Thread 713575280

What was the point of this character?

You don't need a point if it's sexy, faggot

>>713575280 (OP)
goon

>>713575280 (OP)
unironically, just to have women cosplay as her

>>713575280 (OP)
The point is that I came several times to this bitch and I've never even played her game

>>713575280 (OP)
you could ask that about the entire game pretty much. What was even the point of the body doubles story? How did that even relate to Solid or Big boss and the overall story whatsoever? What did it even add? Along with the rushed and seemingly incomplete ending that had like no impact or valuable lesson.

>>713575408
She was supposed to tie into the theme of speech/language that doesn't really come together in a satisfying or interesting way.

>>713575494
>doesn't really come together in a satisfying or interesting way.
It satisfied my dick, which is all it had to do

>>713575484
it fixed a retcon.

>>713575484
>that had like no impact or valuable lesson
filtered

>>713575280 (OP)
Reward for her actress for servicing Kojima on his casting couch.

>>713575647
Like they couldnt have just fixed it in 4 or peace walker. Thats not an excuse to make an entire unfinished unresolved game about an irrelevant body double and even change the voice actor. It ruined pretty much some legitimacy the franchise had.

>>713575712
So then explain replacing the main voice actor when they didnt do it for the Japanese version. Hideo literally just replaced a vital part of the franchises identity and acts like its nothing. Thats awful. They treated Hayter so bad and cheapened the franchise in the process

>>713575737
what's so unfinished? it tells everything it needs to tell.

>>713575280 (OP)
She starts out as your assassin and ends up being your only true ally. Beautiful irony.

>>713575842
So what was the main theme of the game? Name one thing it communicated

>>713575280 (OP)
>What was the point of this character?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACSrsacXb4Q

>>713575927
you're a retard for idolizing big boss. here's your wish come true. enjoy bucko.

>>713575927
>So what was the main theme of the game?
Lingua franca

>>713575804
Hayter has been fucking up for a while and he obviously is a Konami plant I am not going to throw hate at him because he still gave the MGS1 performance but man he lost the plot. Dude from 24 which I actually hate did an infintely better job. Let's be real here.

>>713575957
Uh no im not retarded for idolizing him. He had a perfectly normal response in doing what he did. He saw firsthand that governments arent worth a fucking shit and will throw someone away like they're nothing and he said alright fuck them. Dont let MGSv gaslight you

>>713575484
Kojima made an entire game to explain how there were two Big Boss. Nevermind the fact that it was in the two oldest games that most people never played, or that you could fix it by just saying it was a body double and leave it at that instead of ruining the last MGS game ever.

>>713576085
I think Kiefer was great but it just makes you rethink the entire franchise and how much it really meant. If youre just going to throw away something so vital why even take it seriously? It screws up everything about it

>>713576085
>Dude from 24 which I actually hate did an infintely better job. Let's be real here.
Kiefer Sutherland definitely did a good job and I enjoyed his performance, but he's still not the Solid Snake everyone knows and loves and I completely understand people's anger at him replacing Hayter.

>>713576153
Yeah the body double was largely irrelevant. The vast majority of people didnt arguably even need to know who this guy even was.

>>713575957
He wasn't even the real villian it was Miller. Miller is the one who set it all up and BB just went along with it because yes he wanted it too but he wasn't the real mastermind behind Outer Heaven it was Miller the piece of shit.

>>713575804
>>713576085
To this day we don't know why Kojima didn't want to use David hayter. And no, whatever argument you are trying to find doesn't hold up if you realise that the Japanese voice actor for snake was never replaced.

And yeah David Hayter works with Konami, why shouldn't he? Clearly Kojima has no interest in working with him.

>>713575280 (OP)
Quiet is Chico. Kojimbo predicted the trans wave. A true visionary.

>>713576212
you can argue this about everything post MGS2. who gives a shit it's entertainment and most people have 200 hours in the game at minimum so they enjoyed it enough.

