Oh... so it was just NDS as per usual

@grok is this real?

lazy FUCKING NIGGER!

>>713593626 (OP)
>>713593752
I can still see it on 'itch 2 lol

>>713593752
Looks laggier tho.

Using an analog stick to measure input lag is fucking retarded. There's no way to know when the dead zone kicks in on the different sticks

>>713594019
>using the intended controller isn't valid!
l o l

>>713593626 (OP)
1. failure of the person conducting the test
2. failure of the test parameters

>>713594019
And attempting to test input lag by using 2 controllers at the same time is even more retarded because some dude most certainly isn't going to be able to actuate both controllers at the exact same moment anyway.

>this is how tendies do their scientific analysis

>>713593752
YEAH ONE IN EACH HAND

>>713593752
Is that a fucking Wavebird controller? This fat slob's hands make in impossible to tell.

>>713593752
>half a second of input lag
Jesus that looks awful

Ah yes Zelda Wind Waker, the fast paced game where 10ms input lag can be fatal

lmao

>>713593626 (OP)
He's doing it separately, this doesn't work as a test of any kind. Why the fuck would you post this?

Even if there isn't input lag there still is the issue of the control stick mapping just being turbo fucked

>>713594910
based killing floor enjoyer

>>713594069
>>713595231
I can't even tell if you're just b8 or legit retarded.

>>713593752
While we can't say for sure with these retarded testing parameters, that definitely looks like input lag to me.

>UK
>making seperate tests, same setup, giving you exact measurements each time.
https://youtu.be/Q2hQVoWkSyk>us
>US
>fat fuck trying to juggle 2 controllers, with no information whatsoever

>>713593626 (OP)
>>713593752
>in the menu and not the actual game
>wavebird controller
>doing it at the same time with opposing hands instead of recording and comparing the difference
kill all tendies on this board

>>713593626 (OP)
>as per usual
As always.

>>713593626 (OP)
wavebird is the laggiest piece of shit so even if all else is equal it just shows the switch 2 is natively laggy, just like the switch 1

>>713593752
Im not crazy right? The switch version is laggier

>>713593626 (OP)
it is the TV 100%, smart TVs are well known for this shit.
I tried playing sunshine last sunday and had, roughly, 0.5 seconds of input lag. This is enough of an issue to fuck up jumps or triple jumps.
I then go turn on game mode on the tv and it instantly disappears, and is basically instant response just as it is when playing handheld.

I dont even know why this is coming up, we have KNOWN dumb modern smart tvs add insane input lag for years, this is WHY they added 'game mode' on most of them to combat it.
The game itself is responding instantly, the tv is just taking forever to update visually because of all the effects its loading. Turn them off.

If you have to go to these measures chances are something is wrong, it's satanic to tell someone otherwise.

>>713596670
>hey bro, its your tv settings not the system, works fine handheld and if you disable the tv effects
>YOU ARE SATAN!!!
>w-what?

>>713596625
the game itself isn't responding instantly though its got 100ms+ input delay when not docked

>>713596769
I know what I said, stop trying to confuse people, the product doesn't work properly and that's the end of the discussion.

>>713593752
Is he crazy? There's input lag on both. Console players are not human

>>713596864
Meds

deck lost

>>713593626 (OP)
>stop playing in tv mode
fuck you, i want to play games like a normal human being, with a normal controller, not these bullshit tiny "joycons". if you cant function in tv mode, you arent a real console.

>>713596793
eh? is it though? Based on the guy above its hardly scientific.
Im playing games on it just fine, not had a single issue with an input being dropped or feeling delayed, no issues with precise timing. No issues hitting QTEs etc
I did pretty extensive testing playing in the games and id know if there were significant delays, because id literally fail input timings.

Its in your head. Its a made up issue, one that exists on any console if anything. Any wireless controller will have input delay, any TV or screen will have refresh delay, any CPU/GPU will have delay. Theres always over 100ms of delay in any game especially with wireless controllers. But the good news is no one is going to notice that short of a timeframe. and even if you can, its such a tiny window it doesnt matter in game.

im still hitting frame perfect inputs, so, skill issue on your part im guessing.

>>713596864
>>713593752
Wavebird adds 5.2ms but consider that the Gamecube only polls every 16.6ms then inputs have a 1/3 chance to arrive a frame late than if using a wired controller.
From video, at best the Switch 2 adds an entire frame of input lag which is expected since the Switch 1 had a lag tax of 1f in best case scenarios. 1f is obviously not lagless but not significant for most purposes, are people complaining it's worse than that? Keep in mind developers like Digital Eclipse have added over 100ms or even 200ms in some of their emulation collections which well over 6f and 12f respectively and most people would be right to consider that unplayable.

>>713597367
>But the good news is no one is going to notice that short of a timeframe.
Kill yourself casual. 100ms of delay is literally unplayable, guess you only play moviegames. KYS

>>713593917
Lmao
/thread

>>713597536
Where are people reporting 100ms?
>>713597367
16.6ms is 1 frame in a 60fps game. 100ms is noticeable and significant. Most people are turned off past 3f.

