possible fittings. If it ever changes, you only have to change one spot and not every time that connection is made.
Obviously replace "water line" with say Amazons storage buckets and other services. Hopefully that makes more sense.

>>713564850
>Aussies were the first ones to fight for refunds actually.

The case against Valve in Australia was because of products that failed fitness for purpose, or otherwise failed to conform to contract. It was not about no holds barred refunds within N days of purchase.

The latter stems solely from the EU.
The reason Valve (and EA actually a short time before them) created such a refund policy, is that the only reason the EU Commission was willing to tolerate the addition of a waiver clause for consumers' given right of withdrawal allowing them to back out of any distance sale within 14 days, would be if the industry would provably not abuse the waiver and would instead erect commercial refund policies that would still be compatible with their business model but simultaneously also honor the spirit of the original given right appropriately. The industry was specifically warned that if they were to be found abusing the waiver, and not offering consumer suitable commercial alternative, the EU would strike the waiver from the legislation again - at that point leaving the whole industry up shit creek without a paddle.

The big industry representatives like Valve, EA, et al. took that warning seriously. And hence their commercial refund policies.

>>713567679
>companies build in kill switches
>the people buying the product complain that maybe kill switches should be either removed, or products with them should be labeled as such
>stop being such a bigot! The billion dollar companies need to have these kill switches installed

Ok. You are literally retarded, but sure. Stick to it. If there was a good analogy, we would not need a fucking push for changes in law. This is a digital era problem. Not just a digital era problem, its a modern problem. Thanks to ownership rights being slowly eroded, and companies wanting to sell you the cake, and keep it at the same time.
There is literally 1 reason why someone who purchased a game could not run the same server code on their own PC. Literally 1. Corporate greed. There are no technological limits, there are no fears of abuse, or hell even the terror of "what if they start selling that game!!!!!". That is already illegal. The only thing this whole movement is pushing for, is that, if you pay for something, you can't have it taken away at a whim.
And that is it.
You are literally defending the right of a company to at any point, for any reason, take away your purchase.
Why?

>>713570407
>companies build in kill switches
Fumbled at the fucking gate
Stopped reading here

no right to repair. software is in even worse state. fuck,

>>713546960 (OP)
Is anyone making posters or memes to post on other sites to promote SKG

>>713570464
>bro the server on this shitty ubisoft faux-mmo going down is the same as john deere holding tractors ransom
You do yourself no favors with this hyperbole

>>713569560
>>713570334
I see, so it's mostly getting companies to shift from relying entirely on services and middleware to make more adaptable in house software to connect any services that they require, which amazon themselves have stated should be the right way to go about it? That makes sense.

>>713570518
that's fine though because the EU is trying to ban farming

>>713570518
>dude anti-consumer corporation overreach is different than anti-consumer corporate overreach

>>713569032
a lot of studios are using proprietary shit in their games that they don't own but have a license to use but not distribute. full source disclosure isn't always possible and sometimes even knowing what is ok requires auditing everything.

>>713570079
afaik stop killing games isn't even asking for that directly, it's an option but really it sounds like they just want basic cooperation as far as like not directly fucking with community servers and such

>>713570504
Cringe.
>>713570532
>every company building their own proprietary solution for the same task makes sense
No, no it really doesn't. Resources are not infinite.

>>713570079
See >>713568946
But yeah deals, would either have to be made or code monkeys would have to build against proper patterns to allow for it.
IMO, 3pp would probably opt for some legal deal to allow for it or some stripped distribution to comply. Give enough smart people less than a percent of a yearly earning and it'll get done.
More realistically, I'm sure some company will fill the need with a cheap, AI laden solution.

>>713566902
>>713567679
>>713570450
Yet another retarded strawman.
Just admit you want to see games destroyed and you don't care about what gets preserved

>>713570558
That you had to resort to extreme reduction means I already won and you know it

>>713570079
>the thing devs are seething over since it means every game that uses middleware with restrictive licensing would need to either remake said middleware themselves
The devs are retarded. This going trough would be first of all, not retroactive. So games already made, would be exempt, as its standard with any new law.
Second, middleware would have to either bend the knee, or be obliterated. The devs for some reason think the middleware peddlers would be able to hold them by the balls, when in reality those middleware devs are the ones in danger, since they can't demand such strict licensing agreements. As if they do, nobody can legally use their code.
It literally would be a massive boon for any actual game dev in the long term. But no, its literally the american dream delusion, they will surely release a big viral live service game one day, and they need to protect their potential future earnings, even if it not only fucks their industry, it also fucks over every consumer, including themselves.

>>713570584
Resources may not be infinite but over reliance on centralized services is also a huge detriment to the modern software world.
CrowdStrike for example.

>>713569321
not an argument

>>713570641
Won what nigger?
>dude, this is bad
>WELL THIS THING IS WORSE

>>713570450
>being able to upload a patch that bricks your game is not a kill switch
>being able to literally turn off a proverbial, or literal switch to turn off access to the game is not a kill switch
Ok buddy. You sure did show me.

