Why did you make VR fail?

>>713659619 (OP)
Man I just finished playing through magical pop'n and eating a bowl of reese's puffs in my underwear

Not comfy

>You would be a kid again if you could

Is this supposed to be an own? Like 99% of people would press a button to go back to being a kid.

>>713659873
holy SOUL

>>713659619 (OP)
Gamers are braindead morans
VR needs to be seamless plug and play that's 100% comfortable or they won't use it

>>713659619 (OP)
>think forward
>see how new bullshit is garbage and will lead to ruin
mhm

>>713659619 (OP)
>fucking gamers how can they not like CHANGE yeah it's a change for something worse but it's CHANGE, CHANGE is hecking good!!!

If you had to play a single generation of games for the rest of your life, snes wouldn't be a bad call.

>>713659619 (OP)
oh no not the hecking stadiarino

>>713659619 (OP)
I can't take david jaffe seriously because when I read his name I remember quotes from The Tester.
>I do it for you David Jaffe
>belly of the beast belly of the beast be-be-be-be

>>713659619 (OP)
Unfortunately I AM forward thinking and I think forward looks shite.
What the twitter cancer wants isn't forward thinking people, it's forward walking without thinking about the waiting abyss.

>>713659619 (OP)
no motherfucker people just don't want to throw their money in the fucking bin

>>713659619 (OP)
gamers with their forward thinking saw the current VR tech as unfinished and a gimmick and didn't support it

>>713659619 (OP)
I'm not buying a 400 dollar headset just to play tech demos and vomit from motion sickness

>>713659873
spam

>>713659619 (OP)
This guy pays money for a blue symbol next to his name

Trix are actually fucking good, what is this nigger on about?

>>713659619 (OP)
>Epic store
Bad storefront that never improved. Tons of money went towards securing timed exclusives but never to improving the damn storefront itself. And for all the talk of giving creators a bigger cut and that it could -potentially- mean cheaper prices for consumers, it never happened.
>Stadia
Playing anywhere and having beefy computers running a game remotely doesn't mean shit if you have to deal with annoying amounts of lag.
>VR
Expensive buy-in, and not enough games for most people to justify. And when people did mass buy-in for something like PSVR, barely anything came for it, which turned them off of VR going forward. Stuff like Meta Quest, where it's cheaper, works on its own, and is compatible with PC, is a step in the right direction.

>>713659619 (OP)
>6 fucking years ago
Why do you post this shit?

>>713659619 (OP)
>EPIC GAY STORE
No thanks homo.

>>713660368
(You)

>>713659619 (OP)
> why won't you drink our coolaid? Why!

>>713660565
Slavery was 500 years ago. Your point?

>>713659619 (OP)
Being in my PJ's, playing Snes and eating Trix sounds way the fuck more fun, and actually is more fun than using those shitty services he suggested.

>>713659619 (OP)
>Shit store
>Shitty laggy service so bad it got shutdown
>Shitty gimmick
Why won't those pesky gamers just eat shit?

>>713660659
>person
AAACK!!

>VR
Boy do I love FPS sims where I stand upright and fiddle with magazines.

>>713659619 (OP)
I don't get how anyone can be more than mildly amused by VR. It still looks like 95% janky shit or streamerbait games.

>>713659619 (OP)
>Seems they'd prefer it if they were still sitting in their PJ's, playing SNES, and eating Trix
Yes.

I AM forward-thinking. I look at the half-empty bottle of whisky in my hand and I look at my car and I think ahead and realize "If I drive in this condition, I'll most likely crash into something." I look at the Stadia and the Oculus and I think ahead and realize "If I buy those, I'll be wasting my money."

>>713660659
>Person
YWNBAW

>>713659619 (OP)
>>713659619 (OP)
VR failed? As far as I know all children have quests and rip it in the gorilla tag for hours every day.

Funny how there were people totally convinced VR was the future of gaming, and now it couldn't be more dead.

>>713659619 (OP)
>They hate CHANGE
Yes, hate change for the worse. None of those fucking things are new, and none of them are good.
Shit like the Satellaview and OnLive tried it decades ago, and people didn't like the needlessly expensive, terrible idea then. There is NO overcoming the technical hurdles of latency, cost, and a shitty picture being streamed to you. Not now, not a century from now. It doesn't matter if you're next door to the fucking remote game server on a yottabit connection, it's going to suck.

Epic is a dogshit digital storefront. Nothing more to say about the Fortnite launcher that is desperately trying to be a popular store without doing any work to make itself an appealing store.

VR has been tried for decades but it always run into the same issue of people not wanting a fucking screen on their face. Doesn't matter how good and cheap it becomes; the headset is a dealbreaker for 99% of people. Also doesn't help that there are zero good VR games, none go beyond being a glorified tech demo in a shooting range, and the normal games that got a VR mode are hilariously broken and unlikable.
The worst part of it is VR has a golden ticket literally IN YOUR HANDS, but the precise modern motion controllers we have today are shackled to the fucking stupid headset.

>>713659619 (OP)
What a retard. I used to like this dude you know

>>713659619 (OP)
I did it partly because I don't like it and don't think people should waste their time making things I don't like, and partly because I specifically dislike the people who were trying to make it happen.

