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>>713611518 (OP)Has Xbox even contributed a single positive thing to the gaming industry?
Game Pass has killed Xbox. How are they meant to make money when instead of buying games, people just subscribe for 1 month on Game Pass instead?
>>713613596Xbox original was good
>>713613596funding Bungie for the first 3 Halo games and forcing Snoy's hand in making their games come to PC and have a Game Pass system as well. besides those, no.
>>713614526No it wasn't. I hate the original Xbox.
Mostly because Max Payne didn't come to GameCube and reinforced everyone saying the console was kiddy.
>>713614446>people just subscribe for 1 monthbut they don't.... I know lots of people who just keep it month to month being it's so cheap. It's still not making what MS expected but blame the shitty hardware and games...
>>713611518 (OP)Has Xbox had a single dub since 2010s
> Lost 7th, 8th and 9th generations> No games and all exclusives like Halo and Gears turned to shit > All the Xbone features became standard and they were still punsihed> Gamepass collectively killed the brand and microjeets decided to act the hardware Phil Spencer killed the brand more than Don Matrick. FACT!
>>713611518 (OP)Someone should play an obnoxious hiphop HR video starring a black woman outside while they carry their things out.
>>713614589>Game Pass system as wellThis is quite literally one of the worst things to ever happen to M$, since this is the sole reason why the console failed, if they released the xsex alone and didn't have gamepass they wouldn't be in this dire state, since third parties would have released a ton more games which would have driven more console sales and rinse and repeat.
>>713614854It isn't that cheap anymore and only really makes sense for console users. They are the backbone and the fact MS is not disclosing subscribers numbers should tell you things are dire.
>>713611518 (OP)Fantastic. Now plebstation needs to die next. And gaming can finally heal.
>>713614446>Gamepass costs $12 a month>2 million users>$24 million a month>still unsustainable
>>713615835it's the only reason they're still afloat, otherwise they'd be dead and gone from the console market like Sega. they understood they fucked up and are too incompetent to invest in first-party studios to make system sellers so game pass was their trump card and savior by the end. although it's an inevitability for them to fuck up regardless.
>ecksbawks and gaystation will be assimilated into the PC in order to survive.
>Once handheld PC's are cheap, tendie will also be assimilated
PC master race wins again
>>713611518 (OP)considering microsoft owns activision blizzard now i think they are gearing for a software only subscription only model in the future, no point in the separate xbox when they conceded to being in the pc market years back
>>713611518 (OP)>yfw you lived to see Xbox die
>>713611518 (OP)How many Woke tards are going to be fired?
>>713617369They'd probably be doing fine if they didn't waste nearly a hundred billion on ABK. That has to be one of the worst business deals in the history of mankind, fucking disney buying star wars (another dud) pales in comparison to this shit.
>>713611518 (OP)>go woke go uhh... broke
>>713619408I WARNED YOU ABOUT WOKE BRO!!!!
I TOLD YOU DOG!
>>713614446Even when they don't unsub, it still economically makes no sense. When games are $70 now, you need them to stay subbed for 6 months to break even vs just getting a sale.
>"game pass is a great success and self sustaining"
>layoffs to the gaming division every few months
Something doesn't add up.
>>713619724They probably thought billions of people would sub and stay subbed like it's netflix or some shit. They probably didn't account for AAA falling off a cliff due to sky rocketing development costs and poor quality, also gamers being stingy bastards that won't continuously pay money for bad games. (most of the time anyway)
>>713616589>>713614446You're off by an order of magnitude. 35 million subscribers(and rising), average of $15 each. gamepass is making xbox a cool $6bn annually. it is literally the only revenue stream keeping the whole brand profitable. hardware sales and boxed game sales are a nice cherry milkshake for dessert to the gamepass dinner.
>>713613596No. Microsoft just keeps failing and failing, then buying their way out of their failure.
Halo and Gears of Wars were fading into irrelevance. Instead of getting their shit together, Microsoft decided it was easier just to buy Cawadoody and not have to worry about delivering good games ever again.
so all these recent games that bombed in sales but where somehow "saved" by gamepass numbers
or all the games funded by ms that sold like shit but its fine because they bring new gamepass subs...
do you think those games had anything to do with this situation?
i think if you work for a company like microsoft you deserve bad things happening to you
these companies do not have your family's best interests at heart, in fact they outright want the opposite
>>713613596had some good franchises but they keep trying to reinvent said franchise instead of taking risks with new IP
>>713616589>12 a monthDidn't that shit use to cost like 2 dollars?
