FILL OUT THAT FORM EU ANON

RIGHT FUCKING NOW

https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home

ENTER YOU FUCKING COUNTRY AND YOUR FUCKING NAME AND SIGN IT

IT TAKES 10 SECONDS

NO EXCUSES

DO IT NOW

>did you just say "Burger King" on the McSidewalk???
>*pulls out pistol*
>*shoots you in the head*

I'm in America. :(

Already did.

EU cuck humiliation ritual you won't change shit

>>713600664 (OP)
Already filled it 9 months ago you doublenigger. But it really sucks that all my friends are normies that don't even know that i play videogames.

>>713600664 (OP)
I did a year ago when this started, and got some family members to do so. I did my part.

I don't give a shit about preserving old ass games.

>PirateSoftware having a full-blown meltdown
Lil bro is not used to people calling him out.

>>713600664 (OP)
Ross was so happy SKG was dead he is probably regretting that video now.

Why is this rat yelling at me

>>713600851
>>713600918
t.

>>713600941
Who cares about that faggot, he's but a distraction.

>>713600664 (OP)
what if I live abroad and don't have an id or passport

video games are for children

I'm in the EU and I want them to kill games in order for all the other annoying shit the EU does to get attention. Starting with plastic straws and non removable plastic lids

>>713600918
Do you post in every thread about something you don't care about?

why arnt people botting this pol already?
you cant count on normgroids to stand up for their rights

This whole thing is extremely clownish because the opposition's only argument is basically invincible ignorance fallacy: They refuse to read like the hood niggers they are and straight up make shit up in their heads. Malice truly stems from ignorance/feigning ignorance. Forget about video games. I see this shit happening in every discussion forum possible regarding truths and facts of any kind. Blight on world these people are.

>>713600941
Every 3 months he's getting shit on by the internet so he must be getting used to it now.

>>713600990
He single handedly killed your shitty petition

>>713601046
>why wont someone else do it
lol

>>713600950
It's a double edged sword, he looks tired and defeated but at the same time is still pushing for something he believes in.

>>713601046
The signatures have to be verified if it hits 1 million that won't help.

>>713600995
It's fine so long as you have citizenship.

>>713600664 (OP)
fuck off to reddit, we're not your personal army Nigger.

>SKG threads gain traction again
>instantly filled with bad actors

Remember, last time they resorted to spamming CP to get the threads pruned. They are afraid. On the current trajectory we can still win.

>>713601028
quiet cuck

>>713601196
every single thread on this site is full of retards arguing if you haven't noticed.

>>713601196
It actually is going at a good pace that would get us there before the end of July even. The problem is whether or not it keeps going.

>>713601196
I think they have their hands full, being bombed by Iran and all.

>>713600918
Your favourite game will become an old ass game sooner than you think

>this initiative literally promotes communism and you don't own your games in the first place

>>713601394
>Stay frosty.
Kill him. End this shill's misery.

>>713601443
Truman on socialism, 1952

>>713601394
How is it even possible to be THIS much of an unlikeable asshole? Holy fucking shit.

>>713601196
Half of it seems to be hard AnCap retards who don't seem to think businesses owe even paying customers a single thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvxaadSzvxU&t=895s

>>713601028
>>713601238
>samefag

>>713600918
This. We should only preserve shitty new games.

>>713601494
Man I wish this guy's narcissim could had been used as fuel, we would get a bottomless source.

It's 100% impossible that people who oppose this don't fall into one of these categories:

1) Shill
2) Retard

There's no way any sane person supports corpos right to take something away that the customer paid for.

If every single game on the planet disappeared this instant the world would be a better place.

>Burned through his savings for this shit instead of taking any money from anyone
I do think this was a lost cause to begin with, but Ross has passion.

Sorry bros I'm Br*ish

>>713601394
>liking his own comment
the absolute state

>>713601130
for pasta the site demands a carta d'itentità or eID. people living abroad don't have those

>>713601953
im so sorry

>>713600664 (OP)
I'm from EU and I think that videogame industry needs to crash. Too many normies and other faggots are going to make it hard though...

>>713601976
SO LONG JUDAS

Why are EU fags so lazy? Just sign the fucking petition

>votes needed per day down by 25% since yesterday

>>713600851
Why is she dressed like the villain from demolition man?

>>713602135
Such momentum can't be expected to persist though

I will forever blame Yuropoors if this fails.

>>713602112
>I'm from EU and I think that videogame industry needs to crash.
Then sign the fucking petition.

>>713600918
>I don't give a shit about preserving old ass games.
But Classic WoW is an exception, right?

Good on Running With Scissors being public supporters of this.
Shame about GoG

>>713602203
>Signing the petition means that videogame companies should now keep games available forever
Its not going to happen. No company can be forced to follow a ridiculous rule like that.

>>713601953

We have a petition for that too!

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/702074/

>>713602281
>>Signing the petition means that videogame companies should now keep games available forever
Hi, piratesoftware. Consider suicide.

>>713601797
>If you oppose this you are X strawman or Y strawman!
i oppose this because you're a lot of circlejerking faggots astroturfing this shit into relevancy in a desperate last bid.

>>713602281
>videogame companies should now keep games available forever
that's not what SKG says.
they just have to make games that won't stop working the moment they pull the plug on it. just make games like counter strike, which can be installed and played to this day.

>>713602281
>No company can be forced to follow a ridiculous rule like that.
Good thing that isn't what the petition is asking for then, huh?

>>713600664 (OP)
Is this going to hurt my gacha games in any way? I don't want them to ban gachas in EU

>>713600664 (OP)
Sorry, I'm from the land of braces and teeth whitening

>>713601394
This dude is just flat out evil and does everything to try and miss represent what the initiative is while constantly doubling down on his lies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A1CCc_DClY

>>713602349
Data storage isn't free. Its an expense that companies should pay just for you to have an access to something. It doesn't work like that.

>>713602426
Does he just give himself a like every time? This fucking guy, I swear

>>713602426
Lying is OP

Is this the next gamergate but against corporations?

>>713602462
Link the part where the initiative says that companies need to host files after they shut down a game or apologize for being wrong.

>>713602386
Yes, that is a fair request. Problem is that most games these days are designed with online features in mind so most of the game functionality dies if the servers go down.

>>713600664 (OP)
I signed this like a month after it started

Just stop buying games that use this practice.
I already half do this with Denuvo using games. It's malware. It has damaged my machine and I was just using it normally.

>>713601046
>normgroids
Bet this faggot is just using this term because he can't say "faggot".

>>713602281
Step on another ferret

>>713601394
why is it always the people that ban wrong think en masse that consider themselves the cool headed intellect open to debate and other side the frothing silly rage man?

>>713600664 (OP)
i did it
sent to all my friends
told them to tell all their friends
i did my part
only thing left maybe to tell all the steam friends

>>713602578
I never apologize to some random retard on the internet. Glad you got angry though.

>>713602281
>>713602462
>literally repeating piratesoftware's made up bullshit

>>713602580
>so most of the game functionality dies if the servers go down.
And that is perfectly fine, as long as the game is left in a REASONABLY PLAYABLE STATE

>>713600941
FaggotNepoBabyRatware cant kill himself soon enough

>>713602580
Putting online functionality on a publisher's locked box is a choice. People were doing literally everything client-side in Gmod and the like.
>But my monetization!
Oh darn, sounds like not my problem.

Reminder that you can still host servers on older COD games, it's not black magic.

Signed and bumped. These threads are filled with so much glowniggers its actually insane, the doomposting, ad hominems and bad faith arguments are off the charts

>>713602402
No. Even at its hypothetical full enforcement, it will literally not affect any current live service games in any way.
It just means that after the gacha decides to end permanently, they'll have to provide basic code so users can continue making pulls and playing the game on private servers. As was the standard for multiplayer games until like 2007. Nothing else will change. Your gachas will not just be safe, they will be safer than they were before.

>>713601976
SO LONG JUDAS
your death cant come quick enough

>they can't criticize the initiative without misrepresenting it

Makes you think.

Fucking hell
MODDERS are making Singleplayer games into Multiplayer https://github.com/IntQuant/noita_entangled_worlds
But corpos can't make a multiplayer game that outlasts themselves

>>713602580
those online features can be made offline. more often than not all you need to do is point the game to a new server. most games are actually hosted P2P so it should be trivial to implemen in the vast majority of casest

>>713602874
Oh no corpos don't want to waste money on useless garbage help me mommy government

>>713602874
>But corpos can't make a multiplayer game that outlasts themselves
They can, they just choose not to.

>>713602874
games used to be made by gamers for gamers. now its corpos, as you said. mods, however, are not.

>>713602874
>But corpos can't make a multiplayer game that outlasts themselves
wanna hear why? their centralized online servers act as DRM. that's what lies at the core of the debate

>>713602874
Corpos want to kill games so they can sell next product easier and force people to move on to the next game. Its really not that complicated.

>>713601976
SO LONG GAY JUDAS

>>713602930
BASED

>>713600851
>>713600664 (OP)
The EU is bad actually and I am within my own right to cease a service that isn't profitable to me and to which consumers agreed to.

>>713603124
>consumers agreed to
where?