>>713659619 (OP)
>They hate the Epic Store
Because it's just like any rival to Steam that pops up. Has the same games on Steam, but the launcher has less features and no reason to jump over. When you've built yourself into an ecosystem you need a lot more than 'change' and exclusives to jump ship.
>They hate Stadia
Cloud gaming has worked for other companies (Amazon, Sony, NVIDIA) but it's small. Stadia was just not good or ready for launch at all, and expecting people from across the world with shitty internet to stream a whole game is insane even now.
>They hate VR
I don't think VR is hated for the tech. I think if people played around with it they'd enjoy it, but the issue is the software. It's just all gallery shooters or puzzle games. Very few games are built from the ground up to be fun in VR and the ones that do are the ones you always hear talked about. Most of VR's users are literally just doing VRChat or playing a shooting range simulator.

>>713659619 (OP)
>wtf you hate the megacorpo slop and a failed gimmick?
>you are le behind the times

>>713659619 (OP)
>we need change for the sake of change
That's why the world is so garbage now.
Real evil mindset

I don't hate VR it's just not good enough to be worth the hardware or space investment yet
It's getting pretty close though. Once something like the bigscreen beyond is reasonably cheap and wireless I think it'll develop as a solid niche market. It's not going to outright replace monitors obviously but my controller and fightstick didn't replace my keyboard and mouse either.

>>713660281
This. I have never been more sick in my life than the sheer vertigo motion sickness I got from playing on the Oculus.

>>713659619 (OP)
People want high quality products and reject low quality products, that's the start and end of it. It's why people reject generative AI as well (inevitably we'll get some high quality products out of it though).

Epic Store needs to be better than Steam, Stadia (cloud gaming in general) can't work because of input lag which is hard limited by the speed of light, and VR is too inconvenient and vomit inducing.

hit the follow button bro you're gonna miss out on things to repost on /v/ bro...

>>713659619 (OP)
Google should have put all that money into getting Google Fiber instead of creating a console nobody asked for.
Also:
>David Jaffe
Former edgelords turned SJWs have no opinions worth listening to, and likely no souls as well.

>>713659619 (OP)
How playing video games makes you a tech savvy?

>>713661928
in the 90s and 2000s before videogames were a total normalfag hobby it probably meant you were a middle class kinda smart kid that knew how a computer worked and that was enough that every technology problem in the family was your responsibility
zoomers seem to be getting the opposite results so the correlation is less and less valid as time goes on, but the reputation is still around

>>713661928
most people dont realize they dont actually give a shit about their hobby and just like buying stuff

>>713659619 (OP)
>The customer is wrong!
lol

>>713661928
Dead meme from a time when children in school were given basic education in using computers by practicing shit like how to use the windows file system and basic shit like word and ms excel, trying to train them early in the new wageslave trend.
This created the illusion that they were somehow much more capable with this fancy new technology compared to their boomer parents

>>713659619 (OP)
Too expensive for too little

>>713659619 (OP)
can this guy CHANGE himself into a corpse already and spare us all his effeminate normalfag opinions?

>>713659619 (OP)
>y-you HAVE to use epic!!!!!
but steam is literally better?
>w-why arent you using vr?!?
because i dont feel like dropping $1k on meme tech?
>y-youre not a real gamer!!!
sure bro, whatever you say

>>713659619 (OP)
ban twitter nigger threads

>>713659619 (OP)
VR is the best thing to happen to sim racing ever since force feedback wheels.

>>713661928
In the distant past, you pretty much had to be tech savvy to do any serious quantity of PC gaming.
>get Ultima IX home
>spend several hours fiddling with it trying to get it to work
>be incredibly disappointed when it finally works

>>713659619 (OP)
>2019
>Stadia
lol

>>713659619 (OP)
>gamers confuse me
>they hate change
Okay so he's not actually confused then, he actually has it figured out.

>>713659619 (OP)
I dunno mate, maybe try making good VR games? A good Steam competitor? Maybe quit trying to rent games to us over shitty services?
Just a thought.

>>713659873
He seriously picked the one group still playing kids toys and accused them of...being kids who want to play with toys. It's like if I made fun of a dictionary for having a bunch of word definitions.

>>713659619 (OP)
We don't hate change, we hate bad change

I think VR has done pretty well for itself considering no matter how much it was promoted it was never going to be anything more than a neat niche peripheral for enthusiasts who want to play games a certain way, not unlike racing wheels or fighting decks or flight sticks.

>>713661174
Microsoft has kind of got streaming right with Game Pass. It's kind of funny that it's pivoting to being able to play the games you've bought outright, but the sub model for Game Pass does work. The only downside is that not all the games support streaming. If you have a Kishi or a Backbone, it's perfectly usable on a phone.
It's actually pretty decent, but I doubt it'll ever be mainstream.

>>713659619 (OP)
He forgot to mention AI. Gamers hate that too.

>>713663549
99% of my VR time is coupling it with those peripherals you mentioned, indeed.

>Fucking gamers man, why don't they like <Literal Garbage>??

what the hell am i supposd to play in VR
its all tech demos. 5+ years later all tech demos.
Facebook should have used those billions on actual GAMES.

>>713660208
Explain Switch 2 sales then.

>>713659619 (OP)
>epic
objectively worse than steam, I'll even take gog over it
>stadia
never used it myself, but I heard it had bad latency even with good internet speed
>vr
most vr games play like glorified tech demos, especially back then. not even hl: alyx was announced yet

>>713659619 (OP)
sounds comfy

>>713660678
The effects of that tweet are not being felt today, unlike slavery.

>gamers LIKE cereal for some fucked up reason!