>>713611518 (OP)the less microsoft is involved in the gaming indust... in any industry the better, i will never forgive them for making paying for online mainstream
When is Microsoft going to fire the Warcraft team?
how can you have infinite growth on a finite population? gamepass userbase was always going to stagnate
unless they start catering to the infinite china and india
>>713621061>Xbox Game Pass’s annual revenue has grown steadily, from approximately $2–2.9 billion in 2021 to an estimated $3–4 billion in 2023–2024, with a projected leap to $5.5 billion in 2025 due to price hikes and strategic game additions. These figures reflect Microsoft’s shift toward subscriptions and services, though profitability remains debated due to high operational costs. For the most current insights, Microsoft’s fiscal year 2025 earnings reports would provide further clarity, but exact Game Pass revenue is typically obscured in broader gaming segment dataIt doesn't make them "$6 billion" it's (projected to) generate around that in revenue. When you cut out operating costs due to each AAA costing upwards of half a billion and mega flops like the new doom, one can only guess what the actual net profit is. Probably not great though given that they're downsizing massively. Also keep in mind that they have to claw that 60 billion back from ABK so it might be 20 years before it even starts to be profitable.
>>713611518 (OP)Let's hope they only fire straight white/asian males.
im a brainlet, can anyone explain whats even the point in billion dollar acquisitions in gaming anymore? just to spend 10 years to make a game that bombs? talk to me like you have to explain the decision to the higher ups
le lebb le flow of leconomy
>>713622794basically buy more gaming studios and IPs to increase market share
situation is GRIM but do no worry!!
just add more ads in windows and gamepass
>>713613596Halo is the best FPS
>>713623145Duke 3D is better.
>Bloomberg News earlier reported that Microsoft plans to cut thousands of jobs next week, largely in sales.
Probably seems pretty fair all things considered...
People might hate to hear this. but Microsoft do really need to get a handle on what they've bought. It's a pied piper situation where they're buying companies but not integrating them.
Why the fuck is Battle.net selling games unrelated to anything Blizzard. Activision was doing that to expand it's reach on different market places and reduce the 30% hit, but they don't need it anymore. They have the Xbox store on every windows PC.
Like, what are you doing.
Wanna bet ultimate will pass the $20 mark this year?
>>713617913To be fair, Disney had to make the worst decisions possible to kill Star Wars.
>>713622794Something like football but with the difference that the rules of the game radically change each year
no shit? with an indian at the helm, it's destiny that they will hire indians and move jobs to india
it's literally their imperative religion
Every company I've worked for that has offshored has brought a not-insignificant portion of those jobs back (at higher wages, ultimately), because the barrier between skill, work ethic, and language is just too much to manage.
Same with the tech companies my friends work for.
offshoring the work to India? all I can say to any company doing that is good luck, we had to higher tons of devs so that the codebase could be somewhat acceptable even then 2 years later it’s still a bit fragile
>>713613596The 360 controller. I still use one to this day.
>>713623204>they're buying companies but not integrating them.Microsoft is the kiss of death for any studio they acquire. The tale of a company getting flooded with nogs/lesbians, going to absolute shit and then the white guys/chinks leaving, setting up their own studio and doing well is becoming increasingly common. You can't just throw money at a studio and expect them to shit golden eggs, especially when they have to jump through 100000 HR hurdles every day. A solo dev with no money but talent, passion and conviction could make a game 100x better than any slop M$ can put out.
>>713614446When you realize they will burn money to put you in a cage it makes sense. That's why they have download-only XBOX's now too. It really is that simple.
>>713611518 (OP)>blueskywhat are you a faggot?
>>713613596360 was a good console when it worked
>T-trust the plan xbox nation... *cough cough*
>>713623567Also the fact that almost every modern controller is derivative of the 360 controller
>>713624146He looks like he lost a lot of weight, is he okay?
>>713614446Like all sub shit, they take an enormous loss to keep it cheap for the pipe dream that when people can't live without it, they'll raise prices several fold. But the reality is that people just leave, and all they have now is a devastated retail presence and digital locked box paper weights no one wants.
But they're so far deep into this that they can't pull out without actually killing the brand, despite it also slowly killing the brand. Another wave of layoffs will solve everything , Phil!
>>713624075Nobody uses twitter anymore but grey haired gen x'ers not realising they are argueing with bots. Its what facebook is for boomers.
>>713624301He runs Xbox, of course he's not okay. That'd suck the life out of anybody
>>713624301This is actually from last year, he was photographed at summer game fest and he looks like a corpse and at least one of his front teeth appears to have fallen out. People assume cancer and chemo or hes pulling an elon and hitting the K hard.
>>713611518 (OP)how did microcrash even get to this point? they did so well in the 360 era. absolutely insane. their failure will be studied for years and years. for generations, indeed...
