Thread 713657138

this game is fucking insane. i wish there were more games with 3d beat em up combat, but the only other 3d game with beat em up esque combat I can think of is dragon's dogma.

>>713657138 (OP)
i haven't played it, but i heard Sifu its pretty good too.

>>713657371
Sifu isn't a beat em up, it's bamham/asscreed sloppa.
At least you're one step above the retards who actually have played it and yet still think of it as a beat em up because
>hand to hand combat = beat em up

Yakuza is really fun, specially Yakuza 0.

>>713657138 (OP)
SpikeOut
Def Jam: Fight for NY
God Hand
RE4 [beat-em-up with guns]
Sifu
Tekken Force modes
Dynamite Cop
Fighting Force

>>713657856
Oh yea, for some reason God Hand didn't spring to mind, but obviously that one counts. Also Resident Evil 4 (the original) with its heavy emphasis on CC and bunching up enemies for AoE

>>713657138 (OP)
This looks like Tekken
Is it Tekken?

>>713657138 (OP)
>the only other 3d game with beat em up esque combat I can think of is dragon's dogma.
?????

Nigger what. That is the most random example ever

>>713658262
Not technically but it's made by namco and has paul and law as guest characters, there are some moves that are completely taken from tekken.

>>713657656
>sifu is banyan/assassins creed combat
You are genuinely fucking stupid.

>>713658262
It was made by Namco and has some Tekken animations in it as well as Tekken character cameos, but it's Tekken if walling them caused stun, if it had limb based damage, and if it had free 3d movement instead of being locked into "combat stance"

>>713657138 (OP)
This is cool, thanks, I will give it a play.

>>713658476
it is "parry in all directions via simon says telegraphs while standing still" slop, so yea, bamham and asscreed.

>>713657138 (OP)
how did they create the animations for the attacks that hit multiple enemies? seems completely dynamic, even if they stand in slightly different relative positions the animation still perfectly matches

>>713657856
It's always felt odd to me that no developer has bothered to at least attempt to take up the mantle left behind by Godhand. The game felt like the next "evolution" for the beat em' up genre and ready to be further iterated upon.

>>713658632
>it is "parry in all directions via simon says telegraphs while standing still" slop, so yea, bamham and asscreed.
that's not how either bamham or asscreed works

>>713658632
You don't understand the depth of bamham combat and are just parroting opinions

>>713659153
kek

>>713658126
there was some other game that I saw in an electric underground video, don't remember which one, but unfortunately the bitch ass retard never puts game titles in his videos

>>713658839
each hitbox has a check that changes the animation if multiple enemies are nearby

>>713657138 (OP)
It's more of a bad fighting game than a good beat em up

The best 3D beat em up outside God Hand is Mortal Kombat Shaolin Monks
It's not even a competition

>>713658632
>parry in all directions via Simon says telegraphs while standing still
Pictured: Bamham/asscreed sloppa

>>713661501
Absolutely not

>>713658968
It is absolutely not an evolution of beat em ups but rather a take on RE4 but instead of aiming for weakspots you interrupt and guard break enemies for CC abilities.
And no one nowadays would dare make a game with tank controls. Removing those would require reworking all system mechanics a la RE4R.

>>713657138 (OP)
>dragon's dogma.
>3D beat em up
Are you retarded?

>>713659153
>depth
Bam Ham isn't the worst game ever made but come on man

>>713657371
Sifu is dogshit compared to Urban Reign.

>>713663119
And your argument is...?

>>713663276
You really don't need to touch the control stick to finish most fights with a full combo, stunning a ranged enemy every now and then isn't exactly the epitome of game design.

>>713663483
You're describing the combat like you played the first 10 minutes. Game requires a lot more out of your ability to crowd control when you're facing 6+ minutes

I got good at Arkham Shitty, but there was nothing to get good at and I'm glad Rocksteady and Arkham are dead despite being a Batfan.

>>713663141
>bayonetta
ignored.

>>713663719
Yeah, especially when they're forced to throw nothing but goons with guns at you otherwise you could sit there and beat everyone without touching the control stick.