Yeah it tastes good. Make good games retard

Nah man I love vr. All I play is koikatsu sunshine

>>713659619 (OP)
>Calld gamers tech savvy
>Cannot fathom that tech savviness is why they rejected those pieces of tech

>>713659619 (OP)
i own two VR headsets. i like VR. it's fun. not enough must-try experiences out there as there should be by now, though, so i'm not too proud of owning VR anymore.

How does VR motion sickness correlate to car/air/sea sickness? Like I don't ever recall being sick or dizzy on a car/plane/sea ride, only having a minor migraine when trying to take vids on rough waters one time so I wonder if I'd get shafted by it if I ever tried VR.

>>713659619 (OP)
Does anyone take Jaffe seriously? Why does he always talk like he's an authority on something?

>>713659956
Morane is actually pretty smart.

>>713659619 (OP)
this coming from a kike who wants to genocide white people and doom the world into eternal stone age

>do nothing
>tech fails
how is that my fault?

>>713664492
I've only ever been affected by one VR game and the feeling was a weird combination of a headache and this surging forward sensation

>>713659619 (OP)
David Jaffe is a fucking idiot who went insane because his kid trooned out.

>>713664646
He was a guest judge on The Tester, bro!

>>713659619 (OP)
i literally dream about going back in time and doing that yes

>>713659619 (OP)
>release expensive dogshit VR headsets
>very few games are made for it
>the only people supporting VR are a furry groomer sim and Facebook/Meta
>Valve has basically given up on VR like they do with everything
>VR games are held hostage by Steam/Meta/Sony marketplaces
>Meta again the only ones putting out affordable but still dogshit hardware at this point
>have been surviving off of beat saber by adding in more microtransactions than ever
>Playstation blew a fuckton of money to get PSVR2 out and it wasnt even back compatible for PSVR games.
>PS5 throws out 1 new VR game every year and its forgotten about
>when asked about VR most people dont like how it feels and also dont have the room needed to play major titles
>WHY DID VR FAIL? :(

i hate this mentality that VR was supposed to this revolutionary thing but before the tech could even mature it was monetized as hard as possible and destroyed. also yeah David Jaffe i would love to sit on my ass and play a single player game in my PJs and eating Trix, that sounds awesome

>>713659619 (OP)
>way worse version of steam
>way worse version of playing game on your own system
>strapping something to your face to play way worse versions of games

>>713659619 (OP)
>jaffe

>>713659619 (OP)
>they hate a cheap, cynical facsimile of Steam with nothing to offer except holding games for ransom
>they hate garbage technology that barely works ten miles from the servers and would only accelerate "you will own nothing, and be happy"
>they don't really hate VR, just thinks it's clunky and no one really takes advantage of it so it's not worth the install price. but that doesn't fit my "gamers r dum" narrative
fixed that for that guy

Vr porn is amazing, thoughbeit.

>>713659619 (OP)
heh, I guess I just don't know my own strength

>>713659619 (OP)
Makes sense for a cuck to be confused. They also get "confused" in presence of heterosexual content.

>>713659619 (OP)
>why don't gamers love insincere corpo gaymer products?
I hate jaffe, hope he dies of gonorrhea

>>713663378
>nora and todopokie
really wish todopokie had nudes or better, shes got such a hot body
>>713664979
this the same faggot who grilled and got one of the contestants kicked off cause he didnt agree with their method or some shit?

>>713659619 (OP)
VR is comfy for streaming games from PC & watching 3D movies.

>>713659619 (OP)
Twitter is so confusing
>GAMERS DONT LIKE X AND Y
>No real argument or conclusion
>I GUESS GAMERS WOULD RATHER PLAY SNES IN THEIR JAMMIES
like, what am I supposed to take away from this?

>>713665401
lol
lmao

>>713659619 (OP)
>she thinks the world went forward since the snes era ended
There are no good VR games, they're all retarded tech demos with hardly a shred of gameplay in most. The best of them is a fucking rhythm game.
>>713659838
Cool bro, I've been playing Shining Force

>>713665743
https://youtu.be/jYT263VCBTE?si=0RwejelnSTa7lKa-

>>713659619 (OP)
Metroid dread buck broke this man with one puzzle (destructible environment blocks) and since then he’s lost it completely.

>>713665680
>this the same faggot who grilled and got one of the contestants kicked off cause he didnt agree with their method or some shit?
Yeah. Arin got kicked off because he had a slight disagreement with David.

>>713659619 (OP)
I hate Epic because it makes my PC run hot as shit for some reason any time I run a game on it
I hate Stadia because I don't live in an area with fiber internet and I like having the game run on my own hardware
I do like VR though

VR was always gonna be gated by the price, the limits of the hardware, and straight up physical limits.
A lot of people physically cannot deal with VR well and get motion sick.
Nearly everyone feels something when falling, but some people can't even handle too much motion on a big screen without feeling it in the theatre.
Those people will never be able to experience VR properly.

>>713660791
And you ended up doing both anyway, what does that say about you as a person?

>>713666185
oh ok, I thought it was the girl with the glasses cause she couldnt understand another female contestant. if it was arin I dont really care for him anymore. Kind of ironic jontron turned out better than he did

>>713659619 (OP)
>you don't care for it? Then you must hate it reee

I don't care.

>>713665543
Is it? Who makes it? Is there really a market?

