There, a clear and concise definition of SOVL that is simple enough for even /v/tards to understand.

video games?

>>713575497
Yes, videogames can have soul.

>>713575341 (OP)
epic repost, sister, here's your attention

>>713575341 (OP)
>confirms
Stop reading there

>trannies out of nowhere
imagine being this mindbroken over troons and letting them live this rent free in your head

>>713575341 (OP)
You either get it or you don't, and some people just won't ever be able to understand

>>713575603
wtf are you talking about

>>713575651
just classic/tbc
WOTLK is where shit started getting complex and is the grey area between classic and retail (with cata being the unquestionable cutoff point)

>>713575692
i think HE is the one with trannies living in his head

>>713575341 (OP)
yeah you like this you slut??? TAKE IT AHHH TAKE MY REPLY, ENJOY IT SLUT AAAHHH YEAH TAKE ALL OVER YOUR SCREEN, ENJOY YOUR NOTIFICATION, AH THANKS BITCH.

>>713576073
mfw I get a (You)

nah that's wrong
Soul vs Soulless came about because of the Spyro remakes
The original spyro games had a lot of thought put into their design while the remakes were mindlessly whacked together by pajeets using stock assets

These guys are unironically saying slop is soul because it has lots of imperfections

YOOOO LOOK AT THAT SOUL

>>713575341 (OP)
Superstitious gobbledygook.

>>713576509
>that random dot
VGH...THE SOVL...............

>>713576509
what if both are soulful though albeit

>>713576625
Perchance.

>>713575341 (OP)
this is actually incorrect, SOVL is just competency and nothing more. this is the reason why it transcends aesthetics, and why old games can have sovl, it's because they were made by artists that got to show their creativity and be competent in the face of constraints; modern day games have much less constraints, and similar to modern art you have to REALLY understand technical limitations just to be capable of appreciating it. (but this doesn't mean that modern games have SOVL that you're just missing: a lot of problems are solved, and it's very easy to make things that look 'good'.)

>>713576762
one may not simply proclaim "perchance"

I drawed a circle

>>713576509
>using line tool instead of freehanding it
left is unironically soulless

>>713576831
So TLOU2 is soul

>>713577127
forced soul

>>713575341 (OP)
>unironic
Might be the second biggest indicator you're talking to a fucking moron.

>>713577240
found the soulless zoomiezoom

Post your circles

>>713577172
does it look competent? i am not under the impression TLOU2 was particularly competent, it seemed very derivative of the first game with worse writing that deliberately shit on fans. i don't play much vidya anymore, but the last SOVL game i saw outside of rereleases would be FF7 Rebirth, which is very impressive technically. counting rereleases, then xenoblade chronicles x for sure is one of the most SOVL games of 2010s

>>713577127
i always wondered how people drew like that, with the random streaks of white pixels in a line and varying thickness
is there a brush for that or is it manual?

>>713577521

>>713577209

>perfect circles are soulle-- ACK!

>>713577553
eraser of various small sizes probably

>>713575341 (OP)
>the one on the left is more interesting to look at
I guess if you're a hobo. for me the right one is infinitely better to see.

>>713577521

>>713577521

>>713577349
Unironic is zoomerspeak THOUGH
Mindbroken by zoomer bvlls

>>713577725
I'm gonna puke...

>>713577553
using a chalk

>>713577691
Im trans btw

>>713577639
Not perfect, bottom is a littttttttle bit off. That's why it has soul. It's remarkable for being almost perfect yet still human.

>>713575341 (OP)
>soul = dogshit
nice to know the disinfo will get more coverage than the actual >>713576284 thing

>>713577521

>>713577749
Just because you capitalized THOUGH to indicate that you're aware of it being a faux pas in the shartysphere, that doesn't exempt you from having just done it yourself. Hopefully you grow out of this shit soon

>>713577521

>>713577521

>>713577521
i stylized mine

>>713577521

>>713577521

>>713575341 (OP)
nice try but no, something being shoddy is not it
ei AIslop is shoddy and inaccurate/imperfect and "unique" every gen being different

same as shoddy low quality shovelware, any rushed low quality craft is your 'imperfect circle', even if you limit it to something made by humans

>>713577553
NTA but it could be both. Either it's a pixel brush replicating paint brushes (bristles don't usually touch a page the same way, leaving small lines on the side,) or it could be someone doing many quick, light lines on the page, and since most people don't keep their hand at the exact same elevation at all times. There can be part of the line that dissappears.

>>713575341 (OP)
You're right, which is why people should always eat out at restaurants that look dirty because a clean restaurant feels manufactured and has no story.