>nobody mentioned the warriors
It's even PS2 same as urban reign. I like how they basically took Marduk's moveset from tekken and just made an entire game around it. Of course urban reign is the reason they deleted tekken force from their main series but I understand it, it's probably a lot of effort for something that didn't have enough draw to become a franchise on its own so it makes sense to drop it.

C'est la vie I guess.

>>713663943
1. The Warriors
2. Mortal Kombat Shaolin Monks
3. Urban Reign
4. Die Hard Arcade
5. Hidden Invasion

Top 5 PS2 era beat em ups

>>713658968
Anon God Hand sold zero copies
It's definitely one of the best games ever made but it's barely a cult classic, most people that know about it haven't played it.
Shit, you could probably count the number of people that really understand the combat on one hand

>>713664048
>. Die Hard Arcade
That shit was the go-to for me and my older brother when we'd hit the arcade back in the day. The graphics, the complexity of the movesets, when we discovered that in the 90's we thought it was revolutionary, I never knew it got a ps2 remake.

For me, it's Beatdown: Fists of Vengence.

>>713657138 (OP)
>bully sponges
yaaaaaaaaaawn

>>713664323
Now you know. Those Japanese QTEs suck

>when we'd hit the arcade back in the day.

Same. I remember it in my mall in the entrance and it blew my mind with just how good it was (and still is)

It's ashame that Zombie's Revenge fucking sucked. I used to dream about playing it and when I finally did recently coop via emulation, it just flat out isn't as good as Die Hard Arcade.

>>713664547
And the reason why Die Hard Arcade was so impressive, was because this was the alternative.

If I don't like Zombie Revenge, this game was the equivalent of AIDS.

>>713664547
>in my mall in the entrance and it blew my mind with just how good it was (and still is)
Lucky bastard, for us it wasn't in the local arcade we had to go to a different part of town. If that shit was at my local I would've never left.

>>713663141
kek. that pic would make sense if it said "action games". yhe majority of Japanese games have a lot more focus on story, characters, and cutscenes than western ones and qualify a lot more as movie games

>>713657138 (OP)
The BOUNCER

>>713665859
Shit game, not worth even trying

Spirit X Strike could've been promising but it turned out to be parryslop, and might be chinese

>>713667224
>parryslop
Sounds like a skill issue. I'm sorry games are too hard for you now grandpa.

>>713667649
NTA but if you feel like playing the gaming equivalent of shoving a spike dildo up your ass go grab the game from cs rin, it's got no DRM.

The crowd fights are fun if you ignore the existence of motorcycle and missile enemies but holy shit are the bosses awful. "

>>713657810
Yea if there was just a boss rush/those long fight sequences separate game i would tell everyone to get it

>>713667893
Sounds exactly like the shit demo, no surprise really

>>713657656
What defines a beat 'em up then?
You usually won't be hitting groups in god hand but fighting alternating 1v1s.
Sifu is closer to 2d bet 'em ups in that sense since you can be in the center and safe thanks to parries and disrupts(bottle/chair etc)

>>713657810
>>713668024
You play Yakuza for the story. The combat has always sadly kinda sucked.

>>713657138 (OP)
>The Best PS2 Beat-Em-Up You've Never Heard Of!!!!
>aftermarket price jumps to $210

>>713657138 (OP)
I want a remake of this and The Bouncer

>>713657138 (OP)
I enjoyed the semi open world of Beat Down. Being able to just start fights with anyone and intimidating them to join your gang was kino.

>>713668363
>>713668428
The Bouncer, Beatdown and Final Fight Streetwise are the bottom of the barrel and make Yakuza's combat look actually good.

how about ninas game

>>713668428
I liked the game's obtuse weirdness but its actual fighting mechanics weren't great.

>>713663276
That you have 3 buttons, it's rock paper scissors and the characters are on ice, sliding to their targets. Get fucked nigger

>>713668673
>featuring nina from the tekken series

>>713668519
Yes, that's why it needs a remake to make it better. Nigger

>>713658968
Unlike most games that people have tried to make "spiritual successors" for over the years, God Hand is actually hard to make.