>>713659619 (OP)
i play vrchat all the time though. getting lapdances from big boob furries is great

>>713659873
I'd like to be a kid again for the sole purpose of fucking with people by randomly speaking Japanese and convincing my parents the Satanic chink cartoons ruined me.

change for the sake of change is dumb as shit
change should happen because it's better than the current thing
when they say change all I see is a way to change who receives my money for the same shit

>>713666096
He got fired from Keemstars Lolcow live because uhhhhh, I forget, I think he called Keemstars wife a whore or something or was obsessed with finding pics of her pussy, I cant remember. Either way its impressive

>>713659619 (OP)
>why won't these gamers eat dogshit?

>>713666350
>Kind of ironic jontron turned out better than he did
In retrospect, Arin's whole Schtick was being unlikable without much behind it, since before newgrounds. He was bound to go down once this kind of humor fell off, it's actually impressive he managed to ride his fame for so long.
Jontron is nicer and more genuine.

>>713659619 (OP)
VR's still too expensive for the good stuff. the tech needs to be cheaper to produce.

>>713659619 (OP)
>Epic store
>stadia
>vr
But epic and stadia suck

Vr is fun but half of gamers can't handle it and get motion sick and headaches. Hard to market that. Some mother fuckers can't handle a few steps in half life alyx much less whipping around in space dog fights like in no man's sky

>>713659619 (OP)
>troonapologist...

>>713659619 (OP)

I was thinking about buying a VR set, but on a second thought - isn't it just Half-Life:Alyx and Beat Saber console? Why would I pay hundreds of dollars for a piece of tech that plays just two games? I don't care about the walking simulators and the tech demos. I don't want this manifestation of the Antichrist.

>>713659873
I want to go back knowing what I know now. I'd try harder in school.

>>713666975
meant more along the lines of arin still having a fiance/girlfriend (not sure if its his wife yet) that mooches off of him and not having kids, meanwhile Jontron has a loving wife and a new child

>>713666980
Nah, the issue with VR is that if you're older than 14 it'll be completely alien to you and hard to adjust to without spending hours in it, and in the back of your head you'll be thinking
>Screens this close to my eyes won't give me cancer right?
>God, I keep hitting my fucking wall
>This body inventory sucks because I keep rubbing my mantits
Stuff like that. With kids, most of them play VR Chat or Among Us and adapt to it quickly and we'll probably see a VR renaissance when those kids either go into game development or get jobs and hold a niche for VR gaming.

But the real revolution will be hooking shit up to your nerves and just having your body shut down IRL and you get to fully immerse your senses in a game world, SAO style, which is definitely 50 or so years off. The reason why though is because that will be a general usage type thing rather than SOLELY for games, in an ideal world it'd be something like:
>alternative for medically assisted suicide
>that whole shit about serving 5000 years of prison sentences in two minutes
>e-dating a girl across the planet with the custom vibrating buttplug attachment
>the whole matrix / RPO shit people know is bad, but also really want
I think that will be the next, and last, great evolution. Far, far, far in the future.

>>713667213
I'd try less hard, and spend more time socialising and trying to get laid.

>>713659619 (OP)
>accusing other people of not being tech savvy while defending stadia

>>713659619 (OP)
VR failed because the most successful version of it is on limited as hell specs and every game is filled with pre-teens so it's ugly AND annoying.

The concept is sound, however, the only platform that took it seriously, pushed it hard, dropped serious cash in it, and released nice looking titles lost their fucking shirts (Sony). So it's dead tech like 3D is dead tech. It exists and is cheap as fuck to make a game for with limited graphics but there is zero demand.

Sure as fuck didn't help that the platform was flooded with waggle titles and wave shooters.

>>713667290
Nice to know that, I'm happy for the dude.
>>713667149
>isn't it just Half-Life:Alyx and Beat Saber console?
Yep, I liked playing Superhot but it had 0 replay value for such a short game. And you CAN listen to the beatsaber tracks without buying the game so half the reason to do so is gone.

>>713659619 (OP)
>Epic
I'll never not hate not owning physical copies of my games I paid for. I hated steam since its inception too, and always criticized those types of digital stores for the faggot pyramid scheme they stank like. Thank god for piracy and external drives.
>Stadia
If I hate paying to not own games imagine paying to not own the hardware they run on. It's the cuckiest most retarded practice you can think of, like leasing a car and not getting it after paying for it. Anyone who thinks streaming games is a step forward should die in a fire.
>VR
Name a passable game besides beat saber

>>713667213
I wouldn't try at all
I would drop out my Freshman year, get a job, and buy a bunch of Bitcoin when that shit was $5 a pop.
School, ESPECIALLY college is gigantic waste of time and money. Especially today when you can just download textbooks for free and take certification tests on your own dime.

>>713659619 (OP)
Holyshit I want some trix right now

>>713667373
lightweight and high refresh rate goggles will get that learning curve down and reduce motion sickness. which is why i think that tech just isn't there yet at least not for the common man. other necessary tech is also spiking in price which doesn't help either.

>>713667772
>Name a passable VR game besides Beat Saber
Arizona Sunshine
After the Fall
Demeo
Farpoint
Bloodstar Arena
Battlezone
Resident Evil 7 and 8
Skyrim
Until You Fall
Swarm

>>713659619 (OP)
As soon as I saw VR was going to be more waggling, I stopped caring about it. What I want is regular games in VR.

>>713659956
Fuck off, retard. It doesn't matter how comfortable and seamless your shovelware system is if there is nothing worth playing. You worthless cum guzzling faggot.