>>713600664 (OP)
Name xd
they want my personal data no thanks

>>713603124
>I am within my own right to cease a service that isn't profitable to me and to which consumers agreed to.
Why do people keep repeating this. This does not require companies to host games forever, or any longer than they want to. It never did. Why did this lie become the defacto response.

>>713603124
>am within my own right to cease a service that isn't profitable to me
You are, but you're not entitled to take away a product the customer paid for.

>>713603124
Bro I can't even read your magical document that lets you do whatever you want without handing over my cash first

How long until indian shills start spamming these threads with cp again?
How long until v jannies start deleting these threads again?

I was literally banned for a week a few months ago for making a SKG thread for "offtopic posting" even though this initiative is literally called "Stop Killing Games".
I sincerely hope all indian shills lose their jobs and have to go back to the call center and that these game corpos get raped by the EU like Apple did.
A common false talking point used in these threads is that "companies will have to run servers forever". Even though it's false, I acually pray to god that the EU forces companies to do this. Imagine if sony still had to run Concord servers.
I hate corporations and shills so fucking much.

>>713603212
>This does not require companies to host games forever, or any longer than they want to. It never did.
He literally outlined a series of rules they have to follow like making source available or keeping servers up

Ross is the good guy.

>>713602223
GoG cant publicly support this because CDPR will face the wrath of the entire AAA vidya industry on their own

>>713603124
Theft is illegal.

>>713603241
Oh and you can just update it after the sale anyway, corpo dicksuckers all seem to be fine with that shit

>>713603212
because some games can't have end of life support, you're effectively making a rule about how people can sell their games and if I make a game with an expiration date and don't provide the tool to host the game privately you're essentially saying my intellectual property should be public which is just communism

No we won't stop killing games. You will buy the new product and give us more money goyim. You have a license to play the game with our rules and thats it.

>>713603253
>making source available
Literally requires 0 extra work.

>>713603334
All of those are good.

>>713603124
>The EU is bad actually
And corporations with unlimited power is better?
Governments and corporations need to keep each other in check.

I hate that it took WOW of all things to convince me this faggot was just that A FAGGOT. if I ever see him irl I'd probably grill him on the issue and call him a fag while he is streaming

Reminds me of that one time a /pol/ anon made a petition.org script to spam signatures. kek

>>713603334
What games cannot physically have end of life? The only one that I heard any legit arguments for is Microsoft flight simulator since that game relies on the servers to load in the terrabytes of textures, but that's an exception and not a rule.

>>713603353
>Just make your private property public bro what's the issue
Ok Lenin

>>713603334
Disney says you have to burn your original Star Wars copy

>>713603253
>He literally outlined a series of rules they have to follow like making source available or keeping servers up
there are no rules, only recommendation for solutions

>>713601394
@grok summarize that shit

>>713603438
They're rules. He wants them to be laws, he wants to make new laws. Are you being disingenuous?

>>713603410
Plenty of games are like this and it's just an occam's razor fallacy to assume that converting a game that requires a server to not use one is just some simple task that anyone can do.

IMPORTANT

They are trying to fuck it up by spamming suggestions that we should bot the petition or sign with wrong names.

>>713601046
>>713603407

Don't fall for this glowniggery, all votes will be validated in the end. They are just trying to sabotage it.

>>713603541
Name 5

>>713603541
Provide the server software then. You choose. You signed up for this when you decided to steal from customers.

>>713603594
any MMO

>>713603413
you don't even understand what property means, the company still own the IP but consumers who bought your game can now host their own servers after the company decides that their game isn't profitable enough.
This is objectively a good thing but you will still argue againts it because you just like being a contrarian

>>713603596
>when you decided to steal from customers.
are you brain damaged?

>>713603612
Already wrong.

>>713603410
>Microsoft flight simulator since that game relies on the servers to load in the terrabytes of textures
even that's like kind of a bad argument
"here are the tools and files you need to preserve the game as playable in the future. you might not be able to host it yourself, but an insane person might be able to"

>>713603541
And they are not even asking for this new laws to be retroactive, he understand that forcing this on already existing games is a huge money drain.
If the law pass and force what SKG asks for, it would only influence games made past that, the real conseguences of the law would only truly be in effect in around 4/5 years mininum.

>>713603640
source code is private property, you're asking people to just give that out

>>713603680
It's one alternative, faggot.

>muh you need le source code to make a private server!
https://thepeacockproject.org/

>>713602595
>Just stop buying games that use this practice.
Easier said than done. For every person that's willing to boycott, a thousand brand loyalist NPCs are ready to empty their wallets in the name of consumerism.

>>713600664 (OP)
Unprofitable games are meant to die
>Incels are meant to die virgins

>>713603712
So? The point is this guy wants to make SAAS games illegal, rather than letting people vote with their wallets
Needless regulation

>>713603797
That's the free market working as intended, if the majority is ok with it then they get what they want

>>713600664 (OP)
>PRESERVE CONCORD!
No.

>>713601060
Nice Nep
Also you're correct, sadly

If they can't give out the server binaries, they can just give all the packets and packet logs so autists can recreate the servers as faithfully as possible

>>713603334
It is less work to release a game with LAN options than a game that is always-online.

why is he so mad about this bill when he doesnt even make video games?

How the fuck is it not possible to find 1 million gamers within the EU??

>>713602363
>I oppose this because I'm a child who wants attention
I forgot about option 3 you're right. You're very pathetic incidentally.

>>713603913
he is a "Director" for a studio making live service games

I did it already when it started.
Here’s a friendly bump, also fuck the WOLF SEED faggot

>>713603913
He has family that does. And he has ambitions to do so. And he has also been working with a publishing company.

>>713603913
reminder that he co-owns a publishing company that is publishing a live service game.

>>713602402
>gacha games
The only thing that can happen to them is to release an offline build just like Capcom did with the Megaman gacha.

>>713603484
Anon the only rule he's specified is to have an end-of-life plan. That plan can take any form the developer wishes. Spewing shit like le heckin devs have to give up their heckin source code is simply false.

>>713604070
>>713603970
It's still fucking stupid. Because Aether Rivals wouldn't be bothered by SKG at all.
If anything a simple basic bitch LAN option would probably help the game while completely complying with SKG. But he is a blizzshill retard to his core so he still opposes SKG.

>>713603816
>The point is this guy wants to make SAAS games illegal
No.

>>713604091
>Anon the only rule he's specified is to have an end-of-life plan. That plan can take any form the developer wishes
Yes, that means they can't do the SAAS business model
You're outlawing a business model simply because you don't like it
That's not how the free market works, if you don't like something don't fucking buy it

Why are you even arguing, this shit is doomed to fail

>>713604152
>Specifically, the initiative seeks to prevent the remote disabling of videogames by the publishers
Yes, that's making SAAS illegal

>>713603653
A madlad might be able to use a distributed system and have players host a certain portion of the textures.

>>713604226
No?

>>713604153
Shutting down IS changing your business model.
All that is being asked is you fix it *after* you decide the game is no longer profitable enough.

>>713604275
It can't be a service if it doesn't end, dumbass
Software-as-a-service means you continually pay for it

>>713604314
Retard

>>713604297
>Shutting down IS changing your business model.
The business model is you make a game, then you shut the game down so your consumers by the next one

>>713604226
>Yes, that's making SAAS illegal
I don't see this as a problem.

>>713600664 (OP)
>a movement about making multiplayer games single player

Yeah nah

>>713604240
Hell I could even see a new type of hosting where people share textures trought seeding

>>713604153
>That's not how the free market works
The "free market" is a fucking myth. Freedom itself is.
The irony is that you need to enforce limitations, in contrast to freedom, in order to protect freedom, in order for there to be freedom. Because if you let freedom run free, freedom will inevitably be used to take away freedom. And that's why you need to restrict freedom a little bit so that we can have freedom at all.

Consumer rights are only a boon and benefit to a free market, even if you find consumer rights restrictive.

>>713600664 (OP)
Fuck no, nobody same wants to give their information to the Antichrist, look at this shit

>>713604352
What if you paid rent for a house, but at the end of the renting period you could just keep the house? Wouldn't make sense to keep paying rent would it?

>>713604426
A house is not a service

>>713604408
Don't even need the terrabytes of textures. A fucking placeholder jpeg would be enough to leave it playable.

>>713604423
I am sorry to tell you, but if you have an ID then the EU already has all of your info

>>713604153
>that means they can't do the SAAS business model
If your game literally says on the cover "this is a service, not a product" then it does not fall under the umbrella covered by this petition anon.

>>713604410
The free market is an ideal. You can go into more depth into debating what is or isn't good for the market, but people here haven't really got to that yet. Generally being able to experiment with business models is good and outlawing things JUST because people don't like it is not.

>>713604392
Because you're a communist

>>713604402
hello pirate

>>713604478
I know, you just don't want to standout as a political entity

>>713604423
Voter registration is a foreign concept to you huh?

>>713604426
>Make a one time sum payment to a house
>Oh you see you were just renting from me, not buying property :^)
Go fuck yourself.

>>713604464
It is when you rent it

>>713604534
No it never is

>>713604512
They went after g*mers.

>>713604402
Nobody is asking for this. Piratesoftware pulling this out of his ass to discredit to movement. You were either fed misinformation by shills or you are a shill yourself.

