who is the most cheesy and "overpowered" boss ever made by Fromsoft?

>>713570368 (OP)
Malenia, any other answer is provably false.

>>713570368 (OP)
probs nineball seraph

>>713570368 (OP)
Oh, it's about time for my yearly rewatch.

shadow of the erdtree bosses were mostly shit
i read a good post somewhere that likened SotE bosses to be like watching someone else have fun.

>>713570513
It's this bitch. I felt no satisfaction when I finally beat her. I was just fucking annoyed that they made such a stupid fucking boss.
It was doubly annoying to come back with a pure arcane build and shred her in one try with bleed twin blade. Absolute shit.

Dark Souls sucks, but this video makes me smile

>>713570513
Nah, pre-nerf Consort Radahn was less cheesable and felt way more unfair. Of course this is >Fromsoft so it was not that hard really.

>>713570368 (OP)
The cancer of the boreal valley
I tried everything and I can't get past her
I remember even making a kill squad on my discord three times to take her out and still failed

>>713571456
>I remember even making a kill squad on my discord three times to take her out and still failed
what
how? her attacks are a bit delayed but she shouldnt give that much trouble lol

zanzibart the forgiven

>>713571456
Level vigor to 48, wear ring of favor and life ring
Use a rapier with flame arc
With this build I beat her on my first try in a blind playthrough
Did the same to Gael

>>713571440
That undodgeable rollcatch he had was insane. I still can't believe it made it past QA

>>713571456
wait, what problems are you having with her?
If you're fighting her before the three other Lords of Cinder you're probably just underlevelled
if not, and you're just doing the normal progression, you could try exploring the other areas to get upgrades to your Estus Flask like flask shards and bone ash so you can last a lot longer in the fight with her and survive long enough to take her down
you should also make sure that your weapon is upgraded as it can be for that fight
there may or may not be a secret area you probably missed under the catacombs so if you explored that, you'd probably be strong enough to take her out once you're done

>>713571456
I beat her on my first try blind lol

>>713570513
Malenia is a perfectly fair and balanced boss, skill issue.

>>713570513
>sorry faggot, I have super armor now I hope you memorized all the steps to dodging waterfowl
I hate this bitch and all that she represented as a design philosophy. So glad Nightreign didn't iterate on that crap and went back to things being sane.

>>713571440
>>713572203
>awful, outright retarded lore justification to just reuse Rhadan again because everyone meme'd him during the base game's launch
>first phase is generally fine, difficult with how hard he hits but fine
>second phase is like someone made Orphan of Kos, shoved Malenia up his ass and made it just objectively bad
>skibidi fragments as a whole making the entire DLC unbalanced as shit making most bosses have gay retarded AOE 1shot attacks or near infinite attack strings.

>>713572490
Malenia being retconned into a fujo really annoyed me.

>>713572551
In fairness she was always ride or die for her brother. What bothered me was Rhadan getting retconned into a fag that was ducking the guy he promised to marry instead of FromSoft getting fucking freaky and making the boss Godwyn to show how powerful he was like before he got killed.

>>713570368 (OP)
This is the reason I quit Armored Core 6

>>713572741
>quitting on the fucking easiest C-Weapon
You're a bitch. Even pre-nerf he was piss easy.

>>713571456
Wtf she's easy, you can beat her early too

>>713572724
I headcanon it as Miquella being delusional. It just makes more sense that way.

>>713572741
lol, have you tried shooting at it?

>>713572832
Well since he's just fucking Griffith I could see him making the promise either as a joke and once the whole "stopping the stars" shit started to kick off he told Miquella to kick rocks leading to a massive spergout. Makes sense why he'd draw Mohg in as a replacement dick.

>>713572741
Just fly over it nigga, its not that hard.
And in the second phase it loses the stomp attacks and becomes giga easy.

>>713573027
Practically every boss in the game is as easy as the helicopter once you just do the same loop of breaking their stamina and getting huge damage with the PB or the Moonlight Blade

>>713572741
just stay above it as much as you can and it basically can never hit you with anything

>>713572984
Yeah, I dunno, the whole thing just felt like loosely connected fanfiction

>>713572741
i beat this boss but it left such a bad taste in my mouth that i dropped the game afterwards

>>713570368 (OP)
for souls, Malenia. overall, probably one of the nineballs.

>>713573027
Thats why the stagger bar is the worst thing added to AC6, it ruined the pvp for me.
The bosses should have been more focused on defensive dodging instead of trying to rush to stagger them.

>no one noticed the spbp

>>713570513
This. The boss having lifesteal made it so you HAD to learn to dodge that fucking attack. It's not like Radahn where you could just cheese with blocking.

>>713570513
Honestly I feel like Messmer and Consort are worse
In retrospect it's hilarious how walled I was by Nameless King back in the day, too. Took me forever to kill that fucker but after ER he shows up in nightreign and I have no issues. yes I know I've already had hours and hours with the boss but it's still funny to me

Never played Elden Ring

What makes Malenia so bad?

>>713573454
nineball seraph is fucking easy

>>713573687
>you play as a slow rolling dodge guy
>Malenia plays like a crackhead from Ninja Gaiden
>also every hit she gets on you heals her
>spams an attack that's a glorified AOE and even if you use a move that blocks most of the damage she still gets a fat heal from it
>second phase uses one of the more annoying status elements and gives her full health
She's easy now after people know what to use against her but when people first played she was some dogshit.

>>713573795
most would disagree, some would say it's the malenia of AC, or rather the other way around since it came first

>>713573521
you could still block malenia, you just had to have enough damage to make up for her lifesteal. makes the fight slower but still doable. source, me, my second kill on her was before they nerfed the great shield talisman or whatever with the fingerprint shield to basically negate stamina consumption on block

>>713573841
honestly just removing lifesteal while blocking would have made the fight a million times more reasonable

>>713573687
she's generally fine, but she has the most un-intuitive move to avoid in the entire franchise history and does it pretty arbitrarily, and messing up avoiding this move usually resulted in death.

>>713573687
she has one attack in particular which is just sort of bullshit

but really i thought pretty much all bosses in the DLC were a lot more annoying and unfun than miquella.

>>713570513
I wonder what the "intended" solution for waterfowl was. I can dodge it now but every strategy seems to involve fucking with her tracking in some unintuitive way.

>>713573890
>some would say it's the malenia of AC,
That's Ibis you retard. Nineball is Bed of Chaos, easy once you know what to do but makes the game objectively unfun every time you have to fight it.

>>713573687
she's got a fuck you special attack that requires you to run towards her and dodge if you wanna avoid it, pic related, it's not something that looks like you're supposed to approach

>>713574212
i don't think there really was a strategy, i think the devs were expecting you to take a few hits on that attack

>>713574228
lol, ibis is barely a noob killed, downed by your shitbox missileboat build easily

>>713573687
It's an extremely dishonest boss with a bunch of wake-up superarmor moves. Those aren't the real issue. Frankly she's not even that hard, just obnoxiously designed.
She's got an attack called "Waterfowl Dance" that's literally impossible to dodge the first time you see it. It's so obnoxious tutorials on how to dodge that move specifically clock multiple hundreds of thousands of views.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvmTnrQjb94

>>713574247
that is not waterfowl dance

>>713573841
>also every hit she gets on you heals her
That's so fucking bullshit. It's why I hate fighting her because that's not fair.

>>713573983
Either that or just don't put her in the game. It's the same issue the DLC had but less terrible since she objectively plays on a ruleset compared to what the player has. I still stand by the fact the endgame to Elden Ring is dogshit that only feels good if you could Sekiro parry through everything which is why they gave you a flask ingredient that does exactly that in the DLC.

if godfrey had 2 health bars I'd hate him more than Malenia. Hoarah Loux is such cancer to fight.

>>713573687
She plays like a regular boss and has lifesteal, so you will not be able to facetank her. The real part that makes Malenia a filter is Waterfowl dance, an attack she does when she hits like 55% or 60% health. That attack will kill you even if you're the tankiest motherfucker in the game if you mess up dodging it (Or if you fucked up and are against a wall in the arena), and the way to dodge it is not only very unintuitive and relies on you knowing what hitboxes are and thinking about her turning speed while doing that (Which is also inconsistent), it's also very unreliable unless you're one of those freaks that has labbed the shit out it.

>>713574336
Ibis is Malenia because she has the exact same moves you retard.

>>713574495
godfrey can basically AOE the whole arena can't he? i thought that was pretty dumb

>>713574247
That is definitely not the attack.

>>713574530
show me when does malenia fire lasers at you or when ibis does the waterflow dance

>>713574358
It kinda makes sense as a life-steal ability, but when she recovers by hitting your shield and dealing you no damage - that's some unfair bullshit.

