Please convince me this isn't better than Chrono Trigger bros, i'm playing it right now and it's so amazing but i don't want it to surpass my favorite RPG.

>>713630152 (OP)
4th gen jarpigs are all vastly overrated. All of these games were made for little kids until 1998

>>713630152 (OP)
>Please convince me this isn't better than Chrono Trigger bros
It is

I only have the impression I've gotten over the years, but weren't all RPGs on SEGA system considered low-brow and ignored or made fun of?

>>713630152 (OP)
It's probably the best 16-bit RPG ever honestly, lore is the best any game in history. Better than Kane

>>713630152 (OP)
I've ranked it if not the best than second best every time I personally rank jrpgs I've played. It's phenomenal and probably the reason I still fart around with the series to this day.

Why did Sega like leotards so much?

>>713630152 (OP)

>>713630152 (OP)
I have only played Phantasy Star 1 and 2 and for the year the games came out, 1987-1989, there was nothing better, not even on PC. Better than FF1 and DQ1-2-3 by a large margin too, but surpassed by most Jrpg's released on the Snes. As for Phantasy Star 3 and 4, I've never played those, so I have no idea.

>>713632103
because they are patricians with impeccable taste

>>713630152 (OP)
if that requires any convincing, both games are pearls before swine when it comes to you

>>713632856
Phantasy Star 1-3 suck ass. Time wasting games with no story, terrible combat with no strategy, and love to deliberately waste your time.

>>713630152 (OP)
>four niggas in a row
its dogshit

>>713633050
>2 has no story
Brainlet

>>713630152 (OP)
Phantasy Star didn't miss for a long time.

>>713633089
This is five niggas in a row.

>>713633050
Didn't memory limitations make story difficult to do back then? Usually had it all in the instruction manuals, iirc.

>>713633050
>one of the first jrpgs on 8 bits system barely had a story
you don't fucking say, retarded nigger

>>713633089
>never played it
>gives his opinion anyway
many such case

>>713632856
i did not like phantasy star 3 at all but phantasy star 4 is fantastic, you should play it.

>>713633775
Limitations are actually hilarious in IV. If you level up too much the game starts to go insane with character stats. Like Wren would gain int and sometimes a character would actually lose stats.

what are the best versions of PS 1 and 2? are the PS2 remakes good?

>>713630152 (OP)
What makes it so good?
What about the gameplay?

>>713632856
haven't played it, but phantasy star is considered to be one of the best 16-bit jrpgs

>>713635036
4*

>>713633089
Bitch please, it's FIVE niggaz in a row that can do COMBO ATTACKS

>>713635021
It has hidden techs, you have to try every combo out.

>>713630921
only by retarded tendies who think sega is just the sonic company

>>713630152 (OP)
It simply is just a good fucking game anon, enjoy the ride

I wouldn't say it's better or worse than Chrono Trigger, they're both equally as good for different reasons and being great games.

>>713630921
I think it's more just that most of it flew under the radar. It's hard to stand out when your game is exclusive to the platform that isn't getting Dragon Quest or Squaresoft RPGs during what was their golden era. Phantasy Star 4 just wasn't enough to push the needle when the SNES was already solidifying itself as the JRPG machine. (The awful western cover art the series was cursed with doesn't help either.)

>>713635021
The story is what makes it good. It took the basic rpg formula but went scifi instead of high fantasy allowing them to be much more creative in developing the story. Gameplay isn't anything amazing. Basic turn based combat but the tech merging is still one of the coolest things an rpg has ever done and even newer games that have tried something similar have failed to be as good.

>>713635021
- The battle system is fast and zippy, great graphics style and battle effects
- Hidden combination attacks between different party members
- There aren't many status attacks, but instant death attacks are actually useful and you get a fair amount to use
- The music and sounds are stellar
- You don't need knowledge of the previous games, the story will fill you in and it's a good one
- The anime story panels are cool
- This game doesn't fuck around with pacing, you will always be pushing forward
- There's not really a grind (You might explore a dungeon once > escape > rest > go back in and find the boss)

>>713635021
It's the only JRPG I know of where you can program multiple sets of actions and turn orders. No idea why it didn't become a standard feature.

Is 2 worth playing or should I just play 4?
I have the megadrive/genesis classic collection so I'll be playing using that.

