Thread 713629979

Is /v/ still defending AIslop as a tool in game development?

I assume they're just bitter that rule 34 artists won't do their requests for free

>>713629979 (OP)
I have no idea what I’m looking at
>>713630196
Not everyone is a porn addicted incel like yourself

>>713629979 (OP)
Seething artist. You're just mad you're no longer able to make 40k a month from your furry patreon. Looks like you'll have to get a real job buddy, lets see how far your liberal arts degree gets you!

/v/ is defending it because /pol/ brainrot wants to make everything political team sports and the team they don't like seem to be the ones more vocally criticizing generative AI so that means hurr gen AI good

>>713630323
>you heckin' porn addicted incel!!!!
Go back.

>context: absent
>source: dude trust me

>>713630323
There's a bizarre disdain for artists on /v/, despite being a board that arguably discusses art. The next post after your proves my point.
Have a great day, don't sprain yourself jumping to conclusions so fast

>>713630805
>>713617826

>>713631008
>>713626971
ok this is pretty funny

>>713630693
this, but unironically. Besides, if we're gonna moralfag, standing for TOTAL ARTIST DEATH is an order of magnitude better than standing for troons raping children.

>>713629979 (OP)
oh no! anyway let me continue speedrunning this code that takes 10 times more time to make

>>713630323
most ai fags are

>>713629979 (OP)
if it does it's job good, it's good
if it does it's job bad, it's bad
shrimple as

>>713629979 (OP)
are you gonna make a thread for every game that will use ai from now on?because it will be plentiful and as the woke craze i have no interest in their games but even if i did ai is a no go.bye

>>713631423
no you don't understand, my brain only works with absolutes

>>713631423
if a machine does the job in place of a human it cannot be trusted
this is why we have persons assembling our vehicles and not machines

>>713630983
It's just people who are mentally challenged or don't know how to think outside of false dichotomies.
>you don't like AI art? You must be a furry transexual tumblr slop artist!

>>713629979 (OP)
Sure, when it is done good.

>>713629979 (OP)
Yep

>>713629979 (OP)
One of many reasons I'm abandoning modern videogames. Inexcusable.

>>713630983
>despite being a board that arguably discusses art.
Video games are not art, they are toys. Ask yourself, genuinely, when has a game ever benefitted from dumb shit like paintings on a wall or the exact positioning of the clouds in a skybox? AI can and will easily replace this shit- will replace writers too while we're at it.

>>713631423
You don't understand what it is or how it does its job. Your argument adjusted for that ignorance looks like this:
>if that bridge looks good, it's goOH SHEEEEEEEEIT

>>713630693
This. /pol/tards would eat literal shit if leftists said it was bad for you.

>>713632732
In the literal sense /v/ does also discuss art as a substitute for /ic/
Vidya benefits from small touches often enough though. It's what really fills out a game environment and possibly uses it for wordless storytelling.
As someone that uses chatbots regularly, I don't think it has much of a space to replace a real writer either, it doesn't have any real structure, purpose, or goal, and can go OOC easily, not to mention it just forgets details that happened too long ago. Needs a lot of handholding a human brain doesn't.
>Paintings on the wall
Mario 64 :^)

>>713634194
Shit is actually great, tranny.

>>713634006
>You don't understand what it is or how it does its job.
Explain then.

>>713634006
If the only purpose of the bridge was to look good then yeah

>>713634265
>I don't think it has much of a space to replace a real writer either, it doesn't have any real structure, purpose, or goal, and can go OOC easily, not to mention it just forgets details that happened too long ago
And none of that matters because video game stories are worthless. They're fluff for children to gawk at and ultimately hold no value.
Nobody will even notice when AI writers start getting used for video games.

>>713634606
Maybe for a bugman like yourself

>>713634935
I wonder what kind of abomination you would have to be to WANT video game stories that always boil down to "Respect my pronouns!!" or "Did you know that murder is... le bad??"
It's all worthless.

>>713634454
A program that matches the closest thing it can interpret as a peg to the closest thing it can interpret as a hole, hopefully with compatible enough shapes. The only "novel" thing about it is a history of ratings of those matching attempts. Eventually the illusion becomes sufficiently convincing to fool smaller minds. Still, real minds. Which is ironic and sad.

>>713634457
How would you have felt if you hadn't eaten breakfast?