>>713604525
I've got no issue with being clear what your business model is, companies should absolutely be held accountable to that, but that's not what Ross is trying to do, Ross is trying to make the business model illegal, period

>>713604515
My nigga I wouldn't want to be a registered voter in Russia or North Korea either, EU is cancer

>>713604534
Rent is a repeated transaction for a service lasting a specified time.
A house purchase is not rented.

>>713603585
>Don't fall for this glowniggery, all votes will be validated in the end. They are just trying to sabotage it.
Nigger, we used to troll these sites REGULARLY.
Fucking newfags.


I might even have a webm somewhere from like 2016/7 when some swede was using a script.

>>713604426
Then why are you trying to bullshit me that I'm BUYING a house?
Also, as a customer I would like to know when my rent period ends, because you are also not providing me with this information, implying I'll be able to use it undefinately.

>>713604612
>Rent is a repeated transaction for a service lasting a specified time.
Just like games as service

>Subscription as a Service
is a retarded phrase. "Service" is implied under "Subscription".
What kind of Subscription is not tied to a Service? You subscribe to a service, definitionally. You can't subscribe to a product. Even if you subscribe to receive a product(s), the subscription is to the service of receiving the product. A subscription is not a product purchase.
It's fucking stupid. SAAS is just GAAS. And GAAS can potentially rely on subscriptions. But Subscription as a Service is like saying Service as a Service. Dumb fucking shit.

>>713604498
>The free market is an ideal
lead paint and asbestos so good.
Yum, yum.
Red 40, Yellow 5, Yellow 6
Mmmmmm
So good

>>713604423
They already have your info, dumbass. This is to validate your signature.

>>713604680
Maybe it's
Software as a service
?

I did my part, even chose to not have my cookies tracked when I entered the website.

God bless the EU
Que Dieu bénisse l’UE
Gott segne die EU
Dio benedica l’UE
Deus abençoe a UE
Dios bendiga a la UE
Ο Θεός να ευλογεί την ΕΕ

>>713600851
Nobody voted for this karen.

>>713604658
>Nigger, we used to troll these sites REGULARLY.

>>713604719
That would be sensible. But SAAS is commonly the abbreviation for Subscription as a Service. To describe stuff like WoW or whatever.

>>713600984
>>713601394
demonic AIDS mutt

why is it suddenly getting traction, if they were going to shill they should've done it sooner, it's over now

>>713604680
SAAS means Software As A Service

>>713604692
You communist faggots need to understand that generally being able to experiment with food dyes and paint is good and outlawing things JUST because people don't like it is not.
Just because you don't want lung cancer, doesn't mean someone else might not.

>>713604808
Ross made a video saying this is the last chance and called out Piratesoftware.
Turns out drama slop is the only way to get people to look at something.

>>713604830
I can't get behind this post sorry

>>713604808
>it's over now
You wish it was.

>>713604905
It is, give up

>>713604808
That one long haired faggot made a video about it.

Ross is too good to run a good campaign, he wasn't willing to roll around in the mud with PirateSoftware until it was too late.

>>713604426
>What if you paid rent for a house, but at the end of the renting period you could just keep the house?
this exists. it's called rent-to-own faggot

>>713601394
>WAAH DEATH THREATS
He's such a slimy subhuman nepo animal lol. Also what's this "NO U" projection about being reasonable? Dude seethed with "FUCK THIS SHIT STRAIGHT UP NEVER FINNA SUPPORT IT REEE" as he was skimming through it.

He honestly needs to be raped and butchered in Minecraft HD Textures mod.

>>713603585
Im fairly certain that, being a government voting site, it'd have some antibot protections under the hood.

>>713604781
How the fuck is that glownigger shit?

>>713601976
so long kike, burn in furfag hell

>>713604830
>Just because you don't want lung cancer, doesn't mean someone else might not.
kek

>Signing a petition with an american figurehead, promoted and written primarily by americans on EU soil, in bad faith masquerading preservation efforts under customer rights

Sorry, there are more important things to me than videogames, like not letting amerimutts claim rights under foreign jurisdictions lawmaking, if you care so much maybe go burn down your local disney lobbying lawyer office or something

>>713604976
>it'd have some antibot protections under the hood.
so? doesn't change the fact that the shills are attempting to have the petition initiative thrown out by any means possible, including faking signatures

I signed but I'm not hoping for much
which of these citizen initiatives have even succeeded in the past?

>>713604976
Oh they "might" now, but back in 2016... kek. It was so funny.
We were like "there's no way it's this easy". But it was. Didn't even check proxies from memory.

You overestimate the ability of the makers of these sites, anon. They're not very bright.

>>713604153
>Yes, that means they can't do the SAAS business model
But they can. Things like SC2 could have LAN. Things like WoW can have private servers. Peer to peer also exists. Fighting games don't require a server whatsoever. Minecraft was hosted by players locally in its alpha phase.
And if your SAAS in particular can't comply with SKG? That honestly sounds like a skill issue and maybe you should have made it possible. You definitely should have.

>>713601394
Has Louis responded to being used as an excusr to an anticonsumer shilling campaign yet?
I get that hes probably too busy for this shit but i doubt he'd stand being roped into the cunt side either.

>>713605095
The LG QHD TV one

>>713605112
Do you know what SAAS means? It means you have limited access to the software, when you stop paying it doesn't work
It's not a skill issue, it's a business model

>>713603649
Taking peoples cash and leaving them with nothing = stealing

>>713605112
>And if your SAAS in particular can't comply with SKG
it won't be retroactive, so they can plan ahead to comply with the law

>>713605209
If you paid for a game and you got to play it and then it shut down at some point you still got what you paid for

>>713605194
SAAS is not covered under the petition anon.

>>713605104
>2016
Anon... that was almost 10 years ago.

>>713602363
ok so category 2

>>713605194
And this business model is inherently anti-consumer, so why are you defending it?

>>713605104
t. ebin 2016 oldfag (election tourist)

>>713605283
Because it might make me rich

>>713603649
hava nagila shalomocaust 6000000stein bergkampfowitz

>>713605194
Sim City 5 was SAAS that failed to run until proven by a hacker that the game ran perfectly fine if you forced it into offline.

>>713605260
SAAS means you can shut down access to your software, this campaign is about making that illegal

>Casually read my copy of War of the Worlds while Rashomon plays on my TV while listening to Mayhem while waiting for my disc of the Sly 2 is being ripped so I can play the game on my emulator
>This is wrong and immoral to some people because I am consuming old product.

>>713603124
fun fact: this amerimutt cuck image was never accompanied with a good take

>>713605318
>SAAS means you can shut down access to your software, this campaign is about making that illegal
BASED!

>>713605283
>anti-consumer
Can you define what that means exactly? If people don't like it, they can not pay for it, nobody is forcing them to

>>713605318
And that's bad, because...?
Does anybody even like SAAS outside of publishers themselves?

>>713605395
Deception

>>713605421
Do I really need to teach you why democracy and free markets are good?

>>713605421
YOU WILL PAY THE RENT ON LITERALLY EVERYTHING

>>713605438
There's nothing deceptive about SAAS

>>713600664 (OP)
>EU
Lol, lmao. Go fuck yourself faggot.

>>713605318
Anon the petition specifically is to stop games suddenly deciding to be temporary services at an arbitrary date unknown to the consumer. Devs can totally decide to be up-front about their intentions and sidestep this entire thing. If you actually read the one page FAQ you would know this.

>>713605395
People don't have enough time to caveat emptor everything they buy. But they can get together and vote for a law that does it for them. What's wrong with that?

the brexiteers took us out of the EU just so that i couldn't sign the more meaningful form.

>>713605264
Yeah and people just didn't bother hacking it since after that. People just ignored these sites.
I have no doubt that literally fuck all has been done give how much worse sites are today. In the past site builders would build it largely from scratch with more know how about how to develop the site.
Those days are WELL over and these sites get hacked virtually constantly nowadays. Blame Google and the people pushing specific cybersecurity policies without understanding if they actually fucking work - like MFA, which just leads to more shit being leaked with inevitable leaks and can add another threat vector.


That's why they've changed from hardening sites to just outright forcing MFA on EVERYTHING to destroy proxies in general - i.e. full surveillance on the internet.

>>713605510
I'd read it, watched his videos, he wants to make the practice illegal, period
If it were just "players should be guaranteed a certain amount of playtime upfront before the game shuts down" then I would agree

>democracy and free markets
>lead paint
>radioactive material
>lead contaminated water
>asbestos everywhere
Awesome.

>>713605481
If there is nothing deceptive about it, then come forward and put it in bold letters on the Steam page, that you are not purchasing the singleplayer game, you are just paying for access.

>>713605521
>*smugly chuckles*

>>713605509
Why do burgers like to simp for corpos so much?

>>713605194
>It means you have limited access to the software
And SKG doesn't demand games to remain playable at peak level of what they were devised to be.
You can have a game as a service that is entirely focused on online play with regular online events and updated battle passes and all kinds of service stuff. And then you can still have LAN options.
The LAN options wouldn't need to be equivalent to the online service portion of the game at all. But it could still comply with SKG even if the service portion dies.

But even ignoring that. You could have a game as a service with an extremely limited access that was extremely restricted. And at the end of its service, you could theoretically reverse that 100%.
So your idea that the business model itself isn't compatible with SKG is complete bullocks. There are so many different ways to comply. Both before and after end of service.

