So were the dwemer infused to the skin of the numidium when kagrenac did his thing or were they just poofed out of existence?

Also morrowind thread.

the later
i'm not in the mood to elaborate go read a wiki or something

they went over to ESO

I'd love to know where it says they got turned into skin IN GAME because I don't recall that anywhere.

My personal schizo opinion is that ZERO SUM isn't actually real, or at least nobody has actually achieved it and certainly not the Dwemer, who I think became the Numidium's time breaking power. I think the true mirror to CHIM is ascension by process of whatever the fuck Syrabane, Phynaster and Mannimarco did

>>713570507
I'd love to see where it says IN GAME that they ZERO SUM'd beside's VIvec's gay schizo ramblings

>>713570507
I don't think it was ever mentioned in-game. I think the first mention of it was from the pre-release "Skeleton Man's Interview with Denizens of Tamriel" - basically a bit of promotional material Bethesda released in 1999.

"Xal, a Human Maruhkati, Port Telvanis:
The first to see him was the Shop Foremer, Kagrenac of Vvardenfell, the wisest of the tonal architects [Mechanists- MN] Do not think as others do that Kagrenac created the Anumidum for petty motivations, such as a refutation of the gods. Kagrenac was devoted to his people, and the Dwarves, despite what you may have read, were a pious lot-he would not have sacrificed so many of their golden souls to create Anumidum's metal body if it were all in the name of grand theater. Kagrenac had even built the tools needed to construct a Mantella, the Crux of Transcendence. But, by then, and for a long time coming, the Doom of the Dwarves marched upon the Mountain and they were removed from this world."

It's an out-of-game theory by a human mystic living in Morrowind. I think that the Xal-Gosleigh letters were originally supposed to be in Morrowind but they ended up getting scrapped and the idea repurposed in the Charwich-Koniinge Letters.

>>713570745
in chimarviridium or something it was explained that they had a racewide telepathy called "The Calling"
it was also said in multiple books documenting the battle of red mountain that the dwemer dissappeared in the same moment as Kagrenac whacking the heart
you can infer from there that it might have put something through the Calling and disappeared them all

how do I play morrowind anyway? cant get it to run off the steam version

>>713571562
Considering the fact that the Numidium is not only active but constantly causes temporal fuckery, doesn't it make more sense that accounting for all that you said, they they fused into their brass god?

>>713571628
operating system?
>>713571674
idk bro where does it say that ingame

>>713571628
get the gog version, run it with openMV, optionally install mods with one of the openMV curated modlists

>>713571765
It says a lot of retarded shit in game, doesn't mean it's credible. Nords claim Talos was a Nord even though he wasn't. You gonna believe Nords just because they said it in game?

>>713569875 (OP)
becoming skin sounds more horrifying so i like that one more.

>>713571961
First art I seen from this artist that was actually interesting. I just thought he did mild coomer shit. The faces startled me

>>713571961
Since when did dwemer have blue skin

>>713571927
>the ingame lore is wrong because i don't like it

Man, this makes me want to watch AllinAll's stuff.
Too bad he had a bitch fit and privated all his stuff on youtube.

>>713571628
OpenMW or MGE-XE.
OpenMW is a full engine replacement with various improvements and is quick to set up.
MGE-XE is a patch for the executable with its own installer, you will want to install the code patch as well.

Both have their own exclusive mods but lots of mods run on both. pick your favorite, only pedantic nerds (everyone itt) argue about it beyond posting smug reaction images.

>>713572095
speaking of elder scrolls people don't look up what the cantina has been up to it's sad

>>713572232
What happened?

>>713572089
Do you not know the whole point of TES lore is to be speculated and dug into? The whole unreliable narrator thing is at play. Do you believe everything everybody says in real life just because they say it in real life as well?

look at this lil guy

>>713572272
the unreliable narrator is still the base of your speculation in the end, that doesn't mean you can just call made up shit lore

>>713569875 (OP)
Can any lore experts ITT tell me more about the Kalpas, I know there are some theories that the daedric princes still exist but swap around who rules what, but does anyone truly know up to what level of godhood it affects? Who survives the Kalpa cycles, and if they survive do they still keep their memories?