Jaffe? More like fagge I mean gaffe
Like gif vs jif

>>713659619 (OP)
To be fair I've yet to play a game with a story as beautiful and hopeful as Illusion of Gaia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsryAMeMZ_k

>>713660060
Only 34 seconds long and I'm already bored. VR is a fucking joke and flailing about with a faggoty headset on is the definition of a humiliation ritual.

>>713668019
They have them. You still didn't play them.

>>713659619 (OP)
>they hate the epic store, statia, VR
Has he tried listing good things that gamers rejected?

>>713659619 (OP)
>Epic store
Because Steam is better in every way except for free games
>Stadia
I had to check the date on this tweet lol
>VR
It's expensive and there are nogaems, it's pretty straightforward.

>>713666342
Holy projection, faggot face.

>>713659619 (OP)
>VR requires a large amount of investment to get in
>because of this the pool for games is relatively small and mostly tech demos because there is a comically low install base
>this in tune means less adopt it thus fueling a death spiral
Until VR can fix that problem it's dead.

>>713662763
Windows...file system...?

I'll buy VR when it's $100. I don't know what these people don't understand.

>>713664123
Can you blame him? Look at all the pokemon and gacha players.

>>713664228
If I could go back in time and make this the first response to his post, I would.

To this day I'm still not sure what Google was thinking with Stadia, like game streaming in the US where ISP's fucked to hell and back, amazed the project wasn't scraped in the concept phase.

>>713659619 (OP)
I can afford VR but I can't afford a bigger room so they should either figure out treadmill tech properly or just forget the idea

>>713664906
Can you imagine how heartbreaking that must be? To be the perfect father and still end up with a kid who chooses that lifestyle?

>>713659619 (OP)
shit man sorry next time i'll uh... stop waiting for something better? i'll be a good little consumer and buy the garbage, I'll grab that brand new video card for those ai generated frames and not using my card for ai because its not something i'm into, I'll make sure to buy the newest games as they come out for their most expensive price and slowly waste my money on bullshit that doesn't respect my time. Give me that mediocre experience, give me that social justice bullshit some journalist read and decided to advocate for because it goes lots of likes on twitter.
If you want money make a good product, gimmicks and fake messages do not earn money, they waste your time, money and goodwill.

>>713667802
no one said anything about traveling back in time

>>713664979
No that's Rich Evans

>>713668726
Maybe the plan was formulated when Google Fiber was alive.

>>713666715
>Is there really a market?
It's a way to view content so yes there is a market for porn on it

>>713659619 (OP)
>muh change
What is this, 2008? They need to get with the current year.

>>713667972
You forgot the GOAT. Walkabout Minigolf

>>713659619 (OP)
Who says gamers have to be forward thinking? VR failed because it’s too expensive, I don’t have 1000$ to drop on a leisure activity I occasionally enjoy

>>713660036
Don’t see how you could realistically choose anything but the sixth generation

>>713672463
how is it 2025 and this "it costs $1000" meme still around?

>>713668431
I don’t see it changing until today’s high end processors are much more affordable. Probably a separate unit that streams to the headset, 4090 tier, sub $1000. Then someone needs to dump billions into improving the screens, ergonomics, controls, and commissioning some strong launch titles. Someone who isn’t Zuckerberg, at least.

>>713659619 (OP)
Why yes, I do like playing SNES in my PJs while eating sugary cereal

>>713659838
Based taste bro

>>713659619 (OP)
VR is extremely capable just underutalized and too fucking fragmented. Companies really need to stop making shovelware games that are first person exclusively. My only playthrough of KH3 was done through UEVR with the world scaling turned down and it felt like being a child again playing games for the first time.

>>713659619 (OP)
It's not sophisticated enough to replace a monitor and it's not good enough to stand on it's own.

>>713674351
That’s true, it would be fun to zoom around in third person. Too much relies on standing and moving around too. Seated VR has a better chance

>>713672668
Because inside-out tracking is garbage, and headset + tracking stations would still cost you around $1k if not more.

>>713675127
Works fine enough for me so far. Alyx was great when I played it wirelessly on my quest 2.

>>713659619 (OP)
would you like me to change you to a corpse?
no?
well it sounds to me like you just dislike change.

maybe make a good game instead of dogshit and complaining people don't like the slop you are serving up

>>713659619 (OP)
I own a PSVR and a Quest 3s. I enjoy it and many of the games I've played, but it's really not for everyone. Some have weak genetics and get motion sick very easily, while others don't have any reason to jump into a purchase of hundreds of dollars. There needs to be more ways for people to try it before they'll be willing to buy it, and a real system seller. Meta trying to push their hokey ass metaverse (Or as many would call it, Temu VR chat with mobile tier games) and Google giving out those cardboard goggles for phones has done real reputational damage to the idea. I don't think it'll really take off till it has a real desired utility bundled with it to get normies on board (Like the PS2's dvd player or the Wii's wii sports).

>>713659619 (OP)
VR ruined itself. They looked at Wii, saw all the wagglan and said "we want that but again", instead of looking at it closer and realising that the only motion controls that actually worked on the system was sitting and holding it like a steering wheel.

>>713659619 (OP)
>epic
It sucks
>stadia
It sucks
>vr
No gaems

>>713659619 (OP)
Was he this much of a retard since the original God of War days? I only learned of his retardation through the Metroid Dread drama.