Btw, this internet of things literally got people in gaza murdered.
This is beyond a mere video game issue. Anonymity is resistance against genocide now.
So is the ability to use software independent from the internet. Otherwise you could actually harm people IRL.

>>713605609
I agree with that

>>713605635
Propaganda since birth

>>713600851
An that's an excuse not to try?

Friendly reminder that /v/ actually sided with Piratesoftware on this issue out of sheer contrarianism.

>>713605660
Why do you hate the jews so much you literal nazi

>>713605684
I never sided with that conceited fuckwit.

>>713605660
No you see those pagers were SAAS and we decided to terminate their service

>>713605636
SAAS means you can take away access to the software, that's the point
If you can stop paying and still access the software then they have less incentive to buy your new software

>>713604680
Truthnuke

>>713605635
I live in the EU unfortunately. If you think the EU has any other purpose than to defend and promote the interests of capital you are a retarded nigger and should end your life pronto.

>>713605607
And Soviets made it WORSE.
Both systems just fail because of the weight of population. The more people, the more inevitable risks to the state.

That's why they're actively purging the human population through things like covid AND the jab now (not just one or the other).
You're in auschwitz.
They're trying to install a complete surveillance state through the carrot of "money". The money is pyrrhic at this stage. DRM is pyrrhic.

>>713605732
If I'm "buying" the software then it's not saas moron

>>713605254
No? I bought the game to have it forever

>>713605764
EU is still somehow the most consumer friendly market unfortunately.

>>713605520
From a democratic perspective nothing's wrong with it I guess, but outlawing things you don't like that aren't actually hurting anyone will create a poor society and culture eventually

>>713603374
>Corporations need to keep governments in check
Clown world shit

>>713605706
Because they are literally gassing me with their literal fascist regime. They are gassing all non jews. That's why they're installing the surveillance state as part of the process to quicken the genocide and prevent your ability to resist it. That's why intel moved to Israel.

Reminder free market only works with informed consumers, otherwise you are giving infinite votes to retards.

>>713605786
>>>/pol/

>>713605818
should have read the terms and conditions cause thats not what you bought

>>713600918
He's literally a world of warcraft streamer dude. It's older than most GAS games.

>>713605854
Just be a jew, problem solved

Every attack against the 1% is a social good.

>>713605732
>SAAS means you can take away access to the software, that's the point
No. Software as a service means that your software, is also intertwined with a service. It's pretty clear cut.
SAAS is commonly used to enforce planned obsolescence. But SAAS is not planned obsolescence in itself.

And planned obsolescence should not ever be a business model. SAAS can be depending on how it's done. But not planned obsolescence. Fuck you.

>>713605810
>>713605818
You are not "buying" anything. You are being granted access they can withdraw at any time. Naturally, the publishers are going to go out of their way to hide this fact, because otherwise nobody would buy their games.

>>713601394
There's not many people in this world i'd risk prison time for but he's fucking one of em

>>713605729
kek

Talk about explosive terms.

>>713605890
but i like pork

fuck maldavius fagtree

>>713605916
Doesn't it feel good to make monkey happy

>>713605890
But they're gassing themselves too. That's the problem.
Why do you think even Jews complain about this shit?

>>713605576
Nigga how dense can you be? The practice wouldn't be illegal anon. How many times do I have to say it? What Ross is banking on is that publishers being up-front about SAAS will cause them to lose sales and effectively discourage the practice. Not illegal.

>>713605835
That's cool and all but if something truly violates the interests of capital it simply won't pass in the Eurosoyuz.
Btw the EU is forcing my country to remove price caps on the energy market causing utility bills to triple for consumers.

>>713600664 (OP)
Thank you for the reminder, OP. I just did it.

>It's impossible
>Quake, Half Life etc.
>Uh... it's impossible for games with modern server architecture
>Concord has a dev build leaking which can restore functionality and people are even working on restoring the Crew
How is it that basement dwellers can do it but not multi-billion dollar companies?

>>713605967
the sod would enjoy that. no- beat him with hammers.

>>713605870
And the publisher will make extra-sure that the terms and conditions provided will be so unclear and vague that a regular consumer needs to have a law degree to even understand what the fuck they are signing. They are DELIBERATELY making things difficult for you.

>>713605996
it do but it's better to make monkey think

>>713600918
>Asmonglow

>>713606023
>Specifically, the initiative seeks to prevent the remote disabling of videogames by the publishers

>>713606004
they do?

>>713603374
communist detected

SAARS
Software as a reliable service

>>713606058
Still reminds me of EA saying that Sim City could not be played offline, and someone made it happen.

>>713603816
>Vote with your wallet
>Dude just buy a time machine to know they're going to put online requirements in Dead Rising 2 : Off The Record half a decade after release
>Dude a single player game you should expect to have always online requirements you just had to look up third party market research for a encrypted game only to find out the copy you bought in a store doesn't actually work without connecting to the server on first launch, and has a program to re-do the check if it detects any change to your system

I think we should murder the oligarchs :)

>>713606106
Amerimutt detected

>>713605395
do you even think anything can be anti-consumer? Dont like it dont buy it can be applied to everything. Is locking skins behind a gacha system instead of a flat price anti-consumer?

For one, it’s SaaS. No one says SAAS. So you likely have no idea what you’re talking about.

>>713606091
Well Chomsky was very adamant that Israel was doing something wrong, until Epstein, an Israeli agent, got him.

>>713606084
ANON STOP BEING DENSE HOLY SHIT

Ross uses the example of MMO subscriptions as shit not covered by SKG. Because it's obviously and unambiguously a temporary service.

>>713606176
>do you even think anything can be anti-consumer?
Sure
Putting poison in foods is pretty anti-consumer

>>713606191
more like chumpsky

ROW ROW FIGHT DA POWAH

>>713606196
Stop killing video games.. but mmos. Kill those?

>>713606223
you didn't answer my question at the end

That game you liked?
We forced you to update and now you must register on our launcher

>>713606223
Just don't buy the poisoned food??? Maybe someone would be happy to buy poisoned food??

guys we MUST save games
we need to preserve games like Concord
FOREVER

Hey, remember how that "always online" feature fucked over Assassin's Creed 1 years after the release? And that game doesn't even have any online features, it just tries to connect to the server that no longer exists for no fucking reason.

>>713606196
If his argument was that games should guarantee a certain length of service like "this game will work for a year after you've bought it", then I would have no problem with it, but his argument is that games should just always work and you shouldn't be allowed to do this

>>713606083
He debunked it multiple times
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrYgfG-BN3s

>>713606235
Think of it like this
>Acts like a service, is a service = Ok
>Acts like a good, is a service = not ok
>Acts like a service, is a good = How would you even do this?
>Acts like a good, is a good = ok

>>713606223
And this petition is asking you to write "Poison" on the box

>>713606286
agreed

>>713606286
I would like to be able to try concord yes.

>>713605909
That was technically the case 20 years ago and yet the games we bought from that time are still playable and will remain so forever

We have no reason to accept the loss of that standard

>>713606246
What? I just fucking answered it, I said yes
If you mean in terms of video games, then I think if you lie about what your product is then that is bad, aside from that no

>>713606313
>>713606314
omg so based
I love this community!

>>713606286
Concord should be preserved forever so future generations can laugh at it as well, and that Sony can never hide what dogshit they funded.

>>713606287
Same with Anno 2070

>>713606310
There's no such things as poison video games. Video games are a luxury product, they are not neccessary, they cannot hurt you

>>713606235
I'd love to save mmos too but we're struggling to just save singleplayer games from getting a remote killswitch put in them as standard practice.

>>713605112
>Things like WoW can have private servers.
which blizzard has been trying to ruthlessly shut down for the better part of 2 decades
>>713605194
saas is not a business model, it's a scam. servitization is a disease

>>713606346
Gimme a kiss bby

>>713606367
A video game did hurt me you liar

>>713606293
What are you even talking about anon? We are arguing about whether the initiative would kill games with a service business model.
>>713606307
Thank you anon

>>713606331
I clearly asked you two questions and you ignored the one about skins being obtained through gacha intead of haing a flat price. So I take it you don't think this practice is anti-consumer?

>>713606257
>That game you liked?
>We forced you to update
I FUCKING HATE THIS SO, SO FUCKING MUCH!
WHY DO STEAMIES PUT UP WITH THIS??

GIVE ME BACK MY FUCKING GAME
I BOUGHT IT AND I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PIRATE IT JUST TO PLAY THE GAME I BOUGHT

>>713606408
Well he seems to think subscriptions are OK but termination of service after a certain period is not, so that's one form of SAAS that he wants to make illegal

>>713606414
Sorry I'm white I don't even know what gacha game is

>>713606235
It's about choosing your battles anon.

>>713606262
>Just don't buy the poisoned food???
but why would poisoned food be on the shelves in the first place? why would saas slop be released in the first place?

>>713606223
Why do you wanna make poisoned food illegal?
Just let the free markets decide whether it should be accepted or not.

>>713600664 (OP)
but piratesoftwar told me not to

>>713606503
for people who want to eat poisoned food like me so i can build my immune system up

>>713606286
I'm glad you agree. We have people out in the wild right now telling people that Concord was actually good, and the chuds just review bombed it.

People are going to try, and do Concord again, and nobody can pull it up, and go "Yeah, you're going to fund this shit?" because it's basically impossible to play it.