>>713572345
okay ill get started but first you're going to have to take a hit of this and accept that everything outside of the games is fan fiction

>>713572342
Well for one I'm not claiming what I said is absolute truth and for two, MK himself has came up with a lot of expansion on lore and ideas even after being away from Bethesda. By your logic a good 70% of established lore is "made up shit"

>>713572320
that's not a vanilla frog is it?

>>713572269
he's very disagreeable now

>>713572272
>Do you not know the whole point of TES lore is to be speculated and dug into?
literally and unironically: says who?

>>713572543
It's a curse of every TES creator. They're all egotistical faggots in some way.

>>713572504
No it's a bullfrog in Cyrodiil

>>713572547
Says most of the people who work on the game and writing now and did back when the series was in it's infancy. Literally most early lore was based on ancient forum posts. I really don't understand why you're so hell bent on only accepting in game sources. Such a bizarre hill to die on

>>713572620
figured it was looking too good for vanilla

I made this ring and now stamina has basically ceased to exist as a mechanic thanks to it. I can run, jump, and swing like there's no tomorrow, but I cannot make that bar go down.

i watched vorar helas and rabinna fight for more than 6 minutes
rabinna won

comanna tong, your response?

If you follow Ralof into Helgen Keep during the beginning of Skyrimjob, he unknowingly completes an aurbic ritual through the unbinding of your hands (untying the Prisoner from fate) inside of a Tower--symbolic of the wheel/cylinder within which all of 'reality' occurs--where a chandelier casts the shadow of an eight-spoked wheel upon the floor of the same ritual chamber containing a deer head casting dragon-like wing shadows, between the bear emblem of the Stormcloaks and the Imperial sigil.

>>713572671
see if you can get the bar down when you get a daedric battleaxe.

>>713572439
>651423651432564.jpg
>>713572479
>MK himself has came up with a lot of expansion on lore and ideas even after being away
so?
>By your logic a good 70% of established lore is "made up shit"
how so
>Well for one I'm not claiming what I said is absolute truth
then what's the point of arguing on the front that your standpoint somehow just "makes more sense accounting for what i said"
wouldn't such a standpoint be presumptuous given that you don't *actually* take the (canon) information i provided into account despite claiming to, you just use it as a launching pad to shill your (noncanon) theory that you personally prefer as if it "makes sense", which warrants explanation that you don't give

>>713572664
not the original anon you were arguing with but i only accept the in-game canon because that's the only information that has any practical effect in the real world OR the fictional world. it literally doesn't matter whether you take kirkbride's schizo ramblings as true because none of it is in the games. it's not in the plot, not in the dialogues, nothing. it's vestigial information - it has no purpose and as such, no value. if i snapped my fingers right now and it magically all stopped existing, literally nothing would change for anyone.

>>713572952
You're posting so much retarded shit I can only assume you're also this >>713570304 retard

>>713573003
lol retard

>>713573003
maybe i should have thrown in a line break for (You)

>>713572845
Woah

>>713572845
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>713572845
you forgot to add three lines of "i hate the antichrist" capitalized and double spaced under the rest of your text.

>>713572952
the information you provided was cannon, that is that 1. they collectively disappeared and 2. they had the Calling. The theory that they collectively zero summed or disappeared is not canon and even able to be proven in game. The canon information you gave doesn't state in full truth that they, You yourself said "you can infer from there that it might have put something through the Calling and disappeared them all". Emphasis on infer.
What explanation do you give that completely proves zero sum was real?

>>713572952
>651423651432564.jpg
i don't get it

>>713572345
It's a Hindu concept that, just as people die and reincarnate in a cycle, so does the universe as a whole. As far as TES goes, the idea is that you've got all the pre-creation events with all the spirits and stuff being convinced/tricked by Lorkhan to create the universe and they decide what to do about it and him at the Adamantine Tower, at which point time begins and history goes on till the world ends, at which point you return to the beginning of time at the Adamantine Tower and Lorkhan being judged, at which point a whole new history happens where say, different gods might end up filling different roles, and different people are born and different empires and nations exist. Each period from the convention atop the Adamantine Tower to the world ending is a single Kalpa. Think of it basically as the gods running a simulation over and over again until they finally find a permutation that creates the Amaranth.