>>713659619 (OP)
>deliver shitty product
>confused about why people don't want shitty product
how these people keep jobs is mind boggling.

>>713675617
Also we have 30+ years of making control schemes for KB+M and controller and games still come out with dogshit UIs and controls. You can see from the Wii/Kinect/Move era where everyone was throwing shit at the wall when it comes to waggle controls and motion design and it turns out that 99% of those ideas sucked, and lo and behold most VR games also have shitty ideas there.

>>713672668
Everywhere I go, I see people saying you should get the Quest 3 instead of the S if you actually want a VR Headset, and that's 500 bucks.

>>713676825
even with that taken into account, $500 isn't $1000
and you can get a used Quest 2 for like $150, which I still have, and it works just fine for all my PCVR needs

>>713676920
>$500 isn't $1000
Don't forget about the battery strap, which is another 100 bucks. I used my brother's Quest 2, and the battery life was pitiful without it. That said, I don't know how the Quest 3's battery life is.

>why can't gamers just accept transhumanism?!@!!!

>>713677010
that's fair but it's still not $1000
the lower end of VR has its problems, but huge costs are not one of them
and if you want to get into an enthusiast area of any hobby, you're going to spend some money, regardless

>>713676825
3S is perfectly fine as an entry point, or the Quest 2 as the other Anon said. It's made to be accessible first and foremost.
>>713677010
It's about 2 hours of active use off of full charge.

>>713659619 (OP)
I just want good games. The platform it is on doesn't matter to me.

>Trix
The cereal or the yogurt

>>713677119
I don't know, I'm probably just gonna shell out for the Quest 3 if I'm gonna get a headset. Is there a decent way to use it just connected to your computer, rather than Virtual Desktop? I'm renting a place with internet already, and I can't move the router so connecting through Ethernet isn't really an option.

>>713677378
It can be connected by USB-C and AirLink, but from what I'm reading, those are a bit subpar compared to VD.

>>713677703
So if your internet situation is less than ideal, I guess you're just fucked, huh? I guess I can at least borrow my brother's Quest 2 tomorrow and just find out then and there if this is gonna be worth my time.

>>713678005
Hope you find it to be enjoyable anon. Have fun!

>>713678005
Virtual Desktop uses a dedicated router, but it doesn't care about your internet, anon. It doesn't leave your network, so having shit internet is fine as long as you have a solid connection between PC and headset.

>>713659619 (OP)
that guy is such a faggot.

>Epic Store
Motivated by seethe alone does not make a good product. You could say it's good for developers but we're talking about consumers POV anyway so it's moot
>VR
Doesn't hate it, but it just doesn't have that killer app. Rez sort of convinced me it has potential since it gives you that new, "non-physical" environment to play in and removed that disconnect between what your eyes are seeing and what your body is expecting. But I don't think anyone does something like that again since. It's all teleport to move around.
>Stadia
Online only shit is just retarded. Also
>Google
lmao even

>>713659619 (OP)
Why do leftoids think that change is always a good thing? stadia and epic game store are both complete garbage.

I buy all the new shit cause I'm a coomsumer. But it sits in my closet, unopened. I just like collecting, don't really like new games, they aren't fun.

>>713659619 (OP)
Everyone I know loves VR for the right games. Stadia sucked, Epic is only good for free games because steam and GOG are objectively superior and yes we do wish we were still in our PJs playing SNES and eating Trix. Stadia also failed BECAUSE we're tech savvy.

>>713659619 (OP)
I was thinking about this dumb faggot just a few days ago. Did he ever (at the time) finish his hilarious book?

>>713659619 (OP)
>Epic store
Chinese spyware and inferior to Steam in every way. The only upside to it was the one time I got Sonic Mania for free.
>Stadia
That shit was bound to fail due to latency and server issues. Streaming games is just ass and inferior to playing a game natively on a machine.
>VR
I don't "hate" VR as a concept, just execution. The only affordable vr headset is facebook's bullshit with it's shitty services and limited proprietary capabilities holding it back. Plus even if there was just a straight simple PCVR headset I will only get very niche use of it as I can probably count how many VR games I am willing to play on one hand.
>forward thinking
well if something fails to take off due to predictable reasons then it isn't very forward thinking now is it?
>seems they'd prefer it if they were still sitting in their PJ's, playing SNES, and eating Trix.
ironically I am wearing a bathrobe and just got done playing Wizardry Gaiden IV but I am partial to HoneyComb

>>713663378
we need to go back

The thing is like I feel in love with games as they were.

Some short fast paced challenging arcade stuff, some cinematic stuff on the PS2 like Silent Hill and Metal Gear solid.

Finished games, that you own. Like movies right. I don't know if games are art, but I certainly treated them as such. I had movies, I had games.

Pressing buttons, right. Pressing buttons and the game responding. That is the act of "gaming" to me.

Consider: What if games were something else?

Well, I wouldn't like it.

>>713659619 (OP)
There's no good vr headsets that don't involve faceberg.

>>713659619 (OP)
I WISH games still came out on the SNES

>>713659619 (OP)
I'm on my 2nd headset and still love it but they still only release techdemos and cashgrabs with very few exceptions.

>>713663346
>toys for kids
This take always annoys me, but watching television or streaming is an "adult" thing to do? Normalfags are retarded hypocrites.

>>713659619 (OP)
this the guy that got stuck in metroid dread?