>>713576312
Sure I platinumed it but MGS is known for its deep and important themes to just say oh this guy has a different voice

>>713576207
>he's still not the Solid Snake everyone knows and loves
Neither is Hayter. Let's be real here. Hayter's performance has been lacking for a while. He has not being Snake for 20 years.

>>713575635
>horse face

>>713576441
It doesnt even matter. Imagine if they replaced Joel Millers voice actor with another guy or Geralt from Witcher 3 for example. It would delegitimize the whole story for a lot of people. bad identity crisis

>>713575280 (OP)
Anal horse sex

>>713576157
They are all clones who knows if a clone has the same voice or not? Nigger are you a PhD in clone voices? Shut the fuck up. You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about but then you pretend you have spend years thinking about it. You haven't. You are just a faggot.

>>713575280 (OP)
Booba

>>713576747
Guess what retard? They didnt even replace the Japanese Big Boss voice actor and he voiced Venom as well so your stupid ass argument is nullified dumbass. Find a better argument

>>713575280 (OP)
The best animated horse porn that will ever exist.

>>713575280 (OP)
To make me buy the game

>>713576840
It doesnt mean anything you stupid faggot. What the fuck does it matter? Tell me because I don't understand what you are trying to say.

>>713575280 (OP)
Same reason there's footfaggotry in this hack's latest slop. Because Kojima games are vanity projects. This solely serves to get his micropenis hard.

>>713577084
People always say oh its a clone/body double so he can have a different voice canonically. Right? But Hideo didnt replace the Japanese voice actor even for Venom Snake or Big Boss. So thats not a valid argument at all now because he only replaced the english one. No consistency.

>>713576849
>>713576731
/Thread

>>713577151
I already told you nigger that it doesn't matter because nobody has ever heard a clone talking. Nobody knows if a clone sounds like the original or not so stop this nonsense. It doesn't fucking matter if Kojima didn't change the Japanese VA because nobody knows how a clone sounds like you fucking retarded monkey. Having the Japanese VA never change but the American one change doesnt fucking matter one fucking bit. They could both be canon at the same time. Nigger show me the proof a clone has to have the same voice before you insist trying to make this retarded argument.

>>713577663
How can they both be canon at the same time retard? I never said the clone has to have the same voice but why didnt they change the japanese voice actor as well for the fucking clone? Why did the jap VA get to keep his role? How in the fucking world do you not see a problem with that? The Big boss jap va who did every snake played the clone so theyre implying the clone sounds like Big boss. So when they replaced david they essentially said big boss doesnt sound like david anymore

>>713577840
>How can they both be canon at the same time retard?
Because nobody has ever heard a clone talking. In fact, a clone voice can change to a completely different voice for all we know because we have no record of any clone ever existing. Who knows why they didn't change the Japanese voice? Also we don't even know if it was Kojima who kept him as Snake or if it was Konami.

>>713578421
You dont have to hear a clone talking to know that theyre implicating a voice change for Big boss. We know that venom is fine to have a different voice actor, but in japan they kept his voice the same as big boss so that can go right out the window. Theyre not just saying venom has a different voice. Theyre saying big boss also has a different voice

>>713576731
>Not vaginal impreg
Not based

Bauer > Snake

>>713578421
By not doing it right, theyre literally telling you Venom sounds exactly like big boss. So that means to them that the clone didnt even need a new voice actor to begin with. Its just a poor decision

>>713576747
>>713578421
I just wanted to chime in and say you are literally like 75 IQ, genuinely

>>713578693
Hes literally retarded. I dont understand how he doesnt pick up on this stuff. This is like elementary stuff

>>713578693
Elaborate. I bet you won't elaborate because you are retarded nigger.

>>713575280 (OP)
half naked assassin chicks are high art.

There is no legitimate lore reason for why David hayter wasn't used in mgsv. The real world reason is very likely because Kojima fucking loves Hollywood actors.