>>713632732
Then why are you playing video games, man child

>>713635472
Because they are toys. I am having FUN.

>>713635034
You could stand to be sincere and not buried under layers of shitposting sometimes

>>713630323
That is what the hardcore AI fags really use it mostly for.

>>713635565
So you're a childish person.
Opinion discarded

>>713635649
I am being sincere, I don't give a shit about the setdressing of a toy.
>>713635756
There is nothing more childish than considering "video game writer" or "video game artist" to be a position worth of merit.

>>713635217
>all those words to essentially proclaim yourself superior for not liking a thing in the most obnoxious way possible
sasuga

I hate leftists so am all for AI

>>713635895
You know what's funny? You fed the discussion into the thing hoping your mindless god will give you a way to win the argument. And it has failed you. So yeah, thanks for that.

>>713634936
Kek, AI really feels like giving a gun to a monkey.

>>713630693
>>713635962
lol

this is just devs having no standards which is par for the course for remakes
if they wanted to put the effort in they could've refined the ai gen until it accurately reproduced the left side, they just didn't care

shit devs make shit products no matter what tools they use
it's on you if you buy obvious shit and get mad about it

>>713635962
They should replace you with AI too you retarded magnet, if I told you lefties hated gay people you'd be sucking dick the next day

>>713629979 (OP)
I will not accept AI for jack shit until it stops being such an error laden mess pushed on me by companies who are trying to raise user numbers artificially.
I asked it literally to just read me a webpage with a guide to a puzzle stage in a shitty strategy game and it started making shit up on the spot after reading one page fine. Eventually it regressed to repeating the same thing 5 times in a list and repeated that when I asked it to start over. This was last week. Shit is fucking garbage.

>>713636176
>accurately
Convincingly.

>>713636176
AI doesn't work when you need something specific, it only functions when you have no concrete expectations for the output. There is no amount of fine tuning that would upscale a mech, you were always going to get an eldritch helicopter.

>>713629979 (OP)
AI is pretty useless until you put a human in control of it. Stable diff+inpainting and rough sketches is infinitely faster and just as good as any artist.

>>713630507
literally every furry artist i know still makes the same amount of money off of patreon. most AItards do not care about art, and they never actually spent money on art

>>713636578
Sadly people will never understand this.

>>713636485
that just means making new references and inputs instead of relying solely on upscaling the original image
it's just a tool, and its utility is directly proportional to the talent and time the user is willing to devote to it
we saw plenty of god awful ugly remakes before AI prompting took off, it just makes it easier for shitty IP holders to rehash old media using indian developers

>>713635860
>There is nothing more childish than considering "video game writer" or "video game artist" to be a position worth of merit.
False. You are the childish one.
Those people have far more creativity and talent than you.

>>713637145
The time it takes to train an entire ai or lora to pray it can shit out a salvageable mech upscale would be better spent drawing it from scratch. Like I said AI is good for images with no specific requirements or vision.

>>713637263
Yeah sure man, it takes tons of creativity to make another setting derivative of whatever movie was popular five years ago, or write a story involving a tropes list taken from the same movie.

>>713630323
What do you think most prompt engineer hidden scientists do?

I advocate AIs as anime girl machines.

>NOOOO YOU CAN'T PUT A CONIFEROUS TREE THERE THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE DECIDUOUS FOREST
Don't care, nerd.

>>713629979 (OP)
I genuinely like and support AI, yes. And not because many lefties hate it

>>713636578
Do you really not understand how embarrassing it is to self-report your own inability to distinguish between slop and real art?

>>713637990
Cared enough to reply and make an astoundingly retarded post.

>>713630507
>I'm a retard with no skill boo hoo take that skilled whitey

>>713637551
All media takes inspiration from other media, movies take inspiration from other movies and books.
Their creation still requires creativity because using a few tropes doesn't mean that all the work of writing a story is done
Either way, they are far more creative than you.
There are games that have a unique take on specific settings, like dark souls which is a zombie apocalypse but in medieval times. Honestly movies are not very creative most of the time. They copy books and don't mix things up as much as Vidya.
Also, movies are childish. The people who watch them tend to be childish.

>>713630693
>/pol/ brainrot
It's brigades of jeets shilling every board to keep the stocks up.

