Why did this game flop?

>>713599410 (OP)
Because it's shit.
Dragon Age Origins was good.
2 had shit gameplay, halfway passable writing and rode on name recognition.
Inquisition had shit gameplay, halfway passable writing and rode on name recognition.
Veilguard has shit gameplay, really shit writing, the name recognition ran out and it had only negative drama around it before launch.

too boring to play, corporate slop

Because it was boring to play.

Everything was else was just extra.

>>713599410 (OP)
because antipalestine nazis boicoted it

>>713599410 (OP)
the gameplay was press X for Awesome!
and all the characters were sassy bitches with 2025 attitudes, it didnt work well in a medieval setting.

and it was extremely linear, there was zero scope for exploration or giving s shit about the locations.

>>713599410 (OP)
Women and troons ruined the series. We should have never stopped bullying the gays.

>>713599578
Yeah, this. It could've had all the controversy in the world, but at the end of the day, if the core gameplay loop puts you to sleep, nobody’s sticking around. Doesn’t matter how pretty the graphics are or how much lore they cram in-it was just soulless, checklist design pretending to be depth. You could feel the market research in every mechanic.

>>713599410 (OP)
too american

>>713599410 (OP)
this is quite pawsibly the most revolting character ever created in a game
it's so hard to look at it

>>713600467
You think looking at it is hard? Try listening to it https://youtu.be/7--kxuI7ohg?si=uFpv5Jxd1ezV50F0

>>713599504
Inquisition had decent combat. But it was a repurposed mmo, so quest and map design were mostly bad.

>>713599410 (OP)
This trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F3N4Lxw4_Y
I'm a dragonagefag who waited 10 years for the game, even was a /dag/ regular once, and I couldn't believe what I saw seeing (and hearing)
Would bet anything that this single trailer cost them millions of sales

>>713599410 (OP)
Because it's 2025 and woke isn't popular anymore

Sex with Taash

>>713599410 (OP)
Because this "return to form" didn't have tactics, blood magic or any form of fun roleplaying

>“So I’m non-buynary. It means I am not selling well. And I’m going to use SALE/75% OFF instead of a full price.”
>“In the Qun, the term ‘flop’ is used for a game that is assigned ‘return to form’ at launch by journalists but fails to win actual customers…”
>“Why do have to keep picking at it? Why can’t you be happy for me?”

>>713606396
kek

>>713606396
LMAOAO

>>713599410 (OP)
Bait and switch. It was marketed as Dragon Age game but was really a tranny's headcanon on what he wanted to happen.

>make entry to established IP long after any momentum or cultural relevance is gone
>intentionally do not make it to pander to the small group of diehard fans of the IP because you want a massive commercial success and the dedicated fanbase is too small for that
>modern mainstream audiences have zero investment in the IP so your game is now just another generic fantasy rpg release in a literal sea of similar games flooding the market, some of which have massive organic hype around them

I liked the first Dragon Age well enough, never played the others, but this is an extremely common pattern in all of media now. companies are scared of taking risks so they are just churning through old IPs and using them as skins to drape over new safe slop content that has zero charm or appeal to make it stand out in the bloated market and alienates the people who do care about the IP

>>713607668
Before even getting into how bad the dialogue, writing, lore retcons and story in general is, the game is bad because the devs of Veilguard hated the older entries so much they retconned the past, changed existing cultures/races in their own image and for good measure wiped out the rest of Thedas so every other entry in the game was a waste of time and can be forever ignored in their "reboot" of the franchise.

>>713607926
I mean Bioware is up there with Blizzard for best exemplifying the Ship of Theseus syndrome in game developers, the people who made those early games are all gone and replaced by narcissists who feel entitled to the praise that the old studio earned but dont have the skills to earn it themselves

>>713607668
>implying modern mainstream audiences care about fag shit
Fags, niggers and women do not buy vidyas, and no, infuencers are not an audience. Your millenial sister who used to play mario cart with you and cool black friend Tyrone are not mainstream audience as well and chances that even they want insisted DEI psyop shit.

>>713600526
how the fuck did we get here from DA:origins

>>713608360
It's easier to take something beloved and established rather than creating an entirely new IP for their mental diarrhea

>>713599410 (OP)
you posted the reason in the OP. Now stop making this thread, we already have enough trash

wasn’t the gameplay pretty solid? that puts the failure entirely on poor word of mouth from the writing

>>713610667
The gameplay is bland as fuck.