>>713573339
What did he mean by this?

>>713572994
>doesn't matter whether you take kirkbride's schizo ramblings as true because none of it is in the games. it's not in the plot, not in the dialogues, nothing. it's vestigial information
Did you not play Morrowind? Morrowind's whole plot is based on Kikrbride's schizo ramblings. Do you think Kirkbride didn't write for the game or something?

>>713573385
where did i say once that zero sum was ingame, i just pointed towards ingame sources that people like to align with the out-of-game name given to the same concept; you asked, and i delivered
on that topic you also see shit in this vein in the Four Suitors of Benitah though that's more like a folk tale
>>713573416
wondering why it's fashioned like timestamp when it isn't one

>>713573447
It's a reference to a humorous internet meme from like 3 years ago in which a character characterized as a schizophrenic conspiracy theorist, usually trollface or another meme from the rage comic days, is depicted hiding from UN blue helmet characters (implied to be serving the Antichrist or other such nefarious powerful entities) while repeatedly saying some variation of the phrase 'i hate the antichrist' and holding a rifle

>>713573715
ah. thank you for the explanation without some silly bad faith response. by the way the original name was coolface not trollface

>>713573654
>wondering why it's fashioned like timestamp when it isn't one
i just garble and rename all of my images to preemptively head off all pointless conversation derailments like complaining about the source of the image or redditor post history research. i've never posted the same an image with the same hash twice. hadn't considered this variety of derailment but it's never happened before so i don't really feel the need to change my approach.

>>713573580
which of kirkbride's schizo ramblings were written into the video game, and which of them were not? image relevant
>>713573963
lol just use a filename randomizer stupid

A Koan

A man decided to go and study with a master. He went to the door of the master "Who are you who wishes to study here?" asked the master. The student told the master his name. "That is not what you are that is only what you are called. "Who are you who wishes to study here?" he asked again. The man thought for a moment and replied, "I am a professor." "That is what you do, not what you are" replied the master. "Who are you who wishes to study here?" Confused, the man thought some more. Finally, he answered, "I am a human being." "That is only your species, not who you are. "Who are you who wishes to study here?" asked the master again. After a moment of thought, the professor replied, "I am a consciousness inhabiting an arbitrary body." "That is merely what you are not who you are. Who are you who wishes to study here?" The man was getting irritated. "I am," he started, but he could not think of anything else to say, so he trailed off. After a long pause the master replied "Then you are welcome to come study."

>>713573654
The whole start of the argument was you asserting that in game lore is the only lore you will accept. You admit that zero sum is not in the actual games. The calling isn't the same concept as zero sum. So you, by your own admission, don't even believe that the Dwemer zero summed

>>713574024
>lol just use a filename randomizer stupid
too much work. i can just tap F2 on my keyboard and mash the numpad as i'm attaching the image, takes about a quarter of a second.

>>713574070
Why the long pause tho

>>713569875 (OP)
The truth is that Vivec raped them with his dick pussy (secret-dick-enlargement-technique-of-Molag enhanced), but they disintegrated since they were not as resilient as daedra. When Yagrum returned and was immediately jumped by Vehk, who thought he raped all of them, Yagrum bit his cock, making Vehk take his dick pussy out of the Dwemer's mouth, but then he got whacked in the head with it, erasing his memory and making him just assume he got male-pregnant due to corpus, though the corpus would make the fetus a stillborn, unable to burst out of his stomach a intended. The bite psyched Vehk out of raping entire species out of existence.

>>713574075
>The whole start of the argument was you asserting that in game lore is the only lore you will accept.
sure
>You admit that zero sum is not in the actual games.
yup
>The calling isn't the same concept as zero sum.
i explained how the mass dissappearing due to the heart was spread via the calling; you're being disingenuous on purpose now lol. mad?
>So you, by your own admission, don't even believe that the Dwemer zero summed
i think you may have taken care of that idea two sentences ago retard

>>713574126
>takes about a quarter of a second
So does clicking the box that turns on randomizing

>>713574142
gave the man time to formulate his response. is this rhetorical?