>>713638251
>like dark souls which is a zombie apocalypse but in medieval times.
Yeah, I saw Army of Darkness already.
Honestly, it's funny to go "Yeah, there's TONS of creativity' and then the first thing you raise is "This game is about a zombie apocalypse" like that isn't the most derivative and uninteresting concept in any medium.

>>713629979 (OP)
Yes. Artists getting fired is the only thing that matters to me, it's irrelevant how good or bad AI is as long as all artists lose their jobs.
t. someone who worked with artists

>>713629979 (OP)
That doesn't look anything like the original. Pure garbage.

>>713638127
post real art.

We are still at the stage where people understand that AI can be useful, but not exactly for what. So people try to do the same thing they did before, but with AI thrown in. It's like watching people pulling carriages with the first automobiles or some shit.
What will happen in the medium to long term is that people will discover new forms of entertainment thanks to AI. It won't be video games, it won't be movies, it will be a new medium that no one here knows about because it hasn't been invented/discovered yet. When this new medium is being consumed, we will see the first attempts to apply AI to video games and we will laugh at how retarded it was.

>>713638425
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>>713638410
It's a zombie apocalypse in a medieval fantasy setting which is fairly unique.
There's not that much other media like it.
>Army of darkness
I just skimmed the plot and it doesn't seem like a post apocalyptic story
The main character also isn't a zombie.
It just happens to have undead in a medieval time frame
Honestly what movies have unique settings? I can't think of any
By your logic movies are childish as well.

>>713629979 (OP)
I'm just against indians that keep screaming shit like PRODUCTION READY!!! when managing to barely create a 3D pikachu model with it.
When it is actually good, it will be awesome, but it's not yet.

I think we'll just hit a point where AI replaces all safe slop and the only human-made stuff that gets an audience or can feasibly be a career will be the weirder stuff.
Basically all western media will be AI since it's almost all corporate/government owned, as will pretty much all Chinese media.
The only other stuff will be smaller Japanese and other Asian media created using money made off of otaku (largely through gacha), kind of like what we already see companies like Cygames and Shift Up and (to a much less successful degree) Yostar do.

>>713639998
>tfw one of my favorite doujin artists is safe basically forever because it's such niche content
Oh zuru... that's not how magic works...

>>713640538
I think you already can tell certain inpainting monsters to add the lewd

>>713642065
no you don't understand, it's stuff like cutting off a character's arms and legs, melting the stumps with fire, and then drilling bone screws into her nerves. Then stuffing an impossible insertion in that goes through and comes out her navel, encasing her in resin with a mouth to ass tube, and sending her into a radioactive waste dumping trench with a jackhammer attached to her asshole
And then she escapes totally fine without a scratch on her
AI can't take Zuru's niche because it's both disgusting and autistic to a point where it's just not possible for the AI to duplicate

>>713643353
Ah yes, that's for sure.
Unless zuru trains his own thing i think?

>>713632732
Art is in the eye of the beholder
Bad art is still art
Commercial art is still art
If I decide a lump of shit is art, literally no one has to agree with me
I might think some pilled-out mumble rapper is a waste of oxygen, but they unfortunately make art

>>713643494
He's not consistent enough for that. His recent thing is a different character being hung by her bones and put into extreme temperatures
Shit would just be a mess and would basically lack what makes his work, well, his work. Too much nonstandard unrealistic anatomy, impossible torture methods, niche stuff you can't really discern without specific detail, etc.
At best it would make similar faces and bodies if presented the full body Yuna pictures but nothing actually like his doujins to the degree he goes to.
It's just too autistic and messy sometimes.

>>713629979 (OP)
I do not defend the bad use of tools which have no inherent goodness or badness. It is always the ones that use the tools who are or aren't bad. And if they are bad, them switching to a different tool or method doesn't change that fact, but just makes it more obvious, which actually is a good thing.

>>713646246
stealing is a tool too. work smarter not harder

>>713638425
Based spitefag.

I recently started playing Lunar Remastered. The "Remastered" version is all AI upscale, the sprites, the text, the animation cutscenes. It all looks like fuckin ass. It's terrible and soulless. Thank god they included a classic option.

>sales pitch: AI will allow people to do more work cheaper and faster!
>reality: enshittification
Classic late stage capitalism

>>713647340
I'm not sure who actually believed that AI would be used for anything but making things shittier and cheaper except the genuine addicts who spend all day genning porn for other third worlders.