>>713607668
They really overestimated how many Dragon Age fans there were in 2024. Especially with all the "solas amirite ladies???" pandering
5 women jerking off to pictures of wolves =/= mainstream appeal

>>713612498
Veilguard got 70k CCU on Steam. All women and gays. That would be pretty good with a reasonable budget and dev time.

But this game was too expensive to succeed due to dev hell and too cringe even for tumblrettes that were still making fanfics about Cullen and lore videos for years after Cisquisition.

In other words, Trannyware got their goldilocks niche liberalfag audience hijacked by BG3 and overshoot their tranny pandering anyway.

>>713603691
You dont really think that.

>>713606785
Ya didnt they include WoW:Shadowlands tier retcons to the setting?

>>713599410 (OP)
Nobody knows. Still a mystery. Bioware still trying to find out what people didn't like.

>>713612498
It is unfortunate that Bioware chose to go with Dragon Age as their next game, after Anthem, and that it took them 5 years after Anthem to get it out. If they could have shat out a ME game in 2023, they could have done something. Now Bioware is an abstract label of an RPG brand that EA owns, while the Edmonton HQ turns into a generic EA work hub. Bioware is so fucking dead right now.

Why does EA keep Bioware alive after so many flops. Is it just because they're a fag/tranny studio and they don't want bad pr? They've killed studios for less. WAY less

>>713616050
See >>713615925
They're not. As of May, there no longer is a Bioware, and the Bioware that is, is a couple dozen people working on prototyping the next ME, with no affiliation to the Bioware studio itself, because it no longer exists.

>>713606785
I'm starting to feel like 80% of AAA slop is full of bait and switching and only until now these companies are feeling it and for some reason don't understand the violent rejection.
This game and others like it are astroturfed to a point it has to be cheaper to make a game that is actually good vs paying retard faggots like mighty queef to shill and gaslight for you.
It doesn't work and the damages have been finally destroying studios and companies

>>713616247
>there no longer is a Bioware
Was this ever announced anywhere. It seems I was right. I remember EA using them as a gay shield when that shit was still trendy

>>713616382
The problem is that the AAA industry has fucking colossal turnover times, so when the industry goes full retard it takes the better part of a decade to correct it, and that's assuming someone isn't deliberately sabotaging efforts to do so.
Very few companies have the balls to realise they're falling for the sunk cost fallacy and just delete millions of dollars worth of material, even if it's radioactive.
Hyenas vs Concord should be a mandatory case study for any publisher.

>>713616689
Schreier disclosed it in his Dragon Age article, that as of this May, the Edmonton Bioware HQ is now just a generic work hub for EA.
Technically, Mike Gamble and a couple dozen employees still are working for Bioware, but Bioware right now doesn't exist on the map. It's a brand/label owned by EA that can be given to anyone, anywhere that is currently working at an EA office, so long as they are working at an EA RPG branch game. Sports FC team working on Mass Effect? Bioware. DICE working on Mass Effect? That's Bioware too. Anything and anyone working on a EA IP could be Bioware right now. It's a meaningless label.

>>713616382
I find it funny that AAA studios/games are failing and then comes along some random taiwanese game studio that makes a game about taoist space cats and it's basically GOTY

>>713617645
I'm not gonna pretend that EA meddling didn't fuck up the end product to some extent, but even the things that Veilguard ought to be good at, were failures.
Like, Matt Goldman wanted to make it more Marvel-esque, in terms of dialogue, and they got fucked over because the voice overs couldn't be re-recorded because of COVID and actor strikes and a string of stuff related to that. What about the puzzles? What about the level design? What about the feel of the weapons? What about the animations? What about the action combat? What about traversal? What about the character designs? Why is EVERYTHING bad? Even if the writing was stellar, who wanted to play as any of these characters, just from a what you see standpoint?
Even to the corporate meddling, you can put the blame so much, before it goes back to the developer? Even if the writing and dialogues are the worst we've ever seen in a Bioware game, nothing else is salvageable, except the fact that it is reasonably optimized, the environmental design is good, the lack of the EA app being mandatory and no DRM. But while those are all nice and good, they don't make the game good, in itself.
Bioware was cooked, this title was doomed to fail, and it is a waste that DA was going to be the Bioware title, after Anthem. Because it was a dead franchise, and it just wasn't going to sell. We've still not head that Veilguard SOLD a million copies. This was an unmitigated disaster.