Wabi-Sabi nigga

>>713577521

>>713578335
I'd much rather buy food from a family-owned hole in the wall than some sterile corporate place where everything is "perfect"

>>713578489
>when a snowbunny tries her best with her first bbc

>/v/ would fuck this

>>713577553
Yes they use a tablet
You can just chicken scratch your thickness

>>713577725
>>713578278
SOVL
>>713577521
>>713577613
>>713577626
>>713577716
>>713578002
>>713578165
>>713578260
>>713578480
SOULESS

>>713576284
>>713577923
cause its not just a wall its the whole chinese wall of text for some factoids no one cares about

>>713575341 (OP)
newfag containment thread

>>713576284
>Soul vs Soulless came about because of the Spyro remakes
Holy zoomzoom

>>713577521

>learning how to draw
>ask friends on how to improve
>tell me to study anatomy and a bunch of dumb shit
>just want to draw cute girls
i hate it

ai sisters...

>>713578973
Africa now has no water thanks to this prompt.

>>713578647
fuck you

>>713575651
When did yu gi oh cards have essays n shiet

>>713579142
>only one piece of media wich is a porn comic was ever made of this blonde
man fuck germss for not giving me more of that cutie.

>>713578958
how would you even draw good boobs and ass if you dont understand anatomy
anatomy is not as hard as actual drawing, just look up some tuts

>>713579035
uhm

based???????????

>>713579142
>>713579214
>porn
may I have the sauce anons?

>>713579259
i just copy artists
i did the thing of drawing circles and cubes for a month and hated it

>>713575341 (OP)
By this definition nothing is soulless because everything is flawed in some way. Retard OP.

>>713579259
grossly oversized.
tasteless.
indian.

>>713578958
got the full pic?

>>713579536
i do but I don't want to take a vacation. i drew it after all :)

This thread is living proof that anyone who says soul/soulless is a mouth breather

I'm really bad at mouse drawing.

>>713575341 (OP)
These long posts trying to explain gaming concepts sound so dishonest for some reason, they almost read like a pasta

>>713579318
Its on newgrounds under the name gerrmss or something.

>>713575341 (OP)
this is the part where you tell us grok drew the circle on the left and the entire explanation, right?

>>713579582
that's what catbox is for.

>>713579582
what cna I look for to find you stuff?

>>713575341 (OP)
There is a much simpler and better way to define soul.
It is passion. Passion is visible and senseable. A passion for what they are doing can be felt and it is this passion that amplifies the enjoyment of the work, it is a multiplier. The reverse is also true and a multiplier as well, when there is no passion everything feels mechanical, you can sense that it is merely a product designed to be sold with no greater thought behind it besides that marketing told them it will sell.
Passion can also be applied to your image. It is not the flaws and imperfections or lack thereof, it is that the left was drawn by hand because they wanted to draw a circle while the right was a circle tool because they had to put a circle there.

>>713575341 (OP)
This definition is not clear or concise, it doesn't get into the meat of what makes the circle on the right soulless, it's just a couple paragraphs of flowery feelings.

A clear and concise definition is that Soul is what you get when the output of human effort is not formulaic. People can tell when things are done according to exacting guidelines, the sense for it comes from your gut once you're exposed to enough of it. Formulaic work is common in the industry today since the bulk of developers in every department are professionally educated from the same syllabus.

>>713575341 (OP)
And this is OVERSOVL.

>>713579813
>>713579712
11534772 on pixiv
I'm really a beginner, so don't go in expecting anything. I recommend boppin who I've been using for practice references.

>>713578002
This reminds me of the smirking dexfag in the "I'm sure to win because of my speed" comic.

>>713579984
How so? Is it the 'angle' of my shitty circle?

>>713579591
soulless post

>>713579591
>Unironically taking shitposts seriously
>Daring to call anyone else a mouthbreather
xDD

>>713577521
it only took me 12 tries to draw a circle

>>713577521
>using linux in front of /v/
>anon says "Ok /v/irgins, now open photoshop"
>start furiously typing away at the terminal to install Wine
>Errors out the ass
>Everyone else has already started their drawing
>I start to sweat
>install GIMP
>"Umm...what the fuck is THAT anon?’ a janny asks
>I tell him its GIMP and can do everything that photoshop does and IT’S FREE!
>"Ok /v/, now use the shape tool to draw a circle!” anon says
>I fucking break down and cry and close the tab
>I get banned from all boards afterwards

>>713580106
rare case of the word unironically being put to good use

>>713580159
kino tabs

>>713578958
understanding the real anatomy is how you cartoonize it cutely

>>713580159
vgh.... sovl.....

>>713577521

>>713580159
>マノソ
who is that?