>>713575280 (OP)
To make you ashamed of your words and deeds

>>713575280 (OP)
My dick is pointing at her

>>713579029
Because Venom is not a clone.

>>713582731
Then why in the Japanese dub did Venom sound identical to Big Boss? Same voice actor

>>713582879
Misdirection.

>>713582731
You are retarded. Venom is literally voiced by solid snakes and big boss voice actor

>>713583113
What do you even mean? Youre not even trying to argue anymore?

>>713583119
then why are you complaining?

I love the fuck fart edits of her horse hentai videos shit is sexy asf

>>713583183
Hes voiced by Solid and Big boss actor in japan. This differs for the US dub. Which is why people were complaining. This casts doubt on Hayters replacement being faithful to their claims

>>713575280 (OP)
to make you ashamed of your words and deeds

>>713583113
Where is the misderection and who is being misderected by what exactly? This guy in the picture is voicing venom, boss, solid snake in every mgs game ever made with the exception of MGS4 where solid and big boss are talking to each other.

>>713583305
Which Venom being a clone needing a different voice as an argument doesnt hold up because they kept him but not Hayter even for the clone the same way

because if he chaged both va everyone would have know a plot twist before the game came out. changing only one threw a smoke bomb about venom and kept people talking and making theories which played into kojimas misdirection

>>713579029
Because Venom isn't Naked snake. Literally, he is a stand in to create outer heaven. A proxy to create a villain. That is the entire point of MGSV. Being a villain, to obfuscate Big boss.

>>713583692
That didnt apply to the japan version though. They were spoiled right from the go. So thats not valid either

>>713575280 (OP)
I don't even know what the point of the game was. There was zero plot and it ends without any sort of resolution or purpose. The first 45 minutes of the game are great but there's literally no reason to play after that. Every criticism I've seen for botw goes double for mgsv. At least botw had a fucking beginning middle and end. There's no payoff for anything in mgsv

>>713583784
Then why does Venom have Big boss voice from all the previous entries in the japan dub?

>>713575280 (OP)
Kojima testing the waters for hiring actors and actresses and models, literally that's all.

He's not clever. His bullshit explanations even years after 5 flopped, still change all the fucking time.

>>713575280 (OP)
The only point of current Kojima characters is so Kojima can meet celebrities and models and take photos with them for his Twitter.

>>713583897
Yes it does and I already explained it.

>>713583951
That, I do not know. I've only listened to the English dub, sorry.

>>713584010
You cant even explain why they didnt also change the jap va if it was truly about getting venom, the body double an accurate voice for a new character if they just used the same jap one anyways. Sure they used Kiefer for both in america but why couldnt it just have been Hayter at that point?

>>713575408
Retarded cumbrain

>>713584097
nobody knew venom was a new character we all thought it was bb. this is why i dont engage with you, you are all low iq and arguing in bad faith. whats the point? you didnt get it. it filtered your low monkey brain. even 10 years later and you still dont get it. kys

>>713583996
>Kojima testing the waters for hiring actors and actresses and models, literally that's all.

But aren't actors being replaced by CG and AI? That seems to be what Hollywood is obsessed with doing and since Kojima worships Hollywood it sounds like what Kojima would truly end up doing, make fictional ai original actors for his movie games.

>>713584249
Yeah but the argument is that Venom needed a distinct voice actor because he was a different guy but the jap va didnt change for him as well.

>>713584004
But the people Kojima meets are shit. No one gives a damn about them. The last true powerful starlet Hollywood celebrities are examples like Johnny Depp and Leonardo Dicaprio. If you think Tom Holland or Shitty Zendaya or that faggot from live action Last of Us are actually famous do think twice.

>>713575280 (OP)
She was learning to walk so she could run

>>713584418
I already tackled that, you just ignored it. I would love to engage but if it's meaninful conversation about these other great themes in MGS that are downplayed and ignored by retards like you. Themes about misdirection and information manipulation and the sort that Kojima uses in the games and in the marketing of the games, specifically with MGSV. There's nobody in gaming that employs these things like Kojima does.