>>713636461
2 is grind hell, but it's got a great atmosphere and the overarching plot is interesting. Could probably just read a wiki and watch a little youtube of it.

>>713636461
the dungeons are really boring teleporter mazes with lots of random encounters. if that does not deter you, go ahead.
other than that, see >>713636540

>>713636461
2 takes a lot more dedication to play through. All the dungeons are labyrinths and you trigger a random battle every 4-6 steps so it's easy to lose track of the direction you were headed.

>>713636540
I don't really remember the atmosphere being anything special.

>>713632856
I recently played PS1 and PS2 on their original English versions. PS1 I did like, it has the same shortcomings many RPGs at the time did but it also does a lot of things right. It's a fun dungeon crawler and JRPG that gives you a solar system to explore and discover things, not quite fully linear either. The only major flaw I'd say is the penultimate boss is such a big difficulty spike (He literally just spams a strong AoE spell the entire time you fight him) that you have to grind a bit to get your HP up enough to survive more than two turns, but I can forgive that.

PS2 felt terrible though. Very high encounter rate, slow battle transitions like FFIX, some enemies can ambush you and delete your party before you act (Especially on the last floor of a dungeon), there were a lot of things I didn't like about the game to the point where I set it down and never came back. The presentation was nice, but it just wasn't as fun to play as PS1.

>>713637208
>The game's atmosphere is characterized by its blend of science fiction and fantasy elements, creating a rich and engaging world for players to explore.
aren't those elements that many in this very thread have mentioned being enjoyable?

>>713638323
You could apply that to the whole series, and I wouldn't even call that atmosphere. 2 barely has fantasy stuff anyway.

>>713638801
true, it's basically all scifi

>>713630152 (OP)
I wouldn't consider it better than CT, but it's a great game non the less, you should stick it out and see it through to the end. The pay off is much greater if you beat 1 & 2 before.
Also since we're on the topic, 3 gets too much hate. It's pretty good and has good replayability with the generations gimmick.
And now for the part I'm really gonna get shit on, if the first three games feel too grindy, use a patch to double/quadruple the meseta/exp. There's a reason they exist for those three games. 4 is well balanced enough not to need one.

>>713639230
>And now for the part I'm really gonna get shit on, if the first three games feel too grindy, use a patch to double/quadruple the meseta/exp.
It's mostly just 2. I assume there's a patch that reduces the encounter rate too.

>>713640189
Can use a Hidapipe, also iirc there is a trick. if you take a step, open the menu, close the menu, take a step and repeat you get no encounters.

>>713639230
Come on now 3 is actual garbage and was barely even finished at the time.

I'll grant you the "Generations" story branching is compelling, but the graphics, music, and especially the battle system is fucking awful.

The battle menu is completely nonsensical, literally the FIRST enemies in the game can inflict poison on you which totally stops you recovering HP.

I just can't get into 1, and 2 is obscenely boring with a super slow battle system paired with a high encounter rate and bad sounds.

>>713640631
That doesn't sound enjoyable in the least.

I've only played the first two so far, but they're pretty darn good.

>>713632856
Do yourself a favor and play PSIV. It sums up the story from 1 and 2 nicely, and it's the most underrated/underappreciated jRPG from it's era.
It's peak 16bit era Sega.

>>713644930
>the most underrated/underappreciated jRPG from it's era
That's not Metal Max Returns.

>>713645659
Okay. Maybe I should have said "mainstream" because sure, Metal Max doesn't get enough love for it's inventiveness.

Just finished PS2
it fucking sucks
VNs are good though

>>713630152 (OP)
Only Gen X game journalist retards like Chrono Trigger. You're right to replace it.

>>713648324
Check your delusion at the door.

>>713630152 (OP)
Yes, its better than CT and the Xeno series.

>>713630152 (OP)
The only good thing about PS4 is the manga panel style presentation.
The gameplay/level design/writing is really no better than PS2 (which wasn't very good), and the music is quite awful.

-For megadrive RPG's you're much better off playing the 2 Lunar games.
-For Scifi RPG's you're better off playing Konami's Lagrange Point.

>>713632103
It was a leftover of 80s peak aesthetics.

Why was this game so expensive when it came out? It cost me 85 dollars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5wJhh3qa70

>>713636293
>stop attacking my crotch you fuckers