>>713550468
>You'd have much better luck petitioning smaller individual government entities

Ross tried that. It was a dead end because every smaller entity just gave non-answers like "games must follow regulation", when there's literally no regulation on game ownership whatsoever; or they played a game of hot potato saying another entity should deal with that. I've seen every follow up video and you'd know this if you did too. You're either misinformed or misleading on purpose.

>Just do more work to solve this nonexistent problem, you greedy corporations can afford to
>WTF the price of games went up again!

You lost

>>713568946
lol a retard made this diagram
please tell me Ross put this stupid piece of shit on an official document

>>713570642
>just get rid of middleware!

>>713570676
You're correct from an operations standpoint in a world where you have infinite time and money and access to programmers with the skills necessary to build these services.
In reality software is already working with tiny margins and asking every developer to build out everything that is currently handled by middleware is insane (and a massive waste of productivity, we don't need 100 redundant proprietary microservices)

>>713570761
Maybe you can cut development costs by getting rid of HR roasties and other jobs that aren't related to development...

whatever PR firm is sending people in here, just letting you know your talking points are pretty weak. It's kind of clear you're just grasping at straws because you can't find one solid counterstrategy to hone in on

>>713570840
now you want to regulate that to? mind your own business

>>713570707
>being able to upload a patch that bricks your game is not a kill switch
It's cute that you think this is what happens

>>713570761
Alright, raise prices. I won't buy it. Figure out how to budget a 20 hour dev time end of life plan.

>>713557918
Of course the DBSpic doesn't give a shit about anything

>>713570761
>do more work
>not having servers running 24/7 is somehow more work
>not having to build in server infrastructure into your games
>price goes up when the cost of production goes down
At least you are partially right. While you are wrong that the devs would somehow have to spend more to make games completely offline, when its the opposite. Where having to split systems into 2 to have them running trough a central server, is something that requires more work. The price would in fact go up. Because why would any company refuse an opportunity to raise prices and blame a 3rd party.

>>713570892
I'm not saying regulate that aspect, just pointing out the modern corporate world is bloated by HR departments, middle managers and "bullshit" jobs.

>>713570958
>this entire post

>>713570262
Not really, no. The issue being that code falls under copyright protection. Again, we want to avoid excessive modification to existing copyright law. It's not within SKG's current scope. Nor should it be.

>>713553263
more accurately they care about fining big company gorillions of dollars for little infractions which is every new EU law

>>713571017
>no you see the 20 hour devtime offline patch will cost BILLIONS of dollars

>>713548976
>if you are able to keep things offline running on your own computer without DRM or anything

>>713571202
To be fair, that might be true if they put a modern fuckwit business associates suit in charge. Those fuckers couldn't budget a lemonade stand without embezzling millions somehow.

>>713570532
Tech likes to latch onto a new paradigm every couple years or so. Microservices were a big one. Funny enough most would normally already be in-house.
But no, not rolling their own. Just making their software adaptable to accepting any microservice that fits that "shape". This way they could do things like "mocking" responses from these services such that they "seem" real. This is often a pattern for testing.

>>713570829
Are you seriously that confused by basic design patterns? Here: https://github.com/rpg101a/Design-Patterns/blob/main/Gang%20of%20Four%20Design%20Patterns%204.5.pdf
Good luck with your code bootcamp, kid

>>713571325
>>713571202
>NEETs with zero programming or work experience imagine they understand the world
Every time

>>713571492
>this diagram is retarded and was clearly made by someone that has no idea what they're doing
>"why are you so confused!?"
lol Chet really had it pinned huh

>>713570896
Yeah, man if only we had any companies that did this. Man, if only you could have watched a single video on stop killing games. You might not have such dumb takes.
>>713571017
I can make a game that runs locally. When I tried making a game that runs on a server, most of that code would be from a 3rd party, plugins I had to use either trough a "free" license, or pay for in one way or another. And the work balooned. Needless to say, that is the point where I dropped my mmo ambitions.
So yeah, making a game run locally is so much easier. Its not even comparable. And that is ignoring the added security efforts you need, when you are letting random people connect to your server where you might be holding user data of any sort. SONY is great at that aren't they.

>>713566536
>world's biggest slop creator giving a fence sitting mid take while still giving that retard Thor the benefit of the doubt
I hate that nigger so much

>>713571492
https://thenewstack.io/return-of-the-monolith-amazon-dumps-microservices-for-video-monitoring/

>>713571492
Ah makes sense.
It's also funny to see someone who knows about software being on the pro SKG side since /v/ has so many threads of self-proclaimed tech guys that seem like they know something but say it is impossible with modern design for us to go back to the standard from 20 years ago (IE: self hosted dedicated servers even after development has ended).

>>713571573
>I can make a game that runs locally. When I tried making a game that runs on a server, most of that code would be from a 3rd party, plugins I had to use either trough a "free" license, or pay for in one way or another. And the work balooned.
That you think this makes you look anything but severely incompetent on several levels is hilarious

>>713562187
He was most likely paid to do it. Same as mods that used to ban SKG games. Meanwhile porn and eceleb drama threads stay up.