Even bad games are useful as a learning tool.

>>713606559
Being able to experiment with business models is fine up until the point where the business model harms peoples lives

>>713606503
Why not, maybe I have an unused stock of poison I would like to put inside the food I'm selling to cut cost, I should be able to sell what I want it's a free country.

Let the free markets decide whether or not lead paint should be illegal or not.
You fucking commie bastards.

I already did last year. I predicted this BTW.

>>713606587
Piratesoftware is developing a GAAS game. He knows exactly what he's doing.

>>713606447
>but termination of service after a certain period is not
Termination of a product that arbitrarily decided to become a service only after it became unprofitable. FTFY

Like I said here
>>713605510
Nobody likes subscription models either, but they are at least obvious to the consumer that you are purchasing a temporary service, and not a product.

>>713606470
A gacha system means, instead of being able to buy the skin for $10, you pay for a small chance to get it, and if you're not lucky then you get it garanteed at the end. Riot introduced a system like this recently, and you will hit the threshold after about $200. And since don't like it don't buy it applies here you don't think it's anti consumer to sell skins like this?

>>713606635
this but unironically

>Haha you think shitty games have cultural value and deserve to be preserved!

Yes.

>>713606646
Like I said, I think people should be guaranteed a certain timeframe that they can play, but I don't think developers should be obligated to keep their games alive forever

>votes needed per day down to 14.4k

>>713606654
I do not gamble or understand the psychology of people who do gamble, so I can't make a judgement on that

It's not common. But a lot of gacha games have made offline versions of the game to launch after the EoS.
Even gacha games can comply.

>>713606559
>Just let the free markets decide whether it should be accepted or not.
They are not accepted, but big companies are pushing for them anyway. Name one AAA game in last 5 years that wasn't some "always online" GAAS bullshit.

>>713606802
>They are not accepted
They are, otherwise people wouldn't buy them and they would stop making them

>>713606720
>but I don't think developers should be obligated to keep their games alive forever
If publishers told consumers at the point of sale that they are buying a temporary service that will be deleted, sure. If not, it's a product and the consumer should have some guarantee that it won't be arbitrarily destroyed.

>>713606262
>Just identify which of these apples is poison bro
>It's fine that they broke into your house to modify the apple to be poison after you bought it

It'd be one thing if it was in any way apparent, how is a man in 2011 supposed to know that in 2018 they were going to put out a patch to make the game require a connection to capcom's server to run? It's multiplayer didn't even require this in 2011.

>hey you should own the stuff you buy
>no thats communism
Amazing thread /v/

>>713606802
>Name one AAA game in last 5 years that wasn't some "always online" GAAS bullshit.
Elden Ring.

>>713606858
>If publishers told consumers at the point of sale that they are buying a temporary service that will be deleted, sure
I agree with that, I think publishers should be clear about what you're buying
But that's not Ross's position, he just wants to make it illegal full stop

>>713606750
I asked you a simple yes or no question and you're still doding it. The reason why you're doding it is because you know it's shitty to sell skins like this but then your "don't like it don't buy it" mentality crumbles.

>>713606882
You shouldn't be able to buy anything in the first place, rent is the future.

>>713606884
It literally had "always online" DRM component at launch.

>>713606908
My answer is "I don't know". Do you want me to lie?

>>713606882
That is communism though, because you want to take someone else's property that you aren't entitled to.

>>713606646
>Nobody likes subscription models
this. subscriptions are full of pitfalls and sleazy shit
>content trickling to maximize the length of subscriptions
>everything is bundled. you have to pay for tons of stuff you don't care about instead of just the stuff you want
>the deal can be altered anytime to impose any number of onerous restrictions and limitations (e.g. installing sketchy DRM and anti-cheat rootkits, geo-blocking, amount of devices)
>what you signed up for may be pulled or butchered beyond recognition a year or 2 down the line
>they hold your stuff hostage. if you stop paying, you lose everything
>IT EXPIRES. NES games are still playable to this day. subscription slop goes EoL and it's curtains

>>713606559
Free market cultists should be gassed

>>713606884
>Elden Ring.
Not anymore lol

>>713600664 (OP)
no, eat shit
I don't need more legal complications right now

>>713606235
>Stop killing video games.. but mmos. Kill those?
Shalom Shlomo

>>713606949
No that's thievery

>>713606941
Which it didn't.

>>713606286
There is value is preserving bad games, so people can hopefully look at it and go "I understand completely why this game was a bomb and why nobody should try to make something similar."

>>713606949
the corpos are the real commies, trying to take my property and make it useless
meanwhile purchased books are yours and free to resell. games should be the same

>>713606802
BotW and TotK. Unless you wish to say they're AA.

>>713606843
They are buying them, because they have no other choice, because AAA market has been oversaturated with those kinds of practices. And given how badly AAA market is doing nowadays, I don't think the consumers are so eager on buying this shit in the first place.

>>713607042
>trying to take my property and make it useless
It's their property anon, you don't own the game as a property. They do.

>>713606949
Yes and?

>>713602606
Simple. They rely on falsehood and fallacy.
That means they get to decide any reality, including how they appear to others. But it also makes them much more vulnerable to open discussion than someone who tells the truth would be.

>>713606949
>because you want to take someone else's property that you aren't entitled to
I paid for it you fuck. And the only way you are to be entitled to my money, is if I'm entitled to the thing I fucking paid for.

>>713607081
>because they have no other choice
They choice is not to buy any of them
I don't play AAA games

>>713607053
It requires you to own Nintendo Switch.

>>713607081
>because they have no other choice
Yeah you do. There's very little always online games nowadays.
All you have to do is not buy the ones that are.

>>713607103
they claim you don't own any books you by. kirtsaeng sued kike book publishers when they tried to stop him from reselling textbooks and won
fuck you corpo bootlicker

>>713607118
>I paid for it you fuck
Yeah, you paid for the ability to play a game with DRM. You didn't pay for the game.

>>713606949
Can I get a refund when Capcom decided to brick my copy of Dead Rising 2? No? Seems like only one party is trying to take my game here.

>>713606596
Chad if monke

>>713606943
Why do you have to lie? I am simply testing if your logic is consistent and you failed.
Let me remind you of your words >>713605395
>If people don't like it, they can not pay for it, nobody is forcing them to
Now I asked you if paying a chance for a skin instead of just stilling the skin for a flat price is anti-consumer and instead of saying "no, because don't like it don't buy it" you dodge it with "I don't know"

>>713607234
>Yeah, you paid for the ability to play a game with DRM. You didn't pay for the game.
And that's what we're changing. You corpo shill.

>>713607183
That's because of the first sale doctrine allowing you to sell your licence aka the book itself.

>>713606990
>Legal complications against some kike stealing your games
These are some of the only legal complications I want. Just as I want the government to lock up Tyrone when he throws a brick through my window, and steals my TV I want them to lock up shlomo if he has pajeet release a patch that bricks my TV to force me to buy a new one.

>>713607308
You aren't changing shit peasant.

>>713607304
You're asking me a question I don't know the answer to you fucking moron
I don't know if gambling is "anti-consumer" or not, because I know some people get addicted to gambling, but I don't and I don't understand what it's like for people I do so I can't make a judgement on that

>>713607308
>And that's what we're changing.
Except you aren't. You're basically giving them free reign to do that as long as they make it clear before hand.
Which they did anyway so nothing really changes except for the fact that they can now kill games after a year legally.

>i raped my ferret to death, therefore consumers have no rights

I never thought that /v/ of all places would be so aggressively pro-corporate.

>>713607308
You aren't changing shit you fucking communist

>>713607414
Is it autism?

>>713607434
/v/ is full of retards and contrarians.

>>713607434
it's just contrarians and lolbertarians

>>713607434
>why would globohomo have shill teams staffing the nerve center of online culture at all times

>>713607476
You have to be either stupid or Asian to get hooked on gambling and I'm neither

thor is /ourguy/ and it's obvious that these threads are just the rosscord shilling their commie scam movement

>>713607421
he did say that

>>713607414
ultimately you understand now that just because people have the option to not buy it doesn't mean it can't be anti-consumer

>>713600918
>Asmongoldstein
Good goy.

>>713607317
>books are licenses
and again the anti-skg shills flaunt their flagrant ignoranace of the laws they parrot

>>713607434
/v/ is unironically and genuinely full of unironic paid shills.
This has been a very transparent and open "secret" for ages.

>>713607516
>the nerve center of online culture
4chan hasn't been at the center of online culture for at least a decade.

>>713607591
You have a poor grasp of the logic here, I never said that in the first place

>>713605395
How is a man in 2011 supposed to identify that his copy of Dead Rising 2 Off the Record will be bricked by Capcom?

It's not like they come with a big label saying "Hey this game is going to shut down on this date" they don't even specify if it has online connectivity requirements.

Where on any of the material for Avalon: Tainted Grail, a totally single player game. Does it mention that you cannot play the game without a internet connection, and their servers.

What about Atomfall? Another single player game that can be remotely shut down anytime Rebellion wants to sell Atomfall Remastered.

>>713607645
But has /v/ been to the Tootsie Roll center of a Tootsie Pop?