>>713668673
Only worth it for Nina

>>713658968
the "problem" with god hand is that unfortunately its very intentional tank controls would probably be seen as "bad design" nowadays. same way people think re4 is outdated and the remake improves upon it (it doesn't)

>>713658306
Its not
DD has beat em up design to it since moves are actively designed to counter certain enemies animations

>>713661628
How the fuck do people royal block shit

>>713672028
by cancelling into RG from i-frames
In 3 you can get huge RG windows by rolling into it but in 4 and 5 your best bet is jumping into guard

>>713658968
Both God Hand and this game flopped sales wise
The average westoid gamer has no idea how to play a beat me up
You can check some of the reviews or comments on urban reign. Its such a tightly designed game that rewards you so much for doing the correct thing and using your throws well.
But if you don't understand how the game works you get stomped like a bug and then the meat head throws the controller

Sifu being such a success made me hopeful for another Situ but with a combat system that actually has depth beyond Simon says.
But the fag devs made a soccer game instead
Fkn French

Urban reign is a true hidden gem. On the surface it looks like a generic wu-tang clan game, but when you play it, its surprisingly in depth gameplay draws you in.

>>713661625
You habe no idea what you are talking about.beat urban reign and post your mission 100 clear screenshot.
Then I will hear why that mediocre MK game is better. I played it as well. Its solid fun but it has nothing on the core system of god hand or urban reign.

>>713657138 (OP)
Is the point is this thread to make someone say Jackie Chan: Stuntmaster? Because I'm saying it.

>>713672181
>But if you don't understand how the game works you get stomped like a bug and then the meat head throws the controller
These games were right at the end of the period where a game wouldn't tell you jack shit and you'd trade secrets at the schoolyard
99% of people's problem with God Hand is just never learning its mechanics, I'm convinced IGN never even figured out guard breaking was a thing

>>713668179
Beat me ups place emphasis on positioning and crowd control through throws
There is divide and conquer by forcing 1v1s quickly or grouping enemies into a super. The main thing however is that you are interacting through close range hurt box exchanges. In that sense beat em ups with weapons are their own sub genre imo. (Shitty arpgs without the rpg)
Except dragons crown. That game somehow managed to cook up something quite unique

>>713668428
The structure of this game is amazing but the actual gameplay is very lackluster

>>713668149
I hope Sega makes a comeback and makes another game with soul

>>713672589
I think god hand has the very real issue of low production affecting core gameplay to much
The generic moves feel so floaty and unresponsive that you kinda don't want to learn hoe it works
The only way you get some real impact is by activating the god hand or doing an animated super move. This game needs a real remake with some real money. It feels like it was made from money they begged of the street in their free time.

>>713673042
>The generic moves feel so floaty and unresponsive that you kinda don't want to learn hoe it works
what?
the game is extremely responsive and not only are hits well-animated, counterhits have a big explosion and sound cue and send enemies flying

you're exactly who I'm talking about when I say people don't know its mechanics

>>713657138 (OP)
Gaming was actually good before souls garbage

>>713668719
you have several special moves that require pressing two buttons ackshually

>>713663141
>rollslop
>depth

>>713672695
>dragons crown
how the fuck have I never heard of this before, looks so kino. reminds me of ToS, grand chase, elsword, etc.

>>713672181
Why are you pretending you're not a Westoid yourself?

>>713657138 (OP)
Anarchy Reigns was a forgotten one, it even had a brawler multiplayer mode which was fun as fuck.

>>713657138 (OP)
it exists and it's one of the most fun games ever

>>713673659
Anarchy Reigns was primarily multiplayer and it fucking ruled.
If Sega had just paid for a single fucking patch to remove the infinite dodge and KW glitches it would've survived

>>713657138 (OP)
I've been digging through the action games on the PS2 and discovered this like a year and a half ago and it was such a fucking blast I've played through like 3 times. Learning how to fight Golem until you can reliably counter all his throws and not get hit is unbelievably satisfying when you pull it off. Still working on S ranking all missions, having to play a low rank character on a high difficulty FORCES you to get good, I love it.