>>713574224
It's not a pause if he wasn't already speaking beforehand.

>>713574305
Bring up your pedantic phrasing concerns with the long-dead corpses of those who wrote/spoke the koan, not me.

>>713573580
i'd argue that it's based loosely on kirkbride's ramblings. there are no mentions of towers, kalpas, or the unraveling of reality. there's no getting around vivec and CHIM, i'll concede that, but the broad strokes of the hero's journey undertaken by a reincarnated or second generation hero is not something unique to kirkbride by a longshot.

>>713574220
You're the one sperging out and name calling out of nowhere. It's not that serious

>>713574407
That's an awfully dismissive response for somebody posting philosophical drivel.

>>713574434
Pretty sure Vivec mentions Towers and vaguely describes that the Tower and Aurbis means in one of the later sermons of the 36 Lessons, albeit poetically and confusingly. Could be wrong though

>>713574443
concession accepted, i guess?

>>713574557
No need for it. I already won. Why would I surrender when I've already butt raped you in front of everybody and embarrassed you?

>>713574434
kalpas are objectively canon in-game lore due to the song of pelinal books and paarthunax though, they're also vaguely alluded to in the sermons with the ruddy man

>>713569875 (OP)
well the aedra became the earth bones of nirn so I figure the dwemer wanting to be their own gods became the numidium bones. the dwemer became the numidiums 'absolute territory'

>>713574669
I don't think someone who's actually done that would feel compelled to clarify that it happened.
Especially not if you were referring to this:
>So you, by your own admission, don't even believe that the Dwemer zero summed
Not the gotcha you think it is, considering I clarified that this was indeed the case in the very post to which you responded >>713573654

>>713574783
>kirkblade's ramblings
You are responding to a bad faith newfag who purposely shits up any and all TES discussion due to a(n ironic) headcanon that Kirkblade, someone that anon DOES NOT like, is responsible for 100% of the entirety of Morrowind, a game that Anon DOES NOT like.

>>713569875 (OP)
what I wanna know is why their automatons cease to function when taken far enough away from dwemer settlements. is it some tesla coil shit?

>>713574969
ah, got it

>>713574969
i beat morrowind before you were born. it's a great game. i'm just not about to get 15 layers deep into hindu mysticism to resolve a handful of throwaway lines that, again, have no effect on the franchise.

>>713573434
Oh yeah I get the concept of it I was just wondering how far the effects go, like do the plains of Oblivion stay as they are or are they remade? The Daedric Prince’s can change positions but do they retain their memories or are they remade from scratch? It’s stuff like that I’m wondering

>>713575107
Have you considered just not posting instead of butting into conversations to spew garbage and repeating that you're not going to get into something?

>>713575194
Think of the Princes as having different personalities per kalpa. A cruel creature full of malice could have been benevolent last kalpa, or perhaps withdrawn, a recluse.

>>713574924
Yes it is nice to rub in that I made you go back on your initial assertion. Sorry if it comes off as a little redundant, I just like putting uppity retards in their place

>>713575286

>>713575216
>stop challenging my fanfiction!
No.

>>713575216
Have you considered not responding to disingenuous newfags?

>>713575425
Verbally berating them is funny and you know it gets them mad. They can cope with "muh just trolling" all they want

>>713569875 (OP)
Proofed out of existence. They got access to the game folders and removed themselves from the game with some developer tool. Best of cases they're still living in a file form in some computer at Bethesda's. Otherwise they're lost assets

>>713575548
>you know
>cope
>"trolling" ever understood in a serious manner since the turn of the 2010s
So newfags responding and arguing with other mentally-stunted newfags. Got it.

>>713569875 (OP)

>>713575269
Is that the same for other deities like the Aedra?

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little N'wah? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Buoyant Armigers, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Ashlanders, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in guarilla warfare and I'm the top Living God in the entire Tribunal. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on Morrowind, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over Dreams? Think again, fetcher. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of Ordinators across Vvardenfell and your kalpa is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, outlander The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Redoran Guard and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the island, you little s'wit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" Nerevarine was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn N'wah. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.