>>713574681
>he cheesed ibis and didnt see it

>>713574558
You can dodge it by jumping.

I like Malenia as a character and her fight, and if SotE gave me a rematch against Prime Malenia against Radahn it would've been a 10/10.

>>713575015
Is Malenia not already in her prime?

>>713570513
Any boss that takes less damage while it super armors into a "new form" is gay as hell. Its one thing that youve got a kit of psychotic moves Ill never be able to use, its another that you just fucking take far less damage and dont stagger now because you decided to

>>713574558
phase 1 is alright. I dislike his giga nigga aoe but it's managable and he gives you openings especially if you jump his stomps.
Phase 2 is peak elden ring boss design with fullscreen aoes on half of his moves, grabs that one shot below 100% health, relentless combos, and nonsensical delays on attacks. My favorite part is when he runs at you with a grab but if you're close when he starts it he'll take a awkward 2-3 extra steps right against you before the actual grab.

On another note, I remember Radagon giving me trouble on my first run but after completing another today he really has 0 fucking health.

>>713574247
this is the weird 1.0.0 beta waterfowl

>>713575104
No, she's kind of out of it after radahn beat her insensate and clearly suffering some dementia

>>713575104
She got her shit kicked in by Radahn and her limbs are falling off because of AIDS.

>knock Malenia over with a big ol' fireball
>hit Malenia with black flame tornado as she tries to get back on her feet
>bully Malenia
ezpz

>>713573687
She's not. you just have to deal a shit ton of damage and not just tank/block her or she will heal too much.
Another thing is people using slow tanky summons that just feed her instead of doing what summons usually do (taking aggro off the boss for free attacks).
By myself when the game first came out I was able to kill her after 2-3 tries but later when I was trying to help my dumbass friends they kept feeding her free hits.
She's also EXTREMELY easy to stun with colossal weapons.

>>713570513
>"hidden" boss at the very end and optional
i think its fine, shes supposed to be the hardest boss in the base game

>>713575387
>Bleed weapon
YDBTG

no but for real, how do you actually dodge close range waterfowl? It's like my only filter for this fight.

>>713575387
>triple patched quadruple nerfed Malenia who staggers 4 times easier isnt so bad when I cheese her
Fuck off

>>713575517
Malenia has never been nerfed. She has always staggered outside of her hyper armor attacks

>>713575517
>N-n-n-no you didn't use the right build!
Eat shit. I always do naked barbarian runs in souls games and it's not my fault that while other players were suffering with their builds I managed to lightroll and deal high damage.

>>713570783
/thread

>>713570513
You're right yet people decided to seethe at you.
Her getting to life-steal you even if you perfectly blocked her blade with a giga-shield is quintessentially cheating.

>>713575387
There's no need to pretend.

>>713572741
If this filtered you then I don't even want to imagine Ibis.

>>713575517
>>713576118
I did cheese her, just not the normal way.

>>713570513
She was the peak of everything wrong with Elden Ring. after a few days of fighting her i summoned a magic user they are shot her to pieces without effort.
Then I fought Mohg without knowing about the Purifying Crystal Tear, since it only drops from an invasion in a church that has nothing in it. And if you do what i did and circle the church on torrent, clearly see there nothing to pick up and leave, and completely miss the the macguffin, its just obnoxious.

>>713570513

Meanie just because she breaks the "rules" of Fromsoft bosses with her stamina recovery and min-animation dodging.

>>713576232
This IS the normal way.

>>713570368 (OP)
Reindeers of Piss

>>713572832
Kek, This is almost as funny as Mohg beating the charges.

>>713570513
Agreed, but she NEEDS the waterfoul Win Button and lifesteal to compete with dragonmaw spam. That shit permastuns her out of everything Else.
Ive seen mimics vore her

>>713576583
>Ive seen mimics vore her
post it

>>713570368 (OP)
This poop covered godzilla knockoff faggot, and any other answer is provably false.
>>713570513
Wrong.

>>713570368 (OP)
Demon Lord in Sekiro becuase Im bored as shit in this awful 3 hit to death 10 minute slog.

>>713576658
I like Midir and Bayle more than Gael and Radahn respectively so I don't know what you're talking about, dragon bosses are hard hitting yes, but their moves are so telegraphed that it feels refreshing fighting them once you get to know them.

>>713576658
Problem is if you count Silver Seman Spray or not. He is easy gooning.

>>713576759
midir is just annoying because he has one gorillion HP and really only takes good damage on headshots, more tedious than hard.

>>713576759
>>713576658
How's the Second Hotdog compare?

>>713570513
nah she's peaked

>>713576658
Dragon bosses aren't difficult. They're just tedious boring fights that require you to run everywhere and occasionally do poke damage.

>>713576907
the hotdog in the cursed chalice? he's pretty easy to cheese with proper spacing, can get him to do that slow forward bite/lunge thing which lets you get a swing in on him. getting to it is harder than actual fight itself because you need to do a bunch of the chalice dungeons to get there lmao

>>713574247
The original waterfowl dance is Kino. Too bad that they went the "le prepare to die XD" route turning in into instant tracking hitbox aoe spam

>>713573687
her attacks on the player, even against a shield, heal her. she attacks fast and often and can easily bring herself to full health quickly. She can easily kill the player in one flurry of attacks. the game has parry timings that dont feel natural. With a lot of enemies you are basically parrying a sword that is behind their back before they even swing it at you. her attacks accelerate quickly, when to parry is difficult and the price to missing is death. You have to parry her 3 times to open her up to a critical attack. dodging her gimmick attack is not intuitive and i suspect the majority of players only know how because they saw a youtube video. Requiring the player to walk into the attack where the middle of the blade is clearly slicing then backing away sometimes without locking on since backing up while locked on is slow. And when you get into phase 2 she starts with a dive bomb attack with a large aoe that can insta kill the player and other attacks that poison the player. its some of the worst boss design yet

>>713570513
I used mimic tear with the best rancor soul spell and kept her stunlocked and I'm NOT sorry.
If your game isn't gonna respect me then I'm not gonna respect your game.

>>713577179
>And when you get into phase 2 she starts with a dive bomb attack with a large aoe that can insta kill the player
literally nonexistent hitbox and it's a resupply window, dunno why you complain about a move so free it works in your favor

>>713577019
I never fought him but I thought he was the hardest in the game. So is he easier than Orphan?

>>713577323
it's always nice to have a reminder that when /v/ does actually play a game, they're usually bad it at

>>713570368 (OP)
>pic
I once again kindly asking..
from what game was this parody? I can almost swear its from an old NES game but can't remember the name

>>713577180
Supposedly Rahdahns soldiers fully upgraded can beat her second half by themselves.

>>713577503
Ds2

>>713574212
Unironically blocking it.

>>713577503
you don't recognize the elite knight armor?

>>713577387
if you know how to bait the attack yeah, the challenge is more from the fact that your HP is cut in half I think it was, so you have less margin for error, or none at all if you're a healthlet. baiting the same attack over and over probably counts as cheese though, fighting legit the boss is certainly one of the harder ones.

>>713574212
sprint and jump most likely

>>713570513
I fought her once, between me and my mimic tear she was stunlocked and didn't hit me once. Easiest boss of my life and I'm never fighting her again so I don't ruin the record

>>713577323
spend hours learning the first phase, die seconds into the second phase when i think im far enough away. nice

>>713577856
Still impressive becuase of the second half.

>>713577864
dodge into her then roll away before she blooms

>>713573841
>>713573687
>also every hit she gets on you heals her
also it's percentage based not damage based, so even if you use a shield build and tank all her hits while taking basically 0 damage, she's back to full

>>713577503

>>713577919
I was using fuckoff big bonk stick so I still staggered her with my hits, and I used Destined Death to lower her max HP.
Basically I think my build was uniquely good for her + mimic tear (cheating) + got lucky
but that's good enough for me

>>713577503
it's Dark Souls 2. They're wearing the Elite Knight Armor and fight the Dragonrider in Heide's Tower of Flame

>>713577503
>NES
It was on the N64.

>>713570368 (OP)
bell bearing boss in nightreign is bait to ruin runs. even if you beat him its still not worth the time wasted.