>>713673174
Compare generic jab strings on block or even hit in this game to the impact of Sifu or a resident evil kick. That's what I mean.
The game is responsive with its mechanics and control scheme but the generic stuff feels like you are pretending to punch.

>>713673728
God I miss when we still got these multiplayer action combat beat em up style games. All we get are 1v1 fighting games with no freeform movement which is fine I guess but fuck man I prefer lobbies where several people can brawl it out.

>>713673483
Its not on pc bcs its by vanilla ware. A Japanese indie studio. I emulated the ps3 version.
Should run even on a mid machine.
Its a great game but it took me a few hours to get a hold of how to crowd control well without clustering my screen with effects.

>>713673852
>your hits don't have enough impact on block despite having their own beefy sound cue, pushing enemies back, and causing loud and highly visible enemy parries
I genuinely don't know what you're on about
God Hand's impacts are great

I liked Fighting Force 64

>>713673612
I am. I'm just noticing patterns.

>>713657138 (OP)
Looks like shit.

>>713673838
Golem is unironically the final boss. But you meet him in like mission 40/100
If you understand how to beat him consistently the rest of the game is a breeze. Some bigger groups need some patience and good positioning but it's all very doable compared to the filter that this guy is.

While we're on about obscure PS2 action games, how do we feel about Samurai Western, Way of the Samurai's action spinoff?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9WqWf0xRAg

>>713673967
Yes. the canned animations do. Like I said.
But when you first play this game as a casual you will mostly use your jab strings.

>>713674263
>Yes. the canned animations do
Anon nothing in that webm is a canned super or god hand activation

>>713674376
...nvm
Just take away from this that I think that the jabs look and feel very weak

>>713673852
I don't think it's a matter of the animations but rather the absolutely miserable damage jab strings do.
honestly I think enemies have too much health

>>713673967
Remember that Hard mode runs are primarily run with jab jab guard break
At some point no fun is allowed

I invoke the One Law.
desu I like it but I like Xeno Clash more.

>>713674238
First time seeing this
Ill report back after playing it

>>713673659
I actually played anarchy reigns and urban reign back to back. Anarchy is fucking incredibly boring in comparison

>>713674238
I feel like
>TAKE THAT
>*DODGE*
>*DODGE*
>STAY STILL
>*DODGE*
>*DODGE*
>whistle *HOT DANG*

>>713674512
That IS hard mode

>>713674495
You're not wrong that just landing regular hits does low damage, but you're not meant to be getting damage from them. Regular hits exist to get enemies to block so you can guard break them which turns all of your attacks against them into counterhits for a good 2-3 seconds, and counterhits do multiplied damage and add special properties to your moves like being able to launch into a wall for even more damage.
If enemies in god hand feel like damage sponges you're either not getting guard breaks/counterhits or it's been too long since you replaced your moveset

>>713674612
Anarchy is a multiplayer vs game, the single player is tacked on and very weak.

>>713668306
>buying used physical copies of games on systems thats entire library can be emulated
Well there's your problem!

>>713674718
The mechanics themselves are boring. Anarchy reigns has multiplayer and the opponents you fight are of equal movesets for the most part and it's way more complex and fun.

>mission ??
>protect this smol guy with low hp from these three world-ending monsters
Urban Reign was kinda unfair sometimes

>>713674821
I guarantee that you've barely scratched the surface of Anarchy.

>>713663943
The warriors is neat but I can't get over how awful rockstars movement controls always feel, and its made a lot worse when you're not mostly driving/shooting.

>>713674867
I play urban reign and immediately have a lot of cool and fun moves with a lot of ways to interact with the environment, enemies, and even multiple enemies. UR takes from both fighting games and classic beat em ups.