>>713593626 (OP)
>>713593752
/v/ BTFO

>>713597367
>it doesn't matter in game
if you are only playing fucking windwaker sure but the other two games for NSO basically NEED low input delay and the input delay is made worse by the weird fucking control stick issue that only the settings in fzero can really mitigate

>>713597536
prove there is 100ms of total delay, right now. prove it.

im literally doing frame perfect glitches on the switch 2 just fine. there is no delay thats any more noticeable than the normal "background" delay ALL games have.

>>713598060
wait, is this SPECIFICALLY about NSO?
to be frank, ive not played NSO gamecube games I dont pay for the extra online package. im talking about general switch 2 games, including using gamecube controller say on sunshine or whatever.
if its a NSO only issue then, my bad.

>>713595007
probably. no official original gamecube controllers came in that gray color except for the wavebird.

>>713597536
He's not wrong actually. Many games on old displays still had >2f input lag and today 4-6f is standard. Considering human reaction time is 16f in ideal settings https://ki.infil.net/reaction.html the issue is when ports and emulators add even 3f of lag in games that were already tight.

>>713593626 (OP)
>it was just NDS
but that's a switch 2 and a gamecube, not a nintendo dual screen.

>>713599014
>le nintendo hire this man bloommax version is the best
the best version would be an actually finished game

>>713598810
Yes this is specifically nso, nso gamecube has like 8 frames of input delay + some weird issue with the control stick mapping that isnt a deadzone. Though I'm not sure what kind of emulation the mario 3d collection uses if 64 is the same as the nso emulation its probably got the same input delay issues on top of being the shindou revision

>>713600819
ah, well ignore my prior posts
ive played the 3d collection, 64 felt fine enough to me, as did sunshine. Didnt play galaxy
There was a delay of about 0.5 seconds initially, but it was the tv, handheld and tv with settings of were fine

also the gamecube controller (new wireless one) had an issue with the left stick originally where you would go over the zone and the input would stop, so mario would stop walking forwards, but this was fixed by just going to the recalibration menu.
Seems they have a bad calibration out of the box.

Why are tendies so mentally ill?

>>713601518
the controller isn't the issue for the nso shit its some weird mapping issue that doesn't get fixed if you calibrate the controller its like theres a big portion of space after the deadzone that has your sensitivity cranked before going back to normal at the edges which makes the controller feel really wonky makes playing fzero gx basically impossible unless you tweak the settings in game and it doesn't completely fix it

>>713601821

>>713601821
case in point >>713602261

>>713602261

>>713593752
That's not how you test input lag.

>>713593917
>>713593626 (OP)
>>713593752
At first sight there isn't much difference but since he is taking this test using his thumbs i will throw anything he wants to claim out of the video for not being rigorous

>>713603240
not professionally.
but jumping on spot with the controller between your face and the tv is a casual way to confirm if there is delay or you suck

>>713603590
At the very least, he should've tested buttons, not analog sticks which are inherently imprecise.

>>713603941
he paid for the extended subscription thats like 3x the price for THREE cube games, one of which is better on the wii u and all are better on an emulator already. You can get a Wii U for $35 these days which is less than the monthly sub for these games.
hes not smart. He doesnt think. He just does things as soon as they come to mind.
buy game. Pay for online. Use stick to test delay yes yes yes

>>713602261
Damn that's a lot of input lag

>>713593626 (OP)
>wavebird

>>713596625
Then why is the lag happening on switch 2s in portable mode? Are you implying that Nintendo forgot to set their oem LCD panel firmware to game mode before slapping it in their new console? Haha...

Wait...actually...

>>713604372
am i a boomer? i have no idea what you mean by that

>>713604697
t.zoomer

What causes NDS?

>>713593752
Seems normal, like any console with input lag kek

>>713605031
People responding to it defensively

>>713605676
this man speaks the truth

>>713605676
>People responding to it defensively
which was brought about by months of NDS posts...

>>713605921

>>713593752
>wall mounted controller stands
i will never understand tendies

>>713604697
Wavebirds are wireless Gamecube controllers Nintendo released over 20 years ago. Great for convenience but also laggy compared to a wired Gamecube connection by an average of like 5ms

>>713606301
Never heard of them before. Thanks anon.

>Using a wavebird
Jesus christ that doesn't disprove the input lag, that DEMONSTRATES IT

>>713594062
Not what he said, anon.

>>713596007
Do you honestly think this works as a test, when the idiot is using both hands? What happened to that pebble between your ears?

>>713605921
everything about this image was true though. if it weren't for the coof coinciding with animal crossing, nigtendo would have gone under.

>>713594062
You can use the dpad on the intended controller instead

>>713606923
>if it weren't for the coof coinciding with animal crossing, nigtendo would have gone under.
this is clearly demonstrably wrong given the fact the switch sold incredibly well, long after the cough hysteria ended.
It was a genuinely good product that appealed to a lot of people.
>everything was true
not really
>has 3rd party
>is not 720p
>fair pricing for 2025 money
>controllers are fine
processor and battery are, sure, but then anyone thinking nintendo would invent a new magic battery that gives 8 hours of 1080p 60f/120ps games at the degree the switch 2 does graphically was retarded.
2 hours for mario kart is bad though yes

>>713593626 (OP)
>>713593752
That's a Wavebird, they are laggy.