>>713577576
>>713577616
>>713578064
>>713578241
>>713578242
the parody in that parody, the push to edge game thingy
I KNOW ITS DARK SOULS 2 YOU FUCKS

>>713577503
Dark Souls 2 you retard

>>713570513
the lifesteal is the most dumb/out of left field mechanic she has, and its blatantly obvious the spirit ashes/summon mechanic is the reason why. They probably realized late in developing her that a duelist focused boss can get cheesed way easily if u have something to draw aggro from (mimic tear) so to make her the optional HARD boss they tacked on lifesteal to try to balance it around spirit ashes, but forgot about her shit poise so you can just do jump attacks constantly while mimic spams spells.
>inb4 her lifesteal stems from enduring the rot
why lifesteal? just make the mechanic that she's super resistant to status effects like bleed/frost so you have to duel her with normal damage and not rely on status's

>>713570513
objectively correct:
>undodgeable near-cheese method required to reliably avoid waterfowl
>heals on hit
>RNG combo extensions

>>713573687
No joke the reason most people hated Malenia beyond reason was because their playstyle was completely countered by her design, if you weren't aggresive and knew how to dodge and take advantage of openings you'd make quick work of her, waterfowl was bullshit but if you weren't braindead, had decent vigor and armor, you could survive it

Malenia directly countered the vast majority of shitter options, she closed space super fast on mages, summons and mimics made her restore way more HP as the fight went on and waterfowl was a huge vigorcheck so anyone running under 40 was blended to fuck by it

Phase 2 added to this by making sure anyone unprepared to deal with status by just crafting some goddamn boluses would suffer even more.

I mainly suffered on her because I was fully blind in my first playthorugh, missed a bunch of shit and even some flasks and refused to level past 100 before finishing the game because im not a pussy, shit I was running a quality build, and those fucking SUCK in the mid levels

>>713577503
>Enters Souls thread
>Doesn't recognize DS2
Grim

>>713578695
>you could survive it
the problem is not surviving it, it's the game invalidating your whole work by giving her full health from a single attack, that shit does no damage outside of its first barrage

>>713578695
>so anyone running under 40
I always here about these people but I don't think they exist.

>>713578695
Having high vigor makes you a shitter though so you're no different.

>>713578805
it's elden shitters who refuse to admit that the damage ceiling is ridiculous. If people are complaining about even regular enemies doing really high damage on them, it must because they haven't thrown 40+ levels into vigor. Then when you point out that you DO have a lot of vigor, it turns into
>w-well you don't have ENOUGH, 40 is basically nothing!
>w-well you don't have heavy armor, that's the problem
>w-well why aren't you these specific talismans!
I wouldn't even have an issue about it if they weren't so dishonest about it. If they said "yeah damage really ramps up around Mountaintop, gotta watch out" instead of the retarded "my brother in christ you have 13 vigor" I'd be more inclined to agree with them

>>713578695
>it's not a problem it only filtered out a ton of builds
Yeah when a shield works for the entire game and then suddenly I need to play DS3 again it kind of sucks.

>>713578996
what fucking build are you running with sub 60 vigor?

>>713578805
did you miss almost every single big streamer playing the game when it came out? all of them ran squishy mages sub 40 vigor

>>713579103
well are you guys all streamers? I don't think so.

>>713578796
It's not even close to a full heal, it's like chip healing. If you're getting tagged enough times to make that an issue you need to learn what the dodge button is.

>>713578242
>souls gas

>>713573687
Use lions claw or upwards cut and she is easy as fuck

>>713576570
what happened with mohg?

>>713579192
turned into Radahn obviously

>>713578987
>I wouldn't even have an issue about it if they weren't so dishonest about it
that's the elden ring playbook
>bosses don't read inputs on NG, you're just a shitter
into
>Well DUH they read inputs, it only makes sense, why would they stand there and let you heal?

>bosses don't hang their attacks THAT long, you're just bad
into
>well duh bosses are trying to catch panic rollers, it's actually GOOD game design since they know the fanbase

>Uh, the "leaked DLC" looks like complete shit, no way it's real. Radahn, as the final boss? You have to be kidding, that's stupid.
into
>This is the greatest DLC I've ever played, it should be nominated for GOTY despite not being a game
Eldeniggers will defend any decision, so there's no point in actually discussing shit with them

I finally played and beat Elden Ring within these past few weeks. Think it took me five tries to kill Malenia. I didn't think she was that bad. But the way people spoke of her, I thought she was the final boss.

>>713579192
he was being mind controlled by miquella the whole time, to what extent is unclear but some even clear him of the charges of starting the whole mogwhyn bullshit and say that it was all miquella's grand plan

>>713579192
>Mohg has Miquella in a cocoon and talks about building a dynasty with him
>Miquella is said to be cursed with having a childlike appearance
>Everyone thinks Mohg is a pedo
>SotE releases
>Miquella turns out to be a scheming, mind-controlling little shit who made Mohg top him so he could revive Radahn (Forma final) and make him his consort

>>713579192
people called him a Mohglester because of his weird obsession with a femboy, but the DLC revealed that Miquella actually kinda mind washes people with his golden bussy into being his lapdogs and was orchestrating a ton of shit behind the scenes. So, Mohg wasn't actually a creep as much as he was a victim of Miquella squirting hella hard

>>713576583
If you get a fight with her not using Waterfowl, its really a joke fight. Lifesteal is obnoxious but her moves are pretty telegraphed and you can even Lion's Claw/Giant Hunt spam to a degree for staggers

>>713579329
I still find her more insufferable than Promised Cuckold Radahn

>>713579192
https://youtu.be/SKxmYVbjl0I?si=S4q0LSw3vDdWnr7l

>>713579329
>I thought she was the final boss.
definitely worse than Elden Beast
that being said, I used the cum threads to melt elden beast

>>713579329
You clearly didn't beat her though.

>>713579192
couldn't beat the he/him pussy

>>713579419
Radahn 2 nowadays is whatever, if he was still the same as when he launched you'd never hear anyone talk about any other boss being bullshit.
Malenia still exists as she does but radahn was such a mistake he had to be gimped, twice.

>>713570368 (OP)
>cheese boss
BOC hands down is the most cheesy one where unless you really get both lucky and can lock in youre gonna be running back because you have no idea what the floor fall through pattern is gonna be or where the root is or where to jump mid sweep

>>713571456
Easy as hell and I used a simple Lothric Spear, now what was cancer was trying to beat Midir and Gael with it, especially Midir because of how easy it is to whiff with a spear. Broke down and just used an ultra greatsword.

>>713571456
Just stay behind her at all times, hide behind a pillar when she spins.

>>713579329

>>713570513
Yeah

>>713579607
Desu, summons are actually worse for Malenia because she can heal her HP back to full with one attack on them

>>713570513
I raise you consort Radahn
Both are complete shit thoughever

>>713573687
In short, she's a midwit filter.

Malenia is a really fun boss to fight if you love the game's combat, and a very doable boss even for shitters if you explore all the game's different options and RPG mechanics. In either case, her most bullshit move (waterfowl, as others have mentioned) is a fun puzzle to work out with multiple possible solutions. You can find videos of people beating her naked and without leveling up once while taking 0 hits, and you can also find videos of people beating her while just face-tanking everything she does or basically stunlocking her to death.

She is specifically cancer for the players who want to play Elden Ring like an action game, but whose view of the game's combat is "I have to learn a rhythm game where I press the dodge button at the right time, then I get rewarded by being allowed to hit the boss once or twice." This is the attitude of a plurality of players who discuss Souls games on the internet. A lot of ER boss design, especially in the endgame and DLC, changes the 'rules' of boss fights sufficiently that legacy skill from previous games can't carry you, and you need to relearn your approach. Malenia is the strongest example of this from the base game. I don't really think there's anything wrong with this criticism even though I personally don't agree with it. Souls games in the past catered to and even formed this particular taste in its playerbase, and ER's abandonment of this design value is a betrayal of those established players.

When people whine about Malenia or PCR I know they're the type of player who only rolls around and presses R1 now and then. Props to From Software for still having the balls to make bosses like that.

Maliketh should have healed back to full HP in his Phase 2

>>713579834
Both of those bosses are literally made for rolling and R1 spam.

>>713579863
i don't even know what his phase two does before he bleeds to death to my post-DLC build

>>713579816
As long as we can all agree the DLC bosses were atrocious and only enjoyed by autists.

>>713579863
Oh no I'd have to hit him three more times, oh the horror.

>>713571456
I beat her on my first try with the fucking great ax how are people this bad lmao

>>713579816
I'd agree but I think the lack of legacy skill would hurt you against Malenia way more if ER was your first souls game, if you mainly crutch to the new additions and mechanics it will be a miserable experience to fight her because even the most dedicated summoner L2 warriors with bleed dripping from their eyes were getting bounced by her

I'd argue the most rewarding mechaninc ER adds for your fight against her is stance breaking, and that requires a lot of knowledge on how to follow the flow of combat and exploit an opening, and to continue doing that, which is not something base ER encourages at all with all of the options it gives most players to not engage with the combat in that style.