AR's baseline movesets are just not that interesting, no amount of combo tech is gonna change that. I tried exploring every character and just zzz. Why would I want to play multiplayer for this instead of a real fighting game if the characters aren't even half as interesting as an actual action game character, let alone a fighting game character??? I wanted to like it, trust me, I thought it was gonna be awesome but was so crazy disappointed and then booted up urban reign and it immediately gripped me.

>>713674106
Zoomer

>>713675049
>Why would I want to play multiplayer for this instead of a real fighting game
Anon you realize Anarchy isn't a 1v1 fighter right?
It's a battle royale game.

>>713657138 (OP)
i just want more single player "fighting games". beat em ups are fine but i'll also take something like a more fleshed out version of the adventure mode from SF6 for example

>>713657138 (OP)
I want a remake of this just to see Brad in higher quality

>>713672695
god hand doesn't have throws unless you count launchers
Sifu has your main claim(close range hurtbox interaction)
I don't think you're the guy I responded to since that undermines his whole argument.

>>713657138 (OP)
Spikeout is literally a 3d beatemup, like they just added an extra axis and kept the exact same design. It's fun

>>713657138 (OP)
God Hand

>>713672695
Throws don't have to define crowd control. God Hand creates crowd control through it's launchers, whether that be one that sends them up high or sends them straight ahead. 3D space also allows you to have sweeping attacks (which you have by default) which can trip multiple enemies and potentially lead into a launcher or at least get them out of your way temporarily.

>>713661501
fgc retard mental illness

>>713674565
Looks like AI made it

>>713675330
Spikeout fucking rules, but DESU I like Urban Reign's core combat better. If UR had Spikeout's continuous level design with branching paths instead of a bunch of separate missions I think that would be my ideal 3D Beat em up.

>>713675872
Yes, I made that webm.

>>713675330
This game is from 1998 and has zero camera control, yet it manages to frame the gameplay almost perfectly better than 99% of games released years later.

>>713676632
It also manages to have better control using a single stick and buttons than many games with dual sticks and shitloads of buttons years later.

I swear to god I am like the only person on the planet that enjoyed FF: Streetwise

>>713665827
>Not marrying the Schizo Loli

>>713664268
>most people that know about it haven't played it.
Its one of the most pirated PS2 titles currently and been for years actually anon so people played God Hand,it also was/is (last year at least when I checked) highest user rated PS2 title on metacritic ever and had no1 spot. Check stats on vimm,romsfun and other pirate sites-God Hand is somehow top 5 when it comes to downloads lol.

>>713679105
>source: my ass

>>713664268
>It's definitely one of the best games ever made
God Hand is objectively a terrible game. It being good is a forced meme.

>>713679691
You forgot some buzzwords. Call it soulless and artificial.

>>713679845
The core gameplay is just not good.

>>713673612
GOTTEM

>>713679367
https://romsfun.com/roms/playstation-2/page/2/

Here for example,its in top 20. You dont have to believe me,it changes nothing.

https://www.metacritic.com/game/god-hand/

It still is no1. Next is Midnight Club 3 also with 9.2 userscore and then RE4 with 9.1.

>>713679965
>first three reviews are all gibberish from third worlders
God Hand fans, this is your mindset.

>>713680098
What your fav game? Lets look at it.

>>713680186
My favorite game doesn't have a Metacritic page.

>>713657138 (OP)
yakuza, fist of the north star, mad max, batman games, many other examples

>>713680239
What is it? Are you going to answer or not.

>>713680327
Why? There's no Metacritic page for it.

>>713680369
>wont give title
I accept your concession,nigger faggot.

>>713680430
Concession of what exactly? I already told you there's no review aggregate site that has it, you aren't going to find hordes of brown people reviewing it (unlike with God Hand).

>>713680602
Give the title. Its not about meta. Just tell the title. Will you or will you continue to act like jewish trooncel.

>>713675067
I'm 34.

>>713657138 (OP)
Acts of Blood is like that if you don't mind running around as a SEA monke. The Warriors and Sleeping Dogs are some good contenders but the later is pretty slow now compared to something like Sifu.