>>713611518 (OP)maybe they should make games?
>>713624371>nobody uses twitterthe only people using bluesky are faggots and furries who cant handle anything to the right of their bulls black dick...literally still seeing people quietly returning to Twitter because NO ONE is following them over in mass
>>713624146>P-please Todd *cough* we need TESVI
>>713624146>switch on shelfNintendo acquisition incoming.
>>713624448Yeah I saw him then, he looked awful and it made me sad because even if I don't care about Xbox I've seen this guy at E3 year after year for like a decade or something.
I don't want him to die.
>>713624559I think they basically burned bridges with every studio they had, Bungie talks about it alot with how they were fucked over on bonuses and I cant imagine it went any better with Epic games at the time. Rare is another example, Viva Pinata RIP...
>>713613596Competition for Sony
>>713613596Nope. They started the normalfagification of gaming. Anyone who pretends Halo was good should be ignored.
>>713624301don't worry, just ozempic.
>>713611518 (OP)lmao based, time to get a real job
>>713624673Twitter at its peak was 0.001% of the population and as of 2024 was confirmed to be 84% bots. its dead internet theory in action. You are your grandad looking at ai pictures of jesus on facebook and falling for it.
>>713613596It proved that console owners are retarded enough to pay for accessing online services via XBL
>>713623567This is a very good point.
>>713624893They are anti-competition, the PS4 saw enormous success despite having Knack at launch, no backwards compatibility, and mandating paid online. Sony was only able to get away with it because people fucking hate Xbox that much.
The layoffs are in their sales division. According to /v/ the marketing budget should be zero so what's the problem?
>>713624873i just don't understand why they don't use what they have, what the fuck is their problem?? they have all these crazy studios and ip's and they don't use any of them and they have unlimited microsoft money!!! microsoft made, like, 110 BILLION fucking dollars last year wtf is going on over there????? JUST FUCKING MAKE SOME FUCKING GAMES ASSHOLES!!! USE THOSE GODDAMN IP'S YOU HAVE WHAT THE FUKK BRO WHAT'S THE POINT OF HAVING MICROCOCK MONEY IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA USE IT????????????
>>713624371Twitter is the number one news site in the world and decides who the next leader of every country is going to be now. Sorry that you're a homosexual pedo and had to flee to pedosky.
>>713624559Literally losing Bungie and having Mattrick as ceo was the deathblow knockout, what a dip he was
>>713624559They flew too close to the woke, gamers noticed and now microcrash is falling to its death.
>>713622532>Probably not great though given that they're downsizing massively.I think that is just part of the post-pandemic and post-ship slimming phase. And of course those 6bn isn't net profit but total revenue. But considering the many delays, complete and total radio silence on a long list of titles, underperforming releases over the last 5 years i can't come a different conclusion. If Xbox actually cared about the efficiency of their studios and the quality of their titles, and not just the pure volume that they use to prop up gamepass, they wouldn't be giving them miles of rope.
Gamepass, in total, is combining their whole library into like 2-3 annual GTA-tier releases. Individually their older titles wouldn't really be moving a significant number of copies but combined they are keeping people subscribed.
Reminder despite all the console war memes about being unprofitable or game pass losing money, the reality is Xbox is almost as profitable as fucking Windows as far as Microsoft divisions go.
This is half Microsoft still cooling off after covid and half Nadella wanting more cash to burn on AI because bro trust me two more weeks it's going to be useful or whatever the endgoal is.
>>713625342batshit insane. it's like microsoft set the xbox up to intentionally fail, or something...
>>713624893This is the major one. One Xbox failed to compete with Sony in the PS4 Xbox 1 gen everything went to shit for everyone as Sony didnt have to work as hard anymore.
>>713625351imagine going through the fucking 360 era only to intentionally destroy it all.. absolutely insane.. they had literal gold on their hands and just casually blew it all up..
that's cool but can we get some mass layoffs for sony as well?
>>713624989idgaf about the dead internet theory weve seen it on 4chan for ages now. Defending bluesky and posting all these threads with youre other faggy discord friends is an eyesore...get original and post off Mastodon which is totally still used by LOTS of people maybe you can try GAB or Truth while youre at it
>>713625480>Individually their older titles wouldn't really be moving a significant number of copies but combined they are keeping people subscribed.The older titles are irrelevant, they had much smaller development/purchase costs and I'm willing to bet that hardly anyone subs to to play them exclusively. (You can often buy then for a few dollars on sale) The problem gamepass has is that people are subbing just to play the $80 price tag/$500million dev cost games and it's killing their profit margin. Again, they have to recoup all the retarded acquisitions they made during the covid era when gaming was "poppin' off" and that is just not happening.