>>713618679
COVID and the actor strikes happened at bad time, yes, but basically what I think is that Bioware was forced to continue on and finish the game with what they had at hand and that hand was basically highest card in poker which is not a winning move in any sense. Chances are EA was also involved saying what Bioware should include in the game and all that nonsense. Basically boiling down to all kinds of unfortunate stuff happening at the same time and they had to finish the game.

I have been lied to by every major publisher

>>713619243
What that may be true, remember the Bioware devs making all those statements on their way to launch? Best companions in a Bioware game? Actually good combat? Where were those things? Who saw these designs and thought they looked cool? Who played the game and didn't get frustrated, the moment they tried playing anything other than mage? And even that was iffy. And it's OK if the DA team decided to move away from RTwP combat to action, but the action has to actually be playable. This game was shit. Frustratingly shit. In all aspects. Even if the mandate came from above, at what point was the order "do action combat, but make it shit"? Like, even the things that should work, don't.

>>713618679
I'm just going to say it, backtracking on the live service version of it was a mistake
The game could have made bank even with all the issues it had. I know I would've played it and probably would've enjoyed it more considering how railroaded Veilguard is anyway
Where they REALLY went wrong with Anthem was making it a new IP. If it had been Mass Effect or Dragon Age then they could've salvaged it over the long-term like Fallout 76 and similar games

>>713619603
And I forgot to mention, Bioware devs lie all the time.

>>713619552
Oh, hello. I didn't even see you, but I guess this one is for you.

>>713600003
>Imagine a pro-palestian wouldd support such degeneracy

>>713619243
>Chances are EA was also involved saying what Bioware should include in the game and all that nonsense
it's possible, but bioware get absolutely no benefit of the doubt in terms of terrible writing and design in veilguard, because all of it is just a logical progression of what they've always been doing.

>>713599410 (OP)

>>713619686
I don't believe so. Because in addition to having shit action combat, now you would also have network issues. Rubberbanding, disconnects, lag etc. Because if nothing else works in this fucking game, why would this work? And even then, with this art-style, do you really see yourself pay2play this shit? For what reward? So you can kill Solas every other day, so you can get his pants to drop? it would be another Anthem experience, but with even worse gameplay, content, and replay value.

>>713619862
I'm not looking up who were the main writers for each game, but as Bioware games went from ME3 onwards their games started to get more preachy and have shit writing and basically everything else were also getting shittier in their games. So I assume that most (if not all) of the original devs who made the OG games had left the studio and Bioware had no one to code/write a good game so the writers, devs, the art people etc. were huffing their own farts.

>>713599410 (OP)
Californian fantasy and repetitive boring combat.

>>713620181
yeah, brain drain's been a pretty big problem at bioware for a while.
In terms of writing, patrick weekes is the last veteran who predates EA (I think) and he went utterly insane.

>>713619953
>Jesse_eating_dinner_with_the_Whites.webm

>>713599410 (OP)
It looked super gay & lame.

>>713619953
Besides the faggotry... why the fuck are the animations so pathetic?

>>713599410 (OP)
the media will still say it’s flop is the fault of gamers

>>713600191
Who put those women and troons in charge?

>>713599410 (OP)
It's insane how bioware wasn't instantly closed when this came out. I guess they really want to put out ME4 before they die

>>713620654
What's up with the dinner as well? They invite the mother around and the best they can do is a slab of ham and two quarters of a cheese wheel each?

>>713600467
You're not wrong

>>713620934
Urgot exist...

>>713619953
But seriously, who the fuck starts conversation like that?

>>713600467
I remember when Sera was considered a low bar

>>713621232
Nobody, that's why people call the writing shit.

>>713619953
This and the bhaarv scene reads like anti-trans trolling from the writer
Like Taash is completely out of line here, so much so that the mother has to leave. And she even does it politely without arguing back to Taash

>>713599504
Origins was shit, I got them all except the last one, boring jank

>>713599410 (OP)
Still feels like a fever dream.