>>713575280 (OP)
She's someone who can never live her life as a normal woman or a trusted soldier ever again due to her history and the nature of her condition, she is dehumanised, subjected to daily abuse from the staff of motherbase and regular torture from miller for the right to serve under big boss, while paradoxically being housed in a barred cage for the very men slinging insults to gawk at for their entertainment and titilation.

Quiet embodies the idea of the loss of dignity in the context of "the phantom pain"

>>713584476
Tom Holland has been in multiple billion dollar movies, at this point he is bigger than DiCaprio and Deep both of which are old and only old people knows them.

>>713575280 (OP)
I was shocked when i shot her and she died.

>>713576157
>>713576207
He sounds too similar to Roebuck from Cod WaW so that's all i hear when he speaks.

>>713576207
>Kiefer Sutherland definitely did a good job and I enjoyed his performance, but he's still not the Solid Snake everyone knows and loves
The voice of Snake everyone knows and loves is Akio Ohtsuka.
Localizations (a secondary product) can never hope to be better than second-rate. Scotty D and that one bitch got exposed as fraud translators who made shit up.

>>713576849
>>713576731
I absolutely despise and hate everything to do with beastiality but that shit was absolutely kino. Totally wild degeneracy that made me diamond hard.

>>713579505
This was the answer I came into this thread looking for.

>>713584795
Themes about misdirection only go as far as screwing with the American cast, not the jap one. So its insincere, dipshit

>>713575280 (OP)
She's Venom's Eva, or Pan.
Skull face saw Big Boss get fucked over by trusting women twice, why wouldn't it work a third time?

>>713585379
Already answered. Dipshit.

>>713585237
Supremely based

>>713585476
So how do you excuse the misdirection theme being held to different standards by region? Dumbass fuck. Why change it here but not there if its supposedly faithful?

>>713585613
Already answered. If Kojima changed both vas everyone would have known Venom was not the real Snake. Why do I keep answering to a low iq monkey?

>>713585109
sutherland was a voice actor in waw there is a interview about this on youtube with him
>>713583305
wasn't mgs4 the game which had the japanese irl father & son VA the game for solid and BB ? that was a nice touch

>>713586630
Why even change one at all then?

The Joost should have tried to get a job as Kojima's secretary or some shit, it's genuinely sad seeing her as a childlesd 35 year old woman streaming games.

>>713586870
misdirection

She's quiet, but not 'that' quiet.

>>713587165
If the point was misdirecting people why did they fail to do it on the jap audience?

>>713587313
It didn't. Japanese people were also midirected by the change of the American va.

>>713587434
So youre saying that the American voice actor is the only one that mattters

>>713587728
No, I said both were misdirected.

>>713587165
Where is the misderection and who is being misderected by what exactly? This guy in the picture is voicing venom, boss, solid snake in every mgs game ever made with the exception of MGS4 where solid and big boss are talking to each other.

>>713587905
Misdirection by the news American VA was replaced and also the news Japanese VA was not replaced.

>>713587824
Yeah but if you had never heard of the American VA change then it wouldnt be communicated in the game itself well. It would just be Snake from all the previous games voice again

>>713587905
so is hayter, only difference is akio is bb in v and hayter isnt. why?

>>713575280 (OP)
so retards would know this is not the real Big Boss

>>713588167
Yeah if you were not anticipating the game and expecting for news about it then the effect would not work the same. But later on these people would have come across the news and then they would feel a Phantom Pain as they were left out an important event of the experience unbeknownst to them.

>>713588505
I knew when I heard that the parasites or whatever affected speech/vocal cords it was a vanity project for kojima. It was just a shitty excuse to afford Sutherland because hes obsessed with movies. Thats it

>>713575280 (OP)
to make you ashamed of--
>>713579505
fuck.