>>713622489It's basically impossible to offer a subscription service in China without playing ball with the CCP, so good luck.
>>713624371>>713624673>>713625204whenever i use twitter and search any random tag of something completely unrelated, i get CSAM material
fix your shithole Musk i can only zero the hdd so many times
>>713622489>India, that's a good one. Half the country doesn't have electricity and the people eat rats and shit. Even the most well-to-do poos are like a fucking trailer trash ghetto family.
>>713622489India, that's a good one. Half the country doesn't have electricity and the people eat rats and shit. Even the most well-to-do poos are like a fucking trailer trash ghetto family.
>>713614446>sold the same amount on PS5 as it did on XboxHOLY KEK
>>713620435The western is still suffering from the grave mistakes made during COVID back when debt was cheap with 0 interest rates and for whatever reason every western studio looking at that and the huge boom in player numbers during the pandemic and over-hiring under the presumption that somehow the player numbers will still hold when things returned to normal and people weren't stuck in their house with nothing to do every day. It's been a perpetual battle of attrition for them to see just how many cuts need to get made from the over-expansion as the dust continues to settle. It does not help that we exist in a significantly more competitive market as the indie scene continues to garner a higher and higher total market share of the industry. We exist in an era where the AAA industry is simply taking far too long when it comes to game development to reasonably respond to the current demands of the market as it changes day-by-day while we have smaller indie teams who are able to develop and release small titles at a cheaper cost with a more focused scope around their core idea of what makes their games fun within a fraction of the time, allowing them to capitalize on what the market is actually demanding far more effectively. Take Square Enix and their recent response during a shareholder meeting with E33. At the scale and rate SE tends to develop at, it will likely take them years to respond in the market with a big budget FF game designed for turn based to try to capitalize on what is the current demand for turn based games today. But who is to say that the current demand for turn-based games will still hold true like 6 years from now. The bloated dev time of the modern industry has by far become the most devastating aspect of AAA design.
>>713626916The irony of course being that 4chan is older than twitter
>>713611518 (OP)kill yourself, jason
>>713622489It wont from now on basically will go
>Userbase stagnates>Since need to grow is so strong, they increase price.>Loose userbase but still gets increased profit>Repeat several times till the userbase lost translate into decreased profit>Trim the fat, while repeating the prce hikeall that till they go under
>>713613596Only with the original Xbox and early 360. Peter Moore was the last of the old guard keeping that shithole afloat. When he left, it was over, and Xbox innovation died with his departure.
>>713626232Games dont cost $500 mil to make. When a game "journalist" gives a number theyre taking $10k monthly cost per employee and multiplying by number of employees and then multiplying it by years in development.
>>713624917This, I liked the first game for its campaign but even then, FPS games from the 90s on PC and N64 along with FPS games during Halo's reign was better. Halo led to COD which destroyed FPS until Doom 2016.
>>713624893What competition, lol?
>>713626232>people are subbing just to play the $80 price tag/$500million dev cost gamesIsn't that exactly why xbox is pushing the price to $80 to move more people to gamepass?
If people subscribe to play one $80 game and then find a couple other games that they wouldn't have tried otherwise(so they would have made $0) and, whoops, now they have been subscribed for 4 months(depending on the tier) they have now spent up to $80 and, with a little luck, they stay subscribed playing more games they otherwise wouldn't have so they keep paying for games that they would have never bought. I think that is their strategy. And Phil himself said last year that even a bunch of 10/10s wouldn't help them win. That shows their mindset. They have given up on individual games quality.
>recoup all the retarded acquisitionsI don't think they ever will on the smaller companies like inexile, undeadlabs and obsidian but ABK is absolutely on a good track, especially king is making bank. And if everything fails they can sell a couple IPs to help with that.
>>713627346>Games dont cost $500 mil to make.If you include the whole project some absolutely do. You have games sitting in pre-production for 5 years and then triple the workforce(with outsourcing) spending another 5-6 years in full production. Add marketing to that sum and you're much closer to $500mil than to $200mil.
>>713623145Kill yourself, Halotard, Halo set the entire FPS genre back by decades.
>>713611518 (OP)Not suprising
I honestly can't remember the last time their gaming devision had a big hit.
Only thing that comes to mind is Sea of Thieves and I wouldn't really call it a hit, more of a game that managed to surive long thanks to regular updates. Yet even now I think the game has barely any content, a bad art design and just boring and bad gameplay
>>713613596DirectX. But any developer worth their weight could program in Assembly to get full metal rather rely on an API with high overhead.