>>713579863
I think his low health works, he's a glass-cannon boss who you can't even hit for large chunks of the fight since he's flipping through the air. I don't think he's too easy in his current form, and if I even want to fight a boss for longer to learn them more, I can just quit out after killing them or use a +10 weapon or something. Being able to kill him in only a couple big openings after the initial learning phase of "how the fuck do I even hit this guy," is a really satisfying contrast.

>>713579931
It's a lot of somersaults and projectiles.

>>713579334
>>713579387
>>713579396
>>713579463
thanks bros
glad my nigga mohg beat the allegations, I gotta play the dlc, keep forgetting it exists.

>>713579863
Maliketh is fine but any boss that does a 22 inch vert and covers the whole battlefield in an instant is automatically barred from being a great one, and he is even worse because he jumps to an unreachable spot and you have to wait for him to finish doing all of that shit until you can play the game again.

>>713575465
Hope she doesnt use it while youre in an animation and chuck an ice pot at her :)

>>713573547
that's just how it is
took me forever to beat Malenia the first time
replayed the game for the DLC, and saved Malenia until after completing the DLC for comparison
stomped her out in like three tries
the From arms race is no joke

>>713579682
No, they're fucking not. The summon far outdamages her healing. I beat her on the 2nd try using Mimic Tear, without it I actually had to learn to dodge her shit instead of just staggerlocking and status spamming her with a mimic build.

Some shit low damage summons would be bad, yes, but not things like Tear or Tiche.

>>713580284
>I can't mindlessly mash R1 against the boss that makes it bad
I bet you love Mid-ir

>>713580352
It depends a lot on how you process it, I was having fun bashing my head against Malenia and somewhat against Radahn but I'll never forget the amount of pain I suffered at the hands of Orphan of Kos, even if I can parry him to death easily now, I still hate him above all other bosses FROM has ever made.

>>713573687
>heals on hit, even if it's fully blocked
>has one move that was basically undodgeable unless you looked up a guide
>ignores conventional rules for stance breaking while doing said move
>can cancel her own stagger animation to utilise hyper armor attacks (she will win the trade due to afore mentioned healing)
>can't be killed with a riposte/critical
Theres problem some other bullshit I'm forgetting

Bonus: People will defend her design because they beat her and attach their own sense of accomplishment to beating 'hard' bosses. Brebear to Die :DDDDD

>>713575723
>Light rolling with ultra great weapons
Fantastic taste.

>>713580528
I find Lawrence the first magma wyrm to be harder than Putrescent Orphan

>>713575723
cold bonk was so fucking good man

>>713580451
>I love sprinting across vast nothingness to catch up to the boss only for them to jump to the other side of the arena so I get to do it again!

>>713570513
FPBP
Waterfowl dance is fucking bullshit and is the only attack of hers anyone ever dies to. Piss easy boss with a stupid near guaranteed instant kill stapled on.

>>713580596
You just described every dragon boss in the game, not Maliketh. He's in the air for maybe all of 5 seconds. You're having a melty over nothing.

>>713580729
I said Maliketh is fine, dragons have always been complete ass in any way, shape or form that FROM uses them, doesn't matter how pretty the visuals are if all im doing for most of the fight is running after them.

>>713570368 (OP)
Not really hard but:
>Final boss of the game is a random plesiosaur with a sword that has had 0 build up in the story at all
>Spends 90% of the fight running away from you and spamming projectiles
>Has the only other attack in the series besides Waterfowl that's bullshit enough that people actually know it by name
What a shit note to end the game on

>>713581009
>Has the only other attack in the series besides Waterfowl that's bullshit enough that people actually know it by name
what?

>>713581109
not him but probably elden stars

>>713570513
/thread

>>713581142
Does anyone besides no hit run autists care about Elden Stars? I never had trouble with it, its annoying but easy to deal with

>>713574212
Probably nothing since I have a feeling that Malenia's moveset was meant for Sekiro but it didn't make the cut and was then repurposed for Elden Ring.

>>713581009
I actually really loved the design of Elden Beast. It's based on the cosmic web, which is a theory that if you were to zoom out the entire universe further than the eye can see, that all of our galaxies would look like one big tree with connected branches, etc. Tetris Effect actually illustrates this, and is the best reference I can come up with.

So why was Mohg and Astel in two places at once

>>713581246
I think the only annoying thing about it is that it can spam it one after another. Or at least it did to me once, and since it constantly keeps running away to utilize it's ranged abilities.

>>713581483
Astel is the name of that thing's species, not it's actual name.
Mohg was guarding the three fingers so that no once could get the frenzied flame mark.

>>713576570
>>713579334
>>713579396
I feel like they just did this shit to save face

Mohg is still the "Lord of Blood" so he's not a good person by default anyway, being creamed by the faggot is just an excuse to go full retard

>>713581009
A FUCKING PLESIOSAUR

I don't know what cheesy in this context means but the hardest is obviously Promised Consort prenerf
As of now it's either Malenia or Promised Consort post nerf

>>713581009
What's up with From spamming the concept of magical fire and water monsters?

>>713576232
i didn't even use summons all that much but anyone that refused to is retarded and playing the game on a challenge mode (that they will then cry online about it being too hard)

>>713573687
Life steal is a pretty bad mechanic. Should never be in any game.
Waterfowl is also difficult to deal with if you dont look up the strat to deal with it

>>713579419
I haven't bought the DLC but my base game build would have destroyed him. I was a Fingerprint shield user with a poking halberd

Malenia was harder but you can actually just block the waterfowl (or in my case, dodge then block). You do it that way and she barely heals

>>713581810
I don't think people cared that much about Mohg being a good guy, but its still weird FROM tried to make Miquella this super powerful seductress.

The bussy can't be THAT good, cmon.

>>713580528
I hope I'm one day able to play Bloodborne at 60FPS and without input delay

>>713582141
to be fair, Shield turns radahn into a bitch despite him wielding 2 gigantic swords, which is funny since From's design formula nowadays is to make blocking useless and have you dance around enemy attacks, don't know what changed their mind this late in the game.

>>713570368 (OP)
The Hellkite dragon is dark souls 1. The entire fight is basically cheese or be cheesed.

>>713579863
>Maliketh
>full HP in his Phase 2
Little to no one would beat the game. Just thinking about this faggot spending half the battle in the air out or range annoys me.

>>713580542
Not to mention that Fromsoft put a cooldown on Waterfowl, because it was way too op to let her use it too oftenl. If you know the cooldown, you can just back off at the right time and trigger it from a distance with a throwing knife.

>>713582764
You can even knock her out of it from the air with an ice pot.

>>713570368 (OP)
>happy souls
i can't fucking wait for seamless ds2 dude holy fuck. especially since i got softbanned

>>713582764
>>713582953
>items
you didn't beat the game

>>713579816
>She is doable for shitters because some autist kills her naked, and there's also two or three specific builds who kill her easy and fast, s-s-she is a great boss and waterfowl dance is cool I swear !!!
God you are fucking retarded.

>>713574154
Waterfowl isn't "sort of bullshit", its the worst designed attack in the entire game. Not to mention half her attacks randomly give her special hyperarmor that makes her impossible to stance break. She's the ONLY boss in the game that does this. Even then, once you learn which moves give her the special hyperarmor, she would be an easy boss if not for her one absurd and retarded super-move.
All the DLC bosses were great besides Fagdahn. Rellana had lots of cool ways to space her attacks and was the best boss in the game. Messmer was pretty simple but was fun, basically a DS3 boss. The DLC overall had better bosses than the base game, people were just generally fatiguesd with the game's bullshit, and the DLC had bad levels.

>>713581009
Yea

At first I hated Messmer. Then I realized how brilliant the boss was. So I got gud. Now he's one of the top 5 Fromsoft bosses ever.

>>713571456
i remember really hating that boss not because it was hard but because i remember the FUCKING CAMERA wouldn't stop FUCKING AROUND. WOULD IT HAVE KILLED THEM TO MAKE THE FUCKING ARENA BIGGER

>>713583516
People find this thing hard? Challenging sure, but it's fine and fun to fight.

>>713583642
I've parried every parryable souls boss and he's up there in difficulty because most of his attacks can't be parried, and the ones that can look very similar. I don't do easy shit like summons or whatever. I've beaten Malenia on RL1.

>>713583642
Short of the Rhino and Mausoleum fights I didnt find any of them fun. It's like the rollslop insult got in their heads. All my bosses were like DS2 high Armour playthroughs, but with more manic spazing on attacks. Every fight was a dps race to proc behind a big sheild.

I do not look forward the day ER2 drops and the mid game boss are mostly Malenia and PCR tier, I might just skip or pirate the DLC if it's SOTE 2.0

>>713583982
It's the opposite. Rolling is disincentivized but you wouldn't know this because you don't block, parry or deflect.

>>713583984
How's nightreign, is it easier or harder than the DLC.