>>713580159
>where is calligraphy
Well? Did you find out?

>>713580159
soulful tabs

>>713579982
Wair hold the fuck on, are you really germss or just someone who doodled her back from that one comic???

NMMRJ

>>713580037

>>713580373
I see the similarity

>>713580106
this whole board is a shitpost then bro
i open any thread and its either porn or twitter discussion

>>713579873
do you think Bloober makes games with no passion or love for their craft?

>>713577521

>>713580468
bro why's your circle got fucking jpg artifacts, it's a goddamn circle

>>713580468
The michael angelo of this thread.

I enjoy AI art cause it makes artists seethe. They now have to work faster, better and cheaper like any other industry person.

I don't enjoy AI in games because games are creative products and the human flaw is part of it. The entire concept of patrons is that someone who produces real value in the world can fund a loser to create 'culture'. It went wrong once said patron funding went above minimum wage.

>>713580364
>germss
i think you have me confused with someone else, no idea who that is

>>713579982
ty anon!

>>713580194
i make circles in gimp by placing a dot with the pencil tool an making a slightly smaller white dot inside of it

>>713580305
it's actually 子ノン

>>713580513
I was lazy and saved it as jpg.

>>713577521

>>713577521

O

>>713579259

>>713577521
chungo

>>713577521

>>713577521
10k hours with mouse

>>713580723
Dorkness

>>713580747
let me guess, he's from a game thats a metaphor for depression

>>713580536
I enjoy AI art because I can take my favorite artist's styles and make whatever I want. Getting commissions for all the situations that I end up generating would be thousands of dollars easily.

>>713580787
he looks more like a buddy who you torture

>>713580194
you just use an online app instead of kikeoshop

>>713579982
catbox it anyway so you can post the uncensored, anytime i see pixiv i know exactly what comes next and it's disappointment

>>713577521

>>713581164
reddit: the circle

>>713581195
If I were the guy who drew that circle I would've killed myself desu

>>713579318

>>713580452
It took you this long to realize?

>>713581136
fine
https://files.catbox.moe/drodhg.png
https://files.catbox.moe/a5tpx3.png

>>713581484
aw sweet, dolphin porn

>>713581195
Don't ever call my circle reddit again, you fucking nigger

>>713575651
Right wing vs left wing meme

>>713581484
very creative tanlines

>>713577521
It's not just a circle, it's a statement.

>>713580538
Ah nevermind my brain went full retard, i thought you were the guy who drew this cutie.
>>713579142

>>713577521
:^)

>>713581553
Anon draw the commentor who called you reddit as an angry cute furry woman.

>>713579145
about 25 years ago

>>713580290
A free thinker in this thread full of squares.

>>713581484
slight uuoooh.

>>713581701
there's only one square itt though

>>713581770
I MEANT METAPHORICAL SQUARES. YOU SQUARE.

>>713580290
circle: soul
square: soulless

SOVL isn't about being shit it's about being imperfect
like, I'd argue sonic adventure has SOUL because it's being held together with duct tape and dreams, but mario 64 has SOUL because there weren't any real rules or conventions on how to make a platforming game in 3D and they just freeballed it. they got a lot right but they still had things that I'd generously describe as "good enough" like the camera controls or some straight dogass like a few stars or even really the entire second ice world.
the reason AAA cinematic sad dad third person survival action games or massively multiplayer GaaS looter shooters are treated as soulless is because you probably thought of at least four different games from those description alone. it all feels designed by committee, with any chance of failure gutted in favor of aspects a bean counter ran spreadsheets on to make sure were capable of maximizing player retention and brand awareness etc.

I don't draw and don't ever plan on drawing.

>>713577521
*gasp*

>>713582405
cute!!!!

>>713582405
i want to rape this circle

>>713582405
She looks like she fucks human men

>>713575341 (OP)
i thought the pic was gonna explain why soul was retarded

>>713575341 (OP)
soul has always been "the evident passion and desire to create a good project" in a piece
a bad game can have soul and still be bad, because you can see the dedication and love the people who made it put in. That's ALWAYS been the definition.

>>713575341 (OP)
What a shitty cap.
>unironically
i can take a shit in dining room instead of toilet which makes it unique but it doesn't mean my shit is special and '''''''soulful'''''''
>The same principle can be applied to all forms of media.
Stopped reading there.

>>713577553
multiple ways to do it but easiest is using a pen in a drawing application
yeah, it's just random variance built in. Also turning on pressure sensitivity sometimes helps. Sometimes hurts.

>>713578574
damn right

>>713575341 (OP)

>>713575538
Too much soul

>>713575538
>the yoshis have jet black outlines instead of the grayish outlines everywhere else
fake soul