>>713627641The whole workforce of a company isn't working on a game during pre production and isnt working on it during its entire development.
>>713627012i like the schizo theory that covid was actually a gigantic economic conspiracy between the entire west, where they had to do this because if they didn't, then the entire west would have absolutely imploded in on itself in an absolutely epical fashion and taken every single one of us with it and would have made the great depression seem like kindergarten-tier in terms of economic collapse. somehow, i believe it, to be perfectly honest. i bet if they hadn't done all that covid bullshit, then everything would have gone tits up in a major league fucking way and would have rendered us all eternally unemployed for multiple generations...
>>713627346Modern Games have teams of thousands with studio/hardware/software/training/testing costs. They have to pay IP rights, engine royalties, platform fees (Steam) and, of course, the advertising budget which is often larger than the development budget of the game itself. Even shit like concord, a crappy little arena shooter with a few maps cost $300mil+
If a game doesn't sell absolute gangbusters, that studio won't get a second chance most of the time.
>>713621838Bill Gates become rich creating a monopoly that held back inovation and competition and is now spending all his money to get africans to europe and america.
If he had never been born the world would be very diffrent in a good way.
>>713627192i 'member old petey.. he was a nice guy. he knew how shit was done..
>>713624371Twitter is where indie devs post gane updates and where mangaka post art. No one cares about your homo platform.
>>713622489there is almost an infinite number of indians
>>713627989>platform fees (Steam)come on, that fee is only, like, twenty percent or whatever. and it is even lowered, the more you sell.
>>713627872That's why i said they triple the workforce with outsourcing when they enter full production. During pre-production you have maybe 100 people working a Starfield and as soon as the department leads know what the game is supposed to be they hire a bunch of indians to make the assets which they will then ship back to the HQ and they implement them.
>>713611518 (OP)how the fuck does phil spencer still have a job after a decade of incompetence?
>>713628182I think it's 30%. That's one third of the profit taken by Steam alone (but they don't have any other choice since PC gamers won't use any other platform)
>>713624242Every modern controller is based on the dualshock.
>>713627975EVERYONE, ATTENTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! READ WHAT I WROTE UP HERE AND GIVE ME YOUR THOUGHTS ON IT!!!!!! RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! I PUT A WHOLE FIVE SECONDS OF THOUGHT INTO IT, SO I HAVE DESERVED A REPLY!!!!!!!
>>713613596Standardized headsets/mics in the box instead of a separate peripheral
>>713620435Sounds like there's too many inefficient employees getting overpaid
>>713624146this tweet is over 10 years old now an I still can't think of a single Microsoft Game released since then that I would consider great
>>713628321seems a bit high. i think it's more like twenty-five, or something..
>>713613596OG xbox carried on sega's legacy for a few years, xbone had a good BC initiative
Other than that no, xbox spread paid online and was a major contributor of microtransactions and early forms of GaaS (outside MMOs)
>>713623567This, and same.
>ugh studios today are just too bloated, that's why they can't make good games on time
>ok *cuts bloat*
>NOOOOOO MY HECKIN DEVARINOS
>>713611518 (OP)You're laughing
This poor girl is going to be out on the streets in a few weeks
and you're laughing
>>713627989They should focus on making smaller games with smaller budgets instead of giant $400 million games worked on for 5-6 years by a team of 400 with 150 middle managers.
A lot of the most successful games this year have been small indie and AA games while most of the big AAA games have flopped or been middling.
>>713614854I do. I sub maybe twice a year and play 3-4 games.
>>713611518 (OP)Acquiring Bethesda and Activision sure hasn't paid off so far.
>>713624893and by competition you mean Sony adopted every one of Microsoft's bad practices, well done
>>713627975That's the thing, they didn't *have* to hire at the rate that they did. It's purely a miscalculation made by the egg-heads who presumed that the user activity that was being seen during covid would persist after covid, as traditionally when markets grow, you do not see a decline in consumers outside of some sorts of generational rifts (something the games industry has not needed to worry about just yet.) If you were in such a position to make that gamble, you HAD to strike while interest rates were low and the debt to afford that hiring was cheap to capitalize on it, because that window of low interest and cheap debt was not going to last forever. The problem is that you saw like the entire US industry make that same bet collectively, and it did not pan out and now it's just reaping what it sowed.
To me, it's just more egregious to see how many of these executives fell for it. Hindsight can be 20/20 but I don't think it took much thinking to consider the possibility that user activity will simply go down when people started to go back to work or were able to start going out do to other activities than play video games all day again.
>>713613596Tons of stuff.