Reasons I don't have vr
>too much effort
>i need glasses now how does that even work with vr cbf finding out
>no room
>can only use it half the year because of australia summer
>might make me sick
>never seen any games that make the cost seem worth it
>I'll have to upgrade my pc more often
>my monitor just werks
>too much effort
I genuinely don't see a single upside to vr

>>713659619 (OP)
>They hate Epic store
because Steam has been around and on top for so long that people are in too deep in to consider using another platform. Sunk cost fallacy. The only way they would would be if either Steam goes to shit overnight, or if another objectively better alternative comes around. Epic is not that. Epic is a much worse Steam. They were and still are lacking so many features that people just don't fucking bother.
>They hate Stadia
Streaming games is always going to be a contentious topic. The added input lag, the always online requirements, and being at the mercy of how good/shit your internet connection is is always going to put people off
>They hate VR
Do they?
I have a VR setup
I think it's alright
The problem is the barrier of entry is too high for what it is. People don't want to shell out money for a VR setup. Most people don't think it's worth it. And to be fair yeah, VR is cool for a while, but the novelty does wear off fast, and you're just left playing a janky game. To this day, the only actual game for VR is probably HL Alyx

I feel like this guy is a fucking retard
I feel like he's insinuating that the reason these alternatives failed is that people just rejected them out of principle because they HATE change. This is just trying to sweep the very real issues all of these alternatives have under the rug
>ACEEPT THE CHANGE
>CHANGE IS GOOD
Not necessarily
Change can very much be for the worst
And it is retarded to pretend otherwise
Fix the issues and then come back to me

>>713659619 (OP)
>/v/ argues with some random faggots tweet from 6 years ago
nice use of our time fellas

Every single day that David Jaffe opens his mouth, it makes me respect Cliff Blesizki just a bit more.

>>713681516
>random faggot
director of god of war and twister metal btw, not random but still a faggot

>>713659619 (OP)
well fuck you buddy!

>>713659619 (OP)
>Eating cereal
Lol white people shit

>>713659619 (OP)
>bought a vive in 2018
>bought index controllers on release
>literally zero games to play because devs make everything PSVR or Quest exclusive
>tell my friends on the fence about vr to not buy because there is no games
No, I did not make it fail.

>>713662935
That David Jaffe, the man who literally created God of War
Show some f***ing respect

>>713681378
My face in the middle

>>713682069
>Show some f***ing respect
He's a fucking retard, it doesn't what he created. He made Twisted Metal too, incredible game but he's still a fucking retard.

This is a staggering level of idiocy. It was because people could be forward thinking and tech savvy (though admittedly the latter is a smaller cadre of gamers given the industry has grown a fuckton with social media addicts and those who grew up a after gaming required being technically adept, especially on PC.) that they point out the moronic platforms listed here and other problems.

>Epic Store
The proprietary platform that didn't even launch with 1/100th of Steam's features, lied about keeping games cheaper, let Timmy go into histrionics about the store's cut on Steam that was the same on most other digital stores while other platforms, console, and retail all had larger ones, among myriad other types of hissy fits that nobody wants their bullshit. Even without going into Epic's other projects' issues like Easy AntiCheat and UE, the Store had a lot of issues but worst of all was BRINGING CONTRACT PLATFORM EXCLUSIVES TO PC WHERE THEY WERE ALMOST ABSENT! For all their whining about Steam being a meanie and a monopoly, they were the ones who brought the idea of throwing money at a dev to keep a game locked to their shitfuck platform or months or years and they earned by unending hate for it. Seems even the consoomer types did too as the vast majority of Epic exclusives failed and devs often broke the contract for future games because it didn't pay off and isolated their potential buyers; they would have made more selling on Steam and elsewhere from day 1; even megacorps like Ubi realized the flaw and that's saying something. Rot in hell you greedy fuckstain.

>Stadia
Oh wow, a cloud based gaming service where you had to subscribe or use an anemic free mode, PLUS acted as a separate platform instead of using your own games? YOu would buy games that existed only on some VM owned by the cloud? For no cheaper, this DRM on steroids? Yeah fuck off. Cloud gaming is fine, IF you have control of client and server and ideally FOSS.

>>713659619 (OP)
I've got a Quest 2 and a PSVR2 collecting dust because it's 90 percent shovelware with a decent game maybe once every 9-12 months. I want to support the fucking thing, and when something pops like RE4, Gran Turismo, or Switchback, it's fucking incredible, but it almost never happens.

They should be porting shit like House of the Dead or Burnout Paradise over.

>>713677010
You can easily buy a used quest 3 with a strap for super cheap.

>>713682758
Why do you think it's so easy?
Because the previous owner never used it kekw

They should have known VR is still for developers and tinkerers, aside from a few cool games there's really no reason for a normal gamer to use it.

That benefited me as I have a company backed device that I can develop for and it's one of my favorite things ever, but it's like 10 times more difficult than developing a normal game and runs into many more problems which make it very tedious and takes me months to even feel like looking at the project to see what went wrong.

>>713659619 (OP)
i don't mind epic. trix was never good. otherwise, yes.

>>713683369
Trix are alright, but they're mostly for kids

>>713659619 (OP)
I love VR but it is lacking in AAA games

What does epic games store, stadia, or vr actually ADD to make the games better?

>>713659619 (OP)
I would probably love vr if there were any shota ntr games out for it.