>>713584145
much easier

>>713584145
Nightreign bosses are all very easy because they have 30 min runbacks.

DS3 is the worst Souls because of the power of rollslopping

>>713584321
No game will ever be worse than DS2, and I'm sick and tired of contrarians pretending like it's good.

>>713571440
you can always mindlessly cheese consort via shield poking.

this is why malenia is harder than him.

>>713584321
>>713584398
I replayed both recently and you are both correct.

>>713584321
Rollslop has been a thing since Demon's Souls.

Radahn, Malenia, Maliketh, Godfrey are all dogshit awful bosses but most main bosses in ER are unforgivably shit. Way too little back and forth, way too much nonstop attack spamming and too little openings.

>>713584398
That one is comfy though

>>713572203
If there's attacks that can't be blocked, can't be jumped over and can't be parried. Why shouldn't there be attacks that can't be rolled?

>>713570513
yes. figuring out waterfowl on your own is 10/10 difficult.

>>713584459
>Godfrey
???????? My guy overdosed in delayed attack spamming to the point I can get free hits before he can slam his axe down

>>713584459
git gud

>>713583642
>People find this thing hard? Challenging sure,

>>713570513
Wrong, Melania has plenty of room for build expression and player flourish, you can stagger her, flip her in the air like a pancake, flatten her like a pancake, parry her to shit, and her waterfowl dance is just a spacing and timing challenge, Dancer, Dragonslayer Armor or Nameless Phase 2 in Dark 3 have my vote, no room for niche technique or build shenanigans, you can only roll and R1 - Dark 3's major problem is how stringent and non-reactive their base game bosses are; Melania is the opposite.

>>713584530
Yeah almost like the boss stops becoming a reaction test and starts becoming a "guess when the delay is finished" test.
In Demon's Souls, Dark Souls and hell even in 2, 3 and Bloodborne to a lesser degree, the player is reacting to an ATTACK and not just memorizing delays and mix-ups.
ER is like if Souls started copying Code Vein.

>>713570368 (OP)
The Nameless King

>>713578635
her sword should had lifesteal on it (magic blah blah), which would have made sense then.

>>713584604
This. It's so sad that /v/ whines about roll slop but refuses to do anything other than DS3 style poke and roll

>Replaying DS3
>Get to Dancer
I forgot how goddamn fucking fine her ass is.

>>713584398
>>713584398
Sorry bro, I think it was just too smart for you. You had to strategize and be patient instead of rythem gaming like your favorite Sekiro. Its not for the ADD who haven't read a book since highschool.

>>713570368 (OP)
Reddit art style
I can already tell this is one of those YouTube “humor” videos where the drawings look like something out of Penny Arcade and the funniest joke is something you would hear at the water cooler at an office job

>>713570368 (OP)
Dragon God
fuck that nigga

>>713584832
"Her"

>>713584897
>ancient wyvern 2.0
really? That's your hard boss?

>>713584864
If by strategize you mean, take a strike weapon and completely curbstomp the game because of poor balance then yeah.

>>713584864
Oh yeah man, DS2's design is so fucking good, and you totally don't defend it like your life depends on it because it was your first Souls game

>>713584940
OP didn't say hard, he said overpowered.

>>713585079
The guy got melted by 2 crossbows, that is anything but overpowered

>>713584929
Do you not read the soul descriptions?
"The Pontiff Sulyvahn bestowed a double-slashing sword upon a distant daughter of the formal royal family, ordering her to serve first as a dancer, and then as an outrider knight, the equivalent to exile."

>>713584994
I don't like ds2 because it filtered me hard. I'm not even going to say it was a bad game it's purely me being bad.
But I still don't like it.

>>713584490
because said attack was also unjumpable unparriable and not everyone is rocking a 100% psys + 70% holy guard greatshield to tank it

>>713585492
whenever you see people do this
>her
shit, it's them implying you've actually been attracted to a man all along, as some weird heavyhanded attempt to normalize their desire to suck a dick

>>713585492
"daughter"

>>713585697
Radahn left-right-cross IS parryable.

>>713585734
Kill yourself, rancid tranny

>>713585734
It's okay anon, you can enjoy sucking dick. Just do it on your own time. Still makes you gay.

>>713581268
shouldn't killing Malenia's Malenias just promote more rot pools that creates even more Malenias? I know that Malenia's Scarlet Aeonia was needed so she could Zenkai and she ended up shitting out crotch rot babies, but birthing life from the dead is literally Rot's whole shtick. I also know that Malenia is technically immortal, but her current rebirth shouldn't shit out any more babies.

God fucking damn it in post elden ring we're getting a bunch of mini malenias and big malenia fangirls as the elden lord aren't we

>>713585746
oh, i'm another anon so maybe we were talking about different attacks.
in my defense, i couldn't for the life of me dodge a single one of his retarded attacks.
i'm not joking when i say that any attack that summoned light pillars i just had to take for granted that i took damage from it

>>713578695
>Playing my traditional first playthrough sword 'n board knight build
>Get to Malenia
>Fight feels utterly impossible because the straight sword deals pitiful damage in the small windows I get and she heals off the damage if I use the board at all
>Basically, play perfectly or get hard countered and punished for rolling a modest build because the war of attrition is heavily skewed in her favor
>Try a few hundred times over a handful of days, can't play perfectly unfortunately (dude skill issue looool!!)
>Eventually get fed up and respec to dual Frost + Bleed katanas, wipe the floor with her in three tries by mashing attacks like a fucking ape to staggerlock her
Yeah it was really thrilling having my preferred playstyle completely countered by her design, definitely just an player skill problem and not abysmal dogshit (also she input reads like a dirty whore)

>>713583516
>Messmer: 59123 hit ultra combo brutality spin to win omnislash
>Player: backstep and thrust 59212545 times to win, maybe raise the shield sometimes at nothing until messmer trips from awe
I no longer see videos like these as interesting from gameplay standpoint. they just tell me how glaringly bad and starved the player moveset is

>>713586245
Sword and board is good against Malenia though.

>>713586345
I don't see how but I think that's kinda besides the point when you can bend her over effortlessly with the Correct Build, it feels disproportionately difficult and punishing to use the wrong build that takes so much more effort and precision to win

I know you can theoretically win with SL1 and a wooden spoon blah blah blah but I honestly just don't care, I'm not interested in dissecting a boss fight and nailing it perfectly. Getting caught in Waterfowl with sword 'n board was either "play safe and defend yourself so she heals half her HP bar" or "gamble your entire life on hitting the dodge" and neither of those options compare to "nuke her to death before she can even react by using the Correct Build"

>>713586613
>I'm not interested in dissecting a boss fight and nailing it perfectly.
Not him, but you're doomed to get called a retard over and over by people who are interested in that. I don't really like that either and prefer older souls games cause of it. Just a core design thing that changed at some point

>>713586345
>Sword and board is good against Malenia though.
I think you mean parry plate and sword, because nothing short of a greatshield stops malenia on her tracks and you'd get chip damage'd to death because
>blocking in souls games
>ever
but hey, you can just roll spam like every other build ever and win anyway, making the sword and shield setup pointless.

>>713586823
>blocking in souls games
>ever
Yes but this is elden ring not dark souls. You CAN block her even with a vagabond's heater shield because barricade shield exists. You will outdamage her as long as you keep guard countering and riposting.

>>713586910
That works great yeah
until she waterfowls

>>713585746
Yeah but good luck pulling that off mid-fight when the camera's having an epileptic seizure and Radahn's moonwalking across the field like it’s Dark Souls II all over again. Technically parryable? Sure. Practically? It's like trying to parry a freight train with a toothpick while blindfolded. Not saying it can't be done, but calling it “parryable” is like saying Melania's Waterfowl can be “dodged”-truth wrapped in copium.

>>713587072
Yes I can pull it off.

>>713581296
>if you were to zoom out the entire universe further than the eye can see, that all of our galaxies would look like one big tree with connected branches, etc.
That is how it looks, isn't it? Galaxies string together because of gravity, then you get the massive voids with nearly nothing in them between the galactic filaments.

>>713587072
No bro you're meant to fight him 100 times and memorize each timing autistically
I actually despise how fromsoft started filling their games with this obvious playtime filler shit and people celebrate it as "difficulty", memorizing timings and movesets isn't real difficulty, it's autist memory games

>>713581009
People know the name of elden stars because, like waterfowl dance, it is an ability the player can get, and also serves as the one (1) bit of story build up that Elden Beast gets.