> Paid online> Keeping controllers simple (no rechargeable option, no gyro option, no advanced haptics, etc.)> Normalized DLC, MTX> Has made numerous new entries in fresh and classic series (Starfield, Crackdown 3, Redfall, Recore, Gears 5)> (Tried to) normalize security by making always online consoles> Have put out two generations of consoles with the same Windows 8 UI (plus just as well received - showing they care about their legacy)> Gives guidelines / rules for developers to follow to ensure all gamers are valid, reducing devs' burden> Biggest promoter of inclusivity in gaming> Biggest pusher of free-to-play games over paid for experiences, ensuring everybody always has a daily quest to do and a new cosmetic to works towards.> Founded Gamepass, ensuring a game doesn't need to be its best for a studio to get paid for their hard work (devs are people too!)> Consolidated game development studios so they all have The Power of Xbox:tm: to make their games perfect...and so much more. Microsoft is our greatest ally.
>>713628690There isn't a science to making successful games unfortunately. Developers need creative freedom and Inspiration, which corporation oversight massively restricts. Additionally the DEI targets flood teams with unqualified and poor performing workers which either contribute little, or negatively impact the development of the game, sometimes catastrophically. (Dragon Age)
>>713628460No, it's very much 30%. Then 5% if you use UE5 and break 1 million in sales.
>>713629160really? why ue5? are we still talking about steam?
>>713628323I mean the form factor/ergonomics specifically
>>713629061>> Has made numerous new entries in fresh and classic series (Starfield, Crackdown 3, Redfall, Recore, Gears 5)All of these are literaly trash.
Like a tier above shovelware.
>>713629061> Paid onlineackually sega did it first or mmo's depending on the literal definition
>>713628182Valve is magnanimous with Steam compared to the console platforms.
Publishers can push out free updates on Steam where MS and Sony will charged anywhere from 10k to 50k for an update to a game.
>>713611518 (OP)>xbox 360 with halo 3 on sale next to series xWut
They'll try anything besides making a good video game
>>713629529Steam is 30%. We're talking about modern AAA, most of which is UE5.
>>713629578An awkward shape, concave sticks, round buttons, and sharp triggers? Which controllers that aren't xbox are like that?
>>713629745okay okay bro, take it easy, i get it now......
>>713629529Licensing fees buddy. Any dev that isn't Epic Games is needing to buy a license to use their engine for a commercial project. It's baked into their contracts that if your game is large enough in scale or successful enough that Epic demands a small a cut for the provided engine that them and their team of developers produced for you to work with. There's a reason why back in the 7th gen you had every major dev trying to produce their own engine in the hopes of being able to license it out to others, it's incredibly difficult to do but if you pull it off it's literally free money for you to collect for years after the fact. The end goal of the Fox Engine for example was to develop a tool set that could have powered any future AAA Konami games with the intent to license it out to others before the execs almost fully pulled out of games entirely at the time.
>>713628460It scales. I think once you get a few million sales, it goes down to 21%
>>713629529Anon's fucking with you.
The breakdown is as follows
>30% base>25% with sales between $10-50 million>20% when sales exceed $50 millionThe engine has no impact.
Just to give you an idea, this would mean that a game like Fantasy Life i would have seen a decent discount based on its estimated Steam sales, which hover around 450k-500k.
>buys half the western game industry just to destroy it
Microsoft is the hero we need but dont deserve
>>713616360It's $15 a month. For the cost of a Netflix subscription you can play all the newest games. It's good value as long as you actually play ar least 1-2 games a month.
>>713630254Having new games only matters if those new games are good instead of shit.
Gamepass has around 34 million subscribers.
if we assume thats 12 dollar per user per month thats 408 million XBOX make every month through that subscription.
Now you have to cut out the pay that XBOX Game Studios have to pay out to their employees.
Microsoft Gaming as a whole has around 20k employees across all studios and subsidiaries. Which equals to 1.2 billion USD MS has to pay in salaries every year averaging it down - or 100 million every month.
Of course they also have to pay out third party developers who put their games on Gamepass like Square Enix with Nier , SEGA with Yakuza and Persona or EA with FIFA and the likes.
That data is not exactly available but in a previous report they did mention that they spent atleast 1 billion a year on third party contracts be it through day 1 deals or Gamepass in general.
Which is probably another 100 million a month.
So 200 out of 400 million are already out just on those expenses.
Besides that they also have operational costs, marketing and so on which is in general equal to the amount of money they spend on production. So that's another 100 million a month on servers, ads and more.
No surprise Gamepass gets more expensive again and again - really does seem like their margins are pretty low.
>>713630343Yeah here's the key factor. $15 a month isn't a good deal if it's for a big ol' bag of dogshit
>>713613596The xbox huge was the first disc based console that didn't fuck around with memory cards. I hate memory cards.