>>713659619 (OP)
>that video of david jaffe breaking down crying when ratchet and clank lost to metroid for best adventure game
what a fucking child

>>713659619 (OP)
I don't get how people can use VR goggles even weekly. There isn't even any killer app for them. I tried them once in a museum and it was awkward as fuck.

>>713682320
Him ragging on people for not being interested in Stadia is silly because most people already interested in more intensive games already have their options setup. If you want to play more in-depth games, you'd already have a PC or console. If you're more casual, usually the games you're interested in are lighter games that a phone or a mid range laptop can probably run. Or if you're looking to kill time on the go, you had the Switch (when Stadia was active)
The type of person that Stadia would be good for is someone who has access to high speed internet (or is willing to deal with a laggy experience), is interested in more intensive games, but doesn't own mainstream consoles or a PC, and doesn't want to play on the Switch. While I'm sure they exist, that's a pretty limited market.
Also Stadia had it's own library, you couldn't play your Steam games on it anyway, so you basically had to commit to it. At least fucking Geforce NOW let you play games you own on Steam/EGS or whatever.

>>713665401
>BTFO so hard people call it the jaffe room
KEKAROOOOO

>>713659619 (OP)
>Epic store
It's a bad store with no features

>Stadia
Latency issues out the ass not to mention Alphabet has a history of killing services it releases which they did with Stadia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6pf988yFSc
https://killedbygoogle.com/

>VR
Expensive buy in and lack of software support which has killed traditional platforms like the PS Vita

>>713674351
The obsession with first person games in VR is fucking retarded. If you've ever played gloomy eyes, there is a massive opportunity to make amazing 3rd person platformers where playing the game is like manipulating a living diorama.

>>713683515
8/8

>>713659619 (OP)
>gamers confuse me
>says the fag confused by metroid dread gameplay

I like VR and played it a lot for a couple months after getting a quest 2, but then I reverted back to playing normal games on my TV. I think this happens to lots of people.

>>713659619 (OP)
>Epic Store
Shit storefront with no QoL that tried to start a fucking platform exclusivity war on PC when one thing shared by PC gamers is disdain for console exclusivity wars. No shit gamers hated it and why its only real value rn is free shit.
>Stadia
Neat idea, borderline unusable in practice. Gamers are customers, not investors, why is it their responsibility to toss money in a burning pit?
>VR
Gamers don't hate VR as a whole, but it's expensive as shit, impractical in the vast majority of living spaces, and is most VR stuff is still just tech demos. Most people don't wanna drop 400 just for VR Chat and Beam Saber.

>>713659619 (OP)
Who are these "gamers" this nigger is talking about? A lot of people are on epic game, it's just that people prefer steam because it has more features & their entire game collection. A lot of people play VR too. Really it's just stadia people hated

how about make a good fucking game?
Half Life Alyx? Give me a fucking break, you can't even melee or interact with enemies beyond bang shooty. You can block a headcrab with a chair but that's really it.
Blade and Sorcery? I'm convinced the people who enjoy this are 300+lbs, the AI can't fight for shit.
Battle Talent? See above
Breachers? Fuck huge hitboxes and poor crouching/leaning mechanics as well as the game being 98% kids
Skyrim? LOL waggle waggle waggle
Boneworks? See Blade and Sorcery, but it's even worse.
Then you have ports that are essentially playing on a Wii with a curved 3d screen

>>713685905
>Inb4 some shit eating nigger brings up Into The Radius because I forgot to mention it.
Dogshit AI

>>713684206
Stadia was just a lot of bad ideas combined together which was disappointing because Google if anyone could have taken the time to do it right and it probably would thrive if they instead released some sort of open source protocol and modular platform for game streaming, and then sold subscriptions for access to their servers. Unfortunately, they did nearly everything the wrong way. GeForce Now had problems but as you said, you could use you existing games.

Cloud gaming is a decent idea if handled right but there are SO many potential fuckups that can leave it something that means megacorps (game publishers, platform owners/stores, infrastructure and hosting etc) get all the benefit where users are again shunted into something that's restrictive. Goodbye modding - its not YOUR system after all. Goodbye piracy, oh no we can't have that running on our cloud etc. etc. So its important for it to be done right. For a long time the vidya justification for it was held back by networking tech - that those who had high speed Internet capable of really making use of streaming games this way usually had ways to play on their own hardware etc. Since we've come into cheap (often mobile) platforms and the like, therewas the concern for awhile about a big push to move to this - in fact Denuvo was advertising basically a VM where the user connected to the game being hosted by the publisher or some third party and thereby had no way to crack, mod etc. Its a good thing that hasn;'t taken of for a variety of reasons...yet.

SteamPlay / Together (though I'd like to see it decoupled from Steam and FOSS like Proton, as well as integrated) and stuff like Moonlight (and more important Sunshine; until itsarrival it was predicated on GeForce Experience for the server part, even if the client was FOSS) are a good way to go by comparison, vs the waste of time Stadia became

>>713659619 (OP)
VR was okay for what it was but too expensive and too limited, Stadia was made by google an untrustworthy satanic conglomerate, Epic gamestore was made by Epic who make unreal and fortnite an untrustworthy satanic conglomerate.
playing snes in my pjs sound pretty nice actually.
Jaffe is retarded.

>>713659619 (OP)
>Epic Store
trash
>Stadia
Would never work due to monopolies, data caps and some countries power grid being shit and having brownouts
>VR
sold out to the biggest rats and is just the inchworm controlling the mantis
>shitting on the last three
he has absolute trash taste