>>713587268
No, people know the name because it's obnoxious and they googled how to deal with it. Nobody fucking knows what the ground move radagon does is called because it's not annoying

>>713579396
>the DLC revealed
it was revealed in the base game if you weren't a lorelet

>>713571456
she is easy as fuck and you also get a nice look at her perfect ass while fighting

>>713587492
I was going to say starcaller cry, but then I reread and saw you said radagon not radahn, and honestly you got me there idk what the weapon art for marika's hammer is called

>>713587195
>That is how it looks, isn't it?
We can only make an educated guess, which is what makes it a theory. The whole universe could look like goatse for all we know.

These are the most annoying enemies that I never die to. It's just every time you fight them, it's a pain in the ass and I'd honestly rather fight 10 DS2 ancient dragons back to back than fight another one of these. People hate them in Nightreign too, they have more HP than the fucking nightlords for no reason.

>>713573687
What irked me most, and this goes for a lot of Elden Ring, is the parry mechanic for bosses is dumb. Some bosses you have to parry three times before they stagger, and I think that doesn't reward playing in that style

>>713589720
It's fun and it's more balanced this way.

>>713584604
>>713584762
The irony of people complaining about rollslop while complaining about Malenia because they can't just rollslop their way through her will never not be amusing to me.

>>713589843
>It's fun
No it's not. The boss just stops what they're doing to reset their combo. Having to do that 3 times in a row ain't interesting. If they want us to parry multiple times in a row, just use Sekiro's system.

>>713586245
>preferred playstyle
Sounds more like you're just shit at your prefered playstyle then. The game allowing you to respec and change tacttics is designed exactly for you.

>>713589959
>No it's not.
It's fun to me.
>just use Sekiro's system.
Good thing they added that mechanic too so you can play it your way.

>>713572490
>>713572551
>>713572724
>>713572832
>>713572984
>>713576570
>>713579334
>>713579387
>>713579396
None of you understand the lore. Miquella is not even capable of romance or sex and Mohg was charmed when he kidnapped Miquella, not before.

>>713590003
Yeah, that hard tear is the only reason that DLC was bearable. Should have been a talisman, should have been patched in to the very start of Elden Ring.

>>713589203
They're fun if I have a greatbow

Radahn, easily. Before that probably Nameless King and his dumbass dragon.

>>713571456
I love her armor though

>>713589843
I think there's better ways to balance it, really
I wouldn't say it's fun either, just tedious, since once you learn the parry windows it's just repetitious.

>>713570368 (OP)
That Happy Souls video was cool until they stopped to jack off VaatiVidya for a full 30 seconds. A man who got famous for reading a wiki page.

>>713590120
Nameless King just had the "fuck your depth perception" arena. It's like Four Kings but Four Kings is easy as fuck it's just you can't ever tell where the attacks are gonna land unless you're hugging them, which is encouraged because of the hilt doing way less damage. What a weird fight, Four Kings has always been a DS1 enigma.

>>713590218
It's only repetitive if you sit there and do nothing while waiting for parry opportunities. You can block, jump, roll, parry to respond to different attacks from one boss. /v/ is capable of using only one defensive method at a time for some reason.

>>713590353
I think thry accidentally made the sourspot effect on their weapons way too strong and just never bothered to fix it

>>713584459
Godfrey is one of the few ER bosses that I always enjoy fighting.

>>713572832
I just dropped the game and lost all interest in Elden Ring when I learned Radahn being the final boss was real.

>>713590421
>It's only repetitive if you sit there and do nothing while waiting for parry opportunities.
I disagree.
The rest of your sentence is just you making up shit that no one said or implied.

>>713590056
>None of you understand the lore.
The devs don't understand the lore. Miyazaki is not capable of building a complex, coherent world.

>>713574212
I think if I could ever ask miyazaki a question this would be it. There's so many ways to deal with waterfowl but none of them feel good or right. That's always been my problem with it. Every other move in fromsoft I can envision what I'm meant to do even if it's a skill issue doing it

>>713590556
He can and did, you just can't read or even listen

>>713570513
I can consistently kill her at RL1 in a few tries now. My last run I killed her the first time I entered the fog gate at level 1. Consort Radahn is another story. I can still barely beat him even at level 200-300 without abusing greatshield pokes and RL1 is completely out of the question for me, and I grinded his fight at RL1 for about 18 hours. Even with the best spirit summons in the game, I can't do it, I can't even come close.

>>713590421
>You can block, jump, roll, parry to respond to different attacks from one boss.
There's no point unless they can't be parried. The rewards from successful parries are too big, even if you have to do 3.

>>713574517
>an attack she does when she hits like 55% or 60% health
I fucking wish that's how it worked. She can literally do it at any random point in the fight and multiple times. It's RNG bullshit.

>>713590752
The first time it is triggered by going under a certain threshold (though I think it's 65%), but then is random from there on out.

>>713590297
>until they stopped to jack off VaatiVidya for a full 30 seconds
Always sad when this shit happens. I will never get how people can continue to fellate someone who just regurgitates the wiki or other people's theories.

>>713577079
This version of Malenia still has the release variant of Waterfowl

>>713581009
>allows Torrent in his arena years after release instead of at launch
Fromsoft is so retarded

>>713571440
its cheesy bullshit cause he have the op diablo tranny backpack gear that add holy rain every attack so best meta its grab the biggest holy shield and bleed poke

>>713571456
just stick on her juicy ass and roll

I walked into Consort Radahn's fight with Ansbach and Thiollier in tow (for story reasons) and I could instantly tell the fight would be torture. I ended up using shield poke and Mimic Tear. Tough bastard still took me a couple tries but now it was actually fun.

>>713572551
nah shes is the worst assassin with a nuke in case of inminent failure trannyquilla should have hire the black knife harem

>>713571440
>pre-nerf Consort Radahn
is a joke

>>713590642
>He can and did, you just can't read or even listen
Elden Ring's lore is just mindless schizobait. There are very basic questions about the universe that Miyazaki couldn't even answer. Why does Miquella abandon his flesh twice? This is a very obvious, very basic continuity error that the game never bothers to attempt to answer.

Because Miyazaki is a fuck up who doesn't understand basic fantasy worldbuilding. He only got away with the lore in his earlier games by keeping everything relatively simple. Elden Ring branched out so much that it becomes obvious to anyone curious that Miyazaki has no idea what he's doing.

You are just a dull, unimaginative person swallowing loretuber slop if you can't see the obvious limits of his vision.

>>713570513
Everyone mentions Waterfowl but they seem to forget that phase's clone attack also suddenly turns her into a rot meat grinder that chunks your health bar so hard frame 1 if you happen to be too close when she hyper armors into it.

>>713573275
stagger would be a good way to make viable piledriver against mosquitos ACs AI without resorting to missile spam or be a mosquito AC builded but no lets make it for everything and neuter the dps for stagger phase closequarter

>>713570368 (OP)
those two in the dark souls 3 dlc the fire beast and his faggot friend or the two wolfs in the dark souls 2 dlc

>>713573521
its so funny rollfags cried in both bosses and shieldchads prosper in the latest boss added in elden cringe ignoring nightfart

>>713573687
imagine lady maria with more buffs including diablo vampire rune but you can self heal even by hitting nothing with your weapon and a fuck you vergil movement to punish bonk stagger combos

>>713570513
Yeah probably this.
She wasn't even hard but her entire kit is so unfun and cheesy as hell.

>>713574558
he can even catch you with his quakes if you float in the air 5 m tall

>>713581009
such a shit desgin
hands and a fucking sword

>>713573841
>slow rolling
there’s your problem right there, you’re supposed to strip to the stats essentials and light roll against her. simple as

>>713575104
she was a rotten woman her whole life

>>713593190
what's the point of designing so many armors when light load is the optimal way to play the game?

>>713573983
I would not feel diffrence, i never block in souls games

>>713577323
ill just complain her hyperarmor and fire doesnt burn her alive so strong cause the rot spores are like oil

>>713593249
Farm weight

>>713593249
>noooo you cant have one optional boss who is stronger against certain strategies !!!!!!!!!!!

>>713581009
>Spends 90% of the fight running away from you and spamming projectiles
But that's the best part. Like a moving obstacle course.

>>713581296
Yep I actually like how it's designed. Basically a spectacle boss fight.

>>713592868
>Why does Miquella abandon his flesh twice?
You post this in every thread you retarded schizo. His journey in the land of shadow is one of spiritual purification, not literally leaving bits of his physical meat behind. Did you think he was clinbing shadow keep hopping around with most of his limbs gone? No, he's a spirit, he's been a spirit since he left his body behind in the cocoon at Moghwyn Palace.