>>713607645
Seethe, we elected Trump twice

>>713607434
Well, you are in a thread dedicated to a campaign created to allow people to "safely" suck corporate cock without thinking about the product itself.

>>713607536
>corpo nepo baby
>literal furry
>cheated on his tranny husband with another furry
>bad at video games, blames everyone else
>can't push a project commit to save his life
>uses a voice changer
>overall a contrarian faggot
says a lot about nu/v/

>>713607645
these threads prove you wrong, kek!!!

>>713607753
>we
topkek

>>713600664 (OP)
there are much more important things to worry about than children's video games. we're on the verge of WW3 right now and you're worrying about computer games? get a grip dude

>>713607607
Every piece of media not in the public domain is a licence anon. That's how it works.

>>713607691
>Can you define what [anti-consumer] means exactly? If people don't like it, they can not pay for it, nobody is forcing them to
you implied that it can't be anti-consumer because people can just not buy it

>>713607753
That is your problem.

>>713607836
Precisely. If you don't like it, don't play it. Let developers have freedom to make whatever they want you commie!

>>713607818
oh no, jews, sandniggers and slavs might go extinct

anyways-

>>713607790
>"connections are bad mmkay!", screeches the commie
>furchads are based
>trannies deserve worse
>modern video games are objectively overtuned soulsslop garbage
>git is trash
>commie disinformation
>dares to have his own opinions
YAWN, you got some more seethe left in you?

>>713607536
Ah, yes, /v/ famously loves shilling for giant shitty corporations like EA and Ubisoft
Everybody loved Kotick on here and didn't wish him a slow and gruesome death

>>713607607
Of course the book is a licence you fucking idiot. Same with your games, CDs, dvds etc.
They aren't selling you the rights to the media itself you know, just the rights to use them in private and not distribute them.
That's also why you need another licence to hold a tournament for a fighting game for example and why Nintendo hates the smash community because they never do.

>>713607965
>If you don't like it, don't play it.
I'll stop playing it if you stop promoting it.

>>713600664 (OP)
I already did like whatever months ago when this started

If we can get someone like Pewdiepie on board we are gonna make it.
I still believe bros have faith.
Trust the plan.

>>713607994
don't you have a roblox discord to be grooming or CSAM to be spamming or something, shartnigger?

>>713608090
Are you trying to say you're just some soulless golem who n can't stop buying?

>>713608082
Judging by this thread, they really do. Out of sheer contrarianism.
That's why /v/'s opinions aren't worth shit.

>>713607536
the only reason he's against this is because he's the head of strategy of a live service furry game btw

>>713607994
>furchads
the chan has fallen

>>713608082

Can we start an EU inititive to ban piratesoftware from the internet?

>>713602207
the mongloïd doesn't even game anymore. he's just a political shill nowadays.

>>713608254
Why don't bee start an EU initiative to just ban America as a whole? They're the ones who enable these companies.

>>713607965
You just told me that you never said that something can't be anti-consumer even though people have the option to not buy it, and now you're again saying that this is actually true. I accept your concession because you're clearly not even able to remember what you have and what you haven't said

>>713608237
futa is gay

>>713600664 (OP)
>entire movement gets derailed by a single ferret furfaggot misinterpreting the purpose of it
LOL
LMAO

>>713607735
>no replies
Good job anon. That Dead Rising example BTFOs every faggot in this thread.

>>713601394
The way he tries to phrase it as Ross encouraging people to harass "his community" when it's really just people calling out his bullshit is what sickens me the most

>thread has barely anything to do with the commiefornia petition and is just seething about piratesoftware
Pathetic display, acuckedfags

>>713607735
>How is a man in 2011 supposed to identify that his copy of Dead Rising 2 Off the Record will be bricked by Capcom?
By researching the game before you buy it like a normal person.
The reason you don't is because you desperately want to suck corporate cock.

>>713608417
>movement gets turned around because of the muntual hatred for said ferret furfaggot

>>713607836
No I didn't imply that, there's plenty of exceptions to that, I already replied to you with one

What multiplayer games are even worth preserving

>>713608392
not if the balls dont touch, so futa on female can never be gay
video games

>>713607434
Im all for the movement but all i my posts have been about asmongold and defending corpos for easy (you)s.

>>713601976
SO LONG JUDAS

I detest the EU
I detest publishers
It is nice for the supergovernmental knee to fall on the publishers' neck once in a while

>>713602207
Wow is an exception in a different way. The fact that they work on a payment model that's consistent with subscriptions and services means they are immune against the "the customer fulfilled their part of the agreement, while seller failed" argument that's true for every game that's sold like a good but ended like a service.

>>713608567
It's funny isn't it, they live in an age where they know they should but they don't, they want the government to think for them.

>>713608559
>ugly corpo bootlicker furfag muttgolem deliberately tries to meddle with EU politics by spreading misinformation
>people get mad
>"NOOOO STOP NOTICING"

>>713608616

>>713608417
It's more just sad that a fucking nobody that gamed the YouTube algorithm by spamming shorts because he's a neet can gain so much sway and then kill the momentum of something actually important

>>713608616
What multiplayer game companies are worth preserving

>>713608598
That is exactly what you implied. You asked for the defintion of anti-consumer and followed it up with don't like it don't buy it. That clearly implies that if you have the option of not buying then it's not anti-consumer. But whatever

>your reaction when the petition ends barely scraping even half the needed votes
can't wait for the next month being filled with cope and seethe about /ourstreamer/

>>713608921
You can't read my mind bro, that's what you thought I implied, but I did not
There's some things in the world that should be super regulated, like food
There's some things that should barely be regulated at all, like video games

>>713608616
That's for the consumer to decide. If some autist wants to keep their niche slop alive in some form on their own dime, why do you care?

>>713608771
What's even sadder is that neither side gives a shit about gaming, it's just a proxy war between youtubers with pro SKG fags only supporting it because they love the moldman.

>>713608616
>worth preserving
everything, even the garbage

Fuck this topic keeps filling up threads when jonnies don't squish them early

There's passion here

>>713608959
>your reaction when
When they are sending shills, they aren't sending their best.

>>713609027
The consumer doesn't have rights to the IP so it a not up to them to decide.

>Release game
>Millions purchase it at $80 box price
>2 hours later, decide I dont feel like maintaining it anymore and take all the servers down so nobody can play it anymore and making your $80 purchase worthless
>Because you agreed to the eula that said i can do this anytime i want, for any reason I want, I am legally in the right and millions have to go pound sand
Now before one of you faggots goes "but obviously 2 hours is too short", let me then ask you:
>what number of days/hours/months/years does the law draw the line
If you cant provide a legitimate, legally enforceble answer to this, then you have no argument against stop killing games

>>713609108
>When they are sending shills, they aren't sending their best
sounds like the rosscord

>>713608616
We should have been able to preserve even this thing just so people could experience the trainwreck decades on

>>713608959
>your reaction when
go back nigger

>>713608995
I don't have to read your mind because I am reading the words you wrote.
Someone said live serive is anti-consumer and then you replied with don't like it don't buy it. That was your whole argument, if you have the option to not buy it then it's not anti-consumer. That was YOUR argument. Why do I have to explain your own arguements to you?

>>713609135
>>what number of days/hours/months/years does the law draw the line
A year

>>713600664 (OP)
>ENTER YOU FUCKING COUNTRY AND YOUR FUCKING NAME AND SIGN IT
yeah nah, i have to sign using my personal id and no way i'm doing that shit

>>713609119
You do realise that this movement has nothing to do with IP, right? Like, the holder still owns the IP after service ends and can stop any attempts at consumers monetizing the product on their own under SKG.

>>713609290
I don't get this criticism. Do you think your government doesn't know who you are?

>>713609135
In reality it's this
>announce game
>a year before the game releases they say it has always online DRM
>most people are turned off and refuse to buy the game
>release game
>a couple hundred thousand people buy it
>2 hours later decide I dont feel like maintaining it anymore and take all the servers down so nobody can play it anymore and making your $80 purchase worthless
>legally nothing can be done because it's their property and the game hasn't been damaged, the EULA itself is irrelevant
And then everyone else laughs at you for buying it despite the fact that the drm was known about from the start.

>>713608959
Back where you came from tourist

>>713609161
how the fuck is "you can't swindle people of their money and time" shilling, I realize you get off on being an obnoxious faggot but you could at least try to make sense

>>713601394
>blatantly gets literally everything wrong
>bwo why are you bullying me
The greasiest shitbag to grace the world in recent years.

>>713609410
>rosscuck calling anyone a tourist

>>713609363
>You do realise that this movement has nothing to do with IP, right?
Of course it does you moron. You're trying to affect their rights as the IP holder to do as they please.
What did you think you were doing?

>>713600664 (OP)
I don't want to share my ID number

>>713609406
>a year before the game releases they say it has always online DRM
>no longer online
OOF, you fell on your second line. Thanks for playing.

>>713605010
Woah bro, judas is the bad guy in a kike story. Let's settle down.

>>713609198
You're explaining what you imagined to me
You can twist the phrase "anti-consumer" to mean whatever you want. I could say it's anti-consumer if I don't get paid to play video games, because after all, that would be better for me as a consumer right?
I think that the best arrangement for everyone involved is for the people selling you the games to clearly communicate the pricing plan to the end user, and as long as that's done they can do whatever stupid business model they want. After that the market can decide

>>713609259
If this was true, then all live service games with a box price should clearly state you are paying for a license that only lasts until 1 year after the games launch date

Mutts, remember that you are literally siding with pajeets by being against this.