>>713575484
>body double forced to take on the role of Big Boss against his will
>"how does this relate to the rest of the story?"
anon if you cannot see the thematic connections you may have metal shoved into your skull

>>713588906
Big Boss wasn't a bad guy.

>>713588687
I accept your concession.

>>713575280 (OP)
>make a game called MGS5
>it's not a sequel or prequel to MGS1-4 but actually about a bunch of spinoff psp games nobody played
what was the point of this whole game?

>>713589041
No concession to be had. Youre the one who cant refute that very comment. Go cope some more

>>713589089
No dignity.

>>713589058
My thoughts as well. Also why they made a PSP game a mainline canon game will always be baffling. Such a bizarre decision. It includes some body double that was retconned in and furthered this globohomo narrative that Big Boss was somehow wrong for trying to fuck over corrupt governments

>>713589010
Never claimed that anon, my point is that the thematic connections and parallels between Venom Snake and Solid/Liquid should be obvious

>>713589145
I know you dont have any. Youre running from the truth, kiddo. One day you might accept that sometimes things are flawed

>>713589158
The PSP is cool thingy (never had one) and Kojima made this game to be mgsv. The peace logo motive is him downlow calling it 5

>>713589208
I will gladly debate the parasites when you accept you changing subjects was admitting defeat.

>>713589303
To add to that, never forget that Kojima wanted to literally kill Snake via suicide in MGS4 because he never wanted to make another mgs game ever again. So you should always keep that in mind when talking about peace walker and mgsv

>>713589058
>spinoffs nobody played
It's one game and anyone who cares about the series did.

>>713589373
Thats not admitting defeat. Youre just not facing very valid points. Changing the voice actor is a canonical serious change and its not for misdirection. Youre looking too deep into it. He just wanted to associate with Hollywood and making it about vocal cord parasites lessened the budget to put it in margins with having high paid actors. Youre delusional if you dont believe this.

>>713575408
Vicount's mistress > chinless wonder

>>713589493
Yes I know I am facing not very valid points and you know this too which is why you changed the subject to vocal cord parasites lmao. Thanks for admitting it.

>>713589697
It just corroborates the theory. If they didnt replace the japanese voice actor then the whole thing is bullshit period. Stop making excuses for these fucking game developers you sheep.

>>713589408
>o-only real fans played it!
guess a lot of people 'didn't care about the series'. kinda weird that they cared before and after that entry though.

>>713575280 (OP)
>What was the point of this character?

The point was to induce boners

>>713589946
Damn, MGS2 almost sent the franchise into an early death. Holy fucking shit. Disaster

>>713589893
which theory? the japanese va couldnt be replaced aswell because the whole thing would be spoiled. not excuses, just trying to show you the genius of kojima that you refuse to see. you are too much of a simpelton.

>>713590115
Then it shouldve been a dead giveaway when the american one was replaced. Thats not just something you do. That means that people probably thought from the get go that it wasnt big boss

>>713590006
the raiden bait and switch was very poorly received. the game still being great and having that awesome (plagiarized) main theme really helped keep it afloat.

>>713590196
Youve got to be kidding right? Its like the ramblings of an edgy 14 year old.

>>713590189
no because only the american one was replaced.

>>713590313
Yeah that shouldve been the main sign that something fishy was going on. Its almost like they didnt even think that through. That alone would spoil it

>>713590295
can you elaborate on which part of my post exactly you're crying about?

>>713590350
it was a misdirection. a planned manipulation of both information and the fans.

>>713590434
MGS2

>>713590434
Are you saying that in and of itself isnt an obvious giveaway of the entire plot twist? Any way you go with it its sketchy

he gave up and with that accepted defeat

>>713591086
the whole post was about MGS2. choose which thing that you're wrong about and I can address it in more detail if you'd like:
1. mgs2 bait-and-switched raiden into the franchise and there was a mild fan backlash about it
2. the main theme was plagiarized and can't be used in promotional material anymore
3. it was still a great game despite the above
those were all of my assertions.