>>713581268
waterflow its genichiro buffed bosh rush update attack removing the flower vfx and extending it

>>713593417
Name one boss that prefers you having med and fat roll over light roll

>>713593249
not only that you barely have poise even with the best armor compared to dark souls 1

>>713593652
if they kept going experimental like demon souls a water boss that weight makes you like zelda iron boots so you can fight the boss without being gimped in movement and have a rune/ talisman for infinite water breathing

>>713592602
They changed the Torrent flag days before the release. Both Radhan and Elden turd were designed with him in mind.

>>713593249
That's why bloodborne is the best, that's when From stops pretending they want you to tank hits and just straight up frees up your roll movement regardless of equipment

>>713573687
She's honest, and anyone who says otherwise got filtered. Usually they are buttfurious DS1niggers who are bemoaning their inability to poise through everything and/or block every attack under the sun

>>713593905
she is honest, underpowered even, if she doesn't rely on that one crutch.

>>713593652
Actually most of them, since they don't care if you're light or med rolling but defenses make a difference
That was ez lol

>>713578635
>>713584757
Her lifesteal comes from her Great Rune.

>>713575517
Malenia was literally NEVER nerfed you fucking tourist kek
Way to yout yourself as a seething retardditor

>>713571456
Wtf, I'm a terrible player and immediately summon an NPC if there's one (there isn't one for the Dancer though lmao) and I solo'd her every playthrough, and I beat DS3 like 6 times. Just hide behind the pillars when she does the spinning attack, the rest is easy, you can make a lot of mistakes, she's slow enough to let you pop one flask after another.

>>713593249
it’s not the optimal way to play the game, just this one boss. it’s cool/good RPGing when part of your combat problem solving includes working out your kit

>>713589203
>Immune to debuffs
>Immune to stagger
>Entire fight consists of chasing its huge ass as it reverses towards the other side of the fucking world/outside of the fortnite ring
>Shockwaves out of the ass
>Head out of reach 942% of the time so its chip damage central
Fortnitesex must give heavenly blowjobs to have scored Vyke because holy shit I'd rather eat my own shit and puncture my ass with a fire extinguisher than to stay within the same postal code as one of these motherfuckers. they're so goddamn annoying to fight and take so long.

>>713594618
Vyke is gay? To a fucking dragon?

Dragonkin soldier is the worst boss in ER. The head is a weakpoint but you can't lock onto it and the moveset encourages you to hack at its feet. At least with ancient dragons you can spectral lance the head.

>>713594849
No, he's as straight as his spear. Fortissax was a girl.

>>713595018
it's only just this guy in this specific part of the map, otherwise they're non issue

>>713595060
what kind of girl's name is Fortissax? I'd expect something like Kamillesax.

>>713594849
>>713595060
Vike's dragon wife was Lansessax, not Fortissax.

>>713595062
It's not about difficulty, it's about poor design.

>>713595165
that doesn't make it any better

>>713595018
I hate how lanky and drunk it is. most of its attacks is it trampling me because it fucking tripped or it decided to punch the ground or its elbows tripped me after missing a swing because I was bellow its balls then its long ass dhalsim feet twisted over his elbows and then tripped me with a kick shockwave holy shit I hate their anatomy so much
why are their bellies gouged? are they giants that turned into scalies?

>>713595126
>>713595165
oh shit, my bad. Fortissax is late Godwyn's wife (male)

>>713572490
Artorias of the Abyss and it's consequences was a mistake
Bloodborne was a mistake
Dark Souls 3 was a mistake
From leaning into action much more than RPG hurts the games so much

>>713595230
I'm starting to think Wylder x Duchess isn't so bad after all...

>>713570513
>>713570368 (OP)
>>713570895
>>713571264

>>713576658
This is the right answer, it's exactly what OP is asking, it's got too much health and brutal punishes for not learning the fight and once you do, you're just walking towards and away from it to bait the less cancerous moves for what feels like hours.

>>713595296
Wylder...

>>713582019
The issue is with ER is that if you use all the tools it is way too easy but if you don't it is way too hard.
Cheesing bosses with bullshit weapon arts isn't fun, I miss DS1 and DS2 where the team didn't only put effort into boss fights and just half ass the rest of the game.
Only good thing about ER is that it added a ton of status effects, too bad most are useless except on other players

>>713595281
Never happened, git gud

>>713595407
Git gud

>>713595407
Good thing DS2 half assed the whole game, not just the bosses.

>>713595407
the only useless stat is madness and destined death, this is the first time bleed is busted in soulsgame PvE, poison is meh but you have rot as super poison which is equally as potent as bleed and frost.

>>713571440
>>713592789
>>713592835
>tfw good enough to beat pre-nerf Radahn with my OC poison meme build
>actually killed by a poison tick
damn it felt good

>>713595468
It put all of it's effort into build variety and rpg mechanics.
It is a better rpg than any other souls game and if you are clever enough and plan enough you can get out of any bad situation with almost any build.
The action is less polished in some ways but I never had a problem with it considering the sheer amount of player choice and while it is clunkier in some ways than the other games, in other ways it is smoother, like for example ricard's rapier is actually usable.
>>713595540
Aren't tons of enemies just immune to sleep too?
I remember learning about madness and thinking it was cool then learning it never procced on anything.

>>713595685
oh yeah, sleep too, not sure why they introduced that when the only thing it's for is Godskin cheese

>>713595742
I heard scarlet rot is good but I found it weak compared to the shit you could do in DS2 with poison/toxic.
I just dropped the game because I kept getting disappointed with stuff and I don't really like pure open world.

>>713595634
Kek that's great. Honestly anything goes for a boss like Radahn. After fighting him for an hour straight, I just decided I didn't want to waste more time and just try to have fun with whatever weapon/talisman combo I can cook up with my existing build.

>>713595685
>It put all of it's effort into build variety and rpg mechanics.
>It is a better rpg than any other souls
No it's not. It's awful. The gameplay was reduced to buffing on top of infused weapons and each build pivoting entirepy around that specific element.

Armor was downgraded to uselessness and poise was instantly countered by any hit or maybe dual hit for the weakest enemy and impossible to reset, while in PVP anyone just had the Stone Ring

Dark Souls 3 was an actual massive improvement to RPG mechanics because it begins heavily penalizing brainless choices and incentivizing using the damage types and infusions that the enemy is actually weak to else getting very little returns. It also hardcaps sheer leveling in favour of properly tuned builds and differentiated hybrid with pure builds through unbuffable special weapons and hybrid AR scaling system

Anyone have the webm of that Radahn insta-kill glitch where you disguise yourself and he just suicides?

>>713595407
Git gud

>co-op
They didn't beat the game

>>713595018
Souls games are not designed around lock on, learn to play

>>713595989
it's quite easier to play alone rather than with randos, especially the revenants

>>713592868
Retard

>>713593905
she is coping she won radahn

>>713594169
her lifesteal come from crappy ramen code overtuned

>>713573687
It filters shitters who spam and buffer attacks because she has the ability to initiate hyperarmor counters. Those are telegraphed and can be countered back, but when you are a shitter like most of /v/ is that's way beyond your IQ

>>713594618
yup head should have bigger damage and you can take down for critical attack after depleting their hp legs like tower knight demon souls melee
stance breaking only works with hyperarmor humanoids like margit

>>713594169
Her lifesteal comes from the Aspect of Rot she harbours
She literally saps and absorbs life

>>713596276
by that logic poison or rot bufss should have lifesteal too ( fartnite random buffs give it)

>>713595915
>No it's not. It's awful. The gameplay was reduced to buffing on top of infused weapons and each build pivoting entirepy around that specific element.
No it isn't, retards who had zero creativity were attracted to those builds but even in your webm I see multiple ways and builds to just counter that.
>lingering flame
>any shield with spell parry
>bow + dagger + stone ring
>fire snake
And so on.
>Dark Souls 3 was an actual massive improvement to RPG mechanics
No. Most spells, weapons, and non bleed status effects were shit and it was a roll spam fest where everyone could live forever and every battle was a painful attrition based clusterfuck because of sacred tear and plentiful heals.

>>713570513
I could deal with waterfowl and scarlet rot
But the fucking health on hit, EVEN IF THE ATTACK DOESN'T DAMAGE YOU made me fucking despise the boss immediately. Oh yeah just invalidate entire fucking playstyles and mandate that you fucking dodge roll exclusively, god forbid anyone wants to do a tankier build. The worst part is people defend this horseshit
Fucking shit boss.

>>713570513
>Outting yourself as a shitter

Couldn't be me. It's probably someone from DaS2 with some stupid ass gimmick like 2-kat or ancient Dragon's brick wall HP.

>>713596317
No it doesn't.
Malenia is the Goddess of Rot, and has within her the Aspect of Rot.
The player does not. Similarly, Romina has found a sacred bud which she weaves into a spirit glaive, a tool used as medium for communion with entities of the astral world
Only the Goddess of Rot can use lifesteal. Malenia's Great Rune was twisted by her host, not the other way around.