>>713571509
Explain to me how having a game run on a local machine, requires more work and effort, compared to having the same game, but it now has to connect trough a server, and then has to periodically communicate with the game to keep it running. Oh, and also tell me how its cheaper to have that server infrastructure running for years compared too just having a user install the game, and run it from their own PC.

>>713571702
Explain :)

>>713571732
yea sure that's the MOST likely explanation you retard

This kills the shill.

>>713571509
I have programming and work experience. Unless you programmed your game into a spaghetti code nightmare it shouldn't take your devs millions of dollars to patch in local hosting.

>>713571815
Prove me wrong.

>>713571702
Incompetent, or maybe, just maybe. I had enough of a high standard, that I did not want to create a patchwork monstrosity that I could not debug, because its used random snippets of code I had to lift.
And that is before any protections were put in place :^)
Meanwhile in the real world, most live service games, require constant maintenance, are prone to constantly breaking, server instabilities... but man, you are such a genius, that would never happen to your projects. I am just a retard for recognizing a problem and avoiding it, instead of diving head first into it, because it is the current fad.

>>713571767
Ok.
1 - you building a piece of shit in C++ as an amateur is so far removed from corporate software development standards that even comparing them reveals you as a complete moron
2 - you're accidentally admitting that you're too fucking stupid to properly use pre-made middleware and libraries or read documentation, which is the only reason why using them would "balloon the workload"
3 - you've completely skipped over the existence of games with any kind of network support whatsoever

I could go on but it really is just easier to call you stupid.
Because you're stupid.

>Just do labor for free, what's the big deal?
another commie program that requires slavery to work

>>713572007
Didn't ask

>>713572015
They're literally getting paid. Do the work for money. It's part of the budget now.

>>713572015
Would it be more work if the game from the start was designed and developed with this in mind? This wouldn't be retroactive nor affect games already in development.

>>713571934
>Incompetent
Indeed.
ESL as well, it would appear.
>>713572045
>"explain how I'm incompetent!"
>here's how you are incompetent
>"didn't ask!"
lol
lmao
really not helping your cause here

>>713570518
>No dude it's actually based and redpilled to let corpos fuck you in the ass

>>713546960 (OP)
Better yet, I'll just not buy those games

>>713572121
who are you quoting?
it certainly isn't me, because I believe people that say shit like "based and redpilled" should be forcibly removed from the gene pool.

>>713572191
I'm quoting you

>>713571685
Lotta, ways to skin a cat and most devs fear more work. I mean, it's by no means free, but it's certainly not impossible. The initiative also doesn't call out that releasing server binaries are absolutely required in order to comply. The only thing this petition does is start the conversation. What "reasonable" is and if any of this applies is up to publishers and law makers.
I also don't think we have to go back to the old ways. We can still have modern architecture and comply with this. In fact, I would expect the market to adjust pretty rapidly. I wouldn't be surprised if new b2b businesses started up specifically to help address this for publishers or a single large publisher does the work for most.

>>713570761
>implying the cost of games is related to anything other than maximizing profit based on the demand curve
If it was really about paying the bills, the execs would take paycuts sometimes, like Iwata did when the Wii U flopped. Even if "make your singleplayer game work without internet" had a real cost, it wouldn't budge prices.

>>713571934
LEARN. DESIGN. PATTERNS.
Start with factories and bridge patterns.

>>713572096
It will create more work because modern software is a frankenstein of new exciting patterns and legacy code. It's a fucking mess. Now, that's not the consumer's problem.

>>713572104
What? Who?

>simping for corpos
what the fuck is wrong with you

>>713572753
SO um... actually its the correct thing to do?!?!

>>713572015
>ugh what do you mean I can't just dump my waste into the ground and poison the water table?
>why should I care about the drinking water? this is so much more work for me, a little ol buisness

>>713572864
>the crew shutting down is like poisoning my water!

>>713572753
>simping for consoomers
whatever helps you feel rich

>>713571563
It's a very high-level design that shows the relationship between the client, server, and microservices. I really fail to see what's so confusing about it, but perhaps this is your first time looking at a diagram.

>>713573020
>This design was clearly made by a retard
>"why are you confused?"
>I'm not confused, the person who made it is stupid
>"I fail to see what's so confusing"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOPqzsl7Ey0

>>713572864
the free market will solve that

>>713573090
>posting some retard that had a mental break and lost all relevance years ago

>>713546960 (OP)
I'm not in EU

>>713572921
Ok then how about this:
https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2025/06/ftc-sends-more-81-million-consumers-harmed-carecoms-deceptive-claims-about-earnings-job-listings
Just because it's more work for the company does not justify anti-consumer practices, you stupid fuck

>>713573371
You can make all the terrible comparisons you want, anon, they don't help your point at all.
Neither does extreme reductionism.
You're just wrong my dude. Everyone with any amount of experience has been telling this to Ross from the start and he's categorically refused to listen, instead trying to pass the buck or attack these people.