>>713609502
nigga, it's the EU, they gave you ID

>>713609416
>JUST DOXX YOURSELF TO YOUR ((GOVERMENT)) BRO
post nose

>>713609523
Okay? Are you going to say how or are you just going to pretend you know what you're talking about?

>>713609497
So a food producer should be able to add whatever they please to their products without any regulatory body?

>>713609458
You've never posted on /v/ or any other board before and everybody can tell

>>713609380
i don't give a fuck. i don't want to identify myself like that. every single fucking thing
>put your id
>put your phone number
>login using your social account
>and so on
no. i refuse to be tracked like that

>>713609497
You think an IP holder has the right to steal back things they sold? They don't (outside of America).

>>713609635
>food
I don't even need to read your whole post to know that it's irrelevant to the conversation.

>>713609642
>gurrllll you don't belong in this friend group you're giving my the ICK I cant-
post tits

Guys I wrote my full name on the full first names section.
Does that mean it's invalid now?

>>713609565
yeah and they'll take it away when they see I found the link on 4chan

>>713609502
They already have it, including everything it's connected to.

>>713609545
Why would anyone be against it?

>>713608959
There's a 60% this is thor himself

>>713609574
Do you not have an ID already? How do you vote or drive?

>>713606286
Yes. Even shitty art should be preserved.

>>713609578
>always online
>currently offline
Figure it out.

>>713609762
Why is that mutt called Thor?

>>713609732
then just google "stop killing games" if you're this paranoid dude

>>713609696
>I don't have an argument

>>713609764
He's American

>>713609663
>You think an IP holder has the right to steal back things they sold?
Problem is they aren't stealing anything, are they.
You bought a game with always online drm knowing full well what that meant, your product also isn't damaged and you still have access to it as it worked the day you got it.
What have they stolen?

>>713609747
The most pushback so far seems to come from ancaps who think corporations should be able to do literally anything so long as they write down that's its OK for them to do it

>>713609732
I wish.

>>713609829
He isn't but he wants you to call him that
he's trannycoded as the youths would say

>>713609497
Do you think you can pay a store owner for their homemade product and then they just take it away from you while saying "its my ip i can do as i please with it"?

>>713609846
so he wouldn't be able to sign this anyways jesus fucking christ

>go to burger
>eat burger
>burger man pumps food out of my stomach 2 hours later due to violation of burger terms of service
>burger stolen

>>713609878
>who think corporations should be able to do literally anything
It's fucking video games, as long as they aren't stealing or lying to you then yes, they should

>>713609829
Because his dad is a fucking nerd who read about norse mythology and unironically imagined himself a viking like most of the old guard of blizzard

>>713608559
>commiefornia
Maybe Commiefornia should stop paying federal taxes so red states don’t get any handouts.

>>713609829
He didn't like "Jason"

>>713609829
It's an anagram, it's stands for "troglodyte hideous omega retard".

>JUST GIVE ME YOUR ID AND NUMBER AND BANK ACCOUNT AND YOUR WIFE YOU FUCKING GOY
How about... no?

>>713609816
No no, you clearly know more than everyone else and you apparently have an argument so say it.
Or did you not realise the post said "year before"

>>713609918
Taking away access to something you paid to own is stealing

>>713609983
getting desperate already?

>>713609838
At least you admit you don't.

>>713609983
>I suspect this government petition is somehow linked to the government
Nothing gets passed you

>>713610040
It could be, but the EULA for games usually says they can revoke it at any time

>>713609983
Hey American't, they already have that

>>713609661
That’s to validate your signature, if you have an ID they already have your information.

>>713609910
NTA but if they feel like you've overstepped your rights or have distributed it without their permission then yes, they very much can as the owner of the product.

>>713610063
>nuh uh, no u
you fucking suck at this

>>713609990
What do you think the word "always" means?

>>713610120
EULAs aren't above the law

>>713610040
You're not having your access taken away, it's being shut down.

>>713610120
So yeah, this guy literally thinks anything is fine as long as the corpos write down permission for themselves to do it

>>713610190
There's no law that says when you buy a video game that your licence has to be permanent

>>713610126
>no it's just for
i don't care. i refuse to be identified like that. i don't care if it's a goverment entity, an app, social media or whoever. i'm just not doing it.

>>713609661
>doesn't want to be tracked
>posting this on 4chan using a ISP that tracks his every move
anyways hope you didn't download too much CP

>>713610190
It has nothing to do with the EULA, it's about IP law and ownership rights.
The EULA just conveys that to you.

>>713610224
No I never said corporations should make laws you dishonest moron

>>713610120
EULAs are already the legal equivalent of wet toilet paper, they're not legally binding and corpos should be assraped in court more for insisting they are

>>713610270
It's permanent by default unless specified for literally every other form of licence there is.

>>713610270
It effectively used to be
>License pedantry
Johnny Carmack himself could say he officially revokes my license for Quake, it doesn't matter, the copy on my shelf will still work forever. We have no reason to relinquish that standard.

>>713610349
>they're not legally binding
yes they are, otherwise they wouldn't bother writing them
you remind me of those sovereign citizen retards

>>713610270
When you buy a what-now?

>>713609918
No, they shouldn't.
They're already regulated in some aspects because they'd literally use every trick in the book if they weren't. You cannot give total freedom to any entity that exists to maximize shareholder value, even outside of the context of video games, and no government, even in the most free places in the world, gives corporations total freedom either way.
But in this context, it's less about "oh no the corporation's rights" and more about preservation. As a reminder this would do literally nothing to the corporation in question and take essentially no financial cost to them either.

>>713610360
Every EULA says "we can revoke your licence at any time"

>>713610221
>uhm ackshually I'm still technically inside because I tied a string around my city
I'm so fucking tired of pilpul

>>713610283
>oh you want to limit your exposure to other entities?
>well then why don't you live in a wood?
>i am very smart
>also immediately jumps to child pornography
seek medical help

>>713610182
Tell me what you think it means in that context then anon.
Show everyone how little you understand.

>>713610282
Enjoy going to prison for tax evasion in the future.

>>713610270
>release game that every human on earth buys for $60
>immediately "revoke licence" of all copies
>profit
holy b-b-b-based, lmaoschwitz at goysumers!!!!!!!!!

>>713610421
>total freedom
Who said total freedom? I said they can't steal, or they can't lie. If a video game publisher can't do those things, what damage can it do?

>>713610452
Then why are you supporting SKG?
It's all about pilpul being a Jewish scam to alter ownership rights.

>>713610295
the harebrained argument that being able to use private servers for some shitty online game infringes on IP law is so retarded it's actually funny
Good job making me laugh anon

>>713610449
And do you not see a problem with that?
Man, it must be hard to post on 4chan while getting spit-roasted by EA and Zenimax. How do you do it?

>>713610518
It happened with Concord

>>713610406
No they literally are not, why are you lying

>>713610579
Why would they bother including a EULA if it didn't mean anything?

>>713610556
You can just admit you don't understand IP law anon. If they're using proprietary server tools they would own that in the same way they would own a game or story.

>>713610579
Because you are probably replying to an Indian ho gets paid half a penny per post.

>>713610456
Only people that download CP are this dumb and paranoid

>>713610469
>In context "always" doesn't mean "always"
You're very bad at this.

>>713610548
Making companies patch their game into an offline mode or releasing server utilities does not magically mean they no longer own the ip you fucking SPED

Rosscord getting absolutely BTFO itt. Good to see that people are waking up to how big of a scam this garbage is.

>>713610524
>can't steal
Which in your context means literally nothing because you're championing "You own nothing" so the corporation in question could remove your ability to play everything you've ever purchased from them without violating this.
>can't lie
Which is also meaningless because corporations almost never lie unless it's blatant subterfuge like Volkswagen's emission parts, because deep within the legalese of all user agreements it essentially says "we can do whatever the fuck we want, revoke access at any time, force you to pay our legal costs, and fuck your wife" and it covers literally anything they do, so they never, ever lied about anything, they were just vague when they told the truth.

So you ARE saying total freedom. You're a fucking idiot.

>>713610548
>tries harder to fit in
No come on, say rosscord again.

>>713603913
He is Kotick wannabee

>>713610712
And you're most likely a paid Indian shill.
I'll tell you since you don't understand, "always" in that context means it requires a constant connection to be used.
You thought it meant "always" as in that connection will always exist.

This is why context is important and why you're constantly having your arguments destroyed time and time again.

>>713610769
Literally the same energy as baskin posters on /tv/.

>>713610646
Because corporations would find a way to harvest your organs if they could legally get away with it you stupid gorilla nigger

>>713609531
>o-oy vey achshually
get mutilated you fucking jewjeet retard

>>713610812
>so the corporation in question could remove your ability to play everything you've ever purchased from them without violating this.
Correct
A company makes video games that they deprive you of access to, at a whim
Everyone gets pissed off at this, they stop buying the company's games, and the company goes out of business. See how the free market works?
>corporations almost never lie
They lie all the fucking time. If a company clearly communicates to you what you're buying, then you can choose not to buy it. It's that fucking simple

>>713600664 (OP)
I did my duty like 10 months ago. It's too bad it probably wont get enough votes.