>>713614854If they play 2 games on there they would have otherwise bought per year then Microsoft is still losing out.
>>713616589thats not a lot of money for the amount of studios they buy and the amount of games they pay for to be on the service its why microsoft is so quick to push 80$ games to force people onto the service, publishers even notice this like EA and said no to 80$ games because even they KNOW tbat it will make them less money and microsoft more money
it wouldnt surprise me if games went backwards in price to 60$
>>7136165892 millions times $12 is less than 2 millions times $60+. I know this because numbers don't lose meaning for me once they're above 10k.
>>713629838Are you illiterate? I'm just explaining fees to you. What do I need to take easy?
>>713613596If you are an emulator fag, Xbox has done major improvements to the scene along with allowing the indie dev scene to take life before Steam.
>>713629061Don't forget
>brought corporatism to video game development
>>713630637You could save without a memory card on Sega Saturn too, though only until the battery died.
>>713629823Only Xbox controllers do that.
Joke's on them: the AI that's supposed to replace the fired jeets, has actually more jeets behind it.
>>713622681>you will unintentionally excludeno, I will do it intentionally
>>713622681they didn't even have enough games to fill their shitty steps idea
>>713611518 (OP)The DEI hires are getting purged
>>713611518 (OP)why you type like that?
damn doom flopped that bad
>>713638083Technically, it sold as much as the 2016 game with Eternal's boost being based on Covid lockdowns but Game Pass ruins everything and I worry what will happen when it fails next gen? What will both Microsoft and Sony do when their next gen vision, Xbox PC and PS6, flop? What will happen to their games, will they downsize and shift to full on AA development?
>>713629648>mmo's depending on the literal definitionPaying a subscription for an MMO is not the same thing as paying a subscription to use the internet on your console, and back in the day an MMO subscription was worth it because there were no additional microtransactions in the games themselves, unless you were playing some extremely predatory game. Runescape and WoW were microtransaction-free until at least 2010.
>>713614638>Mostly because Max Payne didn't come to GameCube and reinforced everyone saying the console was kiddy.Gamecube version got cancelled because they though they will be able to port it cheap as fuck and fast but Gamecubes memory is split for video and audio(unlike in other consoles from that gen where it was unified and devs were able to just allocate the way they wanted) which obviously required some tricks and shit for porting so a lot of ports were cancelled because of this or because of disc space.
>>713641035DAMMIT NINTENDO!!!!
>>713613596Literally every innovation Microsoft had was “ahead of its time” and is now normalized, but because they’re an American company the “gamers” were always against it.
>>713641542They only innovated with the OG Xbox and early 360, after that, they started doing what Microsoft usually does and ruining whatever industry they enter in while not innovating at all. They copy pasted their 360 controller for two generations now and are stagnating controller innovation on PC.
>>713629608anon are you retarded
that list was clearly satirical
>>713613596No. They are the ones that started DLC. They are the ones that made paid online the norm. They are the ones that made dudebro FPSs popular. They are the ones constantly buying and dismantling small studios. They are the ones pushing for everything to be online. They pushed for microtransactions.
They are evil.
>>713614446>Game Pass has killed Xbox.Just two more weeks
>>713644602Don't forget, trying to turn everything into a Netflix-like service and enforcing wokeness, not just in their own first party games, but even beyond it. Their current fate is well-deserved.
>>713645009Not him but insiders have saying that Microsoft is slowly killing Game Pass, We're already seeing hints of it. Game Pass was only big on consoles, with that dead, Game Pass goes with it.
Based, Fuck those tranny devs
>>713613596Xbox Live Arcade, which kickstarted the indie games scene
>>713613596Fable, the first 3 Halos, and spawn in soul calibur 2
Other than that, all style, no substance
>>713641769>popularized online gaming Yes, I know Seganet came first, I’m 35. I was one of the first adopters.
>standardized substantially improving backward compatible games beyond “smoothing”, as the PS2 featured>standardized digital purchases on consoles>standardized multimedia purchases all through the console’s own storefront >standardized audio streaming in gaming>standardized group chat and parties >standardized streaming on consoles All of those things were later added to Sony consoles first, then Nintendo consoles because they’re notoriously slow on the uptake. I couldn’t help but laugh at people clamoring for the Switch 2’s backward compatibility improvements because those wouldn’t exist without what Microsoft did with the Xbox One X. You think Nintendo would improve their old games for “free” if MS didn’t do it first? Nintendo, who rereleases games constantly? I don’t think so.
They've been working on the new Fable since 2016 and announced it in 2020. Still no release date. 400 full time employees at playground games plus outsourcing and no product delivered.