>>713580653
That's the fucking truth. Literally the only attack of hers I ever died to. You have to be blind or retarded to get killed by the rest of her attacks.

>>713573687
>play slow character
>if you block she heals
>if you manage to fat roll away but the attack still "connects" she heals
>you cant block through waterfowl without her healing
>waterfowl is the only move of hers that is actually threatening
She's a terribly designed boss

>>713596558
also almost kill mage build

>>713597097
If you're fat rolling in a Souls game then you literally need to get good.

>>713596558
>retards who had zero creativity were attracted to those builds
No you stupid faggot, anyone who didn't want to lose out on the ridicolous DPS race did.
>>lingering flame
>>any shield with spell parry
>>bow + dagger + stone ring
>>fire snake
>And so on.
None of this shit matter because the gameplay is literally having an infusion + buff that matches your dedicated damage stats. In Dark Souls 3/Elden Ring each build has multiple sources of damage all avaiable and infusions and buffs are mutually exclusive because they are different options for different builds with different stat distributions

Dark Souls 2 wasn't an RPG. There was zero incentive to the concept of build variety when it all came to stacking buffs. Pure physical builds didn't exist because who's the retards that would give up casting Resonant Weapon and have massive AR increase over any kind of weapon. There's no tradeoffs, no

Invaders were all pidgeonholed into spiced up heals or using warmth, while twinking was all time high due to the sheer buff insanity and players not even having to take a non scaling infusions. You would do more damage against a lava boss with fire infusion + fire buff + balm spam than with a correct elemental counter.
Nevermind armor being useless and absorbtion buffs not scaling and stacking additively on flat reduced damage values, rendering them pointless spells.

>>713597097
>you cant block through waterfowl without her healing
So? You can make a build to tank all her hits and still win.

>>713597309
Yeah I dunno why the faggot is crying about the boss healing back 3% when he does 10% of her health every hit and is safe from any damage behind his shield

>>713570513
Fpbp

>>713597097
Bosses like that are the logical conclusion for the people who demanded that the games keep focusing on action and shat on Dark Souls 2 for being slower and more RPG like.
The rollslop fags will demand "harder" bosses until eventually one that is so bullshit that no one likes it appears.

The seeds were sown in the "hard" bosses in the DS1 dlc and BB doubled down, and so did DS3. You should have listened but it's too late: it's the grave you chose.
>>713597303
>None of this shit matter because the gameplay is literally having an infusion + buff that matches your dedicated damage stats. In Dark Souls 3/Elden Ring each build has multiple sources of damage all avaiable and infusions and buffs are mutually exclusive because they are different options for different builds with different stat distributions
The issue with this way of thinking is that you are entirely relying on numbers and stats when DS2 teaches you that is a flawed conclusion sometimes. If you just rely on your stats and charge in, you die. End of story. The pvp clips you post are the result of retarded players not understanding strategy besides charging in.

People who just like that shit are only gonna like the action slop games and not the games where you have to rely on stacking the deck in your favor, or if they do play them they are just going to play the easiest builds which are as you described.
>Invaders were all pidgeonholed into spiced up heals or using warmth
Ring of restoration and stalling was a tactic, so were other tactics you neglect like butcher's knife + stacking regen and tons of other things.
>You would do more damage against a lava boss with fire infusion + fire buff + balm spam than with a correct elemental counter
This is a fucking lie and why so many people struggled with smelter demon or the ruin sentinels.
I bet you think ADP is a super important stat you need more than like 9 or 10 of too, you fucking no skill mongoloid.

>>713597360
She doesn't heal back 3% you colossal retard

>>713597309
after 40 minutes first phase

>>713595181
Lansessax is explicitly female though.

>>713598094
Your mom's explicitly female, fag

>>713597631
People like you are retarded Dark Souls 2 fanboys because that was your first game. You are braindead and have zero critical thinking
>Ring of restoration and stalling was a tactic, so were other tactics you neglect like butcher's knife + stacking regen and tons of other things.
Yes waiting for hp to be restored in 4 minutes is extremely viable and totally not a made up scenario only existing in your head where the host is completely brain damaged or a crippled kid.
>This is a fucking lie and why so many people struggled with smelter demon or the ruin sentinels.
No it's not. You can do upwards to 800 damage with Fire on Smelter Demon because elemental resistances mean jackshit in Dark Souls 2 and are countered by flat AR bonuses you get from buffing matching infusion. This is actually a "feature" Dark Souls 2 fans highly praise, they can go through the whole game with the same exact weapon and buff and be efficient, while they hate split damage defense application introduced by Dark Souls 3 where you have access to multiple damage types and meant to swap out weapons, spells and infusions depending on threats.
Using lightning weapons on Sihn or Ancient Dragon doesn't matter because my fire infused lost sinner sword does better
>no skill mongoloid.
Ironic

>>713596276
Her Great Rune gives you lifesteal, dingus.

>>713597631
>Dark Souls 2 for being slower and more RPG like.
Oh boy I sure love using fire on a dragon

>>713598258
Well yeah, it's a poison element dragon

>>713598236
Malenia gave lifesteal to her great rune, retard

>>713584415
Malenia falls even harder to shield-poking than Radahn does though.
She has fuckall for posture and her stance-meter is like the worst of all bosses. For both of her phases too.

>>713598112
Aren't they all?

>>713598280
https://darksouls2.wiki.fextralife.com/Sinh,+the+Slumbering+Dragon
>Resistances: Fire
Now say it without crying

>>713598394
Vs Fire buffed Greatsword R1: 590 damage

>>713570368 (OP)
From what I've played so far, Friede. Two relatively easy phases followed by "fuck you die 20 times before you learn the patterns and spend at least 5 minutes getting back each time". What horrid boss design.

HOW DOES THIS COCKSLEEVE HIT HARDER WITHOUT HIS FUCKING LEGS?!?!? IT'S BULLSHIT

>>713572490
Whoever thought the skibidi toilet fragments were a good idea deserves to be punished.
>B-but people would go in the DLC with OP builds!
So? People could do that in every Dark Souls DLC. Alternatively, the fragments couldn't be that bad if you weren't meant to search every acre of the map to find every hidden fragment.

>>713585734
You are a stupid nigger, please get off the HRT

>>713570783
Ultimate zinaida was more bullshit. Seraph wasn't that bad as far as armored core superbosses go

>>713599605
Shut the fuck up, shitter drone
It's smithing stones except they are universal, there's nothing wrong with them.

>>713599543
people with no legs often develop stroger arms to compensate, so maybe that's why

>>713573687
her waterfowl and phase 2

>>713576658
I decided to beat Midir as Ornstein. Took me about 13 minutes.

>>713584604
>Nameless Phase 2
Dragonslayer Armor's shield turns him into a joke

>>713584604
>Dancer, Dragonslayer Armor or Nameless Phase 2 in Dark 3 have my vote, no room for niche technique or build shenanigans, you can only roll and R1 -
Retard

>>713596737
2kat was awful mainly because of the run you had to make to get to them. But then again all the 'gimmick' bosses from the DLCs were awful in a way or another.

I beat all this guys first try
Just download cheat engine and give yourself infinite hp and they're really easy
Noobs don't do this, they're too low IQ to think outside the box

>>713600973
After playing Bloodborne I keep expecting the charged strong attack to stagger the Armour and make him open to a Riposte

>>713601530
Play Lies of P

>>713570513
>>713571440
Real answers.

>>713595915
>Dark Souls 3 was an actual massive improvement to RPG mechanics
>Roll and r1 the game talking about RPG mechanics.
KEK
DS3tards should lower their tone when in a thread discussing other Fromsoft titles.

>>713579971
Fucking Commander Gaius

>>713570368 (OP)
Pre-nerf Consort Radahn easily.
I beat him after two days anyways With a dueling shield poke build
Malenia is a meme, she can be absolutely stomped with multiple setups, while against DLC Radahn your only cheese option was giga-buffed shield poke and chugging through his lasershow.

For me it's a tie between Zinaida and J.
Zinaida for being a perfection test during the level itself, and J for being a fucking build test as a final boss. I hate the Tri-damage system of AC:VD. Fighting a fucking NEXT in a normal should've been the challenge without removing third of your weapon choices because Black Glint is basically immune to everything except Kinetic. Fuck that.

>>713602061
>>Roll and r1 the game
But enough about Dark Souls 2

>>713581009
>plesiosaur
How have I not seen it until now

>>713600973
You've replaced rolling R1 with R1s & R2s, the depth!

>>713606553
DS2 has Gyrm shield with 80 stability and a ring that gives you even more stability, you can block everything with that

>>713570513
git gud

>>713570513
sekiro last boss is harder