The rage 2001 (loved it when I was 6 years old) and two watchmen games

>>713658382
>>713658502
>Bamco experimented with beat em ups starring Jin and the Worst Williams sister
>never went anywhere with it after those two attempts disappeared into the ether
Feelsbadman. You could run the whole cast through an arena style gauntlet that isn't some flat sidescroller from 40 years ago. Make it open ended like the Warriors where you run around through setpieces kicking the shit out of randos as PJ, Ogre, Eddy etc.

>>713681492
I mean, T3-T6 all have beat em up modes dude.

This game was really easy but I enjoyed it a lot. I also enjoyed Jackie Chan games and Charlie's Angels

>>713657656
>Sifu
>bamham/asscreed sloppa.
Youre retarded in the brain

>>713668673
Should've been Anna. Nina a shit.

This game was the first time I heard pussy used as an insult.

>>713657656
You are woefully wrong on all accounts.

>>713672028
It's so easy bro just like assasins creed bro

>>713675273
Looks like commander shepard if earthborn+ruthless

>>713657138 (OP)
I never played any of these games, but I guess Urban Chaos was NOT related to this?

Also, what was that fighting game, where you played a fat latino in a blue tracksuit?

>>713682483
>that fighting game, where you played a fat latino in a blue tracksuit
Necroing cause curious too

>>713682734
Copilot helped me out. This is the game I was thinking about, I guess.

>>713682810
holy KINO

>>713682810
Dope, I never heard about this one

>>713682810
>there was a time when Cockstar made more than just SharkcardsTM to rip off addicts with
Grim

It was nice of the bad guys to stand there and do literally nothing the entire time

>>713657810
Yakuza is 50% cutscenes, 20% running around, 10% mini games, 10% loading screens and 10% actual beat em up gameplay. It's not a beat em up.

>>713683289
Bro it's not like my souls games where you're a weakling that dies in one hit. It's unplayable blud fr.

>>713683289
you're gonna be surprised how fucking aggressive the enemies become in this game. they even have dedicated animations for ganging up on you like gank grapples, and enemies will continue beating on you while other enemies grapple you

>>713664446
WANKER

>>713683824
Then they'll just move the goal posts and call it mashing. Souls ruined gaming.

>>713683289
Dude in the webm was playing on easy or normal, and thats literally the first tutorial mission. On Hard and above enemies constantly use team grapple moves and juggle you to death.
t. someone who has actually played the fucking game

>>713672695
>dragons crown
my beloved. why are we never getting more fantasy setting beat em ups? had to go back and play chronicles of mystara for my fix. I was interested in absolum, but the weapons the characters in that game wield are only used in special attacks and the demo was terrible (it's just a soulslike that larps as a beat em up)

>>713674565
>ui button prompt that tells you what to do instead of looking at animations
slop

>>713684586
It's okay if the game lets you turn it off, especially if it's forced off in higher difficulties. Not sure about that game specifically tho

>>713683345
Yep... no wonder i never got into the Yakuza games. What a massively overrated fucking shit.
Oh and dont forget how 90% of the games keep reusing Kamurochou and same assets.

>>713684392
>>dragons crown
>my beloved.
What i HATE about this fucking game is the grind. You have to keep redoing the same fucking 8-12 levels or whatever over and over and over again.
The game would have been much better with less grind and actual MORE levels than what we get. I couldnt even finish the game cause i got fed up (after beating the dragon the first time)

>>713657138 (OP)
Final Fight: Streetwise

>>713683345
>10% mini games
That's a lie and you fucking know it.

IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT?!!!

>>713657138 (OP)
artificial difficulty

>>713675273
>im here to kill chaos

>>713657138 (OP)
come home white man

>>713657138 (OP)
Konquest mode in MK: Armageddon. It’s not very good thoughever

>>713657138 (OP)
don't forget to vote for it on GOG dreamlist
>https://www.gog.com/dreamlist/game/urban-reign-2005

>>713657138 (OP)
God hand

>>713685720
>>713686187
I miss when games were marketed to normal* people.

*straight white males

>>713685286
but even those levels, especially with the B routes, are already more content than most beat em ups.