These people deserve to be fired
>>713645441Oh, and DOA 2U, 3 and X.
>>713645364XLA was funny as it was basically
>1% gem>20% Minecraft clone>79% Shovelware using your avatar
>>713645580For all the good of OG Xbox and early 360, 2010-current Microsoft has been pure cancer to the video game industry.
>>713613596Slow FPS with limited loadouts
Microtransactions
Always online DRM
Can we say HOLY BASED???
Not just bringing hype. They're bringing the layoffs!
>>713645627But this is Microsoft's fault, bigger is better is their motto and it's clear that it doesn't work and smaller is better in every way with no corporate insight; always has.
I hope they cut the people that were in charge of all those studio acquisitions. LOL buying shitty third party developers was such a stupid move.
>>713614446Gamepass is free
T. Msft employee
>>713645753I agree except for the backward compatibility stuff. I like Phil Spencer a lot, I’ve worked with him before and he’s a genuinely good guy, but he doesn’t have that killer instinct that Peter Moore did.
Why the fuck did they purchase this worthless has been studio again? It's as stupid as Sony buying Bungie.
Has that activision blizzard purchase paid off yet?
>>713645895Microsoft is allergic to creating their own studios and teams from scratch and would rather buy another out and gut them to turn them corporate. They never got into console gaming because they loved it.
>>713613596No. Microsoft basically ditched of PC as a gaming platform with xbox which was a huge betrayal after promoting directx.
Then steam happened and they realized how much they fucked up.
>>713646017They wanted to buy out the industry to kill Sony, they ended up killing themselves instead, kek.
>>713646131No, it killed their console and closed ecosystem.
>>713646294>make Xbox home console and say fuck PC>Valve takes over>come back to PC and say fuck home consoles>loses both markets and bends over backwards for allHow does this happen?
>>713646420Money and infinite growth. You're also forgetting they tried to go for the TV audience with the Xbox One too
>>713613596The short answer is no. But remember, the answer for all parties involved is basically no going back to the early 2000s at this point.
>>713646560Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. Gaming is supposed to be for kids and nerds, fuck them for trying to kill that.
>>713613596no, they brought blacks, dude bros, homosexuals, activists into our hobby and are behind every money grabbing scheme that eventually became industry standard. now they basically own most big american vidya companies and will drive them into the dirt like EA.
>>713613596Only thing I have are backhanded compliments
>>713645580>popularized online gaming You already contradicted yourself here
>standardized substantially improving backward compatible games beyond “smoothing”, as the PS2 featuredWhat are you on about? The 360 had terrible BC issues with OG Xbox games and the Xbone didn't get BC until 2015 or 2016. These enhancements you talk of weren't even introduced until the One X. Even then, a small handful of BC titles get enhancements.
>standardized digital purchases on consolesNot a positive development. This opened the floodgates to the end of physical media for consoles.
>standardized multimedia purchases all through the console’s own storefront Again, not a good thing.
>standardized audio streaming in gamingIf you mean streaming throught Spotify, not a good thing. But if you meant custom soundtracks, then whatever that was pretty cool back in the day.
>standardized group chat and partiesNot a good thing. Created safespaces and destroyed lobby chats
>standardized streaming on consoles Again, not a good thing. Local playback is king.
Microsoft is not sending out their best today.
>>713611518 (OP)why is jason smiling? is he happy about this devastating news?
>>713613596A guess a better system for online play and playing music while using your console. But otherwise, no. Same with Sony. They haven't contributed a single thing. It was all Atari, Sega, and Nintendo. Everything we have is because of them.
>>713648868Yup, I would add Valve as well for bringing the console experience to PC.
When the investors leave gaming and the next Xbox and PlayStation flops, what will happen to Microsoft's and Sony's gaming sectors? Will they just become third parties making AA games, let their studios go independent, sell their ips, or kill all of the studios and ips?
>>713649362>le sony and ms will le die xDno. if anything ms will die and stop making xboxes and sony will just coast on being the status machine with the epic movie games forever
>>713649468You're barely getting a subsidized PS6, it will cost more than the PS5 Pro, they're dying too. So, what happens to both of them?
>>713624893Not in the Year of Our Lord™ 2025. Literally every single new Microsoft-backed game will come to PlayStation, sooner or later.
>>713647994>not a good thingThey are to a good deal of people. You’re not the center of the universe, anon.
Literally every time there’s a post that “breaks down” every greentext line, you know it’s gonna be dogshit. Guaranteed.
>>713622103Used to, they phased out those types of deals last year
>>713616589make one game
costs
200mil
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buy studios for billions
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