How are Dark Souls and Nioh different

Nioh is without question one of the hardest games in the Souls genre

The story, atmosphere, etc isn't as good as Dark Souls, but it's still decent enough

Nioh is 90% co-opable (except for a few random missions for some reason), while Dark Souls is absolutely shit at co-op (except for a new mod that just came out)

>>713561962 (OP)
one has shitty pvp against humans
the other has epic duels against AI

>>713562142
Oh and I think Nue is one of the best bosses in a non-From game, and is sadly an early highlight.

>>713561962 (OP)
I thought I'd like Dark Souls but I didn't.
I thought I wouldn't like Nioh but I did.

>>713561962 (OP)
Fromsoftware Souls games are(or atleast where) primarily action-adventure games thet prooritize level and world design.
Nioh is primarily a mission select Action RPG with Diablo style rainnow loot and itemization. You go throw the level and kill the boss. There is no real exploration like in earlier Souls games. The combat is way better as is the RPG systems. It's arcadey and focuses on the character action roots Team Ninja has over adventure game roots that Fromsoftware had.

They're only superficially in the same genre and are in actuality completely different types of games.

>>713562142
>Nioh is without question one of the hardest games in the Souls genre
Nah, DLCs are harder than DS1-2-3, but still easier than Elden Ring's endgame I'd say

>Nioh
Insanely good and fun fast-paced combat.
Giga boring environments
Giga boring story
Giga boring setting
Giga boring and limited enemies
Bosses are fine

>Dark Souls 1, BB, Sekiro, ER
An adventure for the soul. A complete package.

>>713562142
>Souls is absolutely shit at co-op
Is there a Seamless Co Op mod for DS1 now? I know Elden Ring and DS3 have mods for that - if DS1 has one then im highly intrigued

>>713562551
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>>713561962 (OP)
>>713561962 (OP)
Nioh is more of an action game. It's not really as souls-like as people say it is. Outside of bonfire, souls for leveling, level up gets you one point in stats, and body runs when you die, they're completely different games. Nioh's much more complex, faster, paced and about keeping the pressure on your opponent, while DS is slower and about planning out attacks and retreats. If you try to play one like the other, you'll get rekt. Imo Nioh is much harder. I liked DS more mainly because of enemy variety, the world, it's shorter, and not having to deal with fucking inventory management constantly (worst part about Nioh)

>>713562598
Interesting. Can't wait to get to it.

>>713562795
Yea pretty much. Also can't finish a Nioh game for the life of me. Hit like half way through and get bored out of my mind from the repetition.

>>713562879
>Seamless Co Op
How does it feel to ruin a genre?

>>713563376
I already beat every Souls game solo myself multiple times, but if i can go through the whole game with irl friends who otherwise dont like Souls then I'll absolutely take that opportunity

>>713561962 (OP)
love both developers

fromsoft engines are slower and weightier; emphasis is on timing. i think dodge/parry mechanics are more intuitive because they give you generous telegraphs/wind-ups.

team ninja action is tuned more snappy/responsive; better suited for spamming combos like a dmc/platinum game.

>>713562795
>Giga boring and limited enemies
>Insanely good and fun fast-paced combat.
these are at complete odds with eachother
the combat cant be fun if the enemies are a snorefest

>>713561962 (OP)
Dark Souls is an adventure game, Nioh is an action game.

>>713561962 (OP)
>Nioh isn't open world, instead you select chapters that have their own linear levels.
>Nioh is story-heavy. Expect lots of characters and cutscenes featuring them. You'll like this one if you're into Sengoku-slop.
>Nioh only has few weapon types. Every different Katana the game has share the same exact moveset. The loot system is easily Nioh's largest weakness, as it's mostly a meaningless "follow the up green arrow" type of a system until you hit NG3 or whatever when you can actually find good stats on the items.
>Nioh is fast tempo. The game expects you to do a button combination after every attack to regain your stamina. This so called ki pulse is essential if you want to get good at the game.
Nioh is a good game. Also I assumed you've played Dark Souls 1. They're too different to be considered the same genre.

>>713561962 (OP)
If you kill a single enemy in Nioh they drop 180 items and you have to spend the next 15 minutes navigating a menu and organising loot, 99% of which is useless.

>>713563574
>the combat cant be fun if the enemies are a snorefest
You can't do combos if enemies never stop attack, you should know that already, ERfag

>>713561962 (OP)
one is called dark souls and one is called nioh. The name denotes which game it is. Hope this helps you anon.

Nioh 1 is better than any Dark Souls game. But it's still pretty janky. I hate how the combat works, you don't have a lot of room to hit enemies, and it reaches a point where everything becomes a DPS battle. Not exactly my concept of fun. Devs realized this and gave more tools to even things out

>>713565625
combos arent interesting once they became trivial to pull off and the game became a mashfest, or if theyre interesting to pull off but you start doing it for the 190th time against the 190th enemy you kill
they should make a game akin to nioh getting rid of all the bloat that takes effort to develop without adding any substance to the game and see if they can make a cool world and fleshed out enemies

>>713561962 (OP)
Dark Souls is good and Nio is shit
there

>>713567207
Yeah but why

>>713562879
Yes. The dev is also working on DS2 SOTFS now, but it's been put on the side to work on the mod for Nightreign.

I like Nioh and I don't like Dark Souls.

How do I into Omnyo/Split Staff build in Nioh 2? What is the best early-game Split staff?

>>713561962 (OP)
Nioh is a fantastic action game with some terrible RPG elements bolted on.
Dark Souls is a fantastic adventure game with some terrible action elements bolted on.

Between the two I'd probably take Dark Souls just because there's not a lot of games these days that try to give you memorable levels, including modern Dark Souls. And honestly, how do you implement Diablo loot in a way that's more exhausting than any actual Diablo game including the bad ones.
When Nioh isn't fucking around though it's a great time.

>>713570134
Despite being segmented. Nioh levels are better than DS1 levels, yes, I said that. DS1 Catacombs and the fortress are great, but apart from them the level design is pretty mediocre.

>le combo
>wipes the game spamming high stance strong attack with Axe/Hammer anyway

>>713569992
early game you just pick loot with the highest damage numbers and that's it