Also fuck the shill PirateSoftware

>>713610913
What the fuck does that have to do with my question?

>>713610737
Patching? No.
Releasing their personal tools they created themselves? Yes. That is affecting their property rights. Because you're saying because did something a specific way they aren't allowed to own that specific part.
Also notice how you're the only one saying that they no longer own their IP. Your only argument is a strawman because you don't understand what we're talking about.

>>713609829
Amerimongrels love appropriating Norse culture for some reason.

>>713610958
>We have to wait for the inevitable consequence of central server dependency to kill the games we love and then MAYBE there will be customer blowback against the studio
Fuck that, act now

>>713610860
Look at you pretending not to be Indian. Should have learned some English before you played that one though.
>In context "always" means "never"
Nope "always online" is the opposite of "never online". Not the same thing.

>>713611070
How do planned economy countries do compared to democratic ones?
If people don't like things, they don't buy them. Countless video game companies have fallen for making things that people don't like. Companies have risen for making games people do like. Telling them what business models they're allowed to use will not result in better video games

>>713611009
Then trim down the tools. Or design them in such a way that they can be released later without compromising company assets. Or just allow P2P.

>>713610991
sorry saar I don't understand what you mean saar

MIGRATE:

>>713611263

>>713611263

>>713611263

>>713610958
>A company makes video games that they deprive you of access to, at a whim
Which is why this initiative exists.
>Everyone gets pissed off at this, they stop buying the company's games, and the company goes out of business. See how the free market works?
Or you know, they make an initiative to address it because they're pissed at this. See how human brains work? Not everything boils down to the economy, and also you already understand deep down that there are never actually consequences for shitty consumer practices in this day and age when it comes to media products because consumers have the attention span of a goldfish on weed. Why is the consumer protesting it by consulting a leading body a less proper avenue than "vote with your wallet" which is never going to directly address the issue and is going to be blamed on something else corporately, such as changing trends or market volatility and NEVER attributed to them revoking access to titles they've gotten your money for?

I'd like for future generations to be able to play games with me from my era.
Even when the company is long dead and their support has ended.
It's a bit like a time capsule.

>>713611147
>Should have learned some English before you played that one though.
And yet you're the one with no understanding of the concept of context, a very basic idea most children can grasp. Also your sentence structure is incredibly poor, and then there's this
>>In context "always" means "never"
I don't even know where you got that from when always always meant always in that context. Don't let that one fry your cow dung brain by the way.

>>713611325
>Not everything boils down to the economy
This does
If enough people don't like it, they just won't buy the games
You don't need to make laws about it

>>713611227
>Then trim down the tools. Or design them in such a way that they can be released later without compromising company assets.
Trim down the tools? What are you even talking about right now?

>>713611212
The problem is that "just don't buy it" is always credited to completely different reasons that are more acceptable to shareholders than "consumers are mad we took access away from our previous title" so not buying them will not change anything. Only direct "stop doing this" will.

>>713611437
They don't understand how the free market works.

>>713611510
What the fuck are you talking about? If people just don't buy the game, the game doesn't sell, and the company goes out of business

>>713611453
If releasing the server software is so CoMpRoMiSiNg and a massive threat to their IP (never mind that people still buy WoW subs well after the server tools leaked) then making a dumbed down version is a given, note that it'd only have to be released when they reach EOL.

>>713611510
Yeah, no.
We live in first world countries where the Internet exists anon. If people
>this is the reason why we aren't buying the game
It'll be brought up in a shareholder meeting by a shareholder.

>>713611635
Are you retarded?
You're still forcing them to release something they own. It doesn't matter if it's "trimmed down".
Alsonare you under the assumption that the tools are tied to the game and aren't their own thing? It's proprietary software.

>>713608567
>>713608714
Just as a reminder that the Dead Rising question hasn't actually been answered. This anon just pretended we were talking about the game in 2025 to avoid the actual question. .

HE IS AN IDIOT

>>713611757
You literally replied to a post answering it.

>>713611560
>>713611639
Except it doesn't.
And it hasn't for a long time now. You're acting like companies exclusively publish under one brand and only do one game at once. Companies like Ubisoft literally live off government subsidies despite constant actual market failures. You are a fucking retard if you think that these huge multiple label corporate conglomerates are ever going to be subject to so much consumer scrutiny that your average joe will go "Damn, this Scringus Bingus published game is actually owned 3 levels up by EA, guess I won't buy it"
Which is why specificity from an initiative matters more.

>>713611743
Dedicated server software used to be the norm bro, yet that didn't mean all those studios were somehow giving up the rights to their IPs, what nonsense

Someone go tell Johnny Carmack ID don't own Quake because they let us run our own deathmatch servers or some shit

>>713611854
You have no clue what you're talking about and you've constructed a false reality that conforms to your biases
Branding doesn't matter, if people don't like always online shit, they will stop buying it
Infact game companies have already started to back down from it a bit because people don't really like it

>>713611437
Not how a multi-level corporate entity works. One branch wanes, another grows from the cuttings. Just change the label on the box/steam page, bang, consumers will have no idea it's from the same company that screwed them over.

>>713611858
>Dedicated server software used to be the norm bro, yet that didn't mean all those studios were somehow giving up the rights to their IPs, what nonsense
Why are you still pretending that the game and server tools are the same thing? No one ever said that. Stop with the strawmen.

The server tools are a distinct property like how two different games would be two different properties.
No wonder you weren't getting it.

>>713611743
The same argument could be said for companies having to put warning labels on their products.
>But it'll cost us an extra 0.002 cents per bottle!
fuck you

>>713611984
People don't say "wow I didn't like this game because of the way it's being sold to me, I will now buy the same thing I don't like from another company"

>>713612002
Just give us what we need to run games and we're happy, game is immortal. Keep your stupid IP.

>>713611973
The one with a false reality is you my friend.
People do not scrutinize content as heavily as you believe. Even if they are mad years later about being screwed over, they will buy the next thing without realizing it's the same as what they just got screwed on.

>>713611984
>One branch wanes, another grows from the cuttings
That's not how that works at all.

>>713611812
Nope. That dodged the actual question to pretend a different conversation was happening so you could feel like you "won". The conversation was about the consumer in 2011, not 2025.

Imagine being so sad that you can't even win a 4chan argument and have to make up a new one where you can pretend you won.

Sad. Sad. Sad. Sad. Sad. Sad.

Loser. Loser. Loser. Loser. Loser.

>>713609829
Instead of thinking, "At least my dad had the sense not to make that my first name" he thought, "Yes, I want people to think of an awesome, powerful god and then compare me to that, it will turn out favorably for me."

>>713612054
Actually, they do. In fact, literally every blockbuster AAA success proves this. Fuck, Overwatch 2 doing fine now after fucking people over proves this. Consumers are retards.

>>713612016
What the fuck are you even talking about right now? That doesn't have anything to do with what we're talking about.

Christ you people have to be some flavor of paid third world shill because it's ludicrous that none of you can keep on topic.

>>713612069
That's not true and you'd definitely know that if you worked in any position adjacent to marketing

>>713611802
oh look the "pretends to make games" club is having a convention, good to see he's getting pissy about consumers wanting rights instead of making HL3

>>713612168
You don't understand the world very well

>>713612178

That is true and you'd know that if you worked in sales. Your average consumer is not the person looking into who owns who or if there's a good track record for a company.

>>713612086
You still haven't said what was preventing you from looking into a game you were going to buy.
Also your family is going to die in the ganges

>>713612267
Consumers remember being screwed over

>>713612214
Nonargument. The numbers literally always go against what you're saying. Most of the critical successes outside of the indie sphere are literally loaded with the exact things people are bemoaning.
>>713612343
They do not, or at least they don't care enough for it to matter. A lot of what's echoed here actually does apply to a lot of consumers, where "eh, it's just a game, I've got plenty of other stuff to play" is something a lot of people partake in.

>>713612173
companies being neurotic and miserly has everything to do with the argument

nobody is going to go bankrupt because the server software was distributed just like nobody will go bankrupt with warning labels on draino

>>713612465
You're circling in on the answer, which is that things you think are "screwing consumers over" are things that most people actually don't give a fuck about, so there's no reason they should actually be outlawed

>>713612557
You seem to have this bizarre ideal of the educated, critical consumer who looks into companies who publish his potential purchases and if they have a bad track record. This consumer is far and few between my friend.
Either way, no, again the point is "vote with your wallet" is meaningless and the only way to actually pursue change is by an initiative like this.

>>713612639
Not at all
If people see a game with a shitty always online model that gets its service pulled, they will just think "I don't like always online models, this is now a negative for me when buying a game"
Which is exactly what did happen which is why this model isn't exactly taking off

>jannies shut down the new thread

>>713612751
Literally will never happen because your average consumer does not care.
I suppose there's no point trying to reassert it over and over when you just want to throw corporations total freedom over everything with zero regulation as your main ideology but man, you'd benefit from them being leashed more than just "wait and see" for everything.

>>713612829
>you'd benefit from them being leashed more than just "wait and see" for everything.
No you wouldn't. Restrictions stifle creativity
The current perception from consumers towards always online games is slightly negative. Companies are pulling back from it. This is the free market working, you don't need to